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Date: 06 Dec 15:13:29
From: Teabagger
Subject: Correct Move on the bubble?
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STT 4 players left. I am the big stack with $6500 and on the button. Blinds
100/200. None of the other stacks has more than $2500. The table has been tight,
and I have been having a field day stealing blinds, raising unopposed on 3/4 of
my hands.
The small stack (1600) under the gun raises to 600. I have AKs, and call. My
thoughts were to use my position and conserve my stack. Since the UTG player has
been tight, I am thinking that he has a big pair, and wants callers since he
didn't push. (should I have moved in here?) The other alternative is that he is
trying to steal, and has a weak hand. The big blind raises all in for $2600. The
UTG player calls. The pot is at $5100. It will cost me $2000 to call here, so I
am getting 2.5-1 on my money. I figure that I probably have at least I figure
barring AA or KK I am at worst a 2-1 dog to win the hand, giving me marginal pot
odds.
UTG showed Q8 suited (bad call on the reraise), and the BB showed TT.
I made a bad read on the UTG player, but my thinking here is that I am up
against at least 1 pair, quite possibly 2, and possibly a hand like AQ. My
thoughts are 2 hands like JJ/88 or TT/AQ. Given those hand ranges, I am at worst
33% here.
Pros for calling: Pot odds and the ability to take out 2 opponents and just
about guarantee the tournament.
Pros for folding: Maintaining the big stack. If i fold, I will still be the chip
leader, and I feel that I can have my way with the table. The fact that one of
the players will wind up with over 4000 chips on this hand may change the
dynamic.
If one of these guys is holding AA or KK, or AK, I am in trouble. The problem
is, If I lose, I am no longer the big stack, and given the passivity of the
table, getting my money in here might not be the best strategy.
BTW, I called and rivered the straight, and won the tournament. In retrospect, I
am having 2nd thoughts about the decision
Thoughts?
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Date: 06 Dec 17:04:36
From: steve1127
Subject: Re: Correct Move on the bubble?
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On Dec 6 2006 10:13 AM, Teabagger wrote:
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> STT 4 players left. I am the big stack with $6500 and on the button. Blinds
> 100/200. None of the other stacks has more than $2500. The table has been
> tight,
> and I have been having a field day stealing blinds, raising unopposed on 3/4
> of
> my hands.
>
> The small stack (1600) under the gun raises to 600. I have AKs, and call. My
> thoughts were to use my position and conserve my stack. Since the UTG player
> has
> been tight, I am thinking that he has a big pair, and wants callers since he
> didn't push. (should I have moved in here?)
Yes, you should have moved in here, or at least raised. Small stack raising
with 4 left certainly does not figure to have AA or KK most of the time, and if
he has an under pair, you should be thrilled to coin flip with him here to get a
monster stack and be in the money.
The other alternative is that he
> is
> trying to steal, and has a weak hand. The big blind raises all in for $2600.
> The
> UTG player calls. The pot is at $5100. It will cost me $2000 to call here, so
> I
> am getting 2.5-1 on my money. I figure that I probably have at least I figure
> barring AA or KK I am at worst a 2-1 dog to win the hand, giving me marginal
> pot
> odds.
Easy call to try to knock out two players, although I really hate your smooth
call in the first place. If you raise, and the bb reraises, you have an
academic call.
>
> UTG showed Q8 suited (bad call on the reraise),
Possibly...I guess in SNG structure, the most important consideration is to get
into the money, so if he figures you'll call, folding is good here. From a pot
odds perspective, calling is definitely the right move. I'm not sure what the
right play is here. Actually, yeah, the right play is to fold preflop or jam
with this hand. I probably call if I'm in his shoes now though.
and the BB showed TT.
>
> I made a bad read on the UTG player, but my thinking here is that I am up
> against at least 1 pair, quite possibly 2, and possibly a hand like AQ. My
> thoughts are 2 hands like JJ/88 or TT/AQ. Given those hand ranges, I am at
> worst
> 33% here.
You're overvaluing their hands. 4-handed, you'll begin to see a lot of motley
hands. BB has a hand, but AQ is certainly possible. UTG doesn't have to have
much.
>
> Pros for calling: Pot odds and the ability to take out 2 opponents and just
> about guarantee the tournament.
>
> Pros for folding: Maintaining the big stack. If i fold, I will still be the
> chip
> leader, and I feel that I can have my way with the table. The fact that one of
> the players will wind up with over 4000 chips on this hand may change the
> dynamic.
>
> If one of these guys is holding AA or KK, or AK, I am in trouble. The problem
> is, If I lose, I am no longer the big stack, and given the passivity of the
> table, getting my money in here might not be the best strategy.
>
> BTW, I called and rivered the straight, and won the tournament. In retrospect,
> I
> am having 2nd thoughts about the decision
>
> Thoughts?
>
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 08:27:16
From: MysteriAce
Subject: Re: Correct Move on the bubble?
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On Dec 6 2006 8:13 AM, Teabagger wrote:
> STT 4 players left. I am the big stack with $6500 and on the button. Blinds
> 100/200. None of the other stacks has more than $2500. The table has been
tight,
> and I have been having a field day stealing blinds, raising unopposed on 3/4
of
> my hands.
>
> The small stack (1600) under the gun raises to 600. I have AKs, and call. My
> thoughts were to use my position and conserve my stack. Since the UTG player
has
> been tight, I am thinking that he has a big pair, and wants callers since he
> didn't push. (should I have moved in here?)
I would have just moved in here. If everyone has about 2500 to start the
hand but you have 6500, the worst case scenario, no matter what happens
behind you, is that you end up with 4000 chips, which is plenty at this
stage. You probably have the best hand, 4 handed, and even if you don't
you are really only in terrible shape against AA.
As the big stack, I think this is a spot you should welcome the
opportunity to get all their money in against your hand. If you win the
hand, you have almost twice as much as the other two players combined, and
even if you lose it you are in excellent shape (you can't end up worse
than 2nd in chips if you lose).
> The other alternative is that he is
> trying to steal, and has a weak hand. The big blind raises all in for $2600.
The
> UTG player calls. The pot is at $5100. It will cost me $2000 to call here,
so I
> am getting 2.5-1 on my money. I figure that I probably have at least I figure
> barring AA or KK I am at worst a 2-1 dog to win the hand, giving me marginal
pot
> odds.
And if you are against TT and JJ, you are about 45% to win with a huge
overlay.
>
> UTG showed Q8 suited (bad call on the reraise), and the BB showed TT.
>
> I made a bad read on the UTG player, but my thinking here is that I am up
> against at least 1 pair, quite possibly 2, and possibly a hand like AQ. My
> thoughts are 2 hands like JJ/88 or TT/AQ. Given those hand ranges, I am at
worst
> 33% here.
>
> Pros for calling: Pot odds and the ability to take out 2 opponents and just
> about guarantee the tournament.
>
> Pros for folding: Maintaining the big stack. If i fold, I will still be the
chip
> leader, and I feel that I can have my way with the table. The fact that one
of
> the players will wind up with over 4000 chips on this hand may change the
> dynamic.
>
> If one of these guys is holding AA or KK, or AK, I am in trouble. The problem
> is, If I lose, I am no longer the big stack, and given the passivity of the
> table, getting my money in here might not be the best strategy.
>
> BTW, I called and rivered the straight, and won the tournament. In
retrospect, I
> am having 2nd thoughts about the decision
>
> Thoughts?
~ MysteriAce
"Ashes and diamonds
Foe and friend
We were all equal in the end"
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 08:20:14
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Correct Move on the bubble?
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> The small stack (1600) under the gun raises to 600. I have AKs, and call.
I jam here unless I have a very specific read that he has AA or KK, in
which case I fold. I expect to have that read approximately .00000000001%
of the time.
Morphy
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Date: 06 Dec 15:26:40
From: nkks0808
Subject: Re: Correct Move on the bubble?
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single table tournies are like horse races....once the blinds get big, you blink
and they are done.
4 handed....you have to feel good about moving with AK. I would have all ined
the 1st bettor. you have the chips, you have to make moves to knock people out
with premium hands.
the other guy would have called you with 1010 still likely, but small stacks in
tournies make bad decisions trying to make things happen.
i've moved in with about any hand under the sun in STT trying to make a move on
pots and such.
i would have jumped the first guy for all in, and let them make the hard
decisions
On Dec 6 2006 9:13 AM, Teabagger wrote:
>
> STT 4 players left. I am the big stack with $6500 and on the button. Blinds
> 100/200. None of the other stacks has more than $2500. The table has been
> tight,
> and I have been having a field day stealing blinds, raising unopposed on 3/4
> of
> my hands.
>
> The small stack (1600) under the gun raises to 600. I have AKs, and call. My
> thoughts were to use my position and conserve my stack. Since the UTG player
> has
> been tight, I am thinking that he has a big pair, and wants callers since he
> didn't push. (should I have moved in here?) The other alternative is that he
> is
> trying to steal, and has a weak hand. The big blind raises all in for $2600.
> The
> UTG player calls. The pot is at $5100. It will cost me $2000 to call here, so
> I
> am getting 2.5-1 on my money. I figure that I probably have at least I figure
> barring AA or KK I am at worst a 2-1 dog to win the hand, giving me marginal
> pot
> odds.
>
> UTG showed Q8 suited (bad call on the reraise), and the BB showed TT.
>
> I made a bad read on the UTG player, but my thinking here is that I am up
> against at least 1 pair, quite possibly 2, and possibly a hand like AQ. My
> thoughts are 2 hands like JJ/88 or TT/AQ. Given those hand ranges, I am at
> worst
> 33% here.
>
> Pros for calling: Pot odds and the ability to take out 2 opponents and just
> about guarantee the tournament.
>
> Pros for folding: Maintaining the big stack. If i fold, I will still be the
> chip
> leader, and I feel that I can have my way with the table. The fact that one of
> the players will wind up with over 4000 chips on this hand may change the
> dynamic.
>
> If one of these guys is holding AA or KK, or AK, I am in trouble. The problem
> is, If I lose, I am no longer the big stack, and given the passivity of the
> table, getting my money in here might not be the best strategy.
>
> BTW, I called and rivered the straight, and won the tournament. In retrospect,
> I
> am having 2nd thoughts about the decision
>
> Thoughts?
>
Niki :P
www.nikitispoker.com
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 08:21:08
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Correct Move on the bubble?
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> the other guy would have called you with 1010 still likely, but small stacks
in
> tournies make bad decisions trying to make things happen.
Actually you'd be surprised how many people fold TT here on the bubble, if
they think folding will guarantee them a cash.
Morphy
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