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Date: 04 Dec 17:29:28
From: Teabagger
Subject: Call here?
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I am playing the big stack in a MTT tournament. Currently in 2nd place with
T6500. Blinds 100/200
I have been stealing blinds like mad, raising with any 2 from LP. I open from
the cutoff with 86s for 600. The BB moves in for 1200. It's $600 to call. The
way I see it, the pot is giving me 3-1 if I call. If I'm up against 2 over
cards, I'm giving 3:2, if an over pair, I'm giving 4:1.
If I average the 2, it comes out to about to about 2.75:1. Seems like a call
based on the odds. I will, however, be showing a very weak raising hand,
inviting more action in the future. On the other hand, I am sending a message
that if a short stack moves in, it's for all of his chips. Anyway, I called, he
had AQ, and I won the pot with a pair of 8s.
Comments?
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 10:47:36
From: CincinnatiKid
Subject: Re: Call here?
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On Dec 4 2006 12:29 PM, Teabagger wrote:
> I am playing the big stack in a MTT tournament. Currently in 2nd place with
> T6500. Blinds 100/200
>
> I have been stealing blinds like mad, raising with any 2 from LP. I open from
> the cutoff with 86s for 600. The BB moves in for 1200. It's $600 to call. The
> way I see it, the pot is giving me 3-1 if I call. If I'm up against 2 over
> cards, I'm giving 3:2, if an over pair, I'm giving 4:1.
>
> If I average the 2, it comes out to about to about 2.75:1. Seems like a call
> based on the odds. I will, however, be showing a very weak raising hand,
> inviting more action in the future. On the other hand, I am sending a message
> that if a short stack moves in, it's for all of his chips. Anyway, I called,
he
> had AQ, and I won the pot with a pair of 8s.
>
> Comments?
Instacall. No thought required here.
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 10:52:16
From: MysteriAce
Subject: Re: Call here?
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On Dec 4 2006 11:47 AM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
> On Dec 4 2006 12:29 PM, Teabagger wrote:
>
> > I am playing the big stack in a MTT tournament. Currently in 2nd place with
> > T6500. Blinds 100/200
> >
> > I have been stealing blinds like mad, raising with any 2 from LP. I open
from
> > the cutoff with 86s for 600. The BB moves in for 1200. It's $600 to call.
The
> > way I see it, the pot is giving me 3-1 if I call. If I'm up against 2 over
> > cards, I'm giving 3:2, if an over pair, I'm giving 4:1.
> >
> > If I average the 2, it comes out to about to about 2.75:1. Seems like a
call
> > based on the odds. I will, however, be showing a very weak raising hand,
> > inviting more action in the future. On the other hand, I am sending a
message
> > that if a short stack moves in, it's for all of his chips. Anyway, I
called,
> he
> > had AQ, and I won the pot with a pair of 8s.
> >
> > Comments?
>
> Instacall. No thought required here.
What's up kid? Nice to see you around.
~ MysteriAce
"Ashes and diamonds
Foe and friend
We were all equal in the end"
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 11:05:18
From: CincinnatiKid
Subject: Re: Call here?
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On Dec 4 2006 1:52 PM, MysteriAce wrote:
> On Dec 4 2006 11:47 AM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
>
> > On Dec 4 2006 12:29 PM, Teabagger wrote:
> >
> > > I am playing the big stack in a MTT tournament. Currently in 2nd place
with
> > > T6500. Blinds 100/200
> > >
> > > I have been stealing blinds like mad, raising with any 2 from LP. I open
> from
> > > the cutoff with 86s for 600. The BB moves in for 1200. It's $600 to call.
> The
> > > way I see it, the pot is giving me 3-1 if I call. If I'm up against 2
over
> > > cards, I'm giving 3:2, if an over pair, I'm giving 4:1.
> > >
> > > If I average the 2, it comes out to about to about 2.75:1. Seems like a
> call
> > > based on the odds. I will, however, be showing a very weak raising hand,
> > > inviting more action in the future. On the other hand, I am sending a
> message
> > > that if a short stack moves in, it's for all of his chips. Anyway, I
> called,
> > he
> > > had AQ, and I won the pot with a pair of 8s.
> > >
> > > Comments?
> >
> > Instacall. No thought required here.
>
> What's up kid? Nice to see you around.
>
> ~ MysteriAce
Not much. Just visitin with my son. Started playin poker again at my club.
took the 1/3 NL game for $700 2 nights ago and the 20/40 HE game for $1200
last night. I'm gonna buy a notebook computer today and get my internet
hooked up at my apartment. so, I'll be on regularly again real soon.
> "Ashes and diamonds
> Foe and friend
> We were all equal in the end"
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Date: 04 Dec 17:46:04
From: steve1127
Subject: Re: Call here?
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I call here. But I don't raise in the first place. Personally, I don't like
stealing the blinds until the antes start. As big stack, I'd play lots of
hands, but I don't need the T300 chips. I'd rather try to play postflop.
On Dec 4 2006 12:29 PM, Teabagger wrote:
>
> I am playing the big stack in a MTT tournament. Currently in 2nd place with
> T6500. Blinds 100/200
>
> I have been stealing blinds like mad, raising with any 2 from LP. I open from
> the cutoff with 86s for 600. The BB moves in for 1200. It's $600 to call. The
> way I see it, the pot is giving me 3-1 if I call. If I'm up against 2 over
> cards, I'm giving 3:2, if an over pair, I'm giving 4:1.
>
> If I average the 2, it comes out to about to about 2.75:1. Seems like a call
> based on the odds. I will, however, be showing a very weak raising hand,
> inviting more action in the future. On the other hand, I am sending a message
> that if a short stack moves in, it's for all of his chips. Anyway, I called,
> he
> had AQ, and I won the pot with a pair of 8s.
>
> Comments?
>
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 09:37:21
From: David Nicoson
Subject: Re: Call here?
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Teabagger wrote:
> Comments?
It's a good call.
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 13:51:12
From: xyious
Subject: Re: Call here?
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On Dec 4 2006 6:29 PM, Teabagger wrote:
> I am playing the big stack in a MTT tournament. Currently in 2nd place with
> T6500. Blinds 100/200
>
> I have been stealing blinds like mad, raising with any 2 from LP. I open from
> the cutoff with 86s for 600. The BB moves in for 1200. It's $600 to call. The
> way I see it, the pot is giving me 3-1 if I call. If I'm up against 2 over
> cards, I'm giving 3:2, if an over pair, I'm giving 4:1.
>
> If I average the 2, it comes out to about to about 2.75:1. Seems like a call
> based on the odds. I will, however, be showing a very weak raising hand,
> inviting more action in the future. On the other hand, I am sending a message
> that if a short stack moves in, it's for all of his chips.
i like people to know that i call all ins. i like to be known as a calling
station. that way i can just fold when people come with big bets.
> Anyway, I called, he
> had AQ, and I won the pot with a pair of 8s.
>
> Comments?
-Alexander Knopf
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 14:02:23
From: MysteriAce
Subject: Re: Call here?
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On Dec 4 2006 2:51 PM, xyious wrote:
> On Dec 4 2006 6:29 PM, Teabagger wrote:
> > I am playing the big stack in a MTT tournament. Currently in 2nd place with
> > T6500. Blinds 100/200
> >
> > I have been stealing blinds like mad, raising with any 2 from LP. I open
from
> > the cutoff with 86s for 600. The BB moves in for 1200. It's $600 to call.
The
> > way I see it, the pot is giving me 3-1 if I call. If I'm up against 2 over
> > cards, I'm giving 3:2, if an over pair, I'm giving 4:1.
> >
> > If I average the 2, it comes out to about to about 2.75:1. Seems like a
call
> > based on the odds. I will, however, be showing a very weak raising hand,
> > inviting more action in the future. On the other hand, I am sending a
message
> > that if a short stack moves in, it's for all of his chips.
>
> i like people to know that i call all ins. i like to be known as a calling
> station. that way i can just fold when people come with big bets.
My cat's breath smells like cat food.
> > Anyway, I called, he
> > had AQ, and I won the pot with a pair of 8s.
> >
> > Comments?
>
>
> -Alexander Knopf
> http://www.xyious.com/?links
~ MysteriAce
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Foe and friend
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 13:17:13
From: Old Wolf
Subject: Re: Call here?
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Teabagger wrote:
> I am playing the big stack in a MTT tournament. Currently in 2nd place with
> T6500. Blinds 100/200
>
> I have been stealing blinds like mad, raising with any 2 from LP. I open from
> the cutoff with 86s for 600. The BB moves in for 1200. It's $600 to call. The
> way I see it, the pot is giving me 3-1 if I call. If I'm up against 2 over
> cards, I'm giving 3:2, if an over pair, I'm giving 4:1.
>
> If I average the 2, it comes out to about to about 2.75:1. Seems like a call
> based on the odds. I will, however, be showing a very weak raising hand,
> inviting more action in the future.
If you have been stealing like mad, the observant people
will already have deduced that you are doing it with trash.
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 12:10:46
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: Call here?
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"Teabagger" <43078607@recpoker.com > wrote in message
news:1165253368$916104@recpoker.com...
>
> I am playing the big stack in a MTT tournament. Currently in 2nd place
> with
> T6500. Blinds 100/200
>
> I have been stealing blinds like mad, raising with any 2 from LP. I open
> from
> the cutoff with 86s for 600. The BB moves in for 1200. It's $600 to call.
> The
> way I see it, the pot is giving me 3-1 if I call. If I'm up against 2 over
> cards, I'm giving 3:2, if an over pair, I'm giving 4:1.
>
> If I average the 2, it comes out to about to about 2.75:1. Seems like a
> call
> based on the odds. I will, however, be showing a very weak raising hand,
> inviting more action in the future. On the other hand, I am sending a
> message
> that if a short stack moves in, it's for all of his chips. Anyway, I
> called, he
> had AQ, and I won the pot with a pair of 8s.
>
> Comments?
My only thought here is that unless there are antes in the pot, I'd like to
use a much stronger "steal hand". Stealing the blinds is an important tool,
but when you showed down the 86s, I'm sure that raised a lot of eyebrows and
may have hurt your image later in the tourney *IF* (and that's a big if on
purpose) the other players are really paying attention.
Rick "DaVoice" Charles
Who actually stole the blinds with a 72o and showed it in the RGP tourney
last night :)
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Date: 05 Dec 11:06:52
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: Call here?
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On Dec 4 2006 5:29 PM, Teabagger wrote:
>
> I am playing the big stack in a MTT tournament. Currently in 2nd place with
> T6500. Blinds 100/200
>
> I have been stealing blinds like mad, raising with any 2 from LP. I open from
> the cutoff with 86s for 600. The BB moves in for 1200. It's $600 to call. The
> way I see it, the pot is giving me 3-1 if I call. If I'm up against 2 over
> cards, I'm giving 3:2, if an over pair, I'm giving 4:1.
>
> If I average the 2, it comes out to about to about 2.75:1. Seems like a call
> based on the odds. I will, however, be showing a very weak raising hand,
> inviting more action in the future. On the other hand, I am sending a message
> that if a short stack moves in, it's for all of his chips. Anyway, I called,
> he
> had AQ, and I won the pot with a pair of 8s.
>
> Comments?
>
Autocall.
You shouldn't be too worried about being seen raising with trash hands, you are
going to have the same problem if you fold, in that they see they can push you
off a hand even though you are getting great odds.
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 02:01:38
From: Joe Schmo
Subject: Re: Call here?
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Whenever ou try to make a move like that with a hand like that you open
yourself up. You invite people to attack you. In your hand you had to
put almost 1/5 of you stack in preflop with a pretty bad hand. After
your 600 got raised you had to call. You can get lucky playing like
this often, but when the luck runs out you go broke fast.
This play isnt a bad one, just dont overuse it. 86 suited is a deceptive
hand when it hits, but if everyone sees you as someone who is playing
this type of hand often then that deception advantatge you have is gone.
When a tight player plays this kind of hand he has a better chance to
break someone if he hits. Nobody expects a tight player to play a hand
like 86. They might have a hard time putting him on the straight or 2
pair that he flopped.
When an animal plays 86 its not a suprise. Even when he does hit the
flop people might suspect the animal of playing junk cards and not pay
you off. Playing these hands should be one weapon you use when the
situation is right. It should not be your go to move, your baseline
strategy, or anything like that.
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Date: 06 Dec
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: Call here?
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I think the question is whether is muck or call AFTER making such a play, when
getting good odds...
But to your points, I would agree that in a cash game, only raised with creative
hands on the odd occasion...however, in a tourney situation, I'd be tempted to
do that more often if I am the big stack, especially near the bubble
On Dec 6 2006 7:01 AM, Joe Schmo wrote:
> Whenever ou try to make a move like that with a hand like that you open
> yourself up. You invite people to attack you. In your hand you had to
> put almost 1/5 of you stack in preflop with a pretty bad hand. After
> your 600 got raised you had to call. You can get lucky playing like
> this often, but when the luck runs out you go broke fast.
>
> This play isnt a bad one, just dont overuse it. 86 suited is a deceptive
> hand when it hits, but if everyone sees you as someone who is playing
> this type of hand often then that deception advantatge you have is gone.
> When a tight player plays this kind of hand he has a better chance to
> break someone if he hits. Nobody expects a tight player to play a hand
> like 86. They might have a hard time putting him on the straight or 2
> pair that he flopped.
>
> When an animal plays 86 its not a suprise. Even when he does hit the
> flop people might suspect the animal of playing junk cards and not pay
> you off. Playing these hands should be one weapon you use when the
> situation is right. It should not be your go to move, your baseline
> strategy, or anything like that.
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