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Date: 13 Dec 2006 13:33:03
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Applying Rule of 7 to my game
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This question is for anyone including Russ that understands Russ' Rule of
7. I've been doing a lot of soul searching in my poker game lately. I'm
trying to go beyond the standard rules of thought and want to try new
techniques and plays with my poker game.
My latest situation is trying to apply the Rule of 7 to NL holdem cash
game strategy. I have my own thoughts on this, but for the purpose of
discussion, what are your thoughts on applying the Rule of 7 to NLHE?
Along the same lines, I've been playing PLHE more lately with the addition
of HA games on FullTilt (PLHE/PLO changing every 10 hands). What
adjustments do I need to make with the Rule of 7 strategy to PLHE vs.
NLHE?
Morphy
http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 19:23:05
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Applying Rule of 7 to my game
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XaQ Morphy wrote:
> This question is for anyone including Russ that understands Russ' Rule of
> 7. I've been doing a lot of soul searching in my poker game lately. I'm
> trying to go beyond the standard rules of thought and want to try new
> techniques and plays with my poker game.
>
> My latest situation is trying to apply the Rule of 7 to NL holdem cash
> game strategy. I have my own thoughts on this, but for the purpose of
> discussion, what are your thoughts on applying the Rule of 7 to NLHE?
> Along the same lines, I've been playing PLHE more lately with the addition
> of HA games on FullTilt (PLHE/PLO changing every 10 hands). What
> adjustments do I need to make with the Rule of 7 strategy to PLHE vs.
> NLHE?
The RULE or Theory of 7 can only be used in limit games that have NL on
heads-up betting.
Russ Georgiev
www.pokermafia.com
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> Morphy
> http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com
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Date: 13 Dec 22:49:25
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: Applying Rule of 7 to my game
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On Dec 13 2006 9:33 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> This question is for anyone including Russ that understands Russ' Rule of
> 7. I've been doing a lot of soul searching in my poker game lately. I'm
> trying to go beyond the standard rules of thought and want to try new
> techniques and plays with my poker game.
>
> My latest situation is trying to apply the Rule of 7 to NL holdem cash
> game strategy. I have my own thoughts on this, but for the purpose of
> discussion, what are your thoughts on applying the Rule of 7 to NLHE?
> Along the same lines, I've been playing PLHE more lately with the addition
> of HA games on FullTilt (PLHE/PLO changing every 10 hands). What
> adjustments do I need to make with the Rule of 7 strategy to PLHE vs.
> NLHE?
>
> Morphy
> http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com/
Online or live? I wouldn't really recommend it for live games unless you are
kitted out in a suit of armour. All those min raises? Someone, though probably
not your opponent who is silly enough to go along with lark, but more
likely other players on the table, will be hurrying you along with a base-ball
bat at least.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 15:29:46
From: Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
Subject: Re: Applying Rule of 7 to my game
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On Dec 13 2006 2:49 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
> On Dec 13 2006 9:33 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
> > This question is for anyone including Russ that understands Russ' Rule of
> > 7. I've been doing a lot of soul searching in my poker game lately. I'm
> > trying to go beyond the standard rules of thought and want to try new
> > techniques and plays with my poker game.
> >
> > My latest situation is trying to apply the Rule of 7 to NL holdem cash
> > game strategy. I have my own thoughts on this, but for the purpose of
> > discussion, what are your thoughts on applying the Rule of 7 to NLHE?
> > Along the same lines, I've been playing PLHE more lately with the addition
> > of HA games on FullTilt (PLHE/PLO changing every 10 hands). What
> > adjustments do I need to make with the Rule of 7 strategy to PLHE vs.
> > NLHE?
> >
> > Morphy
> > http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com/
>
> Online or live? I wouldn't really recommend it for live games unless you are
> kitted out in a suit of armour. All those min raises? Someone, though
probably
> not your opponent who is silly enough to go along with lark, but more
> likely other players on the table, will be hurrying you along with a
base-ball
> bat at least.
That's interesting that you thought of "min raise". I immediately thought
that if people are betting correctly in PL or NL HE the rule of 7 will be
moot. I can't imagine of a situation where you don't get all in after the
3rd, or at very least the 4th, raise. Example, Blinds 10/20, I raise UTG
with AA to 80, you reraise with KK to 250, I re-reraise with AA to 1000.
That's the third raise. Where are you going with the 4th one? I'd be
all-in (tourney or cash). The rule of 7 (I think) is supposed to
guarantee you get position for the expensive rounds in LHE by putting in
extra bets on the cheaper rounds.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 15:52:50
From: MysteriAce
Subject: Re: Applying Rule of 7 to my game
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On Dec 13 2006 4:29 PM, Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster wrote:
> On Dec 13 2006 2:49 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
>
> > On Dec 13 2006 9:33 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> >
> > > This question is for anyone including Russ that understands Russ' Rule of
> > > 7. I've been doing a lot of soul searching in my poker game lately. I'm
> > > trying to go beyond the standard rules of thought and want to try new
> > > techniques and plays with my poker game.
> > >
> > > My latest situation is trying to apply the Rule of 7 to NL holdem cash
> > > game strategy. I have my own thoughts on this, but for the purpose of
> > > discussion, what are your thoughts on applying the Rule of 7 to NLHE?
> > > Along the same lines, I've been playing PLHE more lately with the
addition
> > > of HA games on FullTilt (PLHE/PLO changing every 10 hands). What
> > > adjustments do I need to make with the Rule of 7 strategy to PLHE vs.
> > > NLHE?
> > >
> > > Morphy
> > > http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com/
> >
> > Online or live? I wouldn't really recommend it for live games unless you
are
> > kitted out in a suit of armour. All those min raises? Someone, though
> probably
> > not your opponent who is silly enough to go along with lark, but more
> > likely other players on the table, will be hurrying you along with a
> base-ball
> > bat at least.
>
> That's interesting that you thought of "min raise". I immediately thought
> that if people are betting correctly in PL or NL HE the rule of 7 will be
> moot. I can't imagine of a situation where you don't get all in after the
> 3rd, or at very least the 4th, raise. Example, Blinds 10/20, I raise UTG
> with AA to 80, you reraise with KK to 250, I re-reraise with AA to 1000.
> That's the third raise. Where are you going with the 4th one? I'd be
> all-in (tourney or cash). The rule of 7 (I think) is supposed to
> guarantee you get position for the expensive rounds in LHE by putting in
> extra bets on the cheaper rounds.
>
See, you see, do you see ... ?
You have to use this in unlimited buy in games, where there's a lot of
money on the table. For example, 10/20 blinds NLHE, each of you has 1.5
million on the table.
Example from the Commerce Casino:
Player A: Raises to 80 preflop
Player B, who has been 3-betting player A every time he comes into a pot,
puts in the third bet, making it 240 to go.
Folds back to Player A, who calls the additional 160.
A's hand contained QhJh. B's hand contained 5, 5.
Flop comes out Kh, 9h, 5h.
A checked. B bets $300. A checkraises to $900. B reraises to $2700. A
reraises to $8000. B reraises to $24000. A reraises to $75000. B
reraises to $225,000. A just calls. Rule of 7. Gotta slow down the
action with that bottom set!
The turn is a 5! Badda bing, badda boom!
A checks, B bets $500K. A calls. River is an offsuit duece. A checks, B
goes all in for his last $750K. A calls.
The hand is expertly played by two WCPs.
The players making these plays in the above mentioned hand were Richard
Dunberg ... and Johnny fucking Chan!
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 16:07:30
From: Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
Subject: Re: Applying Rule of 7 to my game
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On Dec 13 2006 3:52 PM, MysteriAce wrote:
> On Dec 13 2006 4:29 PM, Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster wrote:
>
> > On Dec 13 2006 2:49 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 13 2006 9:33 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> > >
> > > > This question is for anyone including Russ that understands Russ' Rule
of
> > > > 7. I've been doing a lot of soul searching in my poker game lately. I'm
> > > > trying to go beyond the standard rules of thought and want to try new
> > > > techniques and plays with my poker game.
> > > >
> > > > My latest situation is trying to apply the Rule of 7 to NL holdem cash
> > > > game strategy. I have my own thoughts on this, but for the purpose of
> > > > discussion, what are your thoughts on applying the Rule of 7 to NLHE?
> > > > Along the same lines, I've been playing PLHE more lately with the
> addition
> > > > of HA games on FullTilt (PLHE/PLO changing every 10 hands). What
> > > > adjustments do I need to make with the Rule of 7 strategy to PLHE vs.
> > > > NLHE?
> > > >
> > > > Morphy
> > > > http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > > Online or live? I wouldn't really recommend it for live games unless you
> are
> > > kitted out in a suit of armour. All those min raises? Someone, though
> > probably
> > > not your opponent who is silly enough to go along with lark, but more
> > > likely other players on the table, will be hurrying you along with a
> > base-ball
> > > bat at least.
> >
> > That's interesting that you thought of "min raise". I immediately thought
> > that if people are betting correctly in PL or NL HE the rule of 7 will be
> > moot. I can't imagine of a situation where you don't get all in after the
> > 3rd, or at very least the 4th, raise. Example, Blinds 10/20, I raise UTG
> > with AA to 80, you reraise with KK to 250, I re-reraise with AA to 1000.
> > That's the third raise. Where are you going with the 4th one? I'd be
> > all-in (tourney or cash). The rule of 7 (I think) is supposed to
> > guarantee you get position for the expensive rounds in LHE by putting in
> > extra bets on the cheaper rounds.
> >
>
> See, you see, do you see ... ?
>
> You have to use this in unlimited buy in games, where there's a lot of
> money on the table. For example, 10/20 blinds NLHE, each of you has 1.5
> million on the table.
>
> Example from the Commerce Casino:
>
> Player A: Raises to 80 preflop
> Player B, who has been 3-betting player A every time he comes into a pot,
> puts in the third bet, making it 240 to go.
> Folds back to Player A, who calls the additional 160.
>
> A's hand contained QhJh. B's hand contained 5, 5.
>
> Flop comes out Kh, 9h, 5h.
>
> A checked. B bets $300. A checkraises to $900. B reraises to $2700. A
> reraises to $8000. B reraises to $24000. A reraises to $75000. B
> reraises to $225,000. A just calls. Rule of 7. Gotta slow down the
> action with that bottom set!
>
> The turn is a 5! Badda bing, badda boom!
>
> A checks, B bets $500K. A calls. River is an offsuit duece. A checks, B
> goes all in for his last $750K. A calls.
>
> The hand is expertly played by two WCPs.
>
> The players making these plays in the above mentioned hand were Richard
> Dunberg ... and Johnny fucking Chan!
>
Ok, next time I'm Johnny Chan and have 1.5 mil in front of me on a 10/20
NLHE table AND am up against somebody else who has 1.5 mil AND we both get
monster hands, I'll be sure to use the rule of 7.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 15:31:28
From: Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
Subject: Re: Applying Rule of 7 to my game
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On Dec 13 2006 3:29 PM, Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster wrote:
> On Dec 13 2006 2:49 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
>
> > On Dec 13 2006 9:33 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> >
> > > This question is for anyone including Russ that understands Russ' Rule of
> > > 7. I've been doing a lot of soul searching in my poker game lately. I'm
> > > trying to go beyond the standard rules of thought and want to try new
> > > techniques and plays with my poker game.
> > >
> > > My latest situation is trying to apply the Rule of 7 to NL holdem cash
> > > game strategy. I have my own thoughts on this, but for the purpose of
> > > discussion, what are your thoughts on applying the Rule of 7 to NLHE?
> > > Along the same lines, I've been playing PLHE more lately with the
addition
> > > of HA games on FullTilt (PLHE/PLO changing every 10 hands). What
> > > adjustments do I need to make with the Rule of 7 strategy to PLHE vs.
> > > NLHE?
> > >
> > > Morphy
> > > http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com/
> >
> > Online or live? I wouldn't really recommend it for live games unless you
are
> > kitted out in a suit of armour. All those min raises? Someone, though
> probably
> > not your opponent who is silly enough to go along with lark, but more
> > likely other players on the table, will be hurrying you along with a
> base-ball
> > bat at least.
>
> That's interesting that you thought of "min raise". I immediately thought
> that if people are betting correctly in PL or NL HE the rule of 7 will be
> moot. I can't imagine of a situation where you don't get all in after the
> 3rd, or at very least the 4th, raise. Example, Blinds 10/20, I raise UTG
> with AA to 80, you reraise with KK to 250, I re-reraise with AA to 1000.
> That's the third raise. Where are you going with the 4th one? I'd be
> all-in (tourney or cash). The rule of 7 (I think) is supposed to
> guarantee you get position for the expensive rounds in LHE by putting in
> extra bets on the cheaper rounds.
Let me clarify. In my example I'd be all in with the fourth raise IF I
decided to raise again with the KK, which I probably may or may not
depending on my opponent.
>
>
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> "Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if
> you look at it right" -RH
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you look at it right" -RH
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Date: 14 Dec
From: Nick Wool
Subject: Re: Applying Rule of 7 to my game
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On Dec 13 2006 11:31 PM, Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster wrote:
> On Dec 13 2006 3:29 PM, Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster wrote:
>
> > On Dec 13 2006 2:49 PM, Nick Wool wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 13 2006 9:33 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> > >
> > > > This question is for anyone including Russ that understands Russ' Rule
> > > > of
> > > > 7. I've been doing a lot of soul searching in my poker game lately. I'm
> > > > trying to go beyond the standard rules of thought and want to try new
> > > > techniques and plays with my poker game.
> > > >
> > > > My latest situation is trying to apply the Rule of 7 to NL holdem cash
> > > > game strategy. I have my own thoughts on this, but for the purpose of
> > > > discussion, what are your thoughts on applying the Rule of 7 to NLHE?
> > > > Along the same lines, I've been playing PLHE more lately with the
> addition
> > > > of HA games on FullTilt (PLHE/PLO changing every 10 hands). What
> > > > adjustments do I need to make with the Rule of 7 strategy to PLHE vs.
> > > > NLHE?
> > > >
> > > > Morphy
> > > > http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > > Online or live? I wouldn't really recommend it for live games unless you
> are
> > > kitted out in a suit of armour. All those min raises? Someone, though
> > probably
> > > not your opponent who is silly enough to go along with lark, but more
> > > likely other players on the table, will be hurrying you along with a
> > base-ball
> > > bat at least.
> >
> > That's interesting that you thought of "min raise". I immediately thought
> > that if people are betting correctly in PL or NL HE the rule of 7 will be
> > moot. I can't imagine of a situation where you don't get all in after the
> > 3rd, or at very least the 4th, raise. Example, Blinds 10/20, I raise UTG
> > with AA to 80, you reraise with KK to 250, I re-reraise with AA to 1000.
> > That's the third raise. Where are you going with the 4th one? I'd be
> > all-in (tourney or cash). The rule of 7 (I think) is supposed to
> > guarantee you get position for the expensive rounds in LHE by putting in
> > extra bets on the cheaper rounds.
>
> Let me clarify. In my example I'd be all in with the fourth raise IF I
> decided to raise again with the KK, which I probably may or may not
> depending on my opponent.
>
Not sure if you should post more than once in a trolling post...
Oh shit, this is my second....
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 14:16:15
From: MysteriAce
Subject: Re: Applying Rule of 7 to my game
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On Dec 13 2006 2:33 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> This question is for anyone including Russ that understands Russ' Rule of
> 7. I've been doing a lot of soul searching in my poker game lately. I'm
> trying to go beyond the standard rules of thought and want to try new
> techniques and plays with my poker game.
>
> My latest situation is trying to apply the Rule of 7 to NL holdem cash
> game strategy. I have my own thoughts on this, but for the purpose of
> discussion, what are your thoughts on applying the Rule of 7 to NLHE?
> Along the same lines, I've been playing PLHE more lately with the addition
> of HA games on FullTilt (PLHE/PLO changing every 10 hands). What
> adjustments do I need to make with the Rule of 7 strategy to PLHE vs.
> NLHE?
>
> Morphy
> http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com
Just make sure to put in the 6th raise on the flop when you have position.
That'll slow down the action!
~ MysteriAce
"Ashes and diamonds
Foe and friend
We were all equal in the end"
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