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Date: 08 Dec 2006 18:01:00
From: ShuffletownKid
Subject: Any good articles on sucking out?
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It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 19:04:50
From: beerboy
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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In news:wLheh.69$dD2.37@tornado.southeast.rr.com,
ShuffletownKid <sk@nospamserver.com > typed:
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 10:38:47
From: Nimrod
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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By sucking out, do you mean "How do you play agianst a player that
seems to suck out a lot"?
I would not call that this particular players style. more like calling
station. Once you identify a player that will call to any draw, you
will notice him sucking out a lot more.
Now how do you make money off of this type of player?
A lot of that depends on position to the player, but the bottom line
is, get into a lot of hands with him and don't try to make bank on
every hand.If you can limp with your rags, do so.
He may be hitting his draw on hands that you are over commiting chips
on. If he hits second pair on the flop, he may go to the river before
hitting his two pair. If the pot is very large, he can have you
commited for 10 times the BB by then. Being a calling station, he may
call half size pot bets before getting to the river.
If you are heads up with a calling station, try 25% size bets to gain
more info. You will minimize dammage and over the long run, you will
get his money.
Basically win 5 big bets off of him 5 times an hour.
Jamie
http://loadholdem.com
ShuffletownKid wrote:
> It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 03:06:40
From: ShuffletownKid
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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"Nimrod" <jtsottles@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1165603127.492105.132590@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> By sucking out, do you mean "How do you play agianst a player that
> seems to suck out a lot"?
> I would not call that this particular players style. more like calling
> station. Once you identify a player that will call to any draw, you
> will notice him sucking out a lot more.
> Now how do you make money off of this type of player?
> A lot of that depends on position to the player, but the bottom line
> is, get into a lot of hands with him and don't try to make bank on
> every hand.If you can limp with your rags, do so.
> He may be hitting his draw on hands that you are over commiting chips
> on. If he hits second pair on the flop, he may go to the river before
> hitting his two pair. If the pot is very large, he can have you
> commited for 10 times the BB by then. Being a calling station, he may
> call half size pot bets before getting to the river.
> If you are heads up with a calling station, try 25% size bets to gain
> more info. You will minimize dammage and over the long run, you will
> get his money.
> Basically win 5 big bets off of him 5 times an hour.
>
> Jamie
> http://loadholdem.com
>
> ShuffletownKid wrote:
>> It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
Thanks, I was just bitching. Good info, but in tournament play you don't
always have the luxury of knowing your opponent or be able to stay at a
table with them.
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 10:24:05
From: Bronzedodger
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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On Dec 8 2006 1:01 PM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
> It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
I think ex-Rep. Foley might be putting out a how-to book...
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 15:12:27
From: Nimrod
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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That last comment is interesting.
I hadn't thought of that but now that you said it, you are right. I
know a guy that calls down big pots all the while saying "I think I am
out kicked" only to find that their opponant was on a bluff. Come to
think of it, he seems to be up a good bit this year.
johnny T wrote:
> Also... Just like there are successful maniacs, there *are* successful
> calling stations. It requires a better understanding of the game, and
> knowing where NOT to play in order to get the math into your corner, but
> it is more than just possible, there are people doing it everyday.
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 17:07:47
From: glassman
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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"ShuffletownKid" <sk@nospamserver.com > wrote in message
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> It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
>
Fight it as much as you like, but I really think we all get lucky an equal
number of times over the long haul. The biggest difference is the fish do
it early, the pros do it late.
--
JK Sinrod
www.SinrodStudios.com
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 03:24:32
From: ShuffletownKid
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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"glassman" <jksinrod@aol.com > wrote in message
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> "ShuffletownKid" <sk@nospamserver.com> wrote in message
> news:wLheh.69$dD2.37@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
>> It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
>>
>
> Fight it as much as you like, but I really think we all get lucky an
> equal number of times over the long haul. The biggest difference is the
> fish do it early, the pros do it late.
>
> --
> JK Sinrod
> www.SinrodStudios.com
> www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com
Good assessment.
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 12:01:06
From: johnny T
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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ShuffletownKid wrote:
> It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
>
>
Calling stations have a couple of pluses for them.
First, for many, many people catching and punishing bluffers is more
entertaining and satisfying than making money. You will find more
calling stations online than in the real world, for that reason alone.
Secondly, for some, bluffing people is more entertaining and satisfying
than making money. You will find more of these people online than in
the real world. These people help make the mathematics of calling
stations better, and beget more calling stations.
Identify these people and play them appropriately. Do not get all
pissed off that they make a draw against you. That is part of the math,
and part of successful tourney play is how to manage the calling
stations so that you profit, AND stay in the tournament. Unless you
have the nuts there is risk that you will lose. Do the right thing...
Also... Just like there are successful maniacs, there *are* successful
calling stations. It requires a better understanding of the game, and
knowing where NOT to play in order to get the math into your corner, but
it is more than just possible, there are people doing it everyday.
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 03:23:37
From: ShuffletownKid
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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"johnny T" <Nobody@home.com > wrote in message
news:4579c48e$0$81349$ae4e5890@news.nationwide.net...
> ShuffletownKid wrote:
>> It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
> Calling stations have a couple of pluses for them.
>
> First, for many, many people catching and punishing bluffers is more
> entertaining and satisfying than making money. You will find more calling
> stations online than in the real world, for that reason alone.
>
> Secondly, for some, bluffing people is more entertaining and satisfying
> than making money. You will find more of these people online than in the
> real world. These people help make the mathematics of calling stations
> better, and beget more calling stations.
>
> Identify these people and play them appropriately. Do not get all pissed
> off that they make a draw against you. That is part of the math, and part
> of successful tourney play is how to manage the calling stations so that
> you profit, AND stay in the tournament. Unless you have the nuts there
> is risk that you will lose. Do the right thing...
>
> Also... Just like there are successful maniacs, there *are* successful
> calling stations. It requires a better understanding of the game, and
> knowing where NOT to play in order to get the math into your corner, but
> it is more than just possible, there are people doing it everyday.
>
Very good info.
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 11:14:33
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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ShuffletownKid wrote:
> It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
Since you are probably just doing a multi-hand bad-beat whine, along
with a boast about always getting you money in good, I shoudln't bother
but just in case. If you are talking about limit HE, Abdul-Jalib has,
or at least had, a very good online article about draws and outs. It
was called something lke "the art of sucking out" but it wasn't about
getting your money in bad and then getting lucky. It was about playing
draws properly in LHE.
It is here,
http://ftrain.blogspot.com/2006/05/abduls-theory-of-sucking-out.html,
among other places on the net. It doesn't cover how to hit
runner-runner for a flush after getting all-in with your Aces against a
flopped set but it is an excellent article.
Will in New Haven
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 03:11:44
From: ShuffletownKid
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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"Will in New Haven" <bill.reich@taylorandfrancis.com > wrote in message
news:1165605273.234697.98470@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> ShuffletownKid wrote:
>> It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
>
> Since you are probably just doing a multi-hand bad-beat whine, along
> with a boast about always getting you money in good, I shoudln't bother
> but just in case. If you are talking about limit HE, Abdul-Jalib has,
> or at least had, a very good online article about draws and outs. It
> was called something lke "the art of sucking out" but it wasn't about
> getting your money in bad and then getting lucky. It was about playing
> draws properly in LHE.
>
> It is here,
> http://ftrain.blogspot.com/2006/05/abduls-theory-of-sucking-out.html,
> among other places on the net. It doesn't cover how to hit
> runner-runner for a flush after getting all-in with your Aces against a
> flopped set but it is an excellent article.
>
> Will in New Haven
Thanks. Good article, I should switch to limit. I had just reached the point
of whine or go push $10 every hand at the .5/.10 table. Rough night.
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Date: 09 Dec 11:37:17
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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On Dec 8 2006 11:01 AM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
> It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
Then clearly you should not be playing poker.
Your post from 3 different levels makes it clear you have a long way to go
before you understand the game.
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 03:50:17
From: ShuffletownKid
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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"arlo payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1165664237$918696@recpoker.com...
>
>
> On Dec 8 2006 11:01 AM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
>
>> It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
>
>
> Then clearly you should not be playing poker.
>
> Your post from 3 different levels makes it clear you have a long way to go
> before you understand the game.
>
Thanks for the Netside analysis. It's a little late to be telling me I
shouldn't be playing poker. I decided to give it up 40 years ago, if I ever
got tired of the extra money.
Where was it you play online? I would love to watch your level of online
play.
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Date: 10 Dec
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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On Dec 9 2006 8:50 PM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
> "arlo payne" wrote in message
> news:1165664237$918696@recpoker.com...
> >
> >
> > On Dec 8 2006 11:01 AM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
> >
> >> It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
> >
> >
> > Then clearly you should not be playing poker.
> >
> > Your post from 3 different levels makes it clear you have a long way to go
> > before you understand the game.
> >
>
> Thanks for the Netside analysis. It's a little late to be telling me I
> shouldn't be playing poker. I decided to give it up 40 years ago, if I ever
> got tired of the extra money.
> Where was it you play online? I would love to watch your level of online
> play.
Oh one more thing you should know about RGP
The people that use their real names are in general the brain trust here.
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 04:20:50
From: ShuffletownKid
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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"arlo payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1165723140$918988@recpoker.com...
>
>
>
> On Dec 9 2006 8:50 PM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
>
>> "arlo payne" wrote in message
>> news:1165664237$918696@recpoker.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > On Dec 8 2006 11:01 AM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
>> >
>> >
>> > Then clearly you should not be playing poker.
>> >
>> > Your post from 3 different levels makes it clear you have a long way to
>> > go
>> > before you understand the game.
>> >
>>
>> Thanks for the Netside analysis. It's a little late to be telling me I
>> shouldn't be playing poker. I decided to give it up 40 years ago, if I
>> ever
>> got tired of the extra money.
>> Where was it you play online? I would love to watch your level of online
>> play.
>
>
> Oh one more thing you should know about RGP
> The people that use their real names are in general the brain trust here.
>
Then why would they put themselves at such a disadvantage? I guess your
supercilious statement explains that.
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Date: 10 Dec
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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On Dec 9 2006 8:50 PM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
> "arlo payne" wrote in message
> news:1165664237$918696@recpoker.com...
> >
> >
> > On Dec 8 2006 11:01 AM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
> >
> >> It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
> >
> >
> > Then clearly you should not be playing poker.
> >
> > Your post from 3 different levels makes it clear you have a long way to go
> > before you understand the game.
> >
>
> Thanks for the Netside analysis. It's a little late to be telling me I
> shouldn't be playing poker. I decided to give it up 40 years ago, if I ever
> got tired of the extra money.
> Where was it you play online? I would love to watch your level of online
> play.
BTW kid I was making a living playing before you were born I would bet.
Also I will cut you a little slack because you are new and not real bright.
My advice is worth gold!
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 04:14:51
From: ShuffletownKid
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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"arlo payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1165723072$918987@recpoker.com...
>
>
>
> On Dec 9 2006 8:50 PM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
>
>> "arlo payne" wrote in message
>> news:1165664237$918696@recpoker.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > On Dec 8 2006 11:01 AM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
>> >
>> >
>> > Then clearly you should not be playing poker.
>> >
>> > Your post from 3 different levels makes it clear you have a long way to
>> > go
>> > before you understand the game.
>> >
>>
>> Thanks for the Netside analysis. It's a little late to be telling me I
>> shouldn't be playing poker. I decided to give it up 40 years ago, if I
>> ever
>> got tired of the extra money.
>> Where was it you play online? I would love to watch your level of online
>> play.
>
>
> BTW kid I was making a living playing before you were born I would bet.
> Also I will cut you a little slack because you are new and not real
> bright.
> My advice is worth gold!
>
Maybe you were a pro 53 years ago, so what. If you think you should cut me
slack, clearly you are the one that shouldn't be in the game. I'm sure you
have a huge mental-vault of gold. You should cash out, it's taking up space
that could be used for thought.
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Date: 10 Dec
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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On Dec 9 2006 9:14 PM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
> "arlo payne" wrote in message
> news:1165723072$918987@recpoker.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 9 2006 8:50 PM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
> >
> >> "arlo payne" wrote in message
> >> news:1165664237$918696@recpoker.com...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Dec 8 2006 11:01 AM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Then clearly you should not be playing poker.
> >> >
> >> > Your post from 3 different levels makes it clear you have a long way to
> >> > go
> >> > before you understand the game.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Thanks for the Netside analysis. It's a little late to be telling me I
> >> shouldn't be playing poker. I decided to give it up 40 years ago, if I
> >> ever
> >> got tired of the extra money.
> >> Where was it you play online? I would love to watch your level of online
> >> play.
> >
> >
> > BTW kid I was making a living playing before you were born I would bet.
> > Also I will cut you a little slack because you are new and not real
> > bright.
> > My advice is worth gold!
> >
>
> Maybe you were a pro 53 years ago, so what. If you think you should cut me
> slack, clearly you are the one that shouldn't be in the game. I'm sure you
> have a huge mental-vault of gold. You should cash out, it's taking up space
> that could be used for thought.
Boy did not take yoou long to get put in my kilfilter you flipping joke!
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 04:23:47
From: ShuffletownKid
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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"arlo payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1165724311$919000@recpoker.com...
>
>
>
> On Dec 9 2006 9:14 PM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
>
>> "arlo payne" wrote in message
>> news:1165723072$918987@recpoker.com...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Dec 9 2006 8:50 PM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
>> >
>> >> "arlo payne" wrote in message
>> >> news:1165664237$918696@recpoker.com...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Dec 8 2006 11:01 AM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Then clearly you should not be playing poker.
>> >> >
>> >> > Your post from 3 different levels makes it clear you have a long way
>> >> > to
>> >> > go
>> >> > before you understand the game.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the Netside analysis. It's a little late to be telling me I
>> >> shouldn't be playing poker. I decided to give it up 40 years ago, if I
>> >> ever
>> >> got tired of the extra money.
>> >> Where was it you play online? I would love to watch your level of
>> >> online
>> >> play.
>> >
>> >
>> > BTW kid I was making a living playing before you were born I would bet.
>> > Also I will cut you a little slack because you are new and not real
>> > bright.
>> > My advice is worth gold!
>> >
>>
>> Maybe you were a pro 53 years ago, so what. If you think you should cut
>> me
>> slack, clearly you are the one that shouldn't be in the game. I'm sure
>> you
>> have a huge mental-vault of gold. You should cash out, it's taking up
>> space
>> that could be used for thought.
>
>
> Boy did not take yoou long to get put in my kilfilter you flipping joke!
>
Damn, the senile are too easy.
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Date: 10 Dec
From: arlo payne
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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On Dec 9 2006 8:50 PM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
> "arlo payne" wrote in message
> news:1165664237$918696@recpoker.com...
> >
> >
> > On Dec 8 2006 11:01 AM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
> >
> >> It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
> >
> >
> > Then clearly you should not be playing poker.
> >
> > Your post from 3 different levels makes it clear you have a long way to go
> > before you understand the game.
> >
>
> Thanks for the Netside analysis. It's a little late to be telling me I
> shouldn't be playing poker. I decided to give it up 40 years ago, if I ever
> got tired of the extra money.
> Where was it you play online? I would love to watch your level of online
> play.
Just google me key words Arlo Payne Poker WSOP
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 04:07:58
From: ShuffletownKid
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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"arlo payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1165722935$918985@recpoker.com...
>
>
>
> On Dec 9 2006 8:50 PM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
>
>> "arlo payne" wrote in message
>> news:1165664237$918696@recpoker.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > On Dec 8 2006 11:01 AM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
>> >
>> >
>> > Then clearly you should not be playing poker.
>> >
>> > Your post from 3 different levels makes it clear you have a long way to
>> > go
>> > before you understand the game.
>> >
>>
>> Thanks for the Netside analysis. It's a little late to be telling me I
>> shouldn't be playing poker. I decided to give it up 40 years ago, if I
>> ever
>> got tired of the extra money.
>> Where was it you play online? I would love to watch your level of online
>> play.
>
> Just google me key words Arlo Payne Poker WSOP
>
Something's wrong with Google, all I get is a 2002 WSOP Omaha HiLo with 144
players you made 7th for 8,460.00. Nothing about your online expertise.
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 06:18:18
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Any good articles on sucking out?
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ShuffletownKid wrote:
> "arlo payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1165723140$918988@recpoker.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 9 2006 8:50 PM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
> >
> >> "arlo payne" wrote in message
> >> news:1165664237$918696@recpoker.com...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Dec 8 2006 11:01 AM, ShuffletownKid wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> It's the one style I can't seem to beat.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Then clearly you should not be playing poker.
> >> >
> >> > Your post from 3 different levels makes it clear you have a long way to
> >> > go
> >> > before you understand the game.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Thanks for the Netside analysis. It's a little late to be telling me I
> >> shouldn't be playing poker. I decided to give it up 40 years ago, if I
> >> ever
> >> got tired of the extra money.
> >> Where was it you play online? I would love to watch your level of online
> >> play.
> >
> >
> > Oh one more thing you should know about RGP
> > The people that use their real names are in general the brain trust here.
> >
>
> Then why would they put themselves at such a disadvantage? I guess your
> supercilious statement explains that.
What disadvantage? Do you really think that you gain someting, in
poker, from anonymity? If you play online, you could use a different
screen name for playing and your real name on UseNet. In live play, I
have only played against people who read my online advice AND could
connect me with it when I have attended FARGO and in some sattelites
and tournaments at Foxwoods. I don't think it gave them any edge.
Arlo was harsh with you but your original post WAS annoying. I think
you should read anything you find on here that he writes, even though
he hurt your feelings. I certainly do.
Will in New Haven
--
"All around me darkness gathers, fading is the sun that shone,
we must speak of other matters, you can be me when I'm gone..."
- SANDMAN #67, Neil Gaiman
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