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Date: 15 Dec 2006 05:41:56
From: Lasych
Subject: Am I playing to weak?
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Play in a small and friendly .50/.50 pot limit hold em home game. For
the most part I try to play a tight conservative player. I was a
consistent winner for a long time but have fallen on hard times the
last 2-3 months.
One hand last night has me wondering if I am just playing to weak and
allowing the table to run over me. I was UTG and straddled. UTG +1
limped, a MP player limped and the button raised to $5. I looked down
at AQs-spades. I decided only to call and see the flop. The UTG +1
folded and the MP player called.
The flop was K-10-3, one spade. I checked, the MP player checked and
the button bet $15. I folded and the MP player called.
The turn was a J, which would have given me broadway. But more
importantly, the remaining two players checked it down and the MP
player won the hand with pocket 4s. I did not see the button's cards.
Please help me identify all the places I went wrong.
TIA.
Lasych
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 06:53:56
From: Lasych
Subject: Re: Am I playing to weak?
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Everyone buys into the game for $100.00. At this point in the evening
the button had tripled up when his pocket fives turned into quads
against another players full house. I and the other two players in the
hand were hovering around the $100.00 level.
The MP player is very loose and will call with many hands. The button
is very tight and, while he will take a stab at the pot from time to
time, he will only call large bets with very strong hands.
Ian Stuart wrote:
> > Please help me identify all the places I went wrong.
> >
>
> You didn't tell us anything about your opponents or any action prior to
> this hand. Oh and you left out stack sizes.
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Date: 15 Dec 16:08:25
From: nkks0808
Subject: Re: Am I playing to weak?
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You need to get 10 to 1 on your money to chase that gutter, unless you think
your A would be good too. That would give you about 7 outs......close to a
flush draw.
Would you call a flush draw in that situation?
If you would, then you should have played it.
You have to be right that your A would be good, because you'll lose a boat load
to trips/two pair, etc.
You need some assurances that you are going to get paid off if you hit, and with
a pair of 4s.....that pot would have been over when you hit your hand and bet
too much for them to call on the turn.
On Dec 15 2006 8:53 AM, Lasych wrote:
> Everyone buys into the game for $100.00. At this point in the evening
> the button had tripled up when his pocket fives turned into quads
> against another players full house. I and the other two players in the
> hand were hovering around the $100.00 level.
>
> The MP player is very loose and will call with many hands. The button
> is very tight and, while he will take a stab at the pot from time to
> time, he will only call large bets with very strong hands.
>
>
> Ian Stuart wrote:
> > > Please help me identify all the places I went wrong.
> > >
> >
> > You didn't tell us anything about your opponents or any action prior to
> > this hand. Oh and you left out stack sizes.
Niki :P
www.nikitispoker.com
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 06:38:48
From: Ian Stuart
Subject: Re: Am I playing to weak?
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> Please help me identify all the places I went wrong.
>
You didn't tell us anything about your opponents or any action prior to
this hand. Oh and you left out stack sizes.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 14:09:18
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: Am I playing to weak?
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phlash74 wrote:
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> Caring about the turn was where you went wrong. Yes, you would have
> won this particular hand had you stayed in for the turn, although it is
> doubtful you would have made any extra money from it. You didn't have
> odds to draw unless you knew an ace or queen would win it for you, and
> there's no rational reason to expect that. The button is representing
> AK very strongly. Since you found out that he was full of it (he
> couldn't beat a pair of 4's?), pay attention to the way he played the
> hand and see if you can pick him off later.
Great advice! I want to add another good reason to fold: MP may be
planning to check-raise the flop with a big hand. Now you've thrown
away your $15 for nothing, unless you plan to call a $60 re-raise with
Ace High.
- Bob T.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 13:58:21
From: phlash74
Subject: Re: Am I playing to weak?
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On Dec 15, 5:41 am, "Lasych" <lau_...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Play in a small and friendly .50/.50 pot limit hold em home game. For
> the most part I try to play a tight conservative player. I was a
> consistent winner for a long time but have fallen on hard times the
> last 2-3 months.
>
> One hand last night has me wondering if I am just playing to weak and
> allowing the table to run over me. I was UTG and straddled. UTG +1
> limped, a MP player limped and the button raised to $5. I looked down
> at AQs-spades. I decided only to call and see the flop. The UTG +1
> folded and the MP player called.
>
> The flop was K-10-3, one spade. I checked, the MP player checked and
> the button bet $15. I folded and the MP player called.
>
> The turn was a J, which would have given me broadway. But more
> importantly, the remaining two players checked it down and the MP
> player won the hand with pocket 4s. I did not see the button's cards.
>
> Please help me identify all the places I went wrong.
>
> TIA.
>
> Lasych
Caring about the turn was where you went wrong. Yes, you would have
won this particular hand had you stayed in for the turn, although it is
doubtful you would have made any extra money from it. You didn't have
odds to draw unless you knew an ace or queen would win it for you, and
there's no rational reason to expect that. The button is representing
AK very strongly. Since you found out that he was full of it (he
couldn't beat a pair of 4's?), pay attention to the way he played the
hand and see if you can pick him off later.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 12:45:56
From: David Nicoson
Subject: Re: Am I playing to weak?
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Lasych wrote:
> For the most part I try to play a tight conservative player.
[SNIP]
> I was UTG and straddled.
Are you sure you're tight?
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