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Date: 04 Dec 2006 19:38:01
From: Bronzedodger
Subject: Advice Request Bravo: NLHE (with BAHH)
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I pretend to be a decent HE player. In this, I'd been playing tight, and
two hands earlier had raised to 3x preflop, got one caller - missed the
flop, but bet out, dude folded. So when I get the AA I do the same thing
and hope someone is annoyed. Got two callers, and the nightmare scenario
on the flop. I think I had to bet, and then, pot committed, had to call -
but is that just hot air?
Full Tilt Poker Game #1354443412: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (9542480), Table 2 -
30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:28:09 ET - 2006/12/04
Seat 1: BronzeDodger (2,350)
Seat 3: KU (1,490)
Seat 5: baseball2011 (1,220)
Seat 6: sloplay0 (1,470)
Seat 7: allskate (2,090)
Seat 8: Sir Mixalot (675)
Seat 9: HyperionMark (2,305)
Sir Mixalot posts the small blind of 30
HyperionMark posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BronzeDodger [Ad Ah]
BronzeDodger raises to 180
KU folds
baseball2011 calls 180
sloplay0 folds
allskate calls 180
Sir Mixalot folds
HyperionMark folds
*** FLOP *** [Jd Tc Ks]
BronzeDodger bets 500
baseball2011 raises to 1,040, and is all in
allskate folds
BronzeDodger calls 540
baseball2011 shows [As Qs]
BronzeDodger shows [Ad Ah]
*** TURN *** [Jd Tc Ks] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [Jd Tc Ks 6d] [9d]
baseball2011 shows a straight, Ace high
BronzeDodger shows a pair of Aces
baseball2011 wins the pot (2,710) with a straight, Ace high
The blinds are now 40/80
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,710
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Date: 05 Dec
From: steve1127
Subject: Re: Advice Request Bravo: NLHE (with BAHH)
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On Dec 4 2006 10:38 PM, Bronzedodger wrote:
> I pretend to be a decent HE player. In this, I'd been playing tight, and
> two hands earlier had raised to 3x preflop, got one caller - missed the
> flop, but bet out, dude folded. So when I get the AA I do the same thing
> and hope someone is annoyed. Got two callers, and the nightmare scenario
> on the flop. I think I had to bet, and then, pot committed, had to call -
> but is that just hot air?
>
> Full Tilt Poker Game #1354443412: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (9542480), Table 2 -
> 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:28:09 ET - 2006/12/04
> Seat 1: BronzeDodger (2,350)
> Seat 3: KU (1,490)
> Seat 5: baseball2011 (1,220)
> Seat 6: sloplay0 (1,470)
> Seat 7: allskate (2,090)
> Seat 8: Sir Mixalot (675)
> Seat 9: HyperionMark (2,305)
> Sir Mixalot posts the small blind of 30
> HyperionMark posts the big blind of 60
> The button is in seat #7
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to BronzeDodger [Ad Ah]
> BronzeDodger raises to 180
> KU folds
> baseball2011 calls 180
> sloplay0 folds
> allskate calls 180
> Sir Mixalot folds
> HyperionMark folds
> *** FLOP *** [Jd Tc Ks]
Against one player I bet. Against two, I think I just check. That's a pretty
awful flop.
> BronzeDodger bets 500
At the very least, I don't bet this much. The pot's only 540. If you want to
bet, bet 300 and fold if you get raised.
> baseball2011 raises to 1,040, and is all in
> allskate folds
> BronzeDodger calls 540
Once you make the bet of 500, yeah, you have to call.
> baseball2011 shows [As Qs]
> BronzeDodger shows [Ad Ah]
> *** TURN *** [Jd Tc Ks] [6d]
> *** RIVER *** [Jd Tc Ks 6d] [9d]
> baseball2011 shows a straight, Ace high
> BronzeDodger shows a pair of Aces
> baseball2011 wins the pot (2,710) with a straight, Ace high
> The blinds are now 40/80
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot 2,710
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 20:14:55
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Advice Request Bravo: NLHE (with BAHH)
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On Dec 4 2006 8:38 PM, Bronzedodger wrote:
> I pretend to be a decent HE player. In this, I'd been playing tight, and
> two hands earlier had raised to 3x preflop, got one caller - missed the
> flop, but bet out, dude folded. So when I get the AA I do the same thing
> and hope someone is annoyed. Got two callers, and the nightmare scenario
> on the flop. I think I had to bet, and then, pot committed, had to call -
> but is that just hot air?
Tough spot on the first hand. Not much else you can do except checkraise.
Stacks are not deep enough to get away from aces on this flop. My line,
however, might be to bet 200 on the flop, with the intention of jamming a
safe turn, but if I get raised on the flop, I'm going with it.
Fell
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 20:01:38
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Advice Request Bravo: NLHE (with BAHH)
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> I pretend to be a decent HE player. In this, I'd been playing tight, and
> two hands earlier had raised to 3x preflop, got one caller - missed the
> flop, but bet out, dude folded. So when I get the AA I do the same thing
> and hope someone is annoyed. Got two callers, and the nightmare scenario
> on the flop. I think I had to bet, and then, pot committed, had to call -
> but is that just hot air?
It depends on how you look at it. If you see the flop and immediately
think you're beat and have to get away, then bet less on the flop, like
300 or so, and fold when he jams. I play $5 SNGs a few times a week with
a friend, and I very rarely fold AA at all, so I probably just pot it and
call the allin the same way you did.
> Very next hand - hoping the table is thinking I'm steaming (and, you know,
> I am). This is just a bad beat, but should I have done anything
> differently? I don't think I'd change anything, but given that other
> people seem to win these things while I get smoked...perhaps I'm missing
> something.
>
>
> Full Tilt Poker Game #1354449474: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (9542480), Table 2 -
> 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:29:09 ET - 2006/12/04
> Seat 1: BronzeDodger (1,130)
> Seat 3: KU (1,490)
> Seat 5: baseball2011 (2,710)
> Seat 6: sloplay0 (1,470)
> Seat 7: allskate (1,910)
> Seat 8: Sir Mixalot (645)
> Seat 9: HyperionMark (2,245)
> HyperionMark posts the small blind of 40
> BronzeDodger posts the big blind of 80
> The button is in seat #8
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to BronzeDodger [Kd As]
> KU folds
> baseball2011 folds
> sloplay0 folds
> allskate raises to 240
> Sir Mixalot folds
> HyperionMark folds
> BronzeDodger raises to 500
If you want them to look like you're steaming, just jam here. Betting
almost half your stack on a barely over min re-raise doesn't make much
sense, since you're moving in on any flop, so just shove it in pre-flop.
Yes, it was just bad luck you got out drawn here.
Morphy
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Date: 05 Dec
From: GTech1
Subject: Re: Advice Request Bravo: NLHE (with BAHH)
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This is backward thinking. If you always think you're beat on a flop like that
then you're setting yourself up to get run over. Why would you assume you're
beat? The chance the other guy just happens to have AQ is not very good. If he
was KJ, KT, JT then so be it. A raise here is just as likely to mean KQ or AK.
On Dec 4 2006 11:01 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> > I pretend to be a decent HE player. In this, I'd been playing tight, and
> > two hands earlier had raised to 3x preflop, got one caller - missed the
> > flop, but bet out, dude folded. So when I get the AA I do the same thing
> > and hope someone is annoyed. Got two callers, and the nightmare scenario
> > on the flop. I think I had to bet, and then, pot committed, had to call -
> > but is that just hot air?
>
> It depends on how you look at it. If you see the flop and immediately
> think you're beat and have to get away, then bet less on the flop, like
> 300 or so, and fold when he jams. I play $5 SNGs a few times a week with
> a friend, and I very rarely fold AA at all, so I probably just pot it and
> call the allin the same way you did.
>
> > Very next hand - hoping the table is thinking I'm steaming (and, you know,
> > I am). This is just a bad beat, but should I have done anything
> > differently? I don't think I'd change anything, but given that other
> > people seem to win these things while I get smoked...perhaps I'm missing
> > something.
> >
> >
> > Full Tilt Poker Game #1354449474: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (9542480), Table 2 -
> > 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:29:09 ET - 2006/12/04
> > Seat 1: BronzeDodger (1,130)
> > Seat 3: KU (1,490)
> > Seat 5: baseball2011 (2,710)
> > Seat 6: sloplay0 (1,470)
> > Seat 7: allskate (1,910)
> > Seat 8: Sir Mixalot (645)
> > Seat 9: HyperionMark (2,245)
> > HyperionMark posts the small blind of 40
> > BronzeDodger posts the big blind of 80
> > The button is in seat #8
> > *** HOLE CARDS ***
> > Dealt to BronzeDodger [Kd As]
> > KU folds
> > baseball2011 folds
> > sloplay0 folds
> > allskate raises to 240
> > Sir Mixalot folds
> > HyperionMark folds
> > BronzeDodger raises to 500
>
> If you want them to look like you're steaming, just jam here. Betting
> almost half your stack on a barely over min re-raise doesn't make much
> sense, since you're moving in on any flop, so just shove it in pre-flop.
> Yes, it was just bad luck you got out drawn here.
>
> Morphy
> http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com/
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 21:26:35
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Advice Request Bravo: NLHE (with BAHH)
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> This is backward thinking. If you always think you're beat on a flop like
that
> then you're setting yourself up to get run over. Why would you assume you're
> beat? The chance the other guy just happens to have AQ is not very good.
If he
> was KJ, KT, JT then so be it. A raise here is just as likely to mean KQ or
AK.
Go back and re-read what I wrote there, sparky. I know reading
comprehension isn't your thing, but give it a try and see what happens.
Morphy
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Date: 05 Dec
From: steve1127
Subject: Re: Advice Request Bravo: NLHE (with BAHH)
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On Dec 4 2006 11:01 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> > I pretend to be a decent HE player. In this, I'd been playing tight, and
> > two hands earlier had raised to 3x preflop, got one caller - missed the
> > flop, but bet out, dude folded. So when I get the AA I do the same thing
> > and hope someone is annoyed. Got two callers, and the nightmare scenario
> > on the flop. I think I had to bet, and then, pot committed, had to call -
> > but is that just hot air?
>
> It depends on how you look at it. If you see the flop and immediately
> think you're beat and have to get away, then bet less on the flop, like
> 300 or so, and fold when he jams. I play $5 SNGs a few times a week with
> a friend, and I very rarely fold AA at all, so I probably just pot it and
> call the allin the same way you did.
>
> > Very next hand - hoping the table is thinking I'm steaming (and, you know,
> > I am). This is just a bad beat, but should I have done anything
> > differently? I don't think I'd change anything, but given that other
> > people seem to win these things while I get smoked...perhaps I'm missing
> > something.
> >
> >
> > Full Tilt Poker Game #1354449474: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (9542480), Table 2 -
> > 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:29:09 ET - 2006/12/04
> > Seat 1: BronzeDodger (1,130)
> > Seat 3: KU (1,490)
> > Seat 5: baseball2011 (2,710)
> > Seat 6: sloplay0 (1,470)
> > Seat 7: allskate (1,910)
> > Seat 8: Sir Mixalot (645)
> > Seat 9: HyperionMark (2,245)
> > HyperionMark posts the small blind of 40
> > BronzeDodger posts the big blind of 80
> > The button is in seat #8
> > *** HOLE CARDS ***
> > Dealt to BronzeDodger [Kd As]
> > KU folds
> > baseball2011 folds
> > sloplay0 folds
> > allskate raises to 240
> > Sir Mixalot folds
> > HyperionMark folds
> > BronzeDodger raises to 500
>
> If you want them to look like you're steaming, just jam here. Betting
> almost half your stack on a barely over min re-raise doesn't make much
> sense, since you're moving in on any flop, so just shove it in pre-flop.
> Yes, it was just bad luck you got out drawn here.
>
> Morphy
> http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com/
I swear I didn't read this before I gave my practically identical advice.
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Date: 04 Dec 2006 20:16:55
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Advice Request Bravo: NLHE (with BAHH)
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On Dec 4 2006 9:01 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
> If you want them to look like you're steaming, just jam here. Betting
> almost half your stack on a barely over min re-raise doesn't make much
> sense, since you're moving in on any flop, so just shove it in pre-flop.
> Yes, it was just bad luck you got out drawn here.
Agreed. Jamming looks much more like tilt than small reraises.
Fell
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 00:23:44
From: Bronzedodger
Subject: Re: Advice Request Bravo: NLHE (with BAHH)
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On Dec 4 2006 11:16 PM, FellKnight wrote:
> On Dec 4 2006 9:01 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
> >
> > If you want them to look like you're steaming, just jam here. Betting
> > almost half your stack on a barely over min re-raise doesn't make much
> > sense, since you're moving in on any flop, so just shove it in pre-flop.
> > Yes, it was just bad luck you got out drawn here.
>
> Agreed. Jamming looks much more like tilt than small reraises.
>
> Fell
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Good point there - thanks Fell (and Steve).
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 07:33:42
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Advice Request Bravo: NLHE (with BAHH)
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> Good point there - thanks Fell (and Steve).
Ahem.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 08:04:49
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Advice Request Bravo: NLHE (with BAHH)
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On Dec 5 2006 8:33 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> > Good point there - thanks Fell (and Steve).
>
> Ahem.
>
> Morphy
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Fuck off Morphy.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 11:04:51
From: Bronzedodger
Subject: Re: Advice Request Bravo: NLHE (with BAHH)
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On Dec 5 2006 11:04 AM, FellKnight wrote:
> On Dec 5 2006 8:33 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
> > > Good point there - thanks Fell (and Steve).
> >
> > Ahem.
> >
> > Morphy
> > http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com
>
> Fuck off Morphy.
:-)
My bad - forgot that both those gents have XM to thank for their chops.
:-)))
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 12:37:15
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Advice Request Bravo: NLHE (with BAHH)
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> :-)
>
> My bad - forgot that both those gents have XM to thank for their chops.
>
> :-)))
Hah, thank you! Especially since if we have to pull punches, I'm much
closer to playing poker professionally than Fell is at this particular
moment in time.
Morphy
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 14:27:47
From: Bronzedodger
Subject: Re: Advice Request Bravo: NLHE (with BAHH)
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On Dec 5 2006 3:37 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
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> Hah, thank you! Especially since if we have to pull punches, I'm much
> closer to playing poker professionally than Fell is at this particular
> moment in time.
>
> Morphy
Just 'cause you're a better poker player than the missus is no reason to
pick on Fell because he's in the reverse situation.
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Date: 05 Dec 2006 11:57:51
From: Mark B \(Diputsur\)
Subject: Re: Advice Request Bravo: NLHE (with BAHH)
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"Bronzedodger" <a686ed@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:p56f44xoop.ln2@recgroups.com...
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> Very next hand - hoping the table is thinking I'm steaming (and, you know,
> I am). This is just a bad beat, but should I have done anything
> differently? I don't think I'd change anything, but given that other
> people seem to win these things while I get smoked...perhaps I'm missing
> something.
The horseshoe in your ass... sometimes there's nothing you can do. gg
Mark
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