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Date: 10 Dec 2006 10:12:12
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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I recently started playing on AP again, actually on a skin which gave me a
100% bonus and 28% RB.
In any case, I am playing in a Razz tourney. It is not the first time
I've played Razz on AP, not is it the first time I've emailed them about
this.
Thie high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two cards
of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
forced bring in.
Are there any other sites that do it this way? I have emailed them about
this when they first put razz on the site and again today. Of course the
first time I never got a response.
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 11:13:42
From: Iceman
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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pokerchimp wrote:
> I recently started playing on AP again, actually on a skin which gave me a
> 100% bonus and 28% RB.
> In any case, I am playing in a Razz tourney. It is not the first time
> I've played Razz on AP, not is it the first time I've emailed them about
> this.
>
> Thie high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two cards
> of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
> example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
> forced bring in.
>
> Are there any other sites that do it this way? I have emailed them about
> this when they first put razz on the site and again today. Of course the
> first time I never got a response.
The ranking of the suits is arbitrary anyway, and the fact that they do
it this way makes zero difference in the game.
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 11:34:26
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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Well, obviously I disagree. If Stars and Full Tilt (the other sites I
know of with Razz), the WSOP and any other Razz game I've ever seen does
it one way, it does make a difference to me.
On Dec 10 2006 2:13 PM, Iceman wrote:
> pokerchimp wrote:
> > I recently started playing on AP again, actually on a skin which gave me a
> > 100% bonus and 28% RB.
> > In any case, I am playing in a Razz tourney. It is not the first time
> > I've played Razz on AP, not is it the first time I've emailed them about
> > this.
> >
> > Thie high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two cards
> > of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
> > example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
> > forced bring in.
> >
> > Are there any other sites that do it this way? I have emailed them about
> > this when they first put razz on the site and again today. Of course the
> > first time I never got a response.
>
> The ranking of the suits is arbitrary anyway, and the fact that they do
> it this way makes zero difference in the game.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 03:22:09
From: Ron Sperber
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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pokerchimp wrote:
> Well, obviously I disagree. If Stars and Full Tilt (the other sites I
> know of with Razz), the WSOP and any other Razz game I've ever seen does
> it one way, it does make a difference to me.
>
> On Dec 10 2006 2:13 PM, Iceman wrote:
>
>
>>pokerchimp wrote:
>>
>>>I recently started playing on AP again, actually on a skin which gave me a
>>>100% bonus and 28% RB.
>>>In any case, I am playing in a Razz tourney. It is not the first time
>>>I've played Razz on AP, not is it the first time I've emailed them about
>>>this.
>>>
>>>Thie high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two cards
>>>of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
>>>example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
>>>forced bring in.
>>>
>>>Are there any other sites that do it this way? I have emailed them about
>>>this when they first put razz on the site and again today. Of course the
>>>first time I never got a response.
>>
>>The ranking of the suits is arbitrary anyway, and the fact that they do
>>it this way makes zero difference in the game.
>
>
>
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It's arbitrary. Since the suits have no effect on hand rankings, as long
as they pick an ordering and stick with it, it's not relevant. Yes, you
can "get screwed" by this ordering, but its just as likely that the
'standard' one will cause you problems.
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 20:09:21
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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On Dec 10 2006 10:22 PM, Ron Sperber wrote:
> pokerchimp wrote:
> > Well, obviously I disagree. If Stars and Full Tilt (the other sites I
> > know of with Razz), the WSOP and any other Razz game I've ever seen does
> > it one way, it does make a difference to me.
> >
> > On Dec 10 2006 2:13 PM, Iceman wrote:
> >
> >
> >>pokerchimp wrote:
> >>
> >>>I recently started playing on AP again, actually on a skin which gave me a
> >>>100% bonus and 28% RB.
> >>>In any case, I am playing in a Razz tourney. It is not the first time
> >>>I've played Razz on AP, not is it the first time I've emailed them about
> >>>this.
> >>>
> >>>Thie high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two cards
> >>>of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
> >>>example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
> >>>forced bring in.
> >>>
> >>>Are there any other sites that do it this way? I have emailed them about
> >>>this when they first put razz on the site and again today. Of course the
> >>>first time I never got a response.
> >>
> >>The ranking of the suits is arbitrary anyway, and the fact that they do
> >>it this way makes zero difference in the game.
> >
> >
> >
> > thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
> >
> It's arbitrary. Since the suits have no effect on hand rankings, as long
> as they pick an ordering and stick with it, it's not relevant. Yes, you
> can "get screwed" by this ordering, but its just as likely that the
> 'standard' one will cause you problems.
Yes, I can get screwed as easily, that isn't my point. My point is that
it is technically incorrect and could be confusing if you play the game on
3 different sites with 2 different rules.
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 22:05:01
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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On Dec 10 2006 9:09 PM, pokerchimp wrote:
> On Dec 10 2006 10:22 PM, Ron Sperber wrote:
>
> > pokerchimp wrote:
> > > Well, obviously I disagree. If Stars and Full Tilt (the other sites I
> > > know of with Razz), the WSOP and any other Razz game I've ever seen does
> > > it one way, it does make a difference to me.
> > >
> > > On Dec 10 2006 2:13 PM, Iceman wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>pokerchimp wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>I recently started playing on AP again, actually on a skin which gave
me a
> > >>>100% bonus and 28% RB.
> > >>>In any case, I am playing in a Razz tourney. It is not the first time
> > >>>I've played Razz on AP, not is it the first time I've emailed them about
> > >>>this.
> > >>>
> > >>>Thie high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two
cards
> > >>>of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
> > >>>example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
> > >>>forced bring in.
> > >>>
> > >>>Are there any other sites that do it this way? I have emailed them
about
> > >>>this when they first put razz on the site and again today. Of course
the
> > >>>first time I never got a response.
> > >>
> > >>The ranking of the suits is arbitrary anyway, and the fact that they do
> > >>it this way makes zero difference in the game.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
> > >
> > It's arbitrary. Since the suits have no effect on hand rankings, as long
> > as they pick an ordering and stick with it, it's not relevant. Yes, you
> > can "get screwed" by this ordering, but its just as likely that the
> > 'standard' one will cause you problems.
>
> Yes, I can get screwed as easily, that isn't my point. My point is that
> it is technically incorrect and could be confusing if you play the game on
> 3 different sites with 2 different rules.
How so? The software sorta tells you you have to bring it in. It isn't a
live game.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 00:12:58
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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I guess it is because I am OCD. IT's just wrong man, it's just sooooo
wrong. It should be the same everywhere. Maybe it's in Hoyles.
On Dec 11 2006 1:05 AM, FellKnight wrote:
> On Dec 10 2006 9:09 PM, pokerchimp wrote:
>
> > On Dec 10 2006 10:22 PM, Ron Sperber wrote:
> >
> > > pokerchimp wrote:
> > > > Well, obviously I disagree. If Stars and Full Tilt (the other sites I
> > > > know of with Razz), the WSOP and any other Razz game I've ever seen
does
> > > > it one way, it does make a difference to me.
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 10 2006 2:13 PM, Iceman wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>pokerchimp wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>I recently started playing on AP again, actually on a skin which gave
> me a
> > > >>>100% bonus and 28% RB.
> > > >>>In any case, I am playing in a Razz tourney. It is not the first time
> > > >>>I've played Razz on AP, not is it the first time I've emailed them
about
> > > >>>this.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Thie high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two
> cards
> > > >>>of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in.
For
> > > >>>example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
> > > >>>forced bring in.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Are there any other sites that do it this way? I have emailed them
> about
> > > >>>this when they first put razz on the site and again today. Of course
> the
> > > >>>first time I never got a response.
> > > >>
> > > >>The ranking of the suits is arbitrary anyway, and the fact that they do
> > > >>it this way makes zero difference in the game.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
> > > >
> > > It's arbitrary. Since the suits have no effect on hand rankings, as long
> > > as they pick an ordering and stick with it, it's not relevant. Yes, you
> > > can "get screwed" by this ordering, but its just as likely that the
> > > 'standard' one will cause you problems.
> >
> > Yes, I can get screwed as easily, that isn't my point. My point is that
> > it is technically incorrect and could be confusing if you play the game on
> > 3 different sites with 2 different rules.
>
> How so? The software sorta tells you you have to bring it in. It isn't a
> live game.
>
> Fell
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 11:07:21
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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pokerchimp wrote:
> I recently started playing on AP again, actually on a skin which gave me a
> 100% bonus and 28% RB.
> In any case, I am playing in a Razz tourney. It is not the first time
> I've played Razz on AP, not is it the first time I've emailed them about
> this.
>
> Thie high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two cards
> of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
> example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
> forced bring in.
>
> Are there any other sites that do it this way? I have emailed them about
> this when they first put razz on the site and again today. Of course the
> first time I never got a response.
Pretend this is their response if you don't get one:
It would be more trouble than it is worth to reprogram our software to
deal with something that is random and arbitrary and of no long-term
consequnces. You are no more likely to get the Kh than you are the Ks.
If you play Razz, you must EXPECT to suffer. Learn to do it in silence.
Keep paying us the rake.
Will in New Haven
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better."
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>
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 11:31:05
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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I only really noticed because it hurt me 3 times in the tourney, where I
was first to act after the wrong bring in and couldn't play possible
calling/raising hands because I was out of position.
On Dec 10 2006 2:07 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:
> pokerchimp wrote:
> > I recently started playing on AP again, actually on a skin which gave me a
> > 100% bonus and 28% RB.
> > In any case, I am playing in a Razz tourney. It is not the first time
> > I've played Razz on AP, not is it the first time I've emailed them about
> > this.
> >
> > Thie high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two cards
> > of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
> > example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
> > forced bring in.
> >
> > Are there any other sites that do it this way? I have emailed them about
> > this when they first put razz on the site and again today. Of course the
> > first time I never got a response.
>
> Pretend this is their response if you don't get one:
>
> It would be more trouble than it is worth to reprogram our software to
> deal with something that is random and arbitrary and of no long-term
> consequnces. You are no more likely to get the Kh than you are the Ks.
>
> If you play Razz, you must EXPECT to suffer. Learn to do it in silence.
>
>
> Keep paying us the rake.
>
> Will in New Haven
>
> --
>
> "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail
> better."
> Samuel Beckett, "Worstward Ho", 1983
>
> >
> > thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
> >
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Date: 10 Dec 18:54:07
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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Dieseldyke?
On Dec 10 2006 12:12 PM, pokerchimp wrote:
> I recently started playing on AP again, actually on a skin which gave me a
> 100% bonus and 28% RB.
> In any case, I am playing in a Razz tourney. It is not the first time
> I've played Razz on AP, not is it the first time I've emailed them about
> this.
>
> Thie high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two cards
> of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
> example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
> forced bring in.
>
> Are there any other sites that do it this way? I have emailed them about
> this when they first put razz on the site and again today. Of course the
> first time I never got a response.
>
> thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 11:10:25
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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Had to change my name from my AP log in
On Dec 10 2006 1:54 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
> Dieseldyke?
>
>
> On Dec 10 2006 12:12 PM, pokerchimp wrote:
>
> > I recently started playing on AP again, actually on a skin which gave me a
> > 100% bonus and 28% RB.
> > In any case, I am playing in a Razz tourney. It is not the first time
> > I've played Razz on AP, not is it the first time I've emailed them about
> > this.
> >
> > Thie high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two cards
> > of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
> > example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
> > forced bring in.
> >
> > Are there any other sites that do it this way? I have emailed them about
> > this when they first put razz on the site and again today. Of course the
> > first time I never got a response.
> >
> > thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 11:29:52
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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On Dec 10 2006 11:12 AM, pokerchimp wrote:
> I recently started playing on AP again, actually on a skin which gave me a
> 100% bonus and 28% RB.
> In any case, I am playing in a Razz tourney. It is not the first time
> I've played Razz on AP, not is it the first time I've emailed them about
> this.
>
> Thie high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two cards
> of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
> example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
> forced bring in.
>
> Are there any other sites that do it this way? I have emailed them about
> this when they first put razz on the site and again today. Of course the
> first time I never got a response.
>
> thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
Shrug. Doesn't make any difference in play as long as it is consistant.
Fell
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 13:41:06
From: Mark B \(Diputsur\)
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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"pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com > wrote in message
news:s8vt44xcuq.ln2@recgroups.com...
>I recently started playing on AP again, actually on a skin which gave me a
> 100% bonus and 28% RB.
> In any case, I am playing in a Razz tourney. It is not the first time
> I've played Razz on AP, not is it the first time I've emailed them about
> this.
>
> Thie high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two cards
> of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
> example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
> forced bring in.
That's the way it's supposed to be done, and it should be specified
in the rules for the game. Order of suits (from high to low) being:
Spades, Hearts, Diamonds, Clubs.
> Are there any other sites that do it this way?
If there are any that don't, then they're doing it incorrectly.
That's a standard rule for Razz.
Mark
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 14:57:09
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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Where have you found this standard written. If you do a google search (I
went 3 pages in, I think I searched "razz bring in ranking" I found
evidence that this is not a standard, but is much more common.
Wikpedia says that sometimes diamonds is ranked as the lowest instead of
clubs.
On this site http://www.thepokerproject.com/rules/razzrules.html , If two
or more players share the highest card, the one closest to the dealer's
left side must bring in.
Most of the sites just say High card brings it in without defining the
high card.
On Dec 11 2006 1:41 PM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
> "pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:s8vt44xcuq.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >I recently started playing on AP again, actually on a skin which gave me a
> > 100% bonus and 28% RB.
> > In any case, I am playing in a Razz tourney. It is not the first time
> > I've played Razz on AP, not is it the first time I've emailed them about
> > this.
> >
> > Thie high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two cards
> > of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
> > example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
> > forced bring in.
>
> That's the way it's supposed to be done, and it should be specified
> in the rules for the game. Order of suits (from high to low) being:
> Spades, Hearts, Diamonds, Clubs.
>
> > Are there any other sites that do it this way?
>
> If there are any that don't, then they're doing it incorrectly.
> That's a standard rule for Razz.
>
> Mark
> ---
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 18:38:52
From: Mark B \(Diputsur\)
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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"pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com > wrote in message
news:5b4154xah1.ln2@recgroups.com...
> Where have you found this standard written. If you do a google search (I
> went 3 pages in, I think I searched "razz bring in ranking" I found
> evidence that this is not a standard, but is much more common.
If I told you, you'd laugh at me ... :-(
Oh ok, I'll tell you anyway: Helmuth's Play Poker like the Pro's.
I'm going to check hoyle's for you when I get home, but I don't
recall if Razz was covered.
Try googling: Razz "bring in" suit
you may get better results.
>
> Wikpedia says that sometimes diamonds is ranked as the lowest instead of
> clubs.
Depends on the game. Razz goes by 'bridge' order.
>
> On this site http://www.thepokerproject.com/rules/razzrules.html , If two
> or more players share the highest card, the one closest to the dealer's
> left side must bring in.
That's wrong.
>
> Most of the sites just say High card brings it in without defining the
> high card.
The good ones do...
www.pokerstars.com/poker/games/razz/
www.fulltiltpoker.com/razzComp.php
www.ultimatebet.com/rules-strategy/razz.html
Just work on those googling skills ;-)
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> On Dec 11 2006 1:41 PM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
>
>> "pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:s8vt44xcuq.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> >I recently started playing on AP again, actually on a skin which gave me a
>> > 100% bonus and 28% RB.
>> > In any case, I am playing in a Razz tourney. It is not the first time
>> > I've played Razz on AP, not is it the first time I've emailed them about
>> > this.
>> >
>> > Thie high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two
>> > cards
>> > of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
>> > example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
>> > forced bring in.
>>
>> That's the way it's supposed to be done, and it should be specified
>> in the rules for the game. Order of suits (from high to low) being:
>> Spades, Hearts, Diamonds, Clubs.
>>
>> > Are there any other sites that do it this way?
>>
>> If there are any that don't, then they're doing it incorrectly.
>> That's a standard rule for Razz.
>>
>> Mark
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 18:47:10
From: Mark B \(Diputsur\)
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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"Mark B (Diputsur)" <diputsur@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:457deaac$0$27426$25e83c3@news.inteliport.com...
> "pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:5b4154xah1.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> Where have you found this standard written. If you do a google search (I
>> went 3 pages in, I think I searched "razz bring in ranking" I found
>> evidence that this is not a standard, but is much more common.
>
> If I told you, you'd laugh at me ... :-(
> Oh ok, I'll tell you anyway: Helmuth's Play Poker like the Pro's.
> I'm going to check hoyle's for you when I get home, but I don't
> recall if Razz was covered.
>
> Try googling: Razz "bring in" suit
> you may get better results.
>
>
>
>>
>> Wikpedia says that sometimes diamonds is ranked as the lowest instead of
>> clubs.
>
> Depends on the game. Razz goes by 'bridge' order.
>
>>
>> On this site http://www.thepokerproject.com/rules/razzrules.html , If two
>> or more players share the highest card, the one closest to the dealer's
>> left side must bring in.
>
> That's wrong.
>
>>
>> Most of the sites just say High card brings it in without defining the
>> high card.
>
> The good ones do...
> www.pokerstars.com/poker/games/razz/
> www.fulltiltpoker.com/razzComp.php
> www.ultimatebet.com/rules-strategy/razz.html
http://www.cardplayer.com/rules_of_poker/razz
One more link for the list... you may trust that
one more than rules listed at online sites.
HTH,
Mark
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>
> Just work on those googling skills ;-)
>
> Mark
> --
> www.myspace.com/diputsur
>
>
>> On Dec 11 2006 1:41 PM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
>>
>>> "pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:s8vt44xcuq.ln2@recgroups.com...
>>> >I recently started playing on AP again, actually on a skin which gave me
>>> >a
>>> > 100% bonus and 28% RB.
>>> > In any case, I am playing in a Razz tourney. It is not the first time
>>> > I've played Razz on AP, not is it the first time I've emailed them about
>>> > this.
>>> >
>>> > Thie high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two
>>> > cards
>>> > of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
>>> > example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
>>> > forced bring in.
>>>
>>> That's the way it's supposed to be done, and it should be specified
>>> in the rules for the game. Order of suits (from high to low) being:
>>> Spades, Hearts, Diamonds, Clubs.
>>>
>>> > Are there any other sites that do it this way?
>>>
>>> If there are any that don't, then they're doing it incorrectly.
>>> That's a standard rule for Razz.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> ---
>>> www.myspace.com
>>
>>
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 15:58:30
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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On Dec 11 2006 6:47 PM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
> "Mark B (Diputsur)" <diputsur@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:457deaac$0$27426$25e83c3@news.inteliport.com...
> > "pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:5b4154xah1.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> Where have you found this standard written. If you do a google search (I
> >> went 3 pages in, I think I searched "razz bring in ranking" I found
> >> evidence that this is not a standard, but is much more common.
> >
> > If I told you, you'd laugh at me ... :-(
> > Oh ok, I'll tell you anyway: Helmuth's Play Poker like the Pro's.
> > I'm going to check hoyle's for you when I get home, but I don't
> > recall if Razz was covered.
> >
> > Try googling: Razz "bring in" suit
> > you may get better results.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Wikpedia says that sometimes diamonds is ranked as the lowest instead of
> >> clubs.
> >
> > Depends on the game. Razz goes by 'bridge' order.
> >
> >>
> >> On this site http://www.thepokerproject.com/rules/razzrules.html , If two
> >> or more players share the highest card, the one closest to the dealer's
> >> left side must bring in.
> >
> > That's wrong.
> >
> >>
> >> Most of the sites just say High card brings it in without defining the
> >> high card.
> >
> > The good ones do...
> > www.pokerstars.com/poker/games/razz/
> > www.fulltiltpoker.com/razzComp.php
> > www.ultimatebet.com/rules-strategy/razz.html
>
> http://www.cardplayer.com/rules_of_poker/razz
>
> One more link for the list... you may trust that
> one more than rules listed at online sites.
>
> HTH,
> Mark
> --
> www.myspace.com/diputsur
>
Also pokerzone.com
Roberts rules confirms the high card brings it in, but doesn't specify the
high cards.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Just work on those googling skills ;-)
> >
> > Mark
> > --
> > www.myspace.com/diputsur
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 11 2006 1:41 PM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
> >>
> >>> "pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:s8vt44xcuq.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >>> >I recently started playing on AP again, actually on a skin which gave
me
> >>> >a
> >>> > 100% bonus and 28% RB.
> >>> > In any case, I am playing in a Razz tourney. It is not the first time
> >>> > I've played Razz on AP, not is it the first time I've emailed them
about
> >>> > this.
> >>> >
> >>> > Thie high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two
> >>> > cards
> >>> > of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
> >>> > example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
> >>> > forced bring in.
> >>>
> >>> That's the way it's supposed to be done, and it should be specified
> >>> in the rules for the game. Order of suits (from high to low) being:
> >>> Spades, Hearts, Diamonds, Clubs.
> >>>
> >>> > Are there any other sites that do it this way?
> >>>
> >>> If there are any that don't, then they're doing it incorrectly.
> >>> That's a standard rule for Razz.
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>> ---
> >>> www.myspace.com
> >>
> >>
> >> thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
> >>
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 07:51:10
From: David Nicoson
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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Ron Sperber wrote:
> It's arbitrary. Since the suits have no effect on hand rankings, as long
> as they pick an ordering and stick with it, it's not relevant. Yes, you
> can "get screwed" by this ordering, but its just as likely that the
> 'standard' one will cause you problems.
*sigh*
First off, do you recognize there's a difference between hearts and
spades?
The king of spades is different than the king of hearts. Right?
So, logically, the 5 of spades is different than the five of hearts.
Therefore, this bring-in method is not what we were quoted in the
rules.
[This has been an attempt at a joke. If you are successfully trolled,
it's your own damn fault. I'm telling you now that I'm not serious.]
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 05:30:17
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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On Dec 10 2006 12:12 PM, pokerchimp wrote:
> Thie high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two cards
> of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
> example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
> forced bring in.
>
This is the way Party did it, and I wasn't aware it was done differently.
I used to think that sitting to the right of the dealer would cut down on
the number of bring ins since another matching low card would force that
person to bring it in.
By suit seems more equitable to me.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 09:58:20
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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I spent about 45 minutes last night researching this and then I lost the
post, got po'ed and went to bed.
There are basically 2 issues...what is the bring in? and how are cards
ranked by suit. I was very surprised that there were a few answers to
each question. The majority including, if I remember correctly, UC
Bereley, Stars, Tilt, SSi, Caro, agree that the bring in is the highest
card in the deck according to suit, and that spades is the highest suit
followed by hearts, diamonds and clubs.
Very few sites stated that the proper method was closest to the button.
Fewer had the ranking of suits in different order. I was surprised to find
any variety. Interesting.
On Dec 11 2006 8:30 AM, Will_gamble wrote:
> On Dec 10 2006 12:12 PM, pokerchimp wrote:
>
> > Thie high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two cards
> > of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
> > example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
> > forced bring in.
> >
> This is the way Party did it, and I wasn't aware it was done differently.
>
> I used to think that sitting to the right of the dealer would cut down on
> the number of bring ins since another matching low card would force that
> person to bring it in.
>
> By suit seems more equitable to me.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 08:24:40
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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On Dec 11 2006 6:30 AM, Will_gamble wrote:
> On Dec 10 2006 12:12 PM, pokerchimp wrote:
>
> > Thie high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two cards
> > of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
> > example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
> > forced bring in.
> >
> This is the way Party did it, and I wasn't aware it was done differently.
Party didn't have Razz. It's different in Stud and Razz.
> I used to think that sitting to the right of the dealer would cut down on
> the number of bring ins since another matching low card would force that
> person to bring it in.
>
> By suit seems more equitable to me.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 19:31:07
From: Mark B (Diputsur)
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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pokerchimp wrote:
> On Dec 11 2006 6:47 PM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
>
> > "Mark B (Diputsur)" <diputsur@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:457deaac$0$27426$25e83c3@news.inteliport.com...
> > > "pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:5b4154xah1.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > >> Where have you found this standard written. If you do a google search (I
> > >> went 3 pages in, I think I searched "razz bring in ranking" I found
> > >> evidence that this is not a standard, but is much more common.
> > >
> > > If I told you, you'd laugh at me ... :-(
> > > Oh ok, I'll tell you anyway: Helmuth's Play Poker like the Pro's.
> > > I'm going to check hoyle's for you when I get home, but I don't
> > > recall if Razz was covered.
> > >
> > > Try googling: Razz "bring in" suit
> > > you may get better results.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Wikpedia says that sometimes diamonds is ranked as the lowest instead of
> > >> clubs.
> > >
> > > Depends on the game. Razz goes by 'bridge' order.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> On this site http://www.thepokerproject.com/rules/razzrules.html , If two
> > >> or more players share the highest card, the one closest to the dealer's
> > >> left side must bring in.
> > >
> > > That's wrong.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Most of the sites just say High card brings it in without defining the
> > >> high card.
> > >
> > > The good ones do...
> > > www.pokerstars.com/poker/games/razz/
> > > www.fulltiltpoker.com/razzComp.php
> > > www.ultimatebet.com/rules-strategy/razz.html
> >
> > http://www.cardplayer.com/rules_of_poker/razz
> >
> > One more link for the list... you may trust that
> > one more than rules listed at online sites.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Mark
> > --
> > www.myspace.com/diputsur
> >
> Also pokerzone.com
> Roberts rules confirms the high card brings it in, but doesn't specify the
> high cards.
You lost me with that statement... did you mean suits?
>From Robert's rules, specific to Razz:
3. The highest card by suit starts the action with a forced bet ...
Then, in the "General Rule's" section you'll find:
TIES
1. The ranking of suits from highest to lowest is spades, hearts,
diamonds, clubs. Suits never break a tie for winning a pot. Suits
are used only in stud and then only to break a tie between cards
of the same rank (no redeal or redraw).
It's all there, you just have to jump around to find it ;-)
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 20:10:20
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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Thanks for that from Robert's Rules. I hadn't seen that section. And yes
that's what I meant. I'm going to send that to Absolute.
On Dec 11 2006 10:31 PM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
> pokerchimp wrote:
> > On Dec 11 2006 6:47 PM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
> >
> > > "Mark B (Diputsur)" <diputsur@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:457deaac$0$27426$25e83c3@news.inteliport.com...
> > > > "pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:5b4154xah1.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > > >> Where have you found this standard written. If you do a google
search (I
> > > >> went 3 pages in, I think I searched "razz bring in ranking" I found
> > > >> evidence that this is not a standard, but is much more common.
> > > >
> > > > If I told you, you'd laugh at me ... :-(
> > > > Oh ok, I'll tell you anyway: Helmuth's Play Poker like the Pro's.
> > > > I'm going to check hoyle's for you when I get home, but I don't
> > > > recall if Razz was covered.
> > > >
> > > > Try googling: Razz "bring in" suit
> > > > you may get better results.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Wikpedia says that sometimes diamonds is ranked as the lowest instead
of
> > > >> clubs.
> > > >
> > > > Depends on the game. Razz goes by 'bridge' order.
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> On this site http://www.thepokerproject.com/rules/razzrules.html , If
two
> > > >> or more players share the highest card, the one closest to the
dealer's
> > > >> left side must bring in.
> > > >
> > > > That's wrong.
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Most of the sites just say High card brings it in without defining the
> > > >> high card.
> > > >
> > > > The good ones do...
> > > > www.pokerstars.com/poker/games/razz/
> > > > www.fulltiltpoker.com/razzComp.php
> > > > www.ultimatebet.com/rules-strategy/razz.html
> > >
> > > http://www.cardplayer.com/rules_of_poker/razz
> > >
> > > One more link for the list... you may trust that
> > > one more than rules listed at online sites.
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > > Mark
> > > --
> > > www.myspace.com/diputsur
> > >
> > Also pokerzone.com
> > Roberts rules confirms the high card brings it in, but doesn't specify the
> > high cards.
>
> You lost me with that statement... did you mean suits?
>
> >From Robert's rules, specific to Razz:
> 3. The highest card by suit starts the action with a forced bet ...
>
> Then, in the "General Rule's" section you'll find:
> TIES
> 1. The ranking of suits from highest to lowest is spades, hearts,
> diamonds, clubs. Suits never break a tie for winning a pot. Suits
> are used only in stud and then only to break a tie between cards
> of the same rank (no redeal or redraw).
>
> It's all there, you just have to jump around to find it ;-)
>
> Mark
> ---
> www.myspace.com/diputsur
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 20:12:49
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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On Dec 11 2006 9:10 PM, pokerchimp wrote:
> Thanks for that from Robert's Rules. I hadn't seen that section. And yes
> that's what I meant. I'm going to send that to Absolute.
I'll lay 10-1 that they either don't understand or don't give a shit.
You should probably not give a shit either.
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Date: 11 Dec 2006 21:07:12
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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I am passionate about few things. but this is one of them. I am going to
mount a daily campaign until they fix it. I want to see if I can
instigate change in the world.
On Dec 11 2006 11:12 PM, FellKnight wrote:
> On Dec 11 2006 9:10 PM, pokerchimp wrote:
>
> > Thanks for that from Robert's Rules. I hadn't seen that section. And yes
> > that's what I meant. I'm going to send that to Absolute.
>
> I'll lay 10-1 that they either don't understand or don't give a shit.
>
> You should probably not give a shit either.
>
> Fell
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 11:44:15
From: Mark B \(Diputsur\)
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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"pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com > wrote in message
news:cmm154xle2.ln2@recgroups.com...
> Thanks for that from Robert's Rules. I hadn't seen that section. And yes
> that's what I meant. I'm going to send that to Absolute.
Now I'm lost. You're going to send it to Absolute? Why?
Looking back at your OP:
"The high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two cards
of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
forced bring in."
That's exactly what is supposed to happen... the correct procedure.
What's the problem? Oh fuck, I get it... you think the spade should
bring it in??? No. Highest card, weakest suit is the bring in.
Standard rules for Razz.
HTH,
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> On Dec 11 2006 10:31 PM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
>
>> pokerchimp wrote:
>> > On Dec 11 2006 6:47 PM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
>> >
>> > > "Mark B (Diputsur)" <diputsur@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:457deaac$0$27426$25e83c3@news.inteliport.com...
>> > > > "pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > > > news:5b4154xah1.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > > >> Where have you found this standard written. If you do a google
> search (I
>> > > >> went 3 pages in, I think I searched "razz bring in ranking" I found
>> > > >> evidence that this is not a standard, but is much more common.
>> > > >
>> > > > If I told you, you'd laugh at me ... :-(
>> > > > Oh ok, I'll tell you anyway: Helmuth's Play Poker like the Pro's.
>> > > > I'm going to check hoyle's for you when I get home, but I don't
>> > > > recall if Razz was covered.
>> > > >
>> > > > Try googling: Razz "bring in" suit
>> > > > you may get better results.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Wikpedia says that sometimes diamonds is ranked as the lowest
>> > > >> instead
> of
>> > > >> clubs.
>> > > >
>> > > > Depends on the game. Razz goes by 'bridge' order.
>> > > >
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On this site http://www.thepokerproject.com/rules/razzrules.html ,
>> > > >> If
> two
>> > > >> or more players share the highest card, the one closest to the
> dealer's
>> > > >> left side must bring in.
>> > > >
>> > > > That's wrong.
>> > > >
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Most of the sites just say High card brings it in without defining
>> > > >> the
>> > > >> high card.
>> > > >
>> > > > The good ones do...
>> > > > www.pokerstars.com/poker/games/razz/
>> > > > www.fulltiltpoker.com/razzComp.php
>> > > > www.ultimatebet.com/rules-strategy/razz.html
>> > >
>> > > http://www.cardplayer.com/rules_of_poker/razz
>> > >
>> > > One more link for the list... you may trust that
>> > > one more than rules listed at online sites.
>> > >
>> > > HTH,
>> > > Mark
>> > > --
>> > > www.myspace.com/diputsur
>> > >
>> > Also pokerzone.com
>> > Roberts rules confirms the high card brings it in, but doesn't specify
>> > the
>> > high cards.
>>
>> You lost me with that statement... did you mean suits?
>>
>> >From Robert's rules, specific to Razz:
>> 3. The highest card by suit starts the action with a forced bet ...
>>
>> Then, in the "General Rule's" section you'll find:
>> TIES
>> 1. The ranking of suits from highest to lowest is spades, hearts,
>> diamonds, clubs. Suits never break a tie for winning a pot. Suits
>> are used only in stud and then only to break a tie between cards
>> of the same rank (no redeal or redraw).
>>
>> It's all there, you just have to jump around to find it ;-)
>>
>> Mark
>> ---
>> www.myspace.com/diputsur
>
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 11:51:12
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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Mark you are totally incorrect. From your own post quoting from Robert's
Rules. The ace of spades brings it in.
3. The highest card by suit starts the action with a forced bet ...
Then, in the "General Rule's" section you'll find:
TIES
1. The ranking of suits from highest to lowest is spades, hearts,
diamonds, clubs. Suits never break a tie for winning a pot. Suits
are used only in stud and then only to break a tie between cards
of the same rank (no redeal or redraw).
It's all there, you just have to jump around to find it
Mark
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On Dec 12 2006 11:44 AM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
> "pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:cmm154xle2.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > Thanks for that from Robert's Rules. I hadn't seen that section. And yes
> > that's what I meant. I'm going to send that to Absolute.
>
> Now I'm lost. You're going to send it to Absolute? Why?
> Looking back at your OP:
> "The high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two cards
> of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
> example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
> forced bring in."
>
> That's exactly what is supposed to happen... the correct procedure.
> What's the problem? Oh fuck, I get it... you think the spade should
> bring it in??? No. Highest card, weakest suit is the bring in.
> Standard rules for Razz.
>
> HTH,
> Mark
> --
> www.myspace.com/diputsur
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 11 2006 10:31 PM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
> >
> >> pokerchimp wrote:
> >> > On Dec 11 2006 6:47 PM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > "Mark B (Diputsur)" <diputsur@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > > news:457deaac$0$27426$25e83c3@news.inteliport.com...
> >> > > > "pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> > > > news:5b4154xah1.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> > > >> Where have you found this standard written. If you do a google
> > search (I
> >> > > >> went 3 pages in, I think I searched "razz bring in ranking" I found
> >> > > >> evidence that this is not a standard, but is much more common.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If I told you, you'd laugh at me ... :-(
> >> > > > Oh ok, I'll tell you anyway: Helmuth's Play Poker like the Pro's.
> >> > > > I'm going to check hoyle's for you when I get home, but I don't
> >> > > > recall if Razz was covered.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Try googling: Razz "bring in" suit
> >> > > > you may get better results.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Wikpedia says that sometimes diamonds is ranked as the lowest
> >> > > >> instead
> > of
> >> > > >> clubs.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Depends on the game. Razz goes by 'bridge' order.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> On this site http://www.thepokerproject.com/rules/razzrules.html ,
> >> > > >> If
> > two
> >> > > >> or more players share the highest card, the one closest to the
> > dealer's
> >> > > >> left side must bring in.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > That's wrong.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Most of the sites just say High card brings it in without defining
> >> > > >> the
> >> > > >> high card.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The good ones do...
> >> > > > www.pokerstars.com/poker/games/razz/
> >> > > > www.fulltiltpoker.com/razzComp.php
> >> > > > www.ultimatebet.com/rules-strategy/razz.html
> >> > >
> >> > > http://www.cardplayer.com/rules_of_poker/razz
> >> > >
> >> > > One more link for the list... you may trust that
> >> > > one more than rules listed at online sites.
> >> > >
> >> > > HTH,
> >> > > Mark
> >> > > --
> >> > > www.myspace.com/diputsur
> >> > >
> >> > Also pokerzone.com
> >> > Roberts rules confirms the high card brings it in, but doesn't specify
> >> > the
> >> > high cards.
> >>
> >> You lost me with that statement... did you mean suits?
> >>
> >> >From Robert's rules, specific to Razz:
> >> 3. The highest card by suit starts the action with a forced bet ...
> >>
> >> Then, in the "General Rule's" section you'll find:
> >> TIES
> >> 1. The ranking of suits from highest to lowest is spades, hearts,
> >> diamonds, clubs. Suits never break a tie for winning a pot. Suits
> >> are used only in stud and then only to break a tie between cards
> >> of the same rank (no redeal or redraw).
> >>
> >> It's all there, you just have to jump around to find it ;-)
> >>
> >> Mark
> >> ---
> >> www.myspace.com/diputsur
> >
> >
> > thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
> >
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 12:36:29
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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Sorry, I meant to post that to mark
On Dec 12 2006 2:51 PM, pokerchimp wrote:
> Mark you are totally incorrect. From your own post quoting from Robert's
> Rules. The ace of spades brings it in.
>
>
> 3. The highest card by suit starts the action with a forced bet ...
>
> Then, in the "General Rule's" section you'll find:
> TIES
> 1. The ranking of suits from highest to lowest is spades, hearts,
> diamonds, clubs. Suits never break a tie for winning a pot. Suits
> are used only in stud and then only to break a tie between cards
> of the same rank (no redeal or redraw).
>
> It's all there, you just have to jump around to find it
>
> Mark
> ---
> On Dec 12 2006 11:44 AM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
>
> > "pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:cmm154xle2.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > > Thanks for that from Robert's Rules. I hadn't seen that section. And
yes
> > > that's what I meant. I'm going to send that to Absolute.
> >
> > Now I'm lost. You're going to send it to Absolute? Why?
> > Looking back at your OP:
> > "The high card in Razz is supposed to be the bring in, yet, when two cards
> > of the same rank are showing, AP makes the lower suit bring it in. For
> > example, K of Spades and K of Hearts both showing. K of hearts is the
> > forced bring in."
> >
> > That's exactly what is supposed to happen... the correct procedure.
> > What's the problem? Oh fuck, I get it... you think the spade should
> > bring it in??? No. Highest card, weakest suit is the bring in.
> > Standard rules for Razz.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Mark
> > --
> > www.myspace.com/diputsur
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 11 2006 10:31 PM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
> > >
> > >> pokerchimp wrote:
> > >> > On Dec 11 2006 6:47 PM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > "Mark B (Diputsur)" <diputsur@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> > > news:457deaac$0$27426$25e83c3@news.inteliport.com...
> > >> > > > "pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com> wrote in message
> > >> > > > news:5b4154xah1.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > >> > > >> Where have you found this standard written. If you do a google
> > > search (I
> > >> > > >> went 3 pages in, I think I searched "razz bring in ranking" I
found
> > >> > > >> evidence that this is not a standard, but is much more common.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > If I told you, you'd laugh at me ... :-(
> > >> > > > Oh ok, I'll tell you anyway: Helmuth's Play Poker like the Pro's.
> > >> > > > I'm going to check hoyle's for you when I get home, but I don't
> > >> > > > recall if Razz was covered.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Try googling: Razz "bring in" suit
> > >> > > > you may get better results.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> Wikpedia says that sometimes diamonds is ranked as the lowest
> > >> > > >> instead
> > > of
> > >> > > >> clubs.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Depends on the game. Razz goes by 'bridge' order.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> On this site http://www.thepokerproject.com/rules/razzrules.html
,
> > >> > > >> If
> > > two
> > >> > > >> or more players share the highest card, the one closest to the
> > > dealer's
> > >> > > >> left side must bring in.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > That's wrong.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> Most of the sites just say High card brings it in without
defining
> > >> > > >> the
> > >> > > >> high card.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > The good ones do...
> > >> > > > www.pokerstars.com/poker/games/razz/
> > >> > > > www.fulltiltpoker.com/razzComp.php
> > >> > > > www.ultimatebet.com/rules-strategy/razz.html
> > >> > >
> > >> > > http://www.cardplayer.com/rules_of_poker/razz
> > >> > >
> > >> > > One more link for the list... you may trust that
> > >> > > one more than rules listed at online sites.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > HTH,
> > >> > > Mark
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > www.myspace.com/diputsur
> > >> > >
> > >> > Also pokerzone.com
> > >> > Roberts rules confirms the high card brings it in, but doesn't
specify
> > >> > the
> > >> > high cards.
> > >>
> > >> You lost me with that statement... did you mean suits?
> > >>
> > >> >From Robert's rules, specific to Razz:
> > >> 3. The highest card by suit starts the action with a forced bet ...
> > >>
> > >> Then, in the "General Rule's" section you'll find:
> > >> TIES
> > >> 1. The ranking of suits from highest to lowest is spades, hearts,
> > >> diamonds, clubs. Suits never break a tie for winning a pot. Suits
> > >> are used only in stud and then only to break a tie between cards
> > >> of the same rank (no redeal or redraw).
> > >>
> > >> It's all there, you just have to jump around to find it ;-)
> > >>
> > >> Mark
> > >> ---
> > >> www.myspace.com/diputsur
> > >
> > >
> > > thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
> > >
>
>
> thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 15:08:31
From: Mark B \(Diputsur\)
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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"pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com > wrote in message
news:gqd354x585.ln2@recgroups.com...
> Mark you are totally incorrect. From your own post quoting from Robert's
> Rules. The ace of spades brings it in.
You interpret it differently than me... and Helmuth explained
it more cleanly than it is laid out in RR. I've only played Razz
on Absolute and FTP, both of which bring in based on bridge
order, weakest is the forced bet. UB according to the rules
stated on their webiste also follows this same convention...
I think maybe it's your interpretation that's flawed.
Stupid question time: what site does it differently?
Is there a site that forces the spade to bring in?
Mark
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 13:26:09
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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On Dec 12 2006 3:08 PM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
> "pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:gqd354x585.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > Mark you are totally incorrect. From your own post quoting from Robert's
> > Rules. The ace of spades brings it in.
>
> You interpret it differently than me... and Helmuth explained
> it more cleanly than it is laid out in RR. I've only played Razz
> on Absolute and FTP, both of which bring in based on bridge
> order, weakest is the forced bet. UB according to the rules
> stated on their webiste also follows this same convention...
> I think maybe it's your interpretation that's flawed.
>
> Stupid question time: what site does it differently?
> Is there a site that forces the spade to bring in?
>
> Mark
> --
> www.myspace.com/diputsur
Mark, you can read all through the thread. I've explained it and showed
examples several times. On Stars and Full Tilt, the spade will bring it
in. When I dealt at Binion's Horshoe in the WSOP the spade would bring it
in.
Here is a quote from UBs rules
To begin, each player antes up. A total of three cards are dealt to each
player – two of the cards are dealt face down and one is dealt face up.
Action begins on the player with the highest face-up card. If two players
or more are tied with the same card, the fist to act will be the player
with the highest suit according to the following order (highest to
lowest): spades, hearts, diamonds and clubs. This player may either act,
fold, or place the Bring-In amount (a forced bet).
I would bet you all the money I have in the world that Phil Hellmuth did
not ever state that the club would bring it in vs the spade when it is a
tie in Razz. Just no way he says that.
Why would the weakest (lowest) card, which I thinnk we agree is the club,
bring it in in a game where the high card is the worst card?
Are u high today or what? A lot of your posts don't make sense. Your
reading comprehension is very off today.
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 17:07:44
From: Mark B \(Diputsur\)
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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"pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com > wrote in message
news:hcj354xbh5.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 12 2006 3:08 PM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
>
>> "pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:gqd354x585.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > Mark you are totally incorrect. From your own post quoting from Robert's
>> > Rules. The ace of spades brings it in.
>>
>> You interpret it differently than me... and Helmuth explained
>> it more cleanly than it is laid out in RR. I've only played Razz
>> on Absolute and FTP, both of which bring in based on bridge
>> order, weakest is the forced bet. UB according to the rules
>> stated on their webiste also follows this same convention...
>> I think maybe it's your interpretation that's flawed.
>>
>> Stupid question time: what site does it differently?
>> Is there a site that forces the spade to bring in?
>>
>> Mark
>> --
>> www.myspace.com/diputsur
>
> Mark, you can read all through the thread. I've explained it and showed
> examples several times.
I need it explained one more time...
only 6 hours worth of sleep since Sunday.
> On Stars and Full Tilt, the spade will bring it in.
I've provided you with links yesterday from Stars, FTP, and UB,
all of which very clearly state: The spade will bring it in.
What part of that don't you under... under... umm, wait a minute.
> When I dealt at Binion's Horshoe in the WSOP the spade would bring it
> in.
Well duh, it's supposed to! :-)
> Here is a quote from UBs rules
> To begin, each player antes up. A total of three cards are dealt to each
> player - two of the cards are dealt face down and one is dealt face up.
> Action begins on the player with the highest face-up card. If two players
> or more are tied with the same card, the fist to act will be the player
> with the highest suit according to the following order (highest to
> lowest): spades, hearts, diamonds and clubs. This player may either act,
> fold, or place the Bring-In amount (a forced bet).
>
> I would bet you all the money I have in the world that Phil Hellmuth did
> not ever state that the club would bring it in vs the spade when it is a
> tie in Razz. Just no way he says that.
He did state 'AN' order ;-) I'm obviously getting it backwards.
Guess I gotta go listen to that damn audiobook again... it
obviously didn't stick as well as I thought.
> Why would the weakest (lowest) card, which I thinnk we agree is the club,
> bring it in in a game where the high card is the worst card?
>
> Are u high today or what? A lot of your posts don't make sense. Your
> reading comprehension is very off today.
I blame it on the lack of sleep... and blind trust in absolute's software.
I did post the appropriate links, just didn't read them thoroughly myself ;-)
Mark
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 14:33:51
From: pokerchimp
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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roflmao...you are usually so sane
On Dec 12 2006 5:07 PM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
> "pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:hcj354xbh5.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Dec 12 2006 3:08 PM, Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
> >
> >> "pokerchimp" <mixthing@se.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> news:gqd354x585.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> > Mark you are totally incorrect. From your own post quoting from
Robert's
> >> > Rules. The ace of spades brings it in.
> >>
> >> You interpret it differently than me... and Helmuth explained
> >> it more cleanly than it is laid out in RR. I've only played Razz
> >> on Absolute and FTP, both of which bring in based on bridge
> >> order, weakest is the forced bet. UB according to the rules
> >> stated on their webiste also follows this same convention...
> >> I think maybe it's your interpretation that's flawed.
> >>
> >> Stupid question time: what site does it differently?
> >> Is there a site that forces the spade to bring in?
> >>
> >> Mark
> >> --
> >> www.myspace.com/diputsur
> >
> > Mark, you can read all through the thread. I've explained it and showed
> > examples several times.
>
> I need it explained one more time...
> only 6 hours worth of sleep since Sunday.
>
> > On Stars and Full Tilt, the spade will bring it in.
>
> I've provided you with links yesterday from Stars, FTP, and UB,
> all of which very clearly state: The spade will bring it in.
> What part of that don't you under... under... umm, wait a minute.
>
> > When I dealt at Binion's Horshoe in the WSOP the spade would bring it
> > in.
>
> Well duh, it's supposed to! :-)
>
> > Here is a quote from UBs rules
> > To begin, each player antes up. A total of three cards are dealt to each
> > player - two of the cards are dealt face down and one is dealt face up.
> > Action begins on the player with the highest face-up card. If two players
> > or more are tied with the same card, the fist to act will be the player
> > with the highest suit according to the following order (highest to
> > lowest): spades, hearts, diamonds and clubs. This player may either act,
> > fold, or place the Bring-In amount (a forced bet).
> >
> > I would bet you all the money I have in the world that Phil Hellmuth did
> > not ever state that the club would bring it in vs the spade when it is a
> > tie in Razz. Just no way he says that.
>
> He did state 'AN' order ;-) I'm obviously getting it backwards.
> Guess I gotta go listen to that damn audiobook again... it
> obviously didn't stick as well as I thought.
>
> > Why would the weakest (lowest) card, which I thinnk we agree is the club,
> > bring it in in a game where the high card is the worst card?
> >
> > Are u high today or what? A lot of your posts don't make sense. Your
> > reading comprehension is very off today.
>
> I blame it on the lack of sleep... and blind trust in absolute's software.
> I did post the appropriate links, just didn't read them thoroughly myself ;-)
>
> Mark
> --
> www.myspace.com/diputsur
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 11:03:34
From: David Nicoson
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
> In what game? Odd chip is supposed to be awarded to
> position closest to the button.
Do they even pass a button in a live stud game? I think I've played
stud twice in a casino, so I can't help.
> > so it's more complex
> > to write the rules for the bring-in without sharing a common definition
> > for ranking the suits.
>
> no shared definition... Razz is a stud game, rules specify that in case
> of a tie, Clubs bring it in before Diamonds, which bring it in before Hearts,
> which bring it in if tied with a Spade.
It's not the way in Robert's Rules. (I'm not saying that there's a
unique authority there. Can you quote another rule set?)
Robert's Rules, v6, 7CS:
8. When there is an odd chip in a pot, the chip goes to the high hand.
If two players split the pot by tying for both the high and the low,
the pot shall be split as evenly as possible, and the player with the
highest card by suit receives the odd chip. When making this
determination, all cards are used, not just the five cards used for the
final hand played.
9. When there is one odd chip in the high portion of the pot and two or
more high hands split all or half the pot, the odd chip goes to the
player with the high card by suit. When two or more low hands split
half the pot, the odd chip goes to the player with the low card by suit.
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 14:32:00
From: Mark B \(Diputsur\)
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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"David Nicoson" <bigdavex@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1165950214.031117.95480@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
> Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
>> In what game? Odd chip is supposed to be awarded to
>> position closest to the button.
>
> Do they even pass a button in a live stud game? I think I've played
> stud twice in a casino, so I can't help.
I would think either a button or the deck, but I don't know either.
I've only played stud online and in home games.
>> > so it's more complex
>> > to write the rules for the bring-in without sharing a common definition
>> > for ranking the suits.
>>
>> no shared definition... Razz is a stud game, rules specify that in case
>> of a tie, Clubs bring it in before Diamonds, which bring it in before
>> Hearts,
>> which bring it in if tied with a Spade.
>
> It's not the way in Robert's Rules. (I'm not saying that there's a
> unique authority there. Can you quote another rule set?)
No, I don't play a lot of stud either ;-)
I didn't refer to the rules when making that last post,
just went from the top of my head... but looking now
I can see From RR:
5. If two or more hands tie, an odd chip is awarded as follows:
In a button game, the first hand clockwise from the button gets the odd chip.
In a stud game, the odd chip is given to the highest card by suit in all high
games, and to the lowest card b y suit in all low games. (When making
this determination, all cards are used, not just the five cards that
constitute
the player's h and.)
There is a special section for stud, it is by suit, I didn't read that
initially. You are correct.
Mark
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 10:41:01
From: David Nicoson
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
> That's exactly what is supposed to happen... the correct procedure.
> What's the problem? Oh fuck, I get it... you think the spade should
> bring it in??? No. Highest card, weakest suit is the bring in.
> Standard rules for Razz.
Without making any statement regarding what is correct, I'd like to say
that seems counterintuitive to me. Once the rules establish a ranking
for the suits, I can't see making an exception for the bring-in. That
same ranking is used for awarding the odd chips, so it's more complex
to write the rules for the bring-in without sharing a common definition
for ranking the suits.
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 13:50:34
From: Mark B \(Diputsur\)
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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"David Nicoson" <bigdavex@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1165948861.459443.3680@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
> Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
>> That's exactly what is supposed to happen... the correct procedure.
>> What's the problem? Oh fuck, I get it... you think the spade should
>> bring it in??? No. Highest card, weakest suit is the bring in.
>> Standard rules for Razz.
>
> Without making any statement regarding what is correct, I'd like to say
> that seems counterintuitive to me. Once the rules establish a ranking
> for the suits, I can't see making an exception for the bring-in.
They don't and there is no exception. That's exactly what the
ranking of suits apply to, the bring in bet in a stud game.
> That same ranking is used for awarding the odd chips,
In what game? Odd chip is supposed to be awarded to
position closest to the button.
> so it's more complex
> to write the rules for the bring-in without sharing a common definition
> for ranking the suits.
no shared definition... Razz is a stud game, rules specify that in case
of a tie, Clubs bring it in before Diamonds, which bring it in before Hearts,
which bring it in if tied with a Spade.
Mark
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 13:26:01
From: DennisP
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
> Stupid question time: what site does it differently?
> Is there a site that forces the spade to bring in?
>
> Mark
> --
> www.myspace.com/diputsur
I believe she's saying Absolute. I haven't played there though.
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 16:48:49
From: Mark B \(Diputsur\)
Subject: Re: Absolute Razz Anomaly
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"DennisP" <dennis.picht@gmail.com > wrote in message
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>
> Mark B (Diputsur) wrote:
>
>> Stupid question time: what site does it differently?
>> Is there a site that forces the spade to bring in?
>>
>> Mark
>> --
>> www.myspace.com/diputsur
>
> I believe she's saying Absolute. I haven't played there though.
Maybe you missed this:
> I've only played Razz
> on Absolute and FTP, both of which bring in based on bridge
> order, weakest is the forced bet. UB according to the rules
> stated on their webiste also follows this same convention
I'm asking which site does it differently than absolute... any?
Mark
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