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Date: 20 Jan 2009 18:03:24
From: bo dark
Subject: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror


differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson escalating the
war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible things
could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force obama's
hand.




 
Date: 21 Jan 2009 13:47:17
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror
On Jan 21, 1:30=A0pm, bo dark <tx1...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Jan 21, 3:19 pm, "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 21, 12:29 pm, bo dark <tx1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 21, 1:43 pm, "MMelia" <a4f6...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 20 2009 11:48 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jan 20 2009 9:03 PM, bo dark wrote:
>
> > > > > > differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson escalati=
ng the
> > > > > > war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible th=
ings
> > > > > > could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force =
obama's
> > > > > > hand.
>
> > > > > Howard Beale is correct. Obama has promised to escalate the confl=
ict in
> > > > > Afghanistan, and has also pointedly mentioned that intervention i=
n
> > > > > Pakistan is very possible.
>
> > > > > It's the main reason I do not support him.
>
> > > > We are getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan. =A0We need to send =
more
> > > > troops there. =A0True Story.
>
> > > > ___________________________________________________________________=
____
> > > > looking for a better newsgroup-reader? -www.recgroups.com
>
> > > unless there is a news blackout i don't see how that could be.my
> > > nephew is there and he didn't mention anything about it when he was
> > > back for christmas.afghanistan is different in that canadians and
> > > europeans are there and i believe aussies.
>
> > News blackout? =A0The media have been talking about it for months. =A0I
> > daresay it's conventional wisdom now that Afghanistan is getting worse
> > while Iraq is getting better. =A0Obama cetainly talked about the
> > problems in Afghanistan during the campaign, and I don't remember
> > anybody standing up and saying "No, things are going pretty well in
> > Afghanistan!"
>
> > - Bob T.
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> this may have to do with pakistan,i haven't followed it closely,i
> haven't heard of more casualties,maybe a few more battles.it might be
> things are more secure in iraq and terrorists are moving their
> resources to afghanistan.just like when the russians left afghanistan
> will return to it's normal self when we are gone.

I think it's mostly Taliban activity, not al Qaeda. They're upset
that we're allowing women to go to school.

- Bob T.
>
> ditto to iraq and bosnia.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



 
Date: 21 Jan 2009 13:30:51
From: bo dark
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror
On Jan 21, 3:19 pm, "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com > wrote:
> On Jan 21, 12:29 pm, bo dark <tx1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 21, 1:43 pm, "MMelia" <a4f6...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 20 2009 11:48 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 20 2009 9:03 PM, bo dark wrote:
>
> > > > > differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson escalating the
> > > > > war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible things
> > > > > could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force obama's
> > > > > hand.
>
> > > > Howard Beale is correct. Obama has promised to escalate the conflict in
> > > > Afghanistan, and has also pointedly mentioned that intervention in
> > > > Pakistan is very possible.
>
> > > > It's the main reason I do not support him.
>
> > > We are getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan. We need to send more
> > > troops there. True Story.
>
> > > _______________________________________________________________________
> > > looking for a better newsgroup-reader? -www.recgroups.com
>
> > unless there is a news blackout i don't see how that could be.my
> > nephew is there and he didn't mention anything about it when he was
> > back for christmas.afghanistan is different in that canadians and
> > europeans are there and i believe aussies.
>
> News blackout? The media have been talking about it for months. I
> daresay it's conventional wisdom now that Afghanistan is getting worse
> while Iraq is getting better. Obama cetainly talked about the
> problems in Afghanistan during the campaign, and I don't remember
> anybody standing up and saying "No, things are going pretty well in
> Afghanistan!"
>
> - Bob T.
>
>
>
> > - Show quoted text -



this may have to do with pakistan,i haven't followed it closely,i
haven't heard of more casualties,maybe a few more battles.it might be
things are more secure in iraq and terrorists are moving their
resources to afghanistan.just like when the russians left afghanistan
will return to it's normal self when we are gone.

ditto to iraq and bosnia.


 
Date: 21 Jan 2009 13:19:44
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror
On Jan 21, 12:29=A0pm, bo dark <tx1...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Jan 21, 1:43 pm, "MMelia" <a4f6...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 20 2009 11:48 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 20 2009 9:03 PM, bo dark wrote:
>
> > > > differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson escalating t=
he
> > > > war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible things
> > > > could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force obam=
a's
> > > > hand.
>
> > > Howard Beale is correct. Obama has promised to escalate the conflict =
in
> > > Afghanistan, and has also pointedly mentioned that intervention in
> > > Pakistan is very possible.
>
> > > It's the main reason I do not support him.
>
> > We are getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan. =A0We need to send more
> > troops there. =A0True Story.
>
> > _______________________________________________________________________
> > looking for a better newsgroup-reader? -www.recgroups.com
>
> unless there is a news blackout i don't see how that could be.my
> nephew is there and he didn't mention anything about it when he was
> back for christmas.afghanistan is different in that canadians and
> europeans are there and i believe aussies.

News blackout? The media have been talking about it for months. I
daresay it's conventional wisdom now that Afghanistan is getting worse
while Iraq is getting better. Obama cetainly talked about the
problems in Afghanistan during the campaign, and I don't remember
anybody standing up and saying "No, things are going pretty well in
Afghanistan!"

- Bob T.
>
> - Show quoted text -



  
Date: 21 Jan 2009 19:05:41
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror policies may not
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:19:44 -0800 (PST), "Bob T."
<bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote:

>On Jan 21, 12:29 pm, bo dark <tx1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 21, 1:43 pm, "MMelia" <a4f6...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 20 2009 11:48 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>>
>> > > On Jan 20 2009 9:03 PM, bo dark wrote:
>>
>> > > > differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson escalating the
>> > > > war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible things
>> > > > could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force obama's
>> > > > hand.
>>
>> > > Howard Beale is correct. Obama has promised to escalate the conflict in
>> > > Afghanistan, and has also pointedly mentioned that intervention in
>> > > Pakistan is very possible.
>>
>> > > It's the main reason I do not support him.
>>
>> > We are getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan.  We need to send more
>> > troops there.  True Story.
>>
>> > _______________________________________________________________________
>> > looking for a better newsgroup-reader? -www.recgroups.com
>>
>> unless there is a news blackout i don't see how that could be.my
>> nephew is there and he didn't mention anything about it when he was
>> back for christmas.afghanistan is different in that canadians and
>> europeans are there and i believe aussies.
>
>News blackout? The media have been talking about it for months. I
>daresay it's conventional wisdom now that Afghanistan is getting worse
>while Iraq is getting better. Obama cetainly talked about the
>problems in Afghanistan during the campaign, and I don't remember
>anybody standing up and saying "No, things are going pretty well in
>Afghanistan!"
>

For anyone really interested in finding out how things are going in
Afghanistan, I think this is the best place to go.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/

They also report on the other "hot spots" in the world today.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
About The Long War Journal
Mission:

The Long War Journal is dedicated to providing original and accurate
reporting and analysis of the Long War (also known as the Global War
on Terror). This is accomplished through its programs of embedded
reporters, news and news aggregation, podcasts, and other multimedia
formats.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now, for those who believe that the GWOT is just a big scam to enrich
Big Corporations for the War Mongering Imperialists, reading the site
would be a big waste of time.

They report, you decide.


   
Date: 21 Jan 2009 21:51:24
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror policies may not
On Jan 21 2009 8:05 PM, FL Turbo wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:19:44 -0800 (PST), "Bob T."
> <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote:
>
> >On Jan 21, 12:29 pm, bo dark <tx1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 21, 1:43 pm, "MMelia" <a4f6...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Jan 20 2009 11:48 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> >>
> >> > > On Jan 20 2009 9:03 PM, bo dark wrote:
> >>
> >> > > > differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson escalating
the
> >> > > > war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible things
> >> > > > could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force
obama's
> >> > > > hand.
> >>
> >> > > Howard Beale is correct. Obama has promised to escalate the conflict
in
> >> > > Afghanistan, and has also pointedly mentioned that intervention in
> >> > > Pakistan is very possible.
> >>
> >> > > It's the main reason I do not support him.
> >>
> >> > We are getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan.  We need to send more
> >> > troops there.  True Story.
> >>
> unless there is a news blackout i don't see how that could be.my
> >> nephew is there and he didn't mention anything about it when he was
> >> back for christmas.afghanistan is different in that canadians and
> >> europeans are there and i believe aussies.
> >
> >News blackout? The media have been talking about it for months. I
> >daresay it's conventional wisdom now that Afghanistan is getting worse
> >while Iraq is getting better. Obama cetainly talked about the
> >problems in Afghanistan during the campaign, and I don't remember
> >anybody standing up and saying "No, things are going pretty well in
> >Afghanistan!"

> Now, for those who believe that the GWOT is just a big scam to enrich
> Big Corporations for the War Mongering Imperialists, reading the site
> would be a big waste of time.

Thanks for the warning! It has been deleted from my reading list.

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Date: 22 Jan 2009 01:59:13
From: bub
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror policies may not
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:51:24 -0800, "ChrisRobin"
<a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote:


>
>Thanks for the warning! It has been deleted from my reading list.
>
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>
stick to prison planet and Michael Ruppert,sweetpea.


     
Date: 22 Jan 2009 12:12:01
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror policies may not
On Jan 22 2009 2:59 AM, bub wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:51:24 -0800, "ChrisRobin"
> <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >Thanks for the warning! It has been deleted from my reading list.
> >
> stick to prison planet and Michael Ruppert,sweetpea.

Sure thing. And you stick to, well, not reading really much of anything at
all. As they say, ignorance is bliss. I imagine you're one really blissful
MFer.

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Date: 22 Jan 2009 18:54:46
From: bub
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror policies may not
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:12:01 -0800, "ChrisRobin"
<a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

> I imagine you're one really blissful
>MFer.

this fixation you have of me and your mother is very very unhealthy.
seek help


 
Date: 21 Jan 2009 12:29:51
From: bo dark
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror
On Jan 21, 1:43 pm, "MMelia" <a4f6...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 20 2009 11:48 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > On Jan 20 2009 9:03 PM, bo dark wrote:
>
> > > differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson escalating the
> > > war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible things
> > > could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force obama's
> > > hand.
>
> > Howard Beale is correct. Obama has promised to escalate the conflict in
> > Afghanistan, and has also pointedly mentioned that intervention in
> > Pakistan is very possible.
>
> > It's the main reason I do not support him.
>
> We are getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan. We need to send more
> troops there. True Story.
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> looking for a better newsgroup-reader? -www.recgroups.com



unless there is a news blackout i don't see how that could be.my
nephew is there and he didn't mention anything about it when he was
back for christmas.afghanistan is different in that canadians and
europeans are there and i believe aussies.


  
Date: 21 Jan 2009 13:04:44
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror policies may not
On Jan 21 2009 3:29 PM, bo dark wrote:

> On Jan 21, 1:43 pm, "MMelia" <a4f6...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > On Jan 20 2009 11:48 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 20 2009 9:03 PM, bo dark wrote:
> >
> > > > differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson escalating the
> > > > war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible things
> > > > could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force obama's
> > > > hand.
> >
> > > Howard Beale is correct. Obama has promised to escalate the conflict in
> > > Afghanistan, and has also pointedly mentioned that intervention in
> > > Pakistan is very possible.
> >
> > > It's the main reason I do not support him.
> >
> > We are getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan. We need to send more
> > troops there. True Story.
> >
> unless there is a news blackout i don't see how that could be.my
> nephew is there and he didn't mention anything about it when he was
> back for christmas.afghanistan is different in that canadians and
> europeans are there and i believe aussies.

There is no news blackout, just everyone is distracted by Iraq.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/25/terror/main4378751.shtml

There is plenty of information, but you have to search for it. There have
even been Documentaries where an embedded film crew go out with the green
berets and show how bad it is there for the Americans. I don't have the
name of it, but if I get some time later I will look for it and post it.

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Date: 20 Jan 2009 20:48:29
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror policies may not
On Jan 20 2009 9:03 PM, bo dark wrote:

> differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson escalating the
> war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible things
> could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force obama's
> hand.

Howard Beale is correct. Obama has promised to escalate the conflict in
Afghanistan, and has also pointedly mentioned that intervention in
Pakistan is very possible.

It's the main reason I do not support him.

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Date: 21 Jan 2009 11:43:01
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror policies may not
On Jan 20 2009 11:48 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:

> On Jan 20 2009 9:03 PM, bo dark wrote:
>
> > differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson escalating the
> > war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible things
> > could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force obama's
> > hand.
>
> Howard Beale is correct. Obama has promised to escalate the conflict in
> Afghanistan, and has also pointedly mentioned that intervention in
> Pakistan is very possible.
>
> It's the main reason I do not support him.

We are getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan. We need to send more
troops there. True Story.

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Date: 21 Jan 2009 21:49:41
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror policies may not
On Jan 21 2009 2:43 PM, MMelia wrote:

> On Jan 20 2009 11:48 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > On Jan 20 2009 9:03 PM, bo dark wrote:
> >
> > > differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson escalating the
> > > war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible things
> > > could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force obama's
> > > hand.
> >
> > Howard Beale is correct. Obama has promised to escalate the conflict in
> > Afghanistan, and has also pointedly mentioned that intervention in
> > Pakistan is very possible.
> >
> > It's the main reason I do not support him.
>
> We are getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan. We need to send more
> troops there. True Story.

Escalation isn't the only option. It's an unwinnable war. We need to get
the fuck out already, use those resources for something productive.

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Date: 22 Jan 2009 23:07:36
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror
ChrisRobin wrote:
> On Jan 21 2009 2:43 PM, MMelia wrote:

>> We are getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan. We need to send more
>> troops there. True Story.
>
> Escalation isn't the only option. It's an unwinnable war. We need to get
> the fuck out already, use those resources for something productive.

Yeah, you and Harry Reid said the war in Iraq was lost too.
Embarrassing when your predictions don't work out, ain't it?


--
Joe Long aka ChipRider
Somewhere on the Range


    
Date: 22 Jan 2009 05:44:12
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror policies may not
On Jan 22 2009 12:49 AM, ChrisRobin wrote:

> On Jan 21 2009 2:43 PM, MMelia wrote:
>
> > On Jan 20 2009 11:48 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 20 2009 9:03 PM, bo dark wrote:
> > >
> > > > differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson escalating the
> > > > war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible things
> > > > could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force obama's
> > > > hand.
> > >
> > > Howard Beale is correct. Obama has promised to escalate the conflict in
> > > Afghanistan, and has also pointedly mentioned that intervention in
> > > Pakistan is very possible.
> > >
> > > It's the main reason I do not support him.
> >
> > We are getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan. We need to send more
> > troops there. True Story.
>
> Escalation isn't the only option. It's an unwinnable war. We need to get
> the fuck out already, use those resources for something productive.
IF we had an army od chrissy robins, every war would be unwinnable.

Atheism is drawing dead

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Date: 22 Jan 2009 03:07:50
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror policies may not
On Jan 22 2009 12:49 AM, ChrisRobin wrote:

> On Jan 21 2009 2:43 PM, MMelia wrote:
>
> > On Jan 20 2009 11:48 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 20 2009 9:03 PM, bo dark wrote:
> > >
> > > > differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson escalating the
> > > > war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible things
> > > > could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force obama's
> > > > hand.
> > >
> > > Howard Beale is correct. Obama has promised to escalate the conflict in
> > > Afghanistan, and has also pointedly mentioned that intervention in
> > > Pakistan is very possible.
> > >
> > > It's the main reason I do not support him.
> >
> > We are getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan. We need to send more
> > troops there. True Story.
>
> Escalation isn't the only option. It's an unwinnable war. We need to get
> the fuck out already, use those resources for something productive.

You know, thank god out forefathers didn't have this tuck your tail and
run attitude. The revolution was unwindable too, in fact we were loosing
for some time.

If we get the resources we need into Afghanistan it will be winnable. The
question is at what cost and will the results be worth that cost.

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Date: 22 Jan 2009 12:06:26
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror policies may not
On Jan 22 2009 6:07 AM, MMelia wrote:

> On Jan 22 2009 12:49 AM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > On Jan 21 2009 2:43 PM, MMelia wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 20 2009 11:48 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Jan 20 2009 9:03 PM, bo dark wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson escalating the
> > > > > war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible things
> > > > > could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force
obama's
> > > > > hand.
> > > >
> > > > Howard Beale is correct. Obama has promised to escalate the conflict in
> > > > Afghanistan, and has also pointedly mentioned that intervention in
> > > > Pakistan is very possible.
> > > >
> > > > It's the main reason I do not support him.
> > >
> > > We are getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan. We need to send more
> > > troops there. True Story.
> >
> > Escalation isn't the only option. It's an unwinnable war. We need to get
> > the fuck out already, use those resources for something productive.
>
> You know, thank god out forefathers didn't have this tuck your tail and
> run attitude. The revolution was unwindable too, in fact we were loosing
> for some time.

I really hope you can distinguish the difference between the revolution
and a war of choice in Afghanistan.

> If we get the resources we need into Afghanistan it will be winnable. The
> question is at what cost and will the results be worth that cost.

Of course, if you're willing to dedicate several hundred thousand soldiers
to the task. Where do you propose we find the manpower? And once we "win"
(whatever the hell that means), what next? Do you think that by "winning,"
you've suddenly conquered worldwide terrorism and the world will be safer
place? Or do you think, perhaps, that you've actually radicalized more
people and had the opposite effect, as has happened in Iraq?

It's pointless. Declare victory, and get the hell out already.

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Date: 22 Jan 2009 13:39:12
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror policies may not
On Jan 22 2009 3:06 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:

> On Jan 22 2009 6:07 AM, MMelia wrote:
>
> > On Jan 22 2009 12:49 AM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 21 2009 2:43 PM, MMelia wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Jan 20 2009 11:48 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Jan 20 2009 9:03 PM, bo dark wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson escalating
the
> > > > > > war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible things
> > > > > > could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force
> obama's
> > > > > > hand.
> > > > >
> > > > > Howard Beale is correct. Obama has promised to escalate the conflict
in
> > > > > Afghanistan, and has also pointedly mentioned that intervention in
> > > > > Pakistan is very possible.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's the main reason I do not support him.
> > > >
> > > > We are getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan. We need to send more
> > > > troops there. True Story.
> > >
> > > Escalation isn't the only option. It's an unwinnable war. We need to get
> > > the fuck out already, use those resources for something productive.
> >
> > You know, thank god out forefathers didn't have this tuck your tail and
> > run attitude. The revolution was unwindable too, in fact we were loosing
> > for some time.
>
> I really hope you can distinguish the difference between the revolution
> and a war of choice in Afghanistan.
>
> > If we get the resources we need into Afghanistan it will be winnable. The
> > question is at what cost and will the results be worth that cost.
>
> Of course, if you're willing to dedicate several hundred thousand soldiers
> to the task. Where do you propose we find the manpower? And once we "win"
> (whatever the hell that means), what next? Do you think that by "winning,"
> you've suddenly conquered worldwide terrorism and the world will be safer
> place? Or do you think, perhaps, that you've actually radicalized more
> people and had the opposite effect, as has happened in Iraq?
>
> It's pointless. Declare victory, and get the hell out already.

Yes, Pointless sums this up nicely. Well put.

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Date: 22 Jan 2009 16:38:52
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror policies may not
On Jan 22 2009 4:39 PM, MMelia wrote:

> On Jan 22 2009 3:06 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > On Jan 22 2009 6:07 AM, MMelia wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 22 2009 12:49 AM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Jan 21 2009 2:43 PM, MMelia wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Jan 20 2009 11:48 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Jan 20 2009 9:03 PM, bo dark wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson escalating
> the
> > > > > > > war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible
things
> > > > > > > could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force
> > obama's
> > > > > > > hand.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Howard Beale is correct. Obama has promised to escalate the
conflict
> in
> > > > > > Afghanistan, and has also pointedly mentioned that intervention in
> > > > > > Pakistan is very possible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's the main reason I do not support him.
> > > > >
> > > > > We are getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan. We need to send more
> > > > > troops there. True Story.
> > > >
> > > > Escalation isn't the only option. It's an unwinnable war. We need to
get
> > > > the fuck out already, use those resources for something productive.
> > >
> > > You know, thank god out forefathers didn't have this tuck your tail and
> > > run attitude. The revolution was unwindable too, in fact we were loosing
> > > for some time.
> >
> > I really hope you can distinguish the difference between the revolution
> > and a war of choice in Afghanistan.
> >
> > > If we get the resources we need into Afghanistan it will be winnable.
The
> > > question is at what cost and will the results be worth that cost.
> >
> > Of course, if you're willing to dedicate several hundred thousand soldiers
> > to the task. Where do you propose we find the manpower? And once we "win"
> > (whatever the hell that means), what next? Do you think that by "winning,"
> > you've suddenly conquered worldwide terrorism and the world will be safer
> > place? Or do you think, perhaps, that you've actually radicalized more
> > people and had the opposite effect, as has happened in Iraq?
> >
> > It's pointless. Declare victory, and get the hell out already.
>
> Yes, Pointless sums this up nicely. Well put.

Way to stand by your argument.

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Date: 22 Jan 2009 16:53:23
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror policies may not
On Jan 22 2009 7:38 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:

> On Jan 22 2009 4:39 PM, MMelia wrote:
>
> > On Jan 22 2009 3:06 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 22 2009 6:07 AM, MMelia wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Jan 22 2009 12:49 AM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Jan 21 2009 2:43 PM, MMelia wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Jan 20 2009 11:48 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Jan 20 2009 9:03 PM, bo dark wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson
escalating
> > the
> > > > > > > > war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible
> things
> > > > > > > > could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force
> > > obama's
> > > > > > > > hand.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Howard Beale is correct. Obama has promised to escalate the
> conflict
> > in
> > > > > > > Afghanistan, and has also pointedly mentioned that intervention
in
> > > > > > > Pakistan is very possible.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's the main reason I do not support him.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan. We need to send
more
> > > > > > troops there. True Story.
> > > > >
> > > > > Escalation isn't the only option. It's an unwinnable war. We need to
> get
> > > > > the fuck out already, use those resources for something productive.
> > > >
> > > > You know, thank god out forefathers didn't have this tuck your tail and
> > > > run attitude. The revolution was unwindable too, in fact we were
loosing
> > > > for some time.
> > >
> > > I really hope you can distinguish the difference between the revolution
> > > and a war of choice in Afghanistan.
> > >
> > > > If we get the resources we need into Afghanistan it will be winnable.
> The
> > > > question is at what cost and will the results be worth that cost.
> > >
> > > Of course, if you're willing to dedicate several hundred thousand
soldiers
> > > to the task. Where do you propose we find the manpower? And once we "win"
> > > (whatever the hell that means), what next? Do you think that by
"winning,"
> > > you've suddenly conquered worldwide terrorism and the world will be safer
> > > place? Or do you think, perhaps, that you've actually radicalized more
> > > people and had the opposite effect, as has happened in Iraq?
> > >
> > > It's pointless. Declare victory, and get the hell out already.
> >
> > Yes, Pointless sums this up nicely. Well put.
>
> Way to stand by your argument.

It's still my argument. You made a rant ... and no point at all. What am
I suppose to say? You mentioned other ways to deal with this, yet you
mention none. I am assuming that you just like to spew non-sense with no
real content... so I'm done.

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Date: 22 Jan 2009 06:41:40
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror policies may not
On Jan 22 2009 6:07 AM, MMelia wrote:

> On Jan 22 2009 12:49 AM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > On Jan 21 2009 2:43 PM, MMelia wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 20 2009 11:48 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Jan 20 2009 9:03 PM, bo dark wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson escalating the
> > > > > war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible things
> > > > > could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force
obama's
> > > > > hand.
> > > >
> > > > Howard Beale is correct. Obama has promised to escalate the conflict in
> > > > Afghanistan, and has also pointedly mentioned that intervention in
> > > > Pakistan is very possible.
> > > >
> > > > It's the main reason I do not support him.
> > >
> > > We are getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan. We need to send more
> > > troops there. True Story.
> >
> > Escalation isn't the only option. It's an unwinnable war. We need to get
> > the fuck out already, use those resources for something productive.
>
> You know, thank god out forefathers didn't have this tuck your tail and
> run attitude. The revolution was unwindable too, in fact we were loosing
> for some time.
>
> If we get the resources we need into Afghanistan it will be winnable. The
> question is at what cost and will the results be worth that cost.

Yes, my spelling sucks. I had not had my coffee yet.

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Date: 20 Jan 2009 20:08:51
From: bo dark
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror
On Jan 20, 9:53 pm, FL Turbo <noem...@notime.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:03:24 -0800 (PST), bo dark <tx1...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson escalating the
> >war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible things
> >could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force obama's
> >hand.
>
> Several big differences.
> First, the war in Iraq is essentially over.
> The war in Nam under Kennedy was just starting.
> There was plenty of room for the escalation under Johnson.
>
> Today, we have Iran.
> AFAIK, no one, even the most rabid War Monger in the Pentagon advises
> us to put boots on the ground in Iran.
>
> The average Iranian wants simply to get the ruling Mullah hierarchy
> off their backs.
> A political writer, whose name I cannot remember at the moment, has
> been urging us for years now, to use every political means short of
> outright war, to get the Iranians to work up the courage, and the
> ability to overthrow the tyrants ruling them.
>
> His tagline has been "Faster, please."



i believe many iranians want a more free society,there is a
considerable expat iranian population around the world.what i was
saing is a situation may develope which obama has no control of that
might force his hand to be more involved.


 
Date: 20 Jan 2009 21:53:41
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror policies may not
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:03:24 -0800 (PST), bo dark <tx1456@yahoo.com >
wrote:

>
>
>differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson escalating the
>war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible things
>could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force obama's
>hand.

Several big differences.
First, the war in Iraq is essentially over.
The war in Nam under Kennedy was just starting.
There was plenty of room for the escalation under Johnson.

Today, we have Iran.
AFAIK, no one, even the most rabid War Monger in the Pentagon advises
us to put boots on the ground in Iran.

The average Iranian wants simply to get the ruling Mullah hierarchy
off their backs.
A political writer, whose name I cannot remember at the moment, has
been urging us for years now, to use every political means short of
outright war, to get the Iranians to work up the courage, and the
ability to overthrow the tyrants ruling them.

His tagline has been "Faster, please."



 
Date: 20 Jan 2009 19:51:35
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: o.t. howard beale noted that obama's iraq war and war on terror policies may not
On Jan 20 2009 7:03 PM, bo dark wrote:

> differ much from bush's.reminded me of kennedy/johnson escalating the
> war in vietnam after republicans sent advisers.it's possible things
> could escalate in the niddle east and circumstances more force obama's
> hand.

Keep praying. There may be even more blood for every little good boy.

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