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Date: 12 Dec 2008 21:33:03
From: RichD
Subject: opinions on Ray Zee?
I saw a book by Zee on hi-low split poker, he covers 7 card
stud and Omaha.

Any comments?

How tough are these games on line?






 
Date: 16 Dec 2008 10:46:18
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: opinions on Ray Zee?
Heard Ray was a having a beer there the other day.





On Dec 16, 5:39=EF=BF=BDam, johnnycoconuts...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Dec 13, 6:07=EF=BF=BDpm, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I couldn't? Even my close friend Dave Keiser:) states I probably beat
> > Ray Zee. NO PROBABLY. I beat Ray ZEE. I left a $100 bill in an Oregon
> > Tavern to pay Ray Zee's taxi fare if he ever wanted to play me again.
> > That was back in the early 70s.
>
> Holy crap. What tavern? =EF=BF=BDDo you think it's still there???



 
Date: 16 Dec 2008 05:39:10
From:
Subject: Re: opinions on Ray Zee?
On Dec 13, 6:07=A0pm, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com >
wrote:
> I couldn't? Even my close friend Dave Keiser:) states I probably beat
> Ray Zee. NO PROBABLY. I beat Ray ZEE. I left a $100 bill in an Oregon
> Tavern to pay Ray Zee's taxi fare if he ever wanted to play me again.
> That was back in the early 70s.
>


Holy crap. What tavern? Do you think it's still there???



 
Date: 15 Dec 2008 22:49:32
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: opinions on Ray Zee?
Why don't you try Googling for the info? I'ts out there since I wrote
it 7 years ago.




On Dec 15, 4:34=EF=BF=BDpm, RichD <r_delaney2...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Dec 13, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > You mean player or CHEATER, for Ray Zee made at least 10x more
> > cheating than playing honestly.
>
> Which cheat techniques did he use?



 
Date: 15 Dec 2008 16:34:02
From: RichD
Subject: Re: opinions on Ray Zee?
On Dec 13, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com > wrote:
> You mean player or CHEATER, for Ray Zee made at least 10x more
> cheating than playing honestly.

Which cheat techniques did he use?


 
Date: 13 Dec 2008 15:07:14
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: opinions on Ray Zee?
I couldn't? Even my close friend Dave Keiser:) states I probably beat
Ray Zee. NO PROBABLY. I beat Ray ZEE. I left a $100 bill in an Oregon
Tavern to pay Ray Zee's taxi fare if he ever wanted to play me again.
That was back in the early 70s.









On Dec 13, 8:52=EF=BF=BDam, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Dec 13 2008 9:22 AM, WaltWhitman wrote:
>
> > On Dec 12 2008 9:33 PM, RichD wrote:
>
> > > I saw a book by Zee on hi-low split poker, he covers 7 card
> > > stud and Omaha.
>
> > > Any comments?
>
> > > How tough are these games on line?
>
> > Ask Russ about Ray Zee, and how he got his money while still in Oregon?=
I
> > think they probably bumped heads a few times. The stuff that Russ has
> > posted on this site about Hi/Low split is many times better then anythi=
ng
> > Ray Zee wrote. Ray was a great player and won lots of money, but he was
> > not a good author. His book is ok for beginners.
>
> Russ couldnt pay the sales tax on Ray Zee's bankroll...EVER
>
>
>
> > Walt
>
> > I contradict myself?
> > Very well then I contradict myself
> > I am Large
> > I contain multitudes
>
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities=
.
> Voltaire
>
> ______________________________________________________________________=EF=
=BF=BD
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 23:48:09
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: opinions on Ray Zee?
On Dec 13 2008 5:07 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:

> I couldn't? Even my close friend Dave Keiser:) states I probably beat
> Ray Zee. NO PROBABLY. I beat Ray ZEE. I left a $100 bill in an Oregon
> Tavern to pay Ray Zee's taxi fare if he ever wanted to play me again.
> That was back in the early 70s.

if you are such a legend , then why are you wasting all this on this site ?

Isnt 4 the "big time "?

Why are you trying to convince a bunch of micro-nit TVSM's and a couple
of old farts here, that you are or were something ?

Why the 2nd or 3 rd biggest poker forum ?

WHY NOT THE BIGGEST SITE?

Shouldnt a WCP be on a World Class Platform ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 13, 8:52�am, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > On Dec 13 2008 9:22 AM, WaltWhitman wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 12 2008 9:33 PM, RichD wrote:
> >
> > > > I saw a book by Zee on hi-low split poker, he covers 7 card
> > > > stud and Omaha.
> >
> > > > Any comments?
> >
> > > > How tough are these games on line?
> >
> > > Ask Russ about Ray Zee, and how he got his money while still in Oregon? I
> > > think they probably bumped heads a few times. The stuff that Russ has
> > > posted on this site about Hi/Low split is many times better then anything
> > > Ray Zee wrote. Ray was a great player and won lots of money, but he was
> > > not a good author. His book is ok for beginners.
> >
> > Russ couldnt pay the sales tax on Ray Zee's bankroll...EVER
> >
> >
> >
> > > Walt
> >
> > > I contradict myself?
> > > Very well then I contradict myself
> > > I am Large
> > > I contain multitudes
> >
> > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..
> > Voltaire
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________________�
> > looking for a better newsgroup-reader? -www.recgroups.com


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Date: 13 Dec 2008 15:03:37
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: opinions on Ray Zee?
Amazing, you have THREE POSTS in your history and here you are. Ray
Zee, is a very good player, but won his money cheating. He is also a
great money manager.













On Dec 12, 11:16=EF=BF=BDpm, "poker widow" <johnnycadi...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Dec 13 2008 12:33 AM, RichD wrote:
>
> > I saw a book by Zee on hi-low split poker, he covers 7 card
> > stud and Omaha.
>
> > Any comments?
>
> > How tough are these games on line?
>
> Ray Zee is a great player. i used to see him in vegas alot in the
> 70's-80's..
> games online are tough to beat, but they are good games. you have to play
> straight forward tight aggressive poker.. good luck.
>
> ---=EF=BF=BD
> : the next generation of web-newsreaders :http://www.recgroups.com



 
Date: 13 Dec 2008 15:01:05
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: opinions on Ray Zee?
You mean player or CHEATER, for Ray Zee made at least 10x more
cheating than playing honestly. I played and beat him. Even posted a
$100 bill almost 40 years ago to send a taxi if Ray wanted to play me
heads-up again. Even Dave Keiser, yes Dave Keiser has stated he was a
cheat.

Russ Georgiev

www.pokermafia.com
www.pokerunchecked.com
www.russgeorgiev.com





On Dec 12, 10:46=EF=BF=BDpm, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Dec 12 2008 11:33 PM, RichD wrote:
>
> > I saw a book by Zee on hi-low split poker, he covers 7 card
> > stud and Omaha.
>
> > Any comments?
>
> > How tough are these games on line?
>
> if you end up being half the player he is .. you will be a winner
>
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities=
.
> Voltaire
>
> -----=EF=BF=BD
> * kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more..www.recgroups.com



 
Date: 13 Dec 2008 09:53:35
From: Peter Secor
Subject: Re: opinions on Ray Zee?
RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com > wrote:

>I saw a book by Zee on hi-low split poker, he covers 7 card
>stud and Omaha.
>
>Any comments?

Probably the best book ever written on these games.
>
>How tough are these games on line?
>
Like other on-line games, mostly pretty tough for the equivalent live
stakes.

Best,

Peter
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 07:22:59
From: WaltWhitman
Subject: Re: opinions on Ray Zee?
On Dec 12 2008 9:33 PM, RichD wrote:

> I saw a book by Zee on hi-low split poker, he covers 7 card
> stud and Omaha.
>
> Any comments?
>
> How tough are these games on line?


Ask Russ about Ray Zee, and how he got his money while still in Oregon? I
think they probably bumped heads a few times. The stuff that Russ has
posted on this site about Hi/Low split is many times better then anything
Ray Zee wrote. Ray was a great player and won lots of money, but he was
not a good author. His book is ok for beginners.

Walt

I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself
I am Large
I contain multitudes

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Date: 13 Dec 2008 08:52:06
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: opinions on Ray Zee?
On Dec 13 2008 9:22 AM, WaltWhitman wrote:

> On Dec 12 2008 9:33 PM, RichD wrote:
>
> > I saw a book by Zee on hi-low split poker, he covers 7 card
> > stud and Omaha.
> >
> > Any comments?
> >
> > How tough are these games on line?
>
>
> Ask Russ about Ray Zee, and how he got his money while still in Oregon? I
> think they probably bumped heads a few times. The stuff that Russ has
> posted on this site about Hi/Low split is many times better then anything
> Ray Zee wrote. Ray was a great player and won lots of money, but he was
> not a good author. His book is ok for beginners.

Russ couldnt pay the sales tax on Ray Zee's bankroll...EVER
>
> Walt
>
> I contradict myself?
> Very well then I contradict myself
> I am Large
> I contain multitudes


Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Voltaire

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Date: 13 Dec 2008 09:36:31
From: WaltWhitman
Subject: Re: opinions on Ray Zee?
On Dec 13 2008 8:52 AM, FangBanger wrote:

> On Dec 13 2008 9:22 AM, WaltWhitman wrote:
>
> > On Dec 12 2008 9:33 PM, RichD wrote:
> >
> > > I saw a book by Zee on hi-low split poker, he covers 7 card
> > > stud and Omaha.
> > >
> > > Any comments?
> > >
> > > How tough are these games on line?
> >
> >
> > Ask Russ about Ray Zee, and how he got his money while still in Oregon? I
> > think they probably bumped heads a few times. The stuff that Russ has
> > posted on this site about Hi/Low split is many times better then anything
> > Ray Zee wrote. Ray was a great player and won lots of money, but he was
> > not a good author. His book is ok for beginners.
>
> Russ couldnt pay the sales tax on Ray Zee's bankroll...EVER
> >

Agreed!!!! but that does not negate what I posted.
> > Walt
> >
> > I contradict myself?
> > Very well then I contradict myself
> > I am Large
> > I contain multitudes
>
>
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
> Voltaire


I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself
I am Large
I contain multitudes

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Date: 12 Dec 2008 23:16:07
From: poker widow
Subject: Re: opinions on Ray Zee?
On Dec 13 2008 12:33 AM, RichD wrote:

> I saw a book by Zee on hi-low split poker, he covers 7 card
> stud and Omaha.
>
> Any comments?
>
> How tough are these games on line?

Ray Zee is a great player. i used to see him in vegas alot in the
70's-80's..
games online are tough to beat, but they are good games. you have to play
straight forward tight aggressive poker.. good luck.

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Date: 13 Dec 2008 07:13:05
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: opinions on Ray Zee?
"poker widow" <johnnycadilac@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:n24c16xkq3.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> Ray Zee is a great player. i used to see him in vegas alot in the
> 70's-80's..
> games online are tough to beat, but they are good games. you have to play
> straight forward tight aggressive poker.. good luck.
>

Dear Poker Widow,

Thank you for that informative post. While reading some of your recent
remarks I took the liberty of checking your posting history and it appears
you are relatively new to our poker newsgroup. I would like to be the first
to extend a warm welcome to you and invite you to continue joining in our
discussion of this fascinating game of poker. However, Poker Widow, I'd
like to bring to your attention that while I was reviewing your posting
history I couldn't help but notice that there is no confirmation number in
the upper righthand corner of your Profile. Sure, the box is there, but
there is no text in it. It is just blank. How are you posting to this
group without the confirmation number? Is it possible that you posted here
before the 2004 upgrade?

I look forward to reading your contributions to our group, but please
contact the Senior Coordinator as soon as possible so you can resolve this
matter. Then look for his prompt response to you in your email inbox, click
the link provided, and follow the simple instructions. He'll have you up
and running in no time. Sorry for the inconvenience and I thank you for
your cooperation in this matter.

best regards,
Paul Popinjay
Asst. Coordinator, Rec.Gambling.Poker




 
Date: 13 Dec 2008 02:01:22
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: opinions on Ray Zee?
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:33:03 -0800 (PST), RichD
<r_delaney2001@yahoo.com > wrote:

>I saw a book by Zee on hi-low split poker, he covers 7 card
>stud and Omaha.

>Any comments?

The stud book is very good. The Hi-Lo book is somewhat disappointing.
As with many books in the so-called "Advanced Players" series, it's
for noobs. That said, aside from Sklansky's chapter on Hi-Lo split
hold'em in the original Super System (a game that doesn't even exist
any more), nobody's done a really good job on split pot games.

>How tough are these games on line?

Depends. There are tough games, and then there are games with idiots
in them. Any game I'm in qualifies for the latter.


  
Date: 13 Dec 2008 12:15:50
From: eldo77
Subject: Re: opinions on Ray Zee?
On Dec 13 2008 2:01 AM, A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:


> The stud book is very good. The Hi-Lo book is somewhat disappointing.
> As with many books in the so-called "Advanced Players" series, it's
> for noobs. That said, aside from Sklansky's chapter on Hi-Lo split
> hold'em in the original Super System (a game that doesn't even exist
> any more), nobody's done a really good job on split pot games.


You need to eliminate the word "hold'em" in that last sentence.

eldo77

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Date: 13 Dec 2008 19:00:52
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: opinions on Ray Zee?
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:15:50 -0800, "eldo77" <ab26ec1@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:

>On Dec 13 2008 2:01 AM, A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:

>> The stud book is very good. The Hi-Lo book is somewhat disappointing.
>> As with many books in the so-called "Advanced Players" series, it's
>> for noobs. That said, aside from Sklansky's chapter on Hi-Lo split
>> hold'em in the original Super System (a game that doesn't even exist
>> any more), nobody's done a really good job on split pot games.

> You need to eliminate the word "hold'em" in that last sentence.

You're right. Duh. I misremembered, not having looked at that
chapter since I read it first. I guess it's the 8 qualifier and the
lack of a declare option that is new.


    
Date: 13 Dec 2008 20:17:43
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: opinions on Ray Zee?
"A Man Beaten by Jacks" <nobody@fool.foo > wrote in message
news:m2j8k4let18fllbe0preght9tdbuap1457@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:15:50 -0800, "eldo77" <ab26ec1@webnntp.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 13 2008 2:01 AM, A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:
>
>>> The stud book is very good. The Hi-Lo book is somewhat disappointing.
>>> As with many books in the so-called "Advanced Players" series, it's
>>> for noobs. That said, aside from Sklansky's chapter on Hi-Lo split
>>> hold'em in the original Super System (a game that doesn't even exist
>>> any more), nobody's done a really good job on split pot games.
>
>> You need to eliminate the word "hold'em" in that last sentence.
>
> You're right. Duh. I misremembered, not having looked at that
> chapter since I read it first. I guess it's the 8 qualifier and the
> lack of a declare option that is new.


What a dope!




 
Date: 12 Dec 2008 22:46:47
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: opinions on Ray Zee?
On Dec 12 2008 11:33 PM, RichD wrote:

> I saw a book by Zee on hi-low split poker, he covers 7 card
> stud and Omaha.
>
> Any comments?
>
> How tough are these games on line?

if you end up being half the player he is .. you will be a winner


Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Voltaire

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