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Date: 04 Feb 2009 14:18:05
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: number puzzle
A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
guard at the door of the club house. The guard said a number to each
member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number of
their own. If the member responded with the correct number they were let
in. If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.

One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member responded
with "6" and was let in. Another member came to the door, the guard said
"6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.

Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard. The guard
said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in. What should the
rejected man have said?

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Date: 08 Feb 2009 06:42:55
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 4 2009 4:18 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
> guard at the door of the club house. The guard said a number to each
> member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number of
> their own. If the member responded with the correct number they were let
> in. If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.
>
> One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member responded
> with "6" and was let in. Another member came to the door, the guard said
> "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
>
> Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard. The guard
> said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in. What should the
> rejected man have said?
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra

Maybe he wasnt wearing his "Members Only" jacket


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Date: 04 Feb 2009 15:18:36
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 4 2009 4:18 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
> guard at the door of the club house. The guard said a number to each
> member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number of
> their own. If the member responded with the correct number they were let
> in. If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.
>
> One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member responded
> with "6" and was let in. Another member came to the door, the guard said
> "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
>
> Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard. The guard
> said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in. What should the
> rejected man have said?

4
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra


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Date: 05 Feb 2009 11:51:49
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 4 2009 4:18 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
> guard at the door of the club house. The guard said a number to each
> member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number of
> their own. If the member responded with the correct number they were let
> in. If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.
>
> One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member responded
> with "6" and was let in. Another member came to the door, the guard said
> "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
>
> Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard. The guard
> said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in. What should the
> rejected man have said?
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra

So then if someone comes up with a "reasonable " answer , after being
provided limited info, just because he didnt land on the "intended" line
of logic... then HE is the fool ?

I think this might expose a "fool" .. but it may surprise some as to who
it really is !!

Kinda like walking into a "theme" restaurant , and because you have never
been there , and you dont know that the hot dogs are called "jimmy dogs".
, then you suffer the wrath of some pimle faced kid who , fresh out of
training thinks you as the customer should incur his wrath!!


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Date: 05 Feb 2009 14:07:25
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 5 2009 1:51 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> So then if someone comes up with a "reasonable " answer , after being
> provided limited info, just because he didnt land on the "intended" line
> of logic... then HE is the fool ?
>
> I think this might expose a "fool" .. but it may surprise some as to who
> it really is !!

What are you talking about? Who called you a fool?

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 16:04:15
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 5 2009 4:07 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Feb 5 2009 1:51 PM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > So then if someone comes up with a "reasonable " answer , after being
> > provided limited info, just because he didnt land on the "intended" line
> > of logic... then HE is the fool ?
> >
> > I think this might expose a "fool" .. but it may surprise some as to who
> > it really is !!
>
> What are you talking about? Who called you a fool?

u r right .. should a put this under jbk's respose above
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra


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Date: 06 Feb 2009 06:42:09
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: number puzzle
> u r right .. should a put this under jbk's respose above

Go get a towel and wipe the drool from your chin. It is starting to leak
on the keyboard and impair your typing skills. I havent seen an all caps
post in awhile. Whats up with THAT?

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You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
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Date: 06 Feb 2009 07:25:24
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 6 2009 8:42 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > u r right .. should a put this under jbk's respose above
>
> Go get a towel and wipe the drool from your chin. It is starting to leak
> on the keyboard and impair your typing skills. I havent seen an all caps
> post in awhile. Whats up with THAT?

i decided not to use all caps again until you actually win at poker

>>removing cap lock button
>
> ==========================================
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> ==============================
> 47.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
> JBK


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Date: 05 Feb 2009 06:30:14
From: Dave the Clueless
Subject: Re: number puzzle
it depends...



 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 18:57:44
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: number puzzle
> Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard. The guard
> said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in. What should the
> rejected man have said?

One MILLIOOOOOOOON...... of course.

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 17:58:17
From: johnny_t
Subject: Re: number puzzle
Three... Of course...


  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 21:16:59
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: number puzzle

"johnny_t" <nobodyis@home.com > wrote in message
news:007c20f9$0$14750$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

> Three... Of course...


The T/S rule is one possibility, but not the only one.




 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 20:06:09
From: Bill Hartwick
Subject: Re: number puzzle


XaQ Morphy wrote:
> A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
> guard at the door of the club house. The guard said a number to each
> member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number of
> their own. If the member responded with the correct number they were let
> in. If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.
>
> One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member responded
> with "6" and was let in. Another member came to the door, the guard said
> "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
>
> Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard. The guard
> said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in. What should the
> rejected man have said?
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
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>

Good-bye.



 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 17:06:39
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 4 2009 4:18 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
> guard at the door of the club house. The guard said a number to each
> member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number of
> their own. If the member responded with the correct number they were let
> in. If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.
>
> One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member responded
> with "6" and was let in. Another member came to the door, the guard said
> "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
>
> Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard. The guard
> said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in. What should the
> rejected man have said?
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com


Given that you can construct an arbitrary number of functions that past
through any number of points, no amount of observing additional points
will tell the man anything useful unless he's asked about a number he's
already seen.

This of course assumes it's a function, which seems likely, but the
numbers may have nothing to do with it.

Wayne Vinson
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Date: 04 Feb 2009 21:20:46
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:06:39 -0800, "Wayne Vinson"
<a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>On Feb 4 2009 4:18 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
>> A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
>> guard at the door of the club house. The guard said a number to each
>> member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number of
>> their own. If the member responded with the correct number they were let
>> in. If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.
>>
>> One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member responded
>> with "6" and was let in. Another member came to the door, the guard said
>> "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
>>
>> Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard. The guard
>> said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in. What should the
>> rejected man have said?
>>
>> ---
>> Morphy
>> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
>> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
>
>Given that you can construct an arbitrary number of functions that past
>through any number of points, no amount of observing additional points
>will tell the man anything useful unless he's asked about a number he's
>already seen.
>
Huh?

Are you saying that another few examples wouldn't eliminate some of
the possible answers?

Just for my own dumb self, I've seen a few answers that fit the 2
examples given.

>This of course assumes it's a function, which seems likely, but the
>numbers may have nothing to do with it.
>

I won't be convinced until I see Elasticuss deliver a mathematical
proof.

Morphy's answer not so much.


   
Date: 06 Feb 2009 14:10:39
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: number puzzle
> Huh?
>
> Are you saying that another few examples wouldn't eliminate some of
> the possible answers?

No. I'm saying there are an infinite number of possible answers.
Eliminating 90% of them that don't fit the new info leaves you with an
infinite number of possible answers. The only way that you can determine
f given N (x,f(x)) pairs, N finite is if you have some restriction on the
class of functions f comes from (i.e. quadratic or something). There was
no such restriction in the problem. Hence no answer.


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Date: 06 Feb 2009 22:13:22
From: Clave
Subject: Re: number puzzle
"Wayne Vinson" <a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:v3pu56xqrv.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> Huh?
>>
>> Are you saying that another few examples wouldn't eliminate some of
>> the possible answers?
>
> No. I'm saying there are an infinite number of possible answers.
> Eliminating 90% of them that don't fit the new info leaves you with an
> infinite number of possible answers. The only way that you can determine
> f given N (x,f(x)) pairs, N finite is if you have some restriction on the
> class of functions f comes from (i.e. quadratic or something). There was
> no such restriction in the problem. Hence no answer.

Actually, yours is the correct answer -- not enough information given.

Jim




   
Date: 04 Feb 2009 20:26:10
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 4 2009 9:20 PM, FL Turbo wrote:

> I won't be convinced until I see Elasticuss deliver a mathematical
> proof.
>
> Morphy's answer not so much.

It's not a mathematical problem.

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 16:22:50
From: mrtnfisher
Subject: Re: number puzzle
The answer is 7.
If the guard said a "T" number(Twelve) the response was an "S" number
(Six).
If the guard said an "S" number(Six), the response was a T number
(Three).

Therefore if the guard says 10, 7 will get you in.
- Marty


 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 16:17:44
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: number puzzle
> One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member responded
> with "6" and was let in. Another member came to the door, the guard said
> "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
>
> Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard. The guard
> said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in. What should the
> rejected man have said?

8

1+2+6 = 9
6+3=9
1+0+8=9


Dean

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 16:19:37
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: number puzzle
> 8
>

Nevermind, googled it, 3 is correct.

Dean

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 17:42:44
From: Kyle T. Jones
Subject: Re: number puzzle
XaQ Morphy, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh, 2/4/2009 4:18
PM or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on Usenet:
> A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
> guard at the door of the club house. The guard said a number to each
> member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number of
> their own. If the member responded with the correct number they were let
> in. If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.
>
> One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member responded
> with "6" and was let in. Another member came to the door, the guard said
> "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
>
> Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard. The guard
> said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in. What should the
> rejected man have said?
>

"Here's a Benjamin, C-Ya!".

I liked mo's version better, though.

Cheers.


 
Date: 04 Feb 2009 15:33:36
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 4 2009 5:18 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
> guard at the door of the club house. The guard said a number to each
> member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number of
> their own. If the member responded with the correct number they were let
> in. If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.
>
> One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member responded
> with "6" and was let in. Another member came to the door, the guard said
> "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
>
> Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard. The guard
> said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in. What should the
> rejected man have said?
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra

He should have said three.

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 15:04:09
From: number6
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 5, 2:32=A0pm, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net > wrote:
> "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:vbpr56xmuh.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> > On Feb 5 2009 12:33 PM, James L. Hankins wrote:
>
> >> Maybe you should do that. =A0Then you would know that 3 is not the onl=
y
> >> answer.
>
> > If you can find a way to spell "ten" using a number of letters other th=
an
> > 3, please let me know.
>
> X.
>
> YW.

Decem would make 5 correct ...


  
Date: 05 Feb 2009 16:22:26
From: number6
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 5, 6:54=A0pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Feb 5 2009 5:05 PM, number6 wrote:
>
> > But that's why it is a crap puzzle ...
>
> It was brought up in a workshop on interviewing skills. =A0The main point
> behind it is that without all of the information needed to make a decisio=
n
> you can make decisions that are completely wrong and put you into a bad
> situation with the interviewer. =A0I thought it would work well here on R=
GP
> because most of you idiots get things so incredibly wrong on a daily basi=
s
> that Websters is soon going to have to invent a new word to replace wrong=
.
>
> Based on the responses, especially yours, it looks like I was right.
>

I enjoy solving puzzles ... and do many different types ... especially
relish difficult logic problems ... This puzzle is crap ... and if you
think it is good ... then your opinion of what is good is also
crap ... face it ... it was a crap puzzle ... If you state it was used
in a workshop environment .. then you lied calling it a puzzle ...
Your ad hominem attack on me is idiotic ... My response was that many
answers were possible ... just off the top of my head ... and then
later that as a puzzle it was crap ...
for that I'm an idiot ??? Geesh ... get a fucking life ...





   
Date: 05 Feb 2009 16:36:46
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 5 2009 6:22 PM, number6 wrote:

> I enjoy solving puzzles ... and do many different types ... especially
> relish difficult logic problems ... This puzzle is crap ... and if you
> think it is good ... then your opinion of what is good is also
> crap ... face it ... it was a crap puzzle ... If you state it was used
> in a workshop environment .. then you lied calling it a puzzle ...
> Your ad hominem attack on me is idiotic ... My response was that many
> answers were possible ... just off the top of my head ... and then
> later that as a puzzle it was crap ...
> for that I'm an idiot ??? Geesh ... get a fucking life ...

holy shit ... reading ... that just ... gave me ... a ... seizure.

..

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 18:45:29
From: mccard
Subject: Re: number puzzle

"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:u9ds56xc6l.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 5 2009 6:22 PM, number6 wrote:
>
>> I enjoy solving puzzles ... and do many different types ... especially
>> relish difficult logic problems ... This puzzle is crap ... and if you
>> think it is good ... then your opinion of what is good is also
>> crap ... face it ... it was a crap puzzle ... If you state it was used
>> in a workshop environment .. then you lied calling it a puzzle ...
>> Your ad hominem attack on me is idiotic ... My response was that many
>> answers were possible ... just off the top of my head ... and then
>> later that as a puzzle it was crap ...
>> for that I'm an idiot ??? Geesh ... get a fucking life ...
>
> holy shit ... reading ... that just ... gave me ... a ... seizure.
>
Bill....Shatner....selling....soap.....Xaq.



  
Date: 05 Feb 2009 15:05:09
From: number6
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 5, 4:56=A0pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Feb 5 2009 2:58 PM, Kyle T. Jones wrote:
>
> > I don't think that's his point, Morph. =A0There are many answers that f=
it
> > with the included data - yours works, but so do several of the other
> > ones that people have mentioned in this thread.
>
> > Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't see any reason (from the
> > example provided) to prefer the "count the letters" response.
>
> Because that's the answer to this particular puzzle. =A0You can go up to =
the
> guard and spout off 37 ways to make up patterns with the numbers that you
> overheard, but if you don't give him the answer of "three", he's not
> letting you in.
>

But that's why it is a crap puzzle ...


   
Date: 05 Feb 2009 15:54:41
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 5 2009 5:05 PM, number6 wrote:

> But that's why it is a crap puzzle ...

It was brought up in a workshop on interviewing skills. The main point
behind it is that without all of the information needed to make a decision
you can make decisions that are completely wrong and put you into a bad
situation with the interviewer. I thought it would work well here on RGP
because most of you idiots get things so incredibly wrong on a daily basis
that Websters is soon going to have to invent a new word to replace wrong.

Based on the responses, especially yours, it looks like I was right.

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"I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 20:40:32
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: number puzzle

"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:1ras56xatk.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 5 2009 5:05 PM, number6 wrote:
>
>> But that's why it is a crap puzzle ...
>
> It was brought up in a workshop on interviewing skills. The main point
> behind it is that without all of the information needed to make a decision
> you can make decisions that are completely wrong and put you into a bad
> situation with the interviewer. I thought it would work well here on RGP
> because most of you idiots get things so incredibly wrong on a daily basis
> that Websters is soon going to have to invent a new word to replace wrong.
>
> Based on the responses, especially yours, it looks like I was right.



A workshop on interviewing skills? No wonder this country is in such dire
financial shape. What drooling idiot would use that question to find out
anything about interviewing skills?




     
Date: 05 Feb 2009 22:14:35
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 5 2009 8:40 PM, James L. Hankins wrote:

> A workshop on interviewing skills? No wonder this country is in such dire
> financial shape. What drooling idiot would use that question to find out
> anything about interviewing skills?

It was a 5 minute exercise used to prove a bigger point. I'd get into
that, but since RGP is still trying to figure out some calculus equation
to try and get into the club, I don't think it's the right time.

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Date: 06 Feb 2009 06:42:20
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: number puzzle
"XaQ Morphy"

>> A workshop on interviewing skills? No wonder this country is in such
>> dire
>> financial shape. What drooling idiot would use that question to find out
>> anything about interviewing skills?
>
> It was a 5 minute exercise used to prove a bigger point. I'd get into
> that, but since RGP is still trying to figure out some calculus equation
> to try and get into the club, I don't think it's the right time.

Morphy ... the drooling idiot is a little strong ... I would not advise
James to incorporate it into his teaching style.

Such examples when used out of the context in which they were employed often
lose value on RGP.

I remember an IBM test that was used during recruitment in that late 60's
... most of the questions were sequences of numbers and a fill in the blank
for the next number. Maybe a hundred of them from the easy to the medium to
very difficult.

However, there was only one real answer.

1,2,3,4

2,4,6,8

1,3,5,7,11,13,17

but the one that I skipped and went up to talk about later with the
recruiters, I have mentioned here before.

14,23,28,33,42,51,59 the next number is (of course) 68 ... and following
that ... 77,86,96,103,110,116

Someone on RGP knew the correct numbers. I did not. I certainly did not
think the sequence was "fair" in the mathematical sense, but they were
looking for reactions, not specifics.

I can see that "thinking about a problem" may have been the point in your
number puzzle ... this is often the case in interview situations. Knowing
the answer is often not the point ... it is thinking about the problem and
deciding how one might go about finding the answer ... or even discovering
that there are many answers ... or determining that there is no "best"
answer ... or discovering that there is NO "good" answer. Good questions
are often better than "answers."

Different personalities react to "questions" in different ways. Some people
are driven by time ... if the "leader" has asked a question and said they
want the answer by midnight tonight, there are many people that will settle
for a "bad" answer that satisfies the time requirement when violation of the
time requirement might be the "best" solution to the original "problem".

This sort of substitution of the need for a solution often deflects effort
from reevaluation of the understanding of the problem.

Rush to solution is not always the best process in resolving the perceived
problem. Not always, but many times.

Reminds me of what is going on right now ... does ANYONE know what is in the
stimulus package? What are they voting on?

The CBO has said that the versions that they have seen will have some short
term "good" but in the long term, it is all "bad."

GDP is doomed. But only if we rush to "pass something" right now ...
immediately. Don't discuss it. Just do it.




       
Date: 06 Feb 2009 07:08:54
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 6 2009 6:42 AM, da pickle wrote:

> I can see that "thinking about a problem" may have been the point in your
> number puzzle ... this is often the case in interview situations. Knowing
> the answer is often not the point ... it is thinking about the problem and
> deciding how one might go about finding the answer ... or even discovering
> that there are many answers ... or determining that there is no "best"
> answer ... or discovering that there is NO "good" answer. Good questions
> are often better than "answers."

Yeah this is exactly what the point of the little puzzle was. As I
pointed out earlier, sure you can make up a bazillion different patterns
that fit to those numbers, but in a real world scenario if this were a
real club, the guard only would allow one answer.

I cheated a bit, I'll admit. In the example we were given, the numbers
were spelled out. Looking at it this way:

twelve = six
six = three
ten = three

..makes much more sense. However, I knew if I put the actual numbers in
that most RGPers would tunnel vision themselves into thinking it was a
math problem. I wasn't disappointed!

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Date: 06 Feb 2009 12:31:50
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: number puzzle
"XaQ Morphy"

> ..makes much more sense. However, I knew if I put the actual numbers in
> that most RGPers would tunnel vision themselves into thinking it was a
> math problem. I wasn't disappointed!

Are you coming to BARGE this summer, Morphy? How about MARGE?




  
Date: 05 Feb 2009 07:14:07
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 4 2009 5:33 PM, MMelia wrote:

> He should have said three.

That is correct.

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 08:12:31
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 5 2009 9:14 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Feb 4 2009 5:33 PM, MMelia wrote:
>
> > He should have said three.
>
> That is correct.

and the logic is ?
>
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>
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Date: 05 Feb 2009 08:32:25
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 5 2009 10:12 AM, FangBanger wrote:

> and the logic is ?

It's not a math problem, it's a logic problem. Try looking at it
differently.

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 12:33:50
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: number puzzle

"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:ptgr56xcdg.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 5 2009 10:12 AM, FangBanger wrote:
>
>> and the logic is ?
>
> It's not a math problem, it's a logic problem. Try looking at it
> differently.



Maybe you should do that. Then you would know that 3 is not the only
answer.




      
Date: 05 Feb 2009 10:54:50
From: Omaholic
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 5 2009 10:33 AM, James L. Hankins wrote:

> "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ptgr56xcdg.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Feb 5 2009 10:12 AM, FangBanger wrote:
> >
> >> and the logic is ?
> >
> > It's not a math problem, it's a logic problem. Try looking at it
> > differently.
>
>
>
> Maybe you should do that. Then you would know that 3 is not the only
> answer.

Yes, but is the most obvious one. Ok, the second most obvious one.

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 10:56:31
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 5 2009 12:33 PM, James L. Hankins wrote:

> Maybe you should do that. Then you would know that 3 is not the only
> answer.

If you can find a way to spell "ten" using a number of letters other than
3, please let me know.

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 14:58:04
From: Kyle T. Jones
Subject: Re: number puzzle
XaQ Morphy, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh, 2/5/2009
12:56 PM or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on
Usenet:
> On Feb 5 2009 12:33 PM, James L. Hankins wrote:
>
>> Maybe you should do that. Then you would know that 3 is not the only
>> answer.
>
> If you can find a way to spell "ten" using a number of letters other than
> 3, please let me know.
>

I don't think that's his point, Morph. There are many answers that fit
with the included data - yours works, but so do several of the other
ones that people have mentioned in this thread.

Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't see any reason (from the
example provided) to prefer the "count the letters" response.

Cheers.


        
Date: 05 Feb 2009 13:56:58
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 5 2009 2:58 PM, Kyle T. Jones wrote:

> I don't think that's his point, Morph. There are many answers that fit
> with the included data - yours works, but so do several of the other
> ones that people have mentioned in this thread.
>
> Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't see any reason (from the
> example provided) to prefer the "count the letters" response.

Because that's the answer to this particular puzzle. You can go up to the
guard and spout off 37 ways to make up patterns with the numbers that you
overheard, but if you don't give him the answer of "three", he's not
letting you in.

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 16:10:07
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: number puzzle

"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:au3s56xorj.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 5 2009 2:58 PM, Kyle T. Jones wrote:
>
>> I don't think that's his point, Morph. There are many answers that fit
>> with the included data - yours works, but so do several of the other
>> ones that people have mentioned in this thread.
>>
>> Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't see any reason (from the
>> example provided) to prefer the "count the letters" response.
>
> Because that's the answer to this particular puzzle. You can go up to the
> guard and spout off 37 ways to make up patterns with the numbers that you
> overheard, but if you don't give him the answer of "three", he's not
> letting you in.



LOL! Good one.




       
Date: 05 Feb 2009 11:03:22
From: GrouchySmurf1002
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 5 2009 1:56 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Feb 5 2009 12:33 PM, James L. Hankins wrote:
>
> > Maybe you should do that. Then you would know that 3 is not the only
> > answer.
>
> If you can find a way to spell "ten" using a number of letters other than
> 3, please let me know.

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 11:08:21
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 5 2009 1:03 PM, GrouchySmurf1002 wrote:

> Diez.

I knew I should have specified "in English." lol

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 11:48:00
From: GrouchySmurf1002
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 5 2009 2:08 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Feb 5 2009 1:03 PM, GrouchySmurf1002 wrote:
>
> > Diez.
>
> I knew I should have specified "in English." lol

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 13:55:54
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 5 2009 1:48 PM, GrouchySmurf1002 wrote:

> FirstAlbumbyPearlJam.

Yikes. I feel thoroughly owned now. Thanks!

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 12:47:29
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: number puzzle
> FirstAlbumbyPearlJam.

One of my favorite albums.

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 13:32:05
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: number puzzle

"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:vbpr56xmuh.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 5 2009 12:33 PM, James L. Hankins wrote:
>
>> Maybe you should do that. Then you would know that 3 is not the only
>> answer.
>
> If you can find a way to spell "ten" using a number of letters other than
> 3, please let me know.



X.

YW.




     
Date: 05 Feb 2009 13:32:34
From: Bill Hartwick
Subject: Re: number puzzle


XaQ Morphy wrote:
> On Feb 5 2009 10:12 AM, FangBanger wrote:
>
>
>>and the logic is ?
>
>
> It's not a math problem, it's a logic problem. Try looking at it
> differently.
>
> ---
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> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
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>

Would the man be let in if he had said 6?



      
Date: 05 Feb 2009 10:55:41
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 5 2009 12:32 PM, Bill Hartwick wrote:

> Would the man be let in if he had said 6?

No.

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 08:19:05
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: number puzzle
> and the logic is ?

Do you need to be told EVERYTHING you f000000kin simpleton?

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 15:42:24
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 4 2009 6:33 PM, MMelia wrote:

> On Feb 4 2009 5:18 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
> > A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
> > guard at the door of the club house. The guard said a number to each
> > member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number of
> > their own. If the member responded with the correct number they were let
> > in. If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.
> >
> > One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member responded
> > with "6" and was let in. Another member came to the door, the guard said
> > "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
> >
> > Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard. The guard
> > said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in. What should the
> > rejected man have said?
> >
> > ---
> > Morphy
> > xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> > http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> >
> > "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
> >
> > "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> > obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
> He should have said three.

Come on Morph... I win. Its three... if he said seven then the reply is
5.. (Just to prove it) I won't give it away.

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 15:12:56
From: phlash74
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 4, 2:18=A0pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
> guard at the door of the club house. =A0The guard said a number to each
> member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number of
> their own. =A0If the member responded with the correct number they were l=
et
> in. =A0If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.
>
> One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member responded
> with "6" and was let in. =A0Another member came to the door, the guard sa=
id
> "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
>
> Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard. =A0The guard
> said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in. =A0What should the
> rejected man have said?
>
> ---
> Morphy
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>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" =A0--igotskillz
>
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> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
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Without reading any responses, I'm going to guess the man should have
said 8. If the guard says a two-digit number, your response and the
guard's number should add to 18. If the guard says a one-digit
number, your response and the guard's number should add to 9.

Michael
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Date: 04 Feb 2009 16:20:07
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 4 2009 6:12 PM, phlash74 wrote:

> On Feb 4, 2:18 pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
> > guard at the door of the club house.  The guard said a number to each
> > member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number of
> > their own.  If the member responded with the correct number they were let
> > in.  If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.
> >
> > One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member responded
> > with "6" and was let in.  Another member came to the door, the guard said
> > "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
> >
> > Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard.  The guard
> > said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in.  What should the
> > rejected man have said?
> >
> > ---
> > Morphy
> > xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> >
> > "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho"  --igotskillz
> >
> > "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> > obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
> >
> Without reading any responses, I'm going to guess the man should have
> said 8. If the guard says a two-digit number, your response and the
> guard's number should add to 18. If the guard says a one-digit
> number, your response and the guard's number should add to 9.
>
> Michael
> U.S. American

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 17:32:08
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 4 2009 6:20 PM, MMelia wrote:

> Its 3. Wager?

Ok Mr. Smarty Pants, what's the answer for 1,347,971,669?

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 18:39:18
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: number puzzle

"MMelia" <a4f63df@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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> On Feb 4 2009 6:12 PM, phlash74 wrote:
>
>> On Feb 4, 2:18 pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>> > A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
>> > guard at the door of the club house. The guard said a number to each
>> > member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number
>> > of
>> > their own. If the member responded with the correct number they were
>> > let
>> > in. If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.
>> >
>> > One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member
>> > responded
>> > with "6" and was let in. Another member came to the door, the guard
>> > said
>> > "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
>> >
>> > Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard. The guard
>> > said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in. What should the
>> > rejected man have said?
>> >
>> > ---
>> > Morphy
>> > xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>> >
>> > "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>> >
>> > "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
>> > obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>> >
>> Without reading any responses, I'm going to guess the man should have
>> said 8. If the guard says a two-digit number, your response and the
>> guard's number should add to 18. If the guard says a one-digit
>> number, your response and the guard's number should add to 9.
>>
>> Michael
>> U.S. American
>
> Its 3. Wager?



What's the wager? That the only answer is 3?




   
Date: 04 Feb 2009 16:34:40
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 4 2009 7:20 PM, MMelia wrote:

> On Feb 4 2009 6:12 PM, phlash74 wrote:
>
> > On Feb 4, 2:18 pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > > A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
> > > guard at the door of the club house.  The guard said a number to each
> > > member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number of
> > > their own.  If the member responded with the correct number they were let
> > > in.  If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.
> > >
> > > One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member responded
> > > with "6" and was let in.  Another member came to the door, the guard said
> > > "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
> > >
> > > Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard.  The guard
> > > said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in.  What should the
> > > rejected man have said?
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Morphy
> > > xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> > >
> > > "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho"  --igotskillz
> > >
> > > "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> > > obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
> > >
> > Without reading any responses, I'm going to guess the man should have
> > said 8. If the guard says a two-digit number, your response and the
> > guard's number should add to 18. If the guard says a one-digit
> > number, your response and the guard's number should add to 9.
> >
> > Michael
> > U.S. American
>
> Its 3. Wager?

You really are like that annoying little pimply-faced kid in school who
always raises his hand every time the teacher asks a question: "OOh! I
Know! PICK ME! OOH! TEACHER! PICK ME! VINDICATE ME! LOVE ME!!!!!"

Fell
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Date: 04 Feb 2009 17:23:33
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 4 2009 7:34 PM, FellKnight wrote:

> On Feb 4 2009 7:20 PM, MMelia wrote:
>
> > On Feb 4 2009 6:12 PM, phlash74 wrote:
> >
> > > On Feb 4, 2:18 pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > > > A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
> > > > guard at the door of the club house.  The guard said a number to each
> > > > member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number
of
> > > > their own.  If the member responded with the correct number they were
let
> > > > in.  If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.
> > > >
> > > > One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member
responded
> > > > with "6" and was let in.  Another member came to the door, the guard
said
> > > > "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
> > > >
> > > > Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard.  The guard
> > > > said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in.  What should the
> > > > rejected man have said?
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Morphy
> > > > xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> > > >
> > > > "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho"  --igotskillz
> > > >
> > > > "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> > > > obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
> > > >
> > > Without reading any responses, I'm going to guess the man should have
> > > said 8. If the guard says a two-digit number, your response and the
> > > guard's number should add to 18. If the guard says a one-digit
> > > number, your response and the guard's number should add to 9.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > > U.S. American
> >
> > Its 3. Wager?
>
> You really are like that annoying little pimply-faced kid in school who
> always raises his hand every time the teacher asks a question: "OOh! I
> Know! PICK ME! OOH! TEACHER! PICK ME! VINDICATE ME! LOVE ME!!!!!"
>
> Fell
> --
> "Don't underestimate Fell. He's a smart kid."
> - Paul Popinjay, RGP, Nov 15, 2008

Ya, I know.

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 16:19:09
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 4 2009 3:12 PM, phlash74 wrote:

> On Feb 4, 2:18 pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
> > guard at the door of the club house.  The guard said a number to each
> > member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number of
> > their own.  If the member responded with the correct number they were let
> > in.  If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.
> >
> > One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member responded
> > with "6" and was let in.  Another member came to the door, the guard said
> > "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
> >
> > Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard.  The guard
> > said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in.  What should the
> > rejected man have said?

> >
> > ---
> > Morphy
> > xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> >
> > "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho"  --igotskillz
> >
> > "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> > obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
> >
> Without reading any responses, I'm going to guess the man should have
> said 8. If the guard says a two-digit number, your response and the
> guard's number should add to 18. If the guard says a one-digit
> number, your response and the guard's number should add to 9.
>
> Michael
> U.S. American

I think 8 also, but for a different reason. Both of the other two guys
gave a number half of the number given to them. Half of 10 is 8 (in hex).

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 18:46:13
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: number puzzle

"brewmaster" <a163b@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:tsnp56xu69.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 4 2009 3:12 PM, phlash74 wrote:
>
>> On Feb 4, 2:18 pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>> > A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
>> > guard at the door of the club house. The guard said a number to each
>> > member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number
>> > of
>> > their own. If the member responded with the correct number they were
>> > let
>> > in. If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.
>> >
>> > One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member
>> > responded
>> > with "6" and was let in. Another member came to the door, the guard
>> > said
>> > "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
>> >
>> > Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard. The guard
>> > said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in. What should the
>> > rejected man have said?
>
>> >
>> > ---
>> > Morphy
>> > xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>> >
>> > "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>> >
>> > "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
>> > obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>> >
>> Without reading any responses, I'm going to guess the man should have
>> said 8. If the guard says a two-digit number, your response and the
>> guard's number should add to 18. If the guard says a one-digit
>> number, your response and the guard's number should add to 9.
>>
>> Michael
>> U.S. American
>
> I think 8 also, but for a different reason. Both of the other two guys
> gave a number half of the number given to them. Half of 10 is 8 (in hex).
>
> Brew



8 because the rule is that if the guard says a number that, if spelled out,
contains six letters, the answer must be a number that contains three
letters.

If he calls out a number that contains three letters, the response must be a
number that contains five letters. So, a correct response to "10" is eight
(or three), but not five.




   
Date: 04 Feb 2009 16:33:18
From: Jason Pawloski
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 4 2009 5:19 PM, brewmaster wrote:

> On Feb 4 2009 3:12 PM, phlash74 wrote:
>
> > On Feb 4, 2:18 pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > > A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
> > > guard at the door of the club house.  The guard said a number to each
> > > member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number of
> > > their own.  If the member responded with the correct number they were let
> > > in.  If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.
> > >
> > > One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member responded
> > > with "6" and was let in.  Another member came to the door, the guard said
> > > "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
> > >
> > > Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard.  The guard
> > > said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in.  What should the
> > > rejected man have said?
>
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Morphy
> > > xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> > >
> > > "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho"  --igotskillz
> > >
> > > "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> > > obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
> > >
> > Without reading any responses, I'm going to guess the man should have
> > said 8. If the guard says a two-digit number, your response and the
> > guard's number should add to 18. If the guard says a one-digit
> > number, your response and the guard's number should add to 9.
> >
> > Michael
> > U.S. American
>
> I think 8 also, but for a different reason. Both of the other two guys
> gave a number half of the number given to them. Half of 10 is 8 (in hex).
>
> Brew
> --
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What am I missing? 12 hex = 18 dec, so wouldn't the correct answer in the
first case be 9?

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 15:27:56
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 4 2009 5:12 PM, phlash74 wrote:

> On Feb 4, 2:18 pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
> > guard at the door of the club house.  The guard said a number to each
> > member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number of
> > their own.  If the member responded with the correct number they were let
> > in.  If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.
> >
> > One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member responded
> > with "6" and was let in.  Another member came to the door, the guard said
> > "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
> >
> > Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard.  The guard
> > said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in.  What should the
> > rejected man have said?
> >
> > ---
> > Morphy
> > xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> >
> > "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho"  --igotskillz
> >
> > "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> > obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
> >
> Without reading any responses, I'm going to guess the man should have
> said 8. If the guard says a two-digit number, your response and the
> guard's number should add to 18. If the guard says a one-digit
> number, your response and the guard's number should add to 9.
>
> Michael
> U.S. American

Intersting .. I went with 2 digit number , subtract 6 .. single digit
number subtract 3


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Date: 04 Feb 2009 14:15:48
From: Mike Franklin
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 4, 2:18=A0pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
> guard at the door of the club house. =A0The guard said a number to each
> member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number of
> their own. =A0If the member responded with the correct number they were l=
et
> in. =A0If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.
>
> One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member responded
> with "6" and was let in. =A0Another member came to the door, the guard sa=
id
> "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
>
> Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard. =A0The guard
> said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in. =A0What should the
> rejected man have said?

"3"

Mike


  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 14:24:33
From: number6
Subject: Re: number puzzle
On Feb 4, 5:15=A0pm, Mike Franklin <mkfrn...@msn.com > wrote:
> On Feb 4, 2:18=A0pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> > A man wanted to get into a member's only club so he hid and watched the
> > guard at the door of the club house. =A0The guard said a number to each
> > member as they approached, and the member would respond with a number o=
f
> > their own. =A0If the member responded with the correct number they were=
let
> > in. =A0If they responded incorrectly they were thrown out.
>
> > One member came up to the door, the guard said "12" the member responde=
d
> > with "6" and was let in. =A0Another member came to the door, the guard =
said
> > "6" the member responded with "3" and was let in.
>
> > Believing he had heard enough, the man went up to the guard. =A0The gua=
rd
> > said "10" the man said "5" but he was not let in. =A0What should the
> > rejected man have said?
>
> "3"
>

That's one possible answer ... I can justify a a couple of others at
first glance ... The problem with these is that with such little
information ... one can logically entertain several answers the one
given and rejected being the most obvious ...
Mensa usually clarifies it as the "best" and then argues why one is
better than the others ...