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Date: 11 Dec 2008 05:48:14
From: talldkhdsm
Subject: no fold em holdem
Playing 2-4 hold em at fort pierce poker room. I cannot seem to get
ahead much . playing 4 months and only 49.00 ahead my smallest suited
cards i play is t9 and my smallest non suited cards i play are kj.
they are playing everything. I noticed the biggest pots seem to have a
straight when some one comes in with say 98 etc. What the heck am i
doing wrong. they play the crap and mostly they win. Am i playing to
tight etc. Anyone?, Thanks, Harry. there is no upper limit games
except 2-4 and i know it pounds the heck out of you with a 5$ rake.
mabye the answer is in front of me. I did try some no limit 1&2
BLINDS AND SEEM TO HOLD a few weeks BUT WHEN I BET 70.00 AND A GUY
PUT ME ALL IN 220 MORE WITH a A9 OF CLUBS AND THE ACE HIT RIGHT AWAY
ALL MY TIGHT GRINDING WENT SOWN THE DRAIN. (Caps stuck sorry) It did
agrevate me so i went to limit . I am a calm player most 99% of time
and i did not say anything but some times the suck out (other hands)
kill everything a tight player like me has built up . I have a ton of
poker books and have been playing since 18 and now 68. I hate hold em
the worst. But its the only game in town.




 
Date: 12 Dec 2008 12:05:17
From: talldkhdsm
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11, 12:21=A0pm, Will in New Haven
<bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com > wrote:
> On Dec 11, 12:16=A0pm, talldkhdsm <harryend...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 11, 10:08=A0am, "CincinnatiKid" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 11 2008 9:48 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
> > > > On Dec 11, 9:18 am, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wro=
te:
> > > > > "talldkhdsm"
>
> > > > > > I noticed the biggest pots seem to have a
> > > > > > straight when some one comes in with say 98 etc. What the heck =
am i
> > > > > > doing wrong. they play the crap and mostly they win.
>
> > > > > I still think Gary Carson's book is golden for this sort of game.
>
> > > > I found Carson's book great for loose games but I don't know whethe=
r
> > > > you can do much when faced with that @#$@#$ rake he described. If t=
he
> > > > stakes were a bit higher, sure. Beating loose games is possible but
> > > > the house is hard to beat.
>
> > > > Besides, thinking it is terribly wrong to play 98 and that "tight" =
is
> > > > a really meaningful word in such a game makes me think that the op
> > > > wants to make money pretending he is in a mythical $20/40 game in L=
as
> > > > Vegas in 1972 and not the game he is in. And he can't do that.
>
> > > > --
> > > > Will in New Haven
>
> > > I always pretend I'm Chris Moneymaker at the final table of the 2003 =
WSOP.
>
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> > In my estimation he plays to loose
>
> The Kid was kidding. Anyway, hand selection at the final table of a
> big tournament has almost no relation to hand selection in a tight
> limit game and THAT has almost no relation to hand selection in a
> loose limit game. You need to adjust your thinking to the game you are
> in.
>
> To be fair, it doesn't sound like you are doing that badly. The rake
> is a killer at that level. Even in a loose game, the pots aren't going
> to be big enough to overcome it. It also takes a ton of money off the
> table, money you might have won later.
>
> --
> Will in New Haven- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Will, I switched to 1-2 $ blinds no limit and even though the cards
were bad for 4 hours i seen a difference in players folding and made
$2.00 lol. Thanks to you and all i will be playing no limit again.
Harry


 
Date: 11 Dec 2008 18:55:35
From: eldo77
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11 2008 8:48 AM, talldkhdsm wrote:

> Playing 2-4 hold em at fort pierce poker room. I cannot seem to get
> ahead much . playing 4 months and only 49.00 ahead my smallest suited
> cards i play is t9 and my smallest non suited cards i play are kj.

If you're breaking even at 2-4 limit you're doing better than 99% of
players in this game.Low limit poker is designed for drawouts to keep the
money circling and the players in their seats.

What the heck am i
> doing wrong.

Nothing


> except 2-4 and i know it pounds the heck out of you with a 5$ rake.
> mabye the answer is in front of me.

The answer is in front of you.It's the drop box.

eldo77

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Date: 11 Dec 2008 18:22:08
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
> ahead much . playing 4 months and only 49.00 ahead my smallest suited

> except 2-4 and i know it pounds the heck out of you with a 5$ rake.
> mabye the answer is in front of me.

If you are up $49 in that game after 4 months with that rake then you are
doing very well. I would suggest not playing the game if you're interested
in making any real hourly rate. If that is not an option, then think of it
as free entertainment. It certainly isn't a place to make money.

I would go back to the NL game, properly bankrolled, so you don't remember
1 bad beat so vividly.

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Date: 11 Dec 2008 11:00:20
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11, 1:49=A0pm, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Dec 11 2008 11:18 AM, croupec wrote:
>
> > I hope you take everyone's advice hear on the rake to heart. =A0If they
> > are spreading 4/8 with the same rake, you would still be getting the
> > short end of it but if the players are as bad as they are in most 4/8s
> > you could beat the game. =A0Gary's book and Lee Jones' book should be r=
e-
> > read. =A0In a few words - don't fall in love with premium pairs when 5
> > people take the flop and it comes
>
> co-ordinated. =A0 ??? =A0If the flop matches the drapes ? =A0wtf ?
>
> If you know there
>
> > will be 5 or 6 people seeing every flop no matter what the pre-flop
> > action is =A0- you can loosen up with suited (even unsuited) connectors
> > and one gappers (100% of the time in late position and even in early
> > position).
>
> if that is the kind of advice gary is giving in his book.. it is just
> plain irresponsible

You are an idiot. To take what someone says in an internet post and
judge a book by it is probably even sillier than judging it by its
cover.

>
> there is an old adage that says "Play loose in a tight game and tight in =
a
> loose game" =A0There is a reason that has been around for 40 years .

Yes, because idiots like you spread it like it was gospel. To the
extent that it is true, it should read "Play aggressively in tight
games" and "You need a very good hand to win in loose games." That
doesn't mean you need great starting cards in a loose game. It means
you have to fold a lot of hands on the flop.

>
> telling people to get in a splash around with 'one gappers' is just plain
> wrong.. i would hope it is prefaced with the correct information , about
> when and where and why to do it !!

There's actually quite a bit about that sort of thing in the book. And
in Miller and Sklansky's book. Loose-game holdem is a different game
than tight-game holdem.

>
> If you want to use carson's book , I suggest making a door stop out of it
> =A0It will be of much more value to you !!

A book that you haven't read.

--
Will in New Haven


>
> =A0Give that whirl - see a few more flops and work on your
>
> > post-flop game to get a better feel for when TPTK is good and when it
> > is crushed.
>
> > Croupe
>
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities=
.
> Voltaire
>
> ------=A0
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Date: 11 Dec 2008 10:56:12
From: Deadmoney Walking
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem

> if that is the kind of advice gary is giving in his book.. it is just
> plain irresponsible
>
> there is an old adage that says "Play loose in a tight game and tight in =
a
> loose game" =A0There is a reason that has been around for 40 years .
>

Because we want people to keep believing it.


 
Date: 11 Dec 2008 10:36:41
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11, 1:36=A0pm, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Dec 11 2008 10:58 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 11, 11:48=A0am, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > > On Dec 11 2008 8:48 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
> > > > On Dec 11, 9:18=A0am, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> w=
rote:
> > > > > "talldkhdsm"
>
> > > > > > I noticed the biggest pots seem to have a
> > > > > > straight when some one comes in with say 98 etc. What the heck =
am i
> > > > > > doing wrong. they play the crap and mostly they win.
>
> > > > > I still think Gary Carson's book is golden for this sort of game.
>
> > > > I found Carson's book great for loose games but I don't know whethe=
r
> > > > you can do much when faced with that @#$@#$ rake he described. If t=
he
> > > > stakes were a bit higher, sure. Beating loose games is possible but
> > > > the house is hard to beat.
>
> > > > Besides, thinking it is terribly wrong to play 98 and that "tight" =
is
> > > > a really meaningful word in such a game makes me think that the op
> > > > wants to make money pretending he is in a mythical $20/40 game in L=
as
> > > > Vegas in 1972 and not the game he is in. And he can't do that.
>
> > > > --
> > > > Will in New Haven
>
> > > THEY DIDNT HAVE 20-40 IN VEGAS IN 1972
>
> > > GN HAD 5-10 =A010-20- AND 15-30 =A0 NO 20-40
>
> > Did you see the word "mythical" up there? He is imagining playing in a
> > game where everyone plays "correctly" and he wins by playing "more
> > correctly."
>
> Yes , but you added 1972 . So it ws a "mythical' game at a definite time
> in history ?

Since the original poster seems not to really suffer from this
syndrome, I'll leave him out of this. However, there are many people
who play what they consider "correct" poker for an imaginary or
idealized game. They don't adjust to the game that they are in. The
expression I thought up for this malady, that they are playing in a
mythical 20/40 game in Las Vegas in 1972, seems to have triggered your
"I know something" button. No one cares what you know. Shut up and sit
down.

--
Will in New Haven


 
Date: 11 Dec 2008 09:22:35
From: talldkhdsm
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11, 11:58=A0am, Will in New Haven
<bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com > wrote:
> On Dec 11, 11:48=A0am, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 11 2008 8:48 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 11, 9:18=A0am, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wro=
te:
> > > > "talldkhdsm"
>
> > > > > I noticed the biggest pots seem to have a
> > > > > straight when some one comes in with say 98 etc. What the heck am=
i
> > > > > doing wrong. they play the crap and mostly they win.
>
> > > > I still think Gary Carson's book is golden for this sort of game.
>
> > > I found Carson's book great for loose games but I don't know whether
> > > you can do much when faced with that @#$@#$ rake he described. If the
> > > stakes were a bit higher, sure. Beating loose games is possible but
> > > the house is hard to beat.
>
> > > Besides, thinking it is terribly wrong to play 98 and that "tight" is
> > > a really meaningful word in such a game makes me think that the op
> > > wants to make money pretending he is in a mythical $20/40 game in Las
> > > Vegas in 1972 and not the game he is in. And he can't do that.
>
> > > --
> > > Will in New Haven
>
> > THEY DIDNT HAVE 20-40 IN VEGAS IN 1972
>
> > GN HAD 5-10 =A010-20- AND 15-30 =A0 NO 20-40
>
> Did you see the word "mythical" up there? He is imagining playing in a
> game where everyone plays "correctly" and he wins by playing "more
> correctly."
>
> --
> Will in New Haven
>
>
>
>
>
> > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrociti=
es.
> > Voltaire
>
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Got it thanks


 
Date: 11 Dec 2008 09:21:13
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11, 12:16=A0pm, talldkhdsm <harryend...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Dec 11, 10:08=A0am, "CincinnatiKid" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 11 2008 9:48 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 11, 9:18 am, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote=
:
> > > > "talldkhdsm"
>
> > > > > I noticed the biggest pots seem to have a
> > > > > straight when some one comes in with say 98 etc. What the heck am=
i
> > > > > doing wrong. they play the crap and mostly they win.
>
> > > > I still think Gary Carson's book is golden for this sort of game.
>
> > > I found Carson's book great for loose games but I don't know whether
> > > you can do much when faced with that @#$@#$ rake he described. If the
> > > stakes were a bit higher, sure. Beating loose games is possible but
> > > the house is hard to beat.
>
> > > Besides, thinking it is terribly wrong to play 98 and that "tight" is
> > > a really meaningful word in such a game makes me think that the op
> > > wants to make money pretending he is in a mythical $20/40 game in Las
> > > Vegas in 1972 and not the game he is in. And he can't do that.
>
> > > --
> > > Will in New Haven
>
> > I always pretend I'm Chris Moneymaker at the final table of the 2003 WS=
OP.
>
> > --------=A0
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>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> In my estimation he plays to loose

The Kid was kidding. Anyway, hand selection at the final table of a
big tournament has almost no relation to hand selection in a tight
limit game and THAT has almost no relation to hand selection in a
loose limit game. You need to adjust your thinking to the game you are
in.

To be fair, it doesn't sound like you are doing that badly. The rake
is a killer at that level. Even in a loose game, the pots aren't going
to be big enough to overcome it. It also takes a ton of money off the
table, money you might have won later.

--
Will in New Haven


 
Date: 11 Dec 2008 09:20:50
From: talldkhdsm
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11, 11:46=A0am, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Dec 11 2008 8:18 AM, da pickle wrote:
>
> > "talldkhdsm"
>
> > > I noticed the biggest pots seem to have a
> > > straight when some one comes in with say 98 etc. What the heck am i
> > > doing wrong. they play the crap and mostly they win.
>
> > I still think Gary Carson's book is golden for this sort of game.
>
> Any book written for this game should have one page
>
> DONT PLAY !!..........................the end
>
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities=
.
> Voltaire
>
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=A0
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Ok thanks a lot i won't


 
Date: 11 Dec 2008 09:20:14
From: talldkhdsm
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11, 11:45=A0am, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Dec 11 2008 7:48 AM, talldkhdsm wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Playing 2-4 hold em at fort pierce poker room. I cannot seem to get
> > ahead much . playing 4 months and only 49.00 ahead my smallest suited
> > cards i play is t9 and my smallest non suited cards i play are kj.
> > they are playing everything. I noticed the biggest pots seem to have a
> > straight when some one comes in with say 98 etc. What the heck am i
> > doing wrong. they play the crap and mostly they win. Am i playing to
> > tight etc. Anyone?, Thanks, Harry. there is no upper limit games
> > except 2-4 and i know it pounds the heck out of you with a 5$ rake.
> > mabye the answer is in front of me. I did try some no limit =A01&2
> > BLINDS AND SEEM TO HOLD =A0a few weeks =A0BUT WHEN I BET 70.00 AND A GU=
Y
> > PUT ME ALL IN 220 MORE WITH a A9 OF CLUBS AND THE ACE HIT RIGHT AWAY
> > ALL MY TIGHT GRINDING WENT SOWN THE DRAIN. =A0(Caps stuck sorry) It did
> > agrevate me so i went to limit . I am a calm player most 99% of time
> > and i did not say anything but some times the suck out (other hands)
> > kill everything a tight player like me has built up . I have a ton of
> > poker books and have been playing since 18 and now 68. I hate hold em
> > the worst. But its the only game in town.
>
> YOU ARE ABSOUTELY NEVER GOING TO BEAT(long term), A 2-4 HOLDEM GAME WITH =
A
> 5 DOLLAR DROP
>
> I WOULD CHALLENGE ANYONE IN THE WORLD !!
>
> At least the small n/l =A0games can be beat. the drop has less an affect =
on
> you when you can get so much money in with so much the best of it
>
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities=
.
> Voltaire
>
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I understand now. Thanks a million i will move back to no limit.


 
Date: 11 Dec 2008 09:19:25
From: talldkhdsm
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11, 10:40=A0am, Peg Smith <pegsmith...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:48:14 -0800 (PST), talldkhdsm
>
> <harryend...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >What the heck am i
> >doing wrong.
>
> You're crying about bad beats on a newsgroup where nobody gives a
> shit, for one thing. For another, you can't spell or punctuate for
> shit, which makes it painful to try to read what you wrote.
>
> Give up poker and go back to school.
>
> Peg

Yes i guess i buthered the paragraph sorry about that (i like spell
check lol) Oh the bad beat was not that. It was just a mention of one
little beat so don't get your panties all wrapped up because you think
you know it all.


  
Date: 11 Dec 2008 10:41:13
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11 2008 11:19 AM, talldkhdsm wrote:

> On Dec 11, 10:40 am, Peg Smith <pegsmith...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:48:14 -0800 (PST), talldkhdsm
> >
> > <harryend...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >What the heck am i
> > >doing wrong.
> >
> > You're crying about bad beats on a newsgroup where nobody gives a
> > shit, for one thing. For another, you can't spell or punctuate for
> > shit, which makes it painful to try to read what you wrote.
> >
> > Give up poker and go back to school.
> >
> > Peg
>
> Yes i guess i buthered the paragraph sorry about that (i like spell
> check lol) Oh the bad beat was not that. It was just a mention of one
> little beat so don't get your panties all wrapped up because you think
> you know it all.

lol.. she doesnt wear panties !!


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Date: 11 Dec 2008 09:18:01
From:
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
I hope you take everyone's advice hear on the rake to heart. If they
are spreading 4/8 with the same rake, you would still be getting the
short end of it but if the players are as bad as they are in most 4/8s
you could beat the game. Gary's book and Lee Jones' book should be re-
read. In a few words - don't fall in love with premium pairs when 5
people take the flop and it comes co-ordinated. If you know there
will be 5 or 6 people seeing every flop no matter what the pre-flop
action is - you can loosen up with suited (even unsuited) connectors
and one gappers (100% of the time in late position and even in early
position). Give that whirl - see a few more flops and work on your
post-flop game to get a better feel for when TPTK is good and when it
is crushed.

Croupe


  
Date: 11 Dec 2008 10:49:43
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11 2008 11:18 AM, croupec wrote:

> I hope you take everyone's advice hear on the rake to heart. If they
> are spreading 4/8 with the same rake, you would still be getting the
> short end of it but if the players are as bad as they are in most 4/8s
> you could beat the game. Gary's book and Lee Jones' book should be re-
> read. In a few words - don't fall in love with premium pairs when 5
> people take the flop and it comes


co-ordinated. ??? If the flop matches the drapes ? wtf ?


If you know there
> will be 5 or 6 people seeing every flop no matter what the pre-flop
> action is - you can loosen up with suited (even unsuited) connectors
> and one gappers (100% of the time in late position and even in early
> position).


if that is the kind of advice gary is giving in his book.. it is just
plain irresponsible

there is an old adage that says "Play loose in a tight game and tight in a
loose game" There is a reason that has been around for 40 years .

telling people to get in a splash around with 'one gappers' is just plain
wrong.. i would hope it is prefaced with the correct information , about
when and where and why to do it !!

If you want to use carson's book , I suggest making a door stop out of it
It will be of much more value to you !!



Give that whirl - see a few more flops and work on your
> post-flop game to get a better feel for when TPTK is good and when it
> is crushed.
>
> Croupe


Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Voltaire

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Date: 11 Dec 2008 09:16:48
From: talldkhdsm
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11, 10:08=A0am, "CincinnatiKid" <a1...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Dec 11 2008 9:48 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 11, 9:18 am, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > "talldkhdsm"
>
> > > > I noticed the biggest pots seem to have a
> > > > straight when some one comes in with say 98 etc. What the heck am i
> > > > doing wrong. they play the crap and mostly they win.
>
> > > I still think Gary Carson's book is golden for this sort of game.
>
> > I found Carson's book great for loose games but I don't know whether
> > you can do much when faced with that @#$@#$ rake he described. If the
> > stakes were a bit higher, sure. Beating loose games is possible but
> > the house is hard to beat.
>
> > Besides, thinking it is terribly wrong to play 98 and that "tight" is
> > a really meaningful word in such a game makes me think that the op
> > wants to make money pretending he is in a mythical $20/40 game in Las
> > Vegas in 1972 and not the game he is in. And he can't do that.
>
> > --
> > Will in New Haven
>
> I always pretend I'm Chris Moneymaker at the final table of the 2003 WSOP=
.
>
> --------=A0
> RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader :www.recgroups.com- Hide qu=
oted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

In my estimation he plays to loose


 
Date: 11 Dec 2008 09:16:08
From: talldkhdsm
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11, 9:48=A0am, Will in New Haven
<bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com > wrote:
> On Dec 11, 9:18=A0am, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "talldkhdsm"
>
> > > I noticed the biggest pots seem to have a
> > > straight when some one comes in with say 98 etc. What the heck am i
> > > doing wrong. they play the crap and mostly they win.
>
> > I still think Gary Carson's book is golden for this sort of game.
>
> I found Carson's book great for loose games but I don't know whether
> you can do much when faced with that @#$@#$ rake he described. If the
> stakes were a bit higher, sure. Beating loose games is possible but
> the house is hard to beat.
>
> Besides, thinking it is terribly wrong to play 98 and that "tight" is
> a really meaningful word in such a game makes me think that the op
> wants to make money pretending he is in a mythical $20/40 game in Las
> Vegas in 1972 and not the game he is in. And he can't do that.
>
> --
> Will in New Haven

I read between the lines i always played to tight in any poker game
but with the right cards to go in with only. there is no pretending on
my part but i get it thanks


 
Date: 11 Dec 2008 09:13:53
From: talldkhdsm
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11, 9:31=A0am, "FellKnight" <jordandevenp...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Dec 11 2008 8:48 AM, talldkhdsm wrote:
>
> > there is no upper limit games
> > except 2-4 and i know it pounds the heck out of you with a 5$ rake.
> > mabye the answer is in front of me.
>
> mabye it is.
>
> Fell
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Thanks i got it


 
Date: 11 Dec 2008 09:13:20
From: talldkhdsm
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11, 9:18=A0am, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com > wrote:
> "talldkhdsm"
>
> > I noticed the biggest pots seem to have a
> > straight when some one comes in with say 98 etc. What the heck am i
> > doing wrong. they play the crap and mostly they win.
>
> I still think Gary Carson's book is golden for this sort of game.

Thanks i will get that one


 
Date: 11 Dec 2008 08:59:49
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11, 11:50=A0am, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> > Besides, thinking it is terribly wrong to play 98 and that "tight" is
> > a really meaningful word in such a game makes me think that the op
> > wants to make money pretending he is in a mythical $20/40 game in Las
> > Vegas in 1972 and not the game he is in. And he can't do that.
>
> > --
> > Will in New Haven
>
> WILL.. You seem exceptionally intolerant of newbies. This kid is a newbie
> , and he is asking a reasonable question as he sees it .
>
> You need to get laid !!

His question was one step from being a bad-beat whine.Your advice to
Peg and I, however, is well-taken. She isn't getting any and I, it
appears, need to get laid.

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Date: 11 Dec 2008 08:58:01
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11, 11:48=A0am, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Dec 11 2008 8:48 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 11, 9:18=A0am, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote=
:
> > > "talldkhdsm"
>
> > > > I noticed the biggest pots seem to have a
> > > > straight when some one comes in with say 98 etc. What the heck am i
> > > > doing wrong. they play the crap and mostly they win.
>
> > > I still think Gary Carson's book is golden for this sort of game.
>
> > I found Carson's book great for loose games but I don't know whether
> > you can do much when faced with that @#$@#$ rake he described. If the
> > stakes were a bit higher, sure. Beating loose games is possible but
> > the house is hard to beat.
>
> > Besides, thinking it is terribly wrong to play 98 and that "tight" is
> > a really meaningful word in such a game makes me think that the op
> > wants to make money pretending he is in a mythical $20/40 game in Las
> > Vegas in 1972 and not the game he is in. And he can't do that.
>
> > --
> > Will in New Haven
>
> THEY DIDNT HAVE 20-40 IN VEGAS IN 1972
>
> GN HAD 5-10 =A010-20- AND 15-30 =A0 NO 20-40

Did you see the word "mythical" up there? He is imagining playing in a
game where everyone plays "correctly" and he wins by playing "more
correctly."

--
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>
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Date: 11 Dec 2008 10:36:57
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11 2008 10:58 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:

> On Dec 11, 11:48 am, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > On Dec 11 2008 8:48 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 11, 9:18 am, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > "talldkhdsm"
> >
> > > > > I noticed the biggest pots seem to have a
> > > > > straight when some one comes in with say 98 etc. What the heck am i
> > > > > doing wrong. they play the crap and mostly they win.
> >
> > > > I still think Gary Carson's book is golden for this sort of game.
> >
> > > I found Carson's book great for loose games but I don't know whether
> > > you can do much when faced with that @#$@#$ rake he described. If the
> > > stakes were a bit higher, sure. Beating loose games is possible but
> > > the house is hard to beat.
> >
> > > Besides, thinking it is terribly wrong to play 98 and that "tight" is
> > > a really meaningful word in such a game makes me think that the op
> > > wants to make money pretending he is in a mythical $20/40 game in Las
> > > Vegas in 1972 and not the game he is in. And he can't do that.
> >
> > > --
> > > Will in New Haven
> >
> > THEY DIDNT HAVE 20-40 IN VEGAS IN 1972
> >
> > GN HAD 5-10  10-20- AND 15-30   NO 20-40
>
> Did you see the word "mythical" up there? He is imagining playing in a
> game where everyone plays "correctly" and he wins by playing "more
> correctly."

Yes , but you added 1972 . So it ws a "mythical' game at a definite time
in history ?
>
> --
> Will in New Haven
>
>
> >
> > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..
> > Voltaire
> >
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Date: 11 Dec 2008 08:45:15
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11 2008 7:48 AM, talldkhdsm wrote:

> Playing 2-4 hold em at fort pierce poker room. I cannot seem to get
> ahead much . playing 4 months and only 49.00 ahead my smallest suited
> cards i play is t9 and my smallest non suited cards i play are kj.
> they are playing everything. I noticed the biggest pots seem to have a
> straight when some one comes in with say 98 etc. What the heck am i
> doing wrong. they play the crap and mostly they win. Am i playing to
> tight etc. Anyone?, Thanks, Harry. there is no upper limit games
> except 2-4 and i know it pounds the heck out of you with a 5$ rake.
> mabye the answer is in front of me. I did try some no limit 1&2
> BLINDS AND SEEM TO HOLD a few weeks BUT WHEN I BET 70.00 AND A GUY
> PUT ME ALL IN 220 MORE WITH a A9 OF CLUBS AND THE ACE HIT RIGHT AWAY
> ALL MY TIGHT GRINDING WENT SOWN THE DRAIN. (Caps stuck sorry) It did
> agrevate me so i went to limit . I am a calm player most 99% of time
> and i did not say anything but some times the suck out (other hands)
> kill everything a tight player like me has built up . I have a ton of
> poker books and have been playing since 18 and now 68. I hate hold em
> the worst. But its the only game in town.

YOU ARE ABSOUTELY NEVER GOING TO BEAT(long term), A 2-4 HOLDEM GAME WITH A
5 DOLLAR DROP

I WOULD CHALLENGE ANYONE IN THE WORLD !!

At least the small n/l games can be beat. the drop has less an affect on
you when you can get so much money in with so much the best of it


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Date: 11 Dec 2008 09:40:03
From: Peg Smith
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:48:14 -0800 (PST), talldkhdsm
<harryendres@gmail.com > wrote:

>What the heck am i
>doing wrong.

You're crying about bad beats on a newsgroup where nobody gives a
shit, for one thing. For another, you can't spell or punctuate for
shit, which makes it painful to try to read what you wrote.

Give up poker and go back to school.

Peg


  
Date: 11 Dec 2008 08:52:37
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11 2008 9:40 AM, Peg Smith wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:48:14 -0800 (PST), talldkhdsm
> <harryendres@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >What the heck am i
> >doing wrong.
>
> You're crying about bad beats on a newsgroup where nobody gives a
> shit, for one thing. For another, you can't spell or punctuate for
> shit, which makes it painful to try to read what you wrote.
>
> Give up poker and go back to school.
>
> Peg

WOW !!! Somebody isnt getting any!!!


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Date: 11 Dec 2008 07:32:58
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11 2008 7:48 AM, talldkhdsm wrote:

> I have a ton of poker books

I'd start by reading them. Hope this helps.

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Date: 11 Dec 2008 06:48:53
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11, 9:18=A0am, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com > wrote:
> "talldkhdsm"
>
> > I noticed the biggest pots seem to have a
> > straight when some one comes in with say 98 etc. What the heck am i
> > doing wrong. they play the crap and mostly they win.
>
> I still think Gary Carson's book is golden for this sort of game.

I found Carson's book great for loose games but I don't know whether
you can do much when faced with that @#$@#$ rake he described. If the
stakes were a bit higher, sure. Beating loose games is possible but
the house is hard to beat.

Besides, thinking it is terribly wrong to play 98 and that "tight" is
a really meaningful word in such a game makes me think that the op
wants to make money pretending he is in a mythical $20/40 game in Las
Vegas in 1972 and not the game he is in. And he can't do that.

--
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Date: 11 Dec 2008 08:50:54
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
>
> Besides, thinking it is terribly wrong to play 98 and that "tight" is
> a really meaningful word in such a game makes me think that the op
> wants to make money pretending he is in a mythical $20/40 game in Las
> Vegas in 1972 and not the game he is in. And he can't do that.
>
> --
> Will in New Haven

WILL.. You seem exceptionally intolerant of newbies. This kid is a newbie
, and he is asking a reasonable question as he sees it .

You need to get laid !!


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Date: 11 Dec 2008 08:48:18
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11 2008 8:48 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:

> On Dec 11, 9:18 am, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > "talldkhdsm"
> >
> > > I noticed the biggest pots seem to have a
> > > straight when some one comes in with say 98 etc. What the heck am i
> > > doing wrong. they play the crap and mostly they win.
> >
> > I still think Gary Carson's book is golden for this sort of game.
>
> I found Carson's book great for loose games but I don't know whether
> you can do much when faced with that @#$@#$ rake he described. If the
> stakes were a bit higher, sure. Beating loose games is possible but
> the house is hard to beat.
>
> Besides, thinking it is terribly wrong to play 98 and that "tight" is
> a really meaningful word in such a game makes me think that the op
> wants to make money pretending he is in a mythical $20/40 game in Las
> Vegas in 1972 and not the game he is in. And he can't do that.
>
> --
> Will in New Haven

THEY DIDNT HAVE 20-40 IN VEGAS IN 1972

GN HAD 5-10 10-20- AND 15-30 NO 20-40


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Date: 11 Dec 2008 07:08:38
From: CincinnatiKid
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11 2008 9:48 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:

> On Dec 11, 9:18 am, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > "talldkhdsm"
> >
> > > I noticed the biggest pots seem to have a
> > > straight when some one comes in with say 98 etc. What the heck am i
> > > doing wrong. they play the crap and mostly they win.
> >
> > I still think Gary Carson's book is golden for this sort of game.
>
> I found Carson's book great for loose games but I don't know whether
> you can do much when faced with that @#$@#$ rake he described. If the
> stakes were a bit higher, sure. Beating loose games is possible but
> the house is hard to beat.
>
> Besides, thinking it is terribly wrong to play 98 and that "tight" is
> a really meaningful word in such a game makes me think that the op
> wants to make money pretending he is in a mythical $20/40 game in Las
> Vegas in 1972 and not the game he is in. And he can't do that.
>
> --
> Will in New Haven

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Date: 11 Dec 2008 06:31:24
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11 2008 8:48 AM, talldkhdsm wrote:

> there is no upper limit games
> except 2-4 and i know it pounds the heck out of you with a 5$ rake.
> mabye the answer is in front of me.

mabye it is.

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Date: 11 Dec 2008 08:18:35
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
"talldkhdsm"

> I noticed the biggest pots seem to have a
> straight when some one comes in with say 98 etc. What the heck am i
> doing wrong. they play the crap and mostly they win.

I still think Gary Carson's book is golden for this sort of game.




  
Date: 11 Dec 2008 08:46:34
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: no fold em holdem
On Dec 11 2008 8:18 AM, da pickle wrote:

> "talldkhdsm"
>
> > I noticed the biggest pots seem to have a
> > straight when some one comes in with say 98 etc. What the heck am i
> > doing wrong. they play the crap and mostly they win.
>
> I still think Gary Carson's book is golden for this sort of game.

Any book written for this game should have one page

DONT PLAY !!..........................the end


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