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Date: 02 Feb 2009 08:29:59
From: DonkeyBanAA
Subject: internet porn -- kids
ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
course
he can not be online .so were going to install parental control and just
not let him
get online - so what do parents think about kids and online porn - how do
you talk to your kids about porn in general . I never got the "talk" ,I
would appreciate honest and useful help
about talking to kids about sex ,porn ,etc.

we go to church so he understand thats its not right, but how many thing
do we do that are not right. I would like to guide him in the real world
about this . sometimes i still think its like the 60 when or even 80s
when u could sit and watch TV with kids. now you turn TV on and even the
cartoons are to graphic .

thanks all

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 20:39:29
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 2 2009 11:29 AM, DonkeyBanAA wrote:

> ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
> course
> he can not be online .so were going to install parental control and just
> not let him
> get online - so what do parents think about kids and online porn - how do
> you talk to your kids about porn in general . I never got the "talk" ,I
> would appreciate honest and useful help
> about talking to kids about sex ,porn ,etc.
>
> we go to church so he understand thats its not right, but how many thing
> do we do that are not right. I would like to guide him in the real world
> about this . sometimes i still think its like the 60 when or even 80

In 1960 I turned 11. I also saw my first photo of a donkey fucking a
woman.

It may have permanently scarred me but only in the sense I learned early
that some peoples sexual behavior is just weird and that it's not
productive to worry about it.

It didn't cause nightmares.

It was about a year after that when I learned that all that God and heaven
and hell stuff is nonsense. Young religious training caused way more
nightmares than photo's of water sports, bestiality, etc.

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 05:06:39
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids

"DonkeyBanAA" <freddiearballo@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:7ljj56xe5c.ln2@recgroups.com...
> ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
> course
> he can not be online .so were going to install parental control and just
> not let him
> get online - so what do parents think about kids and online porn - how do
> you talk to your kids about porn in general . I never got the "talk" ,I
> would appreciate honest and useful help
> about talking to kids about sex ,porn ,etc.
>
> we go to church so he understand thats its not right, but how many thing
> do we do that are not right. I would like to guide him in the real world
> about this . sometimes i still think its like the 60 when or even 80s
> when u could sit and watch TV with kids. now you turn TV on and even the
> cartoons are to graphic .
>
Two questions :
1) Did your parents take steps to prevent you from seeing porn when you were
a teenage boy?
2) Did it work?





  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 03:38:16
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 4 2009 12:06 AM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:

> "DonkeyBanAA" <freddiearballo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7ljj56xe5c.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
> > course
> > he can not be online .so were going to install parental control and just
> > not let him
> > get online - so what do parents think about kids and online porn - how do
> > you talk to your kids about porn in general . I never got the "talk" ,I
> > would appreciate honest and useful help
> > about talking to kids about sex ,porn ,etc.
> >
> > we go to church so he understand thats its not right, but how many thing
> > do we do that are not right. I would like to guide him in the real world
> > about this . sometimes i still think its like the 60 when or even 80s
> > when u could sit and watch TV with kids. now you turn TV on and even the
> > cartoons are to graphic .
> >
> Two questions :
> 1) Did your parents take steps to prevent you from seeing porn when you were
> a teenage boy?
> 2) Did it work?

I don't get the second question. Why is it important if it worked or not?

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 16:07:22
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids

"MMelia" <a4f63df@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:8abo56x1a2.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 4 2009 12:06 AM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
>
>> "DonkeyBanAA" <freddiearballo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:7ljj56xe5c.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
>> > course
>> > he can not be online .so were going to install parental control and
>> > just
>> > not let him
>> > get online - so what do parents think about kids and online porn - how
>> > do
>> > you talk to your kids about porn in general . I never got the "talk" ,I
>> > would appreciate honest and useful help
>> > about talking to kids about sex ,porn ,etc.
>> >
>> > we go to church so he understand thats its not right, but how many
>> > thing
>> > do we do that are not right. I would like to guide him in the real
>> > world
>> > about this . sometimes i still think its like the 60 when or even 80s
>> > when u could sit and watch TV with kids. now you turn TV on and even
>> > the
>> > cartoons are to graphic .
>> >
>> Two questions :
>> 1) Did your parents take steps to prevent you from seeing porn when you
>> were
>> a teenage boy?
>> 2) Did it work?
>
> I don't get the second question. Why is it important if it worked or not?
It's about expectation.
Is it worth a large effort for a small EV?




 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 21:18:24
From: OTB
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
There's really nothing you can do about it. If you block it
at your house, they'll be watching it at their friends.
Your best bet is to try not to make a big deal out of it.

On Feb 2, 10:29=A0am, "DonkeyBanAA" <freddiearba...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
> course
> he can not be online .so were going to install parental =A0control and ju=
st
> not let him
> get online - so =A0what do parents think about kids and online porn - how=
do
> you talk to your kids about porn in general . I never got the "talk" ,I
> would appreciate honest and useful help
> about talking to kids about sex ,porn ,etc.
>
> we go to church so he understand thats its not right, but how many thing
> do we do that are not right. I would like to guide him in the real world
> about this . sometimes =A0i still think its like the 60 when or even 80s
> when u could sit and watch TV with kids. now =A0you turn TV on and even t=
he
> cartoons are to graphic .
>
> thanks all
>
> ______________________________________________________________________=A0
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Date: 02 Feb 2009 20:17:06
From: Steam
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 2 2009 8:29 AM, DonkeyBanAA wrote:

> ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
> course
> he can not be online .so were going to install parental control and just
> not let him
> get online - so what do parents think about kids and online porn - how do
> you talk to your kids about porn in general . I never got the "talk" ,I
> would appreciate honest and useful help
> about talking to kids about sex ,porn ,etc.
>
> we go to church so he understand thats its not right, but how many thing
> do we do that are not right. I would like to guide him in the real world
> about this . sometimes i still think its like the 60 when or even 80s
> when u could sit and watch TV with kids. now you turn TV on and even the
> cartoons are to graphic .
>
> thanks all

You can get filters that block all the porn sites. My boss had an ISP
with filters on it that wouldn't allow any access to porn sites. The ISP
failed, just as I knew it would, it was year 2000 "let's get rich on the
internet" pie-in-the-sky thinking. But the filters work.

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Date: 02 Feb 2009 20:29:06
From: Steam
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 2 2009 8:17 PM, Steam wrote:

> On Feb 2 2009 8:29 AM, DonkeyBanAA wrote:
>
> > ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
> > course
> > he can not be online .so were going to install parental control and just
> > not let him
> > get online - so what do parents think about kids and online porn - how do
> > you talk to your kids about porn in general . I never got the "talk" ,I
> > would appreciate honest and useful help
> > about talking to kids about sex ,porn ,etc.
> >
> > we go to church so he understand thats its not right, but how many thing
> > do we do that are not right. I would like to guide him in the real world
> > about this . sometimes i still think its like the 60 when or even 80s
> > when u could sit and watch TV with kids. now you turn TV on and even the
> > cartoons are to graphic .
> >
> > thanks all
>
> You can get filters that block all the porn sites. My boss had an ISP
> with filters on it that wouldn't allow any access to porn sites. The ISP
> failed, just as I knew it would, it was year 2000 "let's get rich on the
> internet" pie-in-the-sky thinking. But the filters work.

When i got "the talk", it wasn't about porn, porn hadn't been invented yet
in 1846, but improvise, I'm sure you can come up with something. It's
better coming from you, than the pervert up the street. They're going to
get that exposure anyways, let them get something from you first.

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Date: 02 Feb 2009 19:19:27
From: Clave
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
"DonkeyBanAA" <freddiearballo@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:7ljj56xe5c.ln2@recgroups.com...
> ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
> course
> he can not be online .so were going to install parental control and just
> not let him
> get online - so what do parents think about kids and online porn - how do
> you talk to your kids about porn in general . I never got the "talk" ,I
> would appreciate honest and useful help
> about talking to kids about sex ,porn ,etc.
>
> we go to church so he understand thats its not right, but how many thing
> do we do that are not right. I would like to guide him in the real world
> about this . sometimes i still think its like the 60 when or even 80s
> when u could sit and watch TV with kids. now you turn TV on and even the
> cartoons are to graphic .

I've been using NetNanny for a couple of years and it does a fine job. You
have the option of filtering out web sites based on category, or you can
whitelist certain sites, or you can just monitor his activity.

My kids understand, and they don't care as long as they can get to the sites
they're legitimately interested in. It's important, IMO, to let the kids
know you're monitoring/filtering and not do it behind their backs.

Jim




 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 14:22:15
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 2 2009 10:29 AM, DonkeyBanAA wrote:

> ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
> course
> he can not be online .so were going to install parental control and just
> not let him
> get online - so what do parents think about kids and online porn - how do
> you talk to your kids about porn in general . I never got the "talk" ,I
> would appreciate honest and useful help
> about talking to kids about sex ,porn ,etc.
>
> we go to church so he understand thats its not right, but how many thing
> do we do that are not right. I would like to guide him in the real world
> about this . sometimes i still think its like the 60 when or even 80s
> when u could sit and watch TV with kids. now you turn TV on and even the
> cartoons are to graphic .
>
> thanks all

Just sit your kids down , tell them the truth and then ask them questions

THEY WILL BE GLAD TO HELP YOU WITH ANY ADVICE YOU NEED


Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Voltaire

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Date: 02 Feb 2009 12:14:20
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
I have two boys and two girls. Our family computers were in the living
room for all to see. I also had router monitoring software so I could see
who was doing what. I was very vocal about this and told them they had no
computer privacy so don't do anything you don't want you Mother and I to
see and discuss with you.

I also drug tested my boys once they got into high school. Testing the
hair gives a 90 day drug use window. You only have to do it once or twice
before they get the message. Zero tolerance for drug use.

The bottom line: obey the law!

I used computer access and driver licenses as rewards for being law
abiding citizens.

They got laptops when they turned 18 so they can do what they want. I also
gave them a bail bondsman key chain in case they got in trouble and need
to call someone.







On Feb 2 2009 8:29 AM, DonkeyBanAA wrote:

> ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
> course
> he can not be online .so were going to install parental control and just
> not let him
> get online - so what do parents think about kids and online porn - how do
> you talk to your kids about porn in general . I never got the "talk" ,I
> would appreciate honest and useful help
> about talking to kids about sex ,porn ,etc.
>
> we go to church so he understand thats its not right, but how many thing
> do we do that are not right. I would like to guide him in the real world
> about this . sometimes i still think its like the 60 when or even 80s
> when u could sit and watch TV with kids. now you turn TV on and even the
> cartoons are to graphic .
>
> thanks all

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Date: 02 Feb 2009 17:54:54
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids

"Porsche_Dan" <porsche.dan@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:sp0k56xfnd.ln2@recgroups.com...
>I have two boys and two girls. Our family computers were in the living
> room for all to see. I also had router monitoring software so I could see
> who was doing what. I was very vocal about this and told them they had no
> computer privacy so don't do anything you don't want you Mother and I to
> see and discuss with you.
>
> I also drug tested my boys once they got into high school. Testing the
> hair gives a 90 day drug use window. You only have to do it once or twice
> before they get the message. Zero tolerance for drug use.
>
> The bottom line: obey the law!
>
> I used computer access and driver licenses as rewards for being law
> abiding citizens.
>
> They got laptops when they turned 18 so they can do what they want. I also
> gave them a bail bondsman key chain in case they got in trouble and need
> to call someone.

How parents raise and protect kids today is a total mystery to me. Raising
boys would be tough enough but raising girls - gives me the shudders. I'd
probably stay awake all night worrying about them and I know they'd be
spoiled rotten. Makes me glad I've only got a cocker spaniel.

Irish Mike


>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 2 2009 8:29 AM, DonkeyBanAA wrote:
>
>> ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
>> course
>> he can not be online .so were going to install parental control and just
>> not let him
>> get online - so what do parents think about kids and online porn - how
>> do
>> you talk to your kids about porn in general . I never got the "talk" ,I
>> would appreciate honest and useful help
>> about talking to kids about sex ,porn ,etc.
>>
>> we go to church so he understand thats its not right, but how many thing
>> do we do that are not right. I would like to guide him in the real world
>> about this . sometimes i still think its like the 60 when or even 80s
>> when u could sit and watch TV with kids. now you turn TV on and even the
>> cartoons are to graphic .
>>
>> thanks all
>
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Date: 03 Feb 2009 03:43:01
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 2 2009 5:54 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "Porsche_Dan" <porsche.dan@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:sp0k56xfnd.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >I have two boys and two girls. Our family computers were in the living
> > room for all to see. I also had router monitoring software so I could see
> > who was doing what. I was very vocal about this and told them they had no
> > computer privacy so don't do anything you don't want you Mother and I to
> > see and discuss with you.
> >
> > I also drug tested my boys once they got into high school. Testing the
> > hair gives a 90 day drug use window. You only have to do it once or twice
> > before they get the message. Zero tolerance for drug use.
> >
> > The bottom line: obey the law!
> >
> > I used computer access and driver licenses as rewards for being law
> > abiding citizens.
> >
> > They got laptops when they turned 18 so they can do what they want. I also
> > gave them a bail bondsman key chain in case they got in trouble and need
> > to call someone.
>
> How parents raise and protect kids today is a total mystery to me. Raising
> boys would be tough enough but raising girls - gives me the shudders. I'd
> probably stay awake all night worrying about them and I know they'd be
> spoiled rotten. Makes me glad I've only got a cocker spaniel.
>
> Irish Mike

Us too.

Fell
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Date: 02 Feb 2009 12:55:47
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
> They got laptops when they turned 18 so they can do what they want. I also
> gave them a bail bondsman key chain in case they got in trouble and need
> to call someone.

I GUARANTEE those computers are slow as HELL!

lol

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Date: 02 Feb 2009 10:20:57
From: bo dark
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 2, 10:29 am, "DonkeyBanAA" <freddiearba...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
> course
> he can not be online .so were going to install parental control and just
> not let him
> get online - so what do parents think about kids and online porn - how do
> you talk to your kids about porn in general . I never got the "talk" ,I
> would appreciate honest and useful help
> about talking to kids about sex ,porn ,etc.
>
> we go to church so he understand thats its not right, but how many thing
> do we do that are not right. I would like to guide him in the real world
> about this . sometimes i still think its like the 60 when or even 80s
> when u could sit and watch TV with kids. now you turn TV on and even the
> cartoons are to graphic .
>
> thanks all
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> : the next generation of web-newsreaders :http://www.recgroups.com



i hate to say it but i think its a lost cause.were are going to be one
screwed up country.its creating hang ups not healthy sexuality.i
looked at porn magazines my older brothers had,and it creates unreal
expectations.in the late 60's early seventies thats all there was.


it effects everybody,your pastor may have problems with it.when i was
looking for forums after i first got on line i came across a few that
dealt with porn and i came to the conclusion that a alot of young men
aren't even having sex,they are whacking off to porn only.

they are all struggling with the size of their dicks in my opinion so
that they are so stressed by what they see in porn that they can't
function or start a relationship.so they live in the fantasy world of
porn.you might be able to seperate fantasy from reality but for young
guys they may not.

my mother once told me that she tried to get my dad to talk to me and
my brothers about sex and he said don't worry,they will find
out.yes,but who is supplying the information,billy from down the
street.better you tell him about your ideas about sex than a stranger.

it would be diffucult if it was your daughter but were talking about
your son.do a little preperation and then give him the goods.tell him
what you think are acceptable things sexually between a man and his
wife.remember,its better you than the rest of the world.

i'd hate to be a parent these days.good luck.


  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 22:19:41
From: reg
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:20:57 -0800 (PST), bo dark <tx1456@yahoo.com >
wrote:

>On Feb 2, 10:29 am, "DonkeyBanAA" <freddiearba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
>> course
>> he can not be online .so were going to install parental control and just
>> not let him
>> get online - so what do parents think about kids and online porn - how do
>> you talk to your kids about porn in general . I never got the "talk" ,I
>> would appreciate honest and useful help
>> about talking to kids about sex ,porn ,etc.
>>
>> we go to church so he understand thats its not right, but how many thing
>> do we do that are not right. I would like to guide him in the real world
>> about this . sometimes i still think its like the 60 when or even 80s
>> when u could sit and watch TV with kids. now you turn TV on and even the
>> cartoons are to graphic .
>>
>> thanks all
>>
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>
>
>i hate to say it but i think its a lost cause.were are going to be one
>screwed up country.its creating hang ups not healthy sexuality.i
>looked at porn magazines my older brothers had,and it creates unreal
>expectations.in the late 60's early seventies thats all there was.
>
>
>it effects everybody,your pastor may have problems with it.when i was
>looking for forums after i first got on line i came across a few that
>dealt with porn and i came to the conclusion that a alot of young men
>aren't even having sex,they are whacking off to porn only.
>
>they are all struggling with the size of their dicks in my opinion so
>that they are so stressed by what they see in porn that they can't
>function or start a relationship.so they live in the fantasy world of
>porn.you might be able to seperate fantasy from reality but for young
>guys they may not.


True, it's sort of the male equivalent of those air-brushed
stick-figure models that drive girls to anorexia and depression.




 
Date: 02 Feb 2009 08:57:39
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
Este-

There is a new product that went live (public beta) today and is currently
free. Check out https://onlinefamily.norton.com. I'm not sure how a
non-employee gets a promo code, but I think you can get one if you check
out the symantec.com site. This will help you with what your child is
doing.

On Feb 2 2009 8:29 AM, DonkeyBanAA wrote:

> ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
> course
> he can not be online .so were going to install parental control and just
> not let him
> get online - so what do parents think about kids and online porn - how do
> you talk to your kids about porn in general . I never got the "talk" ,I
> would appreciate honest and useful help
> about talking to kids about sex ,porn ,etc.
>
> we go to church so he understand thats its not right, but how many thing
> do we do that are not right. I would like to guide him in the real world
> about this . sometimes i still think its like the 60 when or even 80s
> when u could sit and watch TV with kids. now you turn TV on and even the
> cartoons are to graphic .
>
> thanks all


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Date: 02 Feb 2009 08:43:38
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 2 2009 10:29 AM, DonkeyBanAA wrote:

> ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
> course
> he can not be online .so were going to install parental control and just
> not let him
> get online

Be thankful you have a son and not a daughter. I thought I was being
smart when I installed monitoring software. Once I read some of the stuff
my 12 year old daughter was doing, I decided I didn't want to know.

The highlight was when she was telling a friend about giving a hand job to
two boys at the same time. Yikes!

Thankfully she's about to turn 24 and never got pregnant.

" No offense to RGP, but there are not alot of intelligent people on
here." -- JBK, 1/30/2009 10:16a

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Date: 02 Feb 2009 08:49:38
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 2 2009 10:43 AM, Raider Fan wrote:

> On Feb 2 2009 10:29 AM, DonkeyBanAA wrote:
>
> > ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
> > course
> > he can not be online .so were going to install parental control and just
> > not let him
> > get online
>
> Be thankful you have a son and not a daughter. I thought I was being
> smart when I installed monitoring software. Once I read some of the stuff
> my 12 year old daughter was doing, I decided I didn't want to know.
>
> The highlight was when she was telling a friend about giving a hand job to
> two boys at the same time. Yikes!
>
> Thankfully she's about to turn 24 and never got pregnant.
>
> " No offense to RGP, but there are not alot of intelligent people on
> here." -- JBK, 1/30/2009 10:16a

I don't believe I would have told that.

She could have been trying to impress somebody and it was not true.

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Date: 02 Feb 2009 09:37:43
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 2 2009 11:49 AM, Will_gamble wrote:

> On Feb 2 2009 10:43 AM, Raider Fan wrote:
>
> > On Feb 2 2009 10:29 AM, DonkeyBanAA wrote:
> >
> > > ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
> > > course
> > > he can not be online .so were going to install parental control and just
> > > not let him
> > > get online
> >
> > Be thankful you have a son and not a daughter. I thought I was being
> > smart when I installed monitoring software. Once I read some of the stuff
> > my 12 year old daughter was doing, I decided I didn't want to know.
> >
> > The highlight was when she was telling a friend about giving a hand job to
> > two boys at the same time. Yikes!
> >
> > Thankfully she's about to turn 24 and never got pregnant.
> >
> > " No offense to RGP, but there are not alot of intelligent people on
> > here." -- JBK, 1/30/2009 10:16a
>
> I don't believe I would have told that.
>

Me either. Lol.. WTF?

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Date: 02 Feb 2009 10:02:10
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 2 2009 11:37 AM, MMelia wrote:

> >
> > I don't believe I would have told that.
> >
>
> Me either. Lol.. WTF?

Well, here's the thinking. The point was that you may not really want to
know everything your kids are getting into. You have to hope that you
raised them correctly and they will make the right decisions.

My parents never knew half the shit I did in my teenage years. I'm pretty
sure they didn't want to know. Like Will said, we didn't have access to
porn in our day. I had my share of Playboys and Penthouses stashed in my
room though.

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here." -- JBK, 1/30/2009 10:16a

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Date: 02 Feb 2009 10:15:18
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 2 2009 1:02 PM, Raider Fan wrote:

> On Feb 2 2009 11:37 AM, MMelia wrote:
>
> > >
> > > I don't believe I would have told that.
> > >
> >
> > Me either. Lol.. WTF?
>
> Well, here's the thinking. The point was that you may not really want to
> know everything your kids are getting into. You have to hope that you
> raised them correctly and they will make the right decisions.
>
> My parents never knew half the shit I did in my teenage years. I'm pretty
> sure they didn't want to know. Like Will said, we didn't have access to
> porn in our day. I had my share of Playboys and Penthouses stashed in my
> room though.
>
> " No offense to RGP, but there are not alot of intelligent people on
> here." -- JBK, 1/30/2009 10:16a

So your suggesting that he close his eyes to what his eleven year old is
doing - 11 years old is not "raised".

BTW, neither is 12.

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Date: 02 Feb 2009 10:31:15
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 2 2009 12:15 PM, MMelia wrote:

>
> So your suggesting that he close his eyes to what his eleven year old is
> doing - 11 years old is not "raised".
>
> BTW, neither is 12.

That's not what I'm suggesting. I am apparently not so clearly trying to
say that there's no fucking way he will be able to stop his child from
doing anything. He can certainly make it harder, but internet access is
available everywhere.

To be honest with you, I'd be much more concerned about drugs and alcohol
than porn.

You must not have kids. If you think kids really listen to their parents
during puberty and their teenage years, you're high. If you didn't
instill the right values in them before they turned 11 or 12, you're in
deep shit.


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Date: 02 Feb 2009 12:38:01
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 2 2009 1:31 PM, Raider Fan wrote:

> On Feb 2 2009 12:15 PM, MMelia wrote:
>
> >
> > So your suggesting that he close his eyes to what his eleven year old is
> > doing - 11 years old is not "raised".
> >
> > BTW, neither is 12.
>
> That's not what I'm suggesting. I am apparently not so clearly trying to
> say that there's no fucking way he will be able to stop his child from
> doing anything. He can certainly make it harder, but internet access is
> available everywhere.
>
> To be honest with you, I'd be much more concerned about drugs and alcohol
> than porn.
>
> You must not have kids. If you think kids really listen to their parents
> during puberty and their teenage years, you're high. If you didn't
> instill the right values in them before they turned 11 or 12, you're in
> deep shit.
>

I had kids, now all five are adults. Twins 24 - One is a helicopter
mechanic, the other is a carpenter. 21 year old, RI State Trooper and 2
daughters in college. If you think you can teach me something about
parenting feel free.

What I am saying is having a "I'd rather not know attitude" is a shitty
parent. Yes, you can not stop them but you can run plenty of interference
and try to keep them on the right path.

The right thing for DonkeyBan is to keep doing what he is doing, trying to
find a product to restrict access to those type of sites. Yes, the child
can probably get it somewhere else but that doesn't mean it should be
condoned or made available in his own home.

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Date: 02 Feb 2009 14:49:18
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
"MMelia"

>> > So your suggesting that he close his eyes to what his eleven year old
>> > is
>> > doing - 11 years old is not "raised".
>> >
>> > BTW, neither is 12.
>>
>> That's not what I'm suggesting. I am apparently not so clearly trying to
>> say that there's no fucking way he will be able to stop his child from
>> doing anything. He can certainly make it harder, but internet access is
>> available everywhere.
>>
>> To be honest with you, I'd be much more concerned about drugs and alcohol
>> than porn.
>>
>> You must not have kids. If you think kids really listen to their parents
>> during puberty and their teenage years, you're high. If you didn't
>> instill the right values in them before they turned 11 or 12, you're in
>> deep shit.
>>
>
> I had kids, now all five are adults. Twins 24 - One is a helicopter
> mechanic, the other is a carpenter. 21 year old, RI State Trooper and 2
> daughters in college. If you think you can teach me something about
> parenting feel free.
>
> What I am saying is having a "I'd rather not know attitude" is a shitty
> parent. Yes, you can not stop them but you can run plenty of interference
> and try to keep them on the right path.
>
> The right thing for DonkeyBan is to keep doing what he is doing, trying to
> find a product to restrict access to those type of sites. Yes, the child
> can probably get it somewhere else but that doesn't mean it should be
> condoned or made available in his own home.

Maybe it is just newsgroups, but it seems you are both saying the same
things ... basically ... there is just some additions that seem to be
getting in the way.

Both of you seem to be saying ... do what he is doing ... run interference
... try to keep them on the right path.

Where you seem to diverge is the idea that you can be "perfect" in your
attempts. I agree with both of you that doing all you can to prevent access
at this young age and plenty of "education" (age appropriate) and prevention
of loss of body image ... and care to not seem like you are on ogre ... all
good stuff.

I do not think Raider is talking about condoning ... or making porn
available for 11 year olds.

The idea that he is "closing his eyes" does not seem at all to be what he is
saying.

I also agree with what I think he is saying. No matter what you do, often
times your teenaged kids are going to do things that you might not approve
of. I do not think you, MM, are saying that you think you can be perfect as
a parent, but I am pretty sure you let your kids expand the envelope a
little during your parenting of teenager days ... and I suspect that you
bent the envelope a little when you were a teenager as well. I agree that
no one knows everything their kids are doing, but we all try and do our best
for them.

I too agree that drugs and alcohol might be a little ahead of porn as my
"most" worrisome concern. That does not mean that the latter is not
important.

Why does this medium seem to bring out so many misunderstandings? Why?




         
Date: 02 Feb 2009 13:15:14
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 2 2009 3:49 PM, da pickle wrote:

> "MMelia"
>
> >> > So your suggesting that he close his eyes to what his eleven year old
> >> > is
> >> > doing - 11 years old is not "raised".
> >> >
> >> > BTW, neither is 12.
> >>
> >> That's not what I'm suggesting. I am apparently not so clearly trying to
> >> say that there's no fucking way he will be able to stop his child from
> >> doing anything. He can certainly make it harder, but internet access is
> >> available everywhere.
> >>
> >> To be honest with you, I'd be much more concerned about drugs and alcohol
> >> than porn.
> >>
> >> You must not have kids. If you think kids really listen to their parents
> >> during puberty and their teenage years, you're high. If you didn't
> >> instill the right values in them before they turned 11 or 12, you're in
> >> deep shit.
> >>
> >
> > I had kids, now all five are adults. Twins 24 - One is a helicopter
> > mechanic, the other is a carpenter. 21 year old, RI State Trooper and 2
> > daughters in college. If you think you can teach me something about
> > parenting feel free.
> >
> > What I am saying is having a "I'd rather not know attitude" is a shitty
> > parent. Yes, you can not stop them but you can run plenty of interference
> > and try to keep them on the right path.
> >
> > The right thing for DonkeyBan is to keep doing what he is doing, trying to
> > find a product to restrict access to those type of sites. Yes, the child
> > can probably get it somewhere else but that doesn't mean it should be
> > condoned or made available in his own home.
>
> Maybe it is just newsgroups, but it seems you are both saying the same
> things ... basically ... there is just some additions that seem to be
> getting in the way.
>
> Both of you seem to be saying ... do what he is doing ... run interference
> .... try to keep them on the right path.
>
> Where you seem to diverge is the idea that you can be "perfect" in your
> attempts. I agree with both of you that doing all you can to prevent access
> at this young age and plenty of "education" (age appropriate) and prevention
> of loss of body image ... and care to not seem like you are on ogre ... all
> good stuff.
>
> I do not think Raider is talking about condoning ... or making porn
> available for 11 year olds.
>
> The idea that he is "closing his eyes" does not seem at all to be what he is
> saying.
>
> I also agree with what I think he is saying. No matter what you do, often
> times your teenaged kids are going to do things that you might not approve
> of. I do not think you, MM, are saying that you think you can be perfect as
> a parent, but I am pretty sure you let your kids expand the envelope a
> little during your parenting of teenager days ... and I suspect that you
> bent the envelope a little when you were a teenager as well. I agree that
> no one knows everything their kids are doing, but we all try and do our best
> for them.
>
> I too agree that drugs and alcohol might be a little ahead of porn as my
> "most" worrisome concern. That does not mean that the latter is not
> important.
>
> Why does this medium seem to bring out so many misunderstandings? Why?

I don't know. Someone should do a study on it.

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 05:01:43
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids

"MMelia" <a4f63df@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:2c4k56xg2e.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 2 2009 3:49 PM, da pickle wrote:
>
>> "MMelia"
>>

>> Why does this medium seem to bring out so many misunderstandings? Why?
>
> I don't know. Someone should do a study on it.
>
It's the projection of emotion onto someone else's statement.

You're inferring tone, and if someone is disagreeing with you, you tend to
think it hostile, often far more hostile than the poster's actual intent.

As a poker player, we should all be striving to take the emotion out anyway.




          
Date: 03 Feb 2009 05:31:34
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
"MMelia"

>> Why does this medium seem to bring out so many misunderstandings? Why?
>
> I don't know. Someone should do a study on it.

This is what most seem to be doing:

http://www.nucleuslearning.com/content/very-funny-how-fail-test-examples

(An oldie but goodie!




    
Date: 02 Feb 2009 09:52:54
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
> > > " No offense to RGP, but there are not alot of intelligent people on
> > > here." -- JBK, 1/30/2009 10:16a
> >
> > I don't believe I would have told that.
> >
>
> Me either. Lol.. WTF?

I am pretty sure he was joking if not it goes perfect with his chosen sig
line. Just proves my point.

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Date: 02 Feb 2009 08:41:41
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
As you might expect, your first problem is asking the degenerates that are
on RGP.

You have a real dilemma on your hands. I never saw porn until I was an
adult. The 'Graduate' was the closest thing to porn in my day. lol

My first thought is to explain that..... crap, I can't think of a thing.
Good luck.

On Feb 2 2009 10:29 AM, DonkeyBanAA wrote:

> ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
> course
> he can not be online .so were going to install parental control and just
> not let him
> get online - so what do parents think about kids and online porn - how do
> you talk to your kids about porn in general . I never got the "talk" ,I
> would appreciate honest and useful help
> about talking to kids about sex ,porn ,etc.
>
> we go to church so he understand thats its not right, but how many thing
> do we do that are not right. I would like to guide him in the real world
> about this . sometimes i still think its like the 60 when or even 80s
> when u could sit and watch TV with kids. now you turn TV on and even the
> cartoons are to graphic .
>
> thanks all

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Date: 02 Feb 2009 14:11:24
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
I can tell you one thing. When VCR's and Beta machines first came out
in the early 70s, the thing most purchasers of them did was buy a
porno movie.





On Feb 2, 8:41=EF=BF=BDam, "Will_gamble" <a1...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> As you might expect, your first problem is asking the degenerates that ar=
e
> on RGP.
>
> You have a real dilemma on your hands. =EF=BF=BDI never saw porn until I =
was an
> adult. =EF=BF=BDThe 'Graduate' was the closest thing to porn in my day. =
=EF=BF=BDlol
>
> My first thought is to explain that..... crap, I can't think of a thing.
> Good luck.
>
> On Feb 2 2009 10:29 AM, DonkeyBanAA wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
> > course
> > he can not be online .so were going to install parental =EF=BF=BDcontro=
l and just
> > not let him
> > get online - so =EF=BF=BDwhat do parents think about kids and online po=
rn - how do
> > you talk to your kids about porn in general . I never got the "talk" ,I
> > would appreciate honest and useful help
> > about talking to kids about sex ,porn ,etc.
>
> > we go to church so he understand thats its not right, but how many thin=
g
> > do we do that are not right. I would like to guide him in the real worl=
d
> > about this . sometimes =EF=BF=BDi still think its like the 60 when or e=
ven 80s
> > when u could sit and watch TV with kids. now =EF=BF=BDyou turn TV on an=
d even the
> > cartoons are to graphic .
>
> > thanks all
>
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Date: 02 Feb 2009 17:08:37
From: charrison100
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 2 2009 5:11 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:

> I can tell you one thing. When VCR's and Beta machines first came out
> in the early 70s, the thing most purchasers of them did was buy a
> porno movie.
>

Once the porn industry chose to back VHS the superior Beta died. I believe
the bigger porn companies backed blu-ray too.

Chris

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Date: 02 Feb 2009 20:06:26
From: Travel
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
Set up and fund an on-line poker account for your kids. As they're
quickly addicted to on-line poker, blackmail them into good behavior by
threatening to pull their bankroll. They'll learn math, maybe make the
big time in tournaments and move out of the house by 18 years old.

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Date: 02 Feb 2009 22:39:27
From: funky cold medina
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 2, 6:06=A0pm, Travel <nine...@webtv.net > wrote:
> Set up and fund an on-line poker account for your kids. As they're
> quickly addicted to on-line poker, blackmail them into good behavior by
> threatening to pull their bankroll. They'll learn math, maybe make the
> big time in tournaments and move out of the house by 18 years old.
>
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One of the RNs I work with left work early on Friday to take her 17 yo
son to counseling. He racked up 2k on parent's credit card playing
online poker. He said that "his friends do and they win lots of
money."

I didn't have the heart to ask for his screen name.


      
Date: 03 Feb 2009 21:56:23
From: Travel
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
funky cold medina Usenet Poster
kellywong74@yahoo.com Post #27 of 29 (1 views) Copy Shortcut Feb 3,
2009, 1:39 AM
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On Feb 2, 6:06 pm, Travel <nine...@webtv.net > wrote:
> Set up and fund an on-line poker account for your kids. As they're
> quickly addicted to on-line poker, blackmail them into good behavior
by
> threatening to pull their bankroll. They'll learn math, maybe make
the
> big time in tournaments and move out of the house by 18 years old.
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Posted via the -Web to Usenet- forums athttp://www.pokermagazine.com
> Visitwww.pokermagazine.com

One of the RNs I work with left work early on Friday to take her 17 yo
son to counseling. He racked up 2k on parent's credit card playing
online poker. He said that "his friends do and they win lots of
money."

I didn't have the heart to ask for his screen name.
.......................................................................
...................


If his friends "say" that they win a lots of money, they probably post
right here on RGP.

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Date: 03 Feb 2009 22:06:56
From: Travel
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
The councelor will probably say:

"hummm, sounds like a results oriented problem, compounded by playing
to many hands. The lad really should read Gary Carson's books.

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Date: 03 Feb 2009 22:21:25
From: mccard
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids

"Travel" <nine510@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:1233721525.81071@pokermagazine.com...
> The councelor will probably say:
>
> "hummm, sounds like a results oriented problem, compounded by playing
> to many hands. The lad really should read Gary Carson's books.
>
>
No, the counselor will ask for his screen name, site and hours he plays.



   
Date: 02 Feb 2009 14:36:28
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 2 2009 4:11 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:

> I can tell you one thing. When VCR's and Beta machines first came out
> in the early 70s, the thing most purchasers of them did was buy a
> porno movie.
>
The first one I ever saw I was in the service. 8 mm. All on these little
spools and sometimes they weren't 10 minutes long.

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Date: 02 Feb 2009 08:41:37
From: charrison100
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 2 2009 11:29 AM, DonkeyBanAA wrote:

> ok my son is 11 years old and he just discovered online porn- so now of
> course
> he can not be online .so were going to install parental control and just
> not let him
> get online - so what do parents think about kids and online porn - how do
> you talk to your kids about porn in general . I never got the "talk" ,I
> would appreciate honest and useful help
> about talking to kids about sex ,porn ,etc.
>
> we go to church so he understand thats its not right, but how many thing
> do we do that are not right. I would like to guide him in the real world
> about this . sometimes i still think its like the 60 when or even 80s
> when u could sit and watch TV with kids. now you turn TV on and even the
> cartoons are to graphic .
>
> thanks all

I think that at 11 you should have the talk. See what he knows and inform
him of where he is wrong. Make sure he is open and that he doesn;t feel
preached too or attacked. He is going to be freaked out enough.

As for the online porn, find out what he was looking at, that will give
you the indication of what he knows. Make sure he knows that there are
things out there that are just there for shock.

I'd depict porn as acted stories and explain that real sex is often very
different.

The Internet is like TV, if have to know what they are watching. When my
wife and I finally have kids we are going to have a no TV no computer rule
for bedrooms. That goes for us as well. This way we will be able to know
what they are watching.

As for the religious aspect, I do not know how to approach that. As you
said quite often what is said in church ans what is done in the home are 2
different things.

Don;t wait too long for the drug alcohol talk either. At 11 chances are
he'll have been exposed to cigarettes and pot in some way. Usually a
friends older sibling.

Chris

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 10:15:22
From: Mike Franklin
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 2, 8:41=A0am, "charrison100" <a11f...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

> I'd depict porn as acted stories and explain that real sex is often very
> different.

Sigh. Sad but true.

As an example, I've never seen a male porn star get a charlie horse
while doing it doggy style. Such a turn-on for the wife, let me tell
you.

Mike


   
Date: 05 Feb 2009 10:50:07
From: charrison100
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Feb 5 2009 1:15 PM, Mike Franklin wrote:

> On Feb 2, 8:41 am, "charrison100" <a11f...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> > I'd depict porn as acted stories and explain that real sex is often very
> > different.
>
> Sigh. Sad but true.
>
> As an example, I've never seen a male porn star get a charlie horse
> while doing it doggy style. Such a turn-on for the wife, let me tell
> you.
>
> Mike

Did you also know that most women can't orgasm with a knee on each ear?
Something about breathing and flexibility. I don't know I had finished as
wasn't really listening.

Chris

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 20:44:57
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: internet porn -- kids
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 10:50:07 -0800, "charrison100"
<a11faea@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>On Feb 5 2009 1:15 PM, Mike Franklin wrote:
>
>> On Feb 2, 8:41 am, "charrison100" <a11f...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > I'd depict porn as acted stories and explain that real sex is often very
>> > different.
>>
>> Sigh. Sad but true.
>>
>> As an example, I've never seen a male porn star get a charlie horse
>> while doing it doggy style. Such a turn-on for the wife, let me tell
>> you.
>>
>> Mike
>
>Did you also know that most women can't orgasm with a knee on each ear?
>Something about breathing and flexibility. I don't know I had finished as
>wasn't really listening.
>
>Chris
>
>"NO! I want this shit to STOP! Right NOW! Nobody takes me serious
>anymore." - Paul
>Popinjay, 01/16/2009
>

It's probably a good technique to keep her from having a premature
orgasm.

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