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Date: 03 Jan 2009 22:21:21
From: Howard Beale
Subject: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the women
and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see this
suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab countries
that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.

How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these people
stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
sure that if money were the problem they could raise that internationally
in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'


Howard Beale

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Date: 04 Jan 2009 17:24:54
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 3 2009 11:21 PM, Howard Beale wrote:

> Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the women
> and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
> responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
> children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see this
> suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab countries
> that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.
>
> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these people
> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that internationally
> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
>
>
> Howard Beale

It's Israel that has been trying to starve the Palestinians into
submission for years. It's Israel that has dropped over a hundred tons of
bombs on an area the size of a postage stamp the last three or four days
when the nazi-like starvation policy created more resistance rather than
the opposite. But you reserve your criticism for Egypt?

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Date: 07 Jan 2009 16:15:13
From: Deadmoney Walking
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 7, 12:01=A0pm, thepixelfreak <n...@dot.com > wrote:
> On 2009-01-06 18:18:56 -0800, Joe Long <nos...@spam.com> said:
>
> >>> Another good question you could ask is why Israel doesn't allow the
> >>> International Red Cross to enter Gaza to treat the massive numbers of
> >>> injured civilians they are creating with weapons provided by your tax=
es:
>
> > A use of my taxes of which I heartily approve. =A0We pay a price for ou=
r
> > support of Israel, but it is a price I am happy to pay.
>
> Yup, and the 4000 that died in the WTC on 9/11/2001. That too was the
> price we pay for supporting Israel. If you don't see that your a moron.
>
> --
>
> thepixelfreak

Don't forget Kyoto, Bin Laden was real mad about that.


   
Date: 08 Jan 2009 04:45:54
From: Deadmoney Walking
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 8, 3:34=A0am, pixelfreak <n...@dot.com > wrote:
> On 2009-01-07 16:15:13 -0800, Deadmoney Walking <tbones...@gmail.com> sai=
d:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 7, 12:01=A0pm, thepixelfreak <n...@dot.com> wrote:
> >> On 2009-01-06 18:18:56 -0800, Joe Long <nos...@spam.com> said:
>
> >>>>> Another good question you could ask is why Israel doesn't allow the
> >>>>> International Red Cross to enter Gaza to treat the massive numbers =
of
> >>>>> injured civilians they are creating with weapons provided by your t=
ax
> > es:
>
> >>> A use of my taxes of which I heartily approve. =A0We pay a price for =
ou
> > r
> >>> support of Israel, but it is a price I am happy to pay.
>
> >> Yup, and the 4000 that died in the WTC on 9/11/2001. That too was the
> >> price we pay for supporting Israel. If you don't see that your a moron=
.
>
> >> --
>
> >> thepixelfreak
>
> > Don't forget Kyoto, Bin Laden was real mad about that.
>
> Nice, take your fucking head out of the sand.
>
> --
>
> thepixelfreak- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

and campaign finance reform. Yes, that was in one of his
communiques. We've really got to get our act together so we won't be
terrorized.


   
Date: 08 Jan 2009 00:42:28
From: pixelfreak
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On 2009-01-07 16:15:13 -0800, Deadmoney Walking <tbonesays@gmail.com > said:

> On Jan 7, 12:01 pm, thepixelfreak <n...@dot.com> wrote:
>> On 2009-01-06 18:18:56 -0800, Joe Long <nos...@spam.com> said:
>>
>>>>> Another good question you could ask is why Israel doesn't allow the
>>>>> International Red Cross to enter Gaza to treat the massive numbers of
>>>>> injured civilians they are creating with weapons provided by your tax
> es:
>>
>>> A use of my taxes of which I heartily approve.  We pay a price for ou
> r
>>> support of Israel, but it is a price I am happy to pay.
>>
>> Yup, and the 4000 that died in the WTC on 9/11/2001. That too was the
>> price we pay for supporting Israel. If you don't see that your a moron.
>>
>> --
>>
>> thepixelfreak
>
> Don't forget Kyoto, Bin Laden was real mad about that.

Many of the eventual findings of the 9/11 Commission with respect to
motives have been supported by other experts. Counter-terrorism expert
Richard A. Clarke explains in his 2004 book, Against All Enemies, that
U.S. foreign policy decisions including "confronting Moscow in
Afghanistan, inserting the U.S. military in the Persian Gulf," and
"strengthening Israel as a base for a southern flank against the
Soviets" contributed to al-Qaeda's motives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
Of course wikipedia is a liberal left wing media as is Richard Clark.

--

thepixelfreak



   
Date: 08 Jan 2009 00:34:36
From: pixelfreak
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On 2009-01-07 16:15:13 -0800, Deadmoney Walking <tbonesays@gmail.com > said:

> On Jan 7, 12:01 pm, thepixelfreak <n...@dot.com> wrote:
>> On 2009-01-06 18:18:56 -0800, Joe Long <nos...@spam.com> said:
>>
>>>>> Another good question you could ask is why Israel doesn't allow the
>>>>> International Red Cross to enter Gaza to treat the massive numbers of
>>>>> injured civilians they are creating with weapons provided by your tax
> es:
>>
>>> A use of my taxes of which I heartily approve.  We pay a price for ou
> r
>>> support of Israel, but it is a price I am happy to pay.
>>
>> Yup, and the 4000 that died in the WTC on 9/11/2001. That too was the
>> price we pay for supporting Israel. If you don't see that your a moron.
>>
>> --
>>
>> thepixelfreak
>
> Don't forget Kyoto, Bin Laden was real mad about that.

Nice, take your fucking head out of the sand.

--

thepixelfreak



   
Date: 07 Jan 2009 23:34:57
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?

"Deadmoney Walking" <tbonesays@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:d3978f7a-223b-4710-a5e2-e4801f069fd7@s37g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 7, 12:01 pm, thepixelfreak <n...@dot.com > wrote:
> On 2009-01-06 18:18:56 -0800, Joe Long <nos...@spam.com> said:
>
> Yup, and the 4000 that died in the WTC on 9/11/2001. That too was the
> price we pay for supporting Israel. If you don't see that your a moron.
>
> --
>
> thepixelfreak

I've always put freak on being an anti-semite nazi type thug. I'm usually
right about such things. I guess spotting pieces of nazi shit is just easy.
I'd kick his pussy if I ever met him.




    
Date: 08 Jan 2009 00:33:46
From: pixelfreak
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On 2009-01-07 21:34:57 -0800, "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com > said:

>
> "Deadmoney Walking" <tbonesays@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:d3978f7a-223b-4710-a5e2-e4801f069fd7@s37g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 7, 12:01 pm, thepixelfreak <n...@dot.com> wrote:
>> On 2009-01-06 18:18:56 -0800, Joe Long <nos...@spam.com> said:
>>
>> Yup, and the 4000 that died in the WTC on 9/11/2001. That too was the
>> price we pay for supporting Israel. If you don't see that your a moron.
>>
>> --
>>
>> thepixelfreak
>
> I've always put freak on being an anti-semite nazi type thug. I'm usually
> right about such things. I guess spotting pieces of nazi shit is just easy.
> I'd kick his pussy if I ever met him.

You better bring your fucking A-game internet tough guy.
--

thepixelfreak



  
Date: 05 Jan 2009 15:03:02
From: Deadmoney Walking
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 5, 6:01=A0am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> On Jan 4 2009 8:34 PM, Howard Beale wrote:
>
> > > It's Israel that has been trying to starve the Palestinians into
> > > submission for years. It's Israel that has dropped over a hundred ton=
s of
> > > bombs on an area the size of a postage stamp the last three or four d=
ays
> > > when the nazi-like starvation policy created more resistance rather t=
han
> > > the opposite. But you reserve your criticism for Egypt?
>
> > You're reading criticism into my post. =A0I'm genuinely puzzled. =A0I
> > understand that Egypt has problems but these are extraordinary
> > circumstances. =A0They let some of the wounded out of Gaza for treatmen=
t at
> > Egyptian hospitals. =A0Why not create a temporary haven for the despera=
te?
> > It can't be money, they could get plenty of that for such a purpose.
>
> > HB
>
> Why don't you ask why Israel doesn't give the innocent Palestinian
> civilians refuge in Israel which is actually Palestine in the first place=
?
>
> Another good question you could ask is why Israel doesn't allow the
> International Red Cross to enter Gaza to treat the massive numbers of
> injured civilians they are creating with weapons provided by your taxes:
>
> "The Swiss government condemned the move, calling on Israel to immediatel=
y
> reopen all border crossings to allow humanitarian aid into the strip, and
> urged both sides to respect the provisions of international humanitarian
> law, including allowing access to the victims of the war."http://news.ant=
iwar.com/2009/01/04/israel-wont-let-red-cross-team-int...
>
> Gaza Hospital Fills Up, Mainly With Civilianshttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/=
01/05/world/middleeast/05gaza.html?partne...
>
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civilians =3D everyone not wearing a uniform.


   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 19:18:56
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
Deadmoney Walking wrote:

>> Why don't you ask why Israel doesn't give the innocent Palestinian
>> civilians refuge in Israel which is actually Palestine in the first place?

Like most other parts of the world, the land that is Israel used to be
something else, to belong to someone else. Just like the U.S. no longer
belongs to the American Indians, and central-north Africa no longer
belongs to the Carthaginians, Israel no longer belongs to the
Palestinians. I fear that peace will only come to that region after the
older generations die off and the new generations accept that reality.

The Arab states have never helped the Palestinians in any meaningful
way. They cram some of them into squalid refugee camps but do not allow
them to immigrate and become citizens. They fuel their hopeless dreams
of killing the Jews and destroying Israel instead of resettling them.

>> Another good question you could ask is why Israel doesn't allow the
>> International Red Cross to enter Gaza to treat the massive numbers of
>> injured civilians they are creating with weapons provided by your taxes:

A use of my taxes of which I heartily approve. We pay a price for our
support of Israel, but it is a price I am happy to pay.

All that the Palestinians need to do to end the killing of Palestinians
is to stop killing Israelis. The means to permanently end the violence
has been in their hands for decades.


--
Joe Long aka ChipRider
Somewhere on the Range


    
Date: 08 Jan 2009 00:56:57
From: pixelfreak
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On 2009-01-06 18:18:56 -0800, Joe Long <nospam@spam.com > said:

> Like most other parts of the world, the land that is Israel used to be
> something else, to belong to someone else.

And that is a valid justification? Really? Then why did 38000 US vets
die in Vietnam? South Vietnam was just some other place that used to
belong to someone else. You don't really think the US government gave a
rats ass about the South Vietnamese do you?

--

thepixelfreak



     
Date: 08 Jan 2009 16:18:19
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
pixelfreak wrote:
> On 2009-01-06 18:18:56 -0800, Joe Long <nospam@spam.com> said:
>
>> Like most other parts of the world, the land that is Israel used to be
>> something else, to belong to someone else.
>
> And that is a valid justification? Really?

Of course it is. Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California used to be
part of Mexico. Today they are part of the U.S. How many rockets has
Mexico fired into the U.S. in the last 50 years?

> Then why did 38000 US vets
> die in Vietnam? South Vietnam was just some other place that used to
> belong to someone else. You don't really think the US government gave a
> rats ass about the South Vietnamese do you?

We tried to keep it from becoming "some other place that used to belong
to someone else." We did not succeed. How many rockets have we fired
into Vietnam in the last 30 years?


--
Joe Long aka ChipRider
Somewhere on the Range


     
Date: 08 Jan 2009 13:49:35
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 00:56:57 -0800, pixelfreak <not@dot.com > wrote:

>On 2009-01-06 18:18:56 -0800, Joe Long <nospam@spam.com> said:
>
>> Like most other parts of the world, the land that is Israel used to be
>> something else, to belong to someone else.
>
>And that is a valid justification? Really? Then why did 38000 US vets
>die in Vietnam? South Vietnam was just some other place that used to
>belong to someone else. You don't really think the US government gave a
>rats ass about the South Vietnamese do you?

Not particularly. They cared about Russia, Red China, and the evils
of Communism, and the domino theory. South Vietnam was a
geopolitical chesspiece.


    
Date: 07 Jan 2009 12:48:16
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?

"Joe Long" <nospam@spam.com > wrote in message
news:J6GdnTW99sGPjPnUnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@giganews.com...

> Palestinians. I fear that peace will only come to that region after the
> older generations die off and the new generations accept that reality.

Will never happen. Sad to say. There is only one way to solve the muslim
problem. Israel already has the solution. Soon it will have both the
authority and the will. Then islam will cease to exist as a viable entity.
Slaughtering and then starving 600 to 800 million of them would probably get
the job done and what remained would consider it an act of God. Not allah -
God. Sort of a suggestion to clean up their act.


> All that the Palestinians need to do to end the killing of Palestinians
> is to stop killing Israelis. The means to permanently end the violence
> has been in their hands for decades.
>

Then what would they do for a living? I mean besides getting a fucking job?
The Saudis and Iranians pay big bucks for every bomb that falls on Palestine
positions and for every sand nigger that dies. Its like a lotto for these
animals. A few kids die but what the fuck - Israel gets some really bad
press.






    
Date: 07 Jan 2009 09:01:34
From: thepixelfreak
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On 2009-01-06 18:18:56 -0800, Joe Long <nospam@spam.com > said:

>>> Another good question you could ask is why Israel doesn't allow the
>>> International Red Cross to enter Gaza to treat the massive numbers of
>>> injured civilians they are creating with weapons provided by your taxes:
>
> A use of my taxes of which I heartily approve. We pay a price for our
> support of Israel, but it is a price I am happy to pay.

Yup, and the 4000 that died in the WTC on 9/11/2001. That too was the
price we pay for supporting Israel. If you don't see that your a moron.

--

thepixelfreak



     
Date: 09 Jan 2009 18:40:53
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:01:34 -0800, thepixelfreak <not@dot.com > wrote:

>On 2009-01-06 18:18:56 -0800, Joe Long <nospam@spam.com> said:
>
>>>> Another good question you could ask is why Israel doesn't allow the
>>>> International Red Cross to enter Gaza to treat the massive numbers of
>>>> injured civilians they are creating with weapons provided by your taxes:
>>
>> A use of my taxes of which I heartily approve. We pay a price for our
>> support of Israel, but it is a price I am happy to pay.
>
>Yup, and the 4000 that died in the WTC on 9/11/2001. That too was the
>price we pay for supporting Israel. If you don't see that your a moron.

Go back and do a little research and tell me the first time that AQ
even mentioned the Palestinians.

Much later than 2001, IIRC.


     
Date: 08 Jan 2009 13:43:51
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:01:34 -0800, thepixelfreak <not@dot.com > wrote:

>your a moron.

Classic Usenet.


      
Date: 09 Jan 2009 09:44:04
From: thepixelfreak
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On 2009-01-08 13:43:51 -0800, Pepe Papon
<hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid > said:

> On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:01:34 -0800, thepixelfreak <not@dot.com> wrote:
>
>> your a moron.
>
> Classic Usenet.

Classic cut out the context and try to look like a usenet genius.
Bravo! Pepe gets a little gold star on the board today children!
--

thepixelfreak



       
Date: 10 Jan 2009 00:27:11
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:44:04 -0800, thepixelfreak <not@dot.com > wrote:

>On 2009-01-08 13:43:51 -0800, Pepe Papon
><hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> said:
>
>> On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:01:34 -0800, thepixelfreak <not@dot.com> wrote:
>>
>>> your a moron.
>>
>> Classic Usenet.
>
>Classic cut out the context and try to look like a usenet genius.
>Bravo! Pepe gets a little gold star on the board today children!

Sorry I hurt your feelings.


    
Date: 07 Jan 2009 06:41:41
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
"Joe Long"

>>> Why don't you ask why Israel doesn't give the innocent Palestinian
>>> civilians refuge in Israel which is actually Palestine in the first
>>> place?
>
> Like most other parts of the world, the land that is Israel used to be
> something else, to belong to someone else.

Just a few minutes of study of the "barbarians" might give someone who was
interested some insight into the changing "ownership" of most of what we
call western europe. Who could keep track? Who really should get to say
they are the rightful occupants of anywhere "in the first place?"

Goths, Visigoths, Gepids, Burgundians, Huns, Vandals ... and who knows how
many more "names" can be assigned.




  
Date: 04 Jan 2009 20:45:19
From: thepixelfreak
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On 2009-01-04 17:24:54 -0800, "risky biz" <risky-biz@sbcglobal.net > said:

> On Jan 3 2009 11:21 PM, Howard Beale wrote:
>
>> <snip>
>> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these people
>> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
>> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that internationally
>> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
>> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
>>
>>
>> Howard Beale
>
> It's Israel that has been trying to starve the Palestinians into
> submission for years. It's Israel that has dropped over a hundred tons of
> bombs on an area the size of a postage stamp the last three or four days
> when the nazi-like starvation policy created more resistance rather than
> the opposite. But you reserve your criticism for Egypt?

Because anyone that criticizes Israel is an anti-semite. They've been
stealing land from the Palestinians for decades, bulldozing entire
villages to make more room for new Israeli 'settlements' etc. Lately
the Palestinians have been bringing this shit on themselves but I do
understand their beef with Israel. Anyhow, it's all fucked up there
ever since the U.N created this bullshit state in 1947.

Someone needs to call them on this shit though, seems they're using
White Phosphorus again like they did back in 2006.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5447590.ece

Sure, they're using it as a 'smokescreen'. Yea, riiiiiight...

--

thepixelfreak



  
Date: 04 Jan 2009 19:34:56
From: Howard Beale
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
> It's Israel that has been trying to starve the Palestinians into
> submission for years. It's Israel that has dropped over a hundred tons of
> bombs on an area the size of a postage stamp the last three or four days
> when the nazi-like starvation policy created more resistance rather than
> the opposite. But you reserve your criticism for Egypt?


You're reading criticism into my post. I'm genuinely puzzled. I
understand that Egypt has problems but these are extraordinary
circumstances. They let some of the wounded out of Gaza for treatment at
Egyptian hospitals. Why not create a temporary haven for the desperate?
It can't be money, they could get plenty of that for such a purpose.


HB

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 03:01:51
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 4 2009 8:34 PM, Howard Beale wrote:

> > It's Israel that has been trying to starve the Palestinians into
> > submission for years. It's Israel that has dropped over a hundred tons of
> > bombs on an area the size of a postage stamp the last three or four days
> > when the nazi-like starvation policy created more resistance rather than
> > the opposite. But you reserve your criticism for Egypt?
>
>
> You're reading criticism into my post. I'm genuinely puzzled. I
> understand that Egypt has problems but these are extraordinary
> circumstances. They let some of the wounded out of Gaza for treatment at
> Egyptian hospitals. Why not create a temporary haven for the desperate?
> It can't be money, they could get plenty of that for such a purpose.
>
>
> HB

Why don't you ask why Israel doesn't give the innocent Palestinian
civilians refuge in Israel which is actually Palestine in the first place?

Another good question you could ask is why Israel doesn't allow the
International Red Cross to enter Gaza to treat the massive numbers of
injured civilians they are creating with weapons provided by your taxes:

"The Swiss government condemned the move, calling on Israel to immediately
reopen all border crossings to allow humanitarian aid into the strip, and
urged both sides to respect the provisions of international humanitarian
law, including allowing access to the victims of the war."
http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/04/israel-wont-let-red-cross-team-into-gaza/

Gaza Hospital Fills Up, Mainly With Civilians
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/05/world/middleeast/05gaza.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 04:25:50
From: Howard Beale
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 5 2009 4:01 AM, risky biz wrote:

> On Jan 4 2009 8:34 PM, Howard Beale wrote:
>
> > > It's Israel that has been trying to starve the Palestinians into
> > > submission for years. It's Israel that has dropped over a hundred tons of
> > > bombs on an area the size of a postage stamp the last three or four days
> > > when the nazi-like starvation policy created more resistance rather than
> > > the opposite. But you reserve your criticism for Egypt?
> >
> >
> > You're reading criticism into my post. I'm genuinely puzzled. I
> > understand that Egypt has problems but these are extraordinary
> > circumstances. They let some of the wounded out of Gaza for treatment at
> > Egyptian hospitals. Why not create a temporary haven for the desperate?
> > It can't be money, they could get plenty of that for such a purpose.
> >
> >
> > HB
>
> Why don't you ask why Israel doesn't give the innocent Palestinian
> civilians refuge in Israel which is actually Palestine in the first place?

I wish they could and would. But it still wouldn't satisfy you. And it
doesn't answer the Egyptian question.


> Another good question you could ask is why Israel doesn't allow the
> International Red Cross to enter Gaza to treat the massive numbers of
> injured civilians they are creating with weapons provided by your taxes:
>
> "The Swiss government condemned the move, calling on Israel to immediately
> reopen all border crossings to allow humanitarian aid into the strip, and
> urged both sides to respect the provisions of international humanitarian
> law, including allowing access to the victims of the war."
> http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/04/israel-wont-let-red-cross-team-into-gaza/
>
> Gaza Hospital Fills Up, Mainly With Civilians
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/05/world/middleeast/05gaza.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all


It's a war zone. Maybe Israel doesn't care to have to worry about the
casualties they might incur. The Israeli/Palestinian wars are strange
sorts of wars though, aren't they?. Everybody watching every detail,
outraged at the slightest mistake by one side. If I were Israel I'd try
to hire Assad to run the war for them. His dad knew how to attack his
enemies w/ the fewest casualties to his army. And, since he's an Arab,
nobody would care.


HB

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 08:51:13
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 5 2009 5:25 AM, Howard Beale wrote:

> On Jan 5 2009 4:01 AM, risky biz wrote:
>
> > On Jan 4 2009 8:34 PM, Howard Beale wrote:
> >
> > > > It's Israel that has been trying to starve the Palestinians into
> > > > submission for years. It's Israel that has dropped over a hundred tons
of
> > > > bombs on an area the size of a postage stamp the last three or four
days
> > > > when the nazi-like starvation policy created more resistance rather
than
> > > > the opposite. But you reserve your criticism for Egypt?
> > >
> > >
> > > You're reading criticism into my post. I'm genuinely puzzled. I
> > > understand that Egypt has problems but these are extraordinary
> > > circumstances. They let some of the wounded out of Gaza for treatment at
> > > Egyptian hospitals. Why not create a temporary haven for the desperate?
> > > It can't be money, they could get plenty of that for such a purpose.
> > >
> > >
> > > HB
> >
> > Why don't you ask why Israel doesn't give the innocent Palestinian
> > civilians refuge in Israel which is actually Palestine in the first place?
>
> I wish they could and would. But it still wouldn't satisfy you. And it
> doesn't answer the Egyptian question.
>
>
> > Another good question you could ask is why Israel doesn't allow the
> > International Red Cross to enter Gaza to treat the massive numbers of
> > injured civilians they are creating with weapons provided by your taxes:
> >
> > "The Swiss government condemned the move, calling on Israel to immediately
> > reopen all border crossings to allow humanitarian aid into the strip, and
> > urged both sides to respect the provisions of international humanitarian
> > law, including allowing access to the victims of the war."
> >
http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/04/israel-wont-let-red-cross-team-into-gaza/
> >
> > Gaza Hospital Fills Up, Mainly With Civilians
> >
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/05/world/middleeast/05gaza.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all
>
>
> It's a war zone. Maybe Israel doesn't care to have to worry about the
> casualties they might incur. The Israeli/Palestinian wars are strange
> sorts of wars though, aren't they?. Everybody watching every detail,
> outraged at the slightest mistake by one side. If I were Israel I'd try
> to hire Assad to run the war for them. His dad knew how to attack his
> enemies w/ the fewest casualties to his army. And, since he's an Arab,
> nobody would care.
>
>
> HB

I wouldn't guess that no one cares since that happened in 1982 (24 years
ago) and numerous apologizers for Israel use it to legitimize Israel's
atrocities TODAY.

The person reponsible for that was Rifaat Al-Assad, Hafez Al-Assad's
brother, who is now coordinating with the US and Israel in an attempt to
overthrow the Syrian government. Funny, isn't it, how the US always ends
up in bed with the scumbags?

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 11:30:57
From: Howard Beale
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
Funny, isn't it, how the US always ends
up in bed with the scumbags?

Like Kosovo?
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2008-02/2008-02-18-voa19.cfm?CFID=88640465&CFTOKEN=83253523


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Date: 05 Jan 2009 20:29:33
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 5 2009 12:30 PM, Howard Beale wrote:

> Funny, isn't it, how the US always ends
> up in bed with the scumbags?
>
> Like Kosovo?
>
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2008-02/2008-02-18-voa19.cfm?CFID=88640465&CFTOKEN=83253523
>
>
> Howard Beale

What's your point or am I supposed to guess?

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 21:30:38
From: Howard Beale
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 5 2009 9:29 PM, risky biz wrote:

> On Jan 5 2009 12:30 PM, Howard Beale wrote:
>
> > Funny, isn't it, how the US always ends
> > up in bed with the scumbags?
> >
> > Like Kosovo?
> >
>
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2008-02/2008-02-18-voa19.cfm?CFID=88640465&CFTOKEN=83253523
> >
> >
> > Howard Beale
>
> What's your point or am I supposed to guess?


Go ahead, pretend you don't get it.


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Date: 05 Jan 2009 23:42:48
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 5 2009 10:30 PM, Howard Beale wrote:

> On Jan 5 2009 9:29 PM, risky biz wrote:
>
> > On Jan 5 2009 12:30 PM, Howard Beale wrote:
> >
> > > Funny, isn't it, how the US always ends
> > > up in bed with the scumbags?
> > >
> > > Like Kosovo?
> > >
> >
>
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2008-02/2008-02-18-voa19.cfm?CFID=88640465&CFTOKEN=83253523
> > >
> > >
> > > Howard Beale
> >
> > What's your point or am I supposed to guess?
>
>
> Go ahead, pretend you don't get it.
>
>
> HB

Go ahead, pretend you know what your point is.

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 09:46:29
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?

"Howard Beale" <a1695@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:era936xbt7.ln2@recgroups.com...
> outraged at the slightest mistake by one side. If I were Israel I'd try
> to hire Assad to run the war for them. His dad knew how to attack his
> enemies w/ the fewest casualties to his army. And, since he's an Arab,
> nobody would care.


You mean Hussein of Jordan? That guy (the late father not today's son,)
killed like 60,000 of them or something. Cool dude. After all, they are just
the criminal element in the region. Always have been. That's why you can't
defeat them one at a time. Their kids are so inbred that they are just going
to grow up to be like dad. If there ever was a case for justifiable chemical
warfare it would have to be against the Jordanian criminal class, otherwise
known as the Palestinians. I'm talking about a final solution to the
problem. I say give peace a chance.







      
Date: 05 Jan 2009 08:52:59
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 5 2009 8:46 AM, Neverchop wrote:

> "Howard Beale" <a1695@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:era936xbt7.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > outraged at the slightest mistake by one side. If I were Israel I'd try
> > to hire Assad to run the war for them. His dad knew how to attack his
> > enemies w/ the fewest casualties to his army. And, since he's an Arab,
> > nobody would care.
>
>
> You mean Hussein of Jordan? That guy (the late father not today's son,)
> killed like 60,000 of them or something. Cool dude. After all, they are just
> the criminal element in the region. Always have been. That's why you can't
> defeat them one at a time. Their kids are so inbred that they are just going
> to grow up to be like dad. If there ever was a case for justifiable chemical
> warfare it would have to be against the Jordanian criminal class, otherwise
> known as the Palestinians. I'm talking about a final solution to the
> problem. I say give peace a chance.

Israel has some really commendable supporters, doesn't it? Israel is
naziism of the modern era and todays nazis love it.

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Date: 04 Jan 2009 23:05:19
From: bub
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:34:56 -0800, "Howard Beale"
<a1695@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

They let some of the wounded out of Gaza for treatment at
>Egyptian hospitals. Why not create a temporary haven for the desperate?
>It can't be money, they could get plenty of that for such a purpose.
>
>
>HB

Jan 2, 2009 18:35


   
Date: 04 Jan 2009 19:47:14
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 4 2009 10:34 PM, Howard Beale wrote:

> > It's Israel that has been trying to starve the Palestinians into
> > submission for years. It's Israel that has dropped over a hundred tons of
> > bombs on an area the size of a postage stamp the last three or four days
> > when the nazi-like starvation policy created more resistance rather than
> > the opposite. But you reserve your criticism for Egypt?
>
>
> You're reading criticism into my post. I'm genuinely puzzled.

You said "Shame on you, Egypt. Shame on you."

That is criticism.

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Date: 04 Jan 2009 20:29:04
From: Howard Beale
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 4 2009 8:47 PM, FellKnight wrote:

> On Jan 4 2009 10:34 PM, Howard Beale wrote:
>
> > > It's Israel that has been trying to starve the Palestinians into
> > > submission for years. It's Israel that has dropped over a hundred tons of
> > > bombs on an area the size of a postage stamp the last three or four days
> > > when the nazi-like starvation policy created more resistance rather than
> > > the opposite. But you reserve your criticism for Egypt?
> >
> >
> > You're reading criticism into my post. I'm genuinely puzzled.
>
> You said "Shame on you, Egypt. Shame on you."
>
> That is criticism.


I said: 'And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'

That's a big 'if' and, frankly, I don't think it's the reason. I think
they're more afraid of the Palestinians than the Israelis are but they
should still let the women, children, sick and elderly out.


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Date: 04 Jan 2009 10:59:05
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 4 2009 1:21 AM, Howard Beale wrote:

> Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the women
> and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
> responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
> children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see this
> suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab countries
> that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.
>
> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these people
> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that internationally
> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'

Egypt is already overcrowded, resource starved, and a literal tinderbox of
ethnic, religious, and political instability. I'd imagine the last thing
their gov't wants is an influx of poor refugees with no means to support
themselves.

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Date: 07 Jan 2009 23:45:08
From: funky cold medina
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 4, 4:07=A0pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
>
> I do not support Hamas or Hezbollah, but I do support the right of the
> Palestinians to fight off the oppressors who have occupied their country
> for 4 decades. It's really no surprise they turned to radical
> organizations like Hamas to help their cause.
>
> Just keep in mind that by unquestioningly supporting Israel's actions, yo=
u
> are cheerleading for the longest on-going war crime in the world. I know
> that probably doesn't phase you, but it's worth thinking about, dontcha
> think?
>
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Chris, you seem like a fairly bright guy and I enjoy reading your
posts... agree with you on a lot of things.

But in a couple of things I think you (and Risky, whom I get a kick
out of reading too, at times) are flat-out wrong.

- I don't believe, at all, that the government was in any way involved
with a conspiracy promoting the twin-towers bombing on Sept 11, 2001.
And God knows I don't think much of the Bush administration. But I
certainly don't think they were involved in some sort of diabolical
cold-blooded plot to mass-murder Amercians. I take that one at face
value, it was done by people that hate us, that wish to do us harm,
and they will play that hand out. They're not bluffing.

- Israel has been at war with neighbors whom have refused to recognize
their right to exist there since the country's inception in '48. Yes,
there has been overkill in Gaza/Palestine - but they're in a pretty
fucking tough spot and there are powerful elements in the region who
would jump at the opportunity to run roughshod over them. I don't see
that they're that out of line or their demands for the dismantling of
Hamas and the 'cease and desist' with the rockets (which are certainly
pointed at innocents) are unreasonable. Violence/Aggression is a bad
route a lot of the time... but sometimes -- yeah.

Anyway, I don't think you'll change up your position on this, and I
hope for cooler heads in that region and a general acceptance that
they've got to live together - Israel isn't going away, neither are
the Muslims. Not anytime soon. So I hope for the best... but I
support Israel in taking action to protect it's interest in the face
of powerful forces that wish it harm.

And Hamas... those fucking cowards want civilian casualties. They
hide in the civilian population and use them as a shield.

I don't know... it's a fucked thing.


  
Date: 04 Jan 2009 14:53:27
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?

"ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:pgd736xch2.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 4 2009 1:21 AM, Howard Beale wrote:
>
>> Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the
>> women
>> and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
>> responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
>> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
>> children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see this
>> suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab countries
>> that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.
>>
>> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these
>> people
>> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
>> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that internationally
>> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
>> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
>
> Egypt is already overcrowded, resource starved, and a literal tinderbox of
> ethnic, religious, and political instability. I'd imagine the last thing
> their gov't wants is an influx of poor refugees with no means to support
> themselves.
>

"I'd imagine the last thing their gov't wants is an influx of poor refugees
with no means to support
themselves."


Simple solution bucko. You get a bunch of lunatic liberal left California
Democrats to go to Egypt and show them how to set up "sanctuary cities".

Irish Mike

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Date: 04 Jan 2009 14:40:28
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 4 2009 2:53 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:pgd736xch2.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Jan 4 2009 1:21 AM, Howard Beale wrote:
> >
> >> Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the
> >> women
> >> and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
> >> responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
> >> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
> >> children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see this
> >> suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab countries
> >> that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.
> >>
> >> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these
> >> people
> >> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
> >> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that internationally
> >> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
> >> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
> >
> > Egypt is already overcrowded, resource starved, and a literal tinderbox of
> > ethnic, religious, and political instability. I'd imagine the last thing
> > their gov't wants is an influx of poor refugees with no means to support
> > themselves.
> >
>
> "I'd imagine the last thing their gov't wants is an influx of poor refugees
> with no means to support
> themselves."
>
>
> Simple solution bucko. You get a bunch of lunatic liberal left California
> Democrats to go to Egypt and show them how to set up "sanctuary cities".
>

The US has federalism where the local police aren't traditionally
enforcing federal laws, instead they are supposed to protect you from
overzealous revenuers.

In the US Sanctuary Cities are very compatible with a political and
cultural history of federalism. Maybe not so much in Ireland or Egypt
though.

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Date: 04 Jan 2009 13:28:57
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 4 2009 2:53 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:pgd736xch2.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Jan 4 2009 1:21 AM, Howard Beale wrote:
> >
> >> Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the
> >> women
> >> and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
> >> responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
> >> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
> >> children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see this
> >> suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab countries
> >> that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.
> >>
> >> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these
> >> people
> >> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
> >> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that internationally
> >> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
> >> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
> >
> > Egypt is already overcrowded, resource starved, and a literal tinderbox of
> > ethnic, religious, and political instability. I'd imagine the last thing
> > their gov't wants is an influx of poor refugees with no means to support
> > themselves.
> >
>
> "I'd imagine the last thing their gov't wants is an influx of poor refugees
> with no means to support
> themselves."
>
>
> Simple solution bucko. You get a bunch of lunatic liberal left California
> Democrats to go to Egypt and show them how to set up "sanctuary cities".

I have a better solution. Withhold all foreign aid to Israel until they
broker a peace treaty with the Palestinians, join the Nuclear
Non-Proliferation Treaty, and end their illegal occupation of Gaza. I
guarantee they'd get this shit figured out real quick.

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Date: 04 Jan 2009 15:24:27
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
"ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:p9m736xta3.ln2@recgroups.com...

>
> I have a better solution. Withhold all foreign aid to Israel until they
> broker a peace treaty with the Palestinians, join the Nuclear
> Non-Proliferation Treaty, and end their illegal occupation of Gaza. I
> guarantee they'd get this shit figured out real quick.
>

Good idea. Meanwhile, let's cut off immediately ALL aid and technology
transfers to the many many communist regimes in the world who have oppressed
more people on this globe than anyone in history. And start off with
cutting all funding of the United Nations and its tentacles which has
basically been the major vehicle for transferring our funds to our enemies
since its inception. That ok with you, fuck face?




     
Date: 04 Jan 2009 16:14:48
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 4 2009 6:24 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:

> "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:p9m736xta3.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> >
> > I have a better solution. Withhold all foreign aid to Israel until they
> > broker a peace treaty with the Palestinians, join the Nuclear
> > Non-Proliferation Treaty, and end their illegal occupation of Gaza. I
> > guarantee they'd get this shit figured out real quick.
> >
>
> Good idea. Meanwhile, let's cut off immediately ALL aid and technology
> transfers to the many many communist regimes in the world who have oppressed
> more people on this globe than anyone in history. And start off with
> cutting all funding of the United Nations and its tentacles which has
> basically been the major vehicle for transferring our funds to our enemies
> since its inception. That ok with you, fuck face?

Fine by me. But you know as well as I do that that's not how empires are
built/maintained. Every stick needs a carrot.

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Date: 04 Jan 2009 16:24:04
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
"ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:o00836xe84.ln2@recgroups.com...

>
> Fine by me. But you know as well as I do that that's not how empires are
> built/maintained. Every stick needs a carrot.
>

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Date: 04 Jan 2009 16:40:02
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?

"ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:p9m736xta3.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 4 2009 2:53 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
>> "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:pgd736xch2.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > On Jan 4 2009 1:21 AM, Howard Beale wrote:
>> >
>> >> Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the
>> >> women
>> >> and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
>> >> responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
>> >> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
>> >> children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see
>> >> this
>> >> suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab
>> >> countries
>> >> that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.
>> >>
>> >> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these
>> >> people
>> >> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
>> >> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that
>> >> internationally
>> >> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
>> >> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
>> >
>> > Egypt is already overcrowded, resource starved, and a literal tinderbox
>> > of
>> > ethnic, religious, and political instability. I'd imagine the last
>> > thing
>> > their gov't wants is an influx of poor refugees with no means to
>> > support
>> > themselves.
>> >
>>
>> "I'd imagine the last thing their gov't wants is an influx of poor
>> refugees
>> with no means to support
>> themselves."
>>
>>
>> Simple solution bucko. You get a bunch of lunatic liberal left
>> California
>> Democrats to go to Egypt and show them how to set up "sanctuary cities".
>
> I have a better solution. Withhold all foreign aid to Israel until they
> broker a peace treaty with the Palestinians, join the Nuclear
> Non-Proliferation Treaty, and end their illegal occupation of Gaza. I
> guarantee they'd get this shit figured out real quick.

Sure bucko. Fuck over Israel, our only ally in the middle east, to help a
bunch of muslim fanatics who turned down the chance to have their own state
and decided to blow up Israeli women and children instead. Perfect left
wing logic. BTW, Israel pulled out and gave Gaza to the Palestinians. They
could have settled it in peace. Instead Hamas decided to use the civilian
neighborhoods as a base to fire rockets in to Israel. Fuck Hamas, fuck
Hezbollah and fuck all you left wing liberals who support them.

Irish Mike





     
Date: 04 Jan 2009 16:07:54
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 4 2009 4:40 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:p9m736xta3.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Jan 4 2009 2:53 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >
> >> "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:pgd736xch2.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> > On Jan 4 2009 1:21 AM, Howard Beale wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the
> >> >> women
> >> >> and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
> >> >> responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
> >> >> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
> >> >> children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see
> >> >> this
> >> >> suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab
> >> >> countries
> >> >> that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.
> >> >>
> >> >> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these
> >> >> people
> >> >> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
> >> >> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that
> >> >> internationally
> >> >> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
> >> >> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
> >> >
> >> > Egypt is already overcrowded, resource starved, and a literal tinderbox
> >> > of
> >> > ethnic, religious, and political instability. I'd imagine the last
> >> > thing
> >> > their gov't wants is an influx of poor refugees with no means to
> >> > support
> >> > themselves.
> >> >
> >>
> >> "I'd imagine the last thing their gov't wants is an influx of poor
> >> refugees
> >> with no means to support
> >> themselves."
> >>
> >>
> >> Simple solution bucko. You get a bunch of lunatic liberal left
> >> California
> >> Democrats to go to Egypt and show them how to set up "sanctuary cities".
> >
> > I have a better solution. Withhold all foreign aid to Israel until they
> > broker a peace treaty with the Palestinians, join the Nuclear
> > Non-Proliferation Treaty, and end their illegal occupation of Gaza. I
> > guarantee they'd get this shit figured out real quick.
>
> Sure bucko. Fuck over Israel, our only ally in the middle east, to help a
> bunch of muslim fanatics who turned down the chance to have their own state
> and decided to blow up Israeli women and children instead.

So essentially you're saying Israel has no obligation to obey any sort of
laws or treaties. They're free to do continue to commit war crimes and
defy UN resolutions and international laws, and as long as they're our
"ally," they're above the law. That pretty much illustrates your mindless
support of American/Israeli policies completely devoid of morality and
legal integrity. Par for the course, I guess. Any atrocity is permissible,
as long as it's committed by the "good guys." The inherent childishness of
this stance would be immediately apparent to you if you were capable of
even a shred of critical thought.

Also, this mindless support of Israel, and of the obscene amount of money
that we ship them annually, is one of the single biggest sources of
political corruption in this country. We send them an estimated $3-6
billion a year. In turn, Israel uses this money for two purposes: to swell
the campaign coffers of incumbent American politicians, and to buy
American weapons (profits which, of course, are also reinvested in buying
politicians). In fact, one of the major stipulations of this arrangement
is that Israel buys the lion's share of their weapons from us, with money
we doled out. This is why the subject of Israel is the third-rail of
American politics, and why no major political candidates (other than
fringers like Ron Paul) will criticize the Jewish nation. They don't want
to turn off the spigot of taxpayer money that's been, essentially,
laundered through Israel and is used to get them re-elected.

(I won't even bother to respond to your silly "blowing up" comment. I
seriously doubt you want an honest comparison of civilian casualties on
each side of the conflict).

> Perfect left wing logic.

Yes, logic. As opposed to your petty tribalism, which amounts to picking a
side, and mindlessly supporting any actions that side may take, regardless
of how awful or immoral.

> BTW, Israel pulled out and gave Gaza to the Palestinians. They
> could have settled it in peace.

This is a bald faced lie. Israel never "pulled out" of Gaza, and they
certainly never observed the cease-fire. They designated a "special
security zone" within Gaza, and announced that any residents entering this
area would be shot. Despite several shooting incidents during this period,
Hamas honored the cease-fire until the Israeli air strike on Nov. 4th that
killed five Palestinians. Try again.

> Instead Hamas decided to use the civilian neighborhoods as a base to fire
rockets in to Israel.

Where the fuck do expect them to fire rockets from? The Israelis have Gaza
contained. There's no other place to fire them from, as a consequence of
the occupation. You really haven't thought any of this through at all,
have you?

> Fuck Hamas, fuck Hezbollah and fuck all you left wing liberals who support
them.

I do not support Hamas or Hezbollah, but I do support the right of the
Palestinians to fight off the oppressors who have occupied their country
for 4 decades. It's really no surprise they turned to radical
organizations like Hamas to help their cause.

Just keep in mind that by unquestioningly supporting Israel's actions, you
are cheerleading for the longest on-going war crime in the world. I know
that probably doesn't phase you, but it's worth thinking about, dontcha
think?

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Date: 04 Jan 2009 10:45:24
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
Egypt doesn't control them getting out, it just won't let them in.

Why does the US stop women and children undergoing hardship from crossing
our border?


On Jan 4 2009 1:21 AM, Howard Beale wrote:

> Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the women
> and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
> responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
> children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see this
> suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab countries
> that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.
>
> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these people
> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that internationally
> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
>
>
> Howard Beale

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 16:45:14
From: dsm1
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
> Why does the US stop women and children undergoing >hardship from crossing our border?

There are over 200,000,000 women, children, AND men facing hardship
who "Legally" cross the border from Mexico into the U.S. each year
(according to the Bureau of Transportation statistics). And that's
just from the mexican border.

How many palestinians does Egypt allow in per year? And how many in
the last few weeks, when they need it the most?


   
Date: 05 Jan 2009 20:18:29
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 5 2009 5:45 PM, dsm1 wrote:

> > Why does the US stop women and children undergoing >hardship from crossing
our border?
>
> There are over 200,000,000 women, children, AND men facing hardship
> who "Legally" cross the border from Mexico into the U.S. each year
> (according to the Bureau of Transportation statistics). And that's
> just from the mexican border.

To do what- go shopping?

>
> How many palestinians does Egypt allow in per year? And how many in
> the last few weeks, when they need it the most?

It's pretty weird that people like you are outraged Egypt doesn't take
these refugees but you aren't volunteering your own country as a refuge.

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Date: 04 Jan 2009 08:58:19
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 3 2009 11:21 PM, Howard Beale wrote:

> Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the women
> and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
> responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
> children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see this
> suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab countries
> that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.
>
> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these people
> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that internationally
> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
>
>
> Howard Beale

They're blocking the Palestinians from escaping so the Israelis can kill
them. Why do you think the US gives the Egyptian government billions of
dollars in foreign aid? It's actually more billions of dollars that should
be counted as Israeli foreign aid. The Egyptian government is just doing
the job it's getting paid for.

The same applies to the "democratic government" of the "Palestinian
Authority" in the West Bank. This "democratic government" won't even allow
Palestinians there to demonstrate against the massive bombing of their
relatives in Gaza.

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Date: 04 Jan 2009 06:14:54
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?

"Howard Beale" <a1695@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:141636x19p.ln2@recgroups.com...

> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
> children, the sick and elderly) over the border.

Who would provide the civilian casualties then? Or the homicide bombers? Or
the hand grenade delivery systems?


> then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
>

Egypt could give a rats ass about their shame. They're muslims.







 
Date: 04 Jan 2009 02:38:31
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
"Howard Beale" <a1695@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:141636x19p.ln2@recgroups.com...
> Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the women
> and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
> responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
> children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see this
> suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab countries
> that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.
>
> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these people
> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that internationally
> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
>


No "OT" in your subject line? This is a poker newsgroup. What is your
problem?




  
Date: 04 Jan 2009 08:24:14
From: Howard Beale
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
> No "OT" in your subject line? This is a poker newsgroup. What is your
> problem?

~1/2 the OT posts (and growing) now have 'OT' in the subject line. Why
bother?

Fell: In it's way the 'official' U.S. policy has been to let in the
Mexicans and many others. There is no other way to explain our incredibly
lax border policy.


Howard Beale

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Date: 03 Jan 2009 23:37:11
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 4 2009 1:21 AM, Howard Beale wrote:

> Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the women
> and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
> responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
> children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see this
> suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab countries
> that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.
>
> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these people
> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that internationally
> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
>
>
> Howard Beale

Why doesn't the USA allow the poor women and children from Mexico over the
borders voluntarily?

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Date: 04 Jan 2009 06:17:07
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?

"FellKnight" <jordandevenport@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:7i5636x1lp.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> Why doesn't the USA allow the poor women and children from Mexico over the
> borders voluntarily?
>
> Fell

You can't be this stupid and play poker. Unless? Must be a canuck. Ploink.




  
Date: 04 Jan 2009 02:37:19
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
"FellKnight" <jordandevenport@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:7i5636x1lp.ln2@recgroups.com...

>
> Why doesn't the USA allow the poor women and children from Mexico over the
> borders voluntarily?
>

They DO!




  
Date: 04 Jan 2009 02:58:04
From: Von Fourche
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?

"FellKnight" <jordandevenport@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:7i5636x1lp.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 4 2009 1:21 AM, Howard Beale wrote:
>
>> Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the
>> women
>> and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
>> responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
>> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
>> children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see this
>> suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab countries
>> that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.
>>
>> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these
>> people
>> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
>> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that internationally
>> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
>> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
>>
>>
>> Howard Beale
>
> Why doesn't the USA allow the poor women and children from Mexico over the
> borders voluntarily?
>



Fell, weren't you going to start a business with that one poker playing
gal? You were going to sell designer clothing at a low price or something?
How did that go? Are you still do it? Is she still doing it? A lady
friend and I are taking about going in business together online but we are
not sure where to start as far as getting the products we want, cheaply.
Perhaps you could offer some helpful advice.




   
Date: 04 Jan 2009 07:54:25
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
"Von Fourche" <khonakong@hotmail.com > wrote in message
>
> Fell, weren't you going to start a business with that one poker playing
> gal? You were going to sell designer clothing at a low price or
> something? How did that go? Are you still do it? Is she still doing it?
> A lady friend and I are taking about going in business together online but
> we are not sure where to start as far as getting the products we want,
> cheaply. Perhaps you could offer some helpful advice.
>

That's old news. Now they're working on a book, The Complete Guide to
Checking Out Every Bar in a Gaming Establishment in North America.

Published by Simon, Schuster, and Seagrams.




   
Date: 04 Jan 2009 07:52:54
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 4 2009 2:58 AM, Von Fourche wrote:

> "FellKnight" <jordandevenport@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7i5636x1lp.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Jan 4 2009 1:21 AM, Howard Beale wrote:
> >
> >> Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the
> >> women
> >> and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
> >> responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
> >> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
> >> children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see this
> >> suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab countries
> >> that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.
> >>
> >> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these
> >> people
> >> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
> >> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that internationally
> >> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
> >> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
> >>
> >>
> >> Howard Beale
> >
> > Why doesn't the USA allow the poor women and children from Mexico over the
> > borders voluntarily?
> >
>
>
>
> Fell, weren't you going to start a business with that one poker playing
> gal? You were going to sell designer clothing at a low price or something?
> How did that go? Are you still do it? Is she still doing it? A lady
> friend and I are taking about going in business together online but we are
> not sure where to start as far as getting the products we want, cheaply.
> Perhaps you could offer some helpful advice.

We did, and it did not succeed. Send me an email off list and I can give
you some of the lessons we learned.

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Date: 04 Jan 2009 11:34:29
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?

"FellKnight" <jordandevenport@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:mj2736xhh1.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 4 2009 2:58 AM, Von Fourche wrote:
>
>> "FellKnight" <jordandevenport@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:7i5636x1lp.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > On Jan 4 2009 1:21 AM, Howard Beale wrote:
>> >
>> >> Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the
>> >> women
>> >> and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
>> >> responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
>> >> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
>> >> children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see
>> >> this
>> >> suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab
>> >> countries
>> >> that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.
>> >>
>> >> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these
>> >> people
>> >> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
>> >> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that
>> >> internationally
>> >> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
>> >> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Howard Beale
>> >
>> > Why doesn't the USA allow the poor women and children from Mexico over
>> > the
>> > borders voluntarily?
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> Fell, weren't you going to start a business with that one poker playing
>> gal? You were going to sell designer clothing at a low price or
>> something?
>> How did that go? Are you still do it? Is she still doing it? A lady
>> friend and I are taking about going in business together online but we
>> are
>> not sure where to start as far as getting the products we want, cheaply.
>> Perhaps you could offer some helpful advice.
>
> We did, and it did not succeed. Send me an email off list and I can give
> you some of the lessons we learned.
>
> Fell

Lesson one: People don't want to buy designer clothing with hockey puck
logos - even if you include a free six oz. bottle of maple syrup with every
purchase.

Irish Mike




  
Date: 04 Jan 2009 02:47:09
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?

"FellKnight" <jordandevenport@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:7i5636x1lp.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 4 2009 1:21 AM, Howard Beale wrote:
>
>> Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the
>> women
>> and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
>> responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
>> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
>> children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see this
>> suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab countries
>> that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.
>>
>> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these
>> people
>> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
>> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that internationally
>> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
>> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
>>
>>
>> Howard Beale
>
> Why doesn't the USA allow the poor women and children from Mexico over the
> borders voluntarily?
>
> Fell

Are you serious? They're already flooding in to America by the tens of
thousands. But if you're so concerned about their plight, why doesn't
Canada step up and volunteer to take five or ten million of the illegals
aready living in the U.S.?

Irish Mike




   
Date: 04 Jan 2009 07:50:31
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 4 2009 2:47 AM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "FellKnight" <jordandevenport@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7i5636x1lp.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Jan 4 2009 1:21 AM, Howard Beale wrote:
> >
> >> Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the
> >> women
> >> and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
> >> responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
> >> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
> >> children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see this
> >> suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab countries
> >> that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.
> >>
> >> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these
> >> people
> >> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
> >> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that internationally
> >> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
> >> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
> >>
> >>
> >> Howard Beale
> >
> > Why doesn't the USA allow the poor women and children from Mexico over the
> > borders voluntarily?
> >
> > Fell
>
> Are you serious? They're already flooding in to America by the tens of
> thousands. But if you're so concerned about their plight, why doesn't
> Canada step up and volunteer to take five or ten million of the illegals
> aready living in the U.S.?
>
> Irish Mike

Leave it to you, Mike, to completely and epically *WHOOSH* on this.

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Date: 04 Jan 2009 11:28:02
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?

"FellKnight" <jordandevenport@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:7f2736x9h1.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 4 2009 2:47 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
>> "FellKnight" <jordandevenport@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:7i5636x1lp.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > On Jan 4 2009 1:21 AM, Howard Beale wrote:
>> >
>> >> Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the
>> >> women
>> >> and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
>> >> responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
>> >> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
>> >> children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see
>> >> this
>> >> suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab
>> >> countries
>> >> that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.
>> >>
>> >> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these
>> >> people
>> >> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
>> >> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that
>> >> internationally
>> >> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
>> >> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Howard Beale
>> >
>> > Why doesn't the USA allow the poor women and children from Mexico over
>> > the
>> > borders voluntarily?
>> >
>> > Fell
>>
>> Are you serious? They're already flooding in to America by the tens of
>> thousands. But if you're so concerned about their plight, why doesn't
>> Canada step up and volunteer to take five or ten million of the illegals
>> aready living in the U.S.?
>>
>> Irish Mike
>
> Leave it to you, Mike, to completely and epically *WHOOSH* on this.
>
> Fell

Leave it to you, Fell, to try a lame attempt to change the subject when you
just got your ass nailed for making an incredibly stupid comment.

Irish Mike




     
Date: 04 Jan 2009 10:10:45
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 4 2009 11:28 AM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "FellKnight" <jordandevenport@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7f2736x9h1.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Jan 4 2009 2:47 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >
> >> "FellKnight" <jordandevenport@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:7i5636x1lp.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> > On Jan 4 2009 1:21 AM, Howard Beale wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the
> >> >> women
> >> >> and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
> >> >> responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
> >> >> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
> >> >> children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see
> >> >> this
> >> >> suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab
> >> >> countries
> >> >> that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.
> >> >>
> >> >> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these
> >> >> people
> >> >> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
> >> >> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that
> >> >> internationally
> >> >> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
> >> >> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Howard Beale
> >> >
> >> > Why doesn't the USA allow the poor women and children from Mexico over
> >> > the
> >> > borders voluntarily?
> >> >
> >> > Fell
> >>
> >> Are you serious? They're already flooding in to America by the tens of
> >> thousands. But if you're so concerned about their plight, why doesn't
> >> Canada step up and volunteer to take five or ten million of the illegals
> >> aready living in the U.S.?
> >>
> >> Irish Mike
> >
> > Leave it to you, Mike, to completely and epically *WHOOSH* on this.
> >
> > Fell
>
> Leave it to you, Fell, to try a lame attempt to change the subject when you
> just got your ass nailed for making an incredibly stupid comment.
>
> Irish Mike

It's my fault that you cannot understand that a rhetorical question is
rhetorical?

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Date: 04 Jan 2009 09:28:57
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?
On Jan 4 2009 11:28 AM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "FellKnight" <jordandevenport@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7f2736x9h1.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Jan 4 2009 2:47 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >
> >> "FellKnight" <jordandevenport@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:7i5636x1lp.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> > On Jan 4 2009 1:21 AM, Howard Beale wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the
> >> >> women
> >> >> and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
> >> >> responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
> >> >> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
> >> >> children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see
> >> >> this
> >> >> suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab
> >> >> countries
> >> >> that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.
> >> >>
> >> >> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these
> >> >> people
> >> >> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
> >> >> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that
> >> >> internationally
> >> >> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
> >> >> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Howard Beale
> >> >
> >> > Why doesn't the USA allow the poor women and children from Mexico over
> >> > the
> >> > borders voluntarily?
> >> >
> >> > Fell
> >>
> >> Are you serious? They're already flooding in to America by the tens of
> >> thousands. But if you're so concerned about their plight, why doesn't
> >> Canada step up and volunteer to take five or ten million of the illegals
> >> aready living in the U.S.?
> >>
> >> Irish Mike
> >
> > Leave it to you, Mike, to completely and epically *WHOOSH* on this.
> >
> > Fell
>
> Leave it to you, Fell, to try a lame attempt to change the subject when you
> just got your ass nailed for making an incredibly stupid comment.
>
> Irish Mike

Mike, " *WHOOSH* " is clownspeak for " i am wrong, i am an idiot but i say
*WHOOSH* cuz it
makes me appear intelligent to other clowns


Atheism is drawing dead

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Date: 04 Jan 2009 06:19:00
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:ZPZ7l.9775$W06.7473@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
> "FellKnight" <jordandevenport@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7i5636x1lp.ln2@recgroups.com...

>
> Are you serious? They're already flooding in to America by the tens of
> thousands. But if you're so concerned about their plight, why doesn't
> Canada step up

Heh, figures.


and volunteer to take five or ten million of the illegals
> aready living in the U.S.?


They reserve all of their undocumented slot for the muslim terrorist
trannies.





 
Date: 04 Jan 2009 02:20:02
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Why don't the Egyptians let the innocent civilians out?

"Howard Beale" <a1695@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:141636x19p.ln2@recgroups.com...
> Srsly, I get it but I don't get it. They could at least let out the women
> and children but they don't. I understand they don't want to be
> responsible for the uber-toxic Gaza as a whole but while this mess is
> going on they could at least let the obvious non-combatants (women,
> children, the sick and elderly) over the border. I don't even see this
> suggested on the news, not from the U.N., not from other Arab countries
> that could shelter some of them temporarily as well.
>
> How bad could it possibly be for the Egyptians to let some of these people
> stay for a while with the firm understanding that it's temporary? I'm
> sure that if money were the problem they could raise that internationally
> in short order. And if it's simply that they don't because it makes
> Israel look as bad as possible then 'Shame on you, Egypt.'
>
>
> Howard Beale

Howard, if you let all the muslim women, children and non-combatants leave
Gaza, who would Hamas hide behind?
They know they could never win a stand-up, soldier to soldier fight with the
Israelis. That's why Hamas sets up their rocket launchers in the middle of
civilian neighborhoods and hides their soldiers in hosptials, schools and
churches.

Irish Mike