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Date: 15 Dec 2008 19:56:08
From: Howard Beale
Subject: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
Besides whores themselves. In my business life I would've voted
Appraisers first, Accountants second and Lawyers third. For those of you
who haven't dealt w/ Appraisers just consider yourselves lucky. And if
you're just a working schlub then Accountants and Lawyers aren't that big
a deal. But if you want to 'do' anything it's amazing to witness the
levels to which these people will sink. Watching the financial meltdown
w/ the latest being some guy running a $50 billion ponzi scheme I realize
that I was talking small potatoes. Of course, all three professions
listed above had to be included in the scheme but COME ON! So I've
changed my vote to:

Everybody on Wall Street. All of them.


Howard Beale

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Date: 17 Dec 2008 22:57:15
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?

Proefessional poker p;ayers.


  
Date: 18 Dec 2008 06:52:43
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
On Dec 18 2008 12:57 AM, Pepe Papon wrote:

> Proefessional poker p;ayers.

Professional musicians.

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Date: 18 Dec 2008 14:50:41
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
On Dec 18 2008 9:52 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Dec 18 2008 12:57 AM, Pepe Papon wrote:
>
> > Proefessional poker p;ayers.
>
> Professional musicians.
>
> ---
> Morphy

So *that's* why you are in a band! Hey I noticed your lead singer is
pretty cute.

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Date: 18 Dec 2008 09:47:00
From: Kyle T. Jones
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
XaQ Morphy, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh, 12/18/2008
8:52 AM or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on
Usenet:
> On Dec 18 2008 12:57 AM, Pepe Papon wrote:
>
>> Proefessional poker p;ayers.
>
> Professional musicians.
>

The WNBA and MLS players. Seriously, no entertainment value whatsoever!!!1!

In the case of the WNBA in particular, it's like we created that league
just to show how "fair" and politically correct we can be!

Cheers.


  
Date: 18 Dec 2008 01:39:45
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
I've seen some dumb arguments, but arguing a service industry against a
shirt manufacturer is one of the dumbest.

What Wall Street provides is sound advice for investors. They're
supposed to keep their clients from making mistakes and losing money.
Traditionally, it's the investor who wants to take the big risks and
it's the stock broker who advises conservative investment.

You're going to argue that tax accountants and lawyers don't provide
anything because they don't make shirts, too?

If Wall Street firms haven't been doing what they're supposed to be
doing, why aren't there Democrat held congressional hearings on the
matter? "Funny" the Democrats are so hearing happy, but you don't see
any interest in calling these "Barney Frank buddy" snakes on the
carpet.

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Date: 17 Dec 2008 12:37:08
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
Women's Sumo Wrestling?



On Dec 15, 7:56=EF=BF=BDpm, "Howard Beale" <a1...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> Besides whores themselves. =EF=BF=BDIn my business life I would've voted
> Appraisers first, Accountants second and Lawyers third. =EF=BF=BDFor thos=
e of you
> who haven't dealt w/ Appraisers just consider yourselves lucky. =EF=BF=BD=
And if
> you're just a working schlub then Accountants and Lawyers aren't that big
> a deal. =EF=BF=BDBut if you want to 'do' anything it's amazing to witness=
the
> levels to which these people will sink. =EF=BF=BDWatching the financial m=
eltdown
> w/ the latest being some guy running a $50 billion ponzi scheme I realize
> that I was talking small potatoes. =EF=BF=BDOf course, all three professi=
ons
> listed above had to be included in the scheme but COME ON! =EF=BF=BDSo I'=
ve
> changed my vote to:
>
> Everybody on Wall Street. =EF=BF=BDAll of them.
>
> Howard Beale
>
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=BF=BD
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Date: 17 Dec 2008 13:16:03
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
On Dec 17 2008 3:37 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:

> Women's Sumo Wrestling?

ie:

All women are whores and Russ went with the profession a woman could have
that would yield the biggest ass.

Not only a cheat, but a sexist as well. There is NOWAY you went ALL those
years without getting married.

A good fuck is a good fuck, but when you have love to go with it.... well
nevermind.

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nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
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Date: 17 Dec 2008 13:23:09
From: charrison100
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
>
> A good fuck is a good fuck, but when you have love to go with it.... well
> you have to hope your wife doesn't find out.
>
> ========================================
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> ========
> BOOM byae
> John

IFYP

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Date: 17 Dec 2008 13:56:31
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
> IFYP
>
> Chris

lol

nice.

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Date: 17 Dec 2008 11:28:51
From:
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
> Everybody on Wall Street. =A0All of them.
>
> Howard Beale
>
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Wrong deadly sin. It's not even Greed (although there is plenty of
that). The prevalent cardinal vice on Wall Street is Pride. They all
think that they are the smartest guys in every room and 0.1% of them
are right. When things are ticking up, they are untouchable. When
things go sour - it's somebody else's fault. They get by on bluster
and bravado and create an air of exclusivity where deep down they all
know they are con artists. They constantly invent new jargon to
confuse anyone not spending every waking hour following a graph or
two. They do add value at a rate of x, but they think they add
100000*x. Even Nassim Taleb calls them out in public for being crooks
and he used to work among them -and this was well before the current
crisis.

Croupe


  
Date: 18 Dec 2008 06:56:44
From:
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
On Dec 17, 2:10=A0pm, "mo_charles" <harrybal...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > > Everybody on Wall Street. =A0All of them.
>
> > Wrong deadly sin. =A0It's not even Greed (although there is plenty of
> > that). =A0The prevalent cardinal vice on Wall Street is Pride. =A0They =
all
> > think that they are the smartest guys in every room and 0.1% of them
> > are right. =A0When things are ticking up, they are untouchable. =A0When
> > things go sour - it's somebody else's fault. =A0They get by on bluster
> > and bravado and create an air of exclusivity where deep down they all
> > know they are con artists. =A0They constantly invent new jargon to
> > confuse anyone not spending every waking hour following a graph or
> > two. =A0They do add value at a rate of x, but they think they add
> > 100000*x. =A0Even Nassim Taleb calls them out in public for being crook=
s
> > and he used to work among them -and this was well before the current
> > crisis.
>
> taleb still works among them, that's what's so hilarious about this
> thread. =A0people here talk about wall street and some amorphous "functio=
n"
> like everybody there's caught and begging for help. =A0you don't get anym=
ore
> ignorant than that.
>
> mo_charles
>
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Valid point. My sample size is small, but probably still
statistically significant. I am speaking only of those individuals
who I have had direct contact with. These are primarily buyside
people (a few dozen from business school, a couple hundred in New
York, and another hundred or so who tried to sell me stuff over the
years) and VC finance types (if that counts). I have only met one M/A
guy and he was a total buffoon with his monogramed pocket square and
oversized everything (watch, cuff links, tie knot). I'm sure that
leaves plenty of people who have other functions on the street who
have an opinion of their value and the value of the service they
provide that is in line with reality.

Croupe


  
Date: 17 Dec 2008 12:10:27
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
> > Everybody on Wall Street. All of them.
>
> Wrong deadly sin. It's not even Greed (although there is plenty of
> that). The prevalent cardinal vice on Wall Street is Pride. They all
> think that they are the smartest guys in every room and 0.1% of them
> are right. When things are ticking up, they are untouchable. When
> things go sour - it's somebody else's fault. They get by on bluster
> and bravado and create an air of exclusivity where deep down they all
> know they are con artists. They constantly invent new jargon to
> confuse anyone not spending every waking hour following a graph or
> two. They do add value at a rate of x, but they think they add
> 100000*x. Even Nassim Taleb calls them out in public for being crooks
> and he used to work among them -and this was well before the current
> crisis.

taleb still works among them, that's what's so hilarious about this
thread. people here talk about wall street and some amorphous "function"
like everybody there's caught and begging for help. you don't get anymore
ignorant than that.

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Date: 16 Dec 2008 15:02:20
From: Robert Ladd
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?

"Howard Beale" <a1695@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:oflj16xsg4.ln2@recgroups.com...
> Besides whores themselves. In my business life I would've voted
> Appraisers first, Accountants second and Lawyers third. For those of you
> who haven't dealt w/ Appraisers just consider yourselves lucky. And if
> you're just a working schlub then Accountants and Lawyers aren't that big
> a deal. But if you want to 'do' anything it's amazing to witness the
> levels to which these people will sink. Watching the financial meltdown
> w/ the latest being some guy running a $50 billion ponzi scheme I realize
> that I was talking small potatoes. Of course, all three professions
> listed above had to be included in the scheme but COME ON! So I've
> changed my vote to:
>
> Everybody on Wall Street. All of them.
>
>
> Howard Beale
>

It depends on how you define whore.

Robert Ladd




 
Date: 16 Dec 2008 11:31:50
From: charrison100
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
On Dec 15 2008 10:56 PM, Howard Beale wrote:

> Besides whores themselves. In my business life I would've voted
> Appraisers first, Accountants second and Lawyers third. For those of you
> who haven't dealt w/ Appraisers just consider yourselves lucky. And if
> you're just a working schlub then Accountants and Lawyers aren't that big
> a deal. But if you want to 'do' anything it's amazing to witness the
> levels to which these people will sink. Watching the financial meltdown
> w/ the latest being some guy running a $50 billion ponzi scheme I realize
> that I was talking small potatoes. Of course, all three professions
> listed above had to be included in the scheme but COME ON! So I've
> changed my vote to:
>
> Everybody on Wall Street. All of them.
>
>
> Howard Beale

I am sure Russ would say poker

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Date: 16 Dec 2008 07:51:46
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
> Besides whores themselves. In my business life I would've voted
> Appraisers first, Accountants second and Lawyers third. For those of you
> who haven't dealt w/ Appraisers just consider yourselves lucky. And if
> you're just a working schlub then Accountants and Lawyers aren't that big
> a deal. But if you want to 'do' anything it's amazing to witness the
> levels to which these people will sink. Watching the financial meltdown
> w/ the latest being some guy running a $50 billion ponzi scheme I realize
> that I was talking small potatoes. Of course, all three professions
> listed above had to be included in the scheme but COME ON! So I've
> changed my vote to:
>
> Everybody on Wall Street. All of them.

it's true, there are an awful lot of whores on wall street.

mo_charles

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Date: 16 Dec 2008 02:47:49
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?

"Howard Beale" <a1695@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:oflj16xsg4.ln2@recgroups.com...
> Besides whores themselves. In my business life I would've voted
> Appraisers first, Accountants second and Lawyers third. For those of you
> who haven't dealt w/ Appraisers just consider yourselves lucky. And if
> you're just a working schlub then Accountants and Lawyers aren't that big
> a deal. But if you want to 'do' anything it's amazing to witness the
> levels to which these people will sink. Watching the financial meltdown
> w/ the latest being some guy running a $50 billion ponzi scheme I realize
> that I was talking small potatoes. Of course, all three professions
> listed above had to be included in the scheme but COME ON! So I've
> changed my vote to:
>
> Everybody on Wall Street. All of them.
>
>
> Howard Beale

I'd go with professional racists like Sharpton and Jackson, ACORN arm
twisters & vote riggers and Union thugs & enforcers.

Irish Mike




 
Date: 15 Dec 2008 21:16:51
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
Anyone who works for a living does stuff for money

What's your distinction? Showering before work as opposed to after?

Jim




  
Date: 15 Dec 2008 22:24:27
From: Howard Beale
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
On Dec 15 2008 10:16 PM, Clave wrote:

> Anyone who works for a living does stuff for money
>
> What's your distinction? Showering before work as opposed to after?
>
> Jim


I'll take this opportunity to make my OP a little more concrete:

I said that I considered appraisers to be the biggest whores until this
guy w/ the 50B ponzi scheme opened my eyes. In the midst of this
financial crisis many are blaming the Community Reinvestment Act and they
are certainly blaming 'easy credit mortgages' that the borrowers couldn't
afford to pay back. What I haven't seen mentioned is that every single
mortgage requires an APPRAISAL (yes, I capped it!!!!!) before it can be
issued. Why? So that the bank can justify the loan. See, if the
borrower can't pay back, why, the bank has the asset!!!!!!! How wrong can
the bank go if it has an asset that covers the loan? Look right here! We
have a professional opinion that says that we are protected by an asset
worth at least the amount of the loan!

Hopefully some of the bailout money will go to the prosecutors because
it's going to turn out that the loan brokers had their 'favorite'
appraisers and I hope they all get sent away.

You can take from that what my distinction is: What profession harbors
the most willing to prostitute themselves to make a buck?


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Date: 15 Dec 2008 22:27:09
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
"Howard Beale" <a1695@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:r5uj16x8g5.ln2@recgroups.com...

<... >

> You can take from that what my distinction is: What profession harbors
> the most willing to prostitute themselves to make a buck?

Trying to pin it on a profession is futile.

Regardless of who you point to, what really failed here was unthinking
conservative economic ideology -- absolute, blind adherence to the ideas
that markets are inherently self-correcting, and that government has little
to no regulatory role (in complete, baffling defiance of history).

What people on the right can't wrap their heads around is that what failed
was Reaganomics.

Jim




    
Date: 16 Dec 2008 07:26:30
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
> > You can take from that what my distinction is: What profession harbors
> > the most willing to prostitute themselves to make a buck?
>
> Trying to pin it on a profession is futile.
>
> Regardless of who you point to, what really failed here was unthinking
> conservative economic ideology -- absolute, blind adherence to the ideas
> that markets are inherently self-correcting, and that government has little
> to no regulatory role (in complete, baffling defiance of history).

your beloved government's on the take. what keeps it in business are
fools like you. you think the guys who were bought and sold by the
investment banks will solve your problems? LOL

> What people on the right can't wrap their heads around is that what failed
> was Reaganomics.

the biggest economic boom this country's ever seen began in the late 1940s
early 50s. do you know anything about tax rates and how they've moved
since then?

SD & SU.

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Date: 16 Dec 2008 15:43:15
From: BillB
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?

"mo_charles" <harrybalzer@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:6utk16xu68.ln2@recgroups.com...

> the biggest economic boom this country's ever seen began in the late 1940s
> early 50s. do you know anything about tax rates and how they've moved
> since then?

Yes, the maximum individual marginal income tax rate has dropped
precipitously, as have corporate income taxes as a percent of GDP. What's
your point?




     
Date: 16 Dec 2008 14:58:10
From: Kyle T. Jones
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
mo_charles, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh, 12/16/2008
9:26 AM or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on
Usenet:
>>> You can take from that what my distinction is: What profession harbors
>>> the most willing to prostitute themselves to make a buck?
>> Trying to pin it on a profession is futile.
>>
>> Regardless of who you point to, what really failed here was unthinking
>> conservative economic ideology -- absolute, blind adherence to the ideas
>> that markets are inherently self-correcting, and that government has little
>> to no regulatory role (in complete, baffling defiance of history).
>
> your beloved government's on the take. what keeps it in business are
> fools like you. you think the guys who were bought and sold by the
> investment banks will solve your problems? LOL
>

There are plenty of crooked cops, too. Doesn't mean we should give up
on the whole "policing the population" idea.

IOW, your point is almost certainly valid, but I don't find it to be a
compelling argument against some degree of regulation.

Cheers.


      
Date: 16 Dec 2008 16:00:39
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
> >> Trying to pin it on a profession is futile.
> >>
> >> Regardless of who you point to, what really failed here was unthinking
> >> conservative economic ideology -- absolute, blind adherence to the ideas
> >> that markets are inherently self-correcting, and that government has
little
> >> to no regulatory role (in complete, baffling defiance of history).
> >
> > your beloved government's on the take. what keeps it in business are
> > fools like you. you think the guys who were bought and sold by the
> > investment banks will solve your problems? LOL
>
> There are plenty of crooked cops, too. Doesn't mean we should give up
> on the whole "policing the population" idea.
>
> IOW, your point is almost certainly valid, but I don't find it to be a
> compelling argument against some degree of regulation.

the thread disparages all of wall street. i can more meaningfully
criticize government whores than he can capital market participants. the
fed took interest rates to 1%. the sec eliminated the uptick rule. the
congress eliminated checks on leverage in financial institutions. if we
take speed limits to 90, do we seriously expect people to continue driving
55?

mo_charles

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Date: 15 Dec 2008 21:01:33
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
On Dec 15 2008 9:56 PM, Howard Beale wrote:

MARRIAGE .. and for anyone who thinks it aint a "profession " think again
!!

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Date: 15 Dec 2008 21:12:58
From: Howard Beale
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
On Dec 15 2008 10:01 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> On Dec 15 2008 9:56 PM, Howard Beale wrote:
>
> MARRIAGE ..


hmmmmmmmmmm........


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Date: 15 Dec 2008 21:16:28
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
On Dec 15 2008 11:12 PM, Howard Beale wrote:

> On Dec 15 2008 10:01 PM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > On Dec 15 2008 9:56 PM, Howard Beale wrote:
> >
> > MARRIAGE ..
>
>
> hmmmmmmmmmm........

i KNEW you would get a kick outta that one !!
>
>
> HB


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Date: 15 Dec 2008 22:06:07
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:56:08 -0800, "Howard Beale"
<a1695@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>Besides whores themselves. In my business life I would've voted
>Appraisers first, Accountants second and Lawyers third. For those of you
>who haven't dealt w/ Appraisers just consider yourselves lucky. And if
>you're just a working schlub then Accountants and Lawyers aren't that big
>a deal. But if you want to 'do' anything it's amazing to witness the
>levels to which these people will sink. Watching the financial meltdown
>w/ the latest being some guy running a $50 billion ponzi scheme I realize
>that I was talking small potatoes. Of course, all three professions
>listed above had to be included in the scheme but COME ON! So I've
>changed my vote to:
>
>Everybody on Wall Street. All of them.
>

Just so you remember that a percentage of those Wall Street Whores are
also lawyers.

Has anyone ever seen a Wall Street deal go down without a passel of
lawyers involved?

Not to rain on yer parade or nuthin'


  
Date: 16 Dec 2008 08:29:10
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?

"FL Turbo" <noemail@notime.com > wrote in message
news:0t9ek45035vr3jo5169qb0k8agcp76ciej@4ax.com...

> Just so you remember that a percentage of those Wall Street Whores are
> also lawyers.
>
> Has anyone ever seen a Wall Street deal go down without a passel of
> lawyers involved?
>
> Not to rain on yer parade or nuthin'

Where is the 50 billion? Can that much be socked away in overseas accounts?




   
Date: 16 Dec 2008 07:15:08
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
> > Just so you remember that a percentage of those Wall Street Whores are
> > also lawyers.
> >
> > Has anyone ever seen a Wall Street deal go down without a passel of
> > lawyers involved?
> >
> > Not to rain on yer parade or nuthin'
>
> Where is the 50 billion? Can that much be socked away in overseas accounts?

he didn't sock it away; he lost it on market bets.

mo_charles

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Date: 16 Dec 2008 09:46:14
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?

"mo_charles" <harrybalzer@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:s8tk16xi48.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > Just so you remember that a percentage of those Wall Street Whores are
>> > also lawyers.
>> >
>> > Has anyone ever seen a Wall Street deal go down without a passel of
>> > lawyers involved?
>> >
>> > Not to rain on yer parade or nuthin'
>>
>> Where is the 50 billion? Can that much be socked away in overseas
>> accounts?
>
> he didn't sock it away; he lost it on market bets.
>
> mo_charles

OK thanks. So most of the money is still in play, just not where it
should be.




  
Date: 16 Dec 2008 00:19:52
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?

Howard Beale

"Watching the financial meltdown
w/ the latest being some guy running a $50 billion ponzi scheme I
realize
that I was talking small potatoes. Of course, all three professions
listed above had to be included in the scheme but COME ON! So I've
changed my vote to:

Everybody on Wall Street. All of them.


Howard Beale"

.......................................................................
...............


I was really surprised to see that Mort Zuckerman was among those who
lost millions in that scheme. Mort Zuckerman's a pretty sharp guy to
say the least, and it suggests that the "schemer" was probably
exploiting the trust of those investors/referrals who knew him (the
schemer) personally; i.e., a lot of the investors probably didn't apply
close scrutiny on the process because of the supposed good (former)
reputation of the schemer.

However, Mort Zuckerman is 188th in 2008 on Forbes wealthiest list, so
a few mill is a drop in the bucket.

But, the estimated total in the scheme is 50 billion, and there must be
a lot of investors who really took a bath.

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Date: 16 Dec 2008 07:12:40
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
> "Watching the financial meltdown
> w/ the latest being some guy running a $50 billion ponzi scheme I
> realize
> that I was talking small potatoes. Of course, all three professions
> listed above had to be included in the scheme but COME ON! So I've
> changed my vote to:
>
> Everybody on Wall Street. All of them.
>
> I was really surprised to see that Mort Zuckerman was among those who
> lost millions in that scheme. Mort Zuckerman's a pretty sharp guy to
> say the least, and it suggests that the "schemer" was probably
> exploiting the trust of those investors/referrals who knew him (the
> schemer) personally; i.e., a lot of the investors probably didn't apply
> close scrutiny on the process because of the supposed good (former)
> reputation of the schemer.
>
> However, Mort Zuckerman is 188th in 2008 on Forbes wealthiest list, so
> a few mill is a drop in the bucket.
>
> But, the estimated total in the scheme is 50 billion, and there must be
> a lot of investors who really took a bath.

it was a charitable trust funded by zuckerman and managed by others that
dropped the money with madoff. he said he was pursuing legal action
against the manager as well as against madoff.

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Date: 15 Dec 2008 20:11:19
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
On Dec 15 2008 7:56 PM, Howard Beale wrote:

> Besides whores themselves. In my business life I would've voted
> Appraisers first, Accountants second and Lawyers third. For those of you
> who haven't dealt w/ Appraisers just consider yourselves lucky. And if
> you're just a working schlub then Accountants and Lawyers aren't that big
> a deal. But if you want to 'do' anything it's amazing to witness the
> levels to which these people will sink. Watching the financial meltdown
> w/ the latest being some guy running a $50 billion ponzi scheme I realize
> that I was talking small potatoes. Of course, all three professions
> listed above had to be included in the scheme but COME ON! So I've
> changed my vote to:
>
> Everybody on Wall Street. All of them.
>
>
> Howard Beale

Anybody who's job involves playing with the money that other people earn
by actually doing things is a fucking whore and should be shot.


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Date: 15 Dec 2008 20:40:39
From: DonkeyBanAA
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
so very true


On Dec 15 2008 10:11 PM, brewmaster wrote:

> On Dec 15 2008 7:56 PM, Howard Beale wrote:
>
> > Besides whores themselves. In my business life I would've voted
> > Appraisers first, Accountants second and Lawyers third. For those of you
> > who haven't dealt w/ Appraisers just consider yourselves lucky. And if
> > you're just a working schlub then Accountants and Lawyers aren't that big
> > a deal. But if you want to 'do' anything it's amazing to witness the
> > levels to which these people will sink. Watching the financial meltdown
> > w/ the latest being some guy running a $50 billion ponzi scheme I realize
> > that I was talking small potatoes. Of course, all three professions
> > listed above had to be included in the scheme but COME ON! So I've
> > changed my vote to:
> >
> > Everybody on Wall Street. All of them.
> >
> >
> > Howard Beale
>
> Anybody who's job involves playing with the money that other people earn
> by actually doing things is a fucking whore and should be shot.
>
>
> Brew
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Date: 17 Dec 2008 12:36:22
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
On Dec 15 2008 11:40 PM, DonkeyBanAA wrote:

> so very true

Like YOU know WTF YOU are talking about.

o0o

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Date: 15 Dec 2008 20:17:46
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
"brewmaster" <a163b@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:7cmj16xoo4.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 15 2008 7:56 PM, Howard Beale wrote:
>
>> Besides whores themselves. In my business life I would've voted
>> Appraisers first, Accountants second and Lawyers third. For those of you
>> who haven't dealt w/ Appraisers just consider yourselves lucky. And if
>> you're just a working schlub then Accountants and Lawyers aren't that big
>> a deal. But if you want to 'do' anything it's amazing to witness the
>> levels to which these people will sink. Watching the financial meltdown
>> w/ the latest being some guy running a $50 billion ponzi scheme I realize
>> that I was talking small potatoes. Of course, all three professions
>> listed above had to be included in the scheme but COME ON! So I've
>> changed my vote to:
>>
>> Everybody on Wall Street. All of them.
>>
>>
>> Howard Beale
>
> Anybody who's job involves playing with the money that other people earn
> by actually doing things is a fucking whore and should be shot.

That would include people whose companies you invest in. Care to rephrase?

Jim




   
Date: 15 Dec 2008 20:37:14
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
On Dec 15 2008 8:17 PM, Clave wrote:

> "brewmaster" <a163b@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:7cmj16xoo4.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Dec 15 2008 7:56 PM, Howard Beale wrote:
> >
> >> Besides whores themselves. In my business life I would've voted
> >> Appraisers first, Accountants second and Lawyers third. For those of you
> >> who haven't dealt w/ Appraisers just consider yourselves lucky. And if
> >> you're just a working schlub then Accountants and Lawyers aren't that big
> >> a deal. But if you want to 'do' anything it's amazing to witness the
> >> levels to which these people will sink. Watching the financial meltdown
> >> w/ the latest being some guy running a $50 billion ponzi scheme I realize
> >> that I was talking small potatoes. Of course, all three professions
> >> listed above had to be included in the scheme but COME ON! So I've
> >> changed my vote to:
> >>
> >> Everybody on Wall Street. All of them.
> >>
> >>
> >> Howard Beale
> >
> > Anybody who's job involves playing with the money that other people earn
> > by actually doing things is a fucking whore and should be shot.
>
> That would include people whose companies you invest in. Care to rephrase?

The people who start the companies are different. Some of the people
hired to run the companies are different. The people who simply work for
investment firms are worthless leeches doing a job a monkey could do.
They have these jobs because they are unable to do anything productive.

>
> Jim


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Date: 16 Dec 2008 07:19:53
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
> > That would include people whose companies you invest in. Care to rephrase?
>
> The people who start the companies are different. Some of the people
> hired to run the companies are different. The people who simply work for
> investment firms are worthless leeches doing a job a monkey could do.
> They have these jobs because they are unable to do anything productive.

i worked at a trading firm that was profitable every single month for a
decade. if you have a pet monkey that can replicate that, you should sell
it and retire.

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Date: 16 Dec 2008 11:26:35
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
On Dec 16 2008 10:19 AM, mo_charles wrote:

> > > That would include people whose companies you invest in. Care to
rephrase?
> >
> > The people who start the companies are different. Some of the people
> > hired to run the companies are different. The people who simply work for
> > investment firms are worthless leeches doing a job a monkey could do.
> > They have these jobs because they are unable to do anything productive.
>
> i worked at a trading firm that was profitable every single month for a
> decade. if you have a pet monkey that can replicate that, you should sell
> it and retire.

I think his point was that "profitable" and "worthless leech" are not
mutually exclusive.

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Date: 16 Dec 2008 15:44:14
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
> > i worked at a trading firm that was profitable every single month for a
> > decade. if you have a pet monkey that can replicate that, you should sell
> > it and retire.
>
> I think his point was that "profitable" and "worthless leech" are not
> mutually exclusive.

he said a monkey could do produce the same nothing as any on wall street.
what's a shirt manufacturer doing but taking money, investing, and selling
for more money? guys like brew are just ignorant. it's as simple as that.

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Date: 17 Dec 2008 01:39:02
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
On Dec 16 2008 6:44 PM, mo_charles wrote:

> > > i worked at a trading firm that was profitable every single month for a
> > > decade. if you have a pet monkey that can replicate that, you should
sell
> > > it and retire.

I can't help but laugh at this when reading it again. What are the odds
that this firm was operating cleanly, to turn in 120 consecutive months of
profit? Are you so convinced of the genius of your former co-workers that
you think everything was above board, given the statistical improbability
of that kind of success?

> > I think his point was that "profitable" and "worthless leech" are not
> > mutually exclusive.
>
> he said a monkey could do produce the same nothing as any on wall street.
> what's a shirt manufacturer doing but taking money, investing, and selling
> for more money? guys like brew are just ignorant. it's as simple as that.

You're dead wrong. Jesus, how badly did the UC brainwash you? Profit from
financial mumbo jumbo, in a fiat economy like ours, really isn't worth
anything tangible. It doesn't create anything of any real value, it's just
balance sheet chicanery taking advantage of how money is "created" to
game the system (of course, the system's built to be gamed).

A shirt manufacturer, on the other hand, produces something of worth
shirts. His products have real, tangible, practical value. Wall Street
makes money facilitating transactions, not creating goods. Even when the
banksters call their loans "products," they ain't.

Plainly, this is another cause of the economic crisis investors have
been so enamored with the unsustainable profits generated by Wall Street
that other avenues of investment have been neglected. Let's hope that this
hasn't crippled our farmers and food suppliers/distributors too badly, as
commodities (and the U.S. dollar) seem poised for another nosedive. I've
read several credible stories that question the integrity of our food
supply lines given the condition of the credit markets. 2009/2010 will be
VERY interesting.

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Date: 17 Dec 2008 05:39:33
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
> > > > i worked at a trading firm that was profitable every single month for a
> > > > decade. if you have a pet monkey that can replicate that, you should
sell
> > > > it and retire.
>
> I can't help but laugh at this when reading it again. What are the odds
> that this firm was operating cleanly, to turn in 120 consecutive months of
> profit? Are you so convinced of the genius of your former co-workers that
> you think everything was above board, given the statistical improbability
> of that kind of success?

pretty impressive eh?

> > > I think his point was that "profitable" and "worthless leech" are not
> > > mutually exclusive.
> >
> > he said a monkey could do produce the same nothing as any on wall street.
> > what's a shirt manufacturer doing but taking money, investing, and selling
> > for more money? guys like brew are just ignorant. it's as simple as that.
>
> You're dead wrong. Jesus, how badly did the UC brainwash you? Profit from
> financial mumbo jumbo, in a fiat economy like ours, really isn't worth
> anything tangible. It doesn't create anything of any real value, it's just
> balance sheet chicanery taking advantage of how money is "created" to
> game the system (of course, the system's built to be gamed).

you don't know what you're talking about.

> A shirt manufacturer, on the other hand, produces something of worth
> shirts. His products have real, tangible, practical value. Wall Street
> makes money facilitating transactions, not creating goods. Even when the
> banksters call their loans "products," they ain't.
>
> Plainly, this is another cause of the economic crisis investors have
> been so enamored with the unsustainable profits generated by Wall Street
> that other avenues of investment have been neglected. Let's hope that this
> hasn't crippled our farmers and food suppliers/distributors too badly, as
> commodities (and the U.S. dollar) seem poised for another nosedive. I've
> read several credible stories that question the integrity of our food
> supply lines given the condition of the credit markets. 2009/2010 will be
> VERY interesting.

there were lots who claimed to add value on wall street who were simply
gaming mortgaged backed securities markets or were levered to a bull
market. those are the guys you've HEARD ABOUT, and they represent a small
fraction of the entire profession.

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Date: 17 Dec 2008 12:04:43
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
On Dec 17 2008 8:39 AM, mo_charles wrote:

> > > > > i worked at a trading firm that was profitable every single month
for a
> > > > > decade. if you have a pet monkey that can replicate that, you should
> sell
> > > > > it and retire.
> >
> > I can't help but laugh at this when reading it again. What are the odds
> > that this firm was operating cleanly, to turn in 120 consecutive months of
> > profit? Are you so convinced of the genius of your former co-workers that
> > you think everything was above board, given the statistical improbability
> > of that kind of success?
>
> pretty impressive eh?
>
> > > > I think his point was that "profitable" and "worthless leech" are not
> > > > mutually exclusive.
> > >
> > > he said a monkey could do produce the same nothing as any on wall
street.
> > > what's a shirt manufacturer doing but taking money, investing, and
selling
> > > for more money? guys like brew are just ignorant. it's as simple as
that.
> >
> > You're dead wrong. Jesus, how badly did the UC brainwash you? Profit from
> > financial mumbo jumbo, in a fiat economy like ours, really isn't worth
> > anything tangible. It doesn't create anything of any real value, it's just
> > balance sheet chicanery taking advantage of how money is "created" to
> > game the system (of course, the system's built to be gamed).
>
> you don't know what you're talking about.

Then let's go shuffle us some zeros, make ourselves some real money!

> > A shirt manufacturer, on the other hand, produces something of worth
> > shirts. His products have real, tangible, practical value. Wall Street
> > makes money facilitating transactions, not creating goods. Even when the
> > banksters call their loans "products," they ain't.
> >
> > Plainly, this is another cause of the economic crisis investors have
> > been so enamored with the unsustainable profits generated by Wall Street
> > that other avenues of investment have been neglected. Let's hope that this
> > hasn't crippled our farmers and food suppliers/distributors too badly, as
> > commodities (and the U.S. dollar) seem poised for another nosedive. I've
> > read several credible stories that question the integrity of our food
> > supply lines given the condition of the credit markets. 2009/2010 will be
> > VERY interesting.
>
> there were lots who claimed to add value on wall street who were simply
> gaming mortgaged backed securities markets or were levered to a bull
> market. those are the guys you've HEARD ABOUT, and they represent a small
> fraction of the entire profession.

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Date: 17 Dec 2008 16:56:47
From: Kyle T. Jones
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
ChrisRobin, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh, 12/17/2008
2:04 PM or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on
Usenet:

>
> Point taken.
>

I'd like to press a bit. Setting aside the outright criminals, in the
context of the Right Here And Right Now, what does Wall Street produce
for the rest of us?

I mean, the farmer works his ass off, hopefully makes a buck: but I can
point to what the farmer produced that the rest of us need and use. FOOD.

The argument used to be that the input was cash: innovation ain't cheap,
you need investors. But if they aren't even good for *that*, anymore...
who needs 'em?

Has a relationship that's always had a vaguely parasitic stench jumped
over to being completely, inarguably parasitic?

By the way, twice now mo has answered this by pretending that I'm
claiming these folks don't *do* anything, or that they don't work hard,
or whatever. Is it clear enough that this isn't what I'm saying, here?
What I'm saying is that what they *do* doesn't help anyone but
themselves (today... I don't think this was necessarily the case in the
past).

Cheers.


           
Date: 17 Dec 2008 15:32:13
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
> > Point taken.
>
> I'd like to press a bit. Setting aside the outright criminals, in the
> context of the Right Here And Right Now, what does Wall Street produce
> for the rest of us?
>
> I mean, the farmer works his ass off, hopefully makes a buck: but I can
> point to what the farmer produced that the rest of us need and use. FOOD.
>
> The argument used to be that the input was cash: innovation ain't cheap,
> you need investors. But if they aren't even good for *that*, anymore...
> who needs 'em?
>
> Has a relationship that's always had a vaguely parasitic stench jumped
> over to being completely, inarguably parasitic?
>
> By the way, twice now mo has answered this by pretending that I'm
> claiming these folks don't *do* anything, or that they don't work hard,
> or whatever. Is it clear enough that this isn't what I'm saying, here?
> What I'm saying is that what they *do* doesn't help anyone but
> themselves (today... I don't think this was necessarily the case in the
> past).

your argument's tantamount to: they get paid for nothing. how much would
you pay for nothing?

mo_charles

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Date: 18 Dec 2008 09:23:35
From: Kyle T. Jones
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
mo_charles, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh, 12/17/2008
5:32 PM or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on
Usenet:
>>> Point taken.
>> I'd like to press a bit. Setting aside the outright criminals, in the
>> context of the Right Here And Right Now, what does Wall Street produce
>> for the rest of us?
>>
>> I mean, the farmer works his ass off, hopefully makes a buck: but I can
>> point to what the farmer produced that the rest of us need and use. FOOD.
>>
>> The argument used to be that the input was cash: innovation ain't cheap,
>> you need investors. But if they aren't even good for *that*, anymore...
>> who needs 'em?
>>
>> Has a relationship that's always had a vaguely parasitic stench jumped
>> over to being completely, inarguably parasitic?
>>
>> By the way, twice now mo has answered this by pretending that I'm
>> claiming these folks don't *do* anything, or that they don't work hard,
>> or whatever. Is it clear enough that this isn't what I'm saying, here?
>> What I'm saying is that what they *do* doesn't help anyone but
>> themselves (today... I don't think this was necessarily the case in the
>> past).
>
> your argument's tantamount to: they get paid for nothing. how much would
> you pay for nothing?
>
> mo_charles
>

Well, I don't like to pay anything for nothing. Many times, folks can
be coerced/forced into doing exactly that, though.

Cheers.


       
Date: 16 Dec 2008 15:57:28
From: BillB
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?

"mo_charles" <harrybalzer@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:e3rl16xhfb.ln2@recgroups.com...

> what's a shirt manufacturer doing but taking money, investing, and selling
> for more money?

He is adding value.




        
Date: 16 Dec 2008 16:13:50
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
> > what's a shirt manufacturer doing but taking money, investing, and selling
> > for more money?
>
> He is adding value.

so's a money manager.

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Date: 17 Dec 2008 13:36:33
From: Kyle T. Jones
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
mo_charles, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh, 12/16/2008
6:13 PM or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on
Usenet:
>>> what's a shirt manufacturer doing but taking money, investing, and selling
>>> for more money?
>> He is adding value.
>
> so's a money manager.
>
> mo_charles
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>

In any process of innovation, what role does Wall Street play? What,
exactly, do they bring to the table?

Now, you know I'm an i-dot, so explain slowly. Cuz I always thought
their chief contribution was the investment they made (cash infusions,
ba-bee!). But, wait... now they're taking *my* money, via generous
taxpayer bailouts, and using *that*.

So, basically, isn't it the taxpayers these days that are bankrolling
innovation, rather than the fat cats?

So, again, why do we need Wall Street?

To look at it another way: Wall Street is certainly a profitable
enterprise, you know, for the folks on Wall Street. Does *anyone* else
benefit from their enterprise? To many, the relationship was been
looking increasingly parasitic for years... after these bailouts,
haven't we crossed out the word "increasingly"?

Cheers.


          
Date: 17 Dec 2008 12:07:23
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
> >> He is adding value.
> >
> > so's a money manager.
>
> In any process of innovation, what role does Wall Street play? What,
> exactly, do they bring to the table?
>
> Now, you know I'm an i-dot, so explain slowly. Cuz I always thought
> their chief contribution was the investment they made (cash infusions,
> ba-bee!). But, wait... now they're taking *my* money, via generous
> taxpayer bailouts, and using *that*.
>
> So, basically, isn't it the taxpayers these days that are bankrolling
> innovation, rather than the fat cats?
>
> So, again, why do we need Wall Street?
>
> To look at it another way: Wall Street is certainly a profitable
> enterprise, you know, for the folks on Wall Street. Does *anyone* else
> benefit from their enterprise? To many, the relationship was been
> looking increasingly parasitic for years... after these bailouts,
> haven't we crossed out the word "increasingly"?

wall street's a street in nyc that's lined with magical buildings.
everybody who's lucky enough to work in one of those buildings gets handed
piles of money for doing nothing. maybe we should build more floors on
the tops of those buildings giving "jobs" to more lucky people. we could
cure poverty!

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Date: 17 Dec 2008 16:51:25
From: Kyle T. Jones
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
mo_charles, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh, 12/17/2008
2:07 PM or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on
Usenet:
>>>> He is adding value.
>>> so's a money manager.
>> In any process of innovation, what role does Wall Street play? What,
>> exactly, do they bring to the table?
>>
>> Now, you know I'm an i-dot, so explain slowly. Cuz I always thought
>> their chief contribution was the investment they made (cash infusions,
>> ba-bee!). But, wait... now they're taking *my* money, via generous
>> taxpayer bailouts, and using *that*.
>>
>> So, basically, isn't it the taxpayers these days that are bankrolling
>> innovation, rather than the fat cats?
>>
>> So, again, why do we need Wall Street?
>>
>> To look at it another way: Wall Street is certainly a profitable
>> enterprise, you know, for the folks on Wall Street. Does *anyone* else
>> benefit from their enterprise? To many, the relationship was been
>> looking increasingly parasitic for years... after these bailouts,
>> haven't we crossed out the word "increasingly"?
>
> wall street's a street in nyc that's lined with magical buildings.
> everybody who's lucky enough to work in one of those buildings gets handed
> piles of money for doing nothing. maybe we should build more floors on
> the tops of those buildings giving "jobs" to more lucky people. we could
> cure poverty!
>
> mo_charles
>

Cripes, mo, I'm trying to ask some simple questions to see what you think.

So, in terms of new innovation, what does Wall Street bring to the table?

In terms of benefit, does anyone benefit from what Wall Street does
outside of Wall Street?

Perhaps it's just that you don't understand. The concept of doing
nothing (when you say "gets handed piles of money for doing nothing")
isn't the same as the concept of doing something that benefits someone
other than yourself.

A winning poker player can work very hard, but his play will likely not
benefit anyone other than himself. As pointed out to you, this isn't
the case with a farmer, a factory worker, a cop, the dewd who makes
shirts, etc.

Cheers.


            
Date: 17 Dec 2008 15:30:06
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
> > wall street's a street in nyc that's lined with magical buildings.
> > everybody who's lucky enough to work in one of those buildings gets handed
> > piles of money for doing nothing. maybe we should build more floors on
> > the tops of those buildings giving "jobs" to more lucky people. we could
> > cure poverty!
>
> Cripes, mo, I'm trying to ask some simple questions to see what you think.
>
> So, in terms of new innovation, what does Wall Street bring to the table?
>
> In terms of benefit, does anyone benefit from what Wall Street does
> outside of Wall Street?
>
> Perhaps it's just that you don't understand. The concept of doing
> nothing (when you say "gets handed piles of money for doing nothing")
> isn't the same as the concept of doing something that benefits someone
> other than yourself.
>
> A winning poker player can work very hard, but his play will likely not
> benefit anyone other than himself. As pointed out to you, this isn't
> the case with a farmer, a factory worker, a cop, the dewd who makes
> shirts, etc.

walls street finances businesses, existing enterprises and start-ups in
every industry known to man. more likely than not, your shirt maker ain't
in business without wall street.

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Date: 18 Dec 2008 09:22:33
From: Kyle T. Jones
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
mo_charles, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh, 12/17/2008
5:30 PM or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on
Usenet:
>>> wall street's a street in nyc that's lined with magical buildings.
>>> everybody who's lucky enough to work in one of those buildings gets handed
>>> piles of money for doing nothing. maybe we should build more floors on
>>> the tops of those buildings giving "jobs" to more lucky people. we could
>>> cure poverty!
>> Cripes, mo, I'm trying to ask some simple questions to see what you think.
>>
>> So, in terms of new innovation, what does Wall Street bring to the table?
>>
>> In terms of benefit, does anyone benefit from what Wall Street does
>> outside of Wall Street?
>>
>> Perhaps it's just that you don't understand. The concept of doing
>> nothing (when you say "gets handed piles of money for doing nothing")
>> isn't the same as the concept of doing something that benefits someone
>> other than yourself.
>>
>> A winning poker player can work very hard, but his play will likely not
>> benefit anyone other than himself. As pointed out to you, this isn't
>> the case with a farmer, a factory worker, a cop, the dewd who makes
>> shirts, etc.
>
> walls street finances businesses, existing enterprises and start-ups in
> every industry known to man. more likely than not, your shirt maker ain't
> in business without wall street.
>
> mo_charles
>

Thanks for the straightforward answer, mo.

Cheers.


  
Date: 15 Dec 2008 20:18:27
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Which profession harbors the biggest whores?
On Dec 15 2008 9:11 PM, brewmaster wrote:

> On Dec 15 2008 7:56 PM, Howard Beale wrote:
>
> > Besides whores themselves. In my business life I would've voted
> > Appraisers first, Accountants second and Lawyers third. For those of you
> > who haven't dealt w/ Appraisers just consider yourselves lucky. And if
> > you're just a working schlub then Accountants and Lawyers aren't that big
> > a deal. But if you want to 'do' anything it's amazing to witness the
> > levels to which these people will sink. Watching the financial meltdown
> > w/ the latest being some guy running a $50 billion ponzi scheme I realize
> > that I was talking small potatoes. Of course, all three professions
> > listed above had to be included in the scheme but COME ON! So I've
> > changed my vote to:
> >
> > Everybody on Wall Street. All of them.
> >
> >
> > Howard Beale
>
> Anybody who's job involves playing with the money that other people earn
> by actually doing things is a fucking whore and should be shot.

I take it that you never invest in stocks, mutual funds, options, or
commodities.

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