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Date: 20 Feb 2009 16:41:12
From: bob_a_booie
Subject: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show
Scenario:
2-5 NL Holdem cash game in b&m casino in AC
5 players limp in and I flop top pair on a flop of baby cards and bet
out $25
1 caller
ace on the turn we both check
I check river and villain bets $100
I assume It is 50% he is bluffing based on his agressive play
He likes to go over the top post flop with big bets

I ask him "will you show me if I fold ?" and he said yes
I fold he mucks tehn laughs and says I lied...

I called him low class and later a liar and he called me the MF word
He then made all kind of threats and kept using bad language wich I
returned in kind
leading to both being ejected from casino.

In retrospect I should have walked away from the table instead.
I would never berate a player over bad beats and loose calls
but I really do not like dealing with bad manners and rude people.

Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show
his hand?
I know it is not enforcable by the floor but I do not like a stranger
thinking he can disrepect
fellow players and I probably would have called him a liar if he did
it to another Poker player as well.

I will definately try to avoid such confrontations in the future
unless it involves the fore mentioned villian.


TIA
Bob_a_booie




 
Date: 21 Feb 2009 09:28:52
From: eldo77
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show his hand?
On Feb 20 2009 7:41 PM, bob_a_booie wrote:

> Scenario:
> 2-5 NL Holdem cash game in b&m casino in AC
> 5 players limp in and I flop top pair on a flop of baby cards and bet
> out $25
> 1 caller
> ace on the turn we both check
> I check river and villain bets $100
> I assume It is 50% he is bluffing based on his agressive play
> He likes to go over the top post flop with big bets
>
> I ask him "will you show me if I fold ?" and he said yes
> I fold he mucks tehn laughs and says I lied...
>
> I called him low class and later a liar and he called me the MF word
> He then made all kind of threats and kept using bad language wich I
> returned in kind
> leading to both being ejected from casino.
>
> In retrospect I should have walked away from the table instead.
> I would never berate a player over bad beats and loose calls
> but I really do not like dealing with bad manners and rude people.
>
> Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show
> his hand?
> I know it is not enforcable by the floor but I do not like a stranger
> thinking he can disrepect
> fellow players and I probably would have called him a liar if he did
> it to another Poker player as well.
>
> I will definately try to avoid such confrontations in the future
> unless it involves the fore mentioned villian.

YOU are the villan here. Any cocksucker asking stupid questions like this
in a poker game deserves being lied to.

eldo77

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Date: 21 Feb 2009 16:11:30
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show his hand?

"eldo77" <ab26ec1@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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> On Feb 20 2009 7:41 PM, bob_a_booie wrote:
>
>> Scenario:
>> 2-5 NL Holdem cash game in b&m casino in AC
>> 5 players limp in and I flop top pair on a flop of baby cards and bet
>> out $25
>> 1 caller
>> ace on the turn we both check
>> I check river and villain bets $100
>> I assume It is 50% he is bluffing based on his agressive play
>> He likes to go over the top post flop with big bets
>>
>> I ask him "will you show me if I fold ?" and he said yes
>> I fold he mucks tehn laughs and says I lied...
>>
>> I called him low class and later a liar and he called me the MF word
>> He then made all kind of threats and kept using bad language wich I
>> returned in kind
>> leading to both being ejected from casino.
>>
>> In retrospect I should have walked away from the table instead.
>> I would never berate a player over bad beats and loose calls
>> but I really do not like dealing with bad manners and rude people.
>>
>> Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show
>> his hand?
>> I know it is not enforcable by the floor but I do not like a stranger
>> thinking he can disrepect
>> fellow players and I probably would have called him a liar if he did
>> it to another Poker player as well.
>>
>> I will definately try to avoid such confrontations in the future
>> unless it involves the fore mentioned villian.
>
> YOU are the villan here. Any cocksucker asking stupid questions like this
> in a poker game deserves being lied to.
>
> eldo77
>
Sorry bucko, have to agree with eldo77 on this one - minus the "cocksucker"
comment.

Irish Mike





 
Date: 21 Feb 2009 06:54:14
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show his hand?
On Feb 20 2009 6:41 PM, bob_a_booie wrote:

> Scenario:
> 2-5 NL Holdem cash game in b&m casino in AC
> 5 players limp in and I flop top pair on a flop of baby cards and bet
> out $25
> 1 caller
> ace on the turn we both check
> I check river and villain bets $100
> I assume It is 50% he is bluffing based on his agressive play
> He likes to go over the top post flop with big bets
>
> I ask him "will you show me if I fold ?" and he said yes
> I fold he mucks tehn laughs and says I lied...
>
> I called him low class and later a liar and he called me the MF word
> He then made all kind of threats and kept using bad language wich I
> returned in kind
> leading to both being ejected from casino.
>
> In retrospect I should have walked away from the table instead.
> I would never berate a player over bad beats and loose calls
> but I really do not like dealing with bad manners and rude people.
>
> Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show
> his hand?
> I know it is not enforcable by the floor but I do not like a stranger
> thinking he can disrepect
> fellow players and I probably would have called him a liar if he did
> it to another Poker player as well.
>
> I will definately try to avoid such confrontations in the future
> unless it involves the fore mentioned villian.

If you want a good way to get in to a fight , yet gain the support of
those around you .. get face to face with the guy and have your arms
folded. After a few words , jerk your head back , and scream at the guy
not to spit at you , combine this with unfolding your arms and acting like
you are wiping something off your face. The next word he utters .. CLOCK
HIM , and then make sure your face appears to be wet with some substance.

If anyone mentions the police , just tell them that he was spitting in to
your face .. someone around you will back you up !!

NEVER FAILS !!
>
>
> TIA
> Bob_a_booie


Jason,you,
sir, are much, much stupider than FangBanger.

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Date: 20 Feb 2009 20:00:12
From: Mark B (Diputsur)
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will
On Feb 20, 10:53=A0pm, bob_a_booie <bob_a_bo...@excite.com > wrote:
> D'oh!
> I guess it is unanimous that villian did not violate poker ettiqute
> I was definately wrong to keep bitching about it
> I was being egged on by another player who was ROTFLHAO and I am not
> proud of my actions
> I have been going to casinos on and off for 2 years and never ran into
> this scenario
>
> If I get into a fight on the casino floor what is the policy in AC
> about notifying the Police?

IIRC they call the ambulance first.
You might be interested in the following link:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=3Den&en-US&q=3Dtaj+mahal+stabbed+to+death+p=
oker&btnG=3DSearch

> If there is a fight should I stay in the Casino until I am told to
> leave or head out and hide .

Whatever you do, DON'T GO OUTSIDE WITHOUT SECURITY!!!

> I am definately going to try to control my actions in the future
> but I may still need to get my hands dirty if this villian acts up on
> me

GL


 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 19:53:13
From: bob_a_booie
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will
D'oh!
I guess it is unanimous that villian did not violate poker ettiqute
I was definately wrong to keep bitching about it
I was being egged on by another player who was ROTFLHAO and I am not
proud of my actions
I have been going to casinos on and off for 2 years and never ran into
this scenario

If I get into a fight on the casino floor what is the policy in AC
about notifying the Police?
If there is a fight should I stay in the Casino until I am told to
leave or head out and hide .

I am definately going to try to control my actions in the future
but I may still need to get my hands dirty if this villian acts up on
me



On Feb 20, 7:41=A0pm, bob_a_booie <bob_a_bo...@excite.com > wrote:
> Scenario:
> 2-5 NL Holdem cash game in b&m casino in AC
> 5 players limp in and I flop top pair on =A0a flop of baby cards and bet
> out $25
> 1 caller
> ace on the turn we both check
> I check river and villain bets $100
> I assume It is 50% he is bluffing based on his agressive play
> He likes to go over the top post flop with big bets
>
> I ask him "will you show me if I fold ?" and he said yes
> I fold he mucks =A0tehn laughs and says I lied...
>
> I called him low class and later a liar and he called me =A0the MF word
> He then made all kind of threats and kept using bad language wich I
> returned in kind
> leading to both being ejected from casino.
>
> In retrospect I should have walked away from the table instead.
> I would never berate a player over bad beats and loose calls
> but I really do not like dealing with bad manners and rude people.
>
> Was it acceptable =A0poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show
> his hand?
> I know it is not enforcable by the floor but I do not like a stranger
> thinking he can disrepect
> fellow players and I probably would have called him a liar if he did
> it to another Poker player as well.
>
> I will definately try to avoid such confrontations in the future
> unless it involves the fore mentioned villian.
>
> TIA
> Bob_a_booie



  
Date: 21 Feb 2009 05:09:23
From: Ian Stuart
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show his hand?
On Feb 21 2009 4:53 AM, bob_a_booie wrote:

>
> If I get into a fight on the casino floor what is the policy in AC
> about notifying the Police?
> If there is a fight should I stay in the Casino until I am told to
> leave or head out and hide .
>
> I am definately going to try to control my actions in the future
> but I may still need to get my hands dirty if this villian acts up on
> me
>

Ask your parents to go with you and you should be fine.

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Date: 20 Feb 2009 19:13:04
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will
On Feb 20, 7:41=A0pm, bob_a_booie <bob_a_bo...@excite.com > wrote:
> Scenario:
> 2-5 NL Holdem cash game in b&m casino in AC
> 5 players limp in and I flop top pair on =A0a flop of baby cards and bet
> out $25
> 1 caller
> ace on the turn we both check
> I check river and villain bets $100
> I assume It is 50% he is bluffing based on his agressive play
> He likes to go over the top post flop with big bets
>
> I ask him "will you show me if I fold ?" and he said yes
> I fold he mucks =A0tehn laughs and says I lied...
>
> I called him low class and later a liar and he called me =A0the MF word
> He then made all kind of threats and kept using bad language wich I
> returned in kind
> leading to both being ejected from casino.
>
> In retrospect I should have walked away from the table instead.
> I would never berate a player over bad beats and loose calls
> but I really do not like dealing with bad manners and rude people.
>
> Was it acceptable =A0poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show
> his hand?
> I know it is not enforcable by the floor but I do not like a stranger
> thinking he can disrepect
> fellow players and I probably would have called him a liar if he did
> it to another Poker player as well.
>
> I will definately try to avoid such confrontations in the future
> unless it involves the fore mentioned villian.
>
> TIA
> Bob_a_booie

1: Lying about a poker hand is a sacrament.
2: Asking "will you show" is stupid.

--
Will in New Haven


 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 19:08:16
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show his hand?
On Feb 20 2009 6:41 PM, bob_a_booie wrote:

> Scenario:
> 2-5 NL Holdem cash game in b&m casino in AC
> 5 players limp in and I flop top pair on a flop of baby cards and bet
> out $25
> 1 caller
> ace on the turn we both check
> I check river and villain bets $100
> I assume It is 50% he is bluffing based on his agressive play
> He likes to go over the top post flop with big bets
>
> I ask him "will you show me if I fold ?" and he said yes
> I fold he mucks tehn laughs and says I lied...
>
> I called him low class and later a liar and he called me the MF word
> He then made all kind of threats and kept using bad language wich I
> returned in kind
> leading to both being ejected from casino.
>
> In retrospect I should have walked away from the table instead.
> I would never berate a player over bad beats and loose calls
> but I really do not like dealing with bad manners and rude people.
>
> Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show
> his hand?
> I know it is not enforcable by the floor but I do not like a stranger
> thinking he can disrepect
> fellow players and I probably would have called him a liar if he did
> it to another Poker player as well.
>
> I will definately try to avoid such confrontations in the future
> unless it involves the fore mentioned villian.

Next time you go there ask if they can seat you at the women's table.

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Date: 21 Feb 2009 12:40:26
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show his hand?

"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:0q7476x7r4.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 20 2009 6:41 PM, bob_a_booie wrote:
>
>> Scenario:
>> 2-5 NL Holdem cash game in b&m casino in AC
>> 5 players limp in and I flop top pair on a flop of baby cards and bet
>> out $25
>> 1 caller
>> ace on the turn we both check
>> I check river and villain bets $100
>> I assume It is 50% he is bluffing based on his agressive play
>> He likes to go over the top post flop with big bets
>>
>> I ask him "will you show me if I fold ?" and he said yes
>> I fold he mucks tehn laughs and says I lied...
>>
>> I called him low class and later a liar and he called me the MF word
>> He then made all kind of threats and kept using bad language wich I
>> returned in kind
>> leading to both being ejected from casino.
>>
>> In retrospect I should have walked away from the table instead.
>> I would never berate a player over bad beats and loose calls
>> but I really do not like dealing with bad manners and rude people.
>>
>> Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show
>> his hand?
>> I know it is not enforcable by the floor but I do not like a stranger
>> thinking he can disrepect
>> fellow players and I probably would have called him a liar if he did
>> it to another Poker player as well.
>>
>> I will definately try to avoid such confrontations in the future
>> unless it involves the fore mentioned villian.
>
> Next time you go there ask if they can seat you at the women's table.
>
Morphy, that's a really sexist comment

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>
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Date: 20 Feb 2009 18:07:51
From: Jason Pawloski
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show his hand?
On Feb 20 2009 5:41 PM, bob_a_booie wrote:

> Scenario:
> 2-5 NL Holdem cash game in b&m casino in AC
> 5 players limp in and I flop top pair on a flop of baby cards and bet
> out $25
> 1 caller
> ace on the turn we both check
> I check river and villain bets $100
> I assume It is 50% he is bluffing based on his agressive play
> He likes to go over the top post flop with big bets
>
> I ask him "will you show me if I fold ?" and he said yes
> I fold he mucks tehn laughs and says I lied...
>
> I called him low class and later a liar and he called me the MF word
> He then made all kind of threats and kept using bad language wich I
> returned in kind
> leading to both being ejected from casino.
>
> In retrospect I should have walked away from the table instead.
> I would never berate a player over bad beats and loose calls
> but I really do not like dealing with bad manners and rude people.
>
> Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show
> his hand?
> I know it is not enforcable by the floor but I do not like a stranger
> thinking he can disrepect
> fellow players and I probably would have called him a liar if he did
> it to another Poker player as well.
>
> I will definately try to avoid such confrontations in the future
> unless it involves the fore mentioned villian.
>
>
> TIA
> Bob_a_booie

Assuming you can "beat a bluff" by how you define a bluff, if you thought
he was 50% bluffing than you were getting the pot odds to call anyway. You
should have seen his cards legit.

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Date: 20 Feb 2009 18:47:29
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show his hand?
On Feb 20 2009 8:07 PM, Jason Pawloski wrote:

> On Feb 20 2009 5:41 PM, bob_a_booie wrote:
>
> > Scenario:
> > 2-5 NL Holdem cash game in b&m casino in AC
> > 5 players limp in and I flop top pair on a flop of baby cards and bet
> > out $25
> > 1 caller
> > ace on the turn we both check
> > I check river and villain bets $100
> > I assume It is 50% he is bluffing based on his agressive play
> > He likes to go over the top post flop with big bets
> >
> > I ask him "will you show me if I fold ?" and he said yes
> > I fold he mucks tehn laughs and says I lied...
> >
> > I called him low class and later a liar and he called me the MF word
> > He then made all kind of threats and kept using bad language wich I
> > returned in kind
> > leading to both being ejected from casino.
> >
> > In retrospect I should have walked away from the table instead.
> > I would never berate a player over bad beats and loose calls
> > but I really do not like dealing with bad manners and rude people.
> >
> > Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show
> > his hand?
> > I know it is not enforcable by the floor but I do not like a stranger
> > thinking he can disrepect
> > fellow players and I probably would have called him a liar if he did
> > it to another Poker player as well.
> >
> > I will definately try to avoid such confrontations in the future
> > unless it involves the fore mentioned villian.
> >
> >
> > TIA
> > Bob_a_booie
>
> Assuming you can "beat a bluff" by how you define a bluff, if you thought
> he was 50% bluffing than you were getting the pot odds to call anyway. You
> should have seen his cards legit.

YOU REALLY SHOULD JUST STOP ANSWERING ANY POST THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO
WITH POKER .

Just stay in the kiddie pool and no one gets hurt !!
>
> --
> "Actually, I will read Jason's posts too. He's smart also." - Paul
> Popinjay, 10/21/2007 (http://tinyurl.com/4bggyp)


Jason,you,
sir, are much, much stupider than FangBanger.

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Date: 20 Feb 2009 18:57:09
From: Jason Pawloski
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show his hand?
On Feb 20 2009 7:47 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> On Feb 20 2009 8:07 PM, Jason Pawloski wrote:
>
> > On Feb 20 2009 5:41 PM, bob_a_booie wrote:
> >
> > > Scenario:
> > > 2-5 NL Holdem cash game in b&m casino in AC
> > > 5 players limp in and I flop top pair on a flop of baby cards and bet
> > > out $25
> > > 1 caller
> > > ace on the turn we both check
> > > I check river and villain bets $100
> > > I assume It is 50% he is bluffing based on his agressive play
> > > He likes to go over the top post flop with big bets
> > >
> > > I ask him "will you show me if I fold ?" and he said yes
> > > I fold he mucks tehn laughs and says I lied...
> > >
> > > I called him low class and later a liar and he called me the MF word
> > > He then made all kind of threats and kept using bad language wich I
> > > returned in kind
> > > leading to both being ejected from casino.
> > >
> > > In retrospect I should have walked away from the table instead.
> > > I would never berate a player over bad beats and loose calls
> > > but I really do not like dealing with bad manners and rude people.
> > >
> > > Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show
> > > his hand?
> > > I know it is not enforcable by the floor but I do not like a stranger
> > > thinking he can disrepect
> > > fellow players and I probably would have called him a liar if he did
> > > it to another Poker player as well.
> > >
> > > I will definately try to avoid such confrontations in the future
> > > unless it involves the fore mentioned villian.
> > >
> > >
> > > TIA
> > > Bob_a_booie
> >
> > Assuming you can "beat a bluff" by how you define a bluff, if you thought
> > he was 50% bluffing than you were getting the pot odds to call anyway. You
> > should have seen his cards legit.
>
> YOU REALLY SHOULD JUST STOP ANSWERING ANY POST THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO
> WITH POKER .
>
> Just stay in the kiddie pool and no one gets hurt !!

EXPLAIN PLEASE LOL !!

> >
> > --
> > "Actually, I will read Jason's posts too. He's smart also." - Paul
> > Popinjay, 10/21/2007 (http://tinyurl.com/4bggyp)
>
>
> Jason,you,
> sir, are much, much stupider than FangBanger.


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Date: 20 Feb 2009 17:47:33
From: justbeats
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will
On 21 Feb, 01:42, "Mark B [Diputsur]" <diput...@gmail.com > wrote:
> "justbeats" <steve_be...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2aac7bfe-6efb-4abd-91d3-bdc1835e7a60@f20g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I got hit with that one. Twice. By the same person. In the same game.
> > Second time round though - I asked if he would show, he said yes, I
> > said, ok i fold. He laughed and mucked his cards (again). I pointed
> > out I had the last legal hand...
>
> and he should have raked the pot anyway! =A0Verbal declarations
> made in turn are binding you angle-shooting douche!

...and he got the pot for exactly that reason. But for one precious
second, his face was a real picture ;-)

Thank you for your gracious response.


  
Date: 20 Feb 2009 18:46:06
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show his hand?
On Feb 20 2009 7:47 PM, justbeats wrote:

> On 21 Feb, 01:42, "Mark B [Diputsur]" <diput...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "justbeats" <steve_be...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:2aac7bfe-6efb-4abd-91d3-bdc1835e7a60@f20g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > I got hit with that one. Twice. By the same person. In the same game.
> > > Second time round though - I asked if he would show, he said yes, I
> > > said, ok i fold. He laughed and mucked his cards (again). I pointed
> > > out I had the last legal hand...
> >
> > and he should have raked the pot anyway!  Verbal declarations
> > made in turn are binding you angle-shooting douche!
>
> ....and he got the pot for exactly that reason. But for one precious
> second, his face was a real picture ;-)
>
> Thank you for your gracious response.

ok ..not bad .. excuse my last post .. actually that might be fun to do if
u r planning on folding anyways


Jason,you,
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Date: 20 Feb 2009 17:35:28
From: justbeats
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will
On 21 Feb, 00:41, bob_a_booie <bob_a_bo...@excite.com > wrote:
> Scenario:
> 2-5 NL Holdem cash game in b&m casino in AC
> 5 players limp in and I flop top pair on =A0a flop of baby cards and bet
> out $25
> 1 caller
> ace on the turn we both check
> I check river and villain bets $100
> I assume It is 50% he is bluffing based on his agressive play
> He likes to go over the top post flop with big bets
>
> I ask him "will you show me if I fold ?" and he said yes
> I fold he mucks =A0tehn laughs and says I lied...
>
> I called him low class and later a liar and he called me =A0the MF word
> He then made all kind of threats and kept using bad language wich I
> returned in kind
> leading to both being ejected from casino.
>
> In retrospect I should have walked away from the table instead.
> I would never berate a player over bad beats and loose calls
> but I really do not like dealing with bad manners and rude people.
>
> Was it acceptable =A0poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show
> his hand?
> I know it is not enforcable by the floor but I do not like a stranger
> thinking he can disrepect
> fellow players and I probably would have called him a liar if he did
> it to another Poker player as well.
>
> I will definately try to avoid such confrontations in the future
> unless it involves the fore mentioned villian.
>
> TIA
> Bob_a_booie

I got hit with that one. Twice. By the same person. In the same game.
Second time round though - I asked if he would show, he said yes, I
said, ok i fold. He laughed and mucked his cards (again). I pointed
out I had the last legal hand...



  
Date: 20 Feb 2009 18:44:55
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show his hand?
On Feb 20 2009 7:35 PM, justbeats wrote:

> On 21 Feb, 00:41, bob_a_booie <bob_a_bo...@excite.com> wrote:
> > Scenario:
> > 2-5 NL Holdem cash game in b&m casino in AC
> > 5 players limp in and I flop top pair on  a flop of baby cards and bet
> > out $25
> > 1 caller
> > ace on the turn we both check
> > I check river and villain bets $100
> > I assume It is 50% he is bluffing based on his agressive play
> > He likes to go over the top post flop with big bets
> >
> > I ask him "will you show me if I fold ?" and he said yes
> > I fold he mucks  tehn laughs and says I lied...
> >
> > I called him low class and later a liar and he called me  the MF word
> > He then made all kind of threats and kept using bad language wich I
> > returned in kind
> > leading to both being ejected from casino.
> >
> > In retrospect I should have walked away from the table instead.
> > I would never berate a player over bad beats and loose calls
> > but I really do not like dealing with bad manners and rude people.
> >
> > Was it acceptable  poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show
> > his hand?
> > I know it is not enforcable by the floor but I do not like a stranger
> > thinking he can disrepect
> > fellow players and I probably would have called him a liar if he did
> > it to another Poker player as well.
> >
> > I will definately try to avoid such confrontations in the future
> > unless it involves the fore mentioned villian.
> >
> > TIA
> > Bob_a_booie
>
> I got hit with that one. Twice. By the same person. In the same game.
> Second time round though - I asked if he would show, he said yes, I
> said, ok i fold. He laughed and mucked his cards (again). I pointed
> out I had the last legal hand...

YOU ARE A LIAR .. even in Mississippi , your hand is dead in that verbal
is binding .. Very bad attempt at trying to make us believe that you
ousmarted someone .

Your hand is dead anywhere in the world


Jason,you,
sir, are much, much stupider than FangBanger.

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Date: 20 Feb 2009 20:42:16
From: Mark B [Diputsur]
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show his hand?

"justbeats" <steve_beats@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:2aac7bfe-6efb-4abd-91d3-bdc1835e7a60@f20g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...

> I got hit with that one. Twice. By the same person. In the same game.
> Second time round though - I asked if he would show, he said yes, I
> said, ok i fold. He laughed and mucked his cards (again). I pointed
> out I had the last legal hand...

and he should have raked the pot anyway! Verbal declarations
made in turn are binding you angle-shooting douche!



 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 17:34:05
From: bgadams
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show his hand?
On Feb 20 2009 8:41 PM, bob_a_booie wrote:

> Scenario:
> 2-5 NL Holdem cash game in b&m casino in AC
> 5 players limp in and I flop top pair on a flop of baby cards and bet
> out $25
> 1 caller
> ace on the turn we both check
> I check river and villain bets $100
> I assume It is 50% he is bluffing based on his agressive play
> He likes to go over the top post flop with big bets
>
> I ask him "will you show me if I fold ?" and he said yes
> I fold he mucks tehn laughs and says I lied...
>
> I called him low class and later a liar and he called me the MF word
> He then made all kind of threats and kept using bad language wich I
> returned in kind
> leading to both being ejected from casino.
>
> In retrospect I should have walked away from the table instead.
> I would never berate a player over bad beats and loose calls
> but I really do not like dealing with bad manners and rude people.
>
> Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show
> his hand?
> I know it is not enforcable by the floor but I do not like a stranger
> thinking he can disrepect
> fellow players and I probably would have called him a liar if he did
> it to another Poker player as well.
>
> I will definately try to avoid such confrontations in the future
> unless it involves the fore mentioned villian.
>
>
> TIA
> Bob_a_booie

First of all, it's a stupid question to ask and base your decision on.
Second of all, it's kinda dumb to believe anything a poker player tells
you. He had every right to do what he did.

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Date: 20 Feb 2009 20:12:02
From: Mark B [Diputsur]
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show his hand?

"bob_a_booie" <bob_a_booie@excite.com > wrote in message
news:19c633d8-e462-44fe-bbf8-7746537299a3@v39g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> Scenario:
> 2-5 NL Holdem cash game in b&m casino in AC
> 5 players limp in and I flop top pair on a flop of baby cards and bet
> out $25
> 1 caller
> ace on the turn we both check
> I check river and villain bets $100
> I assume It is 50% he is bluffing based on his agressive play
> He likes to go over the top post flop with big bets
>
> I ask him "will you show me if I fold ?"

Did you fold yours face up so the table could see the shit
hand you wanted to call him with?

> Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that
> he will show his hand?

Yes. But you carrying on like a little bitch after the fact
was way out of line.



 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 17:00:46
From: Jason Pawloski
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show his hand?
On Feb 20 2009 5:41 PM, bob_a_booie wrote:

> Scenario:
> 2-5 NL Holdem cash game in b&m casino in AC
> 5 players limp in and I flop top pair on a flop of baby cards and bet
> out $25
> 1 caller
> ace on the turn we both check
> I check river and villain bets $100
> I assume It is 50% he is bluffing based on his agressive play
> He likes to go over the top post flop with big bets
>
> I ask him "will you show me if I fold ?" and he said yes
> I fold he mucks tehn laughs and says I lied...
>
> I called him low class and later a liar and he called me the MF word
> He then made all kind of threats and kept using bad language wich I
> returned in kind
> leading to both being ejected from casino.
>
> In retrospect I should have walked away from the table instead.
> I would never berate a player over bad beats and loose calls
> but I really do not like dealing with bad manners and rude people.
>
> Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show
> his hand?
> I know it is not enforcable by the floor but I do not like a stranger
> thinking he can disrepect
> fellow players and I probably would have called him a liar if he did
> it to another Poker player as well.
>
> I will definately try to avoid such confrontations in the future
> unless it involves the fore mentioned villian.
>
>
> TIA
> Bob_a_booie

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Date: 20 Feb 2009 16:58:46
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show his hand?
On Feb 20 2009 6:41 PM, bob_a_booie wrote:

> Scenario:
> 2-5 NL Holdem cash game in b&m casino in AC
> 5 players limp in and I flop top pair on a flop of baby cards and bet
> out $25
> 1 caller
> ace on the turn we both check
> I check river and villain bets $100
> I assume It is 50% he is bluffing based on his agressive play
> He likes to go over the top post flop with big bets
>
> I ask him "will you show me if I fold ?" and he said yes
> I fold he mucks tehn laughs and says I lied...
>
> I called him low class and later a liar and he called me the MF word
> He then made all kind of threats and kept using bad language wich I
> returned in kind
> leading to both being ejected from casino.
>
> In retrospect I should have walked away from the table instead.
> I would never berate a player over bad beats and loose calls
> but I really do not like dealing with bad manners and rude people.
>
> Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show
> his hand?
> I know it is not enforcable by the floor but I do not like a stranger
> thinking he can disrepect
> fellow players and I probably would have called him a liar if he did
> it to another Poker player as well.
>
> I will definately try to avoid such confrontations in the future
> unless it involves the fore mentioned villian.
>
>
> TIA
> Bob_a_booie

What he did was completely correct and within the boundaries of decency as
well. When you asked him if he would show , you were trying to garner
information . You created the dialogue and he used it to his advantage .

he outplayed you at your own game . grownups dont ask that question in a
poker game .


Jason,you,
sir, are much, much stupider than FangBanger.

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Date: 21 Feb 2009 00:35:36
From: Arlo-Payne
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show his hand?
I can honestly say I have never asked "will you show if I fold" in my
whole lifetime.
This is crap that started on TV.

Also before the TV crap you never saw people take for ever to decide what
to do on a hand.
I will almost bet Doyle has never taken over a 60 seconds to decide on a
hand in his whole life.


On Feb 20 2009 5:58 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> On Feb 20 2009 6:41 PM, bob_a_booie wrote:
>
> > Scenario:
> > 2-5 NL Holdem cash game in b&m casino in AC
> > 5 players limp in and I flop top pair on a flop of baby cards and bet
> > out $25
> > 1 caller
> > ace on the turn we both check
> > I check river and villain bets $100
> > I assume It is 50% he is bluffing based on his agressive play
> > He likes to go over the top post flop with big bets
> >
> > I ask him "will you show me if I fold ?" and he said yes
> > I fold he mucks tehn laughs and says I lied...
> >
> > I called him low class and later a liar and he called me the MF word
> > He then made all kind of threats and kept using bad language wich I
> > returned in kind
> > leading to both being ejected from casino.
> >
> > In retrospect I should have walked away from the table instead.
> > I would never berate a player over bad beats and loose calls
> > but I really do not like dealing with bad manners and rude people.
> >
> > Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show
> > his hand?
> > I know it is not enforcable by the floor but I do not like a stranger
> > thinking he can disrepect
> > fellow players and I probably would have called him a liar if he did
> > it to another Poker player as well.
> >
> > I will definately try to avoid such confrontations in the future
> > unless it involves the fore mentioned villian.
> >
> >
> > TIA
> > Bob_a_booie
>
> What he did was completely correct and within the boundaries of decency as
> well. When you asked him if he would show , you were trying to garner
> information . You created the dialogue and he used it to his advantage .
>
> he outplayed you at your own game . grownups dont ask that question in a
> poker game .
>
>
> Jason,you,
> sir, are much, much stupider than FangBanger.

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Date: 21 Feb 2009 06:21:38
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show his hand?
On Feb 21 2009 2:35 AM, Arlo-Payne wrote:

> I can honestly say I have never asked "will you show if I fold" in my
> whole lifetime.
> This is crap that started on TV.
>
> Also before the TV crap you never saw people take for ever to decide what
> to do on a hand.
> I will almost bet Doyle has never taken over a 60 seconds to decide on a
> hand in his whole life.
>
WHERE WERE YOU IN MY "NEW STRATEGY" THREAD ? (sorry caps)
>
> On Feb 20 2009 5:58 PM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > On Feb 20 2009 6:41 PM, bob_a_booie wrote:
> >
> > > Scenario:
> > > 2-5 NL Holdem cash game in b&m casino in AC
> > > 5 players limp in and I flop top pair on a flop of baby cards and bet
> > > out $25
> > > 1 caller
> > > ace on the turn we both check
> > > I check river and villain bets $100
> > > I assume It is 50% he is bluffing based on his agressive play
> > > He likes to go over the top post flop with big bets
> > >
> > > I ask him "will you show me if I fold ?" and he said yes
> > > I fold he mucks tehn laughs and says I lied...
> > >
> > > I called him low class and later a liar and he called me the MF word
> > > He then made all kind of threats and kept using bad language wich I
> > > returned in kind
> > > leading to both being ejected from casino.
> > >
> > > In retrospect I should have walked away from the table instead.
> > > I would never berate a player over bad beats and loose calls
> > > but I really do not like dealing with bad manners and rude people.
> > >
> > > Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show
> > > his hand?
> > > I know it is not enforcable by the floor but I do not like a stranger
> > > thinking he can disrepect
> > > fellow players and I probably would have called him a liar if he did
> > > it to another Poker player as well.
> > >
> > > I will definately try to avoid such confrontations in the future
> > > unless it involves the fore mentioned villian.
> > >
> > >
> > > TIA
> > > Bob_a_booie
> >
> > What he did was completely correct and within the boundaries of decency as
> > well. When you asked him if he would show , you were trying to garner
> > information . You created the dialogue and he used it to his advantage .
> >
> > he outplayed you at your own game . grownups dont ask that question in a
> > poker game .
> >
> >
> > Jason,you,
> > sir, are much, much stupider than FangBanger.


Jason,you,
sir, are much, much stupider than FangBanger.

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Date: 20 Feb 2009 19:46:50
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Was it acceptable poker ettiquete for him to lie that he will show his hand?
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:41:12 -0800 (PST), bob_a_booie
<bob_a_booie@excite.com > wrote:

>Scenario:
>2-5 NL Holdem cash game in b&m casino in AC
>5 players limp in and I flop top pair on a flop of baby cards and bet
>out $25
>1 caller
>ace on the turn we both check
>I check river and villain bets $100
>I assume It is 50% he is bluffing based on his agressive play
>He likes to go over the top post flop with big bets

>I ask him "will you show me if I fold ?" and he said yes
>I fold he mucks tehn laughs and says I lied...

>I called him low class and later a liar and he called me the MF word
>He then made all kind of threats and kept using bad language wich I
>returned in kind
>leading to both being ejected from casino.

You were both douchebags, but worse, YOU were a sucker. If he'd done
that to put you on tilt, he'd have been a winner and you'd have been a
loser. As it was, you were both losers.