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Date: 13 Jan 2009 09:34:04
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
I've read quite a lot of material about 9-11. FOX news once reported
about an Israeli spy operation that may have been connected to 9-11.
Most of the news story seems to have been squashed. I've also read
that the airport security company that was contracted for Newark and
Boston airports prior to 9-11 was an Israeli-owned company. Can anyone
confirm this?

Let's face it, 9-11 was great for Israel.




 
Date: 23 Jan 2009 06:38:54
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Jan 22, 11:25=A0pm, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net > wrote:
>
> > As you can see there's no mention of Bin Laden in connection with
> > 9-11. Are you surprised?
>
> That's because he was an unindicted co-conspirator in the first WTC bombi=
ng.
> Dumbfuck.

What the fuck are you talking about? I just read the page again and
see no direct reference to his involvement in 9-11. We have been
hearing for years that Bin Laden was responsible for 9-11 so I'll ask
you again. Why is there no direct reference linking Bin Laden to 9-11
attack?

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

There's no mention whatsoever of 9-11 on the Bin Laden page.



 
Date: 22 Jan 2009 20:16:20
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
Actually, he was on the list for a long time for other terrorist
activity. Take a look at his page on the FBI web site:

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

As you can see there's no mention of Bin Laden in connection with
9-11. Are you surprised?




  
Date: 22 Jan 2009 22:25:04
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?

"Senator Millionaire" <moone99@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:808251d9-b400-4818-a6fd-addb043f25a7@w1g2000prk.googlegroups.com...
> Actually, he was on the list for a long time for other terrorist
> activity. Take a look at his page on the FBI web site:
>
> http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
>
> As you can see there's no mention of Bin Laden in connection with
> 9-11. Are you surprised?



That's because he was an unindicted co-conspirator in the first WTC bombing.
Dumbfuck.




 
Date: 16 Jan 2009 14:01:48
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
Yeah Bin Laden had a lot of coin. His name was NOT listed on the FBI
most wanted web site for YEARS after 9-11. Have you ever wondered why?
Guess what...it's there now!

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm



  
Date: 22 Jan 2009 19:51:45
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:01:48 -0800 (PST), Senator Millionaire
<moone99@gmail.com > wrote:

>Yeah Bin Laden had a lot of coin. His name was NOT listed on the FBI
>most wanted web site for YEARS after 9-11. Have you ever wondered why?
>Guess what...it's there now!
>

No, I've never wondered why.
Come to think of it, I haven't even read the FBI's list lately.

So tell me.
Why wasn't his name on the list?

I can always use a good laugh.

>http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm

BTW
In the book "The Looming Tower" by Lawrence Wright, there is the claim
that when the Sudanese expelled OBL, they confiscated all of his
wealth they could find, and left him with only a few tens of thousands
of dollars (or whatever currency it was.)

In the same book, the author claimed that OBL is only about 6'-0"
rather than the 6'-6" that is typically quoted.

But I digress.

Tell me why he didn't appear on the FBI's list until recently.

I always like to hear a good story.


 
Date: 15 Jan 2009 20:16:57
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
There are several types of evidence. Here's just four types:

https://www.msu.edu/~marianaj/Evidence.htm

Now that you have a basic understanding of evidence collection. Take a
thorough look at the link below. Read and view the videos which can be
seen here:

http://www.infowars.net/articles/april2007/230407vans.htm

We know Israeli's were detained on suspicion and later released. We
can also conclude that the identities of the other group of suspects
was not revealed because they were indeed Israeli. If the suspects
were middle eastern muslims then their identities would have been
front page news. This is simple stuff really....




  
Date: 15 Jan 2009 23:50:38
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:16:57 -0800 (PST), Senator Millionaire
<moone99@gmail.com > wrote:

>There are several types of evidence. Here's just four types:
>
>https://www.msu.edu/~marianaj/Evidence.htm
>
>Now that you have a basic understanding of evidence collection. Take a
>thorough look at the link below. Read and view the videos which can be
>seen here:
>
>http://www.infowars.net/articles/april2007/230407vans.htm
>
>We know Israeli's were detained on suspicion and later released. We
>can also conclude that the identities of the other group of suspects
>was not revealed because they were indeed Israeli. If the suspects
>were middle eastern muslims then their identities would have been
>front page news. This is simple stuff really....
>

"We can also conclude..." ?

You, Steve Watson and Alex Jones' Infowars can "conclude" all you
want.

-------------------------------------------------------------------
officer: [inaudible] I got a message on that uh plane,
it’s a big truck with a mural painted of a of a airplane diving into
New York City
and exploding [inaudible] know what’s in the truck, the truck is in
between 6th and 7th on King Street
officer: [inaudible]
-------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------
The indication is that the suspects ran away when the van was stopped
and were then apprehended following some sort of struggle. It is then
stated that the van has actually exploded.
----------------------------------------------------------

"It is then stated... the van has actually exploded".

So WTF stated that?
(Is that why there aren't any pictures?)

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.
An officer takes a phone call from an anonymous caller talking about a
mural painted on a truck.
I feel sorry for the officer.
He didn't know whether to take it seriously or not, given all the
confusion at the time.

In most normal times, the police can recognize crank callers, but this
was not a normal time.

If there are any pictures of this alleged mural painted on a truck,
Alex Jones needs to put them up, or shut up.
The only thing he can do is run his mouth.

Has anyone asked the Norman Y. Mineta International Institute for
Surface Transportation Policy Studies to see if they have any direct
evidence, or if they are just repeating stories they heard?

You could be a real, live News Breaker if you would follow up that
lead.




   
Date: 16 Jan 2009 09:46:44
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?

"FL Turbo" <noemail@notime.com > wrote in message
news:ar50n4psluvspsbd9kqo5estnh21k9lfhs@4ax.com...


> You could be a real, live News Breaker if you would follow up that
> lead.



It's a troll. Senator Millionaire is Skillz or Doggy or maybe even just
Genarro pranking us trying to sound as much like Chris Robin as possible.




 
Date: 15 Jan 2009 07:18:36
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Jan 15, 1:28=A0am, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net > wrote:
>
> That the government installed demolition charges in the twin towers and N=
o.
> 7 and they were thus brought down via controlled demolition rather than, =
oh
> say, two giant jetliners flying into the buildings and setting everything=
on
> fire. =A0That kooky enough for you?

Keep in mind that much of the evidence is classified so you will have
to draw your own conclusions. Still, there is plenty of evidence which
is public domain connecting Israeli's with explosives. Why are you
denying that there were Israeli's moving explosives around the city on
9-11?

Denying simple facts if kooky!


  
Date: 15 Jan 2009 20:25:53
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?

"Senator Millionaire" <moone99@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:f6da3c85-aeec-4427-affd-e4cfd278d10d@u13g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...

>Still, there is plenty of evidence which is public domain connecting
>Israeli's with explosives.


Hmmm. There is evidence in the public domain connecting Israeli's with
explosives. That is a shocker. Israeli's know how explosives work. Never
would have figured that.


>Why are you denying that there were Israeli's moving explosives around the
>city on
9-11?


Where's the evidence that "Israeli's moving explosives around the city on
9-11" were connected to the destruction of the twin towers? Just your
brilliant powers of deduction? (that's a rhetorical question since your
answer is predictable in the form of standard kook answers which means
further discussion on this is pointless).




 
Date: 14 Jan 2009 17:51:10
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Jan 14, 7:43=A0pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 14 2009 1:04 AM, James L. Hankins wrote:
>
>
>
> > "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:2v8046x7ql.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > > On Jan 13 2009 3:11 PM, thepixelfreak wrote:
>
> > >> On 2009-01-13 09:34:04 -0800, Senator Millionaire <moon...@gmail.com=
>
> > >> said:
>
> > >> > I've read quite a lot of material about 9-11. FOX news once report=
ed
> > >> > about an Israeli spy operation that may have been connected to 9-1=
1.
> > >> > Most of the news story seems to have been squashed. I've also read
> > >> > that the airport security company that was contracted for Newark a=
nd
> > >> > Boston airports prior to 9-11 was an Israeli-owned company. Can an=
yone
> > >> > confirm this?
>
> > >> > Let's face it, 9-11 was great for Israel.
>
> > >> Moving into TIN FOIL HAT territory here.
>
> > > Which is more probable: That 9/11 was carried out by 19 cave-dwelling
> > > terrorists, or by an entity with greater resources and an intelligenc=
e
> > > apparatus, such as a nation-state?
>
> > > I personally don't believe Israel was orchestrated the attacks, but i=
t's
> > > certainly a much more credible suspect than a bunch of random Muslim
> > > fanatics.
>
> > Your characterization is pure bullshit and you know it. =A0Bin Laden is=
a
> > Saudi billionaire, the black sheep from a family of Saudi billionaires.
> > Yes, he chooses austere accomodations and likes the "cave-dweller" imag=
e,
> > but I know that you know Al Quaida is more than some hick "cave-dwellin=
g
> > terrorists."
>
> Of course. Al-Qaeda was created by the CIA to fight the Soviets in
> Afghanistan in the '80s. There's an established and well documented
> connection to the United States intelligence community. They're well
> connected cave-dwellers.

Bullshit. Quada has its roots in Saudi Arabia and ultimately in the
Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt in the Fifties. The CIA did encourage
Afghan resistance to the Soviets, much of it by unsavory characters
but Quaeda was already around, thousands of miles away. After the
resistance had started, bin Laden led his "Afghan Arabs" to join them
but he wasn't involved with the CIA. The Pakistani Intelligence
community created the Taliban, which was mostly too late to fight the
Soviets, after the insurgency against the Soviets was pretty much
succesful.

Do you always say "of course" when you are going to lie through your
fucking teeth.

>
> > Who do you think would have more motive to carry out 9/11: =A0a Preside=
nt of
> > the United States who's father was also President and who is wealthy
> > independent of the Presidency or a billionaire Islamic religious fanati=
c who
> > has years of experience fighting the Soviets in Aghanistan and who has =
over
> > the years used his money, military experience, and influence to form a =
cadre
> > of fanatics like himself who are willing to die for the goals he has se=
t for
> > them?
>
> You do realize that poppa Bush was the head of the CIA, right? And that
> his family has a long history of war profiteering, beginning with
> Prescott's extensive dealings with Nazi Germany?
>
> There's ample motive for Bush's involvement; in fact, there's even
> historical precedent for the Bush family's involvement in "conspiracies"
> (Iran-Contra, BCCI, S&L Scandal). (Although I'd argue that Cheney, not
> Bush, was the ringleader of this one).

Except you have no evidence that "this one" exists.

> > The entire problem with you tin-foil hat folks is that you don't recogn=
ize
> > that *any* event like 9/11 or just about any damn event of any signific=
ance
> > can *always* be spun as having a motive for "the government" to orchest=
rate
> > it. =A0Your default mode is that the government did it. =A0From there i=
t is easy
> > to find a reason why and the government always has the means. =A0Ration=
al
> > people recognize that it's not that simple.
>
> Of course your premise =96 pretending to see inside *our* heads =96 is us=
eless
> in just about every conceivable way, but that said, these kinds of events
> are almost ALWAYS carried out by nation-states. They are quite simply the
> only organizations that have the means to support these types of
> operations. How on earth do you think Muslim terrorists managed to find
> out about the top-secret wargames held on 9/11, and know enough of their
> logistical details to successfully use them to cover for the hijackings?
> You think this is accidental? Coincidental? Jesus, James. For a purported
> lawyer your analytical thinking sucks to high heaven.

Nation-states are among the least capable entities for such
activities.

> As for my supposed circular reasoning: wrong again. I did not arrive at m=
y
> beliefs about 9/11 overnight. I came to my conclusions after about 12
> months spent reading every bit of material I could get my hands on,
> including the official reports by the NIST and FEMA (neither of which com=
e
> sclose to proving that planes brought the towers down without juking thei=
r
> computer simulations, by the way), important sections of the 9/11
> Commission Report, the oft-sourced Popular Mechanics hit piece, and about
> 2,000 pages worth of original research and analysis by Michael Ruppert,
> Prof. David Ray Griffin, Prof. Michael Chossudovsky, Peter Dale Scott, an=
d
> a handful of other authors/journalists.
>
> And you? What actual research have you done that leads you to conclude
> that our government's telling us the truth? Please do share. Although I
> think I already know the answer.

Why would you assume that not believing that you know anything means
that people think the government is telling the truth. "So and so lied
to you,": which is most often true, is a great prelude to all kinds of
bullshit lying by the speaker.

--
Will in New Haven


  
Date: 15 Jan 2009 00:12:50
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?

"Will in New Haven" <bill.reich@taylorandfrancis.com > wrote in message
news:4e59d1ac-9cd8-479f-87bb-65d9c3d77e62@s20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 14, 7:43 pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
>
> > Of course. Al-Qaeda was created by the CIA to fight the Soviets in
>
> Do you always say "of course" when you are going to lie through your
> fucking teeth.

Of course.

>
> > Of course your premise – pretending to see inside *our* heads – is
useless
> > in just about every conceivable way, but that said, these kinds of
events
> > are almost ALWAYS carried out by nation-states. They are quite simply
the

See? Good call.








 
Date: 14 Jan 2009 17:25:05
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Jan 14, 8:08=A0pm, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net > wrote:

> Well, I've read thoroughly every site you've posted here in these 9/11
> threads and all of them reinforce the idea that you're a bunch of kooks w=
ho
> draw conclusions from data that are not supported by the data.

What kind of kooky conclusion is that James?





  
Date: 15 Jan 2009 00:28:28
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?

"Senator Millionaire" <moone99@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:a8b3dbe9-57c7-4184-9a98-6c2ae47c7949@e24g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 14, 8:08 pm, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net > wrote:

> Well, I've read thoroughly every site you've posted here in these 9/11
> threads and all of them reinforce the idea that you're a bunch of kooks
> who
> draw conclusions from data that are not supported by the data.


>What kind of kooky conclusion is that James?



That the government installed demolition charges in the twin towers and No.
7 and they were thus brought down via controlled demolition rather than, oh
say, two giant jetliners flying into the buildings and setting everything on
fire. That kooky enough for you?





   
Date: 15 Jan 2009 02:03:40
From: bub
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:28:28 -0600, "James L. Hankins"
<jhankins5@cox.net > wrote:

>That the government installed demolition charges in the twin towers and No.
>7 and they were thus brought down via controlled demolition rather than, oh
>say, two giant jetliners flying into the buildings and setting everything on
>fire. That kooky enough for you?


uhh james, please do not bring common sense into this.


 
Date: 14 Jan 2009 15:11:15
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Jan 14, 12:09=A0am, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

> The company was called ICTS, if I remember correctly.
>
> If you're really interested in the subject, do some research on this
> company: Stratasec/Securacom. The company, headed by Marvin Bush, provide=
d
> security for the WTC, United Airlines, and Dulles International on 9/11.
>
> > Let's face it, 9-11 was great for Israel.
>
> As it was for the U.S. military industrial complex.

The name of the company was ICTS. Thanks Chris. I couldn't find out
much about the Israeli's that were driving a truck load of explosives.
Do you know what happened to them and if they were charged with
anything?



  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 16:01:05
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Jan 14 2009 6:11 PM, Senator Millionaire wrote:

> On Jan 14, 12:09 am, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> > The company was called ICTS, if I remember correctly.
> >
> > If you're really interested in the subject, do some research on this
> > company: Stratasec/Securacom. The company, headed by Marvin Bush, provided
> > security for the WTC, United Airlines, and Dulles International on 9/11.
> >
> > > Let's face it, 9-11 was great for Israel.
> >
> > As it was for the U.S. military industrial complex.
>
> The name of the company was ICTS. Thanks Chris. I couldn't find out
> much about the Israeli's that were driving a truck load of explosives.
> Do you know what happened to them and if they were charged with
> anything?

You're referring to the "Five Dancing Israelis," I assume? IIRC the owner
of the moving company (Urban Moving Systems) that was their "front" fled
to Israel to avoid prosecution, and I believe the guys who drove the van
were arrested but later shipped back to Israel. I'm not 100% sure of that
though. Google "Five Dancing Israelis" and "Urban Moving Systems" and see
what you come up with.

---- 
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Date: 14 Jan 2009 19:17:37
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:01:05 -0800, "ChrisRobin"
<a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>On Jan 14 2009 6:11 PM, Senator Millionaire wrote:
>
>> On Jan 14, 12:09 am, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > The company was called ICTS, if I remember correctly.
>> >
>> > If you're really interested in the subject, do some research on this
>> > company: Stratasec/Securacom. The company, headed by Marvin Bush, provided
>> > security for the WTC, United Airlines, and Dulles International on 9/11.
>> >
>> > > Let's face it, 9-11 was great for Israel.
>> >
>> > As it was for the U.S. military industrial complex.
>>
>> The name of the company was ICTS. Thanks Chris. I couldn't find out
>> much about the Israeli's that were driving a truck load of explosives.
>> Do you know what happened to them and if they were charged with
>> anything?
>
>You're referring to the "Five Dancing Israelis," I assume? IIRC the owner
>of the moving company (Urban Moving Systems) that was their "front" fled
>to Israel to avoid prosecution, and I believe the guys who drove the van
>were arrested but later shipped back to Israel. I'm not 100% sure of that
>though. Google "Five Dancing Israelis" and "Urban Moving Systems" and see
>what you come up with.
>

Hehehe.

That there's funny.

I think from now on, when you put forth one of your Conspiracy Tales,
I will have to ask you to tell the "Five Dancing Israelis" story
again.


 
Date: 14 Jan 2009 13:59:40
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Jan 13 2009 11:34 AM, Senator Millionaire wrote:

> I've read quite a lot of material about 9-11. FOX news once reported
> about an Israeli spy operation that may have been connected to 9-11.
> Most of the news story seems to have been squashed. I've also read
> that the airport security company that was contracted for Newark and
> Boston airports prior to 9-11 was an Israeli-owned company. Can anyone
> confirm this?
>
> Let's face it, 9-11 was great for Israel.

Yes.. both planes had beards like the ones in Airplane(movie)


Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Voltaire

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Date: 14 Jan 2009 06:34:56
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Jan 14, 1:04=A0am, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net > wrote:
> "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:2v8046x7ql.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 13 2009 3:11 PM, thepixelfreak wrote:
>
> >> On 2009-01-13 09:34:04 -0800, Senator Millionaire <moon...@gmail.com>
> >> said:
>
> >> > I've read quite a lot of material about 9-11. FOX news once reported
> >> > about an Israeli spy operation that may have been connected to 9-11.
> >> > Most of the news story seems to have been squashed. I've also read
> >> > that the airport security company that was contracted for Newark and
> >> > Boston airports prior to 9-11 was an Israeli-owned company. Can anyo=
ne
> >> > confirm this?
>
> >> > Let's face it, 9-11 was great for Israel.
>
> >> Moving into TIN FOIL HAT territory here.
>
> > Which is more probable: That 9/11 was carried out by 19 cave-dwelling
> > terrorists, or by an entity with greater resources and an intelligence
> > apparatus, such as a nation-state?
>
> > I personally don't believe Israel was orchestrated the attacks, but it'=
s
> > certainly a much more credible suspect than a bunch of random Muslim
> > fanatics.
>
> Your characterization is pure bullshit and you know it. =A0Bin Laden is a
> Saudi billionaire, the black sheep from a family of Saudi billionaires.
> Yes, he chooses austere accomodations and likes the "cave-dweller" image,
> but I know that you know Al Quaida is more than some hick "cave-dwelling
> terrorists."
>
> Who do you think would have more motive to carry out 9/11: =A0a President=
of
> the United States who's father was also President and who is wealthy
> independent of the Presidency or a billionaire Islamic religious fanatic =
who
> has years of experience fighting the Soviets in Aghanistan and who has ov=
er
> the years used his money, military experience, and influence to form a ca=
dre
> of fanatics like himself who are willing to die for the goals he has set =
for
> them?
>
> The entire problem with you tin-foil hat folks is that you don't recogniz=
e
> that *any* event like 9/11 or just about any damn event of any significan=
ce
> can *always* be spun as having a motive for "the government" to orchestra=
te
> it. =A0Your default mode is that the government did it. =A0From there it =
is easy
> to find a reason why and the government always has the means. =A0Rational
> people recognize that it's not that simple.

The idea that _this_ administration, which couldn't hit it's ass with
a banjo, could carry out a vast, secret conspiracy is ludicrous. The
idea that any _existing_ vast, secret, succesful conspiracy would
_admit_ this President is insane.

"The evidence is being hidden. Isn't that all the proof you need?"
LofuckingL

--
Will in New Haven


  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 15:49:51
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Jan 14 2009 9:34 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:

> On Jan 14, 1:04 am, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net> wrote:
> > "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> >
> > news:2v8046x7ql.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 13 2009 3:11 PM, thepixelfreak wrote:
> >
> > >> On 2009-01-13 09:34:04 -0800, Senator Millionaire <moon...@gmail.com>
> > >> said:
> >
> > >> > I've read quite a lot of material about 9-11. FOX news once reported
> > >> > about an Israeli spy operation that may have been connected to 9-11.
> > >> > Most of the news story seems to have been squashed. I've also read
> > >> > that the airport security company that was contracted for Newark and
> > >> > Boston airports prior to 9-11 was an Israeli-owned company. Can anyone
> > >> > confirm this?
> >
> > >> > Let's face it, 9-11 was great for Israel.
> >
> > >> Moving into TIN FOIL HAT territory here.
> >
> > > Which is more probable: That 9/11 was carried out by 19 cave-dwelling
> > > terrorists, or by an entity with greater resources and an intelligence
> > > apparatus, such as a nation-state?
> >
> > > I personally don't believe Israel was orchestrated the attacks, but it's
> > > certainly a much more credible suspect than a bunch of random Muslim
> > > fanatics.
> >
> > Your characterization is pure bullshit and you know it. Bin Laden is a
> > Saudi billionaire, the black sheep from a family of Saudi billionaires.
> > Yes, he chooses austere accomodations and likes the "cave-dweller" image,
> > but I know that you know Al Quaida is more than some hick "cave-dwelling
> > terrorists."
> >
> > Who do you think would have more motive to carry out 9/11: a President of
> > the United States who's father was also President and who is wealthy
> > independent of the Presidency or a billionaire Islamic religious fanatic
who
> > has years of experience fighting the Soviets in Aghanistan and who has over
> > the years used his money, military experience, and influence to form a
cadre
> > of fanatics like himself who are willing to die for the goals he has set
for
> > them?
> >
> > The entire problem with you tin-foil hat folks is that you don't recognize
> > that *any* event like 9/11 or just about any damn event of any significance
> > can *always* be spun as having a motive for "the government" to orchestrate
> > it. Your default mode is that the government did it. From there it is
easy
> > to find a reason why and the government always has the means. Rational
> > people recognize that it's not that simple.
>
> The idea that _this_ administration, which couldn't hit it's ass with
> a banjo, could carry out a vast, secret conspiracy is ludicrous. The
> idea that any _existing_ vast, secret, succesful conspiracy would
> _admit_ this President is insane.

The Bush administration is far from incompetent, in fact I'd argue that
they've been hugely "successful," at least by their own metrics. They've
managed to accomplish just about everything on their agenda, with the
exception perhaps of privatizing social security (can you imagine what a
mess THAT would have been, given the current economic climate)? They are
very, very good at managing perceptions.

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Date: 16 Jan 2009 10:20:26
From: thepixelfreak
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On 2009-01-14 15:49:51 -0800, "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > said:

> The Bush administration is far from incompetent, in fact I'd argue that
> they've been hugely "successful," at least by their own metrics. They've
> managed to accomplish just about everything on their agenda

Yea, ruin the country. Take your head out of the sand.
--

thepixelfreak



    
Date: 16 Jan 2009 16:34:39
From: Kyle T. Jones
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
thepixelfreak, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh, 1/16/2009
12:20 PM or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on
Usenet:
> On 2009-01-14 15:49:51 -0800, "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> said:
>
>> The Bush administration is far from incompetent, in fact I'd argue that
>> they've been hugely "successful," at least by their own metrics. They've
>> managed to accomplish just about everything on their agenda
>
> Yea, ruin the country. Take your head out of the sand.

Uhh, dewd, that was his point (more or less). Maybe replace "ruin the
country" with "use Constitution as toilet paper (check), loot treasury
(check), etc" or something more colorful. He's a colorful dewd. I
think he's in advertising.

Cheers.


 
Date: 13 Jan 2009 21:09:46
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Jan 13 2009 12:34 PM, Senator Millionaire wrote:

> I've read quite a lot of material about 9-11. FOX news once reported
> about an Israeli spy operation that may have been connected to 9-11.
> Most of the news story seems to have been squashed.

This story was reported shortly after 9/11 but it was largely scrubbed
from the Internet. I've read a ton of non-MSM reporting re: 9/11 and I've
never seen anything really credible about Israel being involved. Sounds
like disinfo.

> I've also read that the airport security company that was contracted for
Newark and
> Boston airports prior to 9-11 was an Israeli-owned company. Can anyone
> confirm this?

The company was called ICTS, if I remember correctly.

If you're really interested in the subject, do some research on this
company: Stratasec/Securacom. The company, headed by Marvin Bush, provided
security for the WTC, United Airlines, and Dulles International on 9/11.

> Let's face it, 9-11 was great for Israel.

As it was for the U.S. military industrial complex.

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Date: 13 Jan 2009 23:29:15
From: bub
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:09:46 -0800, "ChrisRobin"
<a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>The company, headed by Marvin Bush, provided
>security for the WTC, United Airlines, and Dulles International on 9/11.

"From 1993 until June 2000, he was the head of the board of directors
of the Sterling, Virginia company Stratesec (formerly known as
Securacom), which listed among its clients Washington Dulles
International Airport, Hewlett-Packard, EDS, United Airlines,
Gillette, MCI, the World Trade Center, and other facilities including
hospitals, prisons, corporations, utilities, universities. "

head of the board of directors until 6/2000.

"Securacom received a contract to provide (electronic) security
services for the World Trade Center in 1996. The contract was ended in
1998, however"

1998


   
Date: 13 Jan 2009 22:09:43
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Jan 14 2009 12:29 AM, bub wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:09:46 -0800, "ChrisRobin"
> <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> >The company, headed by Marvin Bush, provided
> >security for the WTC, United Airlines, and Dulles International on 9/11.
>
> "From 1993 until June 2000, he was the head of the board of directors
> of the Sterling, Virginia company Stratesec (formerly known as
> Securacom), which listed among its clients Washington Dulles
> International Airport, Hewlett-Packard, EDS, United Airlines,
> Gillette, MCI, the World Trade Center, and other facilities including
> hospitals, prisons, corporations, utilities, universities. "
>
> head of the board of directors until 6/2000.

You do realize the difference between serving on the board and heading the
board, yes?

> "Securacom received a contract to provide (electronic) security
> services for the World Trade Center in 1996. The contract was ended in
> 1998, however"
>
> 1998

No, their contract with DULLES ended in 1998. Much of their work after
that remains unreported on because the records are not public. But
Securacom's CEO himself confirmed that the company did indeed provided
security for the WTC "up until the day the towers fell" (paraphrasing).

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm

I'd imagine this little white lie is why your refused to cite your source.

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Date: 14 Jan 2009 01:55:13
From: bub
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:09:43 -0800, "ChrisRobin"
<a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>You do realize the difference between serving on the board and heading the
>board, yes?

til 6/2000... you realize you said "The company, headed by Marvin
Bush, provided security for the WTC, United Airlines, and Dulles
International on 9/11." which was in 2001?


>No, their contract with DULLES ended in 1998. Much of their work after
>that remains unreported on because the records are not public

ohhh a secret conspiracy, reported only available to super secret
websites that chrissy knows..if only the regular news people knew
this...oh, that's right you explained that the msm is under control of
the arms companies, another conspiracy.

>. But
>Securacom's CEO himself confirmed that the company did indeed provided
>security for the WTC "up until the day the towers fell" (paraphrasing).
and your source other than bushkilledamericansand droppedthetowersand
only douchebagsnamedchrissyknows.com?

>http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm
>
>I'd imagine this little white lie is why your refused to cite your source

commondreams? give me afuckin break

i did a 10second goggle search and found this on wikipedia, to name
one





     
Date: 14 Jan 2009 08:21:02
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?

"bub" <bub@plotuss.com > wrote in message
news:2r5rm4da7u2ekttihjqfl9kmn2v4obdsvd@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:09:43 -0800, "ChrisRobin"
> <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
>>You do realize the difference between serving on the board and heading the
>>board, yes?
>
> til 6/2000... you realize you said "The company, headed by Marvin
> Bush, provided security for the WTC, United Airlines, and Dulles
> International on 9/11." which was in 2001?
>
>
>>No, their contract with DULLES ended in 1998. Much of their work after
>>that remains unreported on because the records are not public
>
> ohhh a secret conspiracy, reported only available to super secret
> websites that chrissy knows..if only the regular news people knew
> this...oh, that's right you explained that the msm is under control of
> the arms companies, another conspiracy.
>
>>. But
>>Securacom's CEO himself confirmed that the company did indeed provided
>>security for the WTC "up until the day the towers fell" (paraphrasing).
> and your source other than bushkilledamericansand droppedthetowersand
> only douchebagsnamedchrissyknows.com?
>
>>http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm
>>
>>I'd imagine this little white lie is why your refused to cite your source
>
> commondreams? give me afuckin break
>
> i did a 10second goggle search and found this on wikipedia, to name
> one

Now don't be too hard on ol' Chris Robin. The boy just ain't been the same
since he reported seein' that flyin' saucer land in his trailer park.

Irish Mike




 
Date: 13 Jan 2009 18:00:26
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
Hell, only a moron would believe FDR didn't know the Japanese were
going to attack Pearl Harbor. FDR wanted the USA in WW11, but the
public was against it, until the attack on Pearl Harbor. It's just a
coincidence no aircraft carriers were at Pearl Harbor at the time. Our
intelligence was far ahead of the Japanese, as we demonstrated at
Midway.





On Jan 13, 10:53=EF=BF=BDam, "Kingo Gondo" <kingo_nospam_go...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> "Senator Millionaire" <moon...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0bcb97d5-94a8-4d49-891a-90beb80e3f20@s20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I've read quite a lot of material about 9-11. FOX news once reported
> > about an Israeli spy operation that may have been connected to 9-11.
> > Most of the news story seems to have been squashed. I've also read
> > that the airport security company that was contracted for Newark and
> > Boston airports prior to 9-11 was an Israeli-owned company. Can anyone
> > confirm this?
>
> > Let's face it, 9-11 was great for Israel.
>
> Pearl Harbor was great for Britain and Russia, and there were similar
> allegations made there (essentially that the British and/or Russians knew=
it
> was coming and failed to warn the US). Of course the same accusations wer=
e
> made directly at FDR.
>
> The burden of proof is on you, my man. In 7+ years I have not seen it met=
,
> not even close.



 
Date: 13 Jan 2009 12:11:22
From: thepixelfreak
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On 2009-01-13 09:34:04 -0800, Senator Millionaire <moone99@gmail.com > said:

> I've read quite a lot of material about 9-11. FOX news once reported
> about an Israeli spy operation that may have been connected to 9-11.
> Most of the news story seems to have been squashed. I've also read
> that the airport security company that was contracted for Newark and
> Boston airports prior to 9-11 was an Israeli-owned company. Can anyone
> confirm this?
>
> Let's face it, 9-11 was great for Israel.

Moving into TIN FOIL HAT territory here.

--

thepixelfreak



  
Date: 13 Jan 2009 21:14:42
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Jan 13 2009 3:11 PM, thepixelfreak wrote:

> On 2009-01-13 09:34:04 -0800, Senator Millionaire <moone99@gmail.com> said:
>
> > I've read quite a lot of material about 9-11. FOX news once reported
> > about an Israeli spy operation that may have been connected to 9-11.
> > Most of the news story seems to have been squashed. I've also read
> > that the airport security company that was contracted for Newark and
> > Boston airports prior to 9-11 was an Israeli-owned company. Can anyone
> > confirm this?
> >
> > Let's face it, 9-11 was great for Israel.
>
> Moving into TIN FOIL HAT territory here.

Which is more probable: That 9/11 was carried out by 19 cave-dwelling
terrorists, or by an entity with greater resources and an intelligence
apparatus, such as a nation-state?

I personally don't believe Israel was orchestrated the attacks, but it's
certainly a much more credible suspect than a bunch of random Muslim
fanatics.

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Date: 16 Jan 2009 10:18:49
From: thepixelfreak
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On 2009-01-13 21:14:42 -0800, "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > said:

> Which is more probable: That 9/11 was carried out by 19 cave-dwelling
> terrorists, or by an entity with greater resources and an intelligence
> apparatus, such as a nation-state?

I seem to recall that Bin fucking Laden has/had millions of dollars.
You can fund plenty of shit with that sort of change.
--

thepixelfreak



    
Date: 16 Jan 2009 14:02:03
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:18:49 -0800, thepixelfreak <not@dot.com > wrote:

>On 2009-01-13 21:14:42 -0800, "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> said:
>
>> Which is more probable: That 9/11 was carried out by 19 cave-dwelling
>> terrorists, or by an entity with greater resources and an intelligence
>> apparatus, such as a nation-state?
>
>I seem to recall that Bin fucking Laden has/had millions of dollars.
>You can fund plenty of shit with that sort of change.


   
Date: 14 Jan 2009 00:04:41
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?

"ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:2v8046x7ql.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 13 2009 3:11 PM, thepixelfreak wrote:
>
>> On 2009-01-13 09:34:04 -0800, Senator Millionaire <moone99@gmail.com>
>> said:
>>
>> > I've read quite a lot of material about 9-11. FOX news once reported
>> > about an Israeli spy operation that may have been connected to 9-11.
>> > Most of the news story seems to have been squashed. I've also read
>> > that the airport security company that was contracted for Newark and
>> > Boston airports prior to 9-11 was an Israeli-owned company. Can anyone
>> > confirm this?
>> >
>> > Let's face it, 9-11 was great for Israel.
>>
>> Moving into TIN FOIL HAT territory here.
>
> Which is more probable: That 9/11 was carried out by 19 cave-dwelling
> terrorists, or by an entity with greater resources and an intelligence
> apparatus, such as a nation-state?
>
> I personally don't believe Israel was orchestrated the attacks, but it's
> certainly a much more credible suspect than a bunch of random Muslim
> fanatics.



Your characterization is pure bullshit and you know it. Bin Laden is a
Saudi billionaire, the black sheep from a family of Saudi billionaires.
Yes, he chooses austere accomodations and likes the "cave-dweller" image,
but I know that you know Al Quaida is more than some hick "cave-dwelling
terrorists."

Who do you think would have more motive to carry out 9/11: a President of
the United States who's father was also President and who is wealthy
independent of the Presidency or a billionaire Islamic religious fanatic who
has years of experience fighting the Soviets in Aghanistan and who has over
the years used his money, military experience, and influence to form a cadre
of fanatics like himself who are willing to die for the goals he has set for
them?

The entire problem with you tin-foil hat folks is that you don't recognize
that *any* event like 9/11 or just about any damn event of any significance
can *always* be spun as having a motive for "the government" to orchestrate
it. Your default mode is that the government did it. From there it is easy
to find a reason why and the government always has the means. Rational
people recognize that it's not that simple.




    
Date: 14 Jan 2009 16:43:10
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Jan 14 2009 1:04 AM, James L. Hankins wrote:

> "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:2v8046x7ql.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Jan 13 2009 3:11 PM, thepixelfreak wrote:
> >
> >> On 2009-01-13 09:34:04 -0800, Senator Millionaire <moone99@gmail.com>
> >> said:
> >>
> >> > I've read quite a lot of material about 9-11. FOX news once reported
> >> > about an Israeli spy operation that may have been connected to 9-11.
> >> > Most of the news story seems to have been squashed. I've also read
> >> > that the airport security company that was contracted for Newark and
> >> > Boston airports prior to 9-11 was an Israeli-owned company. Can anyone
> >> > confirm this?
> >> >
> >> > Let's face it, 9-11 was great for Israel.
> >>
> >> Moving into TIN FOIL HAT territory here.
> >
> > Which is more probable: That 9/11 was carried out by 19 cave-dwelling
> > terrorists, or by an entity with greater resources and an intelligence
> > apparatus, such as a nation-state?
> >
> > I personally don't believe Israel was orchestrated the attacks, but it's
> > certainly a much more credible suspect than a bunch of random Muslim
> > fanatics.
>
>
>
> Your characterization is pure bullshit and you know it. Bin Laden is a
> Saudi billionaire, the black sheep from a family of Saudi billionaires.
> Yes, he chooses austere accomodations and likes the "cave-dweller" image,
> but I know that you know Al Quaida is more than some hick "cave-dwelling
> terrorists."

Of course. Al-Qaeda was created by the CIA to fight the Soviets in
Afghanistan in the '80s. There's an established and well documented
connection to the United States intelligence community. They're well
connected cave-dwellers.

> Who do you think would have more motive to carry out 9/11: a President of
> the United States who's father was also President and who is wealthy
> independent of the Presidency or a billionaire Islamic religious fanatic who
> has years of experience fighting the Soviets in Aghanistan and who has over
> the years used his money, military experience, and influence to form a cadre
> of fanatics like himself who are willing to die for the goals he has set for
> them?

You do realize that poppa Bush was the head of the CIA, right? And that
his family has a long history of war profiteering, beginning with
Prescott's extensive dealings with Nazi Germany?

There's ample motive for Bush's involvement; in fact, there's even
historical precedent for the Bush family's involvement in "conspiracies"
(Iran-Contra, BCCI, S&L Scandal). (Although I'd argue that Cheney, not
Bush, was the ringleader of this one).

> The entire problem with you tin-foil hat folks is that you don't recognize
> that *any* event like 9/11 or just about any damn event of any significance
> can *always* be spun as having a motive for "the government" to orchestrate
> it. Your default mode is that the government did it. From there it is easy
> to find a reason why and the government always has the means. Rational
> people recognize that it's not that simple.

Of course your premise – pretending to see inside *our* heads – is useless
in just about every conceivable way, but that said, these kinds of events
are almost ALWAYS carried out by nation-states. They are quite simply the
only organizations that have the means to support these types of
operations. How on earth do you think Muslim terrorists managed to find
out about the top-secret wargames held on 9/11, and know enough of their
logistical details to successfully use them to cover for the hijackings?
You think this is accidental? Coincidental? Jesus, James. For a purported
lawyer your analytical thinking sucks to high heaven.

As for my supposed circular reasoning: wrong again. I did not arrive at my
beliefs about 9/11 overnight. I came to my conclusions after about 12
months spent reading every bit of material I could get my hands on,
including the official reports by the NIST and FEMA (neither of which come
sclose to proving that planes brought the towers down without juking their
computer simulations, by the way), important sections of the 9/11
Commission Report, the oft-sourced Popular Mechanics hit piece, and about
2,000 pages worth of original research and analysis by Michael Ruppert,
Prof. David Ray Griffin, Prof. Michael Chossudovsky, Peter Dale Scott, and
a handful of other authors/journalists.

And you? What actual research have you done that leads you to conclude
that our government's telling us the truth? Please do share. Although I
think I already know the answer.

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Date: 14 Jan 2009 19:48:10
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:43:10 -0800, "ChrisRobin"
<a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>On Jan 14 2009 1:04 AM, James L. Hankins wrote:
>
>> "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:2v8046x7ql.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > On Jan 13 2009 3:11 PM, thepixelfreak wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2009-01-13 09:34:04 -0800, Senator Millionaire <moone99@gmail.com>
>> >> said:
>> >>
>> >> > I've read quite a lot of material about 9-11. FOX news once reported
>> >> > about an Israeli spy operation that may have been connected to 9-11.
>> >> > Most of the news story seems to have been squashed. I've also read
>> >> > that the airport security company that was contracted for Newark and
>> >> > Boston airports prior to 9-11 was an Israeli-owned company. Can anyone
>> >> > confirm this?
>> >> >
>> >> > Let's face it, 9-11 was great for Israel.
>> >>
>> >> Moving into TIN FOIL HAT territory here.
>> >
>> > Which is more probable: That 9/11 was carried out by 19 cave-dwelling
>> > terrorists, or by an entity with greater resources and an intelligence
>> > apparatus, such as a nation-state?
>> >
>> > I personally don't believe Israel was orchestrated the attacks, but it's
>> > certainly a much more credible suspect than a bunch of random Muslim
>> > fanatics.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your characterization is pure bullshit and you know it. Bin Laden is a
>> Saudi billionaire, the black sheep from a family of Saudi billionaires.
>> Yes, he chooses austere accomodations and likes the "cave-dweller" image,
>> but I know that you know Al Quaida is more than some hick "cave-dwelling
>> terrorists."
>
>Of course. Al-Qaeda was created by the CIA to fight the Soviets in
>Afghanistan in the '80s. There's an established and well documented
>connection to the United States intelligence community. They're well
>connected cave-dwellers.
>
>> Who do you think would have more motive to carry out 9/11: a President of
>> the United States who's father was also President and who is wealthy
>> independent of the Presidency or a billionaire Islamic religious fanatic who
>> has years of experience fighting the Soviets in Aghanistan and who has over
>> the years used his money, military experience, and influence to form a cadre
>> of fanatics like himself who are willing to die for the goals he has set for
>> them?
>
>You do realize that poppa Bush was the head of the CIA, right? And that
>his family has a long history of war profiteering, beginning with
>Prescott's extensive dealings with Nazi Germany?
>
>There's ample motive for Bush's involvement; in fact, there's even
>historical precedent for the Bush family's involvement in "conspiracies"
>(Iran-Contra, BCCI, S&L Scandal). (Although I'd argue that Cheney, not
>Bush, was the ringleader of this one).
>
>> The entire problem with you tin-foil hat folks is that you don't recognize
>> that *any* event like 9/11 or just about any damn event of any significance
>> can *always* be spun as having a motive for "the government" to orchestrate
>> it. Your default mode is that the government did it. From there it is easy
>> to find a reason why and the government always has the means. Rational
>> people recognize that it's not that simple.
>
>Of course your premise – pretending to see inside *our* heads – is useless
>in just about every conceivable way, but that said, these kinds of events
>are almost ALWAYS carried out by nation-states. They are quite simply the
>only organizations that have the means to support these types of
>operations. How on earth do you think Muslim terrorists managed to find
>out about the top-secret wargames held on 9/11, and know enough of their
>logistical details to successfully use them to cover for the hijackings?
>You think this is accidental? Coincidental? Jesus, James. For a purported
>lawyer your analytical thinking sucks to high heaven.
>

What "top-secret wargames" were held on 9/11?
Tell me more.

>As for my supposed circular reasoning: wrong again. I did not arrive at my
>beliefs about 9/11 overnight. I came to my conclusions after about 12
>months spent reading every bit of material I could get my hands on,
>including the official reports by the NIST and FEMA (neither of which come
>sclose to proving that planes brought the towers down without juking their
>computer simulations, by the way), important sections of the 9/11
>Commission Report, the oft-sourced Popular Mechanics hit piece, and about
>2,000 pages worth of original research and analysis by Michael Ruppert,
>Prof. David Ray Griffin, Prof. Michael Chossudovsky, Peter Dale Scott, and
>a handful of other authors/journalists.
>

Um, what is this "juking their computer simulations" thing?
I have not heard that before.
(But I digress.)

Well, there is your problem right there.

You spent all that time reading in the Moonbat Conspiracy Caves,
drinking the Special Moonbat KoolAid.

>And you? What actual research have you done that leads you to conclude
>that our government's telling us the truth? Please do share. Although I
>think I already know the answer.
>

Well, you do have a point there.

Popinjay has always said that James is quite naive.


     
Date: 14 Jan 2009 19:08:49
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?

"ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:udd246xjpt.ln2@recgroups.com...


> Of course your premise - pretending to see inside *our* heads - is useless
> in just about every conceivable way, but that said, these kinds of events
> are almost ALWAYS carried out by nation-states. They are quite simply the
> only organizations that have the means to support these types of
> operations. How on earth do you think Muslim terrorists managed to find
> out about the top-secret wargames held on 9/11, and know enough of their
> logistical details to successfully use them to cover for the hijackings?
> You think this is accidental? Coincidental? Jesus, James. For a purported
> lawyer your analytical thinking sucks to high heaven.


You are not engaging in analytical thinking; you're taking different bits of
factual data and drawing speculative conclusions, conclusions not supported
by the facts.



> As for my supposed circular reasoning: wrong again. I did not arrive at my
> beliefs about 9/11 overnight. I came to my conclusions after about 12
> months spent reading every bit of material I could get my hands on,
> including the official reports by the NIST and FEMA (neither of which come
> sclose to proving that planes brought the towers down without juking their
> computer simulations, by the way), important sections of the 9/11
> Commission Report, the oft-sourced Popular Mechanics hit piece, and about
> 2,000 pages worth of original research and analysis by Michael Ruppert,
> Prof. David Ray Griffin, Prof. Michael Chossudovsky, Peter Dale Scott, and
> a handful of other authors/journalists.
>
> And you? What actual research have you done that leads you to conclude
> that our government's telling us the truth? Please do share. Although I
> think I already know the answer.



Well, I've read thoroughly every site you've posted here in these 9/11
threads and all of them reinforce the idea that you're a bunch of kooks who
draw conclusions from data that are not supported by the data.




 
Date: 13 Jan 2009 11:14:20
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?

"Senator Millionaire" <moone99@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:0bcb97d5-94a8-4d49-891a-90beb80e3f20@s20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> I've read quite a lot of material about 9-11. FOX news once reported
> about an Israeli spy operation that may have been connected to 9-11.
> Most of the news story seems to have been squashed. I've also read
> that the airport security company that was contracted for Newark and
> Boston airports prior to 9-11 was an Israeli-owned company. Can anyone
> confirm this?
>
> Let's face it, 9-11 was great for Israel.

Can you give us a link to a site or cite where this supposed Fox News story
appears or appeared? I'm a news junkie, spend a lot of time watching Fox
News, and during and after 9/11/2001 spent 70% of my news time (you remember
it was a couple of weeks before regular programming was back on any network,
broadcast and most cables were in strict news mode) watching Fox in that
time period and don't ever remember anything like that being "reported" on a
NEWS show. It may have been OPINED by someone on one of their "Opinion
Shows" (O'Reilly, Hannity and Colmes, Greta Van Susteren) but I certainly
don't remember any NEWS STORY about Israel or Israeli owned companies being
involved in 9/11 except for the opinion shows talking about the "conspiracy"
that no Jews went to work that day, and the like.

--
Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles




  
Date: 13 Jan 2009 14:34:02
From: Kingo Gondo
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?

"DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net > wrote in message
news:iK5bl.35$g23.1@newsfe01.iad...
>
> "Senator Millionaire" <moone99@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0bcb97d5-94a8-4d49-891a-90beb80e3f20@s20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>> I've read quite a lot of material about 9-11. FOX news once reported
>> about an Israeli spy operation that may have been connected to 9-11.
>> Most of the news story seems to have been squashed. I've also read
>> that the airport security company that was contracted for Newark and
>> Boston airports prior to 9-11 was an Israeli-owned company. Can anyone
>> confirm this?
>>
>> Let's face it, 9-11 was great for Israel.
>
> Can you give us a link to a site or cite where this supposed Fox News
> story appears or appeared?

This part is based in truth:

http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A8250

You can Google up plenty more, but Fox took down the originals. No one
denies it (the story) existed, however.




  
Date: 13 Jan 2009 14:16:31
From: John B
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
Don't you recall that phone calls were made on 9/10, and not ONE Jewish
person went to work at the WTC or the Pentagon? (scarsasm off)



   
Date: 14 Jan 2009 20:52:00
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
You're right Chris. The Israeli-owned front company was "Urban Moving
Systems" and the owner fled to Israel. It is believed that the
Israeli's were indeed carrying explosives. Why is this information
about the Israeli's classified?

The following clip shows Jack Kelley a foreign war correspondent
stating to USA today that the FBI believed that a truck full of
explosives was parked beneath the buildings which exploded and
weakened the structures aiding their complete collapse:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-npAbNl2ihY

Here's some videos and one in particular where MSNBC news reporter
Rick Sanchez is stating that NYPD found suspicious devices and think a
van with explosives was parked inside the WTC.

http://www.infowars.net/articles/april2007/230407vans.htm

Many people believe explosives were planted in or near the WTC
buildings. There's no denying that on 9-11 there were Israeli's moving
explosives in and around the city on 9-11.







    
Date: 15 Jan 2009 00:05:51
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?

"Senator Millionaire" <moone99@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:c547bac0-76fc-487a-b2c0-471d68e7c925@u13g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> You're right Chris. The Israeli-owned front company was "Urban Moving
> Systems" and the owner fled to Israel. It is believed that the

Paul, pull your head out of your ass and give up.







   
Date: 14 Jan 2009 18:13:57
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Jan 14, 8:55=A0pm, "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 13 2009 11:16 AM, John B wrote:
>
> > Don't you recall that phone calls were made on 9/10, and not ONE Jewish
> > person went to work at the WTC or the Pentagon? =A0 (scarsasm off)
>
> Of fer crissakes. =A0This is the financial industry in NYC. =A0Everybody =
is
> jewish. =A0If all jews stayed home on 9/11 the buildings would have been
> empty.
>
I'm pretty sure that he was being sarcastic. However, that rumor _did_
fly around right after 9/11 and has been repeated many times since.
The lists of Jewish people who died in the event chase the lies around
but can never silence them all.

What is _erie_ is that someone was telling people this bullshit on a
bus in New Haven only hours after the event. It was as if someone had
programmed people to tell these lies. As if there _was_ a conspiracy
but not the one that these people are promulgating.

I know one guy whose reaction to hearing of Jews who died in the Two
Towers was "Wow, I didn't think Mossad was ruthless enough to let
their own get killed." Because, I guess, he couldn't understand that
his whole beloved theory was bullshit.

--
Will in New Haven



   
Date: 14 Jan 2009 17:55:19
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Jan 13 2009 11:16 AM, John B wrote:

> Don't you recall that phone calls were made on 9/10, and not ONE Jewish
> person went to work at the WTC or the Pentagon? (scarsasm off)

Of fer crissakes. This is the financial industry in NYC. Everybody is
jewish. If all jews stayed home on 9/11 the buildings would have been
empty.

Brew
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Date: 13 Jan 2009 16:35:07
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
Although many Israeli's were detained for questioning and some were
caught with explosives, evidence linking Israel to 9-11 is classified.
That's what Carl Cameron reports in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aKj6uJ5Mt4&feature=related

There's a lot more here:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm



    
Date: 13 Jan 2009 22:25:40
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?

"Senator Millionaire" <moone99@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:48f9604a-93d3-416a-b931-4f9523fcfdc5@g38g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> Although many Israeli's were detained for questioning and some were
> caught with explosives, evidence linking Israel to 9-11 is classified.
> That's what Carl Cameron reports in this video:

Was that before or after the flying saucer landed in the middle of your
trailer park?

Irish Mike





    
Date: 13 Jan 2009 20:49:02
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:35:07 -0800 (PST), Senator Millionaire
<moone99@gmail.com > wrote:

>Although many Israeli's were detained for questioning and some were
>caught with explosives, evidence linking Israel to 9-11 is classified.
>That's what Carl Cameron reports in this video:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aKj6uJ5Mt4&feature=related
>
>There's a lot more here:
>
>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm

Interesting report.

Personally, I find it comforting to think there are Israeli agents in
the USA helping us keep track of the IslamoNazi cells in this country.
Obviously, the CIA is not up to the job.

Israel has a strong interest in keeping us safe.

After all, if the Big Satan goes down, the Little Satan is sure to
follow.



     
Date: 13 Jan 2009 20:55:42
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Jan 13 2009 9:49 PM, FL Turbo wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:35:07 -0800 (PST), Senator Millionaire
> <moone99@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Although many Israeli's were detained for questioning and some were
> >caught with explosives, evidence linking Israel to 9-11 is classified.
> >That's what Carl Cameron reports in this video:
> >
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aKj6uJ5Mt4&feature=related
> >
> >There's a lot more here:
> >
> >http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm
>
> Interesting report.
>
> Personally, I find it comforting to think there are Israeli agents in
> the USA helping us keep track of the IslamoNazi cells in this country.

You're COMFORTED by the fact that foreign agents walk our soil unimpeded?
Hell, the only country that's stolen more American technological secrets
is China. You're a weird dude, Francis.

> Obviously, the CIA is not up to the job.

That's because that's, uh, not their job.

> Israel has a strong interest in keeping us safe.

Yes, all parasites need their hosts to survive.

> After all, if the Big Satan goes down, the Little Satan is sure to
> follow.

Not necessarily. Sure, they'd lose their massive donations of foreign aid
and military hardware. But they'd still have their nukes, which is a
decisive advantage over most of their neighbors.

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Date: 14 Jan 2009 18:56:26
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:55:42 -0800, "ChrisRobin"
<a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>On Jan 13 2009 9:49 PM, FL Turbo wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:35:07 -0800 (PST), Senator Millionaire
>> <moone99@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Although many Israeli's were detained for questioning and some were
>> >caught with explosives, evidence linking Israel to 9-11 is classified.
>> >That's what Carl Cameron reports in this video:
>> >
>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aKj6uJ5Mt4&feature=related
>> >
>> >There's a lot more here:
>> >
>> >http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm
>>
>> Interesting report.
>>
>> Personally, I find it comforting to think there are Israeli agents in
>> the USA helping us keep track of the IslamoNazi cells in this country.
>
>You're COMFORTED by the fact that foreign agents walk our soil unimpeded?
>Hell, the only country that's stolen more American technological secrets
>is China. You're a weird dude, Francis.
>

Countries spy on each other all the time.

So who do you feel more comfortable having American technological
secrets?

China or Israel?

(Sorry, silly question. I already know the answer.)

>> Obviously, the CIA is not up to the job.
>
>That's because that's, uh, not their job.
>

Silly me.
I thought that gathering Intelligence was the CIA's job.

>> Israel has a strong interest in keeping us safe.
>
>Yes, all parasites need their hosts to survive.
>

I think the word is "symbiotic".

Parasites often cause the death of their hosts.

In a symbiotic relationship, both contribute to the survival of each
other.


>> After all, if the Big Satan goes down, the Little Satan is sure to
>> follow.
>
>Not necessarily. Sure, they'd lose their massive donations of foreign aid
>and military hardware. But they'd still have their nukes, which is a
>decisive advantage over most of their neighbors.
>

A necessary but not sufficient condition.

Throwing an ally, the only real Democracy in that part of the world,
overboard to the likes of OBL is positively obscene.


   
Date: 13 Jan 2009 12:14:13
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Jan 13, 2:34=A0pm, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net > wrote:
> "John B" <Nortwo...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>
> news:11589-496CE88F-420@storefull-3311.bay.webtv.net...
>
> > Don't you recall that phone calls were made on 9/10, and not ONE Jewish
> > person went to work at the WTC or the Pentagon? =A0 (scarsasm off)
>
> http://www.snopes.com/rumors/israel.asp

The lists of Jewish people who died in the two towers followed the
lies around the internet but could never catch all. What is even odder
is the contention, repeated without end, that the 9/11 bombing and
even the war with Iraq are "good for Israel." It has never been showed
why these things are supposed to be good for Israel, but it is
accepted as a given.

--
Will in New Haven


   
Date: 13 Jan 2009 13:34:55
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?

"John B" <Nortwoods@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:11589-496CE88F-420@storefull-3311.bay.webtv.net...
> Don't you recall that phone calls were made on 9/10, and not ONE Jewish
> person went to work at the WTC or the Pentagon? (scarsasm off)
>

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/israel.asp




 
Date: 13 Jan 2009 11:06:27
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?
On Jan 13, 1:53=A0pm, "Kingo Gondo" <kingo_nospam_go...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> "Senator Millionaire" <moon...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0bcb97d5-94a8-4d49-891a-90beb80e3f20@s20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I've read quite a lot of material about 9-11. FOX news once reported
> > about an Israeli spy operation that may have been connected to 9-11.
> > Most of the news story seems to have been squashed. I've also read
> > that the airport security company that was contracted for Newark and
> > Boston airports prior to 9-11 was an Israeli-owned company. Can anyone
> > confirm this?
>
> > Let's face it, 9-11 was great for Israel.
>
> Pearl Harbor was great for Britain and Russia, and there were similar
> allegations made there (essentially that the British and/or Russians knew=
it
> was coming and failed to warn the US). Of course the same accusations wer=
e
> made directly at FDR.
>
> The burden of proof is on you, my man. In 7+ years I have not seen it met=
,
> not even close.

I have seen all of his claims refuted, mostly several times. But the
refutations chase the allegations around in vain because those who
allege (the alligators) aren't interested in facts.

--
Will in New Haven


 
Date: 13 Jan 2009 13:53:30
From: Kingo Gondo
Subject: Re: Was Israel Involved in 9-11?

"Senator Millionaire" <moone99@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:0bcb97d5-94a8-4d49-891a-90beb80e3f20@s20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> I've read quite a lot of material about 9-11. FOX news once reported
> about an Israeli spy operation that may have been connected to 9-11.
> Most of the news story seems to have been squashed. I've also read
> that the airport security company that was contracted for Newark and
> Boston airports prior to 9-11 was an Israeli-owned company. Can anyone
> confirm this?
>
> Let's face it, 9-11 was great for Israel.

Pearl Harbor was great for Britain and Russia, and there were similar
allegations made there (essentially that the British and/or Russians knew it
was coming and failed to warn the US). Of course the same accusations were
made directly at FDR.

The burden of proof is on you, my man. In 7+ years I have not seen it met,
not even close.