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Date: 13 Dec 2008 16:51:26
From: FangBanger
Subject: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
Several time over the last 5-6 years I have tried to make this one work ,
both as a player and as a floorman .

Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player on
your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
throw your cards away.

You are obligated due to your stack size and to the other players in the
pot NOT TO FOLD until the raiser declares his raise amount.

I have met great adversity in trying to enforce it in games , as a
player, and as a floorman. people dont understand it and dont want to !!

I brought it up at Oneida in GB and even Todd the Wonderfloor idjut didnt
understand or comprehend it !!

NO FRIGGEN CLUE

I would be willing to bet that 40% dont know this rule , and that less
than 20% practice it !!

yeah .. I know .. all the TVSM's knew this !!


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Date: 19 Dec 2008 06:37:43
From: Lute
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
In a similar vein, some poker rooms forbid (or frown on) the custom of
"checking out," that is, folding when all players to your right have
checked. Essentially, even though it's your turn, you're not supposed
to fold until there is actually a bet, no matter how hopeless your
hand seems to be.

=3D*=3D*=3D

On Dec 13, 7:51=A0pm, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> Several time over the last 5-6 years I have tried to make this one work ,
> both as a player and as a floorman .
>
> Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player on
> your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> throw your cards away.
>
> You are obligated due to your stack size and to the other players in the
> pot NOT TO FOLD until the raiser declares his raise amount.
>
> I have met great adversity in =A0trying to enforce it in games , as a
> player, and as a floorman. people dont understand it and dont want to !!
>
> I brought it up at Oneida in GB and even Todd the Wonderfloor idjut didnt
> understand or comprehend it !!
>
> NO FRIGGEN CLUE
>
> I would be willing to bet that 40% dont know this rule , and that less
> than 20% practice it !!
>
> yeah .. I know .. all the TVSM's knew this !!
>
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities=
.
> Voltaire
>
> ______________________________________________________________________=A0
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Date: 19 Dec 2008 19:30:31
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
On Dec 19 2008 8:37 AM, Lute wrote:

> In a similar vein, some poker rooms forbid (or frown on) the custom of
> "checking out," that is, folding when all players to your right have
> checked. Essentially, even though it's your turn, you're not supposed
> to fold until there is actually a bet, no matter how hopeless your
> hand seems to be.
>

100% correct .. all goes to protection, and the scooters(most of em ) dont
understand or want to understand
> =*=*=
>
> On Dec 13, 7:51 pm, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > Several time over the last 5-6 years I have tried to make this one work ,
> > both as a player and as a floorman .
> >
> > Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player on
> > your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> > throw your cards away.
> >
> > You are obligated due to your stack size and to the other players in the
> > pot NOT TO FOLD until the raiser declares his raise amount.
> >
> > I have met great adversity in  trying to enforce it in games , as a
> > player, and as a floorman. people dont understand it and dont want to !!
> >
> > I brought it up at Oneida in GB and even Todd the Wonderfloor idjut didnt
> > understand or comprehend it !!
> >
> > NO FRIGGEN CLUE
> >
> > I would be willing to bet that 40% dont know this rule , and that less
> > than 20% practice it !!
> >
> > yeah .. I know .. all the TVSM's knew this !!
> >
> > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..
> > Voltaire
> >


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Date: 15 Dec 2008 10:39:59
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
On Dec 13 2008 6:51 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> Several time over the last 5-6 years I have tried to make this one work ,
> both as a player and as a floorman .
>
> Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player on
> your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> throw your cards away.
>
> You are obligated due to your stack size and to the other players in the
> pot NOT TO FOLD until the raiser declares his raise amount.
>
> I have met great adversity in trying to enforce it in games , as a
> player, and as a floorman. people dont understand it and dont want to !!
>
> I brought it up at Oneida in GB and even Todd the Wonderfloor idjut didnt
> understand or comprehend it !!
>
> NO FRIGGEN CLUE
>
> I would be willing to bet that 40% dont know this rule , and that less
> than 20% practice it !!
>
> yeah .. I know .. all the TVSM's knew this !!
>

If this is your biggest concern in life, you need something more important
to worry about. Is it technically wrong? Yes. Might it affect the raise
size? Maybe.

But your example with stack sizes was an incredibly shitty one. All raises
are effectively the same size against opponent 1 as even a min-raise to
600 commits him if he calls it. So in your poker ignorance you posted a
situation where the two premature folds have no effect on the hand
whatsoever.

What does it say about you that you made a glaring mistake in a thread
where you were berating "TVSMs"? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess
the TVSMs have the best of it, at least when they're playing you. That's
why you lose at micro SnGs.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

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Date: 16 Dec 2008 18:42:10
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
On Dec 15 2008 12:39 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> On Dec 13 2008 6:51 PM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > Several time over the last 5-6 years I have tried to make this one work ,
> > both as a player and as a floorman .
> >
> > Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player on
> > your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> > throw your cards away.
> >
> > You are obligated due to your stack size and to the other players in the
> > pot NOT TO FOLD until the raiser declares his raise amount.
> >
> > I have met great adversity in trying to enforce it in games , as a
> > player, and as a floorman. people dont understand it and dont want to !!
> >
> > I brought it up at Oneida in GB and even Todd the Wonderfloor idjut didnt
> > understand or comprehend it !!
> >
> > NO FRIGGEN CLUE
> >
> > I would be willing to bet that 40% dont know this rule , and that less
> > than 20% practice it !!
> >
> > yeah .. I know .. all the TVSM's knew this !!
> >
>
> If this is your biggest concern in life, you need something more important
> to worry about. Is it technically wrong? Yes. Might it affect the raise
> size? Maybe.
>
> But your example with stack sizes was an incredibly shitty one. All raises
> are effectively the same size against opponent 1 as even a min-raise to
> 600 commits him if he calls it. So in your poker ignorance you posted a
> situation where the two premature folds have no effect on the hand
> whatsoever.
>
> What does it say about you that you made a glaring mistake in a thread
> where you were berating "TVSMs"? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess
> the TVSMs have the best of it, at least when they're playing you. That's
> why you lose at micro SnGs.
>
> Wayne Vinson
> http://cardsharp.org/
> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

uh!! hello..MORON .. yes after the folds , it eliminates all the guess
work ,but

WHAT ABOUT BEFORE THEY FOLD IF THEY WERE TO DO IT CORRECTLY .. your
concerns are many with all kinds of options and variations .

Here is one you didnt think of .. suppose you want to min-raise and make
it 600 to the 2 guys on your left , and you hope one of em calls , and
then you hope that "short stack" will go allin and you can "whip saw'
either of the other 2 'big stack' callers , and make em lay down whatever
hand they have , and you can get an extra 600 "dead money" after you make
em fold .

personally I like min raising a guy who leads when you absolutely want him
to call .. say you make the nut straight on the turn , and there is an ace
on the board and it is suited to one of the other cards .. thus .. a 3rd
card to the suit will not harm you if you KNOW he has an ace in his hand .

is this too far over your head ?

let me know if you need some help understanding this


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Date: 16 Dec 2008 21:45:51
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
Doggy, you are massively confused as usual. In the example you posted,
players 3 and 4 are folding no matter what. The only question is whether
they fold before or after player 2 picks a raise size.

In this case, since all raise sizes affect player 1 equally, it makes NO
DIFFERENCE.

You gave a horrible example. Now go back to losing to the kids on Stars -
it suits you.

On Dec 16 2008 8:42 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> On Dec 15 2008 12:39 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:
>
> > On Dec 13 2008 6:51 PM, FangBanger wrote:
> >
> > > Several time over the last 5-6 years I have tried to make this one work ,
> > > both as a player and as a floorman .
> > >
> > > Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player on
> > > your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> > > throw your cards away.
> > >
> > > You are obligated due to your stack size and to the other players in the
> > > pot NOT TO FOLD until the raiser declares his raise amount.
> > >
> > > I have met great adversity in trying to enforce it in games , as a
> > > player, and as a floorman. people dont understand it and dont want to !!
> > >
> > > I brought it up at Oneida in GB and even Todd the Wonderfloor idjut didnt
> > > understand or comprehend it !!
> > >
> > > NO FRIGGEN CLUE
> > >
> > > I would be willing to bet that 40% dont know this rule , and that less
> > > than 20% practice it !!
> > >
> > > yeah .. I know .. all the TVSM's knew this !!
> > >
> >
> > If this is your biggest concern in life, you need something more important
> > to worry about. Is it technically wrong? Yes. Might it affect the raise
> > size? Maybe.
> >
> > But your example with stack sizes was an incredibly shitty one. All raises
> > are effectively the same size against opponent 1 as even a min-raise to
> > 600 commits him if he calls it. So in your poker ignorance you posted a
> > situation where the two premature folds have no effect on the hand
> > whatsoever.
> >
> > What does it say about you that you made a glaring mistake in a thread
> > where you were berating "TVSMs"? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess
> > the TVSMs have the best of it, at least when they're playing you. That's
> > why you lose at micro SnGs.
> >
> > Wayne Vinson
> > http://cardsharp.org/
> > Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com
>
> uh!! hello..MORON .. yes after the folds , it eliminates all the guess
> work ,but
>
> WHAT ABOUT BEFORE THEY FOLD IF THEY WERE TO DO IT CORRECTLY .. your
> concerns are many with all kinds of options and variations .
>
> Here is one you didnt think of .. suppose you want to min-raise and make
> it 600 to the 2 guys on your left , and you hope one of em calls , and
> then you hope that "short stack" will go allin and you can "whip saw'
> either of the other 2 'big stack' callers , and make em lay down whatever
> hand they have , and you can get an extra 600 "dead money" after you make
> em fold .
>
> personally I like min raising a guy who leads when you absolutely want him
> to call .. say you make the nut straight on the turn , and there is an ace
> on the board and it is suited to one of the other cards .. thus .. a 3rd
> card to the suit will not harm you if you KNOW he has an ace in his hand .
>
> is this too far over your head ?
>
> let me know if you need some help understanding this
>
>
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
> Voltaire


Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/beginner-mistakes-giving-up-won-money-for-no-good-reason/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

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Date: 17 Dec 2008 07:46:56
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
On Dec 16 2008 11:45 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> Doggy, you are massively confused as usual. In the example you posted,
> players 3 and 4 are folding no matter what. The only question is whether
> they fold before or after player 2 picks a raise size.
>
> In this case, since all raise sizes affect player 1 equally, it makes NO
> DIFFERENCE.
>
> You gave a horrible example. Now go back to losing to the kids on Stars -
> it suits you.

iF THIS IS A TROLL ATTEMPT ON YOUR PART ..IT IS A BAD ONE . bUT IF YOU
TRULY DONT UNDERSTAND .. THEN YOU HAVE COMPLETELY WASTED ALL THE TIME YOU
HAVE SPENT ON POKER IN THE LAST FEW YEARS .
>
> On Dec 16 2008 8:42 PM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > On Dec 15 2008 12:39 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 13 2008 6:51 PM, FangBanger wrote:
> > >
> > > > Several time over the last 5-6 years I have tried to make this one
work ,
> > > > both as a player and as a floorman .
> > > >
> > > > Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player
on
> > > > your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> > > > throw your cards away.
> > > >
> > > > You are obligated due to your stack size and to the other players in
the
> > > > pot NOT TO FOLD until the raiser declares his raise amount.
> > > >
> > > > I have met great adversity in trying to enforce it in games , as a
> > > > player, and as a floorman. people dont understand it and dont want to
!!
> > > >
> > > > I brought it up at Oneida in GB and even Todd the Wonderfloor idjut
didnt
> > > > understand or comprehend it !!
> > > >
> > > > NO FRIGGEN CLUE
> > > >
> > > > I would be willing to bet that 40% dont know this rule , and that less
> > > > than 20% practice it !!
> > > >
> > > > yeah .. I know .. all the TVSM's knew this !!
> > > >
> > >
> > > If this is your biggest concern in life, you need something more
important
> > > to worry about. Is it technically wrong? Yes. Might it affect the
raise
> > > size? Maybe.
> > >
> > > But your example with stack sizes was an incredibly shitty one. All
raises
> > > are effectively the same size against opponent 1 as even a min-raise to
> > > 600 commits him if he calls it. So in your poker ignorance you posted a
> > > situation where the two premature folds have no effect on the hand
> > > whatsoever.
> > >
> > > What does it say about you that you made a glaring mistake in a thread
> > > where you were berating "TVSMs"? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess
> > > the TVSMs have the best of it, at least when they're playing you. That's
> > > why you lose at micro SnGs.
> > >
> > > Wayne Vinson
> > > http://cardsharp.org/
> > > Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com
> >
> > uh!! hello..MORON .. yes after the folds , it eliminates all the guess
> > work ,but
> >
> > WHAT ABOUT BEFORE THEY FOLD IF THEY WERE TO DO IT CORRECTLY .. your
> > concerns are many with all kinds of options and variations .
> >
> > Here is one you didnt think of .. suppose you want to min-raise and make
> > it 600 to the 2 guys on your left , and you hope one of em calls , and
> > then you hope that "short stack" will go allin and you can "whip saw'
> > either of the other 2 'big stack' callers , and make em lay down whatever
> > hand they have , and you can get an extra 600 "dead money" after you make
> > em fold .
> >
> > personally I like min raising a guy who leads when you absolutely want him
> > to call .. say you make the nut straight on the turn , and there is an ace
> > on the board and it is suited to one of the other cards .. thus .. a 3rd
> > card to the suit will not harm you if you KNOW he has an ace in his hand .
> >
> > is this too far over your head ?
> >
> > let me know if you need some help understanding this
> >
> >
> > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
> > Voltaire
>
>
> Wayne Vinson
>
http://cardsharp.org/beginner-mistakes-giving-up-won-money-for-no-good-reason/
> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com


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Date: 14 Dec 2008 12:55:09
From: Deadmoney Walking
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
On Dec 13, 7:51=A0pm, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> Several time over the last 5-6 years I have tried to make this one work ,
> both as a player and as a floorman .
>
> Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player on
> your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> throw your cards away.
>
> You are obligated due to your stack size and to the other players in the
> pot NOT TO FOLD until the raiser declares his raise amount.
>
> I have met great adversity in =A0trying to enforce it in games , as a
> player, and as a floorman. people dont understand it and dont want to !!
>
> I brought it up at Oneida in GB and even Todd the Wonderfloor idjut didnt
> understand or comprehend it !!
>
> NO FRIGGEN CLUE
>
> I would be willing to bet that 40% dont know this rule , and that less
> than 20% practice it !!
>
> yeah .. I know .. all the TVSM's knew this !!
>
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities=
.
> Voltaire
>
> ______________________________________________________________________=A0
> RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader :www.recgroups.com

Screw these people who can't be bothered to not act out of turn. In
limit hold'em some bastards will check even before it is their turn to
act. Fuck their gods, Fuck their parents, Fuck the land and country at
the them moment of their birth, Fuck whoever taught them poker


  
Date: 15 Dec 2008 09:53:13
From: jonathan
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
doggy you didnt say multiple players folding, i understand if its multiway
the original better now has the oppurtunity to change his bet size because
he is up against less opponents (and a different situation). you said the
guy on his left. i have always thought the 'raise' and 'amount' should be
announced one after the other. i see so many idiots say 'raise' then look
at their opponents to get a read and adjust the size of their bet.

back on subject, one guy to the left that goes ahead and snap folds after
the player to his right announces raise is not a big deal. the game is
slow enough as it is. now 3 guys doing this and leaving only one player
left to act is wrong. but i've never seen it happen. its rare to find
two guys in a row that will both fold after hearing 'raise', usually
someone has the courtesy to wait for the amount.
On Dec 14 2008 12:55 PM, Deadmoney Walking wrote:

> On Dec 13, 7:51 pm, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > Several time over the last 5-6 years I have tried to make this one work ,
> > both as a player and as a floorman .
> >
> > Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player on
> > your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> > throw your cards away.
> >
> > You are obligated due to your stack size and to the other players in the
> > pot NOT TO FOLD until the raiser declares his raise amount.
> >
> > I have met great adversity in  trying to enforce it in games , as a
> > player, and as a floorman. people dont understand it and dont want to !!
> >
> > I brought it up at Oneida in GB and even Todd the Wonderfloor idjut didnt
> > understand or comprehend it !!
> >
> > NO FRIGGEN CLUE
> >
> > I would be willing to bet that 40% dont know this rule , and that less
> > than 20% practice it !!
> >
> > yeah .. I know .. all the TVSM's knew this !!
> >
> > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..
> > Voltaire
> >
> Screw these people who can't be bothered to not act out of turn. In
> limit hold'em some bastards will check even before it is their turn to
> act. Fuck their gods, Fuck their parents, Fuck the land and country at
> the them moment of their birth, Fuck whoever taught them poker


-------------------------------
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and you wear your gun all wrong

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Date: 16 Dec 2008 18:53:28
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
On Dec 15 2008 11:53 AM, jonathan wrote:

> doggy you didnt say multiple players folding, i understand if its multiway
> the original better now has the oppurtunity to change his bet size because
> he is up against less opponents (and a different situation). you said the
> guy on his left. i have always thought the 'raise' and 'amount' should be
> announced one after the other. i see so many idiots say 'raise' then look
> at their opponents to get a read and adjust the size of their bet.
>
> back on subject, one guy to the left that goes ahead and snap folds after
> the player to his right announces raise is not a big deal. the game is
> slow enough as it is. now 3 guys doing this and leaving only one player
> left to act is wrong. but i've never seen it happen. its rare to find
> two guys in a row that will both fold after hearing 'raise', usually
> someone has the courtesy to wait for the amount.

so in other words in paragraph one you seem to understand that 2+2=4

yet in the second paragraph you seem lost when asked to consider what
2+2+2.. equals !!



> On Dec 14 2008 12:55 PM, Deadmoney Walking wrote:
>
> > On Dec 13, 7:51 pm, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > > Several time over the last 5-6 years I have tried to make this one work ,
> > > both as a player and as a floorman .
> > >
> > > Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player on
> > > your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> > > throw your cards away.
> > >
> > > You are obligated due to your stack size and to the other players in the
> > > pot NOT TO FOLD until the raiser declares his raise amount.
> > >
> > > I have met great adversity in  trying to enforce it in games , as a
> > > player, and as a floorman. people dont understand it and dont want to !!
> > >
> > > I brought it up at Oneida in GB and even Todd the Wonderfloor idjut didnt
> > > understand or comprehend it !!
> > >
> > > NO FRIGGEN CLUE
> > >
> > > I would be willing to bet that 40% dont know this rule , and that less
> > > than 20% practice it !!
> > >
> > > yeah .. I know .. all the TVSM's knew this !!
> > >
> > > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities..
> > > Voltaire
> > >
> > Screw these people who can't be bothered to not act out of turn. In
> > limit hold'em some bastards will check even before it is their turn to
> > act. Fuck their gods, Fuck their parents, Fuck the land and country at
> > the them moment of their birth, Fuck whoever taught them poker
>
>
> -------------------------------
> me and you... we'll never get along, i hate the way you play your hands
> and you wear your gun all wrong


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Date: 16 Dec 2008 18:31:43
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
On Dec 15 2008 11:53 AM, jonathan wrote:

> doggy you didnt say multiple players folding, i understand if its multiway
> the original better now has the oppurtunity to change his bet size because
> he is up against less opponents (and a different situation). you said the
> guy on his left. i have always thought the 'raise' and 'amount' should be
> announced one after the other. i see so many idiots say 'raise' then look
> at their opponents to get a read and adjust the size of their bet.
>
> back on subject, one guy to the left that goes ahead and snap folds after
> the player to his right announces raise is not a big deal. the game is
> slow enough as it is.

how in the world can you write such a 'perfect" first paragraph , and then
follow it with ridiculous logic like this ^^

if one of two does it , then that is one less opponent ..DUH!!!! whether
it is one of 2 or 2 out of 4 who do it .. it has a huge affect



now 3 guys doing this and leaving only one player
> left to act is wrong. but i've never seen it happen. its rare to find
> two guys in a row that will both fold after hearing 'raise', usually
> someone has the courtesy to wait for the amount.

I have seen a guy annonce a raise and 5 people fold behind him before he
says how much .. many many times


> On Dec 14 2008 12:55 PM, Deadmoney Walking wrote:
>
> > On Dec 13, 7:51 pm, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > > Several time over the last 5-6 years I have tried to make this one work ,
> > > both as a player and as a floorman .
> > >
> > > Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player on
> > > your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> > > throw your cards away.
> > >
> > > You are obligated due to your stack size and to the other players in the
> > > pot NOT TO FOLD until the raiser declares his raise amount.
> > >
> > > I have met great adversity in  trying to enforce it in games , as a
> > > player, and as a floorman. people dont understand it and dont want to !!
> > >
> > > I brought it up at Oneida in GB and even Todd the Wonderfloor idjut didnt
> > > understand or comprehend it !!
> > >
> > > NO FRIGGEN CLUE
> > >
> > > I would be willing to bet that 40% dont know this rule , and that less
> > > than 20% practice it !!
> > >
> > > yeah .. I know .. all the TVSM's knew this !!
> > >
> > > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities..
> > > Voltaire
> > >
> > Screw these people who can't be bothered to not act out of turn. In
> > limit hold'em some bastards will check even before it is their turn to
> > act. Fuck their gods, Fuck their parents, Fuck the land and country at
> > the them moment of their birth, Fuck whoever taught them poker
>
>
> -------------------------------
> me and you... we'll never get along, i hate the way you play your hands
> and you wear your gun all wrong


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Date: 15 Dec 2008 10:08:22
From: jonathan
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
when the pot is head up im guessing your the guy that raises hell when
player B folds after only hearing "raise" from player A. we all know you
need to see how big the raise was gonna be so you could you use it as a
tell later on in the game!! sir you are a nit, some things never change i
guess.

On Dec 15 2008 9:53 AM, jonathan wrote:

> doggy you didnt say multiple players folding, i understand if its multiway
> the original better now has the oppurtunity to change his bet size because
> he is up against less opponents (and a different situation). you said the
> guy on his left. i have always thought the 'raise' and 'amount' should be
> announced one after the other. i see so many idiots say 'raise' then look
> at their opponents to get a read and adjust the size of their bet.
>
> back on subject, one guy to the left that goes ahead and snap folds after
> the player to his right announces raise is not a big deal. the game is
> slow enough as it is. now 3 guys doing this and leaving only one player
> left to act is wrong. but i've never seen it happen. its rare to find
> two guys in a row that will both fold after hearing 'raise', usually
> someone has the courtesy to wait for the amount.
> On Dec 14 2008 12:55 PM, Deadmoney Walking wrote:
>
> > On Dec 13, 7:51 pm, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > > Several time over the last 5-6 years I have tried to make this one work ,
> > > both as a player and as a floorman .
> > >
> > > Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player on
> > > your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> > > throw your cards away.
> > >
> > > You are obligated due to your stack size and to the other players in the
> > > pot NOT TO FOLD until the raiser declares his raise amount.
> > >
> > > I have met great adversity in  trying to enforce it in games , as a
> > > player, and as a floorman. people dont understand it and dont want to !!
> > >
> > > I brought it up at Oneida in GB and even Todd the Wonderfloor idjut didnt
> > > understand or comprehend it !!
> > >
> > > NO FRIGGEN CLUE
> > >
> > > I would be willing to bet that 40% dont know this rule , and that less
> > > than 20% practice it !!
> > >
> > > yeah .. I know .. all the TVSM's knew this !!
> > >
> > > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities..
> > > Voltaire
> > >
> > Screw these people who can't be bothered to not act out of turn. In
> > limit hold'em some bastards will check even before it is their turn to
> > act. Fuck their gods, Fuck their parents, Fuck the land and country at
> > the them moment of their birth, Fuck whoever taught them poker
>
>
> -------------------------------
> me and you... we'll never get along, i hate the way you play your hands
> and you wear your gun all wrong


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Date: 16 Dec 2008 18:34:31
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
On Dec 15 2008 12:08 PM, jonathan wrote:

> when the pot is head up im guessing your the guy that raises hell when
> player B folds after only hearing "raise" from player A. we all know you
> need to see how big the raise was gonna be so you could you use it as a
> tell later on in the game!! sir you are a nit, some things never change i
> guess.

uh wrong !! and if you manufactured this to show off... it falls terribly
short of genius . Plus we played about 20-30 hours with each other .. did
you see anyone doing this ?
>
> On Dec 15 2008 9:53 AM, jonathan wrote:
>
> > doggy you didnt say multiple players folding, i understand if its multiway
> > the original better now has the oppurtunity to change his bet size because
> > he is up against less opponents (and a different situation). you said the
> > guy on his left. i have always thought the 'raise' and 'amount' should be
> > announced one after the other. i see so many idiots say 'raise' then look
> > at their opponents to get a read and adjust the size of their bet.
> >
> > back on subject, one guy to the left that goes ahead and snap folds after
> > the player to his right announces raise is not a big deal. the game is
> > slow enough as it is. now 3 guys doing this and leaving only one player
> > left to act is wrong. but i've never seen it happen. its rare to find
> > two guys in a row that will both fold after hearing 'raise', usually
> > someone has the courtesy to wait for the amount.
> > On Dec 14 2008 12:55 PM, Deadmoney Walking wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 13, 7:51 pm, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > > > Several time over the last 5-6 years I have tried to make this one
work ,
> > > > both as a player and as a floorman .
> > > >
> > > > Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player
on
> > > > your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> > > > throw your cards away.
> > > >
> > > > You are obligated due to your stack size and to the other players in
the
> > > > pot NOT TO FOLD until the raiser declares his raise amount.
> > > >
> > > > I have met great adversity in  trying to enforce it in games , as a
> > > > player, and as a floorman. people dont understand it and dont want to
!!
> > > >
> > > > I brought it up at Oneida in GB and even Todd the Wonderfloor idjut
didnt
> > > > understand or comprehend it !!
> > > >
> > > > NO FRIGGEN CLUE
> > > >
> > > > I would be willing to bet that 40% dont know this rule , and that less
> > > > than 20% practice it !!
> > > >
> > > > yeah .. I know .. all the TVSM's knew this !!
> > > >
> > > > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
> atrocities..
> > > > Voltaire
> > > >
> > > Screw these people who can't be bothered to not act out of turn. In
> > > limit hold'em some bastards will check even before it is their turn to
> > > act. Fuck their gods, Fuck their parents, Fuck the land and country at
> > > the them moment of their birth, Fuck whoever taught them poker
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------
> > me and you... we'll never get along, i hate the way you play your hands
> > and you wear your gun all wrong
>
>
> -------------------------------
> me and you... we'll never get along, i hate the way you play your hands
> and you wear your gun all wrong


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Date: 13 Dec 2008 20:41:53
From: johnny_t
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
FangBanger wrote:
> Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player on
> your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> throw your cards away.

It totally is, and the penalty for doing so is... It kills your hand.
And it does so.

There are real practical problems with this whole rule. First, is that
most of the time, it helps the raiser rather than hurts the raiser.
That help, must by definition come out of the hide of the caller. But
it becomes really hard to determine the value of that problem for them.
But whether or not the person ahead of them folds or doesn't "out of
turn" gives them more or less information.

Secondly, strong players as raisers are very rarely going to be hurt by
this.

From a mild rounders style collusion, the regulars are going to fully
understand.

Ultimately if it is done by a weak stranger, then this rule mistake and
a whole litany of other rule mistakes provide a better picture to that
players hands, and help the better players eventually separate them from
their cash.

Almost always, the people that seem to get the most upset about this,
are the rule angle-shooters. The ones that try and gain advantage by
enforcing the rules. These peoples are almost universally pricks, and
are not welcomed by the stronger players or the weaker players. And
should become ostracized and not listened to.

There is a narrow class of pricks that try to take advantage by
repeatedly taking advantage of lax enforcement of the rules. The rules
should be fiercely enforced against them, and when they complain about
uneven enforcement they should be pointed to the suggestion box and the
door. And the enforcers, and the abusers can go play with themselves.
The stronger players, and the weaker players, will focus on playing a
fun structured game, without so many pricks.


  
Date: 14 Dec 2008 01:25:43
From: jonathan
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
OMG YOU ARE A NIT!!! lmfao!!! i understand you shouldnt fold because it
"SHOULD" matter what the raise is (its not limit). but for the love of god
you just have to let this slide. the next guy to act is folding,
obviously, no matter what size the raise is.

and that begs the question, STOP SLOWING THE FUCKING GAME DOWN, TIME IS
MONEY!
On Dec 13 2008 8:41 PM, johnny_t wrote:

> FangBanger wrote:
> > Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player on
> > your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> > throw your cards away.
>
> It totally is, and the penalty for doing so is... It kills your hand.
> And it does so.
>
> There are real practical problems with this whole rule. First, is that
> most of the time, it helps the raiser rather than hurts the raiser.
> That help, must by definition come out of the hide of the caller. But
> it becomes really hard to determine the value of that problem for them.
> But whether or not the person ahead of them folds or doesn't "out of
> turn" gives them more or less information.
>
> Secondly, strong players as raisers are very rarely going to be hurt by
> this.
>
> From a mild rounders style collusion, the regulars are going to fully
> understand.
>
> Ultimately if it is done by a weak stranger, then this rule mistake and
> a whole litany of other rule mistakes provide a better picture to that
> players hands, and help the better players eventually separate them from
> their cash.
>
> Almost always, the people that seem to get the most upset about this,
> are the rule angle-shooters. The ones that try and gain advantage by
> enforcing the rules. These peoples are almost universally pricks, and
> are not welcomed by the stronger players or the weaker players. And
> should become ostracized and not listened to.
>
> There is a narrow class of pricks that try to take advantage by
> repeatedly taking advantage of lax enforcement of the rules. The rules
> should be fiercely enforced against them, and when they complain about
> uneven enforcement they should be pointed to the suggestion box and the
> door. And the enforcers, and the abusers can go play with themselves.
> The stronger players, and the weaker players, will focus on playing a
> fun structured game, without so many pricks.


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Date: 14 Dec 2008 11:04:31
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
On Dec 14 2008 1:25 AM, jonathan wrote:

> OMG YOU ARE A NIT!!! lmfao!!! i understand you shouldnt fold because it
> "SHOULD" matter what the raise is (its not limit). but for the love of god
> you just have to let this slide. the next guy to act is folding,
> obviously, no matter what size the raise is.

Jonathon, your response is 100% wrong. Say I am in middle position, and I
announce "raise" but no amount yet. I may be planning on raising 3x the
BB. Now the guy to my left has already folded, giving me one less guy to
get past, so I change my mind and make it a 4x raise.

You don't see how this hurts everybody else yet to act?

>
> and that begs the question, STOP SLOWING THE FUCKING GAME DOWN, TIME IS
> MONEY!
> On Dec 13 2008 8:41 PM, johnny_t wrote:
>
> > FangBanger wrote:
> > > Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player on
> > > your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> > > throw your cards away.
> >
> > It totally is, and the penalty for doing so is... It kills your hand.
> > And it does so.
> >
> > There are real practical problems with this whole rule. First, is that
> > most of the time, it helps the raiser rather than hurts the raiser.
> > That help, must by definition come out of the hide of the caller. But
> > it becomes really hard to determine the value of that problem for them.
> > But whether or not the person ahead of them folds or doesn't "out of
> > turn" gives them more or less information.
> >
> > Secondly, strong players as raisers are very rarely going to be hurt by
> > this.
> >
> > From a mild rounders style collusion, the regulars are going to fully
> > understand.
> >
> > Ultimately if it is done by a weak stranger, then this rule mistake and
> > a whole litany of other rule mistakes provide a better picture to that
> > players hands, and help the better players eventually separate them from
> > their cash.
> >
> > Almost always, the people that seem to get the most upset about this,
> > are the rule angle-shooters. The ones that try and gain advantage by
> > enforcing the rules. These peoples are almost universally pricks, and
> > are not welcomed by the stronger players or the weaker players. And
> > should become ostracized and not listened to.
> >
> > There is a narrow class of pricks that try to take advantage by
> > repeatedly taking advantage of lax enforcement of the rules. The rules
> > should be fiercely enforced against them, and when they complain about
> > uneven enforcement they should be pointed to the suggestion box and the
> > door. And the enforcers, and the abusers can go play with themselves.
> > The stronger players, and the weaker players, will focus on playing a
> > fun structured game, without so many pricks.
>
>
> -------------------------------
> me and you... we'll never get along, i hate the way you play your hands
> and you wear your gun all wrong


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Date: 14 Dec 2008 12:01:54
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
On Dec 14 2008 1:04 PM, brewmaster wrote:

> On Dec 14 2008 1:25 AM, jonathan wrote:
>
> > OMG YOU ARE A NIT!!! lmfao!!! i understand you shouldnt fold because it
> > "SHOULD" matter what the raise is (its not limit). but for the love of god
> > you just have to let this slide. the next guy to act is folding,
> > obviously, no matter what size the raise is.
>
> Jonathon, your response is 100% wrong. Say I am in middle position, and I
> announce "raise" but no amount yet. I may be planning on raising 3x the
> BB. Now the guy to my left has already folded, giving me one less guy to
> get past, so I change my mind and make it a 4x raise.
>
> You don't see how this hurts everybody else yet to act?

He has never been in a game with enough chips that this sort of thing
would be a concern !!
>
> >
> > and that begs the question, STOP SLOWING THE FUCKING GAME DOWN, TIME IS
> > MONEY!
> > On Dec 13 2008 8:41 PM, johnny_t wrote:
> >
> > > FangBanger wrote:
> > > > Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player
on
> > > > your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> > > > throw your cards away.
> > >
> > > It totally is, and the penalty for doing so is... It kills your hand.
> > > And it does so.
> > >
> > > There are real practical problems with this whole rule. First, is that
> > > most of the time, it helps the raiser rather than hurts the raiser.
> > > That help, must by definition come out of the hide of the caller. But
> > > it becomes really hard to determine the value of that problem for them.
> > > But whether or not the person ahead of them folds or doesn't "out of
> > > turn" gives them more or less information.
> > >
> > > Secondly, strong players as raisers are very rarely going to be hurt by
> > > this.
> > >
> > > From a mild rounders style collusion, the regulars are going to fully
> > > understand.
> > >
> > > Ultimately if it is done by a weak stranger, then this rule mistake and
> > > a whole litany of other rule mistakes provide a better picture to that
> > > players hands, and help the better players eventually separate them from
> > > their cash.
> > >
> > > Almost always, the people that seem to get the most upset about this,
> > > are the rule angle-shooters. The ones that try and gain advantage by
> > > enforcing the rules. These peoples are almost universally pricks, and
> > > are not welcomed by the stronger players or the weaker players. And
> > > should become ostracized and not listened to.
> > >
> > > There is a narrow class of pricks that try to take advantage by
> > > repeatedly taking advantage of lax enforcement of the rules. The rules
> > > should be fiercely enforced against them, and when they complain about
> > > uneven enforcement they should be pointed to the suggestion box and the
> > > door. And the enforcers, and the abusers can go play with themselves.
> > > The stronger players, and the weaker players, will focus on playing a
> > > fun structured game, without so many pricks.
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------
> > me and you... we'll never get along, i hate the way you play your hands
> > and you wear your gun all wrong
>
>
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Date: 14 Dec 2008 03:33:27
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
let me try to explain this so that even you can understand it !!

4 players in a pot ..player 1 has 1100, player 2 has 2500, player 3 has
3500, player 4 has 2800

player 1 bets 300 into a 300 dollar pot , and player 2 announces 'raise",
players 3 and 4 immediately muck their hands . When players 3 and 4 muck
their hands , player 2 no longer needs to play against their stacks , or
worry about what they might do behind his raise .

if they still had their hands and had not indicated that they were folding
, he would naturally have some concerns about getting felted or crippled
by a stack that can do him some serious damage .

Now that he knows they are not going to play, his options against the
remaining one player with a stack smaller than his are far easier to weigh.

This may surprise you , but there are games out there where people are
playing with more than your normal 85 dollar stack in a 1-2 game. Or even
some people who play 2-5 with more than the 200 you suggested in one of
your latest posts !!

And by the way , you are in no position EVER to call anyone a "NIT". You
admitted to lying about the games in Tunica , and you admitted to lying
about your "trust fund " situation , so maybe you should think just a bit
before responding with such a lame viewpoint .

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Date: 14 Dec 2008 03:19:55
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
On Dec 14 2008 3:25 AM, jonathan wrote:

> OMG YOU ARE A NIT!!! lmfao!!! i understand you shouldnt fold because it
> "SHOULD" matter what the raise is (its not limit). but for the love of god
> you just have to let this slide. the next guy to act is folding,
> obviously, no matter what size the raise is.
>
> and that begs the question, STOP SLOWING THE FUCKING GAME DOWN, TIME IS
> MONEY!

THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING TO THIS ONE GENIUS. i CANNOT EXPECT YOU TO
UNDERSTAND THIS AS YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN IN A GAME WHERE ANYONE HAS ANY
"REAL" MONEY IN FRONT OF THEM .

You honestly dont understand this do you ?


> On Dec 13 2008 8:41 PM, johnny_t wrote:
>
> > FangBanger wrote:
> > > Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player on
> > > your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> > > throw your cards away.
> >
> > It totally is, and the penalty for doing so is... It kills your hand.
> > And it does so.
> >
> > There are real practical problems with this whole rule. First, is that
> > most of the time, it helps the raiser rather than hurts the raiser.
> > That help, must by definition come out of the hide of the caller. But
> > it becomes really hard to determine the value of that problem for them.
> > But whether or not the person ahead of them folds or doesn't "out of
> > turn" gives them more or less information.
> >
> > Secondly, strong players as raisers are very rarely going to be hurt by
> > this.
> >
> > From a mild rounders style collusion, the regulars are going to fully
> > understand.
> >
> > Ultimately if it is done by a weak stranger, then this rule mistake and
> > a whole litany of other rule mistakes provide a better picture to that
> > players hands, and help the better players eventually separate them from
> > their cash.
> >
> > Almost always, the people that seem to get the most upset about this,
> > are the rule angle-shooters. The ones that try and gain advantage by
> > enforcing the rules. These peoples are almost universally pricks, and
> > are not welcomed by the stronger players or the weaker players. And
> > should become ostracized and not listened to.
> >
> > There is a narrow class of pricks that try to take advantage by
> > repeatedly taking advantage of lax enforcement of the rules. The rules
> > should be fiercely enforced against them, and when they complain about
> > uneven enforcement they should be pointed to the suggestion box and the
> > door. And the enforcers, and the abusers can go play with themselves.
> > The stronger players, and the weaker players, will focus on playing a
> > fun structured game, without so many pricks.
>
>
> -------------------------------
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> and you wear your gun all wrong


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Date: 13 Dec 2008 19:41:53
From: gtech1
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
Are you saying it's bad etiquette, or against the rules?
On Dec 13 2008 7:51 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> Several time over the last 5-6 years I have tried to make this one work ,
> both as a player and as a floorman .
>
> Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player on
> your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> throw your cards away.
>
> You are obligated due to your stack size and to the other players in the
> pot NOT TO FOLD until the raiser declares his raise amount.
>
> I have met great adversity in trying to enforce it in games , as a
> player, and as a floorman. people dont understand it and dont want to !!
>
> I brought it up at Oneida in GB and even Todd the Wonderfloor idjut didnt
> understand or comprehend it !!
>
> NO FRIGGEN CLUE
>
> I would be willing to bet that 40% dont know this rule , and that less
> than 20% practice it !!
>
> yeah .. I know .. all the TVSM's knew this !!
>
>
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 20:54:56
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
On Dec 13 2008 9:41 PM, gtech1 wrote:

> Are you saying it's bad etiquette, or against the rules?
> On Dec 13 2008 7:51 PM, FangBanger wrote:

it is actually a "rule' except that when n/l was spread pior to the TVSM's
they didnt need to write rules down .

Rules were just the rules and when some smart ass decided to manipulate
them .. he got his head cracked.. there were no "pesky nerds" taking
people to task by splitting hairs

here is one for you .. 4 guys in a pot . small stack bets .. next guy says
"raise".. and the other 2 players( with full stacks ) fold before he
announces how much he is raisng , leaving only the smaller stack in the
pot with the raiser.

did the bettor get any protection from the other 2 guys who had full
stacks ?


>
> > Several time over the last 5-6 years I have tried to make this one work ,
> > both as a player and as a floorman .
> >
> > Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player on
> > your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> > throw your cards away.
> >
> > You are obligated due to your stack size and to the other players in the
> > pot NOT TO FOLD until the raiser declares his raise amount.
> >
> > I have met great adversity in trying to enforce it in games , as a
> > player, and as a floorman. people dont understand it and dont want to !!
> >
> > I brought it up at Oneida in GB and even Todd the Wonderfloor idjut didnt
> > understand or comprehend it !!
> >
> > NO FRIGGEN CLUE
> >
> > I would be willing to bet that 40% dont know this rule , and that less
> > than 20% practice it !!
> >
> > yeah .. I know .. all the TVSM's knew this !!
> >
> >
> > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
> > Voltaire


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Date: 13 Dec 2008 19:02:08
From: eldo77
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
On Dec 13 2008 7:51 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> Several time over the last 5-6 years I have tried to make this one work ,
> both as a player and as a floorman .
>
> Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player on
> your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> throw your cards away.
>
> You are obligated due to your stack size and to the other players in the
> pot NOT TO FOLD until the raiser declares his raise amount.
>
> I have met great adversity in trying to enforce it in games , as a
> player, and as a floorman. people dont understand it and dont want to !!
>
> I brought it up at Oneida in GB and even Todd the Wonderfloor idjut didnt
> understand or comprehend it !!
>
> NO FRIGGEN CLUE
>
> I would be willing to bet that 40% dont know this rule , and that less
> than 20% practice it !!

I totally agree. I see this every day and it drives me nuts. And if you
try to explain it you get a lot of blank looks.

eldo77
>
> yeah .. I know .. all the TVSM's knew this !!
>
>
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
> Voltaire

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Date: 14 Dec 2008 03:43:09
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
On Dec 13 2008 9:02 PM, eldo77 wrote:

> On Dec 13 2008 7:51 PM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > Several time over the last 5-6 years I have tried to make this one work ,
> > both as a player and as a floorman .
> >
> > Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player on
> > your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> > throw your cards away.
> >
> > You are obligated due to your stack size and to the other players in the
> > pot NOT TO FOLD until the raiser declares his raise amount.
> >
> > I have met great adversity in trying to enforce it in games , as a
> > player, and as a floorman. people dont understand it and dont want to !!
> >
> > I brought it up at Oneida in GB and even Todd the Wonderfloor idjut didnt
> > understand or comprehend it !!
> >
> > NO FRIGGEN CLUE
> >
> > I would be willing to bet that 40% dont know this rule , and that less
> > than 20% practice it !!
>
> I totally agree. I see this every day and it drives me nuts. And if you
> try to explain it you get a lot of blank looks.
>
> eldo77

see jonathans response below .. not a fucking clue .. completely oblivious
> >
> > yeah .. I know .. all the TVSM's knew this !!
> >
> >
> > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
> > Voltaire


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Date: 14 Dec 2008 11:02:23
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
On Dec 14 2008 3:43 AM, FangBanger wrote:

> On Dec 13 2008 9:02 PM, eldo77 wrote:
>
> > On Dec 13 2008 7:51 PM, FangBanger wrote:
> >
> > > Several time over the last 5-6 years I have tried to make this one work ,
> > > both as a player and as a floorman .
> > >
> > > Many people dont know this but if you are in a n/l game and the player on
> > > your right declares a raise , it is TERRIBLE etiquette to immediately
> > > throw your cards away.
> > >
> > > You are obligated due to your stack size and to the other players in the
> > > pot NOT TO FOLD until the raiser declares his raise amount.
> > >
> > > I have met great adversity in trying to enforce it in games , as a
> > > player, and as a floorman. people dont understand it and dont want to !!
> > >
> > > I brought it up at Oneida in GB and even Todd the Wonderfloor idjut didnt
> > > understand or comprehend it !!
> > >
> > > NO FRIGGEN CLUE
> > >
> > > I would be willing to bet that 40% dont know this rule , and that less
> > > than 20% practice it !!
> >
> > I totally agree. I see this every day and it drives me nuts. And if you
> > try to explain it you get a lot of blank looks.
> >
> > eldo77
>
> see jonathans response below .. not a fucking clue .. completely oblivious

I see this on a daily basis too, and to this day most people just don't
understand how badly this affects those yet to act.

> > >
> > > yeah .. I know .. all the TVSM's knew this !!
> > >
> > >
> > > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities.
> > > Voltaire
>
>
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
> Voltaire


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Date: 13 Dec 2008 17:02:16
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
On Dec 13 2008 6:51 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> I would be willing to bet that 40% dont know this rule , and that less
> than 20% practice it !!
>
> yeah .. I know .. all the TVSM's knew this !!

Ok wait, are you saying that we shouldn't use the checkboxes to fold
before the action gets to us? That seems like it will slow the game down
quite a bit.

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Date: 18 Dec 2008 14:21:56
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE

"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:oh2e16x7la.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 13 2008 6:51 PM, FangBanger wrote:
>
>> I would be willing to bet that 40% dont know this rule , and that less
>> than 20% practice it !!
>>
>> yeah .. I know .. all the TVSM's knew this !!
>
> Ok wait, are you saying that we shouldn't use the checkboxes to fold
> before the action gets to us? That seems like it will slow the game down
> quite a bit.
>
> ---
> Morphy

Poker and ONLINE POKER are two totally separate and distinct games. The
differences are numerous. Morphy, your point about online is correct, but
Fangbanger is correct about LIVE poker.

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Date: 18 Dec 2008 16:07:54
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE
On Dec 18 2008 4:21 PM, DaVoice wrote:

> Poker and ONLINE POKER are two totally separate and distinct games. The
> differences are numerous. Morphy, your point about online is correct, but
> Fangbanger is correct about LIVE poker.

Umm, what now? Are you serious?

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Date: 18 Dec 2008 21:20:29
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: WHEN TO FOLD .. many dont know this N/L HE

"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:q75r16xs21.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 18 2008 4:21 PM, DaVoice wrote:
>
>> Poker and ONLINE POKER are two totally separate and distinct games. The
>> differences are numerous. Morphy, your point about online is correct,
>> but
>> Fangbanger is correct about LIVE poker.
>
> Umm, what now? Are you serious?

The two games are COMPLETELY different. Yes, I'm serious.


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