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Date: 17 Jan 2009 00:27:57
From: MZB
Subject: Using time clock in Stars tourneys
How do you folks use the time clock? I'm talking generally about the MTT
(NLHE) on Stars.

I've been playing in the 180-player $12. tourneys (sitngo).

Late in the tourney, when blinds are getting hefty and we are say a table or
2 away from being ITM, I often see low stacks delay like mad. Now, obviously
they are hoping to squeeze in as others fold. But OTOH, they are allowing
the blinds to rise a few extra times. It seems they are cutting their own
throats.

Now, if I have a hefty stack, I might delay a bit also (in addition to
pounding away) and also try and avoid being the BB when the blinds.

Anyway, please comment on the above and if possible any additional ideas
will be appreciated!

Mel






 
Date: 17 Jan 2009 06:30:47
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Using time clock in Stars tourneys
On Jan 17 2009 12:27 AM, MZB wrote:

> How do you folks use the time clock? I'm talking generally about the MTT
> (NLHE) on Stars.
>
> I've been playing in the 180-player $12. tourneys (sitngo).
>
> Late in the tourney, when blinds are getting hefty and we are say a table or
> 2 away from being ITM, I often see low stacks delay like mad. Now, obviously
> they are hoping to squeeze in as others fold. But OTOH, they are allowing
> the blinds to rise a few extra times. It seems they are cutting their own
> throats.
>
> Now, if I have a hefty stack, I might delay a bit also (in addition to
> pounding away) and also try and avoid being the BB when the blinds.
>
> Anyway, please comment on the above and if possible any additional ideas
> will be appreciated!
>
> Mel

Bad players benefit (in general, though certain bad players who cannot
adjust to high blinds do not) from turning the endgame into as much of a
crapshoot as possible. Bigstacks are slightly negatively affected by
stalling, but medium and short stacks are more negatively affected
(assuming good players).

It is only the very short stacks who may stand to benefit at all,
chip-wise, because others may bust in front of them or be forced into
pot-committing situations prior to the next BB of the shortstack.

As for me? Sometimes I use the time bank to try to time blind increases.
Not often, though. I'll mainly use it nearly every hand at the end of a
super-satellite.

Fell
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Date: 17 Jan 2009 01:41:13
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Using time clock in Stars tourneys
I've written about the clock. I also wrote about how to be on the
button close to every time the blinds get higher. I gave Raider Fan an
example of this. This alone, gives you a far bigger edge, especially
in the latter rounds when the blinds go up for large amounts.





On Jan 16, 9:27=EF=BF=BDpm, "MZB" <m...@noway.prudigy.net > wrote:
> How do you folks use the time clock? I'm talking generally about the MTT
> (NLHE) on Stars.
>
> I've been playing in the 180-player $12. tourneys (sitngo).
>
> Late in the tourney, when blinds are getting hefty and we are say a table=
or
> 2 away from being ITM, I often see low stacks delay like mad. Now, obviou=
sly
> they are hoping to squeeze in as others fold. But OTOH, they are allowing
> the blinds to rise a few extra times. It seems they are cutting their =EF=
=BF=BDown
> throats.
>
> Now, if I have a hefty stack, I might delay a bit also (in addition to
> pounding away) and also try and avoid being the BB when the blinds.
>
> Anyway, please comment on the above and if possible any additional ideas
> will be appreciated!
>
> Mel



  
Date: 17 Jan 2009 13:12:37
From:
Subject: Re: Using time clock in Stars tourneys
On Jan 17, 12:15=A0pm, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com >
wrote:
> Did you ever think I may not have had anything those hands? I still
> managed to get WELL into the money, until I decided to take a shot.
> Add up all the times I miss the BB and land on the button and you'd
> realize I get to play with far more chips than any one else at the
> table plays with.
>
> On Jan 17, 10:08 am, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 17 2009 3:41 AM, RussGeorg...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > > I've written about the clock. I also wrote about how to be on the
> > > button close to every time the blinds get higher. I gave Raider Fan a=
n
> > > example of this. This alone, gives you a far bigger edge, especially
> > > in the latter rounds when the blinds go up for large amounts.
>
> > Serious question here Russ, based on your play with Raider in the PLO8.
> > What benefit does stalling every hand so the blinds increase on your
> > button give you when you fold every button as well?
>
> > ---
> > Morphy
> > xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> > "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>
> > "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> > obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
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> - Show quoted text -

But your table gets much fewer hands compared to the other tables,
meaning your skill advantage (if you have any) is lessened. And min-
cashing !=3D WELL into the money...


  
Date: 17 Jan 2009 15:59:45
From: MZB
Subject: Re: Using time clock in Stars tourneys
Is there an advantage doing it early? It would seem minimal.

Also, if you are low stacked early or mid tourney, isn't it against your
interest to delay like that?

Mel
<RussGeorgiev@aol.com > wrote in message
news:5a1c1f01-d87d-4f49-879c-040806a1a9a0@i24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
I've written about the clock. I also wrote about how to be on the
button close to every time the blinds get higher. I gave Raider Fan an
example of this. This alone, gives you a far bigger edge, especially
in the latter rounds when the blinds go up for large amounts.





On Jan 16, 9:27?pm, "MZB" <m...@noway.prudigy.net > wrote:
> How do you folks use the time clock? I'm talking generally about the MTT
> (NLHE) on Stars.
>
> I've been playing in the 180-player $12. tourneys (sitngo).
>
> Late in the tourney, when blinds are getting hefty and we are say a table
> or
> 2 away from being ITM, I often see low stacks delay like mad. Now,
> obviously
> they are hoping to squeeze in as others fold. But OTOH, they are allowing
> the blinds to rise a few extra times. It seems they are cutting their ?own
> throats.
>
> Now, if I have a hefty stack, I might delay a bit also (in addition to
> pounding away) and also try and avoid being the BB when the blinds.
>
> Anyway, please comment on the above and if possible any additional ideas
> will be appreciated!
>
> Mel




   
Date: 17 Jan 2009 13:25:57
From: CincinnatiKid
Subject: Re: Using time clock in Stars tourneys
On Jan 17 2009 3:59 PM, MZB wrote:

> Is there an advantage doing it early? It would seem minimal.
>
> Also, if you are low stacked early or mid tourney, isn't it against your
> interest to delay like that?
>
> Mel

It's not in your best interest to ever play like a pussy in your typical
front loaded payout MTT.

Russ may have a point when it comes to satellites, but what he's
advocating here is just flat out retarded.


> <RussGeorgiev@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:5a1c1f01-d87d-4f49-879c-040806a1a9a0@i24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> I've written about the clock. I also wrote about how to be on the
> button close to every time the blinds get higher. I gave Raider Fan an
> example of this. This alone, gives you a far bigger edge, especially
> in the latter rounds when the blinds go up for large amounts.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 16, 9:27?pm, "MZB" <m...@noway.prudigy.net> wrote:
> > How do you folks use the time clock? I'm talking generally about the MTT
> > (NLHE) on Stars.
> >
> > I've been playing in the 180-player $12. tourneys (sitngo).
> >
> > Late in the tourney, when blinds are getting hefty and we are say a table
> > or
> > 2 away from being ITM, I often see low stacks delay like mad. Now,
> > obviously
> > they are hoping to squeeze in as others fold. But OTOH, they are allowing
> > the blinds to rise a few extra times. It seems they are cutting their ?own
> > throats.
> >
> > Now, if I have a hefty stack, I might delay a bit also (in addition to
> > pounding away) and also try and avoid being the BB when the blinds.
> >
> > Anyway, please comment on the above and if possible any additional ideas
> > will be appreciated!
> >
> > Mel

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Date: 17 Jan 2009 14:40:23
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Using time clock in Stars tourneys
On Jan 17 2009 4:25 PM, CincinnatiKid wrote:

> On Jan 17 2009 3:59 PM, MZB wrote:
>
> > Is there an advantage doing it early? It would seem minimal.
> >
> > Also, if you are low stacked early or mid tourney, isn't it against your
> > interest to delay like that?
> >
> > Mel
>
> It's not in your best interest to ever play like a pussy in your typical
> front loaded payout MTT.
>
> Russ may have a point when it comes to satellites, but what he's
> advocating here is just flat out retarded.

Not when you are like Russ and the rest of the old guard and playing WAY
beyond your bankroll.

Fell
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Date: 17 Jan 2009 10:15:14
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Using time clock in Stars tourneys
Did you ever think I may not have had anything those hands? I still
managed to get WELL into the money, until I decided to take a shot.
Add up all the times I miss the BB and land on the button and you'd
realize I get to play with far more chips than any one else at the
table plays with.






On Jan 17, 10:08=EF=BF=BDam, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 17 2009 3:41 AM, RussGeorg...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > I've written about the clock. I also wrote about how to be on the
> > button close to every time the blinds get higher. I gave Raider Fan an
> > example of this. This alone, gives you a far bigger edge, especially
> > in the latter rounds when the blinds go up for large amounts.
>
> Serious question here Russ, based on your play with Raider in the PLO8.
> What benefit does stalling every hand so the blinds increase on your
> button give you when you fold every button as well?
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" =EF=BF=BD--igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
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Date: 17 Jan 2009 10:08:23
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Using time clock in Stars tourneys
On Jan 17 2009 3:41 AM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:

> I've written about the clock. I also wrote about how to be on the
> button close to every time the blinds get higher. I gave Raider Fan an
> example of this. This alone, gives you a far bigger edge, especially
> in the latter rounds when the blinds go up for large amounts.

Serious question here Russ, based on your play with Raider in the PLO8.
What benefit does stalling every hand so the blinds increase on your
button give you when you fold every button as well?

---
Morphy
xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
http://www.donkeymanifesto.com

"I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz

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obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra

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Date: 16 Jan 2009 22:26:55
From: RazzO
Subject: Re: Using time clock in Stars tourneys
Huh, Mel?


On Jan 16 2009 9:27 PM, MZB wrote:

> and also try and avoid being the BB when the blinds.

>
> Mel


RazzO
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Date: 17 Jan 2009 01:52:21
From: MZB
Subject: Re: Using time clock in Stars tourneys
ooopppssss....I meant to say:

wHEN the blinds INCREASE.

Mel


"RazzO" <razzo@razzo.com > wrote in message
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> Huh, Mel?
>
>
> On Jan 16 2009 9:27 PM, MZB wrote:
>
>> and also try and avoid being the BB when the blinds.
>
>>
>> Mel
>
>
> RazzO
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