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Date: 20 Dec 2008 12:17:37
From: bgadams
Subject: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)
Interesting post on 2+2.........

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/ultimate-bet-wtf-hellmuth-has-worse-hand-but-pot-gets-shipped-him-anyway-369065/

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Date: 20 Dec 2008 23:50:12
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)
On Dec 20 2008 3:17 PM, bgadams wrote:

> Interesting post on 2+2.........
>
>
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/ultimate-bet-wtf-hellmuth-has-worse-hand-but-pot-gets-shipped-him-anyway-369065/

Unless Hawbaker has been reanimated, I'm not interested in 2+2 gossip.
Sorry.

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Date: 22 Dec 2008 12:35:17
From:
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped
On Dec 22, 11:02=A0am, "bgadams" <b...@bgadams.com > wrote:

> The problem
> is that when this type of thing happens, and gets discussed on national
> media, it gives a bad name to internet poker in general and makes it even
> more unlikely that the game will be "legitimatized".
>
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What you're missing is that there's a reason that internet poker has a
bad name in general. And that's because it deserves a bad name in
general.

Hell, I've only been online for a few years, and already I can
remember how many "scandals"?

Dutch Boyd
2 at UB/AP
Russ Hamilton
Stars (not the real player winning their biggest tournament)
How many hundreds of people having problems cashing out. (Party
holding on to $ for how many months after the UIGEA??)
Obvious collusion, etc.
Now pots getting awarded to the loser.

Sooner or later, it's not one rotten apple runing the barrel - it's
just that the whole barrel is rotten. (Yes, I play online, but to
kill time only and for low stakes. If they want to cheat me in a $10
SNG, good luck to them.)

Offshore, unregulated gambling will always have the results that
offshore, unregulated activities tend to have. To expect anything
else is, IMHO, naive.


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Date: 22 Dec 2008 11:50:37
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped
On Dec 22, 2:52=A0pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Dec 22 2008 1:27 PM, Senator Millionaire wrote:
>
> > UB will probably do what they can to keep it quiet. I'm going to laugh
> > like hell if that site is still operational in a few months.
>
> What makes you think anything will happen to it?

Is UB that great?



  
Date: 22 Dec 2008 11:27:38
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped
On Dec 22, 2:11=A0pm, Ben <benal...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Dec 22, 2:09=A0pm, Senator Millionaire <moon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is big enough news to shut the site down forever. Will it happen?
>
> not as long as there are still idiots willing to deposit money into it.

UB will probably do what they can to keep it quiet. I'm going to laugh
like hell if that site is still operational in a few months.


   
Date: 22 Dec 2008 11:52:56
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)
On Dec 22 2008 1:27 PM, Senator Millionaire wrote:

> UB will probably do what they can to keep it quiet. I'm going to laugh
> like hell if that site is still operational in a few months.

What makes you think anything will happen to it?

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Date: 22 Dec 2008 11:11:30
From: Ben
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped
On Dec 22, 2:09=A0pm, Senator Millionaire <moon...@gmail.com > wrote:
> This is big enough news to shut the site down forever. Will it happen?




not as long as there are still idiots willing to deposit money into it.


  
Date: 22 Dec 2008 11:09:26
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped
This is big enough news to shut the site down forever. Will it happen?


   
Date: 22 Dec 2008 11:22:59
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)
On Dec 22 2008 1:09 PM, Senator Millionaire wrote:

> This is big enough news to shut the site down forever. Will it happen?

Not a chance. If they can get away with stealing millions of dollars from
their own customers without any recourse or penalty, they can do whatever
they want and nothing will ever happen to them.

Worse yet is you'll get people who know better, those who follow the
threads and understand them on 2+2 and various other forums who will go
back and play on those sites. Their rationale is that since all the
"good" players that were on 2+2 should be gone, the games should be extra
easy.

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Date: 22 Dec 2008 10:56:35
From: funky cold medina
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped
On Dec 22, 10:43=A0am, Ben <benal...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Dec 22, 11:02=A0am, "bgadams" <b...@bgadams.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 22 2008 7:26 AM, Raider Fan wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 21 2008 11:28 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
> > > > And this is why RGP will never be anything useful as far as current=
online
> > > > poker news. =A02+2 thread on how UB awards a pot in holdem to the w=
rong
> > > > people, and you idiots don't even bother to care.
>
> > > Au contraire. =A0As posted many times even in that thread, only idiot=
s would
> > > still be playing on that damn site. =A0You have to go through 100 wor=
thless
> > > posts to get one good post. =A0I'm more than happy to have somebody m=
ention
> > > the highlights here.
>
> > I totally agree that you have to be an idiot to play there. =A0The prob=
lem
> > is that when this type of thing happens, and gets discussed on national
> > media, it gives a bad name to internet poker in general and makes it ev=
en
> > more unlikely that the game will be "legitimatized".
>
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>
> someone else just posted a hh from a razz game today that awarded a
> pot to someone sitting out of the hand.
> sounds like a cover-up, lol. wish I had an account at UB to go sit out
> at a bunch of tables and rake in the dough.

Never thought of it that way, I may need to re-deposit a a few bucks
and give it a shot. Was on UB briefly last year, didn't like the
cheap-ass browser interface. Stayed on for a month to recoup the
bonus then left.

Hellmuth's credibility is going downhill. At some point you wonder if
the financial compensation is worth it to have your name tied to this
kind of garbage. Need regulation. There will always be cheats and
scams, but that shit needs to be minimized and the predatory weasels
need to pay.


  
Date: 22 Dec 2008 10:43:43
From: Ben
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped
On Dec 22, 11:02=A0am, "bgadams" <b...@bgadams.com > wrote:
> On Dec 22 2008 7:26 AM, Raider Fan wrote:
>
> > On Dec 21 2008 11:28 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
> > > And this is why RGP will never be anything useful as far as current o=
nline
> > > poker news. =A02+2 thread on how UB awards a pot in holdem to the wro=
ng
> > > people, and you idiots don't even bother to care.
>
> > Au contraire. =A0As posted many times even in that thread, only idiots =
would
> > still be playing on that damn site. =A0You have to go through 100 worth=
less
> > posts to get one good post. =A0I'm more than happy to have somebody men=
tion
> > the highlights here.
>
> I totally agree that you have to be an idiot to play there. =A0The proble=
m
> is that when this type of thing happens, and gets discussed on national
> media, it gives a bad name to internet poker in general and makes it even
> more unlikely that the game will be "legitimatized".
>
> _______________________________________________________________________=
=A0
> RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader :www.recgroups.com



someone else just posted a hh from a razz game today that awarded a
pot to someone sitting out of the hand.
sounds like a cover-up, lol. wish I had an account at UB to go sit out
at a bunch of tables and rake in the dough.


  
Date: 22 Dec 2008 01:18:59
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:50:12 -0800, "ChrisRobin"
<a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>On Dec 20 2008 3:17 PM, bgadams wrote:
>
>> Interesting post on 2+2.........
>>
>>
>http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/ultimate-bet-wtf-hellmuth-has-worse-hand-but-pot-gets-shipped-him-anyway-369065/
>
>Unless Hawbaker has been reanimated, I'm not interested in 2+2 gossip.
>Sorry.

This is certainly a sorry post. I'm not sure how relevant
information from a reliable source qualifies as "gossip".


  
Date: 21 Dec 2008 06:25:58
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)
On Dec 21 2008 1:50 AM, ChrisRobin wrote:

>
> Unless Hawbaker has been reanimated, I'm not interested in 2+2 gossip.
> Sorry.

Amen brother. Those threads give me a headache.

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Date: 21 Dec 2008 09:28:20
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)
On Dec 21 2008 8:25 AM, Raider Fan wrote:

> > Unless Hawbaker has been reanimated, I'm not interested in 2+2 gossip.
> > Sorry.
>
> Amen brother. Those threads give me a headache.

And this is why RGP will never be anything useful as far as current online
poker news. 2+2 thread on how UB awards a pot in holdem to the wrong
people, and you idiots don't even bother to care.

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Date: 22 Dec 2008 03:26:01
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)
On Dec 21 2008 11:28 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

>
> And this is why RGP will never be anything useful as far as current online
> poker news. 2+2 thread on how UB awards a pot in holdem to the wrong
> people, and you idiots don't even bother to care.

Au contraire. As posted many times even in that thread, only idiots would
still be playing on that damn site. You have to go through 100 worthless
posts to get one good post. I'm more than happy to have somebody mention
the highlights here.

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Date: 22 Dec 2008 08:02:36
From: bgadams
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)
On Dec 22 2008 7:26 AM, Raider Fan wrote:

> On Dec 21 2008 11:28 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
> >
> > And this is why RGP will never be anything useful as far as current online
> > poker news. 2+2 thread on how UB awards a pot in holdem to the wrong
> > people, and you idiots don't even bother to care.
>
> Au contraire. As posted many times even in that thread, only idiots would
> still be playing on that damn site. You have to go through 100 worthless
> posts to get one good post. I'm more than happy to have somebody mention
> the highlights here.

I totally agree that you have to be an idiot to play there. The problem
is that when this type of thing happens, and gets discussed on national
media, it gives a bad name to internet poker in general and makes it even
more unlikely that the game will be "legitimatized".

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Date: 22 Dec 2008 16:21:30
From: bgadams
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)
On Dec 22 2008 12:02 PM, bgadams wrote:

> On Dec 22 2008 7:26 AM, Raider Fan wrote:
>
> > On Dec 21 2008 11:28 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > And this is why RGP will never be anything useful as far as current
online
> > > poker news. 2+2 thread on how UB awards a pot in holdem to the wrong
> > > people, and you idiots don't even bother to care.
> >
> > Au contraire. As posted many times even in that thread, only idiots would
> > still be playing on that damn site. You have to go through 100 worthless
> > posts to get one good post. I'm more than happy to have somebody mention
> > the highlights here.
>
> I totally agree that you have to be an idiot to play there. The problem
> is that when this type of thing happens, and gets discussed on national
> media, it gives a bad name to internet poker in general and makes it even
> more unlikely that the game will be "legitimatized".

legitimized? you know what i mean....... I'm from Georgia

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Date: 22 Dec 2008 07:06:30
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)
On Dec 22 2008 5:26 AM, Raider Fan wrote:

> Au contraire. As posted many times even in that thread, only idiots would
> still be playing on that damn site. You have to go through 100 worthless
> posts to get one good post. I'm more than happy to have somebody mention
> the highlights here.

Crap I didn't realize I replied to you, I thought I replied to ChrisRobin.
I didn't really mean to call you an idiot. No really!

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Date: 21 Dec 2008 09:05:45
From: mccard
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)

"Raider Fan" <raidersgotscrewed1@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:m80226xuju.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 21 2008 1:50 AM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
>>
>> Unless Hawbaker has been reanimated, I'm not interested in 2+2 gossip.
>> Sorry.
>
> Amen brother. Those threads give me a headache.
>
>
They broke the first UB scandal in a 2+2 tread.



 
Date: 20 Dec 2008 20:08:19
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)
On Dec 20 2008 2:17 PM, bgadams wrote:

> Interesting post on 2+2.........
>
>
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/ultimate-bet-wtf-hellmuth-has-worse-hand-but-pot-gets-shipped-him-anyway-369065/


and you guys thought the 'home field" advantage was big in hockey!!


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Date: 20 Dec 2008 12:48:46
From: Scott/sjakma
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)
On Dec 20 2008 3:17 PM, bgadams wrote:

> Interesting post on 2+2.........
>
>
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/ultimate-bet-wtf-hellmuth-has-worse-hand-but-pot-gets-shipped-him-anyway-369065/


Check out this image from that thread.

http://i41.tinypic.com/11ccndc.jpg

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Date: 20 Dec 2008 14:37:04
From: mccard
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)

"bgadams" <bob@bgadams.com > wrote in message
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> Interesting post on 2+2.........
>
> http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/ultimate-bet-wtf-hellmuth-has-worse-hand-but-pot-gets-shipped-him-anyway-369065/
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LOL Amanda Leatherman was interviewing Hellmuth early on in the Five
Diamonds tourney this week and he was going on and on about how much he was
winning at UB. Really getting his game together. Then his comment about
having his game "in-phase" that I remarked on here before. If "in-phase"
means having the software cheat for you then I guess he really was
"in-phase", lol.

P.S. Amanda interviewed Chino Rheems after his win and the girl really
"cleans up" nice. :)



  
Date: 20 Dec 2008 14:43:08
From: mccard
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)

"mccard" <no_won@no_won.none > wrote in message
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> "bgadams" <bob@bgadams.com> wrote in message
> news:1g0026xnmi.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> Interesting post on 2+2.........
>>
>> http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/ultimate-bet-wtf-hellmuth-has-worse-hand-but-pot-gets-shipped-him-anyway-369065/
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>
> LOL Amanda Leatherman was interviewing Hellmuth early on in the Five
> Diamonds tourney this week and he was going on and on about how much he
> was winning at UB. Really getting his game together. Then his comment
> about having his game "in-phase" that I remarked on here before. If
> "in-phase" means having the software cheat for you then I guess he really
> was "in-phase", lol.
>
> P.S. Amanda interviewed Chino Rheems after his win and the girl really
> "cleans up" nice. :)

His "streak" was over 7M in winnings, lol. I think someone set Phil up the
bomb.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/hellmuths-10-day-winning-streak-ub-365105/



 
Date: 20 Dec 2008 12:39:21
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Ultimate Bet WTF? (Hellmuth has worse hand, but pot gets shipped to him anyway)
On Dec 20 2008 3:17 PM, bgadams wrote:

> Interesting post on 2+2.........
>
>
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/ultimate-bet-wtf-hellmuth-has-worse-hand-but-pot-gets-shipped-him-anyway-369065/

Wow.

Fell
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