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Date: 18 Dec 2008 05:41:58
From: Lute
Subject: Trny Blues
NLHE trny events:

Online yesterday, mid-trny, 15 BB remaining in my stack, pkt 10-10 mid
pos, raised to 4 BB, get called by 4-4, flop is 9-6-4, all in, I lose.

B&M Trny 2 days ago, 51 entries, 9 players remaining, pays top 7. I
have about 15 BB. A-10 pre, 3BB, 1 caller with pkt 8-8. Flop A-10-6,
all in, called. Turn and river are diamonds, opponent flushes,
needing 4 diamonds on board to do it. I lose.

What made this more memorable is that the winner of that hand had more
than one-third the chips in play. It was a dame. She had steamrolled
through the trny, a deadly combination of respectable poker skills and
unrelenting luck.

In the preceding hand, she had just eliminated the #2 player who had
flopped a monster. (I don't recall the specifics.)

Somehow I just KNEW that I could not win against a lucky streak, but I
could not help myself. I keep repeating that I was short-stacked, had
the best hand when the chips went in (yes, she probably had odds to
call by then), would feel bad if I blinded out without ever getting
anything as good as A-10 again--- blah blah blah.

So I have checked myself in to the Obama Institute for Victims of
Never-Ending Close Losses in Poker Tourneys (OIVNECLIPT). I'm not
allowed to have anything sharp, and they've taken away my belt and
shoe-laces.

And my cards.




 
Date: 18 Dec 2008 13:14:39
From: Lute
Subject: Re: Trny Blues
On Dec 18, 11:42=A0am, "CincinnatiKid" <a1...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

> Raising to 4 BB's with only 15 BB's is pointless. That's a shove. Hell,
> they're both shoves. You may have gotten pocket 4's to fold preflop had i=
t
> been played correctly. Just sayin'.

Maybe so, but I DID want a call, not to scare anyone out. Yes, I'd
have called a re-raise to all in, but wanted to see a flop if
possible. Winning only the blinds with 10-10 would have been settling
for too little in that situation.

I knew I risked getting called by any higher pair, or A-K, but at the
same time, I did not want to open the door to 8-3 suited.

The flop vindicated me, except of course for the flopped set. I had
the board over-paired, there was no apparent draw, there was a
reasonably good pot, and with a post-flop all-in I could most likely
drive out (or beat) hands that might have made a speculative preflop
call.

The opponent got very lucky to hit a two-outer to a flop that I did
not need to hit.

I understand where you could disagree, but considering that I had to
make a move, and that I needed more than the blinds, I think that in
most cases, I would have taken the pot or even doubled up--- or else
been able to get away from the hand (with a flop like A-K-X or three-
of-a-suit not mine) and hope for a better (if faint) chance before
blinding out.

And by the way, I've always been very ready to admit whenever I've
been wrong--- and if I ever AM wrong I'll admit your mistake :)


 
Date: 18 Dec 2008 08:42:54
From: CincinnatiKid
Subject: Re: Trny Blues
On Dec 18 2008 8:41 AM, Lute wrote:

> NLHE trny events:
>
> Online yesterday, mid-trny, 15 BB remaining in my stack, pkt 10-10 mid
> pos, raised to 4 BB, get called by 4-4, flop is 9-6-4, all in, I lose.
>
> B&M Trny 2 days ago, 51 entries, 9 players remaining, pays top 7. I
> have about 15 BB. A-10 pre, 3BB, 1 caller with pkt 8-8. Flop A-10-6,
> all in, called. Turn and river are diamonds, opponent flushes,
> needing 4 diamonds on board to do it. I lose.
>
> What made this more memorable is that the winner of that hand had more
> than one-third the chips in play. It was a dame. She had steamrolled
> through the trny, a deadly combination of respectable poker skills and
> unrelenting luck.
>
> In the preceding hand, she had just eliminated the #2 player who had
> flopped a monster. (I don't recall the specifics.)
>
> Somehow I just KNEW that I could not win against a lucky streak, but I
> could not help myself. I keep repeating that I was short-stacked, had
> the best hand when the chips went in (yes, she probably had odds to
> call by then), would feel bad if I blinded out without ever getting
> anything as good as A-10 again--- blah blah blah.
>
> So I have checked myself in to the Obama Institute for Victims of
> Never-Ending Close Losses in Poker Tourneys (OIVNECLIPT). I'm not
> allowed to have anything sharp, and they've taken away my belt and
> shoe-laces.
>
> And my cards.

Raising to 4 BB's with only 15 BB's is pointless. That's a shove. Hell,
they're both shoves. You may have gotten pocket 4's to fold preflop had it
been played correctly. Just sayin'.

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Date: 18 Dec 2008 08:48:19
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Trny Blues
> Raising to 4 BB's with only 15 BB's is pointless. That's a shove. Hell,
> they're both shoves. You may have gotten pocket 4's to fold preflop had it
> been played correctly. Just sayin'.

This.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

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