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Date: 12 Jan 2009 08:34:58
From: thepixelfreak
Subject: Tourney structure question.

So the Snoqualmie Casino has been running two tourneys on the weekend.
Sat. is just a regular and Sun. is a bounty both at 11 am. Anyway, the
question is regarding the blind structure. Both cost $60 to buy in and
for that you get 4000 units. They usually fill 8 tables (ten seats) and
take 15 alternates.


The blinds increase every 15 minutes and increase as follows.

25-50
50-100
75-150
200-400
300-500
500-1000
1000-2000
2000-4000
5000-10000
10000-20000

Is this a normal blind structure and increase time for this sort of tourney?

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thepixelfreak





 
Date: 12 Jan 2009 10:57:06
From: CincinnatiKid
Subject: Re: Tourney structure question.
On Jan 12 2009 11:34 AM, thepixelfreak wrote:

> So the Snoqualmie Casino has been running two tourneys on the weekend.
> Sat. is just a regular and Sun. is a bounty both at 11 am. Anyway, the
> question is regarding the blind structure. Both cost $60 to buy in and
> for that you get 4000 units. They usually fill 8 tables (ten seats) and
> take 15 alternates.
>
>
> The blinds increase every 15 minutes and increase as follows.
>
> 25-50
> 50-100
> 75-150
> 200-400
> 300-500
> 500-1000
> 1000-2000
> 2000-4000
> 5000-10000
> 10000-20000
>
> Is this a normal blind structure and increase time for this sort of tourney?
>
> --
>
> thepixelfreak

Take that $60 to the craps table instead.

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 10:37:22
From: lvdlrs
Subject: Re: Tourney structure question.
On Jan 12 2009 11:34 AM, thepixelfreak wrote:

> So the Snoqualmie Casino has been running two tourneys on the weekend.
> Sat. is just a regular and Sun. is a bounty both at 11 am. Anyway, the
> question is regarding the blind structure. Both cost $60 to buy in and
> for that you get 4000 units. They usually fill 8 tables (ten seats) and
> take 15 alternates.
>
>
> The blinds increase every 15 minutes and increase as follows.
>
> 25-50
> 50-100
> 75-150
> 200-400
> 300-500
> 500-1000
> 1000-2000
> 2000-4000
> 5000-10000
> 10000-20000
>
> Is this a normal blind structure and increase time for this sort of tourney?

Most tournament structures double up only a few times. None I've seen,
until now, are more than double like the structure above. It's a big jump
from 75-150 to 200-400 and from 2000-4000 to 5000-10000. On a scale of 1
to 10 with 10 being the best this would be a 3.

15 min levels aren't great either. 20 minutes are a little better.

Gary (...) Philips

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 09:12:55
From: number6
Subject: Re: Tourney structure question.
On Jan 12, 11:34=A0am, thepixelfreak <n...@dot.com > wrote:
> So the Snoqualmie Casino has been running two tourneys on the weekend.
> Sat. is just a regular and Sun. is a bounty both at 11 am. Anyway, the
> question is regarding the blind structure. Both cost $60 to buy in and
> for that you get 4000 units. They usually fill 8 tables (ten seats) and
> take 15 alternates.
>
> The blinds increase every 15 minutes and increase as follows.
>
> 25-50
> 50-100
> 75-150
> 200-400
> 300-500
> 500-1000
> 1000-2000
> 2000-4000
> 5000-10000
> 10000-20000
>
> Is this a normal blind structure and increase time for this sort of tourn=
ey?
>

Seems rather fast ... That game will turn into a crap shoot very
quickly ... after an hour or so ... Very little good poker will
result ...



 
Date: 12 Jan 2009 09:06:11
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Tourney structure question.
On Jan 12, 11:34=A0am, thepixelfreak <n...@dot.com > wrote:
> So the Snoqualmie Casino has been running two tourneys on the weekend.
> Sat. is just a regular and Sun. is a bounty both at 11 am. Anyway, the
> question is regarding the blind structure. Both cost $60 to buy in and
> for that you get 4000 units. They usually fill 8 tables (ten seats) and
> take 15 alternates.
>
> The blinds increase every 15 minutes and increase as follows.
>
> 25-50 100% jump to next bb
> 50-100 50%
> 75-150 _over_ 100%, well over
> 200-400 25%
> 300-500 100%
> 500-1000 100%
> 1000-2000 100%
> 2000-4000 over 100%
> 5000-10000 100%
> 10000-20000
>
> Is this a normal blind structure and increase time for this sort of tourn=
ey?

It's pretty bizzare. The blind structure is extremely fast, even
ignoring the fact that the levels are much too short. With live
dealing, you don't get enough hands dealt to play fifteen-minute
levels. Tournament blinds tend to stop doubling after a fairly small
number of levels. Also, are there antes? Antes make it even faster,
although it is so fast right now that it doesn't matter much.

How much of the buy-in goes to the house and how much to the prize
pool? That's usually pretty important but, frankly, this looks like
something I would pass on under any circumstances.

pokertournamentformula.com has a handy tool for estimating how fast
tournaments will play and how much impact skill migh have on a
particular tournament. I didn't put this tournament through that tool
but I can guess it would come out much too fast and none.

--
Will in New Haven


  
Date: 12 Jan 2009 10:43:54
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Tourney structure question.
On Jan 12, 1:00=A0pm, thepixelfreak <n...@dot.com > wrote:

>
> it's 55 + 5 for the house.

This is the only good thing you've said about this tournament. Even
with the extra level that you left out, it's a horrible structure. And
the lack of antes is a two-edged sword. It does slow the game down
some, which is good. But it makes stealing less worthwhile, which is
very bad.


Still, that's only eight plus percent for the house. Which is very
good for a low buy-in tourney.

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Will in New Haven


  
Date: 12 Jan 2009 10:00:27
From: thepixelfreak
Subject: Re: Tourney structure question.
On 2009-01-12 09:06:11 -0800, Will in New Haven
<bill.reich@taylorandfrancis.com > said:

> On Jan 12, 11:34 am, thepixelfreak <n...@dot.com> wrote:
>> So the Snoqualmie Casino has been running two tourneys on the weekend.
>> Sat. is just a regular and Sun. is a bounty both at 11 am. Anyway, the
>> question is regarding the blind structure. Both cost $60 to buy in and
>> for that you get 4000 units. They usually fill 8 tables (ten seats) and
>> take 15 alternates.
>>
>> The blinds increase every 15 minutes and increase as follows.
>>
>> 25-50 100% jump to next bb
>> 50-100 50%
>> 75-150 _over_ 100%, well over
>> 200-400 25%
>> 300-500 100%
>> 500-1000 100%
>> 1000-2000 100%
>> 2000-4000 over 100%
>> 5000-10000 100%
>> 10000-20000
>>
>> Is this a normal blind structure and increase time for this sort of tourn
> ey?
>
> It's pretty bizzare. The blind structure is extremely fast, even
> ignoring the fact that the levels are much too short.

I missed one level of 100-200, even so I thought it was pretty fast too.

> With live
> dealing, you don't get enough hands dealt to play fifteen-minute
> levels. Tournament blinds tend to stop doubling after a fairly small
> number of levels. Also, are there antes? Antes make it even faster,
> although it is so fast right now that it doesn't matter much.

No antes

>
> How much of the buy-in goes to the house and how much to the prize
> pool?

it's 55 + 5 for the house.


> That's usually pretty important but, frankly, this looks like
> something I would pass on under any circumstances.

I felt that they should be giving more starting chips for this sort of
schedule. By the time we got down to 2 tables everyone on the table I
was playing at was short stacked (if you count less than 10x BB as
short stacked) by the 1000-2000 level. It was a pre-flop game at that
point.

>
> pokertournamentformula.com has a handy tool for estimating how fast
> tournaments will play and how much impact skill migh have on a
> particular tournament. I didn't put this tournament through that tool
> but I can guess it would come out much too fast and none.

Thanks for the link!


--

thepixelfreak



 
Date: 12 Jan 2009 09:04:28
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: Tourney structure question.
> So the Snoqualmie Casino has been running two tourneys on the weekend.
> Sat. is just a regular and Sun. is a bounty both at 11 am. Anyway, the
> question is regarding the blind structure. Both cost $60 to buy in and
> for that you get 4000 units. They usually fill 8 tables (ten seats) and
> take 15 alternates.
>
>
> The blinds increase every 15 minutes and increase as follows.
>
> 25-50
> 50-100
> 75-150
> 200-400
> 300-500
> 500-1000
> 1000-2000
> 2000-4000
> 5000-10000
> 10000-20000
>
> Is this a normal blind structure and increase time for this sort of tourney?

That's almost the same blind structure as the free bar tourney I play in
down the street. That one takes about 3 hours to complete with about 6
tables of 8 players. Seems about normal for a $60 tourney, it becomes a
pre-flop game after about an hour to an hour and a half. Luckily at my bar
tourney the players don't realize it's a pre-flop game and will happily
call off 20%+ of their stack pre-flop with weak aces and suited connectors.

Dean

"First of all, I cannot see Bookworm's post in my newsreader. Probably
just as well, he annoys the fuck out of me anyway." PP - Dec 29, 2008

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