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Date: 12 Jan 2009 13:18:13
From: mrtnfisher
Subject: Tourney Strategy Question
I won entry into Stars 80K daily tourney by placing in the top 5 of a
10,000 entrant freeroll (AKA donkfest). This tourney was easy as far
as what was my objective - clearly to place in the top 5.

OK, so now I enter the main tourney. There are about 3800 entrants
($50 + 5 buy-in), and obviously, much different players. The top 15%
make the $$$. The prize pool is about 200K. However, the payout at
place 585 (min to make the $) is only $96. Unfortunately, the $$
increases very insignificantly as you move up, until you get way up
there, like to the final two tables.

So my question is what is your stategy? I went in playing to make the $
$, then try to make the big $$ rather than just inch up the ladder.
However, playing this way, once I did make the money, I was too short-
stacked to make any significant run, and ended with the min. win.

I was not disappointed, as this was a freeroll for me, but how does
one balance making the money, vs. making a real showing?
The closer it got to the $$, the better and better hands I was folding
so as not to bubble out. HELP!!!!




 
Date: 12 Jan 2009 20:26:27
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Tourney Strategy Question
On Jan 12 2009 3:18 PM, mrtnfisher wrote:

> I won entry into Stars 80K daily tourney by placing in the top 5 of a
> 10,000 entrant freeroll (AKA donkfest). This tourney was easy as far
> as what was my objective - clearly to place in the top 5.
>
> OK, so now I enter the main tourney. There are about 3800 entrants
> ($50 + 5 buy-in), and obviously, much different players. The top 15%
> make the $$$. The prize pool is about 200K. However, the payout at
> place 585 (min to make the $) is only $96. Unfortunately, the $$
> increases very insignificantly as you move up, until you get way up
> there, like to the final two tables.
>
> So my question is what is your stategy? I went in playing to make the $
> $, then try to make the big $$ rather than just inch up the ladder.
> However, playing this way, once I did make the money, I was too short-
> stacked to make any significant run, and ended with the min. win.
>
> I was not disappointed, as this was a freeroll for me, but how does
> one balance making the money, vs. making a real showing?
> The closer it got to the $$, the better and better hands I was folding
> so as not to bubble out. HELP!!!!

As well written as this is , it appears that you have basically answered
your own question . It seems as though you limited your chances of winning
the tourny by settling for aiming at "placing in the money".

Russ's writing on this subject are absolutely excellent . people that wins
these things dont win them by playing to cash !!


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Date: 12 Jan 2009 17:45:38
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: Tourney Strategy Question
> The closer it got to the $$, the better and better hands I was folding
> so as not to bubble out. HELP!!!!

Russ has a good piece of advice here. It is better to win 1 tourney like
this than to just make the money dozens (or even hundreds) of times. You
should be playing to win.

So, you know the answer. When you get closer to the money you have to be
raising with those good hands rather than folding them. I love bubble time
with a medium stack or better. You can steal from both big and small
stacks. My general rule is that the BB NEVER sees a free flop if I'm in
the cut-off or BB when we get near the money and later. Of course, you
have to be taking notes to avoid the few calling stations still left. If
it's limped to me in the BB then I am very likely to go all-in (this
causes you to sometimes get a walk in the BB, which is golden).

This is not the same for satellites where the advice tight, tighter, and
tightest is generally the best way to play.

Dean

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just as well, he annoys the fuck out of me anyway." PP - Dec 29, 2008

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 13:47:10
From: CincinnatiKid
Subject: Re: Tourney Strategy Question
On Jan 12 2009 4:18 PM, mrtnfisher wrote:

> I won entry into Stars 80K daily tourney by placing in the top 5 of a
> 10,000 entrant freeroll (AKA donkfest). This tourney was easy as far
> as what was my objective - clearly to place in the top 5.
>
> OK, so now I enter the main tourney. There are about 3800 entrants
> ($50 + 5 buy-in), and obviously, much different players. The top 15%
> make the $$$. The prize pool is about 200K. However, the payout at
> place 585 (min to make the $) is only $96. Unfortunately, the $$
> increases very insignificantly as you move up, until you get way up
> there, like to the final two tables.
>
> So my question is what is your stategy? I went in playing to make the $
> $, then try to make the big $$ rather than just inch up the ladder.
> However, playing this way, once I did make the money, I was too short-
> stacked to make any significant run, and ended with the min. win.
>
> I was not disappointed, as this was a freeroll for me, but how does
> one balance making the money, vs. making a real showing?
> The closer it got to the $$, the better and better hands I was folding
> so as not to bubble out. HELP!!!!

Quit playing like a pussy.

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 13:32:32
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Tourney Strategy Question
On Jan 12 2009 3:18 PM, mrtnfisher wrote:

> I was not disappointed, as this was a freeroll for me, but how does
> one balance making the money, vs. making a real showing?
> The closer it got to the $$, the better and better hands I was folding
> so as not to bubble out. HELP!!!!

You just answered your own question.

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 20:28:20
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Tourney Strategy Question
On Jan 12 2009 3:32 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 12 2009 3:18 PM, mrtnfisher wrote:
>
> > I was not disappointed, as this was a freeroll for me, but how does
> > one balance making the money, vs. making a real showing?
> > The closer it got to the $$, the better and better hands I was folding
> > so as not to bubble out. HELP!!!!
>
> You just answered your own question.

man that is weird ! I always answer the OP , then go read what others
write . We actually have the same response

You are finally learning something
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
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Date: 12 Jan 2009 20:38:55
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Tourney Strategy Question
On Jan 12 2009 10:28 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> man that is weird ! I always answer the OP , then go read what others
> write . We actually have the same response
>
> You are finally learning something

Or you're finally paying attention?

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