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Date: 09 Dec 2008 20:31:12
From: Michael T.
Subject: Tournament players sitting out for > 1 hour --- Why?
Just for fun I tried several of "Freeroll" multi-table NLHE tournaments this
week.

What I noticed was very strange (on _ONLY_ one of the two sites I have been
using). I am hoping someone could enlighten me.

As an online player since 2003 I can usually figure out most things about
sports betting and poker that seem odd at first. But frankly this one has me
baffled.

WHY DO SO MANY PLAYERS REMAIN FOR EXTENDED PERIODS IN "SITOUT" STATUS?

Last night the blinds had increased many times over the course of the 1 1/2
hours - yet there were still 4-5 players "stuck" in sitout status. So
basically the game was 5 handed which is no fun!

I went back and checked another freeroll tournament today and witnessed the
same thing.

Your thoughts please.

MT

P.S.
Perhaps the innocent explanation is that they are simply collecting hand
histories free of charge as there is no entry fee for a freeroll. Hopefully
they are not using this info to program a poker bot <wry smile >.






 
Date: 10 Dec 2008 07:07:56
From: Auggie
Subject: Re: Tournament players sitting out for > 1 hour --- Why?

"Michael T." <anonymous@cox.net > wrote in message
news:fCH%k.4223$dm3.3533@newsfe02.iad...
>
> WHY DO SO MANY PLAYERS REMAIN FOR EXTENDED PERIODS IN "SITOUT" STATUS?
>
> Last night the blinds had increased many times over the course of the 1
1/2
> hours - yet there were still 4-5 players "stuck" in sitout status. So
> basically the game was 5 handed which is no fun!
>
> I went back and checked another freeroll tournament today and witnessed
the
> same thing.

They don't sit out for extended periods, its simple: they signed up for the
tournament and they aren't playing it.

On most sites you have to sign up for the freeroll tournaments 45-60 minutes
before they start.

So you will get people who will sign up and then go do something and not
come back (they go out, watch tv, go to sleep, go for dinner, etc)

Others will just sign up, start the tournament and push all in for the first
4 or 5 hands. If they still have chips they just sit out then and wait to
see where they end up.


For your overall comments I presume you are talking about PokerStars. What
you saw isn't really some strange fluke occurence: in most of the freerolls
probably 10-20% of the participants are sitting out and have no intention of
playing.

The sites know about this, but there isn't much they can do because they
don't know who is and who isn't going to come back. But what they have been
doing of late is moving the the time registration opens closer to the start
of the tournament... at Pokerstars most of the NLHE freerolls during the day
open about 30 minutes before they start. That might not sound "short" but
in the past it used to be 2 or more hours when you could register before the
tourney started. At FullTilt they have some freerolls that open for
registration in as little as 10 minutes before they start.

For your particular predicament the only viable options are going to be:
Not play in the freerolls
Play them and realise there isn't anything you can do about it
Work on your short handed poker game




 
Date: 09 Dec 2008 20:43:57
From: ramashiva
Subject: Re: Tournament players sitting out for > 1 hour --- Why?
On Dec 9, 8:31=A0pm, "Michael T." <anonym...@cox.net > wrote:
> Just for fun I tried several of "Freeroll" multi-table NLHE tournaments t=
his
> week.
>
> What I noticed was very strange (on _ONLY_ one of the two sites I have be=
en
> using). I am hoping someone could enlighten me.
>
> As an online player since 2003 I can usually figure out most things about
> sports betting and poker that seem odd at first. But frankly this one has=
me
> baffled.
>
> WHY DO SO MANY PLAYERS REMAIN FOR EXTENDED PERIODS IN "SITOUT" STATUS?
>
> Last night the blinds had increased many times over the course of the 1 1=
/2
> hours - yet there were still 4-5 players "stuck" in sitout status. So
> basically the game was 5 handed which is no fun!
>
> I went back and checked another freeroll tournament today and witnessed t=
he
> same thing.
>
> Your thoughts please.

WTF are you complaining about? They are blinding off their stacks to
the active players. Nothing juicier than having two or three players
to your immediate left sitting out.


William Coleman (ramashiva)


  
Date: 23 Dec 2008 21:28:44
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Tournament players sitting out for > 1 hour --- Why?
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Date: 23 Dec 2008 10:32:27
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Tournament players sitting out for > 1 hour --- Why?
And the beat goes on;)

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Date: 12 Dec 2008 10:59:07
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Tournament players sitting out for > 1 hour --- Why?
The cheatware is getting hard to find now That the Kawnawake Gambling
Commission exposed Absolete and Ultimate bet But There is a 60.1 and
a
7.0 in the makings


http://web.archive.org/web/20070217203558/www.powerpokersecrets.com/


http://www.dtdistributing.com/Poker_cheat_software-Pocket_Aces.html


Pokerpages did an artical on it A couple a weeks ago


http://www.pokerpages.com/poker-news/news/ultimate-bet-to-refund-151m...

And the rebuttle

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Date: 12 Dec 2008 00:16:12
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Tournament players sitting out for > 1 hour --- Why?
And the rebuttle

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Date: 12 Dec 2008 00:00:10
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Tournament players sitting out for > 1 hour --- Why?

The cheatware is getting hard to find now That the Kiawanias Gambling
Comission exposed Absolete and Ultimate bet But There is a 60.1 and a
7.0 in the makings

http://web.archive.org/web/20070217203558/www.powerpokersecrets.com/

http://www.dtdistributing.com/Poker_cheat_software-Pocket_Aces.html


Pokerpages did an artical on it A couple a weeks ago


http://www.pokerpages.com/poker-news/news/ultimate-bet-to-refund-151m-to-poker-players-affected-by-scandal-31257.htm


  
Date: 11 Dec 2008 23:45:31
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Tournament players sitting out for > 1 hour --- Why?
The cheatware is getting hard to find now That the Canadian Gambling
Comission exposed Absolete and Ultimate bet But There is a 60.1 and a
7.0 in the makings

http://web.archive.org/web/20070217203558/www.powerpokersecrets.com/


Pokerpages did an article on it not long ago



http://www.pokerpages.com/poker-news/news/ultimate-bet-to-refund-151m...


http://www.dtdistributing.com/Poker_cheat_software-Pocket_Aces.html







  
Date: 11 Dec 2008 23:36:57
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Tournament players sitting out for > 1 hour --- Why?


http://www.dtdistributing.com/Poker_cheat_software-Pocket_Aces.html


  
Date: 11 Dec 2008 23:32:37
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Tournament players sitting out for > 1 hour --- Why?
On Dec 12, 2:26=A0am, joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> The cheatware is getting hard to find now That the Canadian Gambling
> Comission exposed Absolete and Ultimate bet But There is a 60.1 and a
> 7.0 in the makings
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20070217203558/www.powerpokersecrets.com/
>
> Pokerpages did an article on it not long ago I'll fecth it for you BRB

http://www.pokerpages.com/poker-news/news/ultimate-bet-to-refund-151m-to-po=
ker-players-affected-by-scandal-31257.htm


  
Date: 11 Dec 2008 23:26:47
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Tournament players sitting out for > 1 hour --- Why?
The cheatware is getting hard to find now That the Canadian Gambling
Comission exposed Absolete and Ultimate bet But There is a 60.1 and a
7.0 in the makings

http://web.archive.org/web/20070217203558/www.powerpokersecrets.com/

Pokerpages did an article on it not long ago I'll fecth it for you BRB


  
Date: 10 Dec 2008 13:52:41
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: Tournament players sitting out for > 1 hour --- Why?

"ramashiva" <ramashiva@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:10ed22ef-59cd-4c01-a916-f5ddf3c5870b@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 9, 8:31 pm, "Michael T." <anonym...@cox.net > wrote:
> Just for fun I tried several of "Freeroll" multi-table NLHE tournaments
> this
> week.
>
> What I noticed was very strange (on _ONLY_ one of the two sites I have
> been
> using). I am hoping someone could enlighten me.
>
> As an online player since 2003 I can usually figure out most things about
> sports betting and poker that seem odd at first. But frankly this one has
> me
> baffled.
>
> WHY DO SO MANY PLAYERS REMAIN FOR EXTENDED PERIODS IN "SITOUT" STATUS?
>
> Last night the blinds had increased many times over the course of the 1
> 1/2
> hours - yet there were still 4-5 players "stuck" in sitout status. So
> basically the game was 5 handed which is no fun!
>
> I went back and checked another freeroll tournament today and witnessed
> the
> same thing.
>
> Your thoughts please.

WTF are you complaining about? They are blinding off their stacks to
the active players. Nothing juicier than having two or three players
to your immediate left sitting out.


William Coleman (ramashiva)

I totally agree. Most sites don't let freeroll players sit out for more
than 2 rounds without acting at least ONCE on their hand prior to sitting
out in the later rounds. If they acted on a hand, and then sat out, WHO
CARES?! Let them blind off. The only difference between them sitting out,
and folding every hand is that it's faster, and if they're on your LEFT, you
know that if no one raises ahead of you and you're on the button you have a
great chance to steal their blinds.


--
Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles




  
Date: 09 Dec 2008 22:29:13
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Tournament players sitting out for > 1 hour --- Why?
50% of the online gamblers use cheat software to pull them out of the
bogg especially the free rolls that wins them satellite seat in big
money buyins!! They usually play three or four sites at a time and
cant concentrate on multiple games at once!! Soo instead of loosing
their starting chips they wait till the game get close to blinding
them out this cuts down on the excessive time paying concentration!!
Then they jump in there and win either enough money at sit and gos
using cheat software to make their quota for the day!!

They will most likely be one of the 50% that cheats at online poker
just to get a satellite seat POCKET ACES and POKERRNG are a couple<I;-)


   
Date: 10 Dec 2008 10:18:16
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Tournament players sitting out for > 1 hour --- Why?
On Dec 10 2008 12:29 AM, joeturn wrote:

> 50% of the online gamblers use cheat software to pull them out of the
> bogg especially the free rolls that wins them satellite seat in big
> money buyins!! They usually play three or four sites at a time and
> cant concentrate on multiple games at once!! Soo instead of loosing
> their starting chips they wait till the game get close to blinding
> them out this cuts down on the excessive time paying concentration!!
> Then they jump in there and win either enough money at sit and gos
> using cheat software to make their quota for the day!!
>
> They will most likely be one of the 50% that cheats at online poker
> just to get a satellite seat POCKET ACES and POKERRNG are a couple<I;-)

You seem pretty cool, will you be my friend?

---
Morphy
xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 09:34:11
From: Aodhan
Subject: Re: Tournament players sitting out for > 1 hour --- Why?
Wow!! Really?? This is valuable information!! I will be a winning player
now!! Thanks for the information and the heads up!! Where can I get this
software that lets me cheat too??

On Dec 9 2008 11:29 PM, joeturn wrote:

> 50% of the online gamblers use cheat software to pull them out of the
> bogg especially the free rolls that wins them satellite seat in big
> money buyins!! They usually play three or four sites at a time and
> cant concentrate on multiple games at once!! Soo instead of loosing
> their starting chips they wait till the game get close to blinding
> them out this cuts down on the excessive time paying concentration!!
> Then they jump in there and win either enough money at sit and gos
> using cheat software to make their quota for the day!!
>
> They will most likely be one of the 50% that cheats at online poker
> just to get a satellite seat POCKET ACES and POKERRNG are a couple<I;-)

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Date: 09 Dec 2008 20:55:56
From: Michael T.
Subject: Re: Tournament players sitting out for > 1 hour --- Why?
"ramashiva" <ramashiva@earthlink.net > wrote:
>
> WTF are you complaining about?
> They are blinding off their stacks to
> the active players.
> Nothing juicier than having two
> or three players to your immediate
> left sitting out.
>
>William Coleman (ramashiva)

I agree with your point.

But some of us do not like to play 5-6 handed games - which is the net
effect when 4-5 players are sitting out. For a variety of reasons I want the
table to have 9-10 players - especially at the beginning of the tournament.




   
Date: 09 Dec 2008 21:20:55
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: Tournament players sitting out for > 1 hour --- Why?
On Dec 9 2008 8:55 PM, Michael T. wrote:

> "ramashiva" <ramashiva@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > WTF are you complaining about?
> > They are blinding off their stacks to
> > the active players.
> > Nothing juicier than having two
> > or three players to your immediate
> > left sitting out.
> >
> >William Coleman (ramashiva)
>
> I agree with your point.
>
> But some of us do not like to play 5-6 handed games - which is the net
> effect when 4-5 players are sitting out. For a variety of reasons I want the
> table to have 9-10 players - especially at the beginning of the tournament.

If they have been sitting out from the start and never sat back in, it is
likely they forgot they signed up and aren't even there (especially in a
freeroll).

Brew
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 21:24:05
From: Michael T.
Subject: Re: Tournament players sitting out for > 1 hour --- Why?
"brewmaster" <a163b@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
>
> If they have been sitting out from the start and never sat back in, it is
> likely they forgot they signed up and aren't even there (especially in a
> freeroll).
>
> Brew
> --

Seems plausible.

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