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Date: 12 Jan 2009 11:44:28
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Stars 50-50 tourneys-----Russ G
Until about two weeks ago, I never heard of these tourneys. Then I get
online and an RGP regular IM's me and asks me to finish a sit & go for
him, as he has to go. I said I had a compuer I could use. It was a $20
half win, half lose event. Yes, I won.

Then I went into the higher events. WTF? THough turbo's, it's like
everyone is playing with the rent money. Most of the time at least 30
minutes go by and still 10 handed. At least where they play 3 places,
players go broke on the first hand. This seldom happens on these
events.

These events are terrible and time consuming and most of the time end
up the same way with the blinds gigantic and rolling the dice.

Russ Georgiev

www.pokerunchecked.com
www.pokermafia.com
www.russgeorgiev.com




 
Date: 13 Jan 2009 06:11:44
From: StinkFist
Subject: Re: Stars 50-50 tourneys-----Russ G
On Jan 13, 1:00=A0am, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com >
wrote:
> They have a poker game that's great for a REAL POKER PLAYER where you
> start by being dealt one card. The name of the game is called Hole
> Card Stud. I won a fortune playing this game against old farmers in
> Montana in the 70s.

Of course you did.




 
Date: 13 Jan 2009 04:50:37
From: Deadmoney Walking
Subject: Re: Stars 50-50 tourneys-----Russ G
On Jan 12, 8:50=A0pm, "MrBookworm" <a825...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> > Hardly. =A0The structure encourages not playing. =A0The cooperative str=
ategies
> > are exciting things like two or more people not playing. =A0It's about =
ax
> > exciting as watching paint dry, and may actually require less skill.
>
> Very true, but I can play 5 at a time trying to see if I can make the
> money 10 times in a row. I've made 9/10 but never 10 yet.
>
> Dean
>
> "First of all, I cannot see Bookworm's post in my newsreader. Probably
> just as well, he annoys the fuck out of me anyway." PP - Dec 29, 2008
>
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I saw a pro and his friend playing in a sng last night where one man
had knocked out 6 people to start off before it got to 100/200. The
pro said he'd loved playing the bubble with the blinds so low. I said
"you'd play a deep stack double or nothing sng and propose an 8 way
deal."


 
Date: 12 Jan 2009 23:00:19
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stars 50-50 tourneys-----Russ G
They have a poker game that's great for a REAL POKER PLAYER where you
start by being dealt one card. The name of the game is called Hole
Card Stud. I won a fortune playing this game against old farmers in
Montana in the 70s. The game starts by the dealer stating the ante
then dealing one down card to each player. The player looks at his
card and ante's if he like it. Then, after everyone has either thrown
their card away or anteed, an up card is dealt. The game is now 5 card
stud, NL. Now, what cards do you think these old, tight farmers
played? Obviously, if they anteed, they'd have an Ace or King, with
the occasional Queen. I played every hand. I down card, 4 up cards.
You can find this town on the map. It's a small town called Malta,
Montana. It had the biggest game in Montana for a while. Two bars, one
hotel and two motels while I was there. Less than 1000 population.

All the farmers got rich from their farm land going up over the
decades. I won one of the bars, but sold it back for about 20 cents on
the dollar. It's about 200 miles north of Billings, on the highline.






On Jan 12, 2:05=EF=BF=BDpm, Deadmoney Walking <tbones...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 12, 4:21=EF=BF=BDpm, "bgadams" <b...@bgadams.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12 2009 3:44 PM, RussGeorg...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > > Until about two weeks ago, I never heard of these tourneys. Then I ge=
t
> > > online and an RGP regular IM's me and asks me to finish a sit & go fo=
r
> > > him, as he has to go. I said I had a compuer I could use. It was a $2=
0
> > > half win, half lose event. Yes, I won.
>
> > > Then I went into the higher events. WTF? THough turbo's, it's like
> > > everyone is playing with the rent money. Most of the time at least 30
> > > minutes go by and still 10 handed. At least where they play 3 places,
> > > players go broke on the first hand. This seldom happens on these
> > > events.
>
> > > These events are terrible and time consuming and most of the time end
> > > up the same way with the blinds gigantic and rolling the dice.
>
> > > Russ Georgiev
>
> > >www.pokerunchecked.com
> > >www.pokermafia.com
> > >www.russgeorgiev.com
>
> > I like them, although I play them on Cake which I think has weaker play=
ers
> > in general than Stars. =EF=BF=BDI also play a lot of regular SNG's. =EF=
=BF=BDDON's require
> > a little different strategy because it becomes a game of survival to th=
e
> > top 5, rather than a game of getting the most chips.
>
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Date: 12 Jan 2009 20:29:25
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: Stars 50-50 tourneys-----Russ G
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:44:28 -0800 (PST), "RussGeorgiev@aol.com"
<RussGeorgiev@aol.com > wrote:

>Until about two weeks ago, I never heard of these tourneys. Then I get
>online and an RGP regular IM's me and asks me to finish a sit & go for
>him, as he has to go. I said I had a compuer I could use. It was a $20
>half win, half lose event. Yes, I won.
>
>Then I went into the higher events. WTF? THough turbo's, it's like
>everyone is playing with the rent money. Most of the time at least 30
>minutes go by and still 10 handed. At least where they play 3 places,
>players go broke on the first hand. This seldom happens on these
>events.
>
>These events are terrible and time consuming and most of the time end
>up the same way with the blinds gigantic and rolling the dice.

I played one of these at a low buy-in, I think $5. Exactly the same
experience. A snooze-fest.


 
Date: 12 Jan 2009 19:58:18
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stars 50-50 tourneys-----Russ G
These were made for scamming, trust me. They weren't made for people
to play with any reasonable chance of winning however.







On Jan 12, 2:41=EF=BF=BDpm, "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none > wrote:
> <RussGeorg...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4039346b-9420-4cc8-b5e3-101f70d7a961@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Until about two weeks ago, I never heard of these tourneys. Then I get
> > online and an RGP regular IM's me and asks me to finish a sit & go for
> > him, as he has to go. I said I had a compuer I could use. It was a $20
> > half win, half lose event. Yes, I won.
>
> > Then I went into the higher events. WTF? THough turbo's, it's like
> > everyone is playing with the rent money. Most of the time at least 30
> > minutes go by and still 10 handed. At least where they play 3 places,
> > players go broke on the first hand. This seldom happens on these
> > events.
>
> > These events are terrible and time consuming and most of the time end
> > up the same way with the blinds gigantic and rolling the dice.
>
> The DON structure is about as close to fitting the n-person game (n>2)
> theory model as regular poker can get. =EF=BF=BDThe opportunities for dyn=
amic
> collusion, non-verbal negotiation, two and multi way instant alliances,
> double cross, double double cross, etc. are fantastic. =EF=BF=BDA bullies=
and
> bluffer's paradise, I would have thought you'd have been intrigued, Russ.



 
Date: 12 Jan 2009 16:13:20
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stars 50-50 tourneys-----Russ G
I'll sell you all the coffee you want at $2.57 a cup. And for that, I
put you back where you belong. You wear scoots?






On Jan 12, 1:58=EF=BF=BDpm, "Wayne Vinson" <a7a8...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 12 2009 3:35 PM, RussGeorg...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Damn Wayne. I'm going to have to raise your level a tad.
>
> That and $2.57 will get me a cup of coffee.
>
> Wayne Vinsonhttp://cardsharp.org/
> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com
>
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Date: 12 Jan 2009 16:41:02
From: mccard
Subject: Re: Stars 50-50 tourneys-----Russ G

<RussGeorgiev@aol.com > wrote in message
news:4039346b-9420-4cc8-b5e3-101f70d7a961@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> Until about two weeks ago, I never heard of these tourneys. Then I get
> online and an RGP regular IM's me and asks me to finish a sit & go for
> him, as he has to go. I said I had a compuer I could use. It was a $20
> half win, half lose event. Yes, I won.
>
> Then I went into the higher events. WTF? THough turbo's, it's like
> everyone is playing with the rent money. Most of the time at least 30
> minutes go by and still 10 handed. At least where they play 3 places,
> players go broke on the first hand. This seldom happens on these
> events.
>
> These events are terrible and time consuming and most of the time end
> up the same way with the blinds gigantic and rolling the dice.
>

The DON structure is about as close to fitting the n-person game (n >2)
theory model as regular poker can get. The opportunities for dynamic
collusion, non-verbal negotiation, two and multi way instant alliances,
double cross, double double cross, etc. are fantastic. A bullies and
bluffer's paradise, I would have thought you'd have been intrigued, Russ.



  
Date: 12 Jan 2009 14:49:08
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Stars 50-50 tourneys-----Russ G
> The DON structure is about as close to fitting the n-person game (n>2)
> theory model as regular poker can get. The opportunities for dynamic
> collusion, non-verbal negotiation, two and multi way instant alliances,
> double cross, double double cross, etc. are fantastic. A bullies and
> bluffer's paradise, I would have thought you'd have been intrigued, Russ.

Hardly. The structure encourages not playing. The cooperative strategies
are exciting things like two or more people not playing. It's about ax
exciting as watching paint dry, and may actually require less skill.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

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Date: 13 Jan 2009 16:58:50
From: mccard
Subject: Re: Stars 50-50 tourneys-----Russ G

"Wayne Vinson" <a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:40us36xuf6.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> The DON structure is about as close to fitting the n-person game (n>2)
>> theory model as regular poker can get. The opportunities for dynamic
>> collusion, non-verbal negotiation, two and multi way instant alliances,
>> double cross, double double cross, etc. are fantastic. A bullies and
>> bluffer's paradise, I would have thought you'd have been intrigued, Russ.
>
> Hardly. The structure encourages not playing. The cooperative strategies
> are exciting things like two or more people not playing. It's about ax
> exciting as watching paint dry, and may actually require less skill.
>
Just played a $10 NLHE DON. Last hand, shortie pushes and everyone at the
table calls and checks down to win. Yeah, no unspoken collusion or dynamic
alliances, lol.



   
Date: 12 Jan 2009 17:50:02
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: Stars 50-50 tourneys-----Russ G
> Hardly. The structure encourages not playing. The cooperative strategies
> are exciting things like two or more people not playing. It's about ax
> exciting as watching paint dry, and may actually require less skill.

Very true, but I can play 5 at a time trying to see if I can make the
money 10 times in a row. I've made 9/10 but never 10 yet.

Dean

"First of all, I cannot see Bookworm's post in my newsreader. Probably
just as well, he annoys the fuck out of me anyway." PP - Dec 29, 2008

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 14:05:13
From: Deadmoney Walking
Subject: Re: Stars 50-50 tourneys-----Russ G
On Jan 12, 4:21=A0pm, "bgadams" <b...@bgadams.com > wrote:
> On Jan 12 2009 3:44 PM, RussGeorg...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Until about two weeks ago, I never heard of these tourneys. Then I get
> > online and an RGP regular IM's me and asks me to finish a sit & go for
> > him, as he has to go. I said I had a compuer I could use. It was a $20
> > half win, half lose event. Yes, I won.
>
> > Then I went into the higher events. WTF? THough turbo's, it's like
> > everyone is playing with the rent money. Most of the time at least 30
> > minutes go by and still 10 handed. At least where they play 3 places,
> > players go broke on the first hand. This seldom happens on these
> > events.
>
> > These events are terrible and time consuming and most of the time end
> > up the same way with the blinds gigantic and rolling the dice.
>
> > Russ Georgiev
>
> >www.pokerunchecked.com
> >www.pokermafia.com
> >www.russgeorgiev.com
>
> I like them, although I play them on Cake which I think has weaker player=
s
> in general than Stars. =A0I also play a lot of regular SNG's. =A0DON's re=
quire
> a little different strategy because it becomes a game of survival to the
> top 5, rather than a game of getting the most chips.
>
> ____________________________________________________________________=A0
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How many years before they offer heads up Sngs where you only get one
card.


 
Date: 12 Jan 2009 12:58:11
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Stars 50-50 tourneys-----Russ G
I can win at other things, but not these. They make me crazy. Only place
were everybody limps with big pairs.

On Jan 12 2009 1:44 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:

> Until about two weeks ago, I never heard of these tourneys. Then I get
> online and an RGP regular IM's me and asks me to finish a sit & go for
> him, as he has to go. I said I had a compuer I could use. It was a $20
> half win, half lose event. Yes, I won.
>
> Then I went into the higher events. WTF? THough turbo's, it's like
> everyone is playing with the rent money. Most of the time at least 30
> minutes go by and still 10 handed. At least where they play 3 places,
> players go broke on the first hand. This seldom happens on these
> events.
>
> These events are terrible and time consuming and most of the time end
> up the same way with the blinds gigantic and rolling the dice.
>
> Russ Georgiev
>
> www.pokerunchecked.com
> www.pokermafia.com
> www.russgeorgiev.com


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Date: 12 Jan 2009 13:35:11
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stars 50-50 tourneys-----Russ G
Damn Wayne. I'm going to have to raise your level a tad.


.On Jan 12, 12:20=EF=BF=BDpm, "Wayne Vinson" <a7a8...@webnntp.invalid > wrot=
e:
> On Jan 12 2009 1:44 PM, RussGeorg...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Until about two weeks ago, I never heard of these tourneys. Then I get
> > online and an RGP regular IM's me and asks me to finish a sit & go for
> > him, as he has to go. I said I had a compuer I could use. It was a $20
> > half win, half lose event. Yes, I won.
>
> > Then I went into the higher events. WTF? THough turbo's, it's like
> > everyone is playing with the rent money. Most of the time at least 30
> > minutes go by and still 10 handed. At least where they play 3 places,
> > players go broke on the first hand. This seldom happens on these
> > events.
>
> > These events are terrible and time consuming and most of the time end
> > up the same way with the blinds gigantic and rolling the dice.
>
> > Russ Georgiev
>
> >www.pokerunchecked.com
> >www.pokermafia.com
> >www.russgeorgiev.com
>
> I looked into these myself, and I agree. =EF=BF=BDEven at the smallest st=
akes it
> usually was at least 8 handed at the point where the blinds made it a cra=
p
> shoot.
>
> Horrible structure. =EF=BF=BDI think just as a general principle that the=
farther
> a tournament gets from being a straight freezeout, the worse it is.
>
> Wayne Vinsonhttp://cardsharp.org/
> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com
>
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Date: 13 Jan 2009 05:57:35
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: Stars 50-50 tourneys-----Russ G

<RussGeorgiev@aol.com > wrote in message
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Damn Wayne. I'm going to have to raise your level a tad.


.On Jan 12, 12:20?pm, "Wayne Vinson" <a7a8...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 12 2009 1:44 PM, RussGeorg...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Until about two weeks ago, I never heard of these tourneys. Then I get
> > online and an RGP regular IM's me and asks me to finish a sit & go for
> > him, as he has to go. I said I had a compuer I could use. It was a $20
> > half win, half lose event. Yes, I won.
>
> > Then I went into the higher events. WTF? THough turbo's, it's like
> > everyone is playing with the rent money. Most of the time at least 30
> > minutes go by and still 10 handed. At least where they play 3 places,
> > players go broke on the first hand. This seldom happens on these
> > events.
>
> > These events are terrible and time consuming and most of the time end
> > up the same way with the blinds gigantic and rolling the dice.
>
> > Russ Georgiev

>
> >www.pokerunchecked.com
> >www.pokermafia.com
> >www.russgeorgiev.com
>
> I looked into these myself, and I agree. ?Even at the smallest stakes it
> usually was at least 8 handed at the point where the blinds made it a crap
> shoot.

Well, the $1 and $5 ones I have played in weren't quite that bad, it wasn't
until there were just 7 left!


>
> Horrible structure. ?I think just as a general principle that the farther
> a tournament gets from being a straight freezeout, the worse it is.
>
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Date: 12 Jan 2009 13:58:47
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Stars 50-50 tourneys-----Russ G
On Jan 12 2009 3:35 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:

> Damn Wayne. I'm going to have to raise your level a tad.

That and $2.57 will get me a cup of coffee.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 13:21:56
From: bgadams
Subject: Re: Stars 50-50 tourneys-----Russ G
On Jan 12 2009 3:44 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:

> Until about two weeks ago, I never heard of these tourneys. Then I get
> online and an RGP regular IM's me and asks me to finish a sit & go for
> him, as he has to go. I said I had a compuer I could use. It was a $20
> half win, half lose event. Yes, I won.
>
> Then I went into the higher events. WTF? THough turbo's, it's like
> everyone is playing with the rent money. Most of the time at least 30
> minutes go by and still 10 handed. At least where they play 3 places,
> players go broke on the first hand. This seldom happens on these
> events.
>
> These events are terrible and time consuming and most of the time end
> up the same way with the blinds gigantic and rolling the dice.
>
> Russ Georgiev
>
> www.pokerunchecked.com
> www.pokermafia.com
> www.russgeorgiev.com

I like them, although I play them on Cake which I think has weaker players
in general than Stars. I also play a lot of regular SNG's. DON's require
a little different strategy because it becomes a game of survival to the
top 5, rather than a game of getting the most chips.

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 12:20:57
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Stars 50-50 tourneys-----Russ G
On Jan 12 2009 1:44 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:

> Until about two weeks ago, I never heard of these tourneys. Then I get
> online and an RGP regular IM's me and asks me to finish a sit & go for
> him, as he has to go. I said I had a compuer I could use. It was a $20
> half win, half lose event. Yes, I won.
>
> Then I went into the higher events. WTF? THough turbo's, it's like
> everyone is playing with the rent money. Most of the time at least 30
> minutes go by and still 10 handed. At least where they play 3 places,
> players go broke on the first hand. This seldom happens on these
> events.
>
> These events are terrible and time consuming and most of the time end
> up the same way with the blinds gigantic and rolling the dice.
>
> Russ Georgiev
>
> www.pokerunchecked.com
> www.pokermafia.com
> www.russgeorgiev.com

I looked into these myself, and I agree. Even at the smallest stakes it
usually was at least 8 handed at the point where the blinds made it a crap
shoot.

Horrible structure. I think just as a general principle that the farther
a tournament gets from being a straight freezeout, the worse it is.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

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