pokerfied.com
Promoting poker discussions.

Main
Date: 23 Jan 2009 07:50:30
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Something you don't see every day
I was playing limit holdem on Stars this morning, and the following
happened:

my hole cards were aces
board came ace high, three of a suit
turn made me a boat (just for doggy)
river was irrelevant, and I win the pot having bet the whole way through

next hand,

same thing in all particulars.

That's an astronomically bizarre and unlikely occurrence. I've never seen
an honest deck do anything like it. Almost like stars ran the same script
twice. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that's exactly what
happened.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

------ 
looking for a better newsgroup-reader? - www.recgroups.com






 
Date: 25 Jan 2009 06:32:44
From: Bazzer Smith
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day

"Wayne Vinson" <a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:6j5p46xt4v.ln2@recgroups.com...
>I was playing limit holdem on Stars this morning, and the following
> happened:
>
> my hole cards were aces
> board came ace high, three of a suit
> turn made me a boat (just for doggy)
> river was irrelevant, and I win the pot having bet the whole way through
>
> next hand,
>
> same thing in all particulars.
>
> That's an astronomically bizarre and unlikely occurrence. I've never seen
> an honest deck do anything like it. Almost like stars ran the same script
> twice. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that's exactly what
> happened.
>
> Wayne Vinson
> http://cardsharp.org/
> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com
>
> ------
> looking for a better newsgroup-reader? - www.recgroups.com
>
>

Pair of aces 221-1?
Flop 3 of same suit about 18 -1?
One being an ace 4-1?
Making a boat on turn? 8-1?
127296-1.
However. I said before the first hand it would occur it would be
16,204,271,616-1

Figures are approximate, might have made an error
[ not that likely though :O) ]

Of course it would be equally likely that say you had a pair of 5's and it
flopped a straight draw eg 456 or what ever or any of several 'good' hands.
So one of them wil come in eventally..


However it's all rigged and they do that for a laugh.

On the other side of the coin if you played a million hands and such a thing
never happened you could say it was rigged cos it sould have hapened 10
times or so.





 
Date: 24 Jan 2009 06:08:16
From: Jerry Sturdivant
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day


Yesterday I went all in with my AK suited against Ten Ten.



The board turned up T-A-K-T-A.



His four tens beat my aces full of kings.


Jerry 'n Vegas




  
Date: 25 Jan 2009 06:19:58
From: Bazzer Smith
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day

"Jerry Sturdivant" <jerryst@cox.net > wrote in message
news:OjFel.27799$u14.18381@newsfe21.iad...
>
>
> Yesterday I went all in with my AK suited against Ten Ten.
>
>
>
> The board turned up T-A-K-T-A.
>
>
>
> His four tens beat my aces full of kings.

They usually do.

>
>
> Jerry 'n Vegas
>
>




 
Date: 23 Jan 2009 22:07:12
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:50:30 -0800, "Wayne Vinson"
<a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>I was playing limit holdem on Stars this morning, and the following
>happened:
>
>my hole cards were aces
>board came ace high, three of a suit
>turn made me a boat (just for doggy)
>river was irrelevant, and I win the pot having bet the whole way through
>
>next hand,
>
>same thing in all particulars.
>
>That's an astronomically bizarre and unlikely occurrence. I've never seen
>an honest deck do anything like it. Almost like stars ran the same script
>twice. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that's exactly what
>happened.

HHs or it didn't happen.


 
Date: 23 Jan 2009 14:55:51
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
THE ODDS ARE 220000 TO 1
On Jan 23 2009 10:50 AM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> I was playing limit holdem on Stars this morning, and the following
> happened:
>
> my hole cards were aces
> board came ace high, three of a suit
> turn made me a boat (just for doggy)
> river was irrelevant, and I win the pot having bet the whole way through
>
> next hand,
>
> same thing in all particulars.
>
> That's an astronomically bizarre and unlikely occurrence. I've never seen
> an honest deck do anything like it. Almost like stars ran the same script
> twice. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that's exactly what
> happened.
>
> Wayne Vinson
> http://cardsharp.org/
> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com


Atheism is drawing dead

------ 
* kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com



 
Date: 23 Jan 2009 12:07:45
From: Jason Pawloski
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 8:50 AM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> I was playing limit holdem on Stars this morning, and the following
> happened:
>
> my hole cards were aces
> board came ace high, three of a suit
> turn made me a boat (just for doggy)
> river was irrelevant, and I win the pot having bet the whole way through
>
> next hand,
>
> same thing in all particulars.
>
> That's an astronomically bizarre and unlikely occurrence. I've never seen
> an honest deck do anything like it. Almost like stars ran the same script
> twice. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that's exactly what
> happened.
>
> Wayne Vinson
> http://cardsharp.org/
> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

If I take two consecutive hands at random, and look at the odds that those
two hands occur consecutively(even with keeping suite symmetry as you have
above), you always end up with a huge number against. That isn't an
argument against it happening. It's an argument for the vast number of
possible hands in poker.

The fact that this happened with a hand that has special meaning to us
humans (aces with a flopped set with a turned boat) doesn't get me all
that excited, to be honest with you.

--
"Actually, I will read Jason's posts too. He's smart also." - Paul
Popinjay, 10/21/2007 (http://tinyurl.com/4bggyp)

----- 
* kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com



 
Date: 23 Jan 2009 10:54:12
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
Hand histories?

On Jan 23 2009 9:50 AM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> I was playing limit holdem on Stars this morning, and the following
> happened:
>
> my hole cards were aces
> board came ace high, three of a suit
> turn made me a boat (just for doggy)
> river was irrelevant, and I win the pot having bet the whole way through
>
> next hand,
>
> same thing in all particulars.
>
> That's an astronomically bizarre and unlikely occurrence. I've never seen
> an honest deck do anything like it. Almost like stars ran the same script
> twice. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that's exactly what
> happened.
>
> Wayne Vinson
> http://cardsharp.org/
> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

-------- 
looking for a better newsgroup-reader? - www.recgroups.com




  
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:03:30
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 12:54 PM, Will_gamble wrote:

> Hand histories?
>
> On Jan 23 2009 9:50 AM, Wayne Vinson wrote:
>
> > I was playing limit holdem on Stars this morning, and the following
> > happened:
> >
> > my hole cards were aces
> > board came ace high, three of a suit
> > turn made me a boat (just for doggy)
> > river was irrelevant, and I win the pot having bet the whole way through
> >
> > next hand,
> >
> > same thing in all particulars.
> >
> > That's an astronomically bizarre and unlikely occurrence. I've never seen
> > an honest deck do anything like it. Almost like stars ran the same script
> > twice. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that's exactly what
> > happened.
> >
> > Wayne Vinson
> > http://cardsharp.org/
> > Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

I'm poking around for them. I was running pokerstars under Wine, so I'm
not exactly sure where it put them.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

____________________________________________________________________ 
: the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com



   
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:05:49
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 1:03 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> I'm poking around for them. I was running pokerstars under Wine, so I'm
> not exactly sure where it put them.

I don't think it saves them by default. You might be better off
requesting them from within the Stars client.

---
Morphy
xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
http://www.donkeymanifesto.com

"I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz

"It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra

--- 
RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com




    
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:11:20
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 1:05 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 23 2009 1:03 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:
>
> > I'm poking around for them. I was running pokerstars under Wine, so I'm
> > not exactly sure where it put them.
>
> I don't think it saves them by default. You might be better off
> requesting them from within the Stars client.
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra

On top of it. C'n'Paste from the email from Stars:

*********** # 42 **************
PokerStars Game #24191088909: Hold'em Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/23
10:33:24 ET
Table 'Echepolos' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: hrt898 ($1.56 in chips)
Seat 2: SplawnDarts ($2.09 in chips)
Seat 3: pokerbuck666 ($5.07 in chips)
Seat 5: MAC BULLY ($4.18 in chips)
Seat 6: useurtool ($2.53 in chips)
useurtool: posts small blind $0.02
hrt898: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SplawnDarts [Ah Ac]
SplawnDarts: raises $0.05 to $0.10
pokerbuck666: folds
MAC BULLY: folds
useurtool: calls $0.08
hrt898: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kd 8d Ad]
pokerbuck666 leaves the table
useurtool: checks
SplawnDarts: bets $0.05
useurtool: calls $0.05
*** TURN *** [Kd 8d Ad] [Kc]
useurtool: checks
SplawnDarts: bets $0.10
useurtool: calls $0.10
*** RIVER *** [Kd 8d Ad Kc] [7d]
useurtool: checks
SplawnDarts: bets $0.10
useurtool: calls $0.10
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SplawnDarts: shows [Ah Ac] (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
useurtool: mucks hand
SplawnDarts collected $0.72 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.75


     
Date: 23 Jan 2009 15:37:52
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 2:11 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> On Jan 23 2009 1:05 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
> > On Jan 23 2009 1:03 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:
> >
> > > I'm poking around for them. I was running pokerstars under Wine, so I'm
> > > not exactly sure where it put them.
> >
> > I don't think it saves them by default. You might be better off
> > requesting them from within the Stars client.
> >
> > ---
> > Morphy
> > xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> > http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> >
> > "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
> >
> > "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> > obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
> On top of it. C'n'Paste from the email from Stars:
>
> *********** # 42 **************
> PokerStars Game #24191088909: Hold'em Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/23
> 10:33:24 ET
> Table 'Echepolos' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
> Seat 1: hrt898 ($1.56 in chips)
> Seat 2: SplawnDarts ($2.09 in chips)
> Seat 3: pokerbuck666 ($5.07 in chips)
> Seat 5: MAC BULLY ($4.18 in chips)
> Seat 6: useurtool ($2.53 in chips)
> useurtool: posts small blind $0.02
> hrt898: posts big blind $0.05
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to SplawnDarts [Ah Ac]
> SplawnDarts: raises $0.05 to $0.10
> pokerbuck666: folds
> MAC BULLY: folds
> useurtool: calls $0.08
> hrt898: folds
> *** FLOP *** [Kd 8d Ad]
> pokerbuck666 leaves the table
> useurtool: checks
> SplawnDarts: bets $0.05
> useurtool: calls $0.05
> *** TURN *** [Kd 8d Ad] [Kc]
> useurtool: checks
> SplawnDarts: bets $0.10
> useurtool: calls $0.10
> *** RIVER *** [Kd 8d Ad Kc] [7d]
> useurtool: checks
> SplawnDarts: bets $0.10
> useurtool: calls $0.10
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> SplawnDarts: shows [Ah Ac] (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
> useurtool: mucks hand
> SplawnDarts collected $0.72 from pot
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot $0.75


      
Date: 23 Jan 2009 16:07:16
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 5:37 PM, FellKnight wrote:

> On Jan 23 2009 2:11 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:
>
> > On Jan 23 2009 1:05 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 23 2009 1:03 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm poking around for them. I was running pokerstars under Wine, so
I'm
> > > > not exactly sure where it put them.
> > >
> > > I don't think it saves them by default. You might be better off
> > > requesting them from within the Stars client.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Morphy
> > > xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> > > http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> > >
> > > "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
> > >
> > > "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> > > obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
> >
> > On top of it. C'n'Paste from the email from Stars:
> >
> > *********** # 42 **************
> > PokerStars Game #24191088909: Hold'em Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/23
> > 10:33:24 ET
> > Table 'Echepolos' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
> > Seat 1: hrt898 ($1.56 in chips)
> > Seat 2: SplawnDarts ($2.09 in chips)
> > Seat 3: pokerbuck666 ($5.07 in chips)
> > Seat 5: MAC BULLY ($4.18 in chips)
> > Seat 6: useurtool ($2.53 in chips)
> > useurtool: posts small blind $0.02
> > hrt898: posts big blind $0.05
> > *** HOLE CARDS ***
> > Dealt to SplawnDarts [Ah Ac]
> > SplawnDarts: raises $0.05 to $0.10
> > pokerbuck666: folds
> > MAC BULLY: folds
> > useurtool: calls $0.08
> > hrt898: folds
> > *** FLOP *** [Kd 8d Ad]
> > pokerbuck666 leaves the table
> > useurtool: checks
> > SplawnDarts: bets $0.05
> > useurtool: calls $0.05
> > *** TURN *** [Kd 8d Ad] [Kc]
> > useurtool: checks
> > SplawnDarts: bets $0.10
> > useurtool: calls $0.10
> > *** RIVER *** [Kd 8d Ad Kc] [7d]
> > useurtool: checks
> > SplawnDarts: bets $0.10
> > useurtool: calls $0.10
> > *** SHOW DOWN ***
> > SplawnDarts: shows [Ah Ac] (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
> > useurtool: mucks hand
> > SplawnDarts collected $0.72 from pot
> > *** SUMMARY ***
> > Total pot $0.75


       
Date: 23 Jan 2009 16:17:37
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 7:07 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> On Jan 23 2009 5:37 PM, FellKnight wrote:
>
> > On Jan 23 2009 2:11 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 23 2009 1:05 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Jan 23 2009 1:03 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'm poking around for them. I was running pokerstars under Wine, so
> I'm
> > > > > not exactly sure where it put them.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think it saves them by default. You might be better off
> > > > requesting them from within the Stars client.
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Morphy
> > > > xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> > > > http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> > > >
> > > > "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
> > > >
> > > > "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> > > > obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
> > >
> > > On top of it. C'n'Paste from the email from Stars:
> > >
> > > *********** # 42 **************
> > > PokerStars Game #24191088909: Hold'em Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/23
> > > 10:33:24 ET
> > > Table 'Echepolos' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
> > > Seat 1: hrt898 ($1.56 in chips)
> > > Seat 2: SplawnDarts ($2.09 in chips)
> > > Seat 3: pokerbuck666 ($5.07 in chips)
> > > Seat 5: MAC BULLY ($4.18 in chips)
> > > Seat 6: useurtool ($2.53 in chips)
> > > useurtool: posts small blind $0.02
> > > hrt898: posts big blind $0.05
> > > *** HOLE CARDS ***
> > > Dealt to SplawnDarts [Ah Ac]
> > > SplawnDarts: raises $0.05 to $0.10
> > > pokerbuck666: folds
> > > MAC BULLY: folds
> > > useurtool: calls $0.08
> > > hrt898: folds
> > > *** FLOP *** [Kd 8d Ad]
> > > pokerbuck666 leaves the table
> > > useurtool: checks
> > > SplawnDarts: bets $0.05
> > > useurtool: calls $0.05
> > > *** TURN *** [Kd 8d Ad] [Kc]
> > > useurtool: checks
> > > SplawnDarts: bets $0.10
> > > useurtool: calls $0.10
> > > *** RIVER *** [Kd 8d Ad Kc] [7d]
> > > useurtool: checks
> > > SplawnDarts: bets $0.10
> > > useurtool: calls $0.10
> > > *** SHOW DOWN ***
> > > SplawnDarts: shows [Ah Ac] (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
> > > useurtool: mucks hand
> > > SplawnDarts collected $0.72 from pot
> > > *** SUMMARY ***
> > > Total pot $0.75


        
Date: 23 Jan 2009 17:29:40
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 6:17 PM, FellKnight wrote:

> On Jan 23 2009 7:07 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:
>
> > On Jan 23 2009 5:37 PM, FellKnight wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 23 2009 2:11 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Jan 23 2009 1:05 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Jan 23 2009 1:03 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm poking around for them. I was running pokerstars under Wine,
so
> > I'm
> > > > > > not exactly sure where it put them.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think it saves them by default. You might be better off
> > > > > requesting them from within the Stars client.
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > > Morphy
> > > > > xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> > > > > http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> > > > >
> > > > > "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
> > > > >
> > > > > "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> > > > > obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
> > > >
> > > > On top of it. C'n'Paste from the email from Stars:
> > > >
> > > > *********** # 42 **************
> > > > PokerStars Game #24191088909: Hold'em Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/23
> > > > 10:33:24 ET
> > > > Table 'Echepolos' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
> > > > Seat 1: hrt898 ($1.56 in chips)
> > > > Seat 2: SplawnDarts ($2.09 in chips)
> > > > Seat 3: pokerbuck666 ($5.07 in chips)
> > > > Seat 5: MAC BULLY ($4.18 in chips)
> > > > Seat 6: useurtool ($2.53 in chips)
> > > > useurtool: posts small blind $0.02
> > > > hrt898: posts big blind $0.05
> > > > *** HOLE CARDS ***
> > > > Dealt to SplawnDarts [Ah Ac]
> > > > SplawnDarts: raises $0.05 to $0.10
> > > > pokerbuck666: folds
> > > > MAC BULLY: folds
> > > > useurtool: calls $0.08
> > > > hrt898: folds
> > > > *** FLOP *** [Kd 8d Ad]
> > > > pokerbuck666 leaves the table
> > > > useurtool: checks
> > > > SplawnDarts: bets $0.05
> > > > useurtool: calls $0.05
> > > > *** TURN *** [Kd 8d Ad] [Kc]
> > > > useurtool: checks
> > > > SplawnDarts: bets $0.10
> > > > useurtool: calls $0.10
> > > > *** RIVER *** [Kd 8d Ad Kc] [7d]
> > > > useurtool: checks
> > > > SplawnDarts: bets $0.10
> > > > useurtool: calls $0.10
> > > > *** SHOW DOWN ***
> > > > SplawnDarts: shows [Ah Ac] (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
> > > > useurtool: mucks hand
> > > > SplawnDarts collected $0.72 from pot
> > > > *** SUMMARY ***
> > > > Total pot $0.75


         
Date: 23 Jan 2009 22:09:47
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:29:40 -0800, "Wayne Vinson"
<a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

Oh, HHs. Wow.

Hmm. If it happened, it's certainly enough to raise an eyebrow over.

Anyone checked these?


     
Date: 23 Jan 2009 14:37:59
From: Mark B [Diputsur]
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day

"Wayne Vinson" <a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:obhp46xse1.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 23 2009 1:05 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On top of it. C'n'Paste from the email from Stars:
>
> *********** # 42 **************
> PokerStars Game #24191088909: Hold'em Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/23
> *********** # 44 **************
> PokerStars Game #24191075125: Hold'em Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/23

were you multi-tabling? (where's hand 43?)

Stars dealt 13,784 hands in the 35 seconds between these two...
impressive! Who said online poker is dead? =)




      
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:53:03
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 1:37 PM, Mark B [Diputsur] wrote:

> "Wayne Vinson" <a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:obhp46xse1.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Jan 23 2009 1:05 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
> > On top of it. C'n'Paste from the email from Stars:
> >
> > *********** # 42 **************
> > PokerStars Game #24191088909: Hold'em Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/23
> > *********** # 44 **************
> > PokerStars Game #24191075125: Hold'em Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/23
>
> were you multi-tabling? (where's hand 43?)
>
> Stars dealt 13,784 hands in the 35 seconds between these two...
> impressive! Who said online poker is dead? =)

Yes. I had a second table open. The hand history says I folded Jh8h UTG
on the other table. I don't remember it, but presumably I did it on
autopilot.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

-------- 
* kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com



     
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:35:56
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
> Board [Kd 8d Ad Kc 7d]
> Seat 1: hrt898 (big blind) folded before Flop
> Seat 2: SplawnDarts showed [Ah Ac] and won ($0.72) with a full house, Aces

> Board [Ad Qd 7d 7c 9d]
> Seat 1: hrt898 folded on the Flop
> Seat 2: SplawnDarts collected ($0.62)

It's something you don't see everyday, but doesn't surprise me. Getting
the same hand twice in a row isn't that strange. Flopping a set with a
same suited board twice in a row is quite a bit more strange (seems I
always flop sets when the flop is all the same suit). Combining them is a
little more strange, but I'm not sure where you come up with 1 in 29
billion. Stars is around 2.5 billion hands dealt.

Dean

"First of all, I cannot see Bookworm's post in my newsreader. Probably
just as well, he annoys the fuck out of me anyway." PP - Dec 29, 2008

--- 
: the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com



      
Date: 23 Jan 2009 14:45:49
From: Mark B [Diputsur]
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day

"MrBookworm" <a825b33@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:spip46xdk1.ln2@recgroups.com...

> It's something you don't see everyday, but doesn't surprise me. Getting
> the same hand twice in a row isn't that strange. Flopping a set with a
> same suited board twice in a row is quite a bit more strange (seems I
> always flop sets when the flop is all the same suit). Combining them is a
> little more strange, but I'm not sure where you come up with 1 in 29
> billion. Stars is around 2.5 billion hands dealt.

PokerStars Game #24191088909

24,191,088,909

That number represents the actual hand dealt, it was my understanding
that they've been keeping an accurate tally of hands dealt by labeling
each hand since going live.




      
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:40:51
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
> (seems I always flop sets when the flop is all the same suit).

I thought I was the only one this happened to.

lol

========================================
You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
========
BOOM byae
John

------- 
RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com




      
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:40:43
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 1:35 PM, MrBookworm wrote:

> > Board [Kd 8d Ad Kc 7d]
> > Seat 1: hrt898 (big blind) folded before Flop
> > Seat 2: SplawnDarts showed [Ah Ac] and won ($0.72) with a full house, Aces
>
> > Board [Ad Qd 7d 7c 9d]
> > Seat 1: hrt898 folded on the Flop
> > Seat 2: SplawnDarts collected ($0.62)
>
> It's something you don't see everyday, but doesn't surprise me. Getting
> the same hand twice in a row isn't that strange. Flopping a set with a
> same suited board twice in a row is quite a bit more strange (seems I
> always flop sets when the flop is all the same suit). Combining them is a
> little more strange, but I'm not sure where you come up with 1 in 29
> billion. Stars is around 2.5 billion hands dealt.
>
> Dean
>
> "First of all, I cannot see Bookworm's post in my newsreader. Probably
> just as well, he annoys the fuck out of me anyway." PP - Dec 29, 2008

Back of the envelope, getting dealt aces is 1 in 200 (all estimates either
accurate or conservative)
It happened twice in a row - 1 in 200^2.

Flopping a set is one in 8 given that you have a pair - so we're up to 1
in 200^2 * 8^2.

Once you flop a set having the other two cards match the set card's suit
is very close to one in 16, happened twice so 16^2.

Making a full house on the turn is 1 in 47/7 - happened twice.

So the whole thing is

1 in 200^2 * 8^2 * 16^2 * (47/7)^2 as a ballpark. That's 1 in 29 billion.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

________________________________________________________________________ 
* kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com



       
Date: 23 Jan 2009 12:03:06
From: GrouchySmurf1002
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 2:40 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> So the whole thing is
>
> 1 in 200^2 * 8^2 * 16^2 * (47/7)^2 as a ballpark. That's 1 in 29 billion.

It's a hair under 1 in 25 billion I believe.

I get 220, 7.5, 16.8, and 5.7.

_______________________________________________________________________ 
: the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com



       
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:59:46
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 1:40 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> Back of the envelope, getting dealt aces is 1 in 200 (all estimates either
> accurate or conservative)
> It happened twice in a row - 1 in 200^2.
>
> Flopping a set is one in 8 given that you have a pair - so we're up to 1
> in 200^2 * 8^2.
>
> Once you flop a set having the other two cards match the set card's suit
> is very close to one in 16, happened twice so 16^2.
>
> Making a full house on the turn is 1 in 47/7 - happened twice.
>
> So the whole thing is
>
> 1 in 200^2 * 8^2 * 16^2 * (47/7)^2 as a ballpark. That's 1 in 29 billion.

Couldn't you take two hands:

8h7c board Qc8s5h2d6d
Qd9s board Kd5sJh3c4d

apply the same sort of math to it and come to the same conclusion?

---
Morphy
xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
http://www.donkeymanifesto.com

"I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz

"It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra

-------- 
* kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com



        
Date: 23 Jan 2009 12:08:19
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
> Couldn't you take two hands:
>
> 8h7c board Qc8s5h2d6d
> Qd9s board Kd5sJh3c4d
>
> apply the same sort of math to it and come to the same conclusion?

Not sure I follow you. I see two big differences - first these are
obviously examples of hand in an interesting class. Second, I don't see
why your two hands are in any sense "the same thing twice".

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

_____________________________________________________________________ 
* kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com



         
Date: 23 Jan 2009 12:23:08
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 2:08 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> Not sure I follow you. I see two big differences - first these are
> obviously examples of hand in an interesting class. Second, I don't see
> why your two hands are in any sense "the same thing twice".

I'm just breaking it down further to the individual card level to show
that the odds of those two hands/combinations being dealt back to back are
pretty astronomical as well. In other words, I don't see the significance
in hitting a full house boat on the turn with AA two hands close together
just like I don't see the significance in having 2 cards and a board of 5
cards then another hand where I have 2 cards and another 5 cards.

---
Morphy
xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
http://www.donkeymanifesto.com

"I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz

"It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra

______________________________________________________________________ 
: the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com



          
Date: 23 Jan 2009 12:33:42
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
> I'm just breaking it down further to the individual card level to show
> that the odds of those two hands/combinations being dealt back to back are
> pretty astronomical as well. In other words, I don't see the significance
> in hitting a full house boat on the turn with AA two hands close together
> just like I don't see the significance in having 2 cards and a board of 5
> cards then another hand where I have 2 cards and another 5 cards.


If you can't see why one is far more significant from a poker perspective
than the other, then I really don't know what to say.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

----- 
RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com




           
Date: 24 Jan 2009 10:31:04
From: Lab Rat
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day

"Wayne Vinson" <a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:66mp46xu92.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> I'm just breaking it down further to the individual card level to show
>> that the odds of those two hands/combinations being dealt back to back
>> are
>> pretty astronomical as well. In other words, I don't see the
>> significance
>> in hitting a full house boat on the turn with AA two hands close together
>> just like I don't see the significance in having 2 cards and a board of 5
>> cards then another hand where I have 2 cards and another 5 cards.
>
>
> If you can't see why one is far more significant from a poker perspective
> than the other, then I really don't know what to say.
>
> Wayne Vinson
> http://cardsharp.org/
> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

The specific hand is only important if you want to calculate the odds before
the event. The unusual event was two consecutive noteworthy hands. How many
hands are there that you would consider significant if they happened twice
in a row?

Stars has 24 billion hands up so far. That is probably 100 billion
individual hands, plus tourneys.




           
Date: 23 Jan 2009 15:44:07
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 3:33 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> > I'm just breaking it down further to the individual card level to show
> > that the odds of those two hands/combinations being dealt back to back are
> > pretty astronomical as well. In other words, I don't see the significance
> > in hitting a full house boat on the turn with AA two hands close together
> > just like I don't see the significance in having 2 cards and a board of 5
> > cards then another hand where I have 2 cards and another 5 cards.
>
>
> If you can't see why one is far more significant from a poker perspective
> than the other, then I really don't know what to say.
>
> Wayne Vinson
> http://cardsharp.org/
> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

And what if you were playing Holdem for lowball?

Fell
--
Be Loud. Be Proud. Be Considerate!

________________________________________________________________________ 
: the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com



           
Date: 23 Jan 2009 12:56:54
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 2:33 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> If you can't see why one is far more significant from a poker perspective
> than the other, then I really don't know what to say.

Well first off you seem to be implying that the deal is rigged with this
topic. However, then you show that the cards aren't the same. If the
cards were the same then it would be a different case altogether. But
you're now implying that Stars has some sort of scripted process that says
"give player 3 AA, flop player 3 a set, turn player 3 a full boat house"
etc. It just doesn't make any sense. That's why I brought up the totally
unrelated hands.

---
Morphy
xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
http://www.donkeymanifesto.com

"I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz

"It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra

------- 
* kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com



            
Date: 23 Jan 2009 13:06:28
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
> Well first off you seem to be implying that the deal is rigged with this
> topic. However, then you show that the cards aren't the same. If the
> cards were the same then it would be a different case altogether. But
> you're now implying that Stars has some sort of scripted process that says
> "give player 3 AA, flop player 3 a set, turn player 3 a full boat house"
> etc. It just doesn't make any sense. That's why I brought up the totally
> unrelated hands.

I think you're arguing my side of the point here. Assume for a second
that stars was for whatever reason rigging the deal. Would there be any
reason to rig the hands you posted? No. Might there be reasons to rig
the hands I posted? Sure.

Now I'm not saying the deal is rigged here. But I do believe the
following:

1) It's in every player's best interests to keep their eyes out for
strange stuff coming off the deck, and strange player behavior coordinated
with it. Without such vigilance, cheating goes unnoticed. As an example,
player observation of a single "odd" hand broke open the AP/UB scandal.
Eventually far more was uncovered, but one hand started it.

2) When, in the process of such observation you see stuff that should
happen only incredibly rarely, it should catch your attention.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

--- 
RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com




             
Date: 23 Jan 2009 13:20:32
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 3:06 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> I think you're arguing my side of the point here. Assume for a second
> that stars was for whatever reason rigging the deal. Would there be any
> reason to rig the hands you posted? No. Might there be reasons to rig
> the hands I posted? Sure.

This is probably a separate discussion...in fact, I'll start a new thread
since I just had an idea...stay tuned.

> Now I'm not saying the deal is rigged here. But I do believe the
> following:
>
> 1) It's in every player's best interests to keep their eyes out for
> strange stuff coming off the deck, and strange player behavior coordinated
> with it. Without such vigilance, cheating goes unnoticed. As an example,
> player observation of a single "odd" hand broke open the AP/UB scandal.
> Eventually far more was uncovered, but one hand started it.

Definitely agreed. Although Stars/FTP claims that they run sophisticated
security and cheating checks, I don't think there's anyone manually
searching for this sort of thing. I think they have some automated
measures in place and investigate things sent via email, and that's about
it. For that reason I send in anything I see out of the ordinary. 2
players sit out at the same time and sit back in, I send Stars a "hey I
didn't see anything out of the ordinary here but can you check just in
case" email...same when a guy who is clearly pot committed folds. Most of
the time these people are just idiots, but if no one reports it and they
are cheating then no one catches them.

> 2) When, in the process of such observation you see stuff that should
> happen only incredibly rarely, it should catch your attention.

This one I don't agree with as much for reasons already stated, but I at
least see where you're coming from.

---
Morphy
xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
http://www.donkeymanifesto.com

"I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz

"It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra

----- 
: the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com



       
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:47:20
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
> Back of the envelope, getting dealt aces is 1 in 200 (all estimates either
> accurate or conservative)
> It happened twice in a row - 1 in 200^2.
>
> Flopping a set is one in 8 given that you have a pair - so we're up to 1
> in 200^2 * 8^2.
>
> Once you flop a set having the other two cards match the set card's suit
> is very close to one in 16, happened twice so 16^2.
>
> Making a full house on the turn is 1 in 47/7 - happened twice.
>
> So the whole thing is
>
> 1 in 200^2 * 8^2 * 16^2 * (47/7)^2 as a ballpark. That's 1 in 29 billion.

I am no math genius here or anything, but each event is separate. I am
not sure you can accurately combine them because each in and of itself are
independent.

1 in 200 * 8 * 16 * (47/7)
Then
1 in 200 * 8 * 16 * (47/7)

========================================
You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
========
BOOM byae
John

_______________________________________________________________________ 
: the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com



        
Date: 23 Jan 2009 15:41:43
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 2:47 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > Back of the envelope, getting dealt aces is 1 in 200 (all estimates either
> > accurate or conservative)
> > It happened twice in a row - 1 in 200^2.
> >
> > Flopping a set is one in 8 given that you have a pair - so we're up to 1
> > in 200^2 * 8^2.
> >
> > Once you flop a set having the other two cards match the set card's suit
> > is very close to one in 16, happened twice so 16^2.
> >
> > Making a full house on the turn is 1 in 47/7 - happened twice.
> >
> > So the whole thing is
> >
> > 1 in 200^2 * 8^2 * 16^2 * (47/7)^2 as a ballpark. That's 1 in 29 billion.
>
> I am no math genius here or anything, but each event is separate. I am
> not sure you can accurately combine them because each in and of itself are
> independent.
>
> 1 in 200 * 8 * 16 * (47/7)
> Then
> 1 in 200 * 8 * 16 * (47/7)
>
> ========================================
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> ========
> BOOM byae
> John

WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH SPAZZO????

Fell
--
Be Loud. Be Proud. Be Considerate!

____________________________________________________________________ 
RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com




        
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:51:25
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 1:47 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > Back of the envelope, getting dealt aces is 1 in 200 (all estimates either
> > accurate or conservative)
> > It happened twice in a row - 1 in 200^2.
> >
> > Flopping a set is one in 8 given that you have a pair - so we're up to 1
> > in 200^2 * 8^2.
> >
> > Once you flop a set having the other two cards match the set card's suit
> > is very close to one in 16, happened twice so 16^2.
> >
> > Making a full house on the turn is 1 in 47/7 - happened twice.
> >
> > So the whole thing is
> >
> > 1 in 200^2 * 8^2 * 16^2 * (47/7)^2 as a ballpark. That's 1 in 29 billion.
>
> I am no math genius here or anything, but each event is separate. I am
> not sure you can accurately combine them because each in and of itself are
> independent.
>
> 1 in 200 * 8 * 16 * (47/7)
> Then
> 1 in 200 * 8 * 16 * (47/7)
>
> ========================================
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> ========
> BOOM byae
> John

Both events had to happen for it to be interesting. Since they're
supposedly independent, the probability of event 1 and event 2 happening
is P(event 1) * P(event 2) which is exactly what I did.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

----- 
looking for a better newsgroup-reader? - www.recgroups.com




     
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:32:19
From: charrison100
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
They look different to me. And are they really back to back with the
numbers being 42 and 44?

> > *********** # 42 **************
> *********** # 44 **************
> > PokerStars Game #24191088909: Hold'em Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/23
> PokerStars Game #24191075125: Hold'em Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/23
> > *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to SplawnDarts [Ah Ac]
> *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to SplawnDarts [Ah Ac]
> > *** FLOP *** [Kd 8d Ad]
> *** FLOP *** [Ad Qd 7d]
> > *** TURN *** [Kd 8d Ad] [Kc]
> *** TURN *** [Ad Qd 7d] [7c]
> > *** RIVER *** [Kd 8d Ad Kc] [7d]
> *** RIVER *** [Ad Qd 7d 7c] [9d]


Chris

"NO! I want this shit to STOP! Right NOW! Nobody takes me serious
anymore." - Paul
Popinjay, 01/16/2009

______________________________________________________________________ 
RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com




      
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:34:32
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 1:32 PM, charrison100 wrote:

> They look different to me. And are they really back to back with the
> numbers being 42 and 44?

Yeah, I had another table open.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

------ 
* kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com



       
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:37:29
From: charrison100
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 2:34 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> On Jan 23 2009 1:32 PM, charrison100 wrote:
>
> > They look different to me. And are they really back to back with the
> > numbers being 42 and 44?
>
> Yeah, I had another table open.
>
> Wayne Vinson
> http://cardsharp.org/
> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

makes sense. I see what you are saying that it is weird but I would only
think it was a problem with the software if the boards fell the same way.
I have in live play had the same 2 cards back to back. 2 decks in a
rotating dealer home game. Unfortunately mine were not aces they were 5c
3h. I said to my self if I get them a third time I will play them.

Chris

"NO! I want this shit to STOP! Right NOW! Nobody takes me serious
anymore." - Paul
Popinjay, 01/16/2009

_______________________________________________________________________ 
* kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com



     
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:15:22
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
> PokerStars Game #24191088909: Hold'em Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/23

Oh man you are going to catch some SERIOUS flack from your enemies for
THIS!

========================================
You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
========
BOOM byae
John

_____________________________________________________________________ 
: the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com



      
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:16:57
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 1:15 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > PokerStars Game #24191088909: Hold'em Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/23
>
> Oh man you are going to catch some SERIOUS flack from your enemies for
> THIS!


Why? I play online at small stakes all the time and have never made a
secret of it. What better way to practice things like shorthanded ply
that aren't typically spread in casinos?


Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

_____________________________________________________________________ 
* kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com



       
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:29:47
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
> Why? I play online at small stakes all the time and have never made a
> secret of it. What better way to practice things like shorthanded ply
> that aren't typically spread in casinos?

Why? Because this is RGP. I personally do not give a rats ass because I
play small stakes online as well (as a matter of fact we may have played
against one another before I have played those exact stakes)

I agree, but do you really find things that are done or that you do in
those games at those stakes to translate to higher stakes games? I play
way different online than I do live because of the stakes.

========================================
You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
========
BOOM byae
John

--- 
: the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com



       
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:23:40
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 1:16 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> Why? I play online at small stakes all the time and have never made a
> secret of it. What better way to practice things like shorthanded ply
> that aren't typically spread in casinos?

Well the obvious answer is why do you need to practice if you're going to
nail the supremo nuts every other hand, lol.

Interesting two hands there though. I've seen weird shit at live games
before like that though. Had a guy once flop a set of kings two hands in
a row. His hole cards were the same suits, the same suit king flopped,
and in both cases someone else had the case king and flopped top pair.
Stranger still, we were rotating decks, so it was a different deck of
cards for each hand.

Oh and before Russ shows up with his nonsense, I can guarantee beyond a
shadow of a doubt that there was no possible way there was cheating of any
kind going on.

---
Morphy
xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
http://www.donkeymanifesto.com

"I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz

"It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra

---- 
: the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com



        
Date: 23 Jan 2009 12:05:35
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
> Well the obvious answer is why do you need to practice if you're going to
> nail the supremo nuts every other hand, lol.

I'm practicing rivering the boat rather than turning it. It doesn't
matter at these stakes, but in a real game I'd induce a lot more
semi-bluffs from naked kings if I could get the board to stay unpaired
until the river.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

----- 
RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com




        
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:30:04
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
> Oh and before Russ shows up with his nonsense, I can guarantee beyond a
> shadow of a doubt that there was no possible way there was cheating of any
> kind going on.

Oh, there's no question of that, at least in any classical sense of
cheating.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

----- 
: the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com



 
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:50:50
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day

"Wayne Vinson" <a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:6j5p46xt4v.ln2@recgroups.com...
>I was playing limit holdem on Stars this morning, and the following
> happened:
>
> my hole cards were aces
> board came ace high, three of a suit
> turn made me a boat (just for doggy)
> river was irrelevant, and I win the pot having bet the whole way through
>
> next hand,
>
> same thing in all particulars.
>
> That's an astronomically bizarre and unlikely occurrence. I've never seen
> an honest deck do anything like it. Almost like stars ran the same script
> twice. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that's exactly what
> happened.
>
> Wayne Vinson
> http://cardsharp.org/
> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

They deal a bajillion hands a day, it's just math bucko. Now if you were
crossing the desert and got bit on the ass by a great white shark...

Irish Mike




  
Date: 23 Jan 2009 10:03:40
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23, 9:33=A0am, "Wayne Vinson" <a7a8...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 23 2009 11:24 AM, Wayne Vinson wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 23 2009 10:50 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> > > "Wayne Vinson" <a7a8...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> > >news:6j5p46xt4v.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > > >I was playing limit holdem on Stars this morning, and the following
> > > > happened:
>
> > > > my hole cards were aces
> > > > board came ace high, three of a suit
> > > > turn made me a boat (just for doggy)
> > > > river was irrelevant, and I win the pot having bet the whole way th=
rough
>
> > > > next hand,
>
> > > > same thing in all particulars.
>
> > > > That's an astronomically bizarre and unlikely occurrence. =A0I've n=
ever
> seen
> > > > an honest deck do anything like it. =A0Almost like stars ran the sa=
me
> script
> > > > twice. =A0I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that's exactl=
y what
> > > > happened.
>
> > > > Wayne Vinson
> > > >http://cardsharp.org/
> > > > Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com
>
> > > They deal a bajillion hands a day, it's just math bucko. =A0Now if yo=
u were
> > > crossing the desert and got bit on the ass by a great white shark...
>
> > > Irish Mike
>
> > A bajillion ain't enough Mike.
>
> > If you started dealing 2-hand pairs now, you'd have to deal roughly 29
> > TRILLION such pairs to get the sequence of events I described to happen=
.
> > How many hands do you think pokerstars has dealt in its entire history?
> > I'll give you a hint - it's not in the trillions.
>
> > Wayne Vinson
> >http://cardsharp.org/
> > Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com
>
> Actually I should have said 29 billion. =A0Sill more hands than stars has
> ever dealt.

Not that many more. Surely they've dealt a couple billion by now.

- Bob T.
>
> Wayne Vinsonhttp://cardsharp.org/
> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com
>
> ________________________________________________________________________=
=A0
> looking for a better newsgroup-reader? -www.recgroups.com- Hide quoted te=
xt -
>
> - Show quoted text -



   
Date: 23 Jan 2009 10:57:42
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
> Not that many more. Surely they've dealt a couple billion by now.

That's probably not too far off.

What do you want to bet I'm not the only person this has happened to?


Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

______________________________________________________________________ 
looking for a better newsgroup-reader? - www.recgroups.com




  
Date: 23 Jan 2009 09:24:40
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 10:50 AM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "Wayne Vinson" <a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:6j5p46xt4v.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >I was playing limit holdem on Stars this morning, and the following
> > happened:
> >
> > my hole cards were aces
> > board came ace high, three of a suit
> > turn made me a boat (just for doggy)
> > river was irrelevant, and I win the pot having bet the whole way through
> >
> > next hand,
> >
> > same thing in all particulars.
> >
> > That's an astronomically bizarre and unlikely occurrence. I've never seen
> > an honest deck do anything like it. Almost like stars ran the same script
> > twice. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that's exactly what
> > happened.
> >
> > Wayne Vinson
> > http://cardsharp.org/
> > Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com
>
> They deal a bajillion hands a day, it's just math bucko. Now if you were
> crossing the desert and got bit on the ass by a great white shark...
>
> Irish Mike

A bajillion ain't enough Mike.

If you started dealing 2-hand pairs now, you'd have to deal roughly 29
TRILLION such pairs to get the sequence of events I described to happen.
How many hands do you think pokerstars has dealt in its entire history?
I'll give you a hint - it's not in the trillions.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

________________________________________________________________________ 
* kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com



   
Date: 23 Jan 2009 09:33:55
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 11:24 AM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> On Jan 23 2009 10:50 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> > "Wayne Vinson" <a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:6j5p46xt4v.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > >I was playing limit holdem on Stars this morning, and the following
> > > happened:
> > >
> > > my hole cards were aces
> > > board came ace high, three of a suit
> > > turn made me a boat (just for doggy)
> > > river was irrelevant, and I win the pot having bet the whole way through
> > >
> > > next hand,
> > >
> > > same thing in all particulars.
> > >
> > > That's an astronomically bizarre and unlikely occurrence. I've never
seen
> > > an honest deck do anything like it. Almost like stars ran the same
script
> > > twice. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that's exactly what
> > > happened.
> > >
> > > Wayne Vinson
> > > http://cardsharp.org/
> > > Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com
> >
> > They deal a bajillion hands a day, it's just math bucko. Now if you were
> > crossing the desert and got bit on the ass by a great white shark...
> >
> > Irish Mike
>
> A bajillion ain't enough Mike.
>
> If you started dealing 2-hand pairs now, you'd have to deal roughly 29
> TRILLION such pairs to get the sequence of events I described to happen.
> How many hands do you think pokerstars has dealt in its entire history?
> I'll give you a hint - it's not in the trillions.
>
> Wayne Vinson
> http://cardsharp.org/
> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

Actually I should have said 29 billion. Sill more hands than stars has
ever dealt.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

________________________________________________________________________ 
looking for a better newsgroup-reader? - www.recgroups.com




    
Date: 23 Jan 2009 13:55:15
From: Mark B [Diputsur]
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day

"Wayne Vinson" <a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:3lbp46x7m.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 23 2009 11:24 AM, Wayne Vinson wrote:
>
>> On Jan 23 2009 10:50 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
>>
>> > "Wayne Vinson" <a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> > news:6j5p46xt4v.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > >I was playing limit holdem on Stars this morning, and the following
>> > > happened:
>> > >
>> > > my hole cards were aces
>> > > board came ace high, three of a suit
>> > > turn made me a boat (just for doggy)
>> > > river was irrelevant, and I win the pot having bet the whole way
>> > > through
>> > >
>> > > next hand,
>> > >
>> > > same thing in all particulars.
>> > >
>> > > That's an astronomically bizarre and unlikely occurrence. I've never
> seen
>> > > an honest deck do anything like it. Almost like stars ran the same
> script
>> > > twice. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that's exactly
>> > > what
>> > > happened.
>> > >
>> > > Wayne Vinson
>> > > http://cardsharp.org/
>> > > Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com
>> >
>> > They deal a bajillion hands a day, it's just math bucko. Now if you
>> > were
>> > crossing the desert and got bit on the ass by a great white shark...
>> >
>> > Irish Mike
>>
>> A bajillion ain't enough Mike.
>>
>> If you started dealing 2-hand pairs now, you'd have to deal roughly 29
>> TRILLION such pairs to get the sequence of events I described to happen.
>> How many hands do you think pokerstars has dealt in its entire history?
>> I'll give you a hint - it's not in the trillions.
>>
>> Wayne Vinson
>> http://cardsharp.org/
>> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com
>
> Actually I should have said 29 billion. Sill more hands than stars has
> ever dealt.

The other day I rolled a pair of dice and got snake eyes on my
first roll! It's supposed to be 35:1 against - WTF? I didn't roll 36
times!

Btw: Original HH's please ... or it didn't happen =)




     
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:28:38
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 12:55 PM, Mark B [Diputsur] wrote:

> "Wayne Vinson" <a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:3lbp46x7m.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Jan 23 2009 11:24 AM, Wayne Vinson wrote:
> >
> >> On Jan 23 2009 10:50 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >>
> >> > "Wayne Vinson" <a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> >> > news:6j5p46xt4v.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> > >I was playing limit holdem on Stars this morning, and the following
> >> > > happened:
> >> > >
> >> > > my hole cards were aces
> >> > > board came ace high, three of a suit
> >> > > turn made me a boat (just for doggy)
> >> > > river was irrelevant, and I win the pot having bet the whole way
> >> > > through
> >> > >
> >> > > next hand,
> >> > >
> >> > > same thing in all particulars.
> >> > >
> >> > > That's an astronomically bizarre and unlikely occurrence. I've never
> > seen
> >> > > an honest deck do anything like it. Almost like stars ran the same
> > script
> >> > > twice. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that's exactly
> >> > > what
> >> > > happened.
> >> > >
> >> > > Wayne Vinson
> >> > > http://cardsharp.org/
> >> > > Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com
> >> >
> >> > They deal a bajillion hands a day, it's just math bucko. Now if you
> >> > were
> >> > crossing the desert and got bit on the ass by a great white shark...
> >> >
> >> > Irish Mike
> >>
> >> A bajillion ain't enough Mike.
> >>
> >> If you started dealing 2-hand pairs now, you'd have to deal roughly 29
> >> TRILLION such pairs to get the sequence of events I described to happen.
> >> How many hands do you think pokerstars has dealt in its entire history?
> >> I'll give you a hint - it's not in the trillions.
> >>
> >> Wayne Vinson
> >> http://cardsharp.org/
> >> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com
> >
> > Actually I should have said 29 billion. Sill more hands than stars has
> > ever dealt.
>
> The other day I rolled a pair of dice and got snake eyes on my
> first roll! It's supposed to be 35:1 against - WTF? I didn't roll 36
> times!
>
> Btw: Original HH's please ... or it didn't happen =)

We're not talking the same magnitude here. If you droped a handful of 13
dice and they ALL came up 1's (an event on the same order as what happened
here) it ought to make you go "hmmm"

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

---- 
: the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com



      
Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:31:41
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
> We're not talking the same magnitude here. If you droped a handful of 13
> dice and they ALL came up 1's (an event on the same order as what happened
> here) it ought to make you go "hmmm"

No I would say:

YAHTZEE!

========================================
You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
========
BOOM byae
John

______________________________________________________________________ 
RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com




 
Date: 23 Jan 2009 08:28:49
From: poorolrich
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
With the number of hands dealt every minute it is definitely within the
realm of possibility. Hell, earlier this week the Neb. State lottery had
the same numbers drawn for two consecutive ( pick three) drawings in a
row. They estimated over one million to one for that to happen. In other
words, s##t happens.

On Jan 23 2009 9:50 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> I was playing limit holdem on Stars this morning, and the following
> happened:
>
> my hole cards were aces
> board came ace high, three of a suit
> turn made me a boat (just for doggy)
> river was irrelevant, and I win the pot having bet the whole way through
>
> next hand,
>
> same thing in all particulars.
>
> That's an astronomically bizarre and unlikely occurrence. I've never seen
> an honest deck do anything like it. Almost like stars ran the same script
> twice. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that's exactly what
> happened.
>
> Wayne Vinson
> http://cardsharp.org/
> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

------ 
RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com




  
Date: 23 Jan 2009 09:25:34
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 10:28 AM, poorolrich wrote:

> With the number of hands dealt every minute it is definitely within the
> realm of possibility. Hell, earlier this week the Neb. State lottery had
> the same numbers drawn for two consecutive ( pick three) drawings in a
> row. They estimated over one million to one for that to happen. In other
> words, s##t happens.
>
> On Jan 23 2009 9:50 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:
>
> > I was playing limit holdem on Stars this morning, and the following
> > happened:
> >
> > my hole cards were aces
> > board came ace high, three of a suit
> > turn made me a boat (just for doggy)
> > river was irrelevant, and I win the pot having bet the whole way through
> >
> > next hand,
> >
> > same thing in all particulars.
> >
> > That's an astronomically bizarre and unlikely occurrence. I've never seen
> > an honest deck do anything like it. Almost like stars ran the same script
> > twice. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that's exactly what
> > happened.
> >
> > Wayne Vinson
> > http://cardsharp.org/
> > Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com


This isn't a 1 in a million event. Those happen all the time. It's a one
in several TRILLION event.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

____________________________________________________________________ 
* kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com



   
Date: 23 Jan 2009 09:33:19
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 11:25 AM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> On Jan 23 2009 10:28 AM, poorolrich wrote:
>
> > With the number of hands dealt every minute it is definitely within the
> > realm of possibility. Hell, earlier this week the Neb. State lottery had
> > the same numbers drawn for two consecutive ( pick three) drawings in a
> > row. They estimated over one million to one for that to happen. In other
> > words, s##t happens.
> >
> > On Jan 23 2009 9:50 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:
> >
> > > I was playing limit holdem on Stars this morning, and the following
> > > happened:
> > >
> > > my hole cards were aces
> > > board came ace high, three of a suit
> > > turn made me a boat (just for doggy)
> > > river was irrelevant, and I win the pot having bet the whole way through
> > >
> > > next hand,
> > >
> > > same thing in all particulars.
> > >
> > > That's an astronomically bizarre and unlikely occurrence. I've never
seen
> > > an honest deck do anything like it. Almost like stars ran the same
script
> > > twice. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that's exactly what
> > > happened.
> > >
> > > Wayne Vinson
> > > http://cardsharp.org/
> > > Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com
>
>
> This isn't a 1 in a million event. Those happen all the time. It's a one
> in several TRILLION event.
>
> Wayne Vinson
> http://cardsharp.org/
> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

Sorry, I mis-stated. It's only one in 29 BILLION. That's still far more
hands than stars has ever dealt.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

---- 
RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com




    
Date: 23 Jan 2009 18:44:48
From: Bill Vanek
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:33:19 -0800, "Wayne Vinson"
<a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>On Jan 23 2009 11:25 AM, Wayne Vinson wrote:
>

>> > > I was playing limit holdem on Stars this morning, and the following
>> > > happened:
>> > >
>> > > my hole cards were aces
>> > > board came ace high, three of a suit
>> > > turn made me a boat (just for doggy)
>> > > river was irrelevant, and I win the pot having bet the whole way through
>> > >
>> > > next hand,
>> > >
>> > > same thing in all particulars.
>> > >
>> > > That's an astronomically bizarre and unlikely occurrence. I've never
>seen
>> > > an honest deck do anything like it. Almost like stars ran the same
>script
>> > > twice. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that's exactly what
>> > > happened.
>> > >

>Sorry, I mis-stated. It's only one in 29 BILLION. That's still far more
>hands than stars has ever dealt.

You're trolling again, right?


     
Date: 23 Jan 2009 18:56:37
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 8:44 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:33:19 -0800, "Wayne Vinson"
> <a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On Jan 23 2009 11:25 AM, Wayne Vinson wrote:
> >
>
> >> > > I was playing limit holdem on Stars this morning, and the following
> >> > > happened:
> >> > >
> >> > > my hole cards were aces
> >> > > board came ace high, three of a suit
> >> > > turn made me a boat (just for doggy)
> >> > > river was irrelevant, and I win the pot having bet the whole way
through
> >> > >
> >> > > next hand,
> >> > >
> >> > > same thing in all particulars.
> >> > >
> >> > > That's an astronomically bizarre and unlikely occurrence. I've never
> >seen
> >> > > an honest deck do anything like it. Almost like stars ran the same
> >script
> >> > > twice. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that's exactly
what
> >> > > happened.
> >> > >
>
> >Sorry, I mis-stated. It's only one in 29 BILLION. That's still far more
> >hands than stars has ever dealt.
>
> You're trolling again, right?

Nope.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

----- 
: the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com



 
Date: 23 Jan 2009 07:53:03
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
> That's an astronomically bizarre and unlikely occurrence. I've never seen
> an honest deck do anything like it. Almost like stars ran the same script
> twice. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that's exactly what
> happened.

Have you seen more hands live or online?

========================================
You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
========
BOOM byae
John

-------- 
: the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com



  
Date: 23 Jan 2009 07:56:19
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
On Jan 23 2009 9:53 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > That's an astronomically bizarre and unlikely occurrence. I've never seen
> > an honest deck do anything like it. Almost like stars ran the same script
> > twice. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to find out that's exactly what
> > happened.
>
> Have you seen more hands live or online?

Live by a huge margin.


Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

---- 
: the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com



   
Date: 23 Jan 2009 08:11:48
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Something you don't see every day
> Live by a huge margin.

Same here.

========================================
You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
========
BOOM byae
John

------ 
RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com