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Date: 27 Jan 2009 18:29:37
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
WTF is a "nice hand"? An all in guy hits runner-runner in a gigantic
pot and thats a "nice hand"? You have a one card out and hit it and
thats a "nice hand"?

I played poker all my life and never heard "nice hand' until about
2003, when the scooters moved in. Previously, the terms used were
"take it", "best hand", F*K, and about everything else, but "nice
hand".

The most common thing was tossing your hand in and not saying anything
at all. I hereby give the "scooters' five years. By that time, most
will be gone, as will most NLH games.

Russ Georgiev

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Date: 28 Jan 2009 18:44:40
From: funky cold medina
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
On Jan 28, 12:09=A0pm, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 28 2009 11:25 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 28 2009 10:55 AM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > > Way more to the Poker Boom than online .. Do you have any idea how ma=
ny
> > > games the Wynn has at 9 PM on a Friday ?
>
> > > Do you have any idea of the drop-off at Cas AZ ?
>
> > > If you dont think that the poker boom has at least "crested" you need=
to
> > > reconsider
>
> > IMO the poker boom IS online.
>
> > But, if we must translate that to live, didn't the 2008 WSOP set record=
s
> > for the biggest prize pools and the largest number of entrants from the
> > most countries?
>
> Correct !!. If one were to make a graph of the poker boom , it grew and
> grew and the last 18-20 months would appearas a "mesa" at the top of the
> graph , and I believe that the next 24 months wil be a downward slope
> resembling a ski slope downward .
>
> IMO if there were 10 million people "active " at the poker booms highest
> point , I believe it is down to like 6 million now and dwindling .
>
> B&M's are getting thrashed right and left . No new rooms (or almost none)
> , and no new poker jobs . Jobs in fact are dwindling QUICKLY
>
> > ---
> > Morphy
> > xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.com
> >http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> > "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" =A0--igotskillz
>
> > "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> > obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities=
.
> Voltaire
>
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I think your assessment that the poker boom hit its peak and is now in
decline is probably correct. I also think that is more related to the
state of the economy as opposed to some self-destruct scooter
implosion.

My dept of 600 at Kaiser laid-off 300 last week into a job market
that's bleak. Two of those 300 were good friends of mine that were
hardcore limit HE players at the Bike and Commerce... (and like you
Doggy they held online players in contempt). I called to see if they
wanted to hit Commerce on Saturday to try and cheer them up --- > no
fucking way was the reply, they're worried about going months without
steady income. We're going for a beer and burger instead.


 
Date: 28 Jan 2009 12:05:04
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
> Russ Georgiev

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 22:06:15
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
On Jan 27 2009 8:29 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:

> WTF is a "nice hand"? An all in guy hits runner-runner in a gigantic
> pot and thats a "nice hand"? You have a one card out and hit it and
> thats a "nice hand"?
>
> I played poker all my life and never heard "nice hand' until about
> 2003, when the scooters moved in. Previously, the terms used were
> "take it", "best hand", F*K, and about everything else, but "nice
> hand".
>
> The most common thing was tossing your hand in and not saying anything
> at all. I hereby give the "scooters' five years. By that time, most
> will be gone, as will most NLH games.

I HAVE BEEN POSTING THAT PREDICTION FOR 3 YEARS .. and they are dying on
the vine !!
>
> Russ Georgiev
>
> www.pokermafia.com
> www.pokerunchecked.com
> www.russgeorgiev.com


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Date: 28 Jan 2009 07:36:39
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
On Jan 28 2009 12:06 AM, FangBanger wrote:

> I HAVE BEEN POSTING THAT PREDICTION FOR 3 YEARS .. and they are dying on
> the vine !!

They are? Stars recently hit their all time high for players online.
Poker boom is over? Huh?

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Date: 28 Jan 2009 08:55:46
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
On Jan 28 2009 9:36 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 28 2009 12:06 AM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > I HAVE BEEN POSTING THAT PREDICTION FOR 3 YEARS .. and they are dying on
> > the vine !!
>
> They are? Stars recently hit their all time high for players online.
> Poker boom is over? Huh?

Way more to the Poker Boom than online .. Do you have any idea how many
games the Wynn has at 9 PM on a Friday ?

Do you have any idea of the drop-off at Cas AZ ?

If you dont think that the poker boom has at least "crested" you need to
reconsider
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra


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Date: 28 Jan 2009 09:25:03
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
On Jan 28 2009 10:55 AM, FangBanger wrote:

> Way more to the Poker Boom than online .. Do you have any idea how many
> games the Wynn has at 9 PM on a Friday ?
>
> Do you have any idea of the drop-off at Cas AZ ?
>
> If you dont think that the poker boom has at least "crested" you need to
> reconsider

IMO the poker boom IS online.

But, if we must translate that to live, didn't the 2008 WSOP set records
for the biggest prize pools and the largest number of entrants from the
most countries?

---
Morphy
xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
http://www.donkeymanifesto.com

"I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz

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Date: 28 Jan 2009 12:09:02
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
On Jan 28 2009 11:25 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 28 2009 10:55 AM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > Way more to the Poker Boom than online .. Do you have any idea how many
> > games the Wynn has at 9 PM on a Friday ?
> >
> > Do you have any idea of the drop-off at Cas AZ ?
> >
> > If you dont think that the poker boom has at least "crested" you need to
> > reconsider
>
> IMO the poker boom IS online.
>
> But, if we must translate that to live, didn't the 2008 WSOP set records
> for the biggest prize pools and the largest number of entrants from the
> most countries?
>

Correct !!. If one were to make a graph of the poker boom , it grew and
grew and the last 18-20 months would appearas a "mesa" at the top of the
graph , and I believe that the next 24 months wil be a downward slope
resembling a ski slope downward .

IMO if there were 10 million people "active " at the poker booms highest
point , I believe it is down to like 6 million now and dwindling .

B&M's are getting thrashed right and left . No new rooms (or almost none)
, and no new poker jobs . Jobs in fact are dwindling QUICKLY
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra


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Date: 28 Jan 2009 12:27:30
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
> Correct !!. If one were to make a graph of the poker boom , it grew and
> grew and the last 18-20 months would appearas a "mesa" at the top of the
> graph , and I believe that the next 24 months wil be a downward slope
> resembling a ski slope downward .

You said almost the exact same thing 2 years ago. That was 24 months ago
FYI.

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Date: 28 Jan 2009 12:25:57
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
On Jan 28 2009 2:09 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> Correct !!. If one were to make a graph of the poker boom , it grew and
> grew and the last 18-20 months would appearas a "mesa" at the top of the
> graph , and I believe that the next 24 months wil be a downward slope
> resembling a ski slope downward .
>
> IMO if there were 10 million people "active " at the poker booms highest
> point , I believe it is down to like 6 million now and dwindling .
>
> B&M's are getting thrashed right and left . No new rooms (or almost none)
> , and no new poker jobs . Jobs in fact are dwindling QUICKLY

Ahh ok got it. Makes sense and it's certainly possible. I don't see it
online yet, but maybe the B&M decline is the precursor to an online
decline. Then again, maybe the B&M decline and the online growth are hand
in hand as more people realize the benefits of playing online vs. live.

---
Morphy
xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
http://www.donkeymanifesto.com

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Date: 28 Jan 2009 18:09:17
From: Steam
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
On Jan 28 2009 12:25 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 28 2009 2:09 PM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > Correct !!. If one were to make a graph of the poker boom , it grew and
> > grew and the last 18-20 months would appearas a "mesa" at the top of the
> > graph , and I believe that the next 24 months wil be a downward slope
> > resembling a ski slope downward .
> >
> > IMO if there were 10 million people "active " at the poker booms highest
> > point , I believe it is down to like 6 million now and dwindling .
> >
> > B&M's are getting thrashed right and left . No new rooms (or almost none)
> > , and no new poker jobs . Jobs in fact are dwindling QUICKLY
>
> Ahh ok got it. Makes sense and it's certainly possible. I don't see it
> online yet, but maybe the B&M decline is the precursor to an online
> decline. Then again, maybe the B&M decline and the online growth are hand
> in hand as more people realize the benefits of playing online vs. live.
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com

Hawaiian Gardens is always packed to the gills when I go in there, and
Hollywood Park doesn't seem to be doing that bad, although they probably
peaked out before the poker boom if you can believe that. I haven't seem
much evidence that anything is getting worse. Even then, the whole
economy is in the crapper, so why wouldn't poker ease off a little?

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Date: 28 Jan 2009 09:20:31
From: GrouchySmurf1002
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
On Jan 28 2009 11:55 AM, FangBanger wrote:

> Way more to the Poker Boom than online

Ummm...not really. Players are players, doesn't matter if the casinos
are empty if Stars has 75k people on at any given moment, and vice versa.

In fact one could quite easily argue that the number of online players is
way more significant than the number of players in a handful of casinos
spread sporadically across the US.

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Date: 28 Jan 2009 08:34:32
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
> They are? Stars recently hit their all time high for players online.
> Poker boom is over? Huh?

I think the substantial growth is probably over, but there is definitely a
larger base of regular players than there was pre Moneymaker. That new
larger base doesn't appear to me to be shrinking. My home game is still
going strong as well.

Dean

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Date: 28 Jan 2009 08:59:55
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
On Jan 28 2009 10:34 AM, MrBookworm wrote:

> > They are? Stars recently hit their all time high for players online.
> > Poker boom is over? Huh?
>
> I think the substantial growth is probably over, but there is definitely a
> larger base of regular players than there was pre Moneymaker. That new
> larger base doesn't appear to me to be shrinking. My home game is still
> going strong as well.
>
> Dean
>
> "When you respond to me, you are responding to a troll." - Paul Popinjay
> 1/16/2009

YOU THINK ?? So we are now at a level that is comparable to a
"pre-Moneymaker" level?

Interesting .. lets just ignore everything in between ?

That would be like discussing the DOT COM bubble and leaving out the part
where Quest was at 100 a share and Google was like 600 a share

Lets look at the 'slopes" and the hell with the peak


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Date: 28 Jan 2009 11:14:36
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
> YOU THINK ?? So we are now at a level that is comparable to a
> "pre-Moneymaker" level?

I never said we're at a level that is comparable to "pre-Moneymaker".
Quite the opposite actually. You might want to read stuff twice before you
respond, though I doubt it will help.

> Interesting .. lets just ignore everything in between ?

Nope, just look at it today. Are there plenty of players or not? The
answer online is yes. I can't speak to Casino AZ as I haven't been over
there yet.

> That would be like discussing the DOT COM bubble and leaving out the part
> where Quest was at 100 a share and Google was like 600 a share


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Date: 27 Jan 2009 22:08:41
From: Steam
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
On Jan 27 2009 10:06 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> On Jan 27 2009 8:29 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:
>
> > WTF is a "nice hand"? An all in guy hits runner-runner in a gigantic
> > pot and thats a "nice hand"? You have a one card out and hit it and
> > thats a "nice hand"?
> >
> > I played poker all my life and never heard "nice hand' until about
> > 2003, when the scooters moved in. Previously, the terms used were
> > "take it", "best hand", F*K, and about everything else, but "nice
> > hand".
> >
> > The most common thing was tossing your hand in and not saying anything
> > at all. I hereby give the "scooters' five years. By that time, most
> > will be gone, as will most NLH games.
>
> I HAVE BEEN POSTING THAT PREDICTION FOR 3 YEARS .. and they are dying on
> the vine !!
> >

But until that happens, nlhe is where the fish are!

> > Russ Georgiev
> >
> > www.pokermafia.com
> > www.pokerunchecked.com
> > www.russgeorgiev.com
>
>
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Date: 27 Jan 2009 22:50:06
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
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Date: 27 Jan 2009 21:45:46
From: eldo77
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
On Jan 27 2009 9:29 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:

> WTF is a "nice hand"? An all in guy hits runner-runner in a gigantic
> pot and thats a "nice hand"? You have a one card out and hit it and
> thats a "nice hand"?

It makes it worse when he says " I'm sorry". I'm seeing a lot of that
lately.


>
> I played poker all my life and never heard "nice hand' until about
> 2003, when the scooters moved in. Previously, the terms used were
> "take it", "best hand", F*K, and about everything else, but "nice
> hand".

I heard it about 5 times in the 30 years before 2003.

eldo77

>
> The most common thing was tossing your hand in and not saying anything
> at all. I hereby give the "scooters' five years. By that time, most
> will be gone, as will most NLH games.
>
> Russ Georgiev
>
> www.pokermafia.com
> www.pokerunchecked.com
> www.russgeorgiev.com

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 21:52:53
From: Steam
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
On Jan 27 2009 9:45 PM, eldo77 wrote:

> On Jan 27 2009 9:29 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:
>
> > WTF is a "nice hand"? An all in guy hits runner-runner in a gigantic
> > pot and thats a "nice hand"? You have a one card out and hit it and
> > thats a "nice hand"?
>
> It makes it worse when he says " I'm sorry". I'm seeing a lot of that
> lately.
>
I have to fight the urge to say that myself if I put a bad beat on
someone. I'm certainly not sorry I won the pot, and I'm not giving it
back, but I prefer to win a pot I deserved to win.
>
> >
> > I played poker all my life and never heard "nice hand' until about
> > 2003, when the scooters moved in. Previously, the terms used were
> > "take it", "best hand", F*K, and about everything else, but "nice
> > hand".
>
> I heard it about 5 times in the 30 years before 2003.
>

It was certainly much less common, but it did happen. I don't know about
the 90s, I didn't play regularly before 1994, and I don't remember for
sure hearing it until 98 or 99.
> eldo77
>
> >
> > The most common thing was tossing your hand in and not saying anything
> > at all. I hereby give the "scooters' five years. By that time, most
> > will be gone, as will most NLH games.
> >
> > Russ Georgiev
> >
> > www.pokermafia.com
> > www.pokerunchecked.com
> > www.russgeorgiev.com

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 21:55:24
From: Steam
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
On Jan 27 2009 9:52 PM, Steam wrote:

> On Jan 27 2009 9:45 PM, eldo77 wrote:
>
> > On Jan 27 2009 9:29 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > WTF is a "nice hand"? An all in guy hits runner-runner in a gigantic
> > > pot and thats a "nice hand"? You have a one card out and hit it and
> > > thats a "nice hand"?
> >
> > It makes it worse when he says " I'm sorry". I'm seeing a lot of that
> > lately.
> >
> I have to fight the urge to say that myself if I put a bad beat on
> someone. I'm certainly not sorry I won the pot, and I'm not giving it
> back, but I prefer to win a pot I deserved to win.
> >
> > >
> > > I played poker all my life and never heard "nice hand' until about
> > > 2003, when the scooters moved in. Previously, the terms used were
> > > "take it", "best hand", F*K, and about everything else, but "nice
> > > hand".
> >
> > I heard it about 5 times in the 30 years before 2003.
> >
>
> It was certainly much less common, but it did happen. I don't know about
> the 90s, I didn't play regularly before 1994, and I don't remember for
> sure hearing it until 98 or 99.
> > eldo77

I mean I don't know about before the 90s.

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 22:30:16
From: mccard
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G

<RussGeorgiev@aol.com > wrote in message
news:403dfcfb-c758-4797-929f-e9869610a2e9@l16g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
> WTF is a "nice hand"? An all in guy hits runner-runner in a gigantic
> pot and thats a "nice hand"? You have a one card out and hit it and
> thats a "nice hand"?
>
on line sarcasm Russ, live with it.



 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 20:05:43
From: Steam
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
On Jan 27 2009 6:29 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:

> WTF is a "nice hand"? An all in guy hits runner-runner in a gigantic
> pot and thats a "nice hand"? You have a one card out and hit it and
> thats a "nice hand"?
>
> I played poker all my life and never heard "nice hand' until about
> 2003, when the scooters moved in. Previously, the terms used were
> "take it", "best hand", F*K, and about everything else, but "nice
> hand".
>
I heard it back in the 90s, but it was not as ubiquitous before online
poker took off.

> The most common thing was tossing your hand in and not saying anything
> at all. I hereby give the "scooters' five years. By that time, most
> will be gone, as will most NLH games.

You might be right.
>
> Russ Georgiev
>
> www.pokermafia.com
> www.pokerunchecked.com
> www.russgeorgiev.com

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 19:18:54
From: bgadams
Subject: Re: Scooter Talk---"Nice Hand"----Russ G
On Jan 27 2009 10:29 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:

> WTF is a "nice hand"? An all in guy hits runner-runner in a gigantic
> pot and thats a "nice hand"? You have a one card out and hit it and
> thats a "nice hand"?
>
> I played poker all my life and never heard "nice hand' until about
> 2003, when the scooters moved in. Previously, the terms used were
> "take it", "best hand", F*K, and about everything else, but "nice
> hand".
>
> The most common thing was tossing your hand in and not saying anything
> at all. I hereby give the "scooters' five years. By that time, most
> will be gone, as will most NLH games.
>
> Russ Georgiev
>
> www.pokermafia.com
> www.pokerunchecked.com
> www.russgeorgiev.com

Agree that it sounds kinda stupid, but the donks consider it a compliment.
I use it to encourage them to continue playing that way, as though it was
a brilliant play.

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