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Date: 16 Dec 2008 18:31:57
From: Travel A
Subject: Sail On Sailor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqEBDVOxz-0





 
Date: 17 Dec 2008 23:19:48
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: Sail On Sailor
On Dec 16 2008 6:31 PM, Travel A wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqEBDVOxz-0

Hey Travel, great song, I agree with you on this one. I also like this
live version on Letterman by Brian Wilson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BakwE9cjSc&feature=related


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Date: 18 Dec 2008 10:10:08
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: Sail On Sailor
This is my sailor-boy anthem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRggYS0eP_U

or this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dulsX2moLXI&feature=related


On Dec 18 2008 2:19 AM, brewmaster wrote:

> On Dec 16 2008 6:31 PM, Travel A wrote:
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqEBDVOxz-0
>
> Hey Travel, great song, I agree with you on this one. I also like this
> live version on Letterman by Brian Wilson:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BakwE9cjSc&feature=related
>
>
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Date: 18 Dec 2008 12:29:50
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Sail On Sailor
On Dec 18 2008 12:10 PM, garycarson wrote:

> This is my sailor-boy anthem
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRggYS0eP_U
>
> or this one
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dulsX2moLXI&feature=related
>
That was awesome

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Date: 17 Dec 2008 03:49:44
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Sail On Sailor
On Dec 16 2008 8:31 PM, Travel A wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqEBDVOxz-0

http://1000days.net/home/

Turns out the guy is a scum bag that owes 11k in child support, but 3
years at sea out of sight of land is pretty amazing. I guess when he gets
back he can write a book and make enough money to pay his bills.
According to Wiki, he built the boat himself.

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Date: 18 Dec 2008 00:59:48
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Sail On Sailor


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On Dec 16 2008 8:31 PM, Travel A wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqEBDVOxz-0

http://1000days.net/home/

Turns out the guy is a scum bag that owes 11k in child support, but 3
years at sea out of sight of land is pretty amazing. I guess when he
gets
back he can write a book and make enough money to pay his bills.
According to Wiki, he built the boat himself.

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That is amazing. He really did: "had a notion to sail the ocean".

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Date: 17 Dec 2008 07:43:12
From: Tad Perry
Subject: Re: Sail On Sailor
"Will_gamble" <will_gamble2@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:oj5n16xkhh.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 16 2008 8:31 PM, Travel A wrote:
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqEBDVOxz-0
>
> http://1000days.net/home/
>
> Turns out the guy is a scum bag that owes 11k in child support, but 3
> years at sea out of sight of land is pretty amazing. I guess when he gets
> back he can write a book and make enough money to pay his bills.
> According to Wiki, he built the boat himself.

Some guys get it shoved so far up their ass re: child support that they just
refuse to cooperate and become openly in contempt of court. I pay my child
support (in fact, I just sent my ex 3x more than required because she's in
trouble), but I can comprehend how this happens, particularly in cases where
the guy is legitemately out of a job, but is forced to pay child support
based on what he used to earn. You can get behind by 11k pretty quickly in a
situation like this, and if you're being crushed by a system that fails to
admit there is such a thing as true unemployment that can last awhile, you
just might decide to run, too, because they can and do put these people in
jail over a contempt of court charge.

Unfortunately, it's total selfishness on the part of these guys that do run
like this. He should be doing everything he can to be a part of his
children's lives. No court will put a guy in jail if he consistently
exhibits that, and while the system has tools it can screw you with, it is
possible in some cases to forgive past child support completely.

In the end, the closer you are to your children, the better off you will
fair.

tvp




   
Date: 17 Dec 2008 12:16:00
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Sail On Sailor

"Tad Perry" <tadperry@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:gib6o8$t40$1@news.motzarella.org...
> "Will_gamble" <will_gamble2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:oj5n16xkhh.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> On Dec 16 2008 8:31 PM, Travel A wrote:
>>
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqEBDVOxz-0
>>
>> http://1000days.net/home/
>>
>> Turns out the guy is a scum bag that owes 11k in child support, but 3
>> years at sea out of sight of land is pretty amazing. I guess when he
>> gets
>> back he can write a book and make enough money to pay his bills.
>> According to Wiki, he built the boat himself.
>
> Some guys get it shoved so far up their ass re: child support that they
> just
> refuse to cooperate and become openly in contempt of court. I pay my child
> support (in fact, I just sent my ex 3x more than required because she's in
> trouble), but I can comprehend how this happens, particularly in cases
> where
> the guy is legitemately out of a job, but is forced to pay child support
> based on what he used to earn. You can get behind by 11k pretty quickly in
> a
> situation like this, and if you're being crushed by a system that fails to
> admit there is such a thing as true unemployment that can last awhile, you
> just might decide to run, too, because they can and do put these people in
> jail over a contempt of court charge.
>
> Unfortunately, it's total selfishness on the part of these guys that do
> run
> like this. He should be doing everything he can to be a part of his
> children's lives. No court will put a guy in jail if he consistently
> exhibits that, and while the system has tools it can screw you with, it is
> possible in some cases to forgive past child support completely.
>
> In the end, the closer you are to your children, the better off you will
> fair.
>
> tvp

If you have them, you support them. Saw a story on the local news last
night about people getting free groceries at a neighborhood charity food
bank. They had one big lard assed woman on there who looked like she hadn't
missed a meal in the last decade. She's talking about how hard it is for
her to feed her "keeds" on the monthly government support check she gets.
This bitch has got six kids - one is a new born and another looks to be less
than two years old.
If she's so bad off, why keep having more kids and where the hell are the
fathers of this brood? They followed that up with a story about a tax payer
funded computer learning center down in the hood that is closing due to
budtget cuts. Again, some woman talking about how she's been spending her
days on the computer at the center with her mom "since she was a keed" and
she's just devastated it's going to close. Turns out her aunt and two of
her grown cousins hang out there every day as well, surfing the net and
playing video games. Jesus wept! The place is supposed to be a "learning
center", as in learn a skill and go get a J-O-B!

So yeah, times are tough, some people need temporary help and I've got no
problem with that. But a lot of these folks seem to be second and third
generation professional welfare leeches. Just another by-product of the
entitlement mentality.

Irish Mike




    
Date: 18 Dec 2008 10:01:16
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: Sail On Sailor
On Dec 17 2008 12:16 PM, Irish Mike wrote:


> playing video games. Jesus wept! The place is supposed to be a "learning
> center", as in learn a skill and go get a J-O-B!

Why would Jesus cry about this?

If he's the Mexican Jesus he shouyld just go back across the river anyway.

If he's the JewBoy Jesus he can just make them some bread, fish, and wine
to pass out to whomever wants some.

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Date: 17 Dec 2008 15:00:54
From: Tad Perry
Subject: Re: Sail On Sailor
"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:rta2l.10824$YU2.779@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> "Tad Perry" <tadperry@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:gib6o8$t40$1@news.motzarella.org...
> > "Will_gamble" <will_gamble2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:oj5n16xkhh.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> On Dec 16 2008 8:31 PM, Travel A wrote:
> >>
> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqEBDVOxz-0
> >>
> >> http://1000days.net/home/
> >>
> >> Turns out the guy is a scum bag that owes 11k in child support, but 3
> >> years at sea out of sight of land is pretty amazing. I guess when he
> >> gets
> >> back he can write a book and make enough money to pay his bills.
> >> According to Wiki, he built the boat himself.
> >
> > Some guys get it shoved so far up their ass re: child support that they
> > just
> > refuse to cooperate and become openly in contempt of court. I pay my
child
> > support (in fact, I just sent my ex 3x more than required because she's
in
> > trouble), but I can comprehend how this happens, particularly in cases
> > where
> > the guy is legitemately out of a job, but is forced to pay child support
> > based on what he used to earn. You can get behind by 11k pretty quickly
in
> > a
> > situation like this, and if you're being crushed by a system that fails
to
> > admit there is such a thing as true unemployment that can last awhile,
you
> > just might decide to run, too, because they can and do put these people
in
> > jail over a contempt of court charge.
> >
> > Unfortunately, it's total selfishness on the part of these guys that do
> > run
> > like this. He should be doing everything he can to be a part of his
> > children's lives. No court will put a guy in jail if he consistently
> > exhibits that, and while the system has tools it can screw you with, it
is
> > possible in some cases to forgive past child support completely.
> >
> > In the end, the closer you are to your children, the better off you will
> > fair.
> >
> > tvp
>
> If you have them, you support them. Saw a story on the local news last
> night about people getting free groceries at a neighborhood charity food
> bank. They had one big lard assed woman on there who looked like she
hadn't
> missed a meal in the last decade. She's talking about how hard it is for
> her to feed her "keeds" on the monthly government support check she gets.
> This bitch has got six kids - one is a new born and another looks to be
less
> than two years old.
> If she's so bad off, why keep having more kids and where the hell are the
> fathers of this brood? They followed that up with a story about a tax
payer
> funded computer learning center down in the hood that is closing due to
> budtget cuts. Again, some woman talking about how she's been spending her
> days on the computer at the center with her mom "since she was a keed" and
> she's just devastated it's going to close. Turns out her aunt and two of
> her grown cousins hang out there every day as well, surfing the net and
> playing video games. Jesus wept! The place is supposed to be a "learning
> center", as in learn a skill and go get a J-O-B!
>
> So yeah, times are tough, some people need temporary help and I've got no
> problem with that. But a lot of these folks seem to be second and third
> generation professional welfare leeches. Just another by-product of the
> entitlement mentality.

Very hard to disagree with you. There are plenty of women (not all
obviously) in this nation who view children as income from both welfare and
child support checks. I do have a bit of compassion for dad's who are behind
in payments due to honestly being unemployed (the system is pretty mean to
these guys, too, btw), but not for those that dump and run on little kids. I
really can't understand those dads because I *wanted* a family and I could
never just disappear on them. It's not even in me. There is a definite
"deadbeat" class that doesn't warrant much compassion, but there's another
type of person that sometimes gets lumped in with them that tries to do
everything they can for their children, but who are merely out of work
temporarily or being lied about by their ex. Finally, if someone is involved
with an ex that is refusing to allow visitation, they need to act
immediately and take it in to the judge or it looks like you've abandoned
them. If you fail to pay child support in protest, there will be proof that
you haven't paid, but it will be your word against your ex's regarding the
reason for lack of visitation. In a case of your word against someone
else's, courts tend to assume that everyone is lying.

tvp




     
Date: 18 Dec 2008 00:50:04
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Sail On Sailor
Tad Perry wrote:

If you fail to pay child support in protest, there will be proof that
you haven't paid, but it will be your word against your ex's regarding
the
reason for lack of visitation. In a case of your word against someone
else's, courts tend to assume that everyone is lying."

.......................................................................

Uh, you're sure about that?

I haven't disagreed with your comments until the above.

In this case, the courts don't assume everyone's lying. The left wing
courts are always quite sure the male is the scum of the earth and the
woman's an automatic victim.

Whoever (not whomever) gets custody of kids should support them. Women
actually have the advantage, now, in the work force. They have no
trouble getting a job, any job, at any pay level. They go to the top of
the lists for municipal, government and utility company jobs along with
blacks. Because there are no women and minority hiring quotas, private
companies go overboard in hiring women over men.

The left wing has set-up affirmative action, propaganda and tax codes
that put woman in the work force instead of staying at home and raising
kids. Why is it, all of a sudden, if there's a divorce, the courts view
women as unable to work, have to stay at home and need child support?

The left wing courts won't consider granting child custody, equally, to
both parents. If there are two kids for example, split them up and each
parent can take care of/support one of the kids. If the father wants
custody of a single child, flip a coin.

It's a huge double standard to force Affirmative Action, where women
are given job preference, and then turn it around where the courts
wrongly regard the woman as somehow economically deprived in society
when ruling on child support.

Riiiight, there's equality, except when the left wing doesn't want
things to be equal.

Look around, I haven't had a mailman deliver the mail in decades.
They're practically all mailgirls now. Notice who's driving all the
busses, toll collectors, public transportation workers, firegirls.

And they're all fatfucks, on top of it all.
It isn't exactly as if they're Hooter's Girls.


When's the last time you saw an airline stewardess who was under 150
years old?

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Date: 18 Dec 2008 11:16:49
From: Tad Perry
Subject: Re: Sail On Sailor
"Travel" <nine510@webtv.net > wrote in message
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> Tad Perry wrote:
>
> If you fail to pay child support in protest, there will be proof that
> you haven't paid, but it will be your word against your ex's regarding
> the
> reason for lack of visitation. In a case of your word against someone
> else's, courts tend to assume that everyone is lying."
>
> .......................................................................
>
> Uh, you're sure about that?
>
> I haven't disagreed with your comments until the above.
>
> In this case, the courts don't assume everyone's lying. The left wing
> courts are always quite sure the male is the scum of the earth and the
> woman's an automatic victim.

I made an overly broad statement. The courts are very well aware that either
side may be lying, but they won't ever pursue a penalty of perjury charge
against anyone. They fully expect people to lie, but they aren't trying to
catch them and punish them for it. The reason it looks like they believe the
female and not the male is that if the female lies about abuse of herself or
the kid, the judge will act on it even if they don't necessarily believe it
in a "cover his/her own ass" move. They just can't afford to get caught
disbelieving someone and then some little kid or ex-wife gets beaten to
death. Even so, in reality they actually think just about everyone is lying
or capable of lying.

> Whoever (not whomever) gets custody of kids should support them. Women
> actually have the advantage, now, in the work force. They have no
> trouble getting a job, any job, at any pay level. They go to the top of
> the lists for municipal, government and utility company jobs along with
> blacks. Because there are no women and minority hiring quotas, private
> companies go overboard in hiring women over men.
>
> The left wing has set-up affirmative action, propaganda and tax codes
> that put woman in the work force instead of staying at home and raising
> kids. Why is it, all of a sudden, if there's a divorce, the courts view
> women as unable to work, have to stay at home and need child support?
>
> The left wing courts won't consider granting child custody, equally, to
> both parents. If there are two kids for example, split them up and each
> parent can take care of/support one of the kids. If the father wants
> custody of a single child, flip a coin.
>
> It's a huge double standard to force Affirmative Action, where women
> are given job preference, and then turn it around where the courts
> wrongly regard the woman as somehow economically deprived in society
> when ruling on child support.
>
> Riiiight, there's equality, except when the left wing doesn't want
> things to be equal.
>
> Look around, I haven't had a mailman deliver the mail in decades.
> They're practically all mailgirls now. Notice who's driving all the
> busses, toll collectors, public transportation workers, firegirls.
>
> And they're all fatfucks, on top of it all.
> It isn't exactly as if they're Hooter's Girls.
>
> When's the last time you saw an airline stewardess who was under 150
> years old?

It's been awhile, but I'm returning to Hawaii in January, so I'll be sure to
see one then.

tvp