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Date: 10 Feb 2009 13:33:57
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Russ G screws RGP
In 2001, Russ G appeared on RGP, with his cohorts. 2001, all hell
breaks loose on RGP, as Russ G is attacked from every conceivable
source. Doyle, Forrest, Greenstein, Duke, Seidel, Lederer, Sklansky,
Shulman, Dalla, Negreanu, Caro and dozens of others in the world of
poker attack Russ Georgiev.

Out of all the attackers, none stated the following, "I wasn't a great
player or a WCP". They stated just about everything else, but no one
denouced my playing ability. The reason was simple, I was too well
know to the honest professionals and stating this would prove them
liars.

Later in 2001 and 2002. Mike Caro gives the Famous Cheating Tapes and
chips to Barry Shulman and Marshall Ragir who gives them to their
lawyers.

The agreement stated these tapes would not be shown to anyone. Now,
while these people thought Russ G was going to sell these tapes, Russ
pulls a reverse, starts making copies of the tapes and sends out about
3000 copies in the next year, paying all postage, which was substanial
as sending tapes to Europe and Australia costs in excess of $20 first
class mail.

Tape cost about $1.20, avaerage postage $6.00 as I sent first class.
In 2003, I have DVDs made for about $1.50 each. I send them out for
free, postage paid. Total cost for sending this free information far
in excess of $30,000.

Now, Russ G doesn't like winning. He likes to destroy, winnings not
enough. He starts having his sites built and posting Theory Strategy
online. Has his boiler rooms built. Hires people from RGP to write
books and do his computer work. Pays in all probability, far more than
the going price, over $40,000.

More flack from attackers, so Russ offers to back anyone willing to
play $100 for three $33 sit & goes on Party Poker with the money to be
split. One condition. Those who took the offer must post the results,
win or lose. Funny thing, NO LOSERS. In the month of promos for Russ
G, he wins in excess of $5,000 playing $33 sit & goes for these
players.

Now, instead of taking his 50% as per agreement, Russ tells all the
players to keep the money.

End of 2003 or the beginning of 2004, www.pokermafia.com opens. Russ G
posts his leson prices, plus fee for joing www.pokermafia.com

Many join, numerous heavy weight players even pay large sums to learn
split games. especially Stud 8 which is most players weak game in a
mixed game format when playing large stakes.

Opting for the $500 an hour for giving lessons, or three hours for
$1,000, some opted for straight payment, while others asked if I was
up to playing some reasonable stake games online for a 50% cut instead
of the $500 an hour. Knowing it was actually in my best interest to
take 50%, I gave them the choice. Basic low level, $30-$60.

Out of dozens who paid or took lessons, NO ONE lost, except perhaps
Pokerchimp who came out perhaps $100 loser, which I made up through
other means, such as backing.

Funny, when a professional such as myself, who blew the whistle on the
cheats gives lessons online, it's supposedly a joke to some. However,
when you have a person like Fellknight or Fossilman do the same, it's
not? One is in the Army, while the other is a lawyer. If you wanted
lessons in poker, would you go to the Army or a law firm or a
professional poker player?

Next, I am asking in total earnest. Anyone who I have taken advantage
of on RGP, plus anyone who's lost money on me, please respond with
what I did and how much you lost dealing with me.

Now comes 2005. I decide to rub more noses into people faces by
backing numerous people I never met into WSOP events. I invest at
least $50,000 backing people, not cashing for a cent. Among those back
was gary Carson, 3 events I think. William Coleman, 3 events I think.
Tanya Peck, Rick Charles, Mary Igleasias and numerous others. I even
backed enemies like Razz0.

Meanwhile throughout the years I get a constant stream of emails for
help. I'm very weak on the NO department and helped many, none for
less than a 4 figure amount. I shall not name these people.

In 2003, I gave a person lessons. He went by Mr.Buckeye on the site.
He called and wanted lessons. He asked if we could play for reasonable
amounts instead of the $500 an hour. We started off playing $200
single table sit & goes. We won the first one, the guy was
dumbfounded. We won the second, the third, the fourth, the fifth. He
couldn't believe what he was seeing. Asked if we could play a $200
multiplayer tourney. OK, sign up, but it's boring just playing one
game, especially a MTT. We start playing more $200 sit & goes.

Site goes down after half the players are gone in the sit & go. We
wait. Site goes back on and we are credited with close to a double up
on the sit & go. MTT is still going and we're doing fine.

Sign up for more $200s.We play three more, winning one, coming second
on one and losing one. Sit & go record for the $200s that night. 9
played, 6 Wins, 1 2nd, one cash and one loss.

No more sit and goes as we're into the money on the MTT. It's a long
night, but I win the MTT tourney and about a $30,000 first place. Guy
can't believe it. Obviously, I have concerns since I have about
$20,000 coming to me. I explain how to cash out, but Mr. Buckeye
thinks he has a better way.

He cashes out. His account is frozen by Party. Though he has gone
through all the hoops on Neteller and Party, he goes through them
again. Two weeks go by, Party lets the money out. Cashes out into
Neteller. Now, Neteller freezes his account. Ten days later his
account is unfrozen and cleared. He now sends me my share by Neteller.
I have no poker accounts in my name. My account is LILY WHITE. My
account is frozen.

I'm on the phone with Neteller for an hour, stating I have a business
account with them and have an online site where I give lessons. Money
arrives a week later in my bank account. We decide not to post about
our adventure.

Meanwhile, I have never been backed. I never asked for backing. I give
lessons and it's odds on if I did lose I would reimburse the person. I
had Raider Fan play for me on his account when I had several naysayers
take me up on a cashing bet in a MTT. Yes, I won.

I gave Dave (Raider Fan) the win. Dave posts an email that he has his
last $10 or so on the site. We play $10 heads-up sit & goes. Can't
play higher, as thats all he has. We win every $10 heads-up sit & go
we play. Finally have enough to play some more, even a larger MTT. We
play it, take a tough beat. Just to make things "Kosher:)", I have
someone send Dave half the tourney buy-in, even though I had won the
money on the sit & goes for the tourney. I also send Dave a free book.

Ok, RGG, please tell me who I have screwed? I do things for myself,
not for others. Just like when I sent out FREE marked cards and
challenged players to find the markings. Sent cards out to about 50
people. Only one who found the markings was Jack Fox, a Reno Lawyer
and friend of Doyles. The others couldn't find anything.

We have our hypocrites like Moronphy and Wayne Vinson, whom have as
much poker knowledge as I have computer knowledge. To them, it's fine
that Fellknight, Tanya, Fossilman and others sell 100% of themselves
when they're not even professional players.

Professional players don't usually give much credit to other pros
ability. However, out of all the name pros who have responded to me,
not a single one has denoucned my playing ability, though they've
called me about everything else.

RGP is the judge and jury. Who has had any dealings with me where they
think I have screwed them, enticed them, tried to take advantage of
them? Please speak up.

All I know is the following to be true. I win for all those who want
lessons. I gave a lesson the other night on a game I stated had less
kill than games I would normally teach. It was a MTT tourney from a
regular on RGP. We went deep into the tourney, about three hours. I
believe I taught the person some fine points.It was even that large a
tourney. My time is worth something, just as everyone elses is. All
ended well and I sent the person a book.

Now for Moronphy or Wayne Vinson, can you possibly believe it's a
better bet to back a Fellknight, Tanya Peck or a Fossilman than me, if
I wanted backing? First, I don't want backing, I want it all. But, you
guys seems like hypocrites at best, by condoning the others, but
attacking the true professional.

Russ Georgiev

www.pokermafia.com
www.pokerunchecked.com
www.russgeorgiev.com




 
Date: 11 Feb 2009 17:41:26
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
On Feb 11, 8:34=A0pm, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com >
wrote:
> Oh for those days in 71-72 again:)

All too soon I'm gonna BE 71-72 but it's been a good trip.

--
Will in New Haven


>
> On Feb 11, 11:52 am, Will in New Haven
>
> <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 11, 2:42 pm, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > I mean no disrepect at all to him. I have never met him and have
> > > nothing against him. My opening was too harsh, for which I apologize.
> > > I am not a judge, so what will be, will be. However, I know hundreds
> > > of winning poker players. Most barely capable of paying the bills.
>
> > There are life skills beyond poker and spending can break you as fast
> > as losing. For the time, given inflation, I was a very big winning
> > player in private games in 1971 and 1972 but I couldn't keep any money
> > at all. Good times, though.
>
> > --
> > Will in New Haven



 
Date: 11 Feb 2009 17:34:49
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
Oh for those days in 71-72 again:)





On Feb 11, 11:52=EF=BF=BDam, Will in New Haven
<bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com > wrote:
> On Feb 11, 2:42=EF=BF=BDpm, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I mean no disrepect at all to him. I have never met him and have
> > nothing against him. My opening was too harsh, for which I apologize.
> > I am not a judge, so what will be, will be. However, I know hundreds
> > of winning poker players. Most barely capable of paying the bills.
>
> There are life skills beyond poker and spending can break you as fast
> as losing. For the time, given inflation, I was a very big winning
> player in private games in 1971 and 1972 but I couldn't keep any money
> at all. Good times, though.
>
> --
> Will in New Haven



 
Date: 11 Feb 2009 11:52:32
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
On Feb 11, 2:42=A0pm, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com >
wrote:
> I mean no disrepect at all to him. I have never met him and have
> nothing against him. My opening was too harsh, for which I apologize.
> I am not a judge, so what will be, will be. However, I know hundreds
> of winning poker players. Most barely capable of paying the bills.

There are life skills beyond poker and spending can break you as fast
as losing. For the time, given inflation, I was a very big winning
player in private games in 1971 and 1972 but I couldn't keep any money
at all. Good times, though.

--
Will in New Haven



 
Date: 11 Feb 2009 11:42:37
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
I mean no disrepect at all to him. I have never met him and have
nothing against him. My opening was too harsh, for which I apologize.
I am not a judge, so what will be, will be. However, I know hundreds
of winning poker players. Most barely capable of paying the bills.





On Feb 11, 10:46=EF=BF=BDam, Will in New Haven
<bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com > wrote:
> On Feb 11, 1:26=EF=BF=BDpm, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Will, a $5 blind PLHE game can't be considered hi-stakes poker. I have
> > no idea on how he did, as no one knew him until he won the WSOP event.
> > I played online with him and though he may have been a winning player,
> > I found him on almost all dog situations in pots we played against
> > each other. Some of this was after he had won the WSOP.
>
> Of course it can't be considered high-stakes but he wasn't playing
> high stakes. His bankroll consisted of however much he could make of
> it after an initial thousand-dollar investment from what I call
> "paycheck money." That was an agreement he had with his wife and he
> never seemed motivated to play higher except that he enjoyed big
> tournaments. This was something he wasn't afraid to discuss.
>
> As you pointed out, he was a lawyer and didn't need to win large
> amounts of money. However, even that polt-limit game required a
> bankroll well-expanded from his original thousand. Doggy's "insider
> information" was worthless, which was to be expected. The games he
> talks about almost never ran, unless they were hiding those games away
> from the poker room. If Raymer had had a losing streak in games like
> that he would have had to give up poker (or renegotiate with his wife,
> which might have been harder)
>
> Right before the WSoP that he won he seemed comfortably bankrolled for
> the games he DID play and that would indicate a winning record in
> those games because he really didn't have the option of investing more
> money without some problems with that agreement. He wasn't bankrolled
> to be playing ten thousand dollar main events, so he got some backers
> who were mostly doing it for fun.
>
> If someone says he wasn't a good player, I'm going to disagree with
> them but it's a matter of opinion and the definition of the word
> "good." If someone says that he was a losing player, I have much more
> reason to believe that they are wrong. His bankroll was not expandable
> except by winning at poker and he didn't go broke. Didn't get rich,
> either, before the WSoP, but he did ok.
>
> If someone says he is as good a player as you are, the only evidence I
> have is playing with him and talking with both of you about the game
> online. I would say you are better but I think you have no reason to
> disrespect him.
>
> --
> Will in New Haven



 
Date: 11 Feb 2009 10:46:00
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
On Feb 11, 1:26=A0pm, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com >
wrote:
> Will, a $5 blind PLHE game can't be considered hi-stakes poker. I have
> no idea on how he did, as no one knew him until he won the WSOP event.
> I played online with him and though he may have been a winning player,
> I found him on almost all dog situations in pots we played against
> each other. Some of this was after he had won the WSOP.

Of course it can't be considered high-stakes but he wasn't playing
high stakes. His bankroll consisted of however much he could make of
it after an initial thousand-dollar investment from what I call
"paycheck money." That was an agreement he had with his wife and he
never seemed motivated to play higher except that he enjoyed big
tournaments. This was something he wasn't afraid to discuss.

As you pointed out, he was a lawyer and didn't need to win large
amounts of money. However, even that polt-limit game required a
bankroll well-expanded from his original thousand. Doggy's "insider
information" was worthless, which was to be expected. The games he
talks about almost never ran, unless they were hiding those games away
from the poker room. If Raymer had had a losing streak in games like
that he would have had to give up poker (or renegotiate with his wife,
which might have been harder)

Right before the WSoP that he won he seemed comfortably bankrolled for
the games he DID play and that would indicate a winning record in
those games because he really didn't have the option of investing more
money without some problems with that agreement. He wasn't bankrolled
to be playing ten thousand dollar main events, so he got some backers
who were mostly doing it for fun.

If someone says he wasn't a good player, I'm going to disagree with
them but it's a matter of opinion and the definition of the word
"good." If someone says that he was a losing player, I have much more
reason to believe that they are wrong. His bankroll was not expandable
except by winning at poker and he didn't go broke. Didn't get rich,
either, before the WSoP, but he did ok.

If someone says he is as good a player as you are, the only evidence I
have is playing with him and talking with both of you about the game
online. I would say you are better but I think you have no reason to
disrespect him.

--
Will in New Haven



 
Date: 11 Feb 2009 10:26:01
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
Will, a $5 blind PLHE game can't be considered hi-stakes poker. I have
no idea on how he did, as no one knew him until he won the WSOP event.
I played online with him and though he may have been a winning player,
I found him on almost all dog situations in pots we played against
each other. Some of this was after he had won the WSOP.






On Feb 11, 6:32=EF=BF=BDam, Will in New Haven
<bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com > wrote:
> On Feb 10, 11:22=EF=BF=BDpm, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote=
:
>
> > On Feb 10 2009 6:02 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 10 2009 5:18 PM, hennieholden wrote:
>
> > > > Yes,first post. Would care to have the following question answered.
> > > > Did Greg Raymer already have a win at the wsop prior to asking for
> > > > backing? If not, it would seem you would =EF=BF=BDbe backing an unk=
nown
> > > > commidity.
>
> > > I'm not sure about what Raymer's credentials were before his WSOP win=
.
> > > However, it doesn't appear to me that Russ was asking about the backi=
ng of
> > > Raymer prior to the WSOP, but just him in general.
>
> > raymer was a daily "producer" in the 75-150 to 150-300 split games at
> > Foxwoods . he was a losing player
>
> Who told you that? He couldn't have been a daily losing player in the
> games you mention because _those games didn't run daily_ or even very
> often. You are making shit up or someone is lying to you and, since he
> is telling you what you want to believe, you believe him.
>
> Greg was a winning player in the five-dollar blind PLHE game that was
> run before the NL games took over. He was a winning player in the
> twently-forty LHE game that did run daily. He wasn't the biggest
> winner or considered the best player in either game.
>
> --
> Will in New Haven



 
Date: 11 Feb 2009 06:32:48
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
On Feb 10, 11:22=A0pm, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Feb 10 2009 6:02 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
> > On Feb 10 2009 5:18 PM, hennieholden wrote:
>
> > > Yes,first post. Would care to have the following question answered.
> > > Did Greg Raymer already have a win at the wsop prior to asking for
> > > backing? If not, it would seem you would =A0be backing an unknown
> > > commidity.
>
> > I'm not sure about what Raymer's credentials were before his WSOP win.
> > However, it doesn't appear to me that Russ was asking about the backing=
of
> > Raymer prior to the WSOP, but just him in general.
>
> raymer was a daily "producer" in the 75-150 to 150-300 split games at
> Foxwoods . he was a losing player

Who told you that? He couldn't have been a daily losing player in the
games you mention because _those games didn't run daily_ or even very
often. You are making shit up or someone is lying to you and, since he
is telling you what you want to believe, you believe him.

Greg was a winning player in the five-dollar blind PLHE game that was
run before the NL games took over. He was a winning player in the
twently-forty LHE game that did run daily. He wasn't the biggest
winner or considered the best player in either game.

--
Will in New Haven


 
Date: 10 Feb 2009 23:20:47
From: RAZZO RUSS SUCK THE BIG ONE
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
everyone that gives a shit please say so i make the over/under at 2
I'll take the under and we'll even count the scumbag



On Feb 10 2009 4:33 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:

> In 2001, Russ G appeared on RGP, with his cohorts. 2001, all hell
> breaks loose on RGP, as Russ G is attacked from every conceivable
> source. Doyle, Forrest, Greenstein, Duke, Seidel, Lederer, Sklansky,
> Shulman, Dalla, Negreanu, Caro and dozens of others in the world of
> poker attack Russ Georgiev.
>
> Out of all the attackers, none stated the following, "I wasn't a great
> player or a WCP". They stated just about everything else, but no one
> denouced my playing ability. The reason was simple, I was too well
> know to the honest professionals and stating this would prove them
> liars.
>
> Later in 2001 and 2002. Mike Caro gives the Famous Cheating Tapes and
> chips to Barry Shulman and Marshall Ragir who gives them to their
> lawyers.
>
> The agreement stated these tapes would not be shown to anyone. Now,
> while these people thought Russ G was going to sell these tapes, Russ
> pulls a reverse, starts making copies of the tapes and sends out about
> 3000 copies in the next year, paying all postage, which was substanial
> as sending tapes to Europe and Australia costs in excess of $20 first
> class mail.
>
> Tape cost about $1.20, avaerage postage $6.00 as I sent first class.
> In 2003, I have DVDs made for about $1.50 each. I send them out for
> free, postage paid. Total cost for sending this free information far
> in excess of $30,000.
>
> Now, Russ G doesn't like winning. He likes to destroy, winnings not
> enough. He starts having his sites built and posting Theory Strategy
> online. Has his boiler rooms built. Hires people from RGP to write
> books and do his computer work. Pays in all probability, far more than
> the going price, over $40,000.
>
> More flack from attackers, so Russ offers to back anyone willing to
> play $100 for three $33 sit & goes on Party Poker with the money to be
> split. One condition. Those who took the offer must post the results,
> win or lose. Funny thing, NO LOSERS. In the month of promos for Russ
> G, he wins in excess of $5,000 playing $33 sit & goes for these
> players.
>
> Now, instead of taking his 50% as per agreement, Russ tells all the
> players to keep the money.
>
> End of 2003 or the beginning of 2004, www.pokermafia.com opens. Russ G
> posts his leson prices, plus fee for joing www.pokermafia.com
>
> Many join, numerous heavy weight players even pay large sums to learn
> split games. especially Stud 8 which is most players weak game in a
> mixed game format when playing large stakes.
>
> Opting for the $500 an hour for giving lessons, or three hours for
> $1,000, some opted for straight payment, while others asked if I was
> up to playing some reasonable stake games online for a 50% cut instead
> of the $500 an hour. Knowing it was actually in my best interest to
> take 50%, I gave them the choice. Basic low level, $30-$60.
>
> Out of dozens who paid or took lessons, NO ONE lost, except perhaps
> Pokerchimp who came out perhaps $100 loser, which I made up through
> other means, such as backing.
>
> Funny, when a professional such as myself, who blew the whistle on the
> cheats gives lessons online, it's supposedly a joke to some. However,
> when you have a person like Fellknight or Fossilman do the same, it's
> not? One is in the Army, while the other is a lawyer. If you wanted
> lessons in poker, would you go to the Army or a law firm or a
> professional poker player?
>
> Next, I am asking in total earnest. Anyone who I have taken advantage
> of on RGP, plus anyone who's lost money on me, please respond with
> what I did and how much you lost dealing with me.
>
> Now comes 2005. I decide to rub more noses into people faces by
> backing numerous people I never met into WSOP events. I invest at
> least $50,000 backing people, not cashing for a cent. Among those back
> was gary Carson, 3 events I think. William Coleman, 3 events I think.
> Tanya Peck, Rick Charles, Mary Igleasias and numerous others. I even
> backed enemies like Razz0.
>
> Meanwhile throughout the years I get a constant stream of emails for
> help. I'm very weak on the NO department and helped many, none for
> less than a 4 figure amount. I shall not name these people.
>
> In 2003, I gave a person lessons. He went by Mr.Buckeye on the site.
> He called and wanted lessons. He asked if we could play for reasonable
> amounts instead of the $500 an hour. We started off playing $200
> single table sit & goes. We won the first one, the guy was
> dumbfounded. We won the second, the third, the fourth, the fifth. He
> couldn't believe what he was seeing. Asked if we could play a $200
> multiplayer tourney. OK, sign up, but it's boring just playing one
> game, especially a MTT. We start playing more $200 sit & goes.
>
> Site goes down after half the players are gone in the sit & go. We
> wait. Site goes back on and we are credited with close to a double up
> on the sit & go. MTT is still going and we're doing fine.
>
> Sign up for more $200s.We play three more, winning one, coming second
> on one and losing one. Sit & go record for the $200s that night. 9
> played, 6 Wins, 1 2nd, one cash and one loss.
>
> No more sit and goes as we're into the money on the MTT. It's a long
> night, but I win the MTT tourney and about a $30,000 first place. Guy
> can't believe it. Obviously, I have concerns since I have about
> $20,000 coming to me. I explain how to cash out, but Mr. Buckeye
> thinks he has a better way.
>
> He cashes out. His account is frozen by Party. Though he has gone
> through all the hoops on Neteller and Party, he goes through them
> again. Two weeks go by, Party lets the money out. Cashes out into
> Neteller. Now, Neteller freezes his account. Ten days later his
> account is unfrozen and cleared. He now sends me my share by Neteller.
> I have no poker accounts in my name. My account is LILY WHITE. My
> account is frozen.
>
> I'm on the phone with Neteller for an hour, stating I have a business
> account with them and have an online site where I give lessons. Money
> arrives a week later in my bank account. We decide not to post about
> our adventure.
>
> Meanwhile, I have never been backed. I never asked for backing. I give
> lessons and it's odds on if I did lose I would reimburse the person. I
> had Raider Fan play for me on his account when I had several naysayers
> take me up on a cashing bet in a MTT. Yes, I won.
>
> I gave Dave (Raider Fan) the win. Dave posts an email that he has his
> last $10 or so on the site. We play $10 heads-up sit & goes. Can't
> play higher, as thats all he has. We win every $10 heads-up sit & go
> we play. Finally have enough to play some more, even a larger MTT. We
> play it, take a tough beat. Just to make things "Kosher:)", I have
> someone send Dave half the tourney buy-in, even though I had won the
> money on the sit & goes for the tourney. I also send Dave a free book.
>
> Ok, RGG, please tell me who I have screwed? I do things for myself,
> not for others. Just like when I sent out FREE marked cards and
> challenged players to find the markings. Sent cards out to about 50
> people. Only one who found the markings was Jack Fox, a Reno Lawyer
> and friend of Doyles. The others couldn't find anything.
>
> We have our hypocrites like Moronphy and Wayne Vinson, whom have as
> much poker knowledge as I have computer knowledge. To them, it's fine
> that Fellknight, Tanya, Fossilman and others sell 100% of themselves
> when they're not even professional players.
>
> Professional players don't usually give much credit to other pros
> ability. However, out of all the name pros who have responded to me,
> not a single one has denoucned my playing ability, though they've
> called me about everything else.
>
> RGP is the judge and jury. Who has had any dealings with me where they
> think I have screwed them, enticed them, tried to take advantage of
> them? Please speak up.
>
> All I know is the following to be true. I win for all those who want
> lessons. I gave a lesson the other night on a game I stated had less
> kill than games I would normally teach. It was a MTT tourney from a
> regular on RGP. We went deep into the tourney, about three hours. I
> believe I taught the person some fine points.It was even that large a
> tourney. My time is worth something, just as everyone elses is. All
> ended well and I sent the person a book.
>
> Now for Moronphy or Wayne Vinson, can you possibly believe it's a
> better bet to back a Fellknight, Tanya Peck or a Fossilman than me, if
> I wanted backing? First, I don't want backing, I want it all. But, you
> guys seems like hypocrites at best, by condoning the others, but
> attacking the true professional.
>
> Russ Georgiev
>
> www.pokermafia.com
> www.pokerunchecked.com
> www.russgeorgiev.com


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Date: 10 Feb 2009 18:43:58
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
Well known high stakes player in NJ? What a joke!!!! What do you call
hi-stakes? Hi-stakes is at least 75-150 cash, which means having a
playing BR of at least 25K. Not one player I know ever saw him play
these stakes in AC. Plus, if he had this cash on hand, why would he
need backing?




On Feb 10, 5:57=EF=BF=BDpm, "FellKnight" <jordandevenp...@hotmail.com > wrot=
e:
> On Feb 10 2009 6:18 PM, hennieholden wrote:
>
> > Yes,first post. Would care to have the following question answered.
> > Did Greg Raymer already have a win at the wsop prior to asking for
> > backing? If not, it would seem you would =EF=BF=BDbe backing an unknown
> > commidity.
>
> > HH
>
> At the WSOP? =EF=BF=BDNo I don't think so, but the man was a very well kn=
own high
> stakes winner in Atlantic City.
>
> Fell
> --
> "Don't underestimate Fell. =EF=BF=BDHe's a smart kid."
> - Paul Popinjay, RGP, Nov 15, 2008
>
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Date: 11 Feb 2009 09:16:31
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
On Feb 10 2009 8:43 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:

> Well known high stakes player in NJ? What a joke!!!! What do you call
> hi-stakes? Hi-stakes is at least 75-150 cash, which means having a
> playing BR of at least 25K. Not one player I know ever saw him play
> these stakes in AC. Plus, if he had this cash on hand, why would he
> need backing?

The fact that you think a 25K bankroll is sufficient to buy into a single
10k tournament shows how little you really understand about poker.

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Date: 10 Feb 2009 20:27:46
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
On Feb 10 2009 8:43 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:

> Well known high stakes player in NJ? What a joke!!!! What do you call
> hi-stakes? Hi-stakes is at least 75-150 cash, which means having a
> playing BR of at least 25K. Not one player I know ever saw him play
> these stakes in AC. Plus, if he had this cash on hand, why would he
> need backing?

he played green chip split games and sometimes 150-300 at Foxwoods .. he
was no threat
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 5:57�pm, "FellKnight" <jordandevenp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 10 2009 6:18 PM, hennieholden wrote:
> >
> > > Yes,first post. Would care to have the following question answered.
> > > Did Greg Raymer already have a win at the wsop prior to asking for
> > > backing? If not, it would seem you would �be backing an unknown
> > > commidity.
> >
> > > HH
> >
> > At the WSOP? �No I don't think so, but the man was a very well known high
> > stakes winner in Atlantic City.
> >
> > Fell
> > --
> > "Don't underestimate Fell. �He's a smart kid."
> > - Paul Popinjay, RGP, Nov 15, 2008
> >
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Date: 10 Feb 2009 18:09:54
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
On Feb 10, 8:38=A0pm, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com >
wrote:
> Will, I have no problem with you. But, I ask you the following
> question, several RGP regulars took lessons from me, made decent money
> and learned, yet numerous trolls state this is a ridiculous thing to
> do. Curious as to why it's OK to back non professionals, yet not take
> lessons from a top professional? As you know, not one poster who
> wasn't anonymous (but known to the poker world, couldn't denounce my
> ability), but these whatever you care to call them, denounce it?

Those are separate issues. And investments and lessons are somewhat
different things. If my job and poker, to a lesser extent, had not
earned me a reasonable modest retirement next year, I would happily be
paying for lessons from you. Just your material on Stud8, which you
posted for free, took it from my worst game in most mixed settings to
one where I have a bit of an edge.

But I don't think staking Raymer was a foolish thing to do. WINNING a
big tourney is a huge longshot for anyone but he was a good enough
player where the possibility of making some money wasn't too bad. And
remember, most of his backers put up little pieces of the total.

If you want to give people a hard time for doubting your credentials,
there are better ways to do it than criticizing something a group of
people did largely for fun some years ago. They were lucky that he did
that well but he was good enough that it didn't shock me to find out
he had made it deep into the money. And he got deep the next year,
playing better than the year that he won.


> I'll ask you the following, would you rather have your money of any of
> those mentioned when your life is at stake against me, or on me? Good
> players are a dime a dozen. Good players are also broke all the time

I would bet on you against any of the players I remember being
mentioned here. But no ones life was at stake.

--
Will in New Haven




 
Date: 10 Feb 2009 17:38:09
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
Will, I have no problem with you. But, I ask you the following
question, several RGP regulars took lessons from me, made decent money
and learned, yet numerous trolls state this is a ridiculous thing to
do. Curious as to why it's OK to back non professionals, yet not take
lessons from a top professional? As you know, not one poster who
wasn't anonymous (but known to the poker world, couldn't denounce my
ability), but these whatever you care to call them, denounce it?

I'll ask you the following, would you rather have your money of any of
those mentioned when your life is at stake against me, or on me? Good
players are a dime a dozen. Good players are also broke all the time.





On Feb 10, 5:07=EF=BF=BDpm, Will in New Haven
<bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com > wrote:
> On Feb 10, 7:33=EF=BF=BDpm, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Like Fellknit and Tanya Peck? =EF=BF=BDBut, he happened to hit? Fell or=
Tanya
> > could have hit just as easily. It's a lottery.
>
> Russ, as you know I believe that your understanding of what has
> happened in poker over the years is better than your detractors
> believe or want to believe. I also value your advice on the game.
>
> But Raymer was a very good player before he won the WSoP. Backing him
> was neither insane nor anything like a sure thing. It was a fun thing
> for a bunch of his friends and admirers to put up generally small
> amounts, although the total wasn't small. I wasn't around RGP much
> back then but I played with him at Foxwoods in cash games and
> tournaments. If I had known he was looking for backers, which I might
> have if I had been paying attention on RGP, I would have put up some
> money.
>
> What would it have been, a thousand dollars? Even for me that isn't
> much and here you are shrieking like he was swindling widows and
> orphans.
>
> He as a _lawyer_ that was his _day_ job.
>
> --
> Will in New Haven



 
Date: 10 Feb 2009 17:07:05
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
On Feb 10, 7:33=A0pm, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com >
wrote:
> Like Fellknit and Tanya Peck? =A0But, he happened to hit? Fell or Tanya
> could have hit just as easily. It's a lottery.

Russ, as you know I believe that your understanding of what has
happened in poker over the years is better than your detractors
believe or want to believe. I also value your advice on the game.

But Raymer was a very good player before he won the WSoP. Backing him
was neither insane nor anything like a sure thing. It was a fun thing
for a bunch of his friends and admirers to put up generally small
amounts, although the total wasn't small. I wasn't around RGP much
back then but I played with him at Foxwoods in cash games and
tournaments. If I had known he was looking for backers, which I might
have if I had been paying attention on RGP, I would have put up some
money.

What would it have been, a thousand dollars? Even for me that isn't
much and here you are shrieking like he was swindling widows and
orphans.

He as a _lawyer_ that was his _day_ job.

--
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Date: 10 Feb 2009 16:33:28
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
Like Fellknit and Tanya Peck? But, he happened to hit? Fell or Tanya
could have hit just as easily. It's a lottery.




On Feb 10, 4:29=EF=BF=BDpm, "Omaholic" <omaho...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 10 2009 4:10 PM, hennieholden wrote:
>
> > Why don't you look the answer up? HE HAD NO CREDENTIALS.
>
> > HH
>
> At the time, Raymer was well known on RGP for posting well thought out
> material. =EF=BF=BDIt's not like he was a complete unknown asking for bac=
king in
> his first post.
>
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Date: 10 Feb 2009 16:23:10
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
Hey Mo-ronphy, you check everything out, but what you don't want.
Raymer hadn't won anything but a satellite into a WSOP before he asked
for backing. Great investment, backing a lawyer who wasn't making
squat in poker. And you know he's a "stand up guy", because Joe Pesci
from Goodfellas told you? Or was it Johnny Brasco? Maybe the
Soprano's? Or even WhyKnow Vinson?





On Feb 10, 4:02=EF=BF=BDpm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Feb 10 2009 5:18 PM, hennieholden wrote:
>
> > Yes,first post. Would care to have the following question answered.
> > Did Greg Raymer already have a win at the wsop prior to asking for
> > backing? If not, it would seem you would =EF=BF=BDbe backing an unknown
> > commidity.
>
> I'm not sure about what Raymer's credentials were before his WSOP win.
> However, it doesn't appear to me that Russ was asking about the backing o=
f
> Raymer prior to the WSOP, but just him in general.
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" =EF=BF=BD--igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
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Date: 10 Feb 2009 16:10:14
From:
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
Why don't you look the answer up? HE HAD NO CREDENTIALS.

HH





On Feb 10, 4:02=A0pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Feb 10 2009 5:18 PM, hennieholden wrote:
>
> > Yes,first post. Would care to have the following question answered.
> > Did Greg Raymer already have a win at the wsop prior to asking for
> > backing? If not, it would seem you would =A0be backing an unknown
> > commidity.
>
> I'm not sure about what Raymer's credentials were before his WSOP win.
> However, it doesn't appear to me that Russ was asking about the backing o=
f
> Raymer prior to the WSOP, but just him in general.
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" =A0--igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
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Date: 10 Feb 2009 16:35:48
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
On Feb 10 2009 6:10 PM, hennieholden wrote:

> Why don't you look the answer up? HE HAD NO CREDENTIALS.

Ahh yes, the old first time poster who can't figure out how not to post a
blank post then defends Russ. Welcome to RGP Russ.

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Date: 10 Feb 2009 16:29:46
From: Omaholic
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
On Feb 10 2009 4:10 PM, hennieholden wrote:

> Why don't you look the answer up? HE HAD NO CREDENTIALS.
>
> HH
>


At the time, Raymer was well known on RGP for posting well thought out
material. It's not like he was a complete unknown asking for backing in
his first post.

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Date: 10 Feb 2009 16:07:47
From:
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
On Feb 10, 4:02=A0pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Feb 10 2009 5:18 PM, hennieholden wrote:
>
> > Yes,first post. Would care to have the following question answered.
> > Did Greg Raymer already have a win at the wsop prior to asking for
> > backing? If not, it would seem you would =A0be backing an unknown
> > commidity.
>
> I'm not sure about what Raymer's credentials were before his WSOP win.
> However, it doesn't appear to me that Russ was asking about the backing o=
f
> Raymer prior to the WSOP, but just him in general.
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" =A0--igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
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Date: 10 Feb 2009 15:18:09
From:
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
Yes,first post. Would care to have the following question answered.
Did Greg Raymer already have a win at the wsop prior to asking for
backing? If not, it would seem you would be backing an unknown
commidity.

HH





On Feb 10, 2:43=A0pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Feb 10 2009 3:33 PM, RussGeorg...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Now for Moronphy or Wayne Vinson, can you possibly believe it's a
> > better bet to back a Fellknight, Tanya Peck or a Fossilman than me, if
> > I wanted backing? First, I don't want backing, I want it all. But, you
> > guys seems like hypocrites at best, by condoning the others, but
> > attacking the true professional.
>
> Well let's see Ruyou'reafuckingmoronss (let's face it, if you're gonna us=
e
> the 3rd grade name calling then so will I), would I back a stand up guy
> who won a WSOP main event, or you, a scumbag cheating loser who has backe=
d
> down from every challenge ever offered in the history of RGP? =A0
>
> Actually that's a really good question Rufuckinidiotss. =A0I'll have to t=
ake
> some time to consider it. =A0I'll get back to you.
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" =A0--igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
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Date: 10 Feb 2009 17:57:59
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
On Feb 10 2009 6:18 PM, hennieholden wrote:

> Yes,first post. Would care to have the following question answered.
> Did Greg Raymer already have a win at the wsop prior to asking for
> backing? If not, it would seem you would be backing an unknown
> commidity.
>
> HH

At the WSOP? No I don't think so, but the man was a very well known high
stakes winner in Atlantic City.

Fell
--
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Date: 10 Feb 2009 16:02:39
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
On Feb 10 2009 5:18 PM, hennieholden wrote:

> Yes,first post. Would care to have the following question answered.
> Did Greg Raymer already have a win at the wsop prior to asking for
> backing? If not, it would seem you would be backing an unknown
> commidity.

I'm not sure about what Raymer's credentials were before his WSOP win.
However, it doesn't appear to me that Russ was asking about the backing of
Raymer prior to the WSOP, but just him in general.

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Date: 10 Feb 2009 20:22:33
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
On Feb 10 2009 6:02 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Feb 10 2009 5:18 PM, hennieholden wrote:
>
> > Yes,first post. Would care to have the following question answered.
> > Did Greg Raymer already have a win at the wsop prior to asking for
> > backing? If not, it would seem you would be backing an unknown
> > commidity.
>
> I'm not sure about what Raymer's credentials were before his WSOP win.
> However, it doesn't appear to me that Russ was asking about the backing of
> Raymer prior to the WSOP, but just him in general.

raymer was a daily "producer" in the 75-150 to 150-300 split games at
Foxwoods . he was a losing player
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra


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Date: 10 Feb 2009 15:09:41
From:
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
On Feb 10, 2:43=A0pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Feb 10 2009 3:33 PM, RussGeorg...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Now for Moronphy or Wayne Vinson, can you possibly believe it's a
> > better bet to back a Fellknight, Tanya Peck or a Fossilman than me, if
> > I wanted backing? First, I don't want backing, I want it all. But, you
> > guys seems like hypocrites at best, by condoning the others, but
> > attacking the true professional.
>
> Well let's see Ruyou'reafuckingmoronss (let's face it, if you're gonna us=
e
> the 3rd grade name calling then so will I), would I back a stand up guy
> who won a WSOP main event, or you, a scumbag cheating loser who has backe=
d
> down from every challenge ever offered in the history of RGP? =A0
>
> Actually that's a really good question Rufuckinidiotss. =A0I'll have to t=
ake
> some time to consider it. =A0I'll get back to you.
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" =A0--igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
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Date: 10 Feb 2009 14:43:34
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
On Feb 10 2009 3:33 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:

> Now for Moronphy or Wayne Vinson, can you possibly believe it's a
> better bet to back a Fellknight, Tanya Peck or a Fossilman than me, if
> I wanted backing? First, I don't want backing, I want it all. But, you
> guys seems like hypocrites at best, by condoning the others, but
> attacking the true professional.

Well let's see Ruyou'reafuckingmoronss (let's face it, if you're gonna use
the 3rd grade name calling then so will I), would I back a stand up guy
who won a WSOP main event, or you, a scumbag cheating loser who has backed
down from every challenge ever offered in the history of RGP?

Actually that's a really good question Rufuckinidiotss. I'll have to take
some time to consider it. I'll get back to you.

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Date: 10 Feb 2009 15:50:42
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
On Feb 10 2009 2:43 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Feb 10 2009 3:33 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Now for Moronphy or Wayne Vinson, can you possibly believe it's a
> > better bet to back a Fellknight, Tanya Peck or a Fossilman than me, if
> > I wanted backing? First, I don't want backing, I want it all. But, you
> > guys seems like hypocrites at best, by condoning the others, but
> > attacking the true professional.
>
> Well let's see Ruyou'reafuckingmoronss (let's face it, if you're gonna use
> the 3rd grade name calling then so will I), would I back a stand up guy
> who won a WSOP main event, or you, a scumbag cheating loser who has backed
> down from every challenge ever offered in the history of RGP?
>
> Actually that's a really good question Rufuckinidiotss. I'll have to take
> some time to consider it. I'll get back to you.
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com


You were right, Russ is a high end boner! Be careful with that thing now,
wouldn't want you to poke Mrs Morhpy's eye out.

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Date: 10 Feb 2009 14:04:40
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
On Feb 10 2009 3:33 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:

>
> Meanwhile, I have never been backed. I never asked for backing. I give
> lessons and it's odds on if I did lose I would reimburse the person. I
> had Raider Fan play for me on his account when I had several naysayers
> take me up on a cashing bet in a MTT. Yes, I won.
>
> I gave Dave (Raider Fan) the win. Dave posts an email that he has his
> last $10 or so on the site. We play $10 heads-up sit & goes. Can't
> play higher, as thats all he has. We win every $10 heads-up sit & go
> we play. Finally have enough to play some more, even a larger MTT. We
> play it, take a tough beat. Just to make things "Kosher:)", I have
> someone send Dave half the tourney buy-in, even though I had won the
> money on the sit & goes for the tourney. I also send Dave a free book.
>

Russ fails to mention how fun he is to talk to in addition to his valuable
advice. Thanks again Russ!

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Date: 10 Feb 2009 16:27:34
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP

"Raider Fan" <raidersgotscrewed1@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:o8a966xr8e.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 10 2009 3:33 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Meanwhile, I have never been backed. I never asked for backing. I give
>> lessons and it's odds on if I did lose I would reimburse the person. I
>> had Raider Fan play for me on his account when I had several naysayers
>> take me up on a cashing bet in a MTT. Yes, I won.
>>
>> I gave Dave (Raider Fan) the win. Dave posts an email that he has his
>> last $10 or so on the site. We play $10 heads-up sit & goes. Can't
>> play higher, as thats all he has. We win every $10 heads-up sit & go
>> we play. Finally have enough to play some more, even a larger MTT. We
>> play it, take a tough beat. Just to make things "Kosher:)", I have
>> someone send Dave half the tourney buy-in, even though I had won the
>> money on the sit & goes for the tourney. I also send Dave a free book.
>>
>
> Russ fails to mention how fun he is to talk to in addition to his valuable
> advice. Thanks again Russ!

It's all the naysayers that don't know him.




 
Date: 10 Feb 2009 14:01:04
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
Wino, you must have a doctors license somewhere. You seem to be an
expert on everything, so a doctor wouldn't be that hard? Perhaps a
vetenarian? No, not a vegetarian.



On Feb 10, 1:48=EF=BF=BDpm, "Wayne Vinson" <a7a8...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Feb 10 2009 3:33 PM, RussGeorg...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In 2001, Russ G appeared on RGP, with his cohorts. 2001, all hell
> > breaks loose on RGP, as Russ G is attacked from every conceivable
> > source. Doyle, Forrest, Greenstein, Duke, Seidel, Lederer, Sklansky,
> > Shulman, Dalla, Negreanu, Caro and dozens of others in the world of
> > poker attack Russ Georgiev.
>
> > Out of all the attackers, none stated the following, "I wasn't a great
> > player or a WCP". They stated just about everything else, but no one
> > denouced my playing ability. The reason was simple, I was too well
> > know to the honest professionals and stating this would prove them
> > liars.
>
> > Later in 2001 and 2002. Mike Caro gives the Famous Cheating Tapes and
> > chips to Barry Shulman and Marshall Ragir who gives them to their
> > lawyers.
>
> > The agreement stated these tapes would not be shown to anyone. Now,
> > while these people thought Russ G was going to sell these tapes, Russ
> > pulls a reverse, starts making copies of the tapes and sends out about
> > 3000 copies in the next year, paying all postage, which was substanial
> > as sending tapes to Europe and Australia costs in excess of $20 first
> > class mail.
>
> > Tape cost about $1.20, avaerage postage $6.00 as I sent first class.
> > In 2003, I have DVDs made for about $1.50 =EF=BF=BDeach. I send them ou=
t for
> > free, postage paid. Total cost for sending this free information far
> > in excess of $30,000.
>
> > Now, Russ G doesn't like winning. He likes to destroy, winnings not
> > enough. He starts having his sites built and posting Theory Strategy
> > online. Has his boiler rooms built. Hires people from RGP to write
> > books and do his computer work. Pays in all probability, far more than
> > the going price, over $40,000.
>
> > More flack from attackers, so Russ offers to back anyone willing to
> > play $100 for three $33 sit & goes on Party Poker with the money to be
> > split. One condition. Those who took the offer must post the results,
> > win or lose. Funny thing, NO LOSERS. In the month of promos for Russ
> > G, he wins in excess of $5,000 playing $33 sit & goes for these
> > players.
>
> > Now, instead of taking his 50% as per agreement, Russ tells all the
> > players to keep the money.
>
> > End of 2003 or the beginning of 2004,www.pokermafia.comopens. Russ G
> > posts his leson prices, plus fee for joingwww.pokermafia.com
>
> > Many join, numerous heavy weight players even pay large sums to learn
> > split games. especially Stud 8 which is most players weak game in a
> > mixed game format when playing large stakes.
>
> > Opting for the $500 an hour for giving lessons, or three hours for
> > $1,000, some opted for straight payment, while others asked if I was
> > up to playing some reasonable stake games online for a 50% cut instead
> > of the $500 an hour. Knowing it was actually in my best interest to
> > take 50%, I gave them the choice. Basic low level, $30-$60.
>
> > Out of dozens who paid or took lessons, NO ONE lost, =EF=BF=BDexcept pe=
rhaps
> > Pokerchimp who came out perhaps $100 loser, which I made up through
> > other means, such as backing.
>
> > Funny, when a professional such as myself, who blew the whistle on the
> > cheats gives lessons online, it's supposedly a joke to some. However,
> > when you have a person like Fellknight or Fossilman do the same, it's
> > not? One is in the Army, while the other is a lawyer. If you wanted
> > lessons in poker, would you go to the Army or a law firm or a
> > professional poker player?
>
> > Next, I am asking in total earnest. Anyone who I have taken advantage
> > of on RGP, plus anyone who's lost money on me, please respond with
> > what I did and how much you lost dealing with me.
>
> > Now comes 2005. I decide to rub more noses into people faces by
> > backing numerous people I never met into WSOP events. I invest at
> > least $50,000 backing people, not cashing for a cent. Among those back
> > was gary Carson, 3 events I think. William Coleman, 3 events I think.
> > Tanya Peck, Rick Charles, Mary Igleasias and numerous others. I even
> > backed enemies like Razz0.
>
> > Meanwhile throughout the years I get a constant stream of emails for
> > help. I'm very weak on the NO department and helped many, none for
> > less than a 4 figure amount. I shall not name these people.
>
> > In 2003, I gave a person lessons. He went by Mr.Buckeye on the site.
> > He called and wanted lessons. He asked if we could play for reasonable
> > amounts instead of the $500 an hour. We started off playing $200
> > single table sit & goes. We won the first one, the guy was
> > dumbfounded. We won the second, the third, the fourth, the fifth. He
> > couldn't believe what he was seeing. Asked if we could play a $200
> > multiplayer tourney. OK, sign up, but it's boring just playing one
> > game, especially a MTT. We start playing more $200 sit & goes.
>
> > Site goes down after half the players are gone in the sit & go. We
> > wait. Site goes back on and we are credited with close to a double up
> > on the sit & go. MTT is still going and we're doing fine.
>
> > Sign up for more $200s.We play three more, winning one, coming second
> > on one and losing one. Sit & go record for the $200s that night. 9
> > played, 6 Wins, 1 2nd, one cash and one loss.
>
> > No more sit and goes as we're into the money on the MTT. It's a long
> > night, but I win the MTT tourney and about a $30,000 first place. Guy
> > can't believe it. Obviously, I have concerns since I have about
> > $20,000 coming to me. I explain how to cash out, but Mr. Buckeye
> > thinks he has a better way.
>
> > He cashes out. His account is frozen by Party. Though he has gone
> > through all the hoops on Neteller and Party, he goes through them
> > again. Two weeks go by, Party lets the money out. Cashes out into
> > Neteller. Now, Neteller freezes his account. Ten days later his
> > account is unfrozen and cleared. He now sends me my share by Neteller.
> > I have no poker accounts in my name. My account is LILY WHITE. My
> > account is frozen.
>
> > I'm on the phone with Neteller for an hour, stating I have a business
> > account with them and have an online site where I give lessons. Money
> > arrives a week later in my bank account. We decide not to post about
> > our adventure.
>
> > Meanwhile, I have never been backed. I never asked for backing. I give
> > lessons and it's odds on if I did lose I would reimburse the person. I
> > had Raider Fan play for me on his account when I had several naysayers
> > take me up on a cashing bet in a MTT. Yes, I won.
>
> > I gave Dave (Raider Fan) the win. Dave posts an email that he has his
> > last $10 or so on the site. We play $10 heads-up sit & goes. Can't
> > play higher, as thats all he has. We win every $10 heads-up sit & go
> > we play. Finally have enough to play some more, even a larger MTT. We
> > play it, take a tough beat. Just to make things "Kosher:)", I have
> > someone send Dave half the tourney buy-in, even though I had won the
> > money on the sit & goes for the tourney. I also send Dave a free book.
>
> > Ok, RGG, please tell me who I have screwed? I do things for myself,
> > not for others. Just like when I sent out FREE marked cards and
> > challenged players to find the markings. Sent cards out to about 50
> > people. Only one who found the markings was Jack Fox, a Reno Lawyer
> > and friend of Doyles. The others couldn't find anything.
>
> > We have our hypocrites like Moronphy and Wayne Vinson, whom have as
> > much poker knowledge as I have computer knowledge. To them, it's fine
> > that Fellknight, Tanya, Fossilman and others sell 100% of themselves
> > when they're not even professional players.
>
> > Professional players don't usually give much credit to other pros
> > ability. However, out of all the name pros who have responded to me,
> > not a single one has denoucned my playing ability, though they've
> > called me about everything else.
>
> > RGP is the judge and jury. Who has had any dealings with me where they
> > think I have screwed them, enticed them, tried to take advantage of
> > them? Please speak up.
>
> > All I know is the following to be true. I win for all those who want
> > lessons. I gave a lesson the other night on a game I stated had less
> > kill than games I would normally teach. It was a MTT tourney from a
> > regular on RGP. We went deep into the tourney, about three hours. I
> > believe I taught the person some fine points.It was even that large a
> > tourney. My time is worth something, just as everyone elses is. All
> > ended well and I sent the person a book.
>
> > Now for Moronphy or Wayne Vinson, can you possibly believe it's a
> > better bet to back a Fellknight, Tanya Peck or a Fossilman than me, if
> > I wanted backing? First, I don't want backing, I want it all. But, you
> > guys seems like hypocrites at best, by condoning the others, but
> > attacking the true professional.
>
> > Russ Georgiev
>
> >www.pokermafia.com
> >www.pokerunchecked.com
> >www.russgeorgiev.com
>
> Russ, I was 100% serious when I told you to go talk to your doctor about
> your cognitive problems. =EF=BF=BDThis kind of insane nonsense just reinf=
orces
> that you need to go in now, not later. =EF=BF=BDThere's no shame in admit=
ting you
> have a problem and getting treatment.
>
> Wayne Vinsonhttp://cardsharp.org/
> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com
>
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Date: 10 Feb 2009 14:47:55
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
On Feb 10 2009 4:01 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:

> Wino, you must have a doctors license somewhere. You seem to be an
> expert on everything, so a doctor wouldn't be that hard? Perhaps a
> vetenarian? No, not a vegetarian.

Russ, anyone can see you've got a serious cognitive problem. The issue is
how you're going to deal with it. For that you need a medical
professional.

Wayne Vinson
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Date: 10 Feb 2009 23:27:18
From: RAZZO RUSS SUCK THE BIG ONE
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
how about a ice tap on the head with a sledge hammer

On Feb 10 2009 5:47 PM, Wayne Vinson wrote:

> On Feb 10 2009 4:01 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Wino, you must have a doctors license somewhere. You seem to be an
> > expert on everything, so a doctor wouldn't be that hard? Perhaps a
> > vetenarian? No, not a vegetarian.
>
> Russ, anyone can see you've got a serious cognitive problem. The issue is
> how you're going to deal with it. For that you need a medical
> professional.
>
> Wayne Vinson
> http://cardsharp.org/
> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com


BEND OVER RAZZO RUSS

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Date: 10 Feb 2009 13:48:04
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Russ G screws RGP
On Feb 10 2009 3:33 PM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:

> In 2001, Russ G appeared on RGP, with his cohorts. 2001, all hell
> breaks loose on RGP, as Russ G is attacked from every conceivable
> source. Doyle, Forrest, Greenstein, Duke, Seidel, Lederer, Sklansky,
> Shulman, Dalla, Negreanu, Caro and dozens of others in the world of
> poker attack Russ Georgiev.
>
> Out of all the attackers, none stated the following, "I wasn't a great
> player or a WCP". They stated just about everything else, but no one
> denouced my playing ability. The reason was simple, I was too well
> know to the honest professionals and stating this would prove them
> liars.
>
> Later in 2001 and 2002. Mike Caro gives the Famous Cheating Tapes and
> chips to Barry Shulman and Marshall Ragir who gives them to their
> lawyers.
>
> The agreement stated these tapes would not be shown to anyone. Now,
> while these people thought Russ G was going to sell these tapes, Russ
> pulls a reverse, starts making copies of the tapes and sends out about
> 3000 copies in the next year, paying all postage, which was substanial
> as sending tapes to Europe and Australia costs in excess of $20 first
> class mail.
>
> Tape cost about $1.20, avaerage postage $6.00 as I sent first class.
> In 2003, I have DVDs made for about $1.50 each. I send them out for
> free, postage paid. Total cost for sending this free information far
> in excess of $30,000.
>
> Now, Russ G doesn't like winning. He likes to destroy, winnings not
> enough. He starts having his sites built and posting Theory Strategy
> online. Has his boiler rooms built. Hires people from RGP to write
> books and do his computer work. Pays in all probability, far more than
> the going price, over $40,000.
>
> More flack from attackers, so Russ offers to back anyone willing to
> play $100 for three $33 sit & goes on Party Poker with the money to be
> split. One condition. Those who took the offer must post the results,
> win or lose. Funny thing, NO LOSERS. In the month of promos for Russ
> G, he wins in excess of $5,000 playing $33 sit & goes for these
> players.
>
> Now, instead of taking his 50% as per agreement, Russ tells all the
> players to keep the money.
>
> End of 2003 or the beginning of 2004, www.pokermafia.com opens. Russ G
> posts his leson prices, plus fee for joing www.pokermafia.com
>
> Many join, numerous heavy weight players even pay large sums to learn
> split games. especially Stud 8 which is most players weak game in a
> mixed game format when playing large stakes.
>
> Opting for the $500 an hour for giving lessons, or three hours for
> $1,000, some opted for straight payment, while others asked if I was
> up to playing some reasonable stake games online for a 50% cut instead
> of the $500 an hour. Knowing it was actually in my best interest to
> take 50%, I gave them the choice. Basic low level, $30-$60.
>
> Out of dozens who paid or took lessons, NO ONE lost, except perhaps
> Pokerchimp who came out perhaps $100 loser, which I made up through
> other means, such as backing.
>
> Funny, when a professional such as myself, who blew the whistle on the
> cheats gives lessons online, it's supposedly a joke to some. However,
> when you have a person like Fellknight or Fossilman do the same, it's
> not? One is in the Army, while the other is a lawyer. If you wanted
> lessons in poker, would you go to the Army or a law firm or a
> professional poker player?
>
> Next, I am asking in total earnest. Anyone who I have taken advantage
> of on RGP, plus anyone who's lost money on me, please respond with
> what I did and how much you lost dealing with me.
>
> Now comes 2005. I decide to rub more noses into people faces by
> backing numerous people I never met into WSOP events. I invest at
> least $50,000 backing people, not cashing for a cent. Among those back
> was gary Carson, 3 events I think. William Coleman, 3 events I think.
> Tanya Peck, Rick Charles, Mary Igleasias and numerous others. I even
> backed enemies like Razz0.
>
> Meanwhile throughout the years I get a constant stream of emails for
> help. I'm very weak on the NO department and helped many, none for
> less than a 4 figure amount. I shall not name these people.
>
> In 2003, I gave a person lessons. He went by Mr.Buckeye on the site.
> He called and wanted lessons. He asked if we could play for reasonable
> amounts instead of the $500 an hour. We started off playing $200
> single table sit & goes. We won the first one, the guy was
> dumbfounded. We won the second, the third, the fourth, the fifth. He
> couldn't believe what he was seeing. Asked if we could play a $200
> multiplayer tourney. OK, sign up, but it's boring just playing one
> game, especially a MTT. We start playing more $200 sit & goes.
>
> Site goes down after half the players are gone in the sit & go. We
> wait. Site goes back on and we are credited with close to a double up
> on the sit & go. MTT is still going and we're doing fine.
>
> Sign up for more $200s.We play three more, winning one, coming second
> on one and losing one. Sit & go record for the $200s that night. 9
> played, 6 Wins, 1 2nd, one cash and one loss.
>
> No more sit and goes as we're into the money on the MTT. It's a long
> night, but I win the MTT tourney and about a $30,000 first place. Guy
> can't believe it. Obviously, I have concerns since I have about
> $20,000 coming to me. I explain how to cash out, but Mr. Buckeye
> thinks he has a better way.
>
> He cashes out. His account is frozen by Party. Though he has gone
> through all the hoops on Neteller and Party, he goes through them
> again. Two weeks go by, Party lets the money out. Cashes out into
> Neteller. Now, Neteller freezes his account. Ten days later his
> account is unfrozen and cleared. He now sends me my share by Neteller.
> I have no poker accounts in my name. My account is LILY WHITE. My
> account is frozen.
>
> I'm on the phone with Neteller for an hour, stating I have a business
> account with them and have an online site where I give lessons. Money
> arrives a week later in my bank account. We decide not to post about
> our adventure.
>
> Meanwhile, I have never been backed. I never asked for backing. I give
> lessons and it's odds on if I did lose I would reimburse the person. I
> had Raider Fan play for me on his account when I had several naysayers
> take me up on a cashing bet in a MTT. Yes, I won.
>
> I gave Dave (Raider Fan) the win. Dave posts an email that he has his
> last $10 or so on the site. We play $10 heads-up sit & goes. Can't
> play higher, as thats all he has. We win every $10 heads-up sit & go
> we play. Finally have enough to play some more, even a larger MTT. We
> play it, take a tough beat. Just to make things "Kosher:)", I have
> someone send Dave half the tourney buy-in, even though I had won the
> money on the sit & goes for the tourney. I also send Dave a free book.
>
> Ok, RGG, please tell me who I have screwed? I do things for myself,
> not for others. Just like when I sent out FREE marked cards and
> challenged players to find the markings. Sent cards out to about 50
> people. Only one who found the markings was Jack Fox, a Reno Lawyer
> and friend of Doyles. The others couldn't find anything.
>
> We have our hypocrites like Moronphy and Wayne Vinson, whom have as
> much poker knowledge as I have computer knowledge. To them, it's fine
> that Fellknight, Tanya, Fossilman and others sell 100% of themselves
> when they're not even professional players.
>
> Professional players don't usually give much credit to other pros
> ability. However, out of all the name pros who have responded to me,
> not a single one has denoucned my playing ability, though they've
> called me about everything else.
>
> RGP is the judge and jury. Who has had any dealings with me where they
> think I have screwed them, enticed them, tried to take advantage of
> them? Please speak up.
>
> All I know is the following to be true. I win for all those who want
> lessons. I gave a lesson the other night on a game I stated had less
> kill than games I would normally teach. It was a MTT tourney from a
> regular on RGP. We went deep into the tourney, about three hours. I
> believe I taught the person some fine points.It was even that large a
> tourney. My time is worth something, just as everyone elses is. All
> ended well and I sent the person a book.
>
> Now for Moronphy or Wayne Vinson, can you possibly believe it's a
> better bet to back a Fellknight, Tanya Peck or a Fossilman than me, if
> I wanted backing? First, I don't want backing, I want it all. But, you
> guys seems like hypocrites at best, by condoning the others, but
> attacking the true professional.
>
> Russ Georgiev
>
> www.pokermafia.com
> www.pokerunchecked.com
> www.russgeorgiev.com

Russ, I was 100% serious when I told you to go talk to your doctor about
your cognitive problems. This kind of insane nonsense just reinforces
that you need to go in now, not later. There's no shame in admitting you
have a problem and getting treatment.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

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