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Date: 06 Feb 2009 07:40:09
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?
This Blago guy does make some good theater. The tapes that I heard do
suggest some impropriety and it's likely he is a criminal because the
FBI has filed criminal charges against him. The tapes do show that he
chooses his words carefully and definitely walks the fine line. This
is the first time I have seen a politician that has been criminally
charged go on a media tour. This is bizarre. Is Blago going to jail?

Letterman takes on Blagojevich pt. 1 of 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJfJhTTgRHs




 
Date: 07 Feb 2009 08:45:02
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?
On Feb 7, 11:02=A0am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:

>=A0Whether or not Blago goes to prison depends on how much dirt he has tha=
t can incriminate or embarass Obama and key Democrats. =A0

A jury has to declare Blago guilty of corruption if he's going to
jail. His connection to Obama and those around him must be
insignificant. If Blago's misdeeds went further up the line don't you
think it would have already been breaking news? He may have already
have worked out a deal (paid off) in exchange for his cooperation.



  
Date: 07 Feb 2009 12:45:36
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?

"Senator Millionaire" <moone99@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:64359f4e-dcf8-4d1b-b57f-43f59bbc6bbe@v42g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 7, 11:02 am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:

> Whether or not Blago goes to prison depends on how much dirt he has that
> can incriminate or embarass Obama and key Democrats.

A jury has to declare Blago guilty of corruption if he's going to
jail. His connection to Obama and those around him must be
insignificant. If Blago's misdeeds went further up the line don't you
think it would have already been breaking news? He may have already
have worked out a deal (paid off) in exchange for his cooperation.

Blago is a crooked Democrat politican of the first magnitude, with about as
much loyalty as a pet rattlesnake. He never gave a shit about the people of
Illinois and I believe he'd do any thing, or any one, to save his own ass.
However, Obama controls the white house, senate, congress and he is a
product of the corrupt Democrat political machine that controls Chicago. In
addition, the mainstream press is totally in the tank for him. Nothing is
going to happen, or be reported, in Blago's case that Obama doesn't approve.
The only possible exception would be if Fox News got the story.

Irish Mike




 
Date: 07 Feb 2009 07:06:44
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?
On Feb 6, 7:25=A0pm, OrangeSFO <intangible...@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
> Or perhaps there's more vigorous investigation and prosecution of
> political corruption in Illinois.

That's what makes this story so appealing. I don't think the White
House can step in and interfere with this investigation. Can they?

Back in 1996, the Mayor of Newark, NJ was going to be criminally
charged by the FBI. President Clinton, who was running for reelection,
told the FBI to back off and leave the Mayor alone. Just last year,
the Mayor was convicted by a jury and sentenced from four to seven
years in jail.

Illinois Is Trying. It Really Is. But the Most Corrupt State Is
Actually . . .

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/14/weekinreview/14marsh.html

The link above provides three metrics for measuring government
corruption.



  
Date: 07 Feb 2009 11:02:03
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?

"Senator Millionaire" <moone99@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:ceb8a7cc-d711-4ed1-815d-0340ac92e853@t13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 6, 7:25 pm, OrangeSFO <intangible...@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
> Or perhaps there's more vigorous investigation and prosecution of
> political corruption in Illinois.

That's what makes this story so appealing. I don't think the White
House can step in and interfere with this investigation. Can they?

Back in 1996, the Mayor of Newark, NJ was going to be criminally
charged by the FBI. President Clinton, who was running for reelection,
told the FBI to back off and leave the Mayor alone. Just last year,
the Mayor was convicted by a jury and sentenced from four to seven
years in jail.

Illinois Is Trying. It Really Is. But the Most Corrupt State Is
Actually . . .

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/14/weekinreview/14marsh.html

The link above provides three metrics for measuring government
corruption.


Chicago is, and has been, run by a corrupt Democrat political machine and
this machine created and trained Obama. Whether or not Blago goes to prison
depends on how much dirt he has that can incriminate or embarass Obama and
key Democrats. This is not change and it sure as hell isn't any thing new.
Just crooked Chicago politics as usual.

Irish Mike




   
Date: 07 Feb 2009 18:50:04
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?
On Feb 7 2009 11:02 AM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "Senator Millionaire" <moone99@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ceb8a7cc-d711-4ed1-815d-0340ac92e853@t13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 6, 7:25 pm, OrangeSFO <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Or perhaps there's more vigorous investigation and prosecution of
> > political corruption in Illinois.
>
> That's what makes this story so appealing. I don't think the White
> House can step in and interfere with this investigation. Can they?
>
> Back in 1996, the Mayor of Newark, NJ was going to be criminally
> charged by the FBI. President Clinton, who was running for reelection,
> told the FBI to back off and leave the Mayor alone. Just last year,
> the Mayor was convicted by a jury and sentenced from four to seven
> years in jail.
>
> Illinois Is Trying. It Really Is. But the Most Corrupt State Is
> Actually . . .
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/14/weekinreview/14marsh.html
>
> The link above provides three metrics for measuring government
> corruption.
>
>
> Chicago is, and has been, run by a corrupt Democrat political machine and
> this machine created and trained Obama. Whether or not Blago goes to prison
> depends on how much dirt he has that can incriminate or embarass Obama and
> key Democrats. This is not change and it sure as hell isn't any thing new.
> Just crooked Chicago politics as usual.
>

You don't have a clue how the Cbicago machine works and why it's
successful.

They don't create winners, they open their arms and bring winners into the
fold. They didn't create Obama. They accepted him.

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Date: 06 Feb 2009 12:46:00
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?
On Feb 6, 8:31=A0am, Senator Millionaire <moon...@gmail.com > wrote:
>



> Chicago ranks right up there as one of the most corrupt regions in the
> U.S.



Really? You have a list of regional rankings on the corruption
scale?



  
Date: 06 Feb 2009 14:54:22
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?

"OrangeSFO" <intangible103@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:3b0b1de3-9f9d-4a55-af60-3e3669fe7c37@40g2000prx.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 6, 8:31 am, Senator Millionaire <moon...@gmail.com > wrote:
>



>> Chicago ranks right up there as one of the most corrupt regions in the
>> U.S.



>Really? You have a list of regional rankings on the corruption
>scale?


The most straightforward way to measure corruption is to check the number of
convicted local officials. Between 1995 and 2004, 469 politicians from the
federal district of Northern Illinois were found guilty of corruption. The
only districts with higher tallies were central California (which includes
L.A.), and southern Florida (which includes Miami). Eastern Louisiana (and
New Orleans) rank somewhat further down the list.




   
Date: 06 Feb 2009 15:22:37
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?
On Feb 6 2009 3:54 PM, Susan wrote:

> "OrangeSFO" <intangible103@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3b0b1de3-9f9d-4a55-af60-3e3669fe7c37@40g2000prx.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 6, 8:31 am, Senator Millionaire <moon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
>
>
>
> >> Chicago ranks right up there as one of the most corrupt regions in the
> >> U.S.
>
>
>
> >Really? You have a list of regional rankings on the corruption
> >scale?
>
>
> The most straightforward way to measure corruption is to check the number of
> convicted local officials. Between 1995 and 2004, 469 politicians from the
> federal district of Northern Illinois were found guilty of corruption. The
> only districts with higher tallies were central California (which includes
> L.A.), and southern Florida (which includes Miami). Eastern Louisiana (and
> New Orleans) rank somewhat further down the list.

Chicago has more local politicians than other districts, it also has more
from a different party than the US attorney in the district.

Something like the number of Republicans convicted by a republican
prosecutor divided by the number of local republican office holders might
make a more meaningful metric.

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Date: 06 Feb 2009 17:21:43
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?

"garycarson" <garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu > wrote in message
news:tatu56xko.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 6 2009 3:54 PM, Susan wrote:
>
>> "OrangeSFO" <intangible103@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:3b0b1de3-9f9d-4a55-af60-3e3669fe7c37@40g2000prx.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 6, 8:31 am, Senator Millionaire <moon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> >> Chicago ranks right up there as one of the most corrupt regions in the
>> >> U.S.
>>
>>
>>
>> >Really? You have a list of regional rankings on the corruption
>> >scale?
>>
>>
>> The most straightforward way to measure corruption is to check the number
>> of
>> convicted local officials. Between 1995 and 2004, 469 politicians from
>> the
>> federal district of Northern Illinois were found guilty of corruption.
>> The
>> only districts with higher tallies were central California (which
>> includes
>> L.A.), and southern Florida (which includes Miami). Eastern Louisiana
>> (and
>> New Orleans) rank somewhat further down the list.
>
> Chicago has more local politicians than other districts, it also has more
> from a different party than the US attorney in the district.
>
> Something like the number of Republicans convicted by a republican
> prosecutor divided by the number of local republican office holders might
> make a more meaningful metric.

so go for it.




 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 16:25:23
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?
On Feb 6, 2:46=A0pm, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net > wrote:


> Unless you find something different, yes.



Or perhaps there's more vigorous investigation and prosecution of
political corruption in Illinois.

Think outside the box Susan.

Or is a crime not a crime until the perpetrator's caught?





 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 10:17:23
From: eldo77
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?
On Feb 6 2009 10:40 AM, Senator Millionaire wrote:

> This Blago guy does make some good theater. The tapes that I heard do
> suggest some impropriety and it's likely he is a criminal because the
> FBI has filed criminal charges against him. The tapes do show that he
> chooses his words carefully and definitely walks the fine line. This
> is the first time I have seen a politician that has been criminally
> charged go on a media tour. This is bizarre. Is Blago going to jail?

Very doubtful.The U.S. Attorney jumped the gun for some strange reason.
Why didn't he wait and ACTUALLY CATCH the guy selling a Senate seat? He
could have kept the wiretaps going and caught the seller AND the buyer.
Looks like he stepped in and publicized this before Blog actually
committed a crime.I don't think Blog can be convicted on the skimpy
"evidence" on the wiretaps.At least he couldn't if I was on the jury.


eldo77

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Date: 06 Feb 2009 15:19:30
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?
On Feb 6 2009 10:17 AM, eldo77 wrote:

> On Feb 6 2009 10:40 AM, Senator Millionaire wrote:
>
> > This Blago guy does make some good theater. The tapes that I heard do
> > suggest some impropriety and it's likely he is a criminal because the
> > FBI has filed criminal charges against him. The tapes do show that he
> > chooses his words carefully and definitely walks the fine line. This
> > is the first time I have seen a politician that has been criminally
> > charged go on a media tour. This is bizarre. Is Blago going to jail?
>
> Very doubtful.The U.S. Attorney jumped the gun for some strange reason.
> Why didn't he wait and ACTUALLY CATCH the guy selling a Senate seat? He
> could have kept the wiretaps going and caught the seller AND the buyer.
> Looks like he stepped in and publicized this before Blog actually
> committed a crime.I don't think Blog can be convicted on the skimpy
> "evidence" on the wiretaps.At least he couldn't if I was on the jury.
>
>
> eldo77

Ya, what the hell! They go to all that trouble and prematurely ejaculate?
What is this the 7th grade?

I would want the buyer as much as the seller here. American politics at
its finest. It is nice to see what goes on behind the scenes though. Just
like regular business too.

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Date: 06 Feb 2009 11:03:36
From: bgadams
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?
On Feb 6 2009 2:17 PM, eldo77 wrote:

> On Feb 6 2009 10:40 AM, Senator Millionaire wrote:
>
> > This Blago guy does make some good theater. The tapes that I heard do
> > suggest some impropriety and it's likely he is a criminal because the
> > FBI has filed criminal charges against him. The tapes do show that he
> > chooses his words carefully and definitely walks the fine line. This
> > is the first time I have seen a politician that has been criminally
> > charged go on a media tour. This is bizarre. Is Blago going to jail?
>
> Very doubtful.The U.S. Attorney jumped the gun for some strange reason.
> Why didn't he wait and ACTUALLY CATCH the guy selling a Senate seat? He
> could have kept the wiretaps going and caught the seller AND the buyer.
> Looks like he stepped in and publicized this before Blog actually
> committed a crime.I don't think Blog can be convicted on the skimpy
> "evidence" on the wiretaps.At least he couldn't if I was on the jury.
>
>
> eldo77

Patrick Fitzgerald has a long and very successful career convicting
crooked politicians, including Scooter Libby, George Ryan (former Ill.
Gov.), members of Chicago Mayor Daley's staff, etc. His public reason for
announcing the wiretaps was to prevent Blago from doing significant damage
to the state/people of Illinois. I'm not enough of a legal expert to know
how much he may have damaged his case, but I strongly suspect Blago will
join Ryan.

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Date: 06 Feb 2009 14:34:49
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?
On Feb 6, 1:54=A0pm, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net > wrote:
> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:654a81cb-2f42-4ec4-aa96-2cca7ac62c45@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Susan you are the Cut n Paste Queen of Google
>
> I know - because instead of asking ridiculous questions like you just did=
I
> looked it up.


And you found your answer and it's the final word.












  
Date: 06 Feb 2009 16:46:45
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?

"OrangeSFO" <intangible103@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:64185475-f907-4fe6-8fa9-77fe1be40fcd@r41g2000prr.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 6, 1:54 pm, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net > wrote:
> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:654a81cb-2f42-4ec4-aa96-2cca7ac62c45@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>> > Susan you are the Cut n Paste Queen of Google
>
>> I know - because instead of asking ridiculous questions like you just did
>> I
>> looked it up.


>And you found your answer and it's the final word.

Unless you find something different, yes.

Susan Ashcraft













 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 13:33:14
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?



Susan you are the Cut n Paste Queen of Google



  
Date: 06 Feb 2009 15:54:28
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?

"OrangeSFO" <intangible103@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:654a81cb-2f42-4ec4-aa96-2cca7ac62c45@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> Susan you are the Cut n Paste Queen of Google
>

I know - because instead of asking ridiculous questions like you just did I
looked it up.

I am just trying to help you out orangie. I know you are so busy that you
expect others to do it for you.

Susan Ashcraft




   
Date: 06 Feb 2009 15:03:58
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?
On Feb 6 2009 4:54 PM, Susan wrote:

> "OrangeSFO" <intangible103@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:654a81cb-2f42-4ec4-aa96-2cca7ac62c45@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > Susan you are the Cut n Paste Queen of Google
> >
>
> I know - because instead of asking ridiculous questions like you just did I
> looked it up.
>
> I am just trying to help you out orangie. I know you are so busy that you
> expect others to do it for you.
>
> Susan Ashcraft
Susan you are the Queen of Google

Atheism is drawing dead
Susan you are the Cut n Paste Queen of Google

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Date: 06 Feb 2009 15:43:15
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?

"Senator Millionaire" <moone99@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:c2eaf99f-9ddd-49d9-822f-438217e90256@z27g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> This Blago guy does make some good theater. The tapes that I heard do
> suggest some impropriety and it's likely he is a criminal because the
> FBI has filed criminal charges against him. The tapes do show that he
> chooses his words carefully and definitely walks the fine line. This
> is the first time I have seen a politician that has been criminally
> charged go on a media tour. This is bizarre. Is Blago going to jail?

Not if he's got any dirt that can splash The Messiah or his underlings.

Irish Mike




 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 07:57:20
From: Scott/sjakma
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?
On Feb 6 2009 10:40 AM, Senator Millionaire wrote:

> This Blago guy does make some good theater. The tapes that I heard do
> suggest some impropriety and it's likely he is a criminal because the
> FBI has filed criminal charges against him. The tapes do show that he
> chooses his words carefully and definitely walks the fine line. This
> is the first time I have seen a politician that has been criminally
> charged go on a media tour. This is bizarre. Is Blago going to jail?
>
> Letterman takes on Blagojevich pt. 1 of 4
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJfJhTTgRHs

The tapes are just a minor inconvenience compared to the much larger
investigation going on here in Illinois. He will be doing prison time and
probably for a much longer time than the previous governor.

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Date: 06 Feb 2009 09:01:28
From: bgadams
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?
On Feb 6 2009 11:40 AM, Senator Millionaire wrote:

> This Blago guy does make some good theater. The tapes that I heard do
> suggest some impropriety and it's likely he is a criminal because the
> FBI has filed criminal charges against him. The tapes do show that he
> chooses his words carefully and definitely walks the fine line. This
> is the first time I have seen a politician that has been criminally
> charged go on a media tour. This is bizarre. Is Blago going to jail?
>
> Letterman takes on Blagojevich pt. 1 of 4
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJfJhTTgRHs

You can bet on it!

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Date: 06 Feb 2009 08:31:22
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Rod Blagojevich on Letterman. Is He Going To Jail?
On Feb 6, 10:57=A0am, "Scott/sjakma" <sc...@scottadams.com > wrote:
>
> > Letterman takes on Blagojevich pt. 1 of 4
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHJfJhTTgRHs
>
> =A0The tapes are just a minor inconvenience compared to the much larger
> investigation going on here in Illinois. =A0He will be doing prison time =
and
> probably for a much longer time than the previous governor.

Chicago ranks right up there as one of the most corrupt regions in the
U.S. What tape recordings is your judgment based on? Do you have any
links to tapes? I would like to hear more. Thanks.