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Date: 07 Dec 2008 00:06:30
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Real Poker------Russ G
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Real Poker by Russ G written in 2002
People's ignorance in the world of poker astonishes me. Thirty plus
years ago if
you were a professional gambler, you were looked as a pariah in
society, the
same level as a prostitute. All one has to do is watch some of the
old
movies and you would see this.
All of a sudden, someone decides that professional gamblers are not
pariahs
any more. Now they are deemed decent human beings. Have you ever
wondered
how this came to be. In the early 70's and before, the only places in
the
United States that allowed poker were California, Nevada, Oregon and
Washington. But, 1000's of private games thrived throughout the
country.
All of a sudden money became the issue. Why not make more casinos and
poker
parlors legal and TAX them. More revenue for the government and the
people
that have the casinos. Great idea, but we have to clean up the image
of the
professional gambler. After all, he has been on the same scale as a
prostitute since time began. So the campaign began and card casinos
and
legalized gambling started putting the private games out of business.
Legitimate gambling was moving in and TAX dollars were to be used.
Back in these days, the most common games of poker played were draw
poker
and five card stud. Seven card stud was also played as well as
lowball. All
these games had high skill levels and professionals cleaned up and
made
plenty of money. Suckers had no chance.
In the late 60's, Gardena was the capitol of poker. California
controlled
poker games. Laws stated only draw games could be played as they were
games
of skill as others were games of chance. This in itself was wrong, but
we
will get to that later on. Meanwhile, Vegas was floundering, at least
at
poker. California had the monopoly on poker for 50 years. Vegas was
going
to change it with the help of legalized gambling, though Vegas didn't
know
this at this time.
Private poker games were every where in the country. Most home games
were
dealers choice, which the professionals had the biggest advantage.
Soon,
this would change.
The purest and most skillful poker game ever played is also the
simplest. NO
LIMIT FIVE CARD STUD is the game of the best players. No sucking out
as the
money goes in on the river and there are no cards left. You can't draw
out
as it is over. Do you call or fold. The best players always won. This
was
not a very good thing for any one but the best players. Things had to
be
changed in order for more people to get involved and more people to
share in
the proceeds.
Now the West Coast was already was more advanced than the rest of the
world
in the economics of poker. No limit and pot limit were not games that
helped
the casinos or the card rooms. Too many professional made too much
money.
Things had to change. Gardena and Northern California had already
implemented limit games of high draw and low draw. Both these games
satisfied the professionals and the casinos. Both co-existed.
Vegas, was a different story. Back in these days, Vegas had a very bad
name
in poker, as it should have. Cheating was done by the employees of
the
casino as opposed to the employees in California being paid off by
the
cheats. Numerous small card rooms were in many casinos, and all were
there
to fleece the public.
Now comes the NEW AGE. All of a sudden, a brainstorm hits the Vegas
Poker
World. Lets start some new games, which are not as boring or
methodical to
the suckers that lose. Here came Texas Holdem. Introduced about 35
years
ago, it offered a different game. One that took away boredom and let
the
cheats, professionals and casinos all get a share of the pie. The
game
looked simple enough and the slogan "any two will do" was popularized.
It
was the truth.
Soon another idea came to the genius's of marketing. Let's start a
World
Series of Poker, so we can cheat the suckers when they come to play.
We will
make the game NO LIMIT TEXAS HOLDEM and state this is the game of
Champions.
All the publicity and propaganda by the media accomplished the goal.
From a
small beginning where everything was coordinated to get the most
publicity,
have come the biggest poker events in the world. However, it is now
being
discovered that a lie has been perpetrated from the beginning. NO
LIMIT
TEXAS HOLDEM is far from the best way to play poker. In fact, it is a
crap
shoot to anyone that knows anything at all about poker.
The purest game of poker is also the simplest game. NO LIMIT FIVE CARD
STUD,
no stripped deck, is by far the most skillful game of poker to ever
be
played. Too skillful as the best players always get the money. Unless
you
call having 8 outs with one card to go, having a chance. For this is
about
the best you could ever have in this game. providing this guy was a
kamikaze.
This game was definitely out. Too much skill and too boring. Bring on
Texas
holdem. This is also the reason that Omaha was named Omaha, as Texas
was
already used in Holdem. Now the media blitz came with No Limit Texas
Holdem
as being the ultimate game. What a bunch of BS. Just propaganda to
fool the
suckers. As is being proved as of late. No one ever thought that this
World
Series of Poker would ever reach the status it has achieved.
To be frank with you, all games should be played a certain way. Games
are
designed to be played a certain way. However, casinos don't see things
the
way poker players do. They would like parity so that they could make
as much
money as possible. Ideal situation for them is to have games with as
much
luck as possible to have the money in circulation as long as possible
for
them to extract as much as possible.
Holdem, played NO LIMIT STYLE is far from the best way to play this
game.
Any moron can put all his money into a pot with the worse hand,
knowing a
hand that is superior to his would have to call. Now, here we come to
pot
limit holdem. Here, the game separates the boys from the men. You
can't just
put all your money in with a slight bit the worst of it and get a call
for
all. This game involves thinking far beyond most players ability.
Having close to an even money shot on the flop is easy. In No Limit,
the
amateur professionals know only one move, put all the chips in. Very
simple,
for simple players. Have you ever thought about getting your money
covered
when you were not gambling? The best players in the world are able to
get
called when they have the stone cold NUTS. This is an expertise not
achieved
by many, let alone the propaganda promoted tournament players.
It is very easy to play NO LIMIT HOLDEM compared to pot limit.
However, pot
limit holdem players annihilate NO LIMIT holdem players. These are
what are
known as CASH PLAYERS. No limit players know only one thing, bet the
money
when you have the best of it or near the best of it, or when you have
a draw
for the 'nuts'. Easy to play Aces in NO LIMIT, when you can stick all
the
money in on the flop, knowing you have the best of it. Even Dave
Keiser or
a Monkey can do it.
Try doing this with a big stack in POT LIMIT. Raising when playing
tight
only tells the opposition you are holding a big pair. They will
acclimate to
this situation. Now comes the flop, they know you have a big pair, you
know
they have two cards. You can't put all your money in and have told
them what
you have. Who do you think is going to get the money? The best pot
limit
players play many hands. They have big stacks. They know how to play
them.
NO LIMIT players only know to BET ALL. Is it a wonder why tournament
players
are broke
Poker isn't about the cards you are dealt, it is about how you play
your
cards. I could teach a chimpanzee to play only aces [we will put Dave
Keiser
in the place of the chimpanzee] and see how he does. It is easy to
play a
small stack with Aces in NO LIMIT, simply bet all. How about POT
LIMIT?
How about playing a big stack with Aces? How many people can play a
big
stack of chips and play aces right in pot limit? You can't put all the
chips
in right away. If you raise, and have not been playing many hands, you
will
have given away your hand. Believe it or not, the correct way to play
aces
in pot limit with a big stack is to play them the same way you play
any
other hand, hoping that someone makes a mistake and you can put them
all in
or put the majority of their money all in. Any thing else is a give
away.
The old scam of NO LIMIT TEXAS HOLDEM as being the ultimate game is
just a
myth perpetrated on the public, that is so naive that people believe
anything in print. The best and true way to play Texas Holdem is in a
POT
LIMIT style. The secret of playing pot limit, or poker in general, is
to be
able to get called when you know you have the best hand, and have them
fold
when you are bluffing. This is the skill of the game. To the people
that
believe in tells, this is for the amateurs. True professionals have
NO
TELLS, they just don't play as well as the others and can't compete on
a one
to one basis. Knowing how to bet and reading the betting patterns is
the
key. These are NOT TELLS.
Next we go to NO LIMIT LOWBALL. People say this is a pure game of NO
LIMIT
and should be played as the ultimate game. Actually, there is very
little
difference between 2-7 than there is in A-5 lowball. Just the fact
that less
people are aware of the differences. This is a main criteria for
people to
claim this is the game to play. Actually, there is little difference,
so I
challenge any person who cares to debate the difference with me. I am
including HOWARD LEDERER, BILLY BAXTER, and the whole WORLD in this
debate.
The difference between 2-7 and A-5 NO LIMIT is miniscule. All that is
needed
is a little knowledge, as the play is basically the same. If you
notice, I
play NO FAVORITES, I am willing to debate any issue in a gentlemanly
manner
with people that claim superiority to me in the field of poker
expertise. I
wonder who will win. Yes, I do have an "ego", but only in poker. This
happens when you annihilate all opposition for the span of your life
time. I
really don't care if RGP believes me, as my peers know different.
Obviously,
any one anonymous would not be a peer, as well as any one named on the
tape
[they would be a peer, but would side against me to protect their
position].
Poker has been orchestrated by the casinos for years. Games that the
professionals win the most at are not beneficial to casinos. They have
to be
eliminated.
When Omaha was introduced in 1982 in the Golden Nugget, the game was
played
pot limit high low split and limit high. The bad thing about this
format was
the best players kept winning the money. Polarity was changed to
achieve
parody. Parity is best for the house as the money goes round and round
and
the drop boxes get the lions share.
Russ Georgiev
www.pokermafia.com
www.pokerunchecked.com
www.russgeorgiev.com
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Date: 07 Dec 2008 19:33:53
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Real Poker------Russ G
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My first wife was the best looking stripper in California. WE made so
much money in those days we couldn't spend it fast enough. Bought the
famous bed that was featured in LIFE magazine called Pleasure Island,
the same one Hugh Hefner has. Had a TV set built in and was round,
plus it rotated and has a cushioned ledge. Probably bigger than a king
and cost more than a Cadillac at the time.
On Dec 7, 2:45=EF=BF=BDam, "Arlo-Payne" <arlo_pa...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Hell Russ you know as well as I do poker players in the 60s and early 70s
> lived with hookers all the time. =EF=BF=BDIn fact at one time Roy and I w=
ere
> living with 3. =EF=BF=BDOne which was Angel Blue (very well known) who wo=
rked for
> the Sahara.
>
> On Dec 7 2008 1:06 AM, RussGeorg...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Real Poker =EF=BF=BD by =EF=BF=BD Russ G =EF=BF=BD written in 2002
>
> > People's ignorance in the world of poker astonishes me. Thirty plus
> > years ago if
> > you were a professional gambler, you were looked as a pariah in
> > society, the
> > same level as a prostitute. All one has to do is watch some of the
> > old
> > movies and you would see this.
>
> > All of a sudden, someone decides that professional gamblers are not
> > pariahs
> > any more. Now they are deemed decent human beings. Have you ever
> > wondered
> > how this came to be. In the early 70's and before, the only places in
> > the
> > United States that allowed poker were California, Nevada, Oregon and
> > Washington. But, 1000's of private games thrived throughout the
> > country.
>
> > All of a sudden money became the issue. Why not make more casinos and
> > poker
> > parlors legal and TAX them. More revenue for the government and the
> > people
> > that have the casinos. Great idea, but we have to clean up the image
> > of the
> > professional gambler. After all, he has been on the same scale as a
> > prostitute since time began. So the campaign began and card casinos
> > and
> > legalized gambling started putting the private games out of business.
> > Legitimate gambling was moving in and TAX dollars were to be used.
>
> > Back in these days, the most common games of poker played were draw
> > poker
> > and five card stud. Seven card stud was also played as well as
> > lowball. All
> > these games had high skill levels and professionals cleaned up and
> > made
> > plenty of money. Suckers had no chance.
>
> > In the late 60's, Gardena was the capitol of poker. California
> > controlled
> > poker games. Laws stated only draw games could be played as they were
> > games
> > of skill as others were games of chance. This in itself was wrong, but
> > we
> > will get to that later on. Meanwhile, Vegas was floundering, at least
> > at
> > poker. =EF=BF=BDCalifornia had the monopoly on poker for 50 years. Vega=
s was
> > going
> > to change it with the help of legalized gambling, though Vegas didn't
> > know
> > this at this time.
>
> > Private poker games were every where in the country. Most home games
> > were
> > dealers choice, which the professionals had the biggest advantage.
> > Soon,
> > this would change.
>
> > The purest and most skillful poker game ever played is also the
> > simplest. NO
> > LIMIT FIVE CARD STUD is the game of the best players. No sucking out
> > as the
> > money goes in on the river and there are no cards left. You can't draw
> > out
> > as it is over. Do you call or fold. The best players always won. This
> > was
> > not a very good thing for any one but the best players. Things had to
> > be
> > changed in order for more people to get involved and more people to
> > share in
> > the proceeds.
>
> > Now the West Coast was already was more advanced than the rest of the
> > world
> > in the economics of poker. No limit and pot limit were not games that
> > helped
> > the casinos or the card rooms. Too many professional made too much
> > money.
> > Things had to change. Gardena and Northern California had already
> > implemented limit games of high draw and low draw. Both these games
> > satisfied the professionals and the casinos. Both co-existed.
>
> > Vegas, was a different story. Back in these days, Vegas had a very bad
> > name
> > in poker, as it should have. Cheating was done by the employees of
> > the
> > casino as opposed to the employees in California being paid off by
> > the
> > cheats. Numerous small card rooms were in many casinos, and all were
> > there
> > to fleece the public.
>
> > Now comes the NEW AGE. All of a sudden, a brainstorm hits the Vegas
> > Poker
> > World. Lets start some new games, which are not as boring or
> > methodical to
> > the suckers that lose. Here came Texas Holdem. Introduced about 35
> > years
> > ago, it offered a different game. One that took away boredom and let
> > the
> > cheats, professionals and casinos all get a share of the pie. The
> > game
> > looked simple enough and the slogan "any two will do" was popularized.
> > It
> > was the truth.
>
> > Soon another idea came to the genius's of marketing. Let's start a
> > World
> > Series of Poker, so we can cheat the suckers when they come to play.
> > We will
> > make the game NO LIMIT TEXAS HOLDEM and state this is the game of
> > Champions.
>
> > All the publicity and propaganda by the media accomplished the goal.
> > From a
> > small beginning where everything was coordinated to get the most
> > publicity,
> > have come the biggest poker events in the world. However, it is now
> > being
> > discovered that a lie has been perpetrated from the beginning. NO
> > LIMIT
> > TEXAS HOLDEM is far from the best way to play poker. In fact, it is a
> > crap
> > shoot to anyone that knows anything at all about poker.
>
> > The purest game of poker is also the simplest game. NO LIMIT FIVE CARD
> > STUD,
> > no stripped deck, is by far the most skillful game of poker to ever
> > be
> > played. Too skillful as the best players always get the money. Unless
> > you
> > call having 8 outs with one card to go, having a chance. For this is
> > about
> > the best you could ever have in this game. providing this guy was a
> > kamikaze.
>
> > This game was definitely out. Too much skill and too boring. Bring on
> > Texas
> > holdem. This is also the reason that Omaha was named Omaha, as Texas
> > was
> > already used in Holdem. Now the media blitz came with No Limit Texas
> > Holdem
> > as being the ultimate game. What a bunch of BS. Just propaganda to
> > fool the
> > suckers. As is being proved as of late. No one ever thought that this
> > World
> > Series of Poker would ever reach the status it has achieved.
>
> > To be frank with you, all games should be played a certain way. Games
> > are
> > designed to be played a certain way. However, casinos don't see things
> > the
> > way poker players do. They would like parity so that they could make
> > as much
> > money as possible. Ideal situation for them is to have games with as
> > much
> > luck as possible to have the money in circulation as long as possible
> > for
> > them to extract as much as possible.
>
> > Holdem, played NO LIMIT STYLE is far from the best way to play this
> > game.
> > Any moron can put all his money into a pot with the worse hand,
> > knowing a
> > hand that is superior to his would have to call. Now, here we come to
> > pot
> > limit holdem. Here, the game separates the boys from the men. You
> > can't just
> > put all your money in with a slight bit the worst of it and get a call
> > for
> > all. This game involves thinking far beyond most players ability.
>
> > Having close to an even money shot on the flop is easy. In No Limit,
> > the
> > amateur professionals know only one move, put all the chips in. Very
> > simple,
> > for simple players. Have you ever thought about getting your money
> > covered
> > when you were not gambling? The best players in the world are able to
> > get
> > called when they have the stone cold NUTS. This is an expertise not
> > achieved
> > by many, let alone the propaganda promoted tournament players.
>
> > It is very easy to play NO LIMIT HOLDEM compared to pot limit.
> > However, pot
> > limit holdem players annihilate NO LIMIT holdem players. These are
> > what are
> > known as CASH PLAYERS. No limit players know only one thing, bet the
> > money
> > when you have the best of it or near the best of it, or when you have
> > a draw
> > for the 'nuts'. Easy to play Aces in NO LIMIT, when you can stick all
> > the
> > money in on the flop, knowing you have the best of it. =EF=BF=BDEven Da=
ve
> > Keiser or
> > a Monkey can do it.
>
> > Try doing this with a big stack in POT LIMIT. Raising when playing
> > tight
> > only tells the opposition you are holding a big pair. They will
> > acclimate to
> > this situation. Now comes the flop, they know you have a big pair, you
> > know
> > they have two cards. You can't put all your money in and have told
> > them what
> > you have. Who do you think is going to get the money? The best pot
> > limit
> > players play many hands. They have big stacks. They know how to play
> > them.
> > NO LIMIT players only know to BET ALL. Is it a wonder why tournament
> > players
> > are broke
>
> > Poker isn't about the cards you are dealt, it is about how you play
> > your
> > cards. I could teach a chimpanzee to play only aces [we will put Dave
> > Keiser
> > in the place of the chimpanzee] and see how he does. It is easy to
> > play a
> > small stack with Aces in NO LIMIT, simply bet all. How about POT
> > LIMIT?
>
> > How about playing a big stack with Aces? How many people can play a
> > big
> > stack of chips and play aces right in pot limit? You can't put all the
> > chips
> > in right away. If you raise, and have not been playing many hands, you
> > will
> > have given away your hand. Believe it or not, the correct way to play
> > aces
> > in pot limit with a big stack is to play them the same way you play
> > any
> > other hand, hoping that someone makes a mistake and you can put them
> > all in
> > or put the majority of their money all in. Any thing else is a give
> > away.
>
> > The old scam of =EF=BF=BDNO LIMIT TEXAS HOLDEM as being the ultimate ga=
me is
> > just a
> > myth perpetrated on the public, that is so naive that people believe
> > anything in print. The best and true way to play Texas Holdem is in a
> > POT
> > LIMIT style. The secret of playing pot limit, or poker in general, is
> > to be
> > able to get called when you know you have the best hand, and have them
> > fold
> > when you are bluffing. This is the skill of the game. To the people
> > that
> > believe in tells, this is for the amateurs. True professionals have
> > NO
> > TELLS, they just don't play as well as the others and can't compete on
> > a one
> > to one basis. Knowing how to bet and reading the betting patterns is
> > the
> > key. These are NOT TELLS.
>
> > Next we go to NO LIMIT LOWBALL. People say this is a pure game of NO
> > LIMIT
> > and should be played
>
> ...
>
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>
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Date: 07 Dec 2008 02:45:07
From: Arlo-Payne
Subject: Re: Real Poker------Russ G
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Hell Russ you know as well as I do poker players in the 60s and early 70s
lived with hookers all the time. In fact at one time Roy and I were
living with 3. One which was Angel Blue (very well known) who worked for
the Sahara.
On Dec 7 2008 1:06 AM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:
> Real Poker by Russ G written in 2002
>
> People's ignorance in the world of poker astonishes me. Thirty plus
> years ago if
> you were a professional gambler, you were looked as a pariah in
> society, the
> same level as a prostitute. All one has to do is watch some of the
> old
> movies and you would see this.
>
>
> All of a sudden, someone decides that professional gamblers are not
> pariahs
> any more. Now they are deemed decent human beings. Have you ever
> wondered
> how this came to be. In the early 70's and before, the only places in
> the
> United States that allowed poker were California, Nevada, Oregon and
> Washington. But, 1000's of private games thrived throughout the
> country.
>
>
> All of a sudden money became the issue. Why not make more casinos and
> poker
> parlors legal and TAX them. More revenue for the government and the
> people
> that have the casinos. Great idea, but we have to clean up the image
> of the
> professional gambler. After all, he has been on the same scale as a
> prostitute since time began. So the campaign began and card casinos
> and
> legalized gambling started putting the private games out of business.
> Legitimate gambling was moving in and TAX dollars were to be used.
>
>
> Back in these days, the most common games of poker played were draw
> poker
> and five card stud. Seven card stud was also played as well as
> lowball. All
> these games had high skill levels and professionals cleaned up and
> made
> plenty of money. Suckers had no chance.
>
>
> In the late 60's, Gardena was the capitol of poker. California
> controlled
> poker games. Laws stated only draw games could be played as they were
> games
> of skill as others were games of chance. This in itself was wrong, but
> we
> will get to that later on. Meanwhile, Vegas was floundering, at least
> at
> poker. California had the monopoly on poker for 50 years. Vegas was
> going
> to change it with the help of legalized gambling, though Vegas didn't
> know
> this at this time.
>
>
> Private poker games were every where in the country. Most home games
> were
> dealers choice, which the professionals had the biggest advantage.
> Soon,
> this would change.
>
>
> The purest and most skillful poker game ever played is also the
> simplest. NO
> LIMIT FIVE CARD STUD is the game of the best players. No sucking out
> as the
> money goes in on the river and there are no cards left. You can't draw
> out
> as it is over. Do you call or fold. The best players always won. This
> was
> not a very good thing for any one but the best players. Things had to
> be
> changed in order for more people to get involved and more people to
> share in
> the proceeds.
>
>
> Now the West Coast was already was more advanced than the rest of the
> world
> in the economics of poker. No limit and pot limit were not games that
> helped
> the casinos or the card rooms. Too many professional made too much
> money.
> Things had to change. Gardena and Northern California had already
> implemented limit games of high draw and low draw. Both these games
> satisfied the professionals and the casinos. Both co-existed.
>
>
> Vegas, was a different story. Back in these days, Vegas had a very bad
> name
> in poker, as it should have. Cheating was done by the employees of
> the
> casino as opposed to the employees in California being paid off by
> the
> cheats. Numerous small card rooms were in many casinos, and all were
> there
> to fleece the public.
>
>
> Now comes the NEW AGE. All of a sudden, a brainstorm hits the Vegas
> Poker
> World. Lets start some new games, which are not as boring or
> methodical to
> the suckers that lose. Here came Texas Holdem. Introduced about 35
> years
> ago, it offered a different game. One that took away boredom and let
> the
> cheats, professionals and casinos all get a share of the pie. The
> game
> looked simple enough and the slogan "any two will do" was popularized.
> It
> was the truth.
>
>
> Soon another idea came to the genius's of marketing. Let's start a
> World
> Series of Poker, so we can cheat the suckers when they come to play.
> We will
> make the game NO LIMIT TEXAS HOLDEM and state this is the game of
> Champions.
>
>
> All the publicity and propaganda by the media accomplished the goal.
> From a
> small beginning where everything was coordinated to get the most
> publicity,
> have come the biggest poker events in the world. However, it is now
> being
> discovered that a lie has been perpetrated from the beginning. NO
> LIMIT
> TEXAS HOLDEM is far from the best way to play poker. In fact, it is a
> crap
> shoot to anyone that knows anything at all about poker.
>
>
> The purest game of poker is also the simplest game. NO LIMIT FIVE CARD
> STUD,
> no stripped deck, is by far the most skillful game of poker to ever
> be
> played. Too skillful as the best players always get the money. Unless
> you
> call having 8 outs with one card to go, having a chance. For this is
> about
> the best you could ever have in this game. providing this guy was a
> kamikaze.
>
>
> This game was definitely out. Too much skill and too boring. Bring on
> Texas
> holdem. This is also the reason that Omaha was named Omaha, as Texas
> was
> already used in Holdem. Now the media blitz came with No Limit Texas
> Holdem
> as being the ultimate game. What a bunch of BS. Just propaganda to
> fool the
> suckers. As is being proved as of late. No one ever thought that this
> World
> Series of Poker would ever reach the status it has achieved.
>
>
> To be frank with you, all games should be played a certain way. Games
> are
> designed to be played a certain way. However, casinos don't see things
> the
> way poker players do. They would like parity so that they could make
> as much
> money as possible. Ideal situation for them is to have games with as
> much
> luck as possible to have the money in circulation as long as possible
> for
> them to extract as much as possible.
>
>
> Holdem, played NO LIMIT STYLE is far from the best way to play this
> game.
> Any moron can put all his money into a pot with the worse hand,
> knowing a
> hand that is superior to his would have to call. Now, here we come to
> pot
> limit holdem. Here, the game separates the boys from the men. You
> can't just
> put all your money in with a slight bit the worst of it and get a call
> for
> all. This game involves thinking far beyond most players ability.
>
>
> Having close to an even money shot on the flop is easy. In No Limit,
> the
> amateur professionals know only one move, put all the chips in. Very
> simple,
> for simple players. Have you ever thought about getting your money
> covered
> when you were not gambling? The best players in the world are able to
> get
> called when they have the stone cold NUTS. This is an expertise not
> achieved
> by many, let alone the propaganda promoted tournament players.
>
>
> It is very easy to play NO LIMIT HOLDEM compared to pot limit.
> However, pot
> limit holdem players annihilate NO LIMIT holdem players. These are
> what are
> known as CASH PLAYERS. No limit players know only one thing, bet the
> money
> when you have the best of it or near the best of it, or when you have
> a draw
> for the 'nuts'. Easy to play Aces in NO LIMIT, when you can stick all
> the
> money in on the flop, knowing you have the best of it. Even Dave
> Keiser or
> a Monkey can do it.
>
>
> Try doing this with a big stack in POT LIMIT. Raising when playing
> tight
> only tells the opposition you are holding a big pair. They will
> acclimate to
> this situation. Now comes the flop, they know you have a big pair, you
> know
> they have two cards. You can't put all your money in and have told
> them what
> you have. Who do you think is going to get the money? The best pot
> limit
> players play many hands. They have big stacks. They know how to play
> them.
> NO LIMIT players only know to BET ALL. Is it a wonder why tournament
> players
> are broke
>
>
> Poker isn't about the cards you are dealt, it is about how you play
> your
> cards. I could teach a chimpanzee to play only aces [we will put Dave
> Keiser
> in the place of the chimpanzee] and see how he does. It is easy to
> play a
> small stack with Aces in NO LIMIT, simply bet all. How about POT
> LIMIT?
>
>
> How about playing a big stack with Aces? How many people can play a
> big
> stack of chips and play aces right in pot limit? You can't put all the
> chips
> in right away. If you raise, and have not been playing many hands, you
> will
> have given away your hand. Believe it or not, the correct way to play
> aces
> in pot limit with a big stack is to play them the same way you play
> any
> other hand, hoping that someone makes a mistake and you can put them
> all in
> or put the majority of their money all in. Any thing else is a give
> away.
>
>
> The old scam of NO LIMIT TEXAS HOLDEM as being the ultimate game is
> just a
> myth perpetrated on the public, that is so naive that people believe
> anything in print. The best and true way to play Texas Holdem is in a
> POT
> LIMIT style. The secret of playing pot limit, or poker in general, is
> to be
> able to get called when you know you have the best hand, and have them
> fold
> when you are bluffing. This is the skill of the game. To the people
> that
> believe in tells, this is for the amateurs. True professionals have
> NO
> TELLS, they just don't play as well as the others and can't compete on
> a one
> to one basis. Knowing how to bet and reading the betting patterns is
> the
> key. These are NOT TELLS.
>
>
> Next we go to NO LIMIT LOWBALL. People say this is a pure game of NO
> LIMIT
> and should be played as the ultimate game. Actually, there is very
> little
> difference between 2-7 than there is in A-5 lowball. Just the fact
> that less
> people are aware of the differences. This is a main criteria for
> people to
> claim this is the game to play. Actually, there is little difference,
> so I
> challenge any person who cares to debate the difference with me. I am
> including HOWARD LEDERER, BILLY BAXTER, and the whole WORLD in this
> debate.
> The difference between 2-7 and A-5 NO LIMIT is miniscule. All that is
> needed
> is a little knowledge, as the play is basically the same. If you
> notice, I
> play NO FAVORITES, I am willing to debate any issue in a gentlemanly
> manner
> with people that claim superiority to me in the field of poker
> expertise. I
> wonder who will win. Yes, I do have an "ego", but only in poker. This
> happens when you annihilate all opposition for the span of your life
> time. I
> really don't care if RGP believes me, as my peers know different.
> Obviously,
> any one anonymous would not be a peer, as well as any one named on the
> tape
> [they would be a peer, but would side against me to protect their
> position].
>
>
> Poker has been orchestrated by the casinos for years. Games that the
> professionals win the most at are not beneficial to casinos. They have
> to be
> eliminated.
>
>
> When Omaha was introduced in 1982 in the Golden Nugget, the game was
> played
> pot limit high low split and limit high. The bad thing about this
> format was
> the best players kept winning the money. Polarity was changed to
> achieve
> parody. Parity is best for the house as the money goes round and round
> and
> the drop boxes get the lions share.
>
> Russ Georgiev
>
> www.pokermafia.com
> www.pokerunchecked.com
> www.russgeorgiev.com
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Date: 07 Dec 2008 07:16:30
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Real Poker------Russ G
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On Dec 7 2008 4:45 AM, Arlo-Payne wrote:
> Hell Russ you know as well as I do poker players in the 60s and early 70s
> lived with hookers all the time. In fact at one time Roy and I were
> living with 3. One which was Angel Blue (very well known) who worked for
> the Sahara.
she was also known as "Rumble Seat Rita " !! Arlo married her !!
>
>
>
> On Dec 7 2008 1:06 AM, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Real Poker by Russ G written in 2002
> >
> > People's ignorance in the world of poker astonishes me. Thirty plus
> > years ago if
> > you were a professional gambler, you were looked as a pariah in
> > society, the
> > same level as a prostitute. All one has to do is watch some of the
> > old
> > movies and you would see this.
> >
> >
> > All of a sudden, someone decides that professional gamblers are not
> > pariahs
> > any more. Now they are deemed decent human beings. Have you ever
> > wondered
> > how this came to be. In the early 70's and before, the only places in
> > the
> > United States that allowed poker were California, Nevada, Oregon and
> > Washington. But, 1000's of private games thrived throughout the
> > country.
> >
> >
> > All of a sudden money became the issue. Why not make more casinos and
> > poker
> > parlors legal and TAX them. More revenue for the government and the
> > people
> > that have the casinos. Great idea, but we have to clean up the image
> > of the
> > professional gambler. After all, he has been on the same scale as a
> > prostitute since time began. So the campaign began and card casinos
> > and
> > legalized gambling started putting the private games out of business.
> > Legitimate gambling was moving in and TAX dollars were to be used.
> >
> >
> > Back in these days, the most common games of poker played were draw
> > poker
> > and five card stud. Seven card stud was also played as well as
> > lowball. All
> > these games had high skill levels and professionals cleaned up and
> > made
> > plenty of money. Suckers had no chance.
> >
> >
> > In the late 60's, Gardena was the capitol of poker. California
> > controlled
> > poker games. Laws stated only draw games could be played as they were
> > games
> > of skill as others were games of chance. This in itself was wrong, but
> > we
> > will get to that later on. Meanwhile, Vegas was floundering, at least
> > at
> > poker. California had the monopoly on poker for 50 years. Vegas was
> > going
> > to change it with the help of legalized gambling, though Vegas didn't
> > know
> > this at this time.
> >
> >
> > Private poker games were every where in the country. Most home games
> > were
> > dealers choice, which the professionals had the biggest advantage.
> > Soon,
> > this would change.
> >
> >
> > The purest and most skillful poker game ever played is also the
> > simplest. NO
> > LIMIT FIVE CARD STUD is the game of the best players. No sucking out
> > as the
> > money goes in on the river and there are no cards left. You can't draw
> > out
> > as it is over. Do you call or fold. The best players always won. This
> > was
> > not a very good thing for any one but the best players. Things had to
> > be
> > changed in order for more people to get involved and more people to
> > share in
> > the proceeds.
> >
> >
> > Now the West Coast was already was more advanced than the rest of the
> > world
> > in the economics of poker. No limit and pot limit were not games that
> > helped
> > the casinos or the card rooms. Too many professional made too much
> > money.
> > Things had to change. Gardena and Northern California had already
> > implemented limit games of high draw and low draw. Both these games
> > satisfied the professionals and the casinos. Both co-existed.
> >
> >
> > Vegas, was a different story. Back in these days, Vegas had a very bad
> > name
> > in poker, as it should have. Cheating was done by the employees of
> > the
> > casino as opposed to the employees in California being paid off by
> > the
> > cheats. Numerous small card rooms were in many casinos, and all were
> > there
> > to fleece the public.
> >
> >
> > Now comes the NEW AGE. All of a sudden, a brainstorm hits the Vegas
> > Poker
> > World. Lets start some new games, which are not as boring or
> > methodical to
> > the suckers that lose. Here came Texas Holdem. Introduced about 35
> > years
> > ago, it offered a different game. One that took away boredom and let
> > the
> > cheats, professionals and casinos all get a share of the pie. The
> > game
> > looked simple enough and the slogan "any two will do" was popularized.
> > It
> > was the truth.
> >
> >
> > Soon another idea came to the genius's of marketing. Let's start a
> > World
> > Series of Poker, so we can cheat the suckers when they come to play.
> > We will
> > make the game NO LIMIT TEXAS HOLDEM and state this is the game of
> > Champions.
> >
> >
> > All the publicity and propaganda by the media accomplished the goal.
> > From a
> > small beginning where everything was coordinated to get the most
> > publicity,
> > have come the biggest poker events in the world. However, it is now
> > being
> > discovered that a lie has been perpetrated from the beginning. NO
> > LIMIT
> > TEXAS HOLDEM is far from the best way to play poker. In fact, it is a
> > crap
> > shoot to anyone that knows anything at all about poker.
> >
> >
> > The purest game of poker is also the simplest game. NO LIMIT FIVE CARD
> > STUD,
> > no stripped deck, is by far the most skillful game of poker to ever
> > be
> > played. Too skillful as the best players always get the money. Unless
> > you
> > call having 8 outs with one card to go, having a chance. For this is
> > about
> > the best you could ever have in this game. providing this guy was a
> > kamikaze.
> >
> >
> > This game was definitely out. Too much skill and too boring. Bring on
> > Texas
> > holdem. This is also the reason that Omaha was named Omaha, as Texas
> > was
> > already used in Holdem. Now the media blitz came with No Limit Texas
> > Holdem
> > as being the ultimate game. What a bunch of BS. Just propaganda to
> > fool the
> > suckers. As is being proved as of late. No one ever thought that this
> > World
> > Series of Poker would ever reach the status it has achieved.
> >
> >
> > To be frank with you, all games should be played a certain way. Games
> > are
> > designed to be played a certain way. However, casinos don't see things
> > the
> > way poker players do. They would like parity so that they could make
> > as much
> > money as possible. Ideal situation for them is to have games with as
> > much
> > luck as possible to have the money in circulation as long as possible
> > for
> > them to extract as much as possible.
> >
> >
> > Holdem, played NO LIMIT STYLE is far from the best way to play this
> > game.
> > Any moron can put all his money into a pot with the worse hand,
> > knowing a
> > hand that is superior to his would have to call. Now, here we come to
> > pot
> > limit holdem. Here, the game separates the boys from the men. You
> > can't just
> > put all your money in with a slight bit the worst of it and get a call
> > for
> > all. This game involves thinking far beyond most players ability.
> >
> >
> > Having close to an even money shot on the flop is easy. In No Limit,
> > the
> > amateur professionals know only one move, put all the chips in. Very
> > simple,
> > for simple players. Have you ever thought about getting your money
> > covered
> > when you were not gambling? The best players in the world are able to
> > get
> > called when they have the stone cold NUTS. This is an expertise not
> > achieved
> > by many, let alone the propaganda promoted tournament players.
> >
> >
> > It is very easy to play NO LIMIT HOLDEM compared to pot limit.
> > However, pot
> > limit holdem players annihilate NO LIMIT holdem players. These are
> > what are
> > known as CASH PLAYERS. No limit players know only one thing, bet the
> > money
> > when you have the best of it or near the best of it, or when you have
> > a draw
> > for the 'nuts'. Easy to play Aces in NO LIMIT, when you can stick all
> > the
> > money in on the flop, knowing you have the best of it. Even Dave
> > Keiser or
> > a Monkey can do it.
> >
> >
> > Try doing this with a big stack in POT LIMIT. Raising when playing
> > tight
> > only tells the opposition you are holding a big pair. They will
> > acclimate to
> > this situation. Now comes the flop, they know you have a big pair, you
> > know
> > they have two cards. You can't put all your money in and have told
> > them what
> > you have. Who do you think is going to get the money? The best pot
> > limit
> > players play many hands. They have big stacks. They know how to play
> > them.
> > NO LIMIT players only know to BET ALL. Is it a wonder why tournament
> > players
> > are broke
> >
> >
> > Poker isn't about the cards you are dealt, it is about how you play
> > your
> > cards. I could teach a chimpanzee to play only aces [we will put Dave
> > Keiser
> > in the place of the chimpanzee] and see how he does. It is easy to
> > play a
> > small stack with Aces in NO LIMIT, simply bet all. How about POT
> > LIMIT?
> >
> >
> > How about playing a big stack with Aces? How many people can play a
> > big
> > stack of chips and play aces right in pot limit? You can't put all the
> > chips
> > in right away. If you raise, and have not been playing many hands, you
> > will
> > have given away your hand. Believe it or not, the correct way to play
> > aces
> > in pot limit with a big stack is to play them the same way you play
> > any
> > other hand, hoping that someone makes a mistake and you can put them
> > all in
> > or put the majority of their money all in. Any thing else is a give
> > away.
> >
> >
> > The old scam of NO LIMIT TEXAS HOLDEM as being the ultimate game is
> > just a
> > myth perpetrated on the public, that is so naive that people believe
> > anything in print. The best and true way to play Texas Holdem is in a
> > POT
> > LIMIT style. The secret of playing pot limit, or poker in general, is
> > to be
> > able to get called when you know you have the best hand, and have them
> > fold
> > when you are bluffing. This is the skill of the game. To the people
> > that
> > believe in tells, this is for the amateurs. True professionals have
> > NO
> > TELLS, they just don't play as well as the others and can't compete on
> > a one
> > to one basis. Knowing how to bet and reading the betting patterns is
> > the
> > key. These are NOT TELLS.
> >
> >
> > Next we go to NO LIMIT LOWBALL. People say this is a pure game of NO
> > LIMIT
> > and should be played as the ultimate game. Actually, there is very
> > little
> > difference between 2-7 than there is in A-5 lowball. Just the fact
> > that less
> > people are aware of the differences. This is a main criteria for
> > people to
> > claim this is the game to play. Actually, there is little difference,
> > so I
> > challenge any person who cares to debate the difference with me. I am
> > including HOWARD LEDERER, BILLY BAXTER, and the whole WORLD in this
> > debate.
> > The difference between 2-7 and A-5 NO LIMIT is miniscule. All that is
> > needed
> > is a little knowledge, as the play is basically the same. If you
> > notice, I
> > play NO FAVORITES, I am willing to debate any issue in a gentlemanly
> > manner
> > with people that claim superiority to me in the field of poker
> > expertise. I
> > wonder who will win. Yes, I do have an "ego", but only in poker. This
> > happens when you annihilate all opposition for the span of your life
> > time. I
> > really don't care if RGP believes me, as my peers know different.
> > Obviously,
> > any one anonymous would not be a peer, as well as any one named on the
> > tape
> > [they would be a peer, but would side against me to protect their
> > position].
> >
> >
> > Poker has been orchestrated by the casinos for years. Games that the
> > professionals win the most at are not beneficial to casinos. They have
> > to be
> > eliminated.
> >
> >
> > When Omaha was introduced in 1982 in the Golden Nugget, the game was
> > played
> > pot limit high low split and limit high. The bad thing about this
> > format was
> > the best players kept winning the money. Polarity was changed to
> > achieve
> > parody. Parity is best for the house as the money goes round and round
> > and
> > the drop boxes get the lions share.
> >
> > Russ Georgiev
> >
> > www.pokermafia.com
> > www.pokerunchecked.com
> > www.russgeorgiev.com
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Date: 07 Dec 2008 00:41:50
From: Bill T
Subject: Re: Real Poker------Russ G
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On 12/7/2008 00:06, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote
<<<<snip >>>>>
A few years ago, I bought into a game at the Bellagio with Doyle, Jen,
and some Chinese guy. I casually asked, "So, Doyle, you are the Man
running the Game, huh?" No answer. In fact, they all ignored me for
the rest of the hour I was there. They just all fold whenever I bet.
Easy money.
But, I am semi-retired these days and would like to make some extra cash
cheating poker games. I have perused your posts and appreciate their
historical value. However, can you give us step-by-step instructions on
how to cheat present-day poker games? Tell us how you would walk into a
Pechanga 10-20 LHE game on a Friday night and cheat.
Thank you.
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Date: 07 Dec 2008 06:31:39
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Real Poker------Russ G
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On Dec 7 2008 2:41 AM, Bill T wrote:
> On 12/7/2008 00:06, RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote
>
> <<<<snip>>>>>
>
>
> A few years ago, I bought into a game at the Bellagio with Doyle, Jen,
> and some Chinese guy. I casually asked, "So, Doyle, you are the Man
> running the Game, huh?" No answer. In fact, they all ignored me for
> the rest of the hour I was there. They just all fold whenever I bet.
> Easy money.
I CALL BULLSHIT ..NO YOU DIDNT !!
>
> But, I am semi-retired these days and would like to make some extra cash
> cheating poker games. I have perused your posts and appreciate their
> historical value. However, can you give us step-by-step instructions on
> how to cheat present-day poker games? Tell us how you would walk into a
> Pechanga 10-20 LHE game on a Friday night and cheat.
>
> Thank you.
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