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Date: 28 Dec 2008 09:41:39
From: Ian Stuart
Subject: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
Last game of the series. I'm entertaining so won't be playing. Let me know
if you're in so I can look up the scores. No change to league table since
last week - Jerry did well but not well enough to better his score.

Usual game - 13:00 EST $5 $15k GTD No. 127692714.

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Date: 30 Dec 2008 13:44:20
From: Ian Stuart
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
Well, it's finally over. I've enjoyed the competition and would like to
thank all those who took the time to turn up and play. Never thought that
I would end up winning my own first prize and I feel a little embarrassed
about that, but what can you do? Second prize goes to Meesy - well done
Sir.

I'd like to try and get something similar going for next year but I think
the format needs a bit of a rework. 12 full months is just a little bit
too long with hindsight and I would imagine a slightly later start time
might be more popular. We'll see!

Anyway, here's the final scores:

RGP Name Played Best 5 Total
Ian Stuart 41 488.09
Meesy 38 485.63
Qdog223 39 485.38
Raider Fan 28 482.29
mccard 29 469.64
Jerry Sturdivant 37 468.35
Cantonese 20 464.53
Bigjimmf1 23 458.16
Flushed 21 444.59
Auburn Sam 11 432.60
trangers15 10 359.21
Phlash74 6 343.11
Scott/sjakma 5 317.01
FellKnight 7 315.68
philmcmk 5 312.38
John_Brian_K 3 218.15
James L Hankins 3 214.97
Pepe Papon 3 191.19
BronzeDodger 3 167.51
Bassin_Guy 2 164.78
Bob T. 2 147.35
Steam 2 134.82
MrBookworm 2 128.81
Mark B 3 92.57
MZB 1 90.92
FaceDownAcesUp 1 88.83
xyious 1 82.41
Pokerchimp 1 80.54
CHarrison100 2 79.41
Hanks 1 74.67
foldem 2 71.78
Fred V 2 71.33
estebanAA 1 48.64
MJ88 2 46.86
omaholic 1 35.69
jj_wlkr 1 34.04
mcway 1 3.58

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 11:46:42
From: bigjimmf1
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
Ian Stuart wrote:
> Well, it's finally over.

Thanks again for setting this up.


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Date: 31 Dec 2008 05:44:15
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 30 2008 3:44 PM, Ian Stuart wrote:

>
> I'd like to try and get something similar going for next year but I think
> the format needs a bit of a rework. 12 full months is just a little bit
> too long

Exactly. Thanks for running this Ian! You should have stopped at the
start of football season. Once again, the Raiders got screwed! LOL

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 19:35:13
From: Qdog223
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 31 2008 8:44 AM, Raider Fan wrote:

> On Dec 30 2008 3:44 PM, Ian Stuart wrote:
>
> >
> > I'd like to try and get something similar going for next year but I think
> > the format needs a bit of a rework. 12 full months is just a little bit
> > too long
>
> Exactly. Thanks for running this Ian! You should have stopped at the
> start of football season. Once again, the Raiders got screwed! LOL

Raiders, your view never changed. Take a big whiff.

Qdog223

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Date: 30 Dec 2008 13:55:55
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 30 2008 4:44 PM, Ian Stuart wrote:

> Well, it's finally over. I've enjoyed the competition and would like to
> thank all those who took the time to turn up and play. Never thought that
> I would end up winning my own first prize and I feel a little embarrassed
> about that, but what can you do? Second prize goes to Meesy - well done
> Sir.
>
> I'd like to try and get something similar going for next year but I think
> the format needs a bit of a rework. 12 full months is just a little bit
> too long with hindsight and I would imagine a slightly later start time
> might be more popular. We'll see!
>
> Anyway, here's the final scores:

Thanks Ian.

Incidentally, I think that the formula could be tweaked as well. Maybe do
it on a logarithmic scale rather than linear. That way you are better
rewarded for finishing deep (as I believe Spazzo won the year-long deepest
finish prize)

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Date: 30 Dec 2008 14:51:11
From: Ian Stuart
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 30 2008 10:55 PM, FellKnight wrote:
>
> Incidentally, I think that the formula could be tweaked as well. Maybe do
> it on a logarithmic scale rather than linear.

Something like:

Points = 10 * [sqrt(n)/sqrt(k)] * [1+log(b+0.25)]

Where:

n is the number of entrants
k is the place of finish (k=1 for the first-place finisher, and so on)
b is the buy-in amount in dollars (excluding administrative fee).

maybe?

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Date: 30 Dec 2008 22:04:36
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 30 2008 4:51 PM, Ian Stuart wrote:

> Something like:
>
> Points = 10 * [sqrt(n)/sqrt(k)] * [1+log(b+0.25)]
>
> Where:
>
> n is the number of entrants
> k is the place of finish (k=1 for the first-place finisher, and so on)
> b is the buy-in amount in dollars (excluding administrative fee).
>
> maybe?

That's close, but I'd go with something more like this:

P(AA)' = 287 - f(93)^5 or
P(84)'' = 9839 + (765d/1387t) ^(1/3)

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 05:45:42
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 31 2008 12:04 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

>
> That's close, but I'd go with something more like this:
>
> P(AA)' = 287 - f(93)^5 or
> P(84)'' = 9839 + (765d/1387t) ^(1/3)

What a moron! You forgot pi.

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Date: 30 Dec 2008 20:32:01
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 30 2008 5:51 PM, Ian Stuart wrote:

> On Dec 30 2008 10:55 PM, FellKnight wrote:
> >
> > Incidentally, I think that the formula could be tweaked as well. Maybe do
> > it on a logarithmic scale rather than linear.
>
> Something like:
>
> Points = 10 * [sqrt(n)/sqrt(k)] * [1+log(b+0.25)]
>
> Where:
>
> n is the number of entrants
> k is the place of finish (k=1 for the first-place finisher, and so on)
> b is the buy-in amount in dollars (excluding administrative fee).
>
> maybe?

I guess. I didn't really run any numbers in there but I'd also assume
that it would be the same tourney so you can skip the second part of the
equation.

But yea, something that rewards a top 10 finish much much more than a top
100 finish (as it should be).

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 04:34:40
From: Ian Stuart
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 31 2008 5:32 AM, FellKnight wrote:

> On Dec 30 2008 5:51 PM, Ian Stuart wrote:
>
> > On Dec 30 2008 10:55 PM, FellKnight wrote:
> > >
> > > Incidentally, I think that the formula could be tweaked as well. Maybe
do
> > > it on a logarithmic scale rather than linear.
> >
> > Something like:
> >
> > Points = 10 * [sqrt(n)/sqrt(k)] * [1+log(b+0.25)]
> >
> > Where:
> >
> > n is the number of entrants
> > k is the place of finish (k=1 for the first-place finisher, and so on)
> > b is the buy-in amount in dollars (excluding administrative fee).
> >
> > maybe?
>
> I guess. I didn't really run any numbers in there but I'd also assume
> that it would be the same tourney so you can skip the second part of the
> equation.
>
> But yea, something that rewards a top 10 finish much much more than a top
> 100 finish (as it should be).
>


I thought you'd recognize the formula - it's lifted straight from Stars'
site and is the one they use for calculating TLB points.

TBH, I'm not sure how to award points in such a way that deep finishes are
suitably rewarded without risking a player with one good finish running
away with an unassailable lead.

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 11:40:29
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 31 2008 7:34 AM, Ian Stuart wrote:

> On Dec 31 2008 5:32 AM, FellKnight wrote:
>
> > On Dec 30 2008 5:51 PM, Ian Stuart wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 30 2008 10:55 PM, FellKnight wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Incidentally, I think that the formula could be tweaked as well. Maybe
> do
> > > > it on a logarithmic scale rather than linear.
> > >
> > > Something like:
> > >
> > > Points = 10 * [sqrt(n)/sqrt(k)] * [1+log(b+0.25)]
> > >
> > > Where:
> > >
> > > n is the number of entrants
> > > k is the place of finish (k=1 for the first-place finisher, and so on)
> > > b is the buy-in amount in dollars (excluding administrative fee).
> > >
> > > maybe?
> >
> > I guess. I didn't really run any numbers in there but I'd also assume
> > that it would be the same tourney so you can skip the second part of the
> > equation.
> >
> > But yea, something that rewards a top 10 finish much much more than a top
> > 100 finish (as it should be).
> >
>
>
> I thought you'd recognize the formula - it's lifted straight from Stars'
> site and is the one they use for calculating TLB points.

I didn,t because the TLB formula only gives points when you cash. Your
formula always gives points.

> TBH, I'm not sure how to award points in such a way that deep finishes are
> suitably rewarded without risking a player with one good finish running
> away with an unassailable lead.

I don't think it would do that at all. If you look at JBK's finish of
14th (I think), out of 4000, he'd get, in my imaginary system, maybe 1.4
times the number of points for that tournament than the next highest
finish (Meesy? 35th?). In your system, JBK got what, maybe 99.5 points
compared to 99?

It does not have to be a system that would totally reward in a top heavy
manner (1st is 100 times more points than 100th), but should be some sort
of logarithmic scale.

The one I just came up with out of my ass is Points = log(# entrants /
place of finish) x100 Seems to work decently.

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 11:51:00
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 31 2008 1:40 PM, FellKnight wrote:

> I didn,t because the TLB formula only gives points when you cash. Your
> formula always gives points.

Yeah but if you did that with people like mccard playing he would never
get a chance to get any points!

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 14:38:53
From: mccard
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December

"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:42vs26x8p3.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 31 2008 1:40 PM, FellKnight wrote:
>
>> I didn,t because the TLB formula only gives points when you cash. Your
>> formula always gives points.
>
> Yeah but if you did that with people like mccard playing he would never
> get a chance to get any points!
>
>
Did you boys get the basement cleaned up yet?



         
Date: 31 Dec 2008 12:56:52
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 31 2008 2:38 PM, mccard wrote:

> Did you boys get the basement cleaned up yet?

Not yet, instead I spent the last few nights playing 22 SNGs at a time and
only playing KJs. I went 0-22.

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 13:24:16
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 31 2008 2:56 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Dec 31 2008 2:38 PM, mccard wrote:
>
> > Did you boys get the basement cleaned up yet?
>
> Not yet, instead I spent the last few nights playing 22 SNGs at a time and
> only playing KJs. I went 0-22.

Not taking sides, but LMFAO!

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 15:29:55
From: mccard
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December

"Raider Fan" <raidersgotscrewed1@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:0h4t26x4p4.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 31 2008 2:56 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
>> On Dec 31 2008 2:38 PM, mccard wrote:
>>
>> > Did you boys get the basement cleaned up yet?
>>
>> Not yet, instead I spent the last few nights playing 22 SNGs at a time
>> and
>> only playing KJs. I went 0-22.
>
> Not taking sides, but LMFAO!
>
Hey some guys you can teach, others, well.....



      
Date: 31 Dec 2008 05:41:06
From: Jerry Sturdivant
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December


> TBH, I'm not sure how to award points in such a way
> that deep finishes are suitably rewarded without risking
> a player with one good finish running away with an
> unassailable lead.

Is it simply a game of odds? Looking at the results posted, it appears that,
generally, the more games you played, the better chance of doing well and
rising to the top of the list. Perhaps all games should be included, not
just top five. Or perhaps just games in which you cashed. I don't know.


Jerry 'n Vegas






 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 17:57:46
From: Steam
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 28 2008 9:41 AM, Ian Stuart wrote:

> Last game of the series. I'm entertaining so won't be playing. Let me know
> if you're in so I can look up the scores. No change to league table since
> last week - Jerry did well but not well enough to better his score.
>
> Usual game - 13:00 EST $5 $15k GTD No. 127692714.

I think this was only the second one I ever played, but thanks for your
efforts to make it run.

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Date: 28 Dec 2008 12:06:37
From: mccard
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December

"Ian Stuart" <spamsucks@tiscali.co.uk > wrote in message
news:jbqk26x2i5.ln2@recgroups.com...
> Last game of the series. I'm entertaining so won't be playing. Let me know
> if you're in so I can look up the scores. No change to league table since
> last week - Jerry did well but not well enough to better his score.
>
> Usual game - 13:00 EST $5 $15k GTD No. 127692714.
>
>
Sorry, missed the registration, but thanks again for keeping it going all
year.



  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 17:55:02
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 28 2008 12:06 PM, mccard wrote:

> Sorry, missed the registration, but thanks again for keeping it going all
> year.

Thanks for sparing us from the total retardation that is a mccard hand
history.

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Date: 28 Dec 2008 20:08:52
From: mccard
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December

"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:m8nl26x0s8.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 28 2008 12:06 PM, mccard wrote:
>
>> Sorry, missed the registration, but thanks again for keeping it going all
>> year.
>
> Thanks for sparing us from the total retardation that is a mccard hand
> history.
>
go suck your basement dry. You decided all on your own to take up an
unimportant hand I posted in passing (not requesting your review) as your
life's work. Let it go.



 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 10:09:33
From: Qdog223
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 28 2008 12:41 PM, Ian Stuart wrote:

> Last game of the series. I'm entertaining so won't be playing. Let me know
> if you're in so I can look up the scores. No change to league table since
> last week - Jerry did well but not well enough to better his score.
>
> Usual game - 13:00 EST $5 $15k GTD No. 127692714.

count me in

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Date: 28 Dec 2008 14:09:55
From: Qdog223
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
475 out of 6408

Qdog223

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Date: 28 Dec 2008 10:02:00
From: Meesy
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 28 2008 6:41 PM, Ian Stuart wrote:

> Last game of the series. I'm entertaining so won't be playing. Let me know
> if you're in so I can look up the scores. No change to league table since
> last week - Jerry did well but not well enough to better his score.
>
> Usual game - 13:00 EST $5 $15k GTD No. 127692714.


I'm in

.and, as I appear to be alone, the LL should be in the bag

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Date: 28 Dec 2008 11:13:26
From: Meesy
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
No way to take Ians crown when these people are working hard for him to
keep it :p


PokerStars Game #23338494829: Tournament #127692714, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em
No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/12/28 13:48:51 ET
Table '127692714 328' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: pidepiper24 (5685 in chips)
Seat 2: daby4 (6230 in chips)
Seat 3: mopsi85 (2505 in chips)
Seat 4: Jonas_Bjerre (5830 in chips)
Seat 5: Mandy180584 (2415 in chips)
Seat 6: StarSal (3485 in chips)
Seat 7: Meesy (2875 in chips)
Seat 8: Jiiämmä (960 in chips)
Seat 9: HateHatchi (8258 in chips)
Meesy: posts small blind 50
Jiiämmä: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Meesy [Ah Qs]
HateHatchi: folds
pidepiper24: folds
daby4: folds
mopsi85: raises 200 to 300
Jonas_Bjerre: folds
Mandy180584: folds
StarSal: calls 300
Meesy: calls 250
Jiiämmä: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc Tc Ks]
Meesy: checks
mopsi85: bets 400
StarSal: calls 400
Meesy: raises 1000 to 1400
mopsi85: calls 1000
StarSal: calls 1000
*** TURN *** [Jc Tc Ks] [5c]
Meesy said, "no doubt"
Meesy: bets 1175 and is all-in
mopsi85: calls 805 and is all-in
StarSal: calls 1175
*** RIVER *** [Jc Tc Ks 5c] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Meesy: shows [Ah Qs] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
StarSal: shows [Qc Jd] (a flush, Queen high)
StarSal collected 740 from side pot
mopsi85: shows [Jh Ad] (a pair of Jacks)
StarSal collected 7615 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8355 Main pot 7615. Side pot 740.


 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 10:00:40
From: Cantonese
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 28 2008 1:41 PM, Ian Stuart wrote:

> Last game of the series. I'm entertaining so won't be playing. Let me know
> if you're in so I can look up the scores. No change to league table since
> last week - Jerry did well but not well enough to better his score.
>
> Usual game - 13:00 EST $5 $15k GTD No. 127692714.

I'm in for the 2008 Finale. Cantonese(Richmond) No LL

Thanks for all your work running this Ian! I look forward to
participating in 2009.

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Date: 28 Dec 2008 10:08:38
From: Steam
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 28 2008 10:00 AM, Cantonese wrote:

> On Dec 28 2008 1:41 PM, Ian Stuart wrote:
>
> > Last game of the series. I'm entertaining so won't be playing. Let me know
> > if you're in so I can look up the scores. No change to league table since
> > last week - Jerry did well but not well enough to better his score.
> >
> > Usual game - 13:00 EST $5 $15k GTD No. 127692714.
>
> I'm in for the 2008 Finale. Cantonese(Richmond) No LL
>
> Thanks for all your work running this Ian! I look forward to
> participating in 2009.

Ok, I'm in, no LL.

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Date: 28 Dec 2008 09:52:06
From: Jerry Sturdivant
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December


VegasJerry 1 will give it another try.









"Ian Stuart" <spamsucks@tiscali.co.uk > wrote in message
news:jbqk26x2i5.ln2@recgroups.com...
Last game of the series. I'm entertaining so won't be playing. Let me know
if you're in so I can look up the scores. No change to league table since
last week - Jerry did well but not well enough to better his score.

Usual game - 13:00 EST $5 $15k GTD No. 127692714.

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Date: 28 Dec 2008 12:25:59
From: Jerry Sturdivant
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December




VegasJerry 1 out at 1660

AQ is killing me. Yesterday it lost to AA, today to KK.
When am I going to learn?






   
Date: 28 Dec 2008 12:44:57
From: Steam
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 28 2008 12:25 PM, Jerry Sturdivant wrote:

> VegasJerry 1 out at 1660
>
> AQ is killing me. Yesterday it lost to AA, today to KK.
> When am I going to learn?

i just doubled up with AQ

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Date: 28 Dec 2008 14:09:35
From: Steam
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 28 2008 12:44 PM, Steam wrote:

> On Dec 28 2008 12:25 PM, Jerry Sturdivant wrote:
>
> > VegasJerry 1 out at 1660
> >
> > AQ is killing me. Yesterday it lost to AA, today to KK.
> > When am I going to learn?
>
> i just doubled up with AQ

Getting very shortstacked, wish me luck.

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Date: 28 Dec 2008 14:11:44
From: Steam
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 28 2008 2:09 PM, Steam wrote:

> On Dec 28 2008 12:44 PM, Steam wrote:
>
> > On Dec 28 2008 12:25 PM, Jerry Sturdivant wrote:
> >
> > > VegasJerry 1 out at 1660
> > >
> > > AQ is killing me. Yesterday it lost to AA, today to KK.
> > > When am I going to learn?
> >
> > i just doubled up with AQ
>
> Getting very shortstacked, wish me luck.

Ding! just hipped up.

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Date: 28 Dec 2008 14:16:11
From: Steam
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 28 2008 2:11 PM, Steam wrote:

> On Dec 28 2008 2:09 PM, Steam wrote:
>
> > On Dec 28 2008 12:44 PM, Steam wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 28 2008 12:25 PM, Jerry Sturdivant wrote:
> > >
> > > > VegasJerry 1 out at 1660
> > > >
> > > > AQ is killing me. Yesterday it lost to AA, today to KK.
> > > > When am I going to learn?
> > >
> > > i just doubled up with AQ
> >
> > Getting very shortstacked, wish me luck.
>
> Ding! just hipped up.


Ding Ding! Set of jacks, now I'm flush again.

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Date: 28 Dec 2008 15:19:33
From: Steam
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
Finally cracked the top 100 (SuperSteamer)

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Date: 28 Dec 2008 16:16:37
From: Steam
Subject: Re: RGPLeague2008 - who's in today? 28th December
On Dec 28 2008 3:19 PM, Steam wrote:

> Finally cracked the top 100 (SuperSteamer)

Out, 58th place.

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