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Date: 19 Jan 2009 00:02:56
From: Clave
Subject: Question for the Old Farts
Why stand up when you're all in? Everyone on the TV machine does it.

Where does this monkey-do behavior come from?

Jim






 
Date: 21 Jan 2009 09:19:28
From: Stephen Jacobs
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
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> Why stand up when you're all in? Everyone on the TV machine does it.
>
> Where does this monkey-do behavior come from?
>
> Jim
>
>

I'm mostly with Patti: it isn't necessarily so much a practical start to
leaving the table as a macho demonstration that you've committed everything
and are ready to live with the result. There's also a small practical
reason: you get a better view of the cards falling. There's yet another
reason, which may have a lot to do with why you see it on TV: in an event
where roving cameramen go looking for dramatic moments, doing something
easily visible when you go all-in can bring the coverage over to you.




 
Date: 20 Jan 2009 19:47:05
From: TeddysDad
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
On Jan 19, 12:02=A0am, "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com >
wrote:
> Why stand up when you're all in? =A0Everyone on the TV machine does it.
>
> Where does this monkey-do behavior come from?
>
> Jim

Semi-cute story: Year ago or so, was playing a $60 or so tourny, down
to three (?) tables, young guy that looked like it was his first live
time, he goes all in, and it is obvious to "every one except him" he
is dead. Guy about to call says "Aren't you supposed to stand up when
you go 'all in'?". Young guy immediatly stands up. Gets called, gets
beat. Caller says "Makes it easier to leave, doesn't it?". Laughs
all around. Sounds kinda nasty now, but at the time, we all had to
laugh....


 
Date: 19 Jan 2009 13:28:30
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:02:56 -0800, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote:

>Why stand up when you're all in? Everyone on the TV machine does it.

>Where does this monkey-do behavior come from?

It's a release of nervous energy. In the same way someone's hands
shaking is. If it's not an affectation for TV or a fakeout of some
kind, or just a "monkey-do" behavior, that is.

If I go all-in on the last hand before a break online, I'll usually
just leave the room and go do whatever I was going to do on the break,
like make a sandwich. Whatever happens, I'm probably going to want to
eat the sandwich and I might as well get started on it.

It's also, I think, a matter of getting mentally prepared to be done
with playing poker by getting physically prepared to walk out. That
way you're not spending an unnecessary minute at the table if you
bust, gathering your shit or whatever while people postpone their
celebrations at your departure. Also saves the other players a couple
seconds of pretending to be sympathetic.


 
Date: 19 Jan 2009 06:31:18
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
On Jan 19 2009 2:02 AM, Clave wrote:

> Why stand up when you're all in? Everyone on the TV machine does it.
>
> Where does this monkey-do behavior come from?
>
> Jim

monkey -do comes from "monkey-see"

Old days people didnt stand up when all-in .. It wasnt that big of a deal
, and the game was being played by grown-ups !!


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Date: 19 Jan 2009 08:45:48
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
On Jan 19 2009 6:31 AM, FangBanger wrote:

> On Jan 19 2009 2:02 AM, Clave wrote:
>
> > Why stand up when you're all in? Everyone on the TV machine does it.
> >
> > Where does this monkey-do behavior come from?
> >
> > Jim
>
> monkey -do comes from "monkey-see"
>
> Old days people didnt stand up when all-in .. It wasnt that big of a deal
> , and the game was being played by grown-ups !!
>

I do it sometimes for a reason nobody here has mentioned. I have a bad
back, and casino chairs suck ass. When two people are all in the hand
usually takes a bit longer than other hands, and this is a good time to
stand up and stretch my back.

>
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
> Voltaire


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Date: 19 Jan 2009 18:59:51
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
"brewmaster" <a163b@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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> On Jan 19 2009 6:31 AM, FangBanger wrote:
>
>> On Jan 19 2009 2:02 AM, Clave wrote:
>>
>> > Why stand up when you're all in? Everyone on the TV machine does it.
>> >
>> > Where does this monkey-do behavior come from?
>> >
>> > Jim
>>
>> monkey -do comes from "monkey-see"
>>
>> Old days people didnt stand up when all-in .. It wasnt that big of a deal
>> , and the game was being played by grown-ups !!
>>
>
> I do it sometimes for a reason nobody here has mentioned. I have a bad
> back, and casino chairs suck ass. When two people are all in the hand
> usually takes a bit longer than other hands, and this is a good time to
> stand up and stretch my back.

Done that myself, and for the same reason -- my sympathies.

Jim




   
Date: 19 Jan 2009 09:10:43
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
> I do it sometimes for a reason nobody here has mentioned. I have a bad
> back, and casino chairs suck ass. When two people are all in the hand
> usually takes a bit longer than other hands, and this is a good time to
> stand up and stretch my back.

I was thinking the same thing myself. Sitting in a chair for 5 hours
straight without getting up leads to an angry back. When there is an all
in in a televised tourney it does take a little longer and gives you the
opportunity to stand up and give it a stretch.

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Date: 19 Jan 2009 01:13:58
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
They do it in live games, and have been before TV Poker. It usually means
the guy is a fish or has a weak bladder. I saw this one guy jump up every
time he was all-in and flap his hands like he was trying to fly.
Seriously, it was so damn funny I think people were calling him just to
see it!

Fucking poker, brings out the mental illness in everyone!


On Jan 19 2009 12:02 AM, Clave wrote:

> Why stand up when you're all in? Everyone on the TV machine does it.
>
> Where does this monkey-do behavior come from?
>
> Jim

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Date: 19 Jan 2009 01:24:58
From: Steam
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
On Jan 19 2009 1:13 AM, Porsche_Dan wrote:

> They do it in live games, and have been before TV Poker. It usually means
> the guy is a fish or has a weak bladder. I saw this one guy jump up every
> time he was all-in and flap his hands like he was trying to fly.
> Seriously, it was so damn funny I think people were calling him just to
> see it!
>
> Fucking poker, brings out the mental illness in everyone!
>

Ok, but if a reasonably solid player does it, it's a big danger sign.

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Date: 19 Jan 2009 04:59:25
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
On Jan 19 2009 1:24 AM, Steam wrote:

> On Jan 19 2009 1:13 AM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
> > They do it in live games, and have been before TV Poker. It usually means
> > the guy is a fish or has a weak bladder. I saw this one guy jump up every
> > time he was all-in and flap his hands like he was trying to fly.
> > Seriously, it was so damn funny I think people were calling him just to
> > see it!
> >
> > Fucking poker, brings out the mental illness in everyone!
> >
>
> Ok, but if a reasonably solid player does it, it's a big danger sign.

Yes, if there are fish at the table he wants a call. If the table is
experienced he does not want the call?

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Date: 19 Jan 2009 08:26:23
From: Steam
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
On Jan 19 2009 4:59 AM, Porsche_Dan wrote:

> On Jan 19 2009 1:24 AM, Steam wrote:
>
> > On Jan 19 2009 1:13 AM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
> >
> > > They do it in live games, and have been before TV Poker. It usually means
> > > the guy is a fish or has a weak bladder. I saw this one guy jump up every
> > > time he was all-in and flap his hands like he was trying to fly.
> > > Seriously, it was so damn funny I think people were calling him just to
> > > see it!
> > >
> > > Fucking poker, brings out the mental illness in everyone!
> > >
> >
> > Ok, but if a reasonably solid player does it, it's a big danger sign.
>
> Yes, if there are fish at the table he wants a call. If the table is
> experienced he does not want the call?

He wants the call, period.

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Date: 19 Jan 2009 01:08:51
From: Steam
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
On Jan 19 2009 12:02 AM, Clave wrote:

> Why stand up when you're all in? Everyone on the TV machine does it.
>
> Where does this monkey-do behavior come from?
>
> Jim

I don't know what they do on TV, but when someone does that in a live game
it is to entice you to call. They want you to think they're ready to go
home, like an attitude of "screw it, lets gamble, I gotta go home soon
anyways." 99% of the time, or more, they have a huge hand, and you better
not mess with them without a mortal lock.

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Date: 19 Jan 2009 01:17:07
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
"Steam" <a74baac@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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> On Jan 19 2009 12:02 AM, Clave wrote:
>
>> Why stand up when you're all in? Everyone on the TV machine does it.
>>
>> Where does this monkey-do behavior come from?
>>
>> Jim
>
> I don't know what they do on TV, but when someone does that in a live game
> it is to entice you to call. They want you to think they're ready to go
> home, like an attitude of "screw it, lets gamble, I gotta go home soon
> anyways." 99% of the time, or more, they have a huge hand, and you better
> not mess with them without a mortal lock.

But on the TV machine, they do it every single time they're all in and the
cards are already face-up.

Whoever's all-in stands up. It's ritual more pointless than Sunday chutch,
and bad TV IMO.

Jim




   
Date: 19 Jan 2009 21:35:46
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
Clave wrote:
> "Steam" <a74baac@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:3isd46xa3g.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> On Jan 19 2009 12:02 AM, Clave wrote:
>>
>>> Why stand up when you're all in? Everyone on the TV machine does it.
>>>
>>> Where does this monkey-do behavior come from?
>>>
>>> Jim
>> I don't know what they do on TV, but when someone does that in a live game
>> it is to entice you to call. They want you to think they're ready to go
>> home, like an attitude of "screw it, lets gamble, I gotta go home soon
>> anyways." 99% of the time, or more, they have a huge hand, and you better
>> not mess with them without a mortal lock.
>
> But on the TV machine, they do it every single time they're all in and the
> cards are already face-up.
>
> Whoever's all-in stands up. It's ritual more pointless than Sunday chutch,
> and bad TV IMO.

I usually do it when I'm all-in and covered. In my case at least it's
mostly adrenaline -- with my tournament life on the line I'm too pumped
to just sit there awaiting my fate. I can also see what comes out more
quickly standing up. As long as the other guy is still considering
whether to call my all-in I'll be like one of those Easter Island
statues, but if he says "call" there's no longer any point in keeping a
poker face.

And I've done it since before I ever saw my first televised tournament.


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Date: 19 Jan 2009 01:32:23
From: Steam
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
On Jan 19 2009 1:17 AM, Clave wrote:

> "Steam" <a74baac@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:3isd46xa3g.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Jan 19 2009 12:02 AM, Clave wrote:
> >
> >> Why stand up when you're all in? Everyone on the TV machine does it.
> >>
> >> Where does this monkey-do behavior come from?
> >>
> >> Jim
> >
> > I don't know what they do on TV, but when someone does that in a live game
> > it is to entice you to call. They want you to think they're ready to go
> > home, like an attitude of "screw it, lets gamble, I gotta go home soon
> > anyways." 99% of the time, or more, they have a huge hand, and you better
> > not mess with them without a mortal lock.
>
> But on the TV machine, they do it every single time they're all in and the
> cards are already face-up.
>
> Whoever's all-in stands up. It's ritual more pointless than Sunday chutch,
> and bad TV IMO.
>
> Jim

I meant before the other players had decided to call or not. If the cards
are already face up on the table, then you might as well stand up

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Date: 19 Jan 2009 01:39:48
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
"Steam" <a74baac@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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> On Jan 19 2009 1:17 AM, Clave wrote:
>
>> "Steam" <a74baac@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:3isd46xa3g.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > On Jan 19 2009 12:02 AM, Clave wrote:
>> >
>> >> Why stand up when you're all in? Everyone on the TV machine does it.
>> >>
>> >> Where does this monkey-do behavior come from?
>> >>
>> >> Jim
>> >
>> > I don't know what they do on TV, but when someone does that in a live
>> > game
>> > it is to entice you to call. They want you to think they're ready to
>> > go
>> > home, like an attitude of "screw it, lets gamble, I gotta go home soon
>> > anyways." 99% of the time, or more, they have a huge hand, and you
>> > better
>> > not mess with them without a mortal lock.
>>
>> But on the TV machine, they do it every single time they're all in and
>> the
>> cards are already face-up.
>>
>> Whoever's all-in stands up. It's ritual more pointless than Sunday
>> chutch,
>> and bad TV IMO.
>>
>> Jim
>
> I meant before the other players had decided to call or not. If the cards
> are already face up on the table, then you might as well stand up

Or you could just as easily stay sitting the fuck down until the hand's
over. Why does damn near *everyone* stand up?

Jim




     
Date: 19 Jan 2009 04:59:08
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
On Jan 19 2009 3:39 AM, Clave wrote:
> > I meant before the other players had decided to call or not. If the cards
> > are already face up on the table, then you might as well stand up
>
> Or you could just as easily stay sitting the fuck down until the hand's
> over. Why does damn near *everyone* stand up?
>
> Jim

I find it difficult to see the cards sometimes when sitting depending on
what chair I am in. I would stand for a better view of the cards.

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Date: 20 Jan 2009 13:03:09
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
On Jan 19 2009 7:59 AM, Will_gamble wrote:

> On Jan 19 2009 3:39 AM, Clave wrote:
> > > I meant before the other players had decided to call or not. If the
cards
> > > are already face up on the table, then you might as well stand up
> >
> > Or you could just as easily stay sitting the fuck down until the hand's
> > over. Why does damn near *everyone* stand up?
> >
> > Jim
>
> I find it difficult to see the cards sometimes when sitting depending on
> what chair I am in. I would stand for a better view of the cards.

I do the same thing if I can't see the board well, but if I can see it my
ass stays in the seat until the hand is over - longer if I win the hand.
:)

I feel ya clave. Even at my home game when someone is all in they
automatically stand up. Like it is a requirement of being all in. I
think they get it from TV, like the glasses, headphones and ball caps.

Speaking of ball caps reminds me... if anyone ever is sitting in a session
with Dan Harrington, please reach over to him and bend the damn brim of
his hat for him. What the hell is that? A wing?

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Date: 20 Jan 2009 19:29:58
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
MMelia wrote:
> On Jan 19 2009 7:59 AM, Will_gamble wrote:

>> I find it difficult to see the cards sometimes when sitting depending on
>> what chair I am in. I would stand for a better view of the cards.
>
> I do the same thing if I can't see the board well, but if I can see it my
> ass stays in the seat until the hand is over - longer if I win the hand.
> :)
>
> I feel ya clave. Even at my home game when someone is all in they
> automatically stand up. Like it is a requirement of being all in. I
> think they get it from TV, like the glasses, headphones and ball caps.

Why does it bother you guys so much? Why the hell do you care if
another player stands up?

And, didn't you read the posts that pointed out that this was being done
before poker was televised?


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Somewhere on the Range


        
Date: 21 Jan 2009 05:35:00
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
On Jan 20 2009 8:29 PM, Joe Long wrote:
> Why does it bother you guys so much? Why the hell do you care if
> another player stands up?
>
> And, didn't you read the posts that pointed out that this was being done
> before poker was televised?
>
>
> --
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> Somewhere on the Range

Clave - One half of a set of claves, a percussion instrument consisting of
two sticks, one of which is used to strike the other.

Basically, a stick without a fellow stick to strike. That has to be a
miserable existence.

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Date: 21 Jan 2009 05:15:16
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
On Jan 20 2009 9:29 PM, Joe Long wrote:

> MMelia wrote:
> > On Jan 19 2009 7:59 AM, Will_gamble wrote:
>
> >> I find it difficult to see the cards sometimes when sitting depending on
> >> what chair I am in. I would stand for a better view of the cards.
> >
> > I do the same thing if I can't see the board well, but if I can see it my
> > ass stays in the seat until the hand is over - longer if I win the hand.
> > :)
> >
> > I feel ya clave. Even at my home game when someone is all in they
> > automatically stand up. Like it is a requirement of being all in. I
> > think they get it from TV, like the glasses, headphones and ball caps.
>
> Why does it bother you guys so much? Why the hell do you care if
> another player stands up?
>
> And, didn't you read the posts that pointed out that this was being done
> before poker was televised?
>
>
> --
> Joe Long aka ChipRider
> Somewhere on the Range

Yes I read it. I think it is done more now than before TV. I asked a guy
last night at my home game why he was standing and he said "because I'm
all in and thats what you are suppose to do".

I don't care - stand if you feel you must, I'm just saying that I think
its stupid.

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Date: 19 Jan 2009 18:55:20
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
"Will_gamble" <a1794@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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> On Jan 19 2009 3:39 AM, Clave wrote:
>> > I meant before the other players had decided to call or not. If the
>> > cards
>> > are already face up on the table, then you might as well stand up
>>
>> Or you could just as easily stay sitting the fuck down until the hand's
>> over. Why does damn near *everyone* stand up?
>>
>> Jim
>
> I find it difficult to see the cards sometimes when sitting depending on
> what chair I am in. I would stand for a better view of the cards.

OK, I can buy that, but I doubt that's what most are doing.

Jim




 
Date: 19 Jan 2009 08:42:56
From: Patti Beadles
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
In article <TPadnYJ4W4gvrunUnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@cablespeedmi.com >,
Clave <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote:
>Why stand up when you're all in? Everyone on the TV machine does it.

I never do it, but I've seen some people do it since before
anyone played poker on the TV machine. (Do they still play
on TV?) I think it's just getting ready to walk away from
the table.

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Date: 19 Jan 2009 01:04:04
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net > wrote in message
news:gl1eeg$ro6$1@blue.rahul.net...
> In article <TPadnYJ4W4gvrunUnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@cablespeedmi.com>,
> Clave <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>Why stand up when you're all in? Everyone on the TV machine does it.
>
> I never do it, but I've seen some people do it since before
> anyone played poker on the TV machine. (Do they still play
> on TV?) I think it's just getting ready to walk away from
> the table.

Seems more ceremonial or traditional than that -- *everyone* does it, and
there's no apparent rational reason.

Did people do this in B&M games before the TVSM era? I'm guessing not, and
that it's a camera affectation, in which case I'm still interested in
knowing what it's meant to achieve.

Jim




   
Date: 19 Jan 2009 09:30:10
From: Patti Beadles
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
In article <Ke6dnU4CauCb3-nUnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com >,
Clave <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote:

>> I never do it, but I've seen some people do it since before
>> anyone played poker on the TV machine.

>Did people do this in B&M games before the TVSM era? I'm guessing not

Actually, as I said in the message that you quoted, they did.
Not everyone did, but lots of people.

I remember the late Andy Glaser doing this to me in the main
event of the WSOP several years ago. He was all in with TT vs
my KK on the flop, and he stood up, shook my hand, and started
gathering his things. When the ten fell on the river, he had
to undo all of his preparations.

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Date: 19 Jan 2009 01:38:09
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net > wrote in message
news:gl1h72$fu6$1@blue.rahul.net...
> In article <Ke6dnU4CauCb3-nUnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com>,
> Clave <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
>>> I never do it, but I've seen some people do it since before
>>> anyone played poker on the TV machine.
>
>>Did people do this in B&M games before the TVSM era? I'm guessing not
>
> Actually, as I said in the message that you quoted, they did.
> Not everyone did, but lots of people.

I have no doubt that some people did.


> I remember the late Andy Glaser doing this to me in the main
> event of the WSOP several years ago. He was all in with TT vs
> my KK on the flop, and he stood up, shook my hand, and started
> gathering his things. When the ten fell on the river, he had
> to undo all of his preparations.

But my question is why people do it seemingly out of reflex now.

Seriously -- everyone does it, and there's no apparent rational reason.
People seem to think that it's just how the game is played.

Jim




     
Date: 19 Jan 2009 05:01:08
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
On Jan 19 2009 1:38 AM, Clave wrote:

> "Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
> news:gl1h72$fu6$1@blue.rahul.net...
> > In article <Ke6dnU4CauCb3-nUnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com>,
> > Clave <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> I never do it, but I've seen some people do it since before
> >>> anyone played poker on the TV machine.
> >
> >>Did people do this in B&M games before the TVSM era? I'm guessing not
> >
> > Actually, as I said in the message that you quoted, they did.
> > Not everyone did, but lots of people.
>
> I have no doubt that some people did.
>
>
> > I remember the late Andy Glaser doing this to me in the main
> > event of the WSOP several years ago. He was all in with TT vs
> > my KK on the flop, and he stood up, shook my hand, and started
> > gathering his things. When the ten fell on the river, he had
> > to undo all of his preparations.
>
> But my question is why people do it seemingly out of reflex now.
>
> Seriously -- everyone does it, and there's no apparent rational reason.
> People seem to think that it's just how the game is played.
>
> Jim

Look at clips from the Moneymaker WSOP. Chris did it every time!

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Date: 19 Jan 2009 06:33:52
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Question for the Old Farts
On Jan 19 2009 7:01 AM, Porsche_Dan wrote:

> On Jan 19 2009 1:38 AM, Clave wrote:
>
> > "Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
> > news:gl1h72$fu6$1@blue.rahul.net...
> > > In article <Ke6dnU4CauCb3-nUnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com>,
> > > Clave <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>> I never do it, but I've seen some people do it since before
> > >>> anyone played poker on the TV machine.
> > >
> > >>Did people do this in B&M games before the TVSM era? I'm guessing not
> > >
> > > Actually, as I said in the message that you quoted, they did.
> > > Not everyone did, but lots of people.
> >
> > I have no doubt that some people did.
> >
> >
> > > I remember the late Andy Glaser doing this to me in the main
> > > event of the WSOP several years ago. He was all in with TT vs
> > > my KK on the flop, and he stood up, shook my hand, and started
> > > gathering his things. When the ten fell on the river, he had
> > > to undo all of his preparations.
> >
> > But my question is why people do it seemingly out of reflex now.
> >
> > Seriously -- everyone does it, and there's no apparent rational reason.
> > People seem to think that it's just how the game is played.
> >
> > Jim
>
> Look at clips from the Moneymaker WSOP. Chris did it every time!

AND THAT IS THE OLD DAYS ???


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