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Date: 01 Feb 2009 12:38:01
From: Juan Tanamera
Subject: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

If you get caught owing thousands of dollars to the government just
say your a Democrat. Problem solved

Date: 03 Feb 2009 12:25:14
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

On Feb 1, 9:38=A0am, Juan Tanamera <noem...@noemail.com > wrote:
> If you get caught owing thousands of dollars to the government just
> say your a Democrat. Problem solved

Or just pay what you owe, plus interest and penalties... as they
have.

Date: 03 Feb 2009 17:27:12
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

OrangeSFO wrote:
> On Feb 1, 9:38 am, Juan Tanamera <noem...@noemail.com> wrote:
>> If you get caught owing thousands of dollars to the government just
>> say your a Democrat. Problem solved

> Or just pay what you owe, plus interest and penalties... as they
> have.

Oh, is this the new Liberal morality? Go ahead and cheat on your taxes,
and just pay up if you're caught? BTW, these well-connected pols didn't
have to pay any penalties.

--
Joe Long aka ChipRider
Somewhere on the Range

Date: 03 Feb 2009 15:30:31
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

"OrangeSFO" <intangible103@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:9216f2e8-bf2a-4113-a953-b832fe6178fd@35g2000pry.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 1, 9:38 am, Juan Tanamera <noem...@noemail.com > wrote:
>> If you get caught owing thousands of dollars to the government just
>> say your a Democrat. Problem solved

>Or just pay what you owe, plus interest and penalties... as they
>have.

PDO

Date: 03 Feb 2009 15:09:37
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

"OrangeSFO"

> If you get caught owing thousands of dollars to the government just
> say your a Democrat. Problem solved

Or just pay what you owe, plus interest and penalties... as they
have.
======================

I know you don't like facts much, Orange ... you might check sometime.

Date: 03 Feb 2009 11:26:45
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

"Juan Tanamera" <noemail@noemail.com > wrote in message
news:lrmbo4d5t621ne7s4v7s3uaunurlpgt15d@4ax.com...
> If you get caught owing thousands of dollars to the government just
> say your a Democrat. Problem solved

and another one just today

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/02/03/ST2009020301282.html

Date: 03 Feb 2009 21:33:53
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

GW had first pick, so Obama has to do with whats left.

On Feb 3, 9:20=EF=BF=BDpm, Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Feb 3, 8:42=EF=BF=BDpm, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "FL Turbo" <noem...@notime.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:htuho49l2ob6kvn0kihe9qahtjnhid3m2o@4ax.com...
>
> > > On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:36:42 -0700, Joe Long <nos...@spam.com> wrote:
>
> > >>da pickle wrote:
> > >>> "JerseyRudy"
>
> > >>>> He's comparing the 8 years of failure that was the Bush administra=
tion
> > >>>> with the first two weeks of the Obama administration
>
> > >>> Indeed, it is only two weeks. =EF=BF=BDWhat will happen next?
>
> > >>> You are still stuck in "it cannot get anything but better" mode, ru=
dy.
> > >>> What
> > >>> will it take for you to see that it just might be getting worse and=
it
> > >>> can
> > >>> get worser still?
>
> > >>> For me, it is still too early to tell. =EF=BF=BDHowever, nothing th=
at our new
> > >>> President promised seems to have any legs.
>
> > >>Between the election and the inauguration I was encouraged by Obama's
> > >>statements and most of his appointments. =EF=BF=BDSince the inaugurat=
ion, I have
> > >>growing concerns. =EF=BF=BDNot just the tax-cheat thingy. =EF=BF=BDAl=
so that after
> > >>campaigning on changing the culture in Washington, he appoints Daschl=
e
> > >>to two top jobs, after Daschle has spent the last two years making
> > >>millions influence-peddling, as a political payoff. =EF=BF=BDHe's fli=
rting with
> > >>re-writing trade agreements in the teeth of a worldwide recession. =
=EF=BF=BDHe's
> > >>pledged to take away the right of American workers to have a secret
> > >>ballot to be unionized -- has the U.S. government ever taken away suc=
h a
> > >>right before?
>
> > >>It's not looking good.
>
> > > I'm on record as saying that every new President deserves at least a
> > > little "honeymoon" time in office before being bashed for his
> > > decisions.
>
> > > I'm wondering if the time before his inauguration, lining up Cabinet
> > > appointees qualifies as part of the "honeymoon"?
>
> > > Call me conflicted.
>
> > > I don't know how much longer I can hold out.
>
> > Pffftt...ankle biting from Irish Mike, Susan and pickle.
>
> > Let Obama get is team picked and ready and then see how they run the
> > country.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Looks like he is picking the Cons team in "The Longest Yard"- Hide quoted=
text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Date: 03 Feb 2009 18:00:43
From: Alim Nassor
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

On Feb 3, 6:36=A0pm, Joe Long <nos...@spam.com > wrote:
> da pickle wrote:
> > "JerseyRudy"
> >> He's comparing the 8 years of failure that was the Bush administration
> >> with the first two weeks of the Obama administration
>
> > Indeed, it is only two weeks. =A0What will happen next?
>
> > You are still stuck in "it cannot get anything but better" mode, rudy. =
=A0What
> > will it take for you to see that it just might be getting worse and it =
can
> > get worser still?
>
> > For me, it is still too early to tell. =A0However, nothing that our new
> > President promised seems to have any legs.
>
> Between the election and the inauguration I was encouraged by Obama's
> statements and most of his appointments. =A0Since the inauguration, I hav=
e
> growing concerns. =A0Not just the tax-cheat thingy. =A0Also that after
> campaigning on changing the culture in Washington, he appoints Daschle
> to two top jobs, after Daschle has spent the last two years making
> millions influence-peddling, as a political payoff. =A0He's flirting with
> re-writing trade agreements in the teeth of a worldwide recession. =A0He'=
s
> pledged to take away the right of American workers to have a secret
> ballot to be unionized -- has the U.S. government ever taken away such a
> right before?
>
> It's not looking good.
>
> --
> Joe Long aka ChipRider
> Somewhere on the Range

If these appointees can't handle their own taxes any better than this,
what makes anyone think they could handle a Cabinet level post any
better?

Date: 04 Feb 2009 08:25:37
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

"Alim Nassor"

If these appointees can't handle their own taxes any better than this,
what makes anyone think they could handle a Cabinet level post any
better?
=============================

"You can be a millionaire, and never pay taxes! You can be a millionaire,
and never pay taxes! You say, 'Steve, how can I be a millionaire, and never
pay taxes?' First, get a million dollars. Now, you say, 'Steve, what do I
say to the tax man when he comes to my door and says, "You.. have never paid
taxes"?' Two simple words. Two simple words in the English language: 'I
forgot!' "--Steve Martin, "Saturday Night Live," Jan. 21, 1978

"Geithner Apologizes Over Taxes"--headline, WSJ.com, Jan. 21, 2009

Date: 04 Feb 2009 11:06:38
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

"da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:C_qdneS0Lbj4OBTURVn_vwA@giganews.com...
> "Alim Nassor"
>
> If these appointees can't handle their own taxes any better than this,
> what makes anyone think they could handle a Cabinet level post any
> better?

Because they're smarter than we are. Guys like you and me, we thought no
one would be dumb enough to try and claim his kid's summer camp cost as a
business expense. We thought you went to jail for cheating on your taxes.
Well, we were wrong bucko. Tim Geithner cheated on his taxes for four years
and Obama made him Secretary of the Treasury and put him in charge of the
IRS. Now this is fuckin' change I can believe in! Don't pay your taxes and
if you get caught, just say sorry boys, I forgot. Then Obama gives you a
high paying government job. We should have thought of this a long time
ago - hell, we'd have saved a fortune in tax payments.

Irish Mike

Date: 03 Feb 2009 21:52:32
From: Alim Nassor
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

On Feb 3, 11:33=A0pm, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com >
wrote:
> GW had first pick, so Obama has to do with whats left.
>
> On Feb 3, 9:20 pm, Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 3, 8:42 pm, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > > "FL Turbo" <noem...@notime.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:htuho49l2ob6kvn0kihe9qahtjnhid3m2o@4ax.com...
>
> > > > On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:36:42 -0700, Joe Long <nos...@spam.com> wrot=
e:
>
> > > >>da pickle wrote:
> > > >>> "JerseyRudy"
>
> > > >>>> He's comparing the 8 years of failure that was the Bush administ=
ration
> > > >>>> with the first two weeks of the Obama administration
>
> > > >>> Indeed, it is only two weeks. What will happen next?
>
> > > >>> You are still stuck in "it cannot get anything but better" mode, =
rudy.
> > > >>> What
> > > >>> will it take for you to see that it just might be getting worse a=
nd it
> > > >>> can
> > > >>> get worser still?
>
> > > >>> For me, it is still too early to tell. However, nothing that our =
new
> > > >>> President promised seems to have any legs.
>
> > > >>Between the election and the inauguration I was encouraged by Obama=
's
> > > >>statements and most of his appointments. Since the inauguration, I =
have
> > > >>growing concerns. Not just the tax-cheat thingy. Also that after
> > > >>campaigning on changing the culture in Washington, he appoints Dasc=
hle
> > > >>to two top jobs, after Daschle has spent the last two years making
> > > >>millions influence-peddling, as a political payoff. He's flirting w=
ith
> > > >>re-writing trade agreements in the teeth of a worldwide recession. =
He's
> > > >>pledged to take away the right of American workers to have a secret
> > > >>ballot to be unionized -- has the U.S. government ever taken away s=
uch a
> > > >>right before?
>
> > > >>It's not looking good.
>
> > > > I'm on record as saying that every new President deserves at least =
a
> > > > little "honeymoon" time in office before being bashed for his
> > > > decisions.
>
> > > > I'm wondering if the time before his inauguration, lining up Cabine=
t
> > > > appointees qualifies as part of the "honeymoon"?
>
> > > > Call me conflicted.
>
> > > > I don't know how much longer I can hold out.
>
> > > Pffftt...ankle biting from Irish Mike, Susan and pickle.
>
> > > Let Obama get is team picked and ready and then see how they run the
> > > country.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Looks like he is picking the Cons team in "The Longest Yard"- Hide quot=
ed text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

So you admit, there aren't any honest Dems to pick from?

Date: 03 Feb 2009 21:20:28
From: Alim Nassor
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

On Feb 3, 8:42=A0pm, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net > wrote:
> "FL Turbo" <noem...@notime.com> wrote in message
>
> news:htuho49l2ob6kvn0kihe9qahtjnhid3m2o@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:36:42 -0700, Joe Long <nos...@spam.com> wrote:
>
> >>da pickle wrote:
> >>> "JerseyRudy"
>
> >>>> He's comparing the 8 years of failure that was the Bush administrati=
on
> >>>> with the first two weeks of the Obama administration
>
> >>> Indeed, it is only two weeks. =A0What will happen next?
>
> >>> You are still stuck in "it cannot get anything but better" mode, rudy=
.
> >>> What
> >>> will it take for you to see that it just might be getting worse and i=
t
> >>> can
> >>> get worser still?
>
> >>> For me, it is still too early to tell. =A0However, nothing that our n=
ew
> >>> President promised seems to have any legs.
>
> >>Between the election and the inauguration I was encouraged by Obama's
> >>statements and most of his appointments. =A0Since the inauguration, I h=
ave
> >>growing concerns. =A0Not just the tax-cheat thingy. =A0Also that after
> >>campaigning on changing the culture in Washington, he appoints Daschle
> >>to two top jobs, after Daschle has spent the last two years making
> >>millions influence-peddling, as a political payoff. =A0He's flirting wi=
th
> >>re-writing trade agreements in the teeth of a worldwide recession. =A0H=
e's
> >>pledged to take away the right of American workers to have a secret
> >>ballot to be unionized -- has the U.S. government ever taken away such =
a
> >>right before?
>
> >>It's not looking good.
>
> > I'm on record as saying that every new President deserves at least a
> > little "honeymoon" time in office before being bashed for his
> > decisions.
>
> > I'm wondering if the time before his inauguration, lining up Cabinet
> > appointees qualifies as part of the "honeymoon"?
>
> > Call me conflicted.
>
> > I don't know how much longer I can hold out.
>
> Pffftt...ankle biting from Irish Mike, Susan and pickle.
>
> Let Obama get is team picked and ready and then see how they run the
> country.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Looks like he is picking the Cons team in "The Longest Yard"

Date: 03 Feb 2009 18:02:37
From: Alim Nassor
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

=A0He's
> pledged to take away the right of American workers to have a secret
> ballot to be unionized -- has the U.S. government ever taken away such a
> right before?
>
> It's not looking good.
>
> --
> Joe Long aka ChipRider
> Somewhere on the Range

Why are you surprised at this? It was an issue during the election.
Everyone knew he was going to do it.

Date: 03 Feb 2009 11:53:35
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

"Susan"

> news:lrmbo4d5t621ne7s4v7s3uaunurlpgt15d@4ax.com...
>> If you get caught owing thousands of dollars to the government just
>> say your a Democrat. Problem solved
>
> and another one just today
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/02/03/ST2009020301282.html

It has to be worse that what is printed. There is nothing in this story
that would rise beyond "just a mistake" for this new group. I wonder why
the Post did not dig for the real story?

Date: 03 Feb 2009 12:13:46
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

"da pickle"

>>> If you get caught owing thousands of dollars to the government just
>>> say your a Democrat. Problem solved
>>
>> and another one just today
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/02/03/ST2009020301282.html
>
> It has to be worse that what is printed. There is nothing in this story
> that would rise beyond "just a mistake" for this new group. I wonder why
> the Post did not dig for the real story?

Wow ... Daschle just withdrew his name. Wow ... so, there is a limit of
some sort.

I wonder why Daschle is just "too much" and Geitner was "just right?"

Apparently, this "no lobbyists" stuff has completely been abandoned.

Now, the story is that there will be "lobbyists" IN the administration ...
it is now said that they will just not "run" the administration. There are
plenty of wordsmiths on RGP that can parse that for us.

It is going to be difficult to beat the Bush folks ... but Obama may be up
for it.

Date: 03 Feb 2009 14:14:15
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

"da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:WeGdndg61rb_FBXURVn_vwA@giganews.com...
> "da pickle"
>
>>>> If you get caught owing thousands of dollars to the government just
>>>> say your a Democrat. Problem solved
>>>
>>> and another one just today
>>>
>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/02/03/ST2009020301282.html
>>
>> It has to be worse that what is printed. There is nothing in this story
>> that would rise beyond "just a mistake" for this new group. I wonder why
>> the Post did not dig for the real story?
>
> Wow ... Daschle just withdrew his name. Wow ... so, there is a limit of
> some sort.
>
> I wonder why Daschle is just "too much" and Geitner was "just right?"
>
> Apparently, this "no lobbyists" stuff has completely been abandoned.
>
> Now, the story is that there will be "lobbyists" IN the administration ...
> it is now said that they will just not "run" the administration. There
> are plenty of wordsmiths on RGP that can parse that for us.
>
> It is going to be difficult to beat the Bush folks ... but Obama may be up
> for it.

SPIN Rudy, SPIN

Date: 03 Feb 2009 12:43:33
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

On Feb 3 2009 3:14 PM, Susan wrote:

> "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:WeGdndg61rb_FBXURVn_vwA@giganews.com...
> > "da pickle"
> >
> >>>> If you get caught owing thousands of dollars to the government just
> >>>> say your a Democrat. Problem solved
> >>>
> >>> and another one just today
> >>>
> >>>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/02/03/ST2009020301282.html
> >>
> >> It has to be worse that what is printed. There is nothing in this story
> >> that would rise beyond "just a mistake" for this new group. I wonder why
> >> the Post did not dig for the real story?
> >
> > Wow ... Daschle just withdrew his name. Wow ... so, there is a limit of
> > some sort.
> >
> > I wonder why Daschle is just "too much" and Geitner was "just right?"
> >
> > Apparently, this "no lobbyists" stuff has completely been abandoned.
> >
> > Now, the story is that there will be "lobbyists" IN the administration ...
> > it is now said that they will just not "run" the administration. There
> > are plenty of wordsmiths on RGP that can parse that for us.
> >
> > It is going to be difficult to beat the Bush folks ... but Obama may be up
> > for it.
>
>
> SPIN Rudy, SPIN

He's comparing the 8 years of failure that was the Bush administration
with the first two weeks of the Obama administration, based on the fact
that three exceptions were made for lobbyists, and two nominees
voluntarily disclosed that they failed to pay all of their taxes...and
you're asking me to SPIN? Hilarious!

For accuracy sake, this comical comparison that he made is not so much
"spin" as "hyberbole which reveals the writer's biases," but the point
remains the same.

I also find it amusing that he can't seem to figure out the difference
between Geithner's tax issue and Daschle's problems (taxes being only one
of them). It's as if the facts are not available to certain people. And
before you ask me to "spin" the facts for you, they are easily available
from several reputable sources online.

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 02:54:36
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

The latest rant from "But Bush Jersey". But Bush..., But Bush..., But
Bush...

Irish Mike

"JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:lsmm56xoep.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 3 2009 3:14 PM, Susan wrote:
>
>> "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:WeGdndg61rb_FBXURVn_vwA@giganews.com...
>> > "da pickle"
>> >
>> >>>> If you get caught owing thousands of dollars to the government just
>> >>>> say your a Democrat. Problem solved
>> >>>
>> >>> and another one just today
>> >>>
>> >>>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/02/03/ST2009020301282.html
>> >>
>> >> It has to be worse that what is printed. There is nothing in this
>> >> story
>> >> that would rise beyond "just a mistake" for this new group. I wonder
>> >> why
>> >> the Post did not dig for the real story?
>> >
>> > Wow ... Daschle just withdrew his name. Wow ... so, there is a limit
>> > of
>> > some sort.
>> >
>> > I wonder why Daschle is just "too much" and Geitner was "just right?"
>> >
>> > Apparently, this "no lobbyists" stuff has completely been abandoned.
>> >
>> > Now, the story is that there will be "lobbyists" IN the administration
>> > ...
>> > it is now said that they will just not "run" the administration. There
>> > are plenty of wordsmiths on RGP that can parse that for us.
>> >
>> > It is going to be difficult to beat the Bush folks ... but Obama may be
>> > up
>> > for it.
>>
>>
>> SPIN Rudy, SPIN
>
>
> He's comparing the 8 years of failure that was the Bush administration
> with the first two weeks of the Obama administration, based on the fact
> that three exceptions were made for lobbyists, and two nominees
> voluntarily disclosed that they failed to pay all of their taxes...and
> you're asking me to SPIN? Hilarious!
>
> For accuracy sake, this comical comparison that he made is not so much
> "spin" as "hyberbole which reveals the writer's biases," but the point
> remains the same.
>
> I also find it amusing that he can't seem to figure out the difference
> between Geithner's tax issue and Daschle's problems (taxes being only one
> of them). It's as if the facts are not available to certain people. And
> before you ask me to "spin" the facts for you, they are easily available
> from several reputable sources online.
>
> ---
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>

Date: 04 Feb 2009 07:58:59
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

On Feb 4 2009 2:54 AM, Irish Mike wrote:

> The latest rant from "But Bush Jersey". But Bush..., But Bush..., But
> Bush...
>
> Irish Mike

wrong as usual. I didn't bring Bush up in this thread. I was asked to
respond to another poster who brought up the comparison between Bush and
Obama. It's astounding that you can't even get this right.
>

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 10:52:14
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

"JerseyRudy"

>> The latest rant from "But Bush Jersey". But Bush..., But Bush..., But
>> Bush...
>>
>> Irish Mike
>
>
> wrong as usual. I didn't bring Bush up in this thread. I was asked to
> respond to another poster who brought up the comparison between Bush and
> Obama. It's astounding that you can't even get this right.

"(the Bush administration was closer to three
former lobbyists for every non-lobbyist!)"

It seemed like a "but bush" in there ...

Date: 04 Feb 2009 09:43:59
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

On Feb 4 2009 11:52 AM, da pickle wrote:

> "JerseyRudy"
>
> >> The latest rant from "But Bush Jersey". But Bush..., But Bush..., But
> >> Bush...
> >>
> >> Irish Mike
> >
> >
> > wrong as usual. I didn't bring Bush up in this thread. I was asked to
> > respond to another poster who brought up the comparison between Bush and
> > Obama. It's astounding that you can't even get this right.
>
> "(the Bush administration was closer to three
> former lobbyists for every non-lobbyist!)"
>
> It seemed like a "but bush" in there ...

that was part of my response to your post in which you brought up the
comparison between the two.

I didn't receive the new RGP ground rules in which you can raise the
comparison between Bush and Obama, but when someone responds by pointing
out how the comparison is invaild, they are engaging in a "But Bush rant."

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 08:16:16
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

"JerseyRudy"

>> >> The latest rant from "But Bush Jersey". But Bush..., But Bush..., But
>> >> Bush...
>> >
>> > wrong as usual. I didn't bring Bush up in this thread. I was asked to
>> > respond to another poster who brought up the comparison between Bush
>> > and
>> > Obama. It's astounding that you can't even get this right.
>>
>> "(the Bush administration was closer to three
>> former lobbyists for every non-lobbyist!)"
>>
>> It seemed like a "but bush" in there ...
>
> that was part of my response to your post in which you brought up the
> comparison between the two.
>
> I didn't receive the new RGP ground rules in which you can raise the
> comparison between Bush and Obama, but when someone responds by pointing
> out how the comparison is invaild, they are engaging in a "But Bush rant."

Is this what you are talking about?

"It is going to be difficult to beat the Bush folks ... but Obama may be up
for it."

You are amazing, Rudy, you really are.

Date: 03 Feb 2009 15:08:50
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

"JerseyRudy"

>> SPIN Rudy, SPIN
>
> He's comparing the 8 years of failure that was the Bush administration
> with the first two weeks of the Obama administration

Indeed, it is only two weeks. What will happen next?

You are still stuck in "it cannot get anything but better" mode, rudy. What
will it take for you to see that it just might be getting worse and it can
get worser still?

For me, it is still too early to tell. However, nothing that our new
President promised seems to have any legs.

Date: 03 Feb 2009 17:36:42
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

da pickle wrote:
> "JerseyRudy"

>> He's comparing the 8 years of failure that was the Bush administration
>> with the first two weeks of the Obama administration
>
> Indeed, it is only two weeks. What will happen next?
>
> You are still stuck in "it cannot get anything but better" mode, rudy. What
> will it take for you to see that it just might be getting worse and it can
> get worser still?
>
> For me, it is still too early to tell. However, nothing that our new
> President promised seems to have any legs.

Between the election and the inauguration I was encouraged by Obama's
statements and most of his appointments. Since the inauguration, I have
growing concerns. Not just the tax-cheat thingy. Also that after
campaigning on changing the culture in Washington, he appoints Daschle
to two top jobs, after Daschle has spent the last two years making
millions influence-peddling, as a political payoff. He's flirting with
re-writing trade agreements in the teeth of a worldwide recession. He's
pledged to take away the right of American workers to have a secret
ballot to be unionized -- has the U.S. government ever taken away such a
right before?

It's not looking good.

--
Joe Long aka ChipRider
Somewhere on the Range

Date: 03 Feb 2009 20:28:21
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:36:42 -0700, Joe Long <nospam@spam.com > wrote:

>da pickle wrote:
>> "JerseyRudy"
>
>>> He's comparing the 8 years of failure that was the Bush administration
>>> with the first two weeks of the Obama administration
>>
>> Indeed, it is only two weeks. What will happen next?
>>
>> You are still stuck in "it cannot get anything but better" mode, rudy. What
>> will it take for you to see that it just might be getting worse and it can
>> get worser still?
>>
>> For me, it is still too early to tell. However, nothing that our new
>> President promised seems to have any legs.
>
>Between the election and the inauguration I was encouraged by Obama's
>statements and most of his appointments. Since the inauguration, I have
>growing concerns. Not just the tax-cheat thingy. Also that after
>campaigning on changing the culture in Washington, he appoints Daschle
>to two top jobs, after Daschle has spent the last two years making
>millions influence-peddling, as a political payoff. He's flirting with
>re-writing trade agreements in the teeth of a worldwide recession. He's
>pledged to take away the right of American workers to have a secret
>ballot to be unionized -- has the U.S. government ever taken away such a
>right before?
>
>It's not looking good.

I'm on record as saying that every new President deserves at least a
little "honeymoon" time in office before being bashed for his
decisions.

I'm wondering if the time before his inauguration, lining up Cabinet
appointees qualifies as part of the "honeymoon"?

Call me conflicted.

I don't know how much longer I can hold out.

Date: 03 Feb 2009 20:42:56
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

"FL Turbo" <noemail@notime.com > wrote in message
news:htuho49l2ob6kvn0kihe9qahtjnhid3m2o@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:36:42 -0700, Joe Long <nospam@spam.com> wrote:
>
>>da pickle wrote:
>>> "JerseyRudy"
>>
>>>> He's comparing the 8 years of failure that was the Bush administration
>>>> with the first two weeks of the Obama administration
>>>
>>> Indeed, it is only two weeks. What will happen next?
>>>
>>> You are still stuck in "it cannot get anything but better" mode, rudy.
>>> What
>>> will it take for you to see that it just might be getting worse and it
>>> can
>>> get worser still?
>>>
>>> For me, it is still too early to tell. However, nothing that our new
>>> President promised seems to have any legs.
>>
>>Between the election and the inauguration I was encouraged by Obama's
>>statements and most of his appointments. Since the inauguration, I have
>>growing concerns. Not just the tax-cheat thingy. Also that after
>>campaigning on changing the culture in Washington, he appoints Daschle
>>to two top jobs, after Daschle has spent the last two years making
>>millions influence-peddling, as a political payoff. He's flirting with
>>re-writing trade agreements in the teeth of a worldwide recession. He's
>>pledged to take away the right of American workers to have a secret
>>ballot to be unionized -- has the U.S. government ever taken away such a
>>right before?
>>
>>It's not looking good.
>
> I'm on record as saying that every new President deserves at least a
> little "honeymoon" time in office before being bashed for his
> decisions.
>
> I'm wondering if the time before his inauguration, lining up Cabinet
> appointees qualifies as part of the "honeymoon"?
>
> Call me conflicted.
>
> I don't know how much longer I can hold out.

Pffftt...ankle biting from Irish Mike, Susan and pickle.

Let Obama get is team picked and ready and then see how they run the
country.

Date: 04 Feb 2009 20:11:29
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 20:42:56 -0600, "James L. Hankins"
<jhankins5@cox.net > wrote:

>
>"FL Turbo" <noemail@notime.com> wrote in message
>news:htuho49l2ob6kvn0kihe9qahtjnhid3m2o@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:36:42 -0700, Joe Long <nospam@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>da pickle wrote:
>>>> "JerseyRudy"
>>>
>>>>> He's comparing the 8 years of failure that was the Bush administration
>>>>> with the first two weeks of the Obama administration
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, it is only two weeks. What will happen next?
>>>>
>>>> You are still stuck in "it cannot get anything but better" mode, rudy.
>>>> What
>>>> will it take for you to see that it just might be getting worse and it
>>>> can
>>>> get worser still?
>>>>
>>>> For me, it is still too early to tell. However, nothing that our new
>>>> President promised seems to have any legs.
>>>
>>>Between the election and the inauguration I was encouraged by Obama's
>>>statements and most of his appointments. Since the inauguration, I have
>>>growing concerns. Not just the tax-cheat thingy. Also that after
>>>campaigning on changing the culture in Washington, he appoints Daschle
>>>to two top jobs, after Daschle has spent the last two years making
>>>millions influence-peddling, as a political payoff. He's flirting with
>>>re-writing trade agreements in the teeth of a worldwide recession. He's
>>>pledged to take away the right of American workers to have a secret
>>>ballot to be unionized -- has the U.S. government ever taken away such a
>>>right before?
>>>
>>>It's not looking good.
>>
>> I'm on record as saying that every new President deserves at least a
>> little "honeymoon" time in office before being bashed for his
>> decisions.
>>
>> I'm wondering if the time before his inauguration, lining up Cabinet
>> appointees qualifies as part of the "honeymoon"?
>>
>> Call me conflicted.
>>
>> I don't know how much longer I can hold out.
>
>
>
>Pffftt...ankle biting from Irish Mike, Susan and pickle.
>
>Let Obama get is team picked and ready and then see how they run the
>country.
>

Okay.
You convinced me.

We should at least wait to see what kind of response he gets from the
"International community".

If he gets some positive response from ally and enemy alike, it will
be a big plus for him.

If it's only Business as Usual on the international scene, then not so
much.

Date: 03 Feb 2009 21:08:18
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

"James L. Hankins"

> Let Obama get is team picked and ready and then see how they run the
> country.

I can agree with that.

Date: 03 Feb 2009 13:44:04
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

On Feb 3 2009 4:08 PM, da pickle wrote:

> "JerseyRudy"
>
> >> SPIN Rudy, SPIN
> >
> > He's comparing the 8 years of failure that was the Bush administration
> > with the first two weeks of the Obama administration
>
> Indeed, it is only two weeks. What will happen next?
>
> You are still stuck in "it cannot get anything but better" mode, rudy. What
> will it take for you to see that it just might be getting worse and it can
> get worser still?
>
> For me, it is still too early to tell. However, nothing that our new
> President promised seems to have any legs.

nothing? You must not be paying attention to substantive policy, which is
understandable given your fixation on the three former lobbyists who are
now in the Administration (the Bush administration was closer to three
former lobbyists for every non-lobbyist!) and the tax problems of Geithner
and Daschle.

Regarding policy, Obama has already signed a whole slew of Executive
Orders reversing some of the worst policies of the Bush administration.
Now I have no doubt you disagree with Obama on many of these (which makes
your statement that "it just might be getting worse" understandable from
your perspective), but at least start being honest about your feeling
towards the President. You didn't support his candidacy, you didn't vote
for him, you disagree with his policy positions on most issues...this
whole charade you go through in which you pretend to be someone who had
such high hopes for the new President but you now see that he might
actually be worse than his predecessor is silly...nobody who saw your
posts prior to Obama's election will buy it.

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Date: 03 Feb 2009 14:01:33
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

Date: 03 Feb 2009 12:10:20
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

"da pickle" <jcpickels@NOSPAMhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:X7idndN-Qp91HhXUnZ2dnUVZ_rXinZ2d@giganews.com...
> "Susan"
>
>> news:lrmbo4d5t621ne7s4v7s3uaunurlpgt15d@4ax.com...
>>> If you get caught owing thousands of dollars to the government just
>>> say your a Democrat. Problem solved
>>
>> and another one just today
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/02/03/ST2009020301282.html
>
> It has to be worse that what is printed. There is nothing in this story
> that would rise beyond "just a mistake" for this new group. I wonder why
> the Post did not dig for the real story?

My take, but we know I'm just PDS, is that she just today withdrew and the
story is coming out now.

There are over 600 sources, all saying not much of anything else.

Date: 01 Feb 2009 13:53:36
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

"Juan Tanamera" <noemail@noemail.com > wrote in message
news:lrmbo4d5t621ne7s4v7s3uaunurlpgt15d@4ax.com...
> If you get caught owing thousands of dollars to the government just
> say your a Democrat. Problem solved

That's not completely true. Two proven Democrat tax cheats, Tim Geithner
(sp?) and Tom Daschle, didn't get completely off the hook until The Messiah
appointed them to his cabinet. BTW, does it strike any one else as ironic
that The Messiah appointed a proven tax cheat to head up the IRS? Or that
Democrat Charlie Rangle, who writes the tax policy, is a proven, repeat tax
cheat? It used to be that if a politician was proven to be a repeat tax
cheater, his or her career, was over. Well not under The Messiah's reign.
Now that is change you can believe in.

Irish Mike

Date: 02 Feb 2009 20:14:13
From: Tad Perry
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:mamhl.1227$Lr6.380@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
> "Juan Tanamera" <noemail@noemail.com> wrote in message
> news:lrmbo4d5t621ne7s4v7s3uaunurlpgt15d@4ax.com...
>> If you get caught owing thousands of dollars to the government just
>> say your a Democrat. Problem solved
>
> That's not completely true. Two proven Democrat tax cheats, Tim Geithner
> (sp?) and Tom Daschle, didn't get completely off the hook until The
> Messiah appointed them to his cabinet. BTW, does it strike any one else
> as ironic that The Messiah appointed a proven tax cheat to head up the
> IRS? Or that Democrat Charlie Rangle, who writes the tax policy, is a
> proven, repeat tax cheat? It used to be that if a politician was proven
> to be a repeat tax cheater, his or her career, was over. Well not under
> The Messiah's reign. Now that is change you can believe in.

Remember the Devil's Dictionary? It had humorous definitions like: "Love --
A form of temporary insanity curable by marriage." Now a new entry is
needed: "Tax fraud -- An oversight or simple mistake commonly made by
Presidential cabinet appointees."

tvp

Date: 03 Feb 2009 10:00:52
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

"Tad Perry"

> Remember the Devil's Dictionary? It had humorous definitions like:
> "Love -- A form of temporary insanity curable by marriage." Now a new
> entry is needed: "Tax fraud -- An oversight or simple mistake commonly
> made by Presidential cabinet appointees."

This is an interesting developing story. There are more government critters
that have been shown as making this sort of oversight ... the persons,
however, are not part of the Bush administration (this time) ... they are
now paying their back taxes, but they are NOT being charged with "penalties"
... this is significant.

You or I would be paying penalties for such "mistakes." Why not them?

It would be nice if the President would announce that all new incoming
members of his administration would be audited before anyone else ... but
then, if the only penalty would be to pay the taxes uncovered without
penalty, then that would not work either. But it would "sound good."

Our new president did not run his campaign on a "business as usual" set of
promises.

The first few days of the new administration seems to be SSDD ... we won and
we now get to do all the things that we said we were going to "change."

The only change, so far, is the name of the recipients of government
largess; otherwise, politics as usual. Is this what we were promised?

We only thought the Bush administration was selling us down the sewer ...
this new group has improved the system already.

I had a lot of hope for the new President. I did not really think it would
be this bad this quickly ... I admit I am being proven wrong.

Where are the RGP troops that deplore this sort of thing?

Where is the media on these continuing shams?

Or do they only deplore it when it is Bush that is the perp?

Seems that way.

Date: 03 Feb 2009 11:19:27
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats

"da pickle" <jcpickels@NOSPAMhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:4J-dnVVSN8Xi9BXUnZ2dnUVZ_oTinZ2d@giganews.com...
> "Tad Perry"
>
>> Remember the Devil's Dictionary? It had humorous definitions like:
>> "Love -- A form of temporary insanity curable by marriage." Now a new
>> entry is needed: "Tax fraud -- An oversight or simple mistake commonly
>> made by Presidential cabinet appointees."
>
> This is an interesting developing story. There are more government
> critters that have been shown as making this sort of oversight ... the
> persons, however, are not part of the Bush administration (this time) ...
> they are now paying their back taxes, but they are NOT being charged with
> "penalties" ... this is significant.
>
> You or I would be paying penalties for such "mistakes." Why not them?
>
> It would be nice if the President would announce that all new incoming
> members of his administration would be audited before anyone else ... but
> then, if the only penalty would be to pay the taxes uncovered without
> penalty, then that would not work either. But it would "sound good."
>
> Our new president did not run his campaign on a "business as usual" set of
> promises.
>
> The first few days of the new administration seems to be SSDD ... we won
> and we now get to do all the things that we said we were going to
> "change."
>
> The only change, so far, is the name of the recipients of government
> largess; otherwise, politics as usual. Is this what we were promised?
>
> We only thought the Bush administration was selling us down the sewer ...
> this new group has improved the system already.
>
> I had a lot of hope for the new President. I did not really think it
> would be this bad this quickly ... I admit I am being proven wrong.
>
> Where are the RGP troops that deplore this sort of thing?

They're still there, it's just that their heads are so deep in The Messiah's
kool aid bucket that you can't hear them.
>
> Where is the media on these continuing shams?

Now you've got to be kidding pickle. These guys were totally in the tank
for The Messiah through out his campaign. Do you think they're going to
start criticizing him now and make themselves look like complete idiots?
Not a snow ball's chance in hell will the mainstream liberal media speak out
against the guy they worked so hard to put in the white house.
>
> Or do they only deplore it when it is Bush that is the perp?

You are talking about frothing-at-the-mouth, hate mongers suffering from
severe Bush Derangement Syndrome. Look at Democrat John Conyers - he want's
to charge Bush as a criminal even though there is no legal basis for it and
70+% of the American people don't want it and think it would damage the
country. Of course if Conyers is so hot to bring criminal charges, he might
start with his wife who is being investigated for corruption. Look at the,
old time Washington insiders, tax cheats, crooks (Bill Richardson) and
pro-terrorist apologists (Eric Holder) Obama picked for his cabinet. Look
at the disgraceful, pork barrel, welfare, entitlement spending, social
engineering bill Obama is trying to force on the American people, disguised
as a stimulus bill. There is no "change" here. This is just corrupt,
partisan, politics as usual. Obama is proving to be even worse than I
thought he'd be.

Irish Mike

Date: 02 Feb 2009 20:09:38
From: Tad Perry
Subject: Re: Proven legal strategy for Tax Cheats