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Date: 10 Jan 2009 16:15:04
From:
Subject: Pool cues?
So, I have the pool table all set up and a few decent house cues, but
I am looking to go out an spring for a decent stick. My dad (who uses
an old Viking butt with a Predator shaft) tells me that the butt is
mainly for style points, but the shaft is where I shouldn't skimp -
but my dad never played professional or high-stakes pool. What say
the pool experts on RGP in regards to what cue they like the best?

Croupe




 
Date: 17 Jan 2009 12:23:26
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
cccroupe@gmail.com wrote:
> So, I have the pool table all set up and a few decent house cues, but
> I am looking to go out an spring for a decent stick. My dad (who uses
> an old Viking butt with a Predator shaft) tells me that the butt is
> mainly for style points, but the shaft is where I shouldn't skimp -
> but my dad never played professional or high-stakes pool. What say
> the pool experts on RGP in regards to what cue they like the best?
>
> Croupe

You can make the most money playing with a house cue. The uglier, the
better.

--
Kenneth Sloan KennethRSloan@gmail.com
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/


 
Date: 12 Jan 2009 09:33:45
From:
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12, 10:16=A0am, "John_Brian_K" <a7ec...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> > So, I have the pool table all set up and a few decent house cues, but
> > I am looking to go out an spring for a decent stick. =A0My dad (who use=
s
> > an old Viking butt with a Predator shaft) tells me that the butt is
> > mainly for style points, but the shaft is where I shouldn't skimp -
> > but my dad never played professional or high-stakes pool. =A0What say
> > the pool experts on RGP in regards to what cue they like the best?
>
> > Croupe
>
> Are you looking to replace the house cues for everyone to use or just buy
> one nice stick for you to use?
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will =A0I =A0consider you =A0necessarily wise =A0because you are =A0g=
rave.
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> BOOM byae
> John
>
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I could go either way. I have a set of OK house cues so I was realy
looking to get one nice one for me and maybe one other nice one if the
father in law comes by.

Croupe


  
Date: 12 Jan 2009 09:57:35
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
> I could go either way. I have a set of OK house cues so I was realy
> looking to get one nice one for me and maybe one other nice one if the
> father in law comes by.
>
> Croupe

For you I would suggest:

http://www.meuccicues.com/econo.htm

Replacing all of them I would suggest:

http://www.billiardsauthority.com/pool-cues/players/playerssneakypetepoolcuespspc.cfm?source=gbase&gbid=Players_Sneaky_Pete_Pool_Cue___S_PSPC

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 13:20:34
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:57:35 -0800, "John_Brian_K" <a7ecb57@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:

>For you I would suggest:
>
>http://www.meuccicues.com/econo.htm

Of course, Meucci has long been notorious for having more deflection than any
other cue. Many people stopped considering them at all when buying cues. So it's
interesting to see them now touting their new low-deflection shaft.

But I haven't heard testimony or seen test results for that shaft, particularly
comparing it to Predator, Tiger X, etc. Have you?

-- Larry


 
Date: 12 Jan 2009 08:16:10
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
> So, I have the pool table all set up and a few decent house cues, but
> I am looking to go out an spring for a decent stick. My dad (who uses
> an old Viking butt with a Predator shaft) tells me that the butt is
> mainly for style points, but the shaft is where I shouldn't skimp -
> but my dad never played professional or high-stakes pool. What say
> the pool experts on RGP in regards to what cue they like the best?
>
> Croupe

Are you looking to replace the house cues for everyone to use or just buy
one nice stick for you to use?

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nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
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Date: 12 Jan 2009 05:50:55
From: StinkFist
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12, 7:53=A0am, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 12 2009 12:30 AM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:24:23 -0800, "Will_gamble"
> > <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> > >I misspent most of my life in a pool hall, mostly using a house stick =
off
> > >the wall. =A0I have played with some really good players including one=
that
> > >defeated Efren Reyes for the US 9 ball championship. =A0I have played =
Buddy
> > >hall also. =A0I could play better than probably 98% of the population =
IMHO
> > >when still playing regularly. =A0
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Pierce
>
> > >I have always been aware that the cue ball travels in a slight arc or
> > >curve when struck with english, but it is not significant enough that =
you
> > >would have to consciously allow for it. =A0
>
> > You can't be serious. You didn't allow for deflection? Did you ever
> > make a shot when you used english?
>
> The compensation for deflection is something that is done subconsciously
> during every shot after say your 2nd million shots
>
>
>
> > I've played Buddy Hall too, but I didn't beat him, and I'm real sure
> > you didn't either.
>
> I have played Nick Varner , Bill Stiegel, Keith mcCready (lost 3000 to hi=
m
> at the RumRunner in Vegas ), Babe Cranfield , played poker with the
> Janscos (who created the Johnston City Shootout )
>
> I actually beat Bill Steigel =A0and broke even with varner (was getting s=
ome
> serious weight)

LOL!



  
Date: 12 Jan 2009 06:44:23
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 7:50 AM, StinkFist wrote:

> On Jan 12, 7:53 am, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > On Jan 12 2009 12:30 AM, Bill Vanek wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:24:23 -0800, "Will_gamble"
> > > <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > >I misspent most of my life in a pool hall, mostly using a house stick
off
> > > >the wall.  I have played with some really good players including one
that
> > > >defeated Efren Reyes for the US 9 ball championship.  I have played
Buddy
> > > >hall also.  I could play better than probably 98% of the population IMHO
> > > >when still playing regularly.  
> >
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Pierce
> >
> > > >I have always been aware that the cue ball travels in a slight arc or
> > > >curve when struck with english, but it is not significant enough that
you
> > > >would have to consciously allow for it.  
> >
> > > You can't be serious. You didn't allow for deflection? Did you ever
> > > make a shot when you used english?
> >
> > The compensation for deflection is something that is done subconsciously
> > during every shot after say your 2nd million shots
> >
> >
> >
> > > I've played Buddy Hall too, but I didn't beat him, and I'm real sure
> > > you didn't either.
> >
> > I have played Nick Varner , Bill Stiegel, Keith mcCready (lost 3000 to him
> > at the RumRunner in Vegas ), Babe Cranfield , played poker with the
> > Janscos (who created the Johnston City Shootout )
> >
> > I actually beat Bill Steigel  and broke even with varner (was getting some
> > serious weight)
>
> LOL!

Don't forget the WSOP cashes and the nose job he has to have done every
week to keep it from growing so large he can't get in his car.
(Lamborghini)

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Date: 11 Jan 2009 15:59:40
From: StinkFist
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 11, 10:31=A0am, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 11 2009 1:01 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 11 2009 12:55 AM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > > No.. because you dont know that much . Once anyone who isnt a top lev=
el
> > > pro spends more than 100-125 , they get no more "quality" if they spe=
nd
> > > 1200. They get more linen wrap , and better inlays , and more color ,=
but
> > > they get absolutely no more solid cue or better quality piece of equi=
pment
> > > to strike the ball.
>
> > > i can find an old Palmer cue , sold for under 100 dollars and hit wit=
h
> > > outperform any of these "window shop" 1200 dollar pieces of shit they=
sell
> > > to morons like you !!
>
> > Well doggy my good friend, do you think that it's at all possible that
> > prices of pool cues have gone up just a bit from 30 years ago when you
> > last got out of your wheelchair and played?
>
> > You also are showing your true ignorance here. =A0The predator shafts a=
lone
> > go for over $250, and they are very popular.
>
> > That's ok, I accept your apology.
>
> yes .. they are popular among TVPM's (tv pool morons) =A0who dont know wh=
at
> they are talking about
>
> people have been running rack for 100 years prior to the invention of the
> Predator . And as far as your description of effects of a cue on the cue
> ball... NO SHIT ??
>
> I was "using" English before you could 'speak" it !!

Another thing he's great at!


 
Date: 10 Jan 2009 20:40:57
From: hanks
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 10 2009 4:15 PM, cccroupe wrote:

> So, I have the pool table all set up and a few decent house cues, but
> I am looking to go out an spring for a decent stick. My dad (who uses
> an old Viking butt with a Predator shaft) tells me that the butt is
> mainly for style points, but the shaft is where I shouldn't skimp -
> but my dad never played professional or high-stakes pool. What say
> the pool experts on RGP in regards to what cue they like the best?
>
> Croupe

A Predator shaft is great for up and comers since it provides a natural
deflection however if you have never played with a Predator it will be
like learning all over again.
If you want a great all around cue you should look at a Shon.
If you want a nice cue for less you should look at the Cue Tec line.
If you want a great deal contact Rick at pooltables2U.com.
Best of luck and happy hunting.
hanks

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Date: 10 Jan 2009 20:50:54
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
"hanks" <hanks43@aol.com > wrote in message
news:pr9o36x0fh.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 10 2009 4:15 PM, cccroupe wrote:
>
>> So, I have the pool table all set up and a few decent house cues, but
>> I am looking to go out an spring for a decent stick. My dad (who uses
>> an old Viking butt with a Predator shaft) tells me that the butt is
>> mainly for style points, but the shaft is where I shouldn't skimp -
>> but my dad never played professional or high-stakes pool. What say
>> the pool experts on RGP in regards to what cue they like the best?
>>
>> Croupe
>
> A Predator shaft is great for up and comers since it provides a natural
> deflection however if you have never played with a Predator it will be
> like learning all over again.

Care to go into why for a bit?

Jim




   
Date: 10 Jan 2009 21:39:08
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 10 2009 10:50 PM, Clave wrote:

> > A Predator shaft is great for up and comers since it provides a natural
> > deflection however if you have never played with a Predator it will be
> > like learning all over again.
>
> Care to go into why for a bit?

I don't know if you're trolling or not, but there's a good chance hanks
couldn't put together anything that makes sense about this, so I'll throw
in my 2 cents.

The Predator shaft reduces deflection (also known as squirt) by up to like
50%. Squirt is best defined as what happens to the cue ball when you put
english on it. For example, if you put left english on a shot, the
cueball naturally moves (deflects/squirts) to the right. In other words,
you have to aim that much further off to compensate for the natural
movement of the cue ball. Since the Predator shaft is built in a way
where it lowers deflection so much, you have to basically re-learn how to
aim if you want to play with it.

---
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 10:09:03
From: hanks
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 10 2009 9:39 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 10 2009 10:50 PM, Clave wrote:
>
> > > A Predator shaft is great for up and comers since it provides a natural
> > > deflection however if you have never played with a Predator it will be
> > > like learning all over again.
> >
> > Care to go into why for a bit?
>
> I don't know if you're trolling or not, but there's a good chance hanks
> couldn't put together anything that makes sense about this, so I'll throw
> in my 2 cents.
>
> The Predator shaft reduces deflection (also known as squirt) by up to like
> 50%. Squirt is best defined as what happens to the cue ball when you put
> english on it. For example, if you put left english on a shot, the
> cueball naturally moves (deflects/squirts) to the right. In other words,
> you have to aim that much further off to compensate for the natural
> movement of the cue ball. Since the Predator shaft is built in a way
> where it lowers deflection so much, you have to basically re-learn how to
> aim if you want to play with it.
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> "You...are just as funny...as Popinjay is" --Will in New Haven

Thanks Morph, I couldn't have explained it as well!!!
hanks

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Date: 11 Jan 2009 14:24:23
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 10 2009 11:39 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 10 2009 10:50 PM, Clave wrote:
>
> > > A Predator shaft is great for up and comers since it provides a natural
> > > deflection however if you have never played with a Predator it will be
> > > like learning all over again.
> >
> > Care to go into why for a bit?
>
> I don't know if you're trolling or not, but there's a good chance hanks
> couldn't put together anything that makes sense about this, so I'll throw
> in my 2 cents.
>
> The Predator shaft reduces deflection (also known as squirt) by up to like
> 50%. Squirt is best defined as what happens to the cue ball when you put
> english on it. For example, if you put left english on a shot, the
> cueball naturally moves (deflects/squirts) to the right. In other words,
> you have to aim that much further off to compensate for the natural
> movement of the cue ball. Since the Predator shaft is built in a way
> where it lowers deflection so much, you have to basically re-learn how to
> aim if you want to play with it.
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> "You...are just as funny...as Popinjay is" --Will in New Haven

I misspent most of my life in a pool hall, mostly using a house stick off
the wall. I have played with some really good players including one that
defeated Efren Reyes for the US 9 ball championship. I have played Buddy
hall also. I could play better than probably 98% of the population IMHO
when still playing regularly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Pierce

I have always been aware that the cue ball travels in a slight arc or
curve when struck with english, but it is not significant enough that you
would have to consciously allow for it. You are much more aware of the
throw the cue ball english imparts on the object ball than squirt.

If you reduce squirt by 50%, how much could it be to begin with?

I personally think it is more about marketing than anything else. I think
the guy that beats you with a Predator will also beat you with a house
stick.

Another thing that comes to mind is the comparison of braided to mono
filament line. One has stretch and the other very little, but neither
catch fish, the fisherman does.



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Date: 12 Jan 2009 16:08:57
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Date: Sun, Jan 11, 2009, 2:24pm
From: Will_gamble <a1794@webnntp.invalid >


On Jan 10 2009 11:39 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

On Jan 10 2009 10:50 PM, Clave wrote:

A Predator shaft is great for up and comers since it provides a natural
deflection however if you have never played with a Predator it will be
like learning all over again.

Care to go into why for a bit?

I don't know if you're trolling or not, but there's a good chance hanks
couldn't put together anything that makes sense about this, so I'll
throw in my 2 cents.
The Predator shaft reduces deflection (also known as squirt) by up to
like 50%. Squirt is best defined as what happens to the cue ball when
you put english on it. For example, if you put left english on a shot,
the cueball naturally moves (deflects/squirts) to the right. In other
words, you have to aim that much further off to compensate for the
natural movement of the cue ball. Since the Predator shaft is built in a
way where it lowers deflection so much, you have to basically re-learn
how to aim if you want to play with it.

---
Morphy
xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
"You...are just as funny...as Popinjay is" --Will in New Haven


I misspent most of my life in a pool hall, mostly using a house stick
off the wall. I have played with some really good players including one
that defeated Efren Reyes for the US 9 ball championship. I have played
Buddy hall also. I could play better than probably 98% of the population
IMHO when still playing regularly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Pierce

I have always been aware that the cue ball travels in a slight arc or
curve when struck with english, but it is not significant enough that
you would have to consciously allow for it. You are much more aware of
the throw the cue ball english imparts on the object ball than squirt.

If you reduce squirt by 50%, how much could it be to begin with?

I personally think it is more about marketing than anything else. I
think the guy that beats you with a Predator will also beat you with a
house stick.

Another thing that comes to mind is the comparison of braided to mono
filament line. One has stretch and the other very little, but neither
catch fish, the fisherman does.



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Good Post Will. You're obviously the only one on this thread who knows
what he's talking about. I'm sure, like Clave, others Googled their
superficial info.

Most players just took a cue off the rack. As long as it was a decent,
straight cue that "felt good" that's all a good player needs in a pool
cue. Maybe take one in back and sand the grim off it, but that's about
it.

Like you say, it's all about the player. It's not like hockey where you
need top of the line skates for best performance.

I also agree that this "squirt" business is just made-up marketing pitch
to sell a product.



      
Date: 12 Jan 2009 23:18:39
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:08:57 -0800, nine510@webtv.net (Travel A) wrote:

>>I think the guy that beats you with a Predator will also beat you with a
>>house stick.

At least there's one true statement in this thread.

>I also agree that this "squirt" business is just made-up marketing pitch
>to sell a product.

Yeah, well, that's what you'd expect a webtv guy to say. 8;)

But if anyone else wants to know what's really happening,
http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/BD_articles.html (Bob Jewett who writes for
Billiards Digest) and http://www.engr.colostate.edu/~dga/pool/ (Dr. Dave) are
the people who know what they're talking about. Or catch Ron Shepard's
contributions in either RSB or AZB.

As to cues, sure they're just sticks. But it has been shown conclusively that
everything at the business end -- the tip itself, the ferrule, and the business
end of the shaft -- greatly affects the shot.

Many players believe that the joint has a significant effect on energy transfer.

And most players are quite sensitive to the overall weight, weight distribution,
length, and grip diameter of the cue.

The whole proposition is similar to other equipment-critical sports, such as
tennis (frame weight, rigidity, grip size, various string properties, string
tension).

It's natural that people become enamored with cues -- and yes, some of it is
their beauty. From low end collections, like mine http://www.xhost.org/cues/, to
the upper strata, like
http://www.3cushion.com/On%20Line%20Collection/Tools%20of%20the%20Game.htm.

Beats the hell out of collecting card guards, IMO...

-- Larry


       
Date: 13 Jan 2009 06:39:28
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 10:18 PM, pltrgyst wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:08:57 -0800, nine510@webtv.net (Travel A) wrote:
>
> >>I think the guy that beats you with a Predator will also beat you with a
> >>house stick.
>
> At least there's one true statement in this thread.
>
> >I also agree that this "squirt" business is just made-up marketing pitch
> >to sell a product.
>
> Yeah, well, that's what you'd expect a webtv guy to say. 8;)
>
> But if anyone else wants to know what's really happening,
> http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/BD_articles.html (Bob Jewett who writes
for
> Billiards Digest) and http://www.engr.colostate.edu/~dga/pool/ (Dr. Dave) are
> the people who know what they're talking about. Or catch Ron Shepard's
> contributions in either RSB or AZB.
>
> As to cues, sure they're just sticks. But it has been shown conclusively that
> everything at the business end -- the tip itself, the ferrule, and the
business
> end of the shaft -- greatly affects the shot.
>
> Many players believe that the joint has a significant effect on energy
transfer.
>
> And most players are quite sensitive to the overall weight, weight
distribution,
> length, and grip diameter of the cue.
>
> The whole proposition is similar to other equipment-critical sports, such as
> tennis (frame weight, rigidity, grip size, various string properties, string
> tension).
>
> It's natural that people become enamored with cues -- and yes, some of it is
> their beauty. From low end collections, like mine
http://www.xhost.org/cues/, to
> the upper strata, like
> http://www.3cushion.com/On%20Line%20Collection/Tools%20of%20the%20Game.htm.
>
> Beats the hell out of collecting card guards, IMO...
>
> -- Larry

Yes squirt happens, but it is overrated IMHO. I can name several things
to consider in a given shot that are probably more important. Throw being
number one always. You can strike an object ball in the same place with
different amounts of english and move it's destination probably 2" over
the length of a table. Maybe more as I have not really tried to see. The
amount of english will also affect the behavior of the cue ball and should
be more important than squirt.

Two other things that make squirt a relative non issue are that the
pockets are generally almost two balls wide leaving ample room for small
error and also the prevailing use of bottom english for control.

When Reed beat Efren in 95 he was sponsored by Mucci and played with their
equipment. Since then Mucci had a reputation for having an excessive
amount of squirt according to someone in this thread. Go figure. It is a
wonder he ever made a ball, much less beat the greatest of all time 11-6.

Squirt is relative to the amount of english or how far toward the edge of
the cue ball it is struck. Most good players have no need to use extreme
english because they stay 'in line' or with position for their current
shot and are prepared for at least the next two. When extreme english is
used, deflection is a consideration, but I doubt you could calculate the
difference between a Pedator and a Mucci on a shot.

There are so many variables to be aware of in pool other than squirt, but
squirt is the only factor that can be marketed in cue construction. I
would be more concerned with the quality of the tip than the shaft. Back
in the day I played mostly golf on a 5' x 10' snooker table and we used
extra long house cues that had been stroked with steel wool until the
shafts looked like an hour glass. It never seemed to matter.

Bob Jewett is a well respected WRITER.

If I owned a pool table I would by a half dozen Sneaky Pete's for various
weights for my guests and what ever two piece cue for myself that met my
budget and felt good to me. I promise I wouldn't spend more than $200 on
a cue and would feel funny about that.


drill 2

Put a ball on each rail and start where ever you like, but play them in a
clockwise or counterclockwise order. Bet you can't make all 6 without
getting out of line.

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Date: 14 Jan 2009 18:45:58
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
> >
> > -- Larry
>
> Yes squirt happens, but it is overrated IMHO. I can name several things
> to consider in a given shot that are probably more important. Throw being
> number one always. You can strike an object ball in the same place with
> different amounts of english and move it's destination probably 2" over
> the length of a table. Maybe more as I have not really tried to see.

Correct here , and I believe with practice one could throw a ball more
than 2 "


The
> amount of english will also affect the behavior of the cue ball and should
> be more important than squirt.

100pct correct
>
> Two other things that make squirt a relative non issue are that the
> pockets are generally almost two balls wide leaving ample room for small
> error and also the prevailing use of bottom english for control.

I disagree with this one . Bottom english doesnt "give' more control.. it
is just the most commonly used english and people are more proficient with
it . Using draw english can actually ADD to a lack of control, rather keep
it under control
>
> When Reed beat Efren in 95 he was sponsored by Mucci and played with their
> equipment. Since then Mucci had a reputation for having an excessive
> amount of squirt according to someone in this thread. Go figure. It is a
> wonder he ever made a ball, much less beat the greatest of all time 11-6.
>
> Squirt is relative to the amount of english or how far toward the edge of
> the cue ball it is struck. Most good players have no need to use extreme
> english because they stay 'in line' or with position for their current
> shot and are prepared for at least the next two. When extreme english is
> used, deflection is a consideration, but I doubt you could calculate the
> difference between a Pedator and a Mucci on a shot.

When I had to really "juice' a ball with english I simply put my bridge
(hand) closer to cue ball , and I was actually "controlling' the squirt
before I ever knew it existed . Actually I knew it mattered but never knew
what it was called
>
> There are so many variables to be aware of in pool other than squirt, but
> squirt is the only factor that can be marketed in cue construction. I
> would be more concerned with the quality of the tip than the shaft. Back
> in the day I played mostly golf on a 5' x 10' snooker table and we used
> extra long house cues that had been stroked with steel wool until the
> shafts looked like an hour glass. It never seemed to matter.
>
> Bob Jewett is a well respected WRITER.
>
> If I owned a pool table I would by a half dozen Sneaky Pete's for various
> weights for my guests and what ever two piece cue for myself that met my
> budget and felt good to me. I promise I wouldn't spend more than $200 on
> a cue and would feel funny about that.
>
>
> drill 2
>
> Put a ball on each rail and start where ever you like, but play them in a
> clockwise or counterclockwise order. Bet you can't make all 6 without
> getting out of line.
>
> Cheers

here is a good one to try on a Brunswick 4.5 x 9.0 Gold Crown . Put 2
balls against the rail by the diamond closest to the side pocket (at head
end of table).freeze them to each other and to the rail .. now remove ball
against the rail and leave other ball where it is .

Now place the cue ball on the spot where the balls are racked .object ball
should be between cue ball and side pocket . Now with lower left hand draw
english .. bank the ball into the opposite side pocket with out double
kissing ..

This is a "stroke" practice . Most people can not make this shot . Those
with good "strokes" will make it . Snap drawing the cue ball will result
in making the shot and leaving the cue almost unmoved after it strikes the
object ball

One hint .. the easier and smoother you shoot it ,,the better !!


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Date: 14 Jan 2009 20:11:37
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 14 2009 8:45 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> I disagree with this one . Bottom english doesnt "give' more control.. it
> is just the most commonly used english and people are more proficient with
> it . Using draw english can actually ADD to a lack of control, rather keep
> it under control

"draw english". That's rich. Thanks for that. Laughter helps fight the
cold.

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Date: 13 Jan 2009 23:03:33
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:39:28 -0800, "Will_gamble" <a1794@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>On Jan 12 2009 10:18 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
>
>Yes squirt happens, but it is overrated IMHO. I can name several things
>to consider in a given shot that are probably more important. Throw being
>number one always.

Oh, I would agree -- except for very thin, long cut shots.

The problem in dealing with throw is that it is proportional to how dirty the
balls are. Thus the only way to deal with it effectively is to clean the balls
regularly before you play, since very few pool halls keep ever clean their
equipment.

>.... I would be more concerned with the quality of the tip than the shaft....

Also agreed.

>Bob Jewett is a well respected WRITER.

Bob Jewett is a [phD] physicist by profession.

>If I owned a pool table I would by a half dozen Sneaky Pete's for various
>weights for my guests and what ever two piece cue for myself that met my
>budget and felt good to me. I promise I wouldn't spend more than $200 on
>a cue and would feel funny about that.

Yeah. My favorite cue is still the low-end Palmer that I bought new in 1975.

-- Larry


         
Date: 14 Jan 2009 18:49:56
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 13 2009 10:03 PM, pltrgyst wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:39:28 -0800, "Will_gamble" <a1794@webnntp.invalid>
wrote:
>
> >On Jan 12 2009 10:18 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
> >
> >Yes squirt happens, but it is overrated IMHO. I can name several things
> >to consider in a given shot that are probably more important. Throw being
> >number one always.
>
> Oh, I would agree -- except for very thin, long cut shots.
>
> The problem in dealing with throw is that it is proportional to how dirty the
> balls are. Thus the only way to deal with it effectively is to clean the
balls
> regularly before you play, since very few pool halls keep ever clean their
> equipment.
>
> >.... I would be more concerned with the quality of the tip than the
shaft....
>
> Also agreed.
>
> >Bob Jewett is a well respected WRITER.
>
> Bob Jewett is a [phD] physicist by profession.
>
> >If I owned a pool table I would by a half dozen Sneaky Pete's for various
> >weights for my guests and what ever two piece cue for myself that met my
> >budget and felt good to me. I promise I wouldn't spend more than $200 on
> >a cue and would feel funny about that.
>
> Yeah. My favorite cue is still the low-end Palmer that I bought new in 1975.
>
> -- Larry

A 50-75 dollar Palmer (70's) prices was just as good as any 400 "fluffy'
Adams or any of the "fruity" designer crap that was out there . I heard
that Palmer basically used the same "joint" in every one of their cues ,
no matter what price . I have had several of them and broke with them ,
and I have a break that hits the balls as hard as anyone I have ever seen .

They were the John Deere "workhorse " of the industry. Let me know if you
ever want to sell it .


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Date: 15 Jan 2009 01:36:49
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:49:56 -0800, "FangBanger" <a29bed1@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:

>> My favorite cue is still the low-end Palmer that I bought new in 1975.
>
>A 50-75 dollar Palmer (70's) prices was just as good as any 400 "fluffy'
>Adams or any of the "fruity" designer crap that was out there . I heard
>that Palmer basically used the same "joint" in every one of their cues ,
>no matter what price ....

Mine cost $125, with two shafts and a 1x2 Brunswick/Palmer leather case.

They used the same joint geometry, (5/16x18, IIRC) but offered it in either
brass or stainless steel.

*The* place for information about Palmers is www.palmercollector.com. My old
workhorse is a third catalog #1, in rosewood, with a blue wrap. Still straight
as an arrow.

-- Larry


       
Date: 12 Jan 2009 22:53:32
From: Travel A
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:08:57 -0800, nine510@webtv.net (Travel A) wrote:

I think the guy that beats you with a Predator will also beat you with a
house stick.

At least there's one true statement in this thread.

I also agree that this "squirt" business is just made-up marketing pitch
to sell a product.

Yeah, well, that's what you'd expect a webtv guy to say. 8;)
But if anyone else wants to know what's really happening,
http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/BD_articles.html (Bob Jewett who
writes for Billiards Digest) and
http://www.engr.colostate.edu/~dga/pool/ (Dr. Dave) are the people who
know what they're talking about. Or catch Ron Shepard's contributions in
either RSB or AZB.

As to cues, sure they're just sticks. But it has been shown conclusively
that everything at the business end -- the tip itself, the ferrule, and
the business end of the shaft -- greatly affects the shot.

Many players believe that the joint has a significant effect on energy
transfer.

And most players are quite sensitive to the overall weight, weight
distribution, length, and grip diameter of the cue.

The whole proposition is similar to other equipment-critical sports,
such as tennis (frame weight, rigidity, grip size, various string
properties, string tension).

It's natural that people become enamored with cues -- and yes, some of
it is their beauty. From low end collections, like mine
http://www.xhost.org/cues/, to the upper strata, like
http://www.3cushion.com/On%20Line%20Collection/Tools%20of%20the%20Game.htm.

Beats the hell out of collecting card guards, IMO...

-- Larry
..................................................................................




Hey, uh, "Larry", you're a boring, babbling idiot. Go Google some more
web sites, moron.



        
Date: 13 Jan 2009 23:07:03
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:53:32 -0800, nine510@webtv.net (Travel A) wrote:

>Hey, uh, "Larry", you're a boring, babbling idiot.

That might be true.

> Go Google some more web sites, moron.

But what's also true is that I'm demonstrably one hell of a lot smarter than you
or your progeny will ever be. And I've been a regular on RSB since it began (and
before that, when alt.pool began).

And now you go where all webtv'ers go -- the kill file. {plonk}

-- Larry


         
Date: 14 Jan 2009 18:32:49
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 13 2009 10:07 PM, pltrgyst wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:53:32 -0800, nine510@webtv.net (Travel A) wrote:
>
> >Hey, uh, "Larry", you're a boring, babbling idiot.
>
> That might be true.
>
> > Go Google some more web sites, moron.
>
> But what's also true is that I'm demonstrably one hell of a lot smarter than
you
> or your progeny will ever be. And I've been a regular on RSB since it began
(and
> before that, when alt.pool began).
>
> And now you go where all webtv'ers go -- the kill file. {plonk}
>
> -- Larry

what part of the country are you from .. be as specific or general as you
feel comfortable with . Just curious if we know any of the same pool
players


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Date: 14 Jan 2009 00:06:37
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:53:32 -0800, nine510@webtv.net (Travel A) wrote:

Hey, uh, "Larry", you're a boring, babbling idiot.

That might be true.

Go Google some more web sites, moron.

But what's also true is that I'm demonstrably one hell of a lot smarter
than you or your progeny will ever be. And I've been a regular on RSB
since it began (and before that, when alt.pool began).
And now you go where all webtv'ers go -- the kill file. {plonk}

-- Larry
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Thanks,
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Date: 14 Jan 2009 00:06:11
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:53:32 -0800, nine510@webtv.net (Travel A) wrote:

Hey, uh, "Larry", you're a boring, babbling idiot.

That might be true.

Go Google some more web sites, moron.

But what's also true is that I'm demonstrably one hell of a lot smarter
than you or your progeny will ever be. And I've been a regular on RSB
since it began (and before that, when alt.pool began).
And now you go where all webtv'ers go -- the kill file. {plonk}

-- Larry
...........................................................................................

Thanks,
make sure that you keep your promise.



     
Date: 11 Jan 2009 22:30:12
From: Bill Vanek
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:24:23 -0800, "Will_gamble"
<a1794@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>I misspent most of my life in a pool hall, mostly using a house stick off
>the wall. I have played with some really good players including one that
>defeated Efren Reyes for the US 9 ball championship. I have played Buddy
>hall also. I could play better than probably 98% of the population IMHO
>when still playing regularly.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Pierce
>
>I have always been aware that the cue ball travels in a slight arc or
>curve when struck with english, but it is not significant enough that you
>would have to consciously allow for it.

You can't be serious. You didn't allow for deflection? Did you ever
make a shot when you used english?

I've played Buddy Hall too, but I didn't beat him, and I'm real sure
you didn't either.


      
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:24:23 -0800, "Will_gamble"
<a1794@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

I misspent most of my life in a pool hall, mostly using a house stick
off the wall. I have played with some really good players including one
that defeated Efren Reyes for the US 9 ball championship. I have played
Buddy hall also. I could play better than probably 98% of the population
IMHO when still playing regularly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Pierce

I have always been aware that the cue ball travels in a slight arc or
curve when struck with english, but it is not significant enough that
you would have to consciously allow for it.


You can't be serious. You didn't allow for deflection? Did you ever make
a shot when you used english?
I've played Buddy Hall too, but I didn't beat him, and I'm real sure you
didn't either.
............................................................................


Vanek, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Will Gamble
meant that you do this automatically; in the same way that one keeps one
foot out of the way of the other foot when they're walking.

We can all rest assured that you've never played anyone any more famous
than yourself at pocket pool.



       
Date: 13 Jan 2009 06:38:59
From: Bill Vanek
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:31:21 -0800, nine510@webtv.net (Travel A)
wrote:

>We can all rest assured that you've never played anyone any more famous
>than yourself at pocket pool.

And this would be based on what? My name here is as real as yours.



        
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:31:21 -0800, nine510@webtv.net (Travel A) wrote:

We can all rest assured that you've never played anyone any more famous
than yourself at pocket pool.

And this would be based on what? My name here is as real as yours.
..........................................................

It's based on what you revealed about your pool savvy (lack of) in your
comments to Will Gamble.

Read Doggystyle's comments, above, about the zero difference it makes
using expensive pool cues and all the marketing crap about "deflection"
and "squirt", etc.



         
Date: 13 Jan 2009 18:59:06
From: Bill Vanek
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:16:34 -0800, nine510@webtv.net (Travel A)
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>On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:31:21 -0800, nine510@webtv.net (Travel A) wrote:
>
>We can all rest assured that you've never played anyone any more famous
>than yourself at pocket pool.
>
>And this would be based on what? My name here is as real as yours.
>..........................................................
>
>It's based on what you revealed about your pool savvy (lack of) in your
>comments to Will Gamble.
>
>Read Doggystyle's comments, above, about the zero difference it makes
>using expensive pool cues and all the marketing crap about "deflection"
>and "squirt", etc.

You're kind of boring.



          
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:16:34 -0800, nine510@webtv.net (Travel A) wrote:

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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:31:21 -0800, nine510@webtv.net (Travel A) wrote:

We can all rest assured that you've never played anyone any more famous
than yourself at pocket pool.

And this would be based on what? My name here is as real as yours.
.............................................

It's based on what you revealed about your pool savvy (lack of) in your
comments to Will Gamble.

Read Doggystyle's comments, above, about the zero difference it makes
using expensive pool cues and all the marketing crap about "deflection"
and "squirt", etc.


You're kind of boring.
................................................................................



Lol, that's pretty much the subject matter at hand: your unfounded
bragging and clueless criticisms of someone who actually does know what
he's talking about.



           
Date: 14 Jan 2009 18:31:20
From: FangBanger
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>
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:31:21 -0800, nine510@webtv.net (Travel A) wrote:
>
> We can all rest assured that you've never played anyone any more famous
> than yourself at pocket pool.
>
> And this would be based on what? My name here is as real as yours.
> ..............................................
>
> It's based on what you revealed about your pool savvy (lack of) in your
> comments to Will Gamble.
>
> Read Doggystyle's comments, above, about the zero difference it makes
> using expensive pool cues and all the marketing crap about "deflection"
> and "squirt", etc.
>
>
> You're kind of boring.
>
................................................................................
>
>
>
> Lol, that's pretty much the subject matter at hand: your unfounded
> bragging and clueless criticisms of someone who actually does know what
> he's talking about.

Travel .. this is twice you stuck up for me .. I am starting to get a warm
fuzzy feeling inside

thanks ...lol

psstt.. and you were right on both ocassions


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Date: 12 Jan 2009 09:03:43
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
> I've played Buddy Hall too, but I didn't beat him, and I'm real sure
> you didn't either.

I went out and played again this past weekend with the woman.

Showing off a little (not for any particular reason we are WAY past all
that) I hit a pretty nice shot I would like to describe for no particular
reason other than i hope to get applauded for making it.

Ok So the cue is close to the front left pocket on an 8' table. Not close
to where I have to top the shot, but just in that area.

I have 2 balls huggin the rail (insert laugh or joke here) at the opposite
end of the table and on the opposite rail. There is no way to try and
bank a shot my shapes are all screwed up. These are the last 2 balls I
have left. Of course she has a cluster of balls right in my line about a
foot or so from the cue. Pretty much right in the middle of the table.

I line it up, jack my stick in the air a little and shoot to the left of
her balls, curve around them, hit the object ball perfect which contacts
the called ball and hugs the rail for a few inches and drops!

Of course she wasn't really paying attention when I hit it and looked
around hoping someone noticed this bomb ass shot and of course noone did.

I guess that is why I am trying to showoff describing it here.

lol

alright Doggy time for you to say something like you were making shots
like that before I was in diapers or you can make that shot with your eyes
closed. etc.

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 16:01:41
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 12:03 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > I've played Buddy Hall too, but I didn't beat him, and I'm real sure
> > you didn't either.
>
> I went out and played again this past weekend with the woman.
>
> Showing off a little (not for any particular reason we are WAY past all
> that) I hit a pretty nice shot I would like to describe for no particular
> reason other than i hope to get applauded for making it.
>
> Ok So the cue is close to the front left pocket on an 8' table. Not close
> to where I have to top the shot, but just in that area.
>
> I have 2 balls huggin the rail (insert laugh or joke here) at the opposite
> end of the table and on the opposite rail. There is no way to try and
> bank a shot my shapes are all screwed up. These are the last 2 balls I
> have left. Of course she has a cluster of balls right in my line about a
> foot or so from the cue. Pretty much right in the middle of the table.
>
> I line it up, jack my stick in the air a little and shoot to the left of
> her balls, curve around them, hit the object ball perfect which contacts
> the called ball and hugs the rail for a few inches and drops!
>
> Of course she wasn't really paying attention when I hit it and looked
> around hoping someone noticed this bomb ass shot and of course noone did.
>
> I guess that is why I am trying to showoff describing it here.
>
> lol
>
> alright Doggy time for you to say something like you were making shots
> like that before I was in diapers or you can make that shot with your eyes
> closed. etc.
>
> ========================================
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> ========
> BOOM byae
> John

lol yeah one time I did a beauty masse shot for Tanya (same deal, trying
to show off), and when it dropped, her eyes nearly popped out of her head
lol.

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 21:48:06
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 6:01 PM, FellKnight wrote:

> On Jan 12 2009 12:03 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
>
> > > I've played Buddy Hall too, but I didn't beat him, and I'm real sure
> > > you didn't either.
> >
> > I went out and played again this past weekend with the woman.
> >
> > Showing off a little (not for any particular reason we are WAY past all
> > that) I hit a pretty nice shot I would like to describe for no particular
> > reason other than i hope to get applauded for making it.
> >
> > Ok So the cue is close to the front left pocket on an 8' table. Not close
> > to where I have to top the shot, but just in that area.
> >
> > I have 2 balls huggin the rail (insert laugh or joke here) at the opposite
> > end of the table and on the opposite rail. There is no way to try and
> > bank a shot my shapes are all screwed up. These are the last 2 balls I
> > have left. Of course she has a cluster of balls right in my line about a
> > foot or so from the cue. Pretty much right in the middle of the table.
> >
> > I line it up, jack my stick in the air a little and shoot to the left of
> > her balls, curve around them, hit the object ball perfect which contacts
> > the called ball and hugs the rail for a few inches and drops!
> >
> > Of course she wasn't really paying attention when I hit it and looked
> > around hoping someone noticed this bomb ass shot and of course noone did.
> >
> > I guess that is why I am trying to showoff describing it here.
> >
> > lol
> >
> > alright Doggy time for you to say something like you were making shots
> > like that before I was in diapers or you can make that shot with your eyes
> > closed. etc.
> >
> > ========================================
> > You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> > nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> > ========
> > BOOM byae
> > John
>
> lol yeah one time I did a beauty masse shot for Tanya (same deal, trying
> to show off), and when it dropped, her eyes nearly popped out of her head
> lol.
>
> Fell
> --
> Be Loud. Be Proud. Be Considerate!

did she give you a discount rate that evening ?


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Date: 13 Jan 2009 04:09:02
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 13 2009 12:48 AM, FangBanger wrote:

> On Jan 12 2009 6:01 PM, FellKnight wrote:
>
> > On Jan 12 2009 12:03 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> >
> > > > I've played Buddy Hall too, but I didn't beat him, and I'm real sure
> > > > you didn't either.
> > >
> > > I went out and played again this past weekend with the woman.
> > >
> > > Showing off a little (not for any particular reason we are WAY past all
> > > that) I hit a pretty nice shot I would like to describe for no
particular
> > > reason other than i hope to get applauded for making it.
> > >
> > > Ok So the cue is close to the front left pocket on an 8' table. Not
close
> > > to where I have to top the shot, but just in that area.
> > >
> > > I have 2 balls huggin the rail (insert laugh or joke here) at the
opposite
> > > end of the table and on the opposite rail. There is no way to try and
> > > bank a shot my shapes are all screwed up. These are the last 2 balls I
> > > have left. Of course she has a cluster of balls right in my line about a
> > > foot or so from the cue. Pretty much right in the middle of the table.
> > >
> > > I line it up, jack my stick in the air a little and shoot to the left of
> > > her balls, curve around them, hit the object ball perfect which contacts
> > > the called ball and hugs the rail for a few inches and drops!
> > >
> > > Of course she wasn't really paying attention when I hit it and looked
> > > around hoping someone noticed this bomb ass shot and of course noone did.
> > >
> > > I guess that is why I am trying to showoff describing it here.
> > >
> > > lol
> > >
> > > alright Doggy time for you to say something like you were making shots
> > > like that before I was in diapers or you can make that shot with your
eyes
> > > closed. etc.
> > >
> > > ========================================
> > > You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> > > nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> > > ========
> > > BOOM byae
> > > John
> >
> > lol yeah one time I did a beauty masse shot for Tanya (same deal, trying
> > to show off), and when it dropped, her eyes nearly popped out of her head
> > lol.
> >
> > Fell
> > --
> > Be Loud. Be Proud. Be Considerate!
>
> did she give you a discount rate that evening ?

Oh doggy... I know it may be hard for you to believe, but the rest of us
are not forced to pay for sexual favors.

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Date: 14 Jan 2009 18:28:05
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 13 2009 6:09 AM, FellKnight wrote:

> On Jan 13 2009 12:48 AM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > On Jan 12 2009 6:01 PM, FellKnight wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 12 2009 12:03 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> > >
> > > > > I've played Buddy Hall too, but I didn't beat him, and I'm real sure
> > > > > you didn't either.
> > > >
> > > > I went out and played again this past weekend with the woman.
> > > >
> > > > Showing off a little (not for any particular reason we are WAY past all
> > > > that) I hit a pretty nice shot I would like to describe for no
> particular
> > > > reason other than i hope to get applauded for making it.
> > > >
> > > > Ok So the cue is close to the front left pocket on an 8' table. Not
> close
> > > > to where I have to top the shot, but just in that area.
> > > >
> > > > I have 2 balls huggin the rail (insert laugh or joke here) at the
> opposite
> > > > end of the table and on the opposite rail. There is no way to try and
> > > > bank a shot my shapes are all screwed up. These are the last 2 balls I
> > > > have left. Of course she has a cluster of balls right in my line
about a
> > > > foot or so from the cue. Pretty much right in the middle of the table.
> > > >
> > > > I line it up, jack my stick in the air a little and shoot to the left
of
> > > > her balls, curve around them, hit the object ball perfect which
contacts
> > > > the called ball and hugs the rail for a few inches and drops!
> > > >
> > > > Of course she wasn't really paying attention when I hit it and looked
> > > > around hoping someone noticed this bomb ass shot and of course noone
did.
> > > >
> > > > I guess that is why I am trying to showoff describing it here.
> > > >
> > > > lol
> > > >
> > > > alright Doggy time for you to say something like you were making shots
> > > > like that before I was in diapers or you can make that shot with your
> eyes
> > > > closed. etc.
> > > >
> > > > ========================================
> > > > You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> > > > nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> > > > ========
> > > > BOOM byae
> > > > John
> > >
> > > lol yeah one time I did a beauty masse shot for Tanya (same deal, trying
> > > to show off), and when it dropped, her eyes nearly popped out of her head
> > > lol.
> > >
> > > Fell
> > > --
> > > Be Loud. Be Proud. Be Considerate!
> >
> > did she give you a discount rate that evening ?
>
> Oh doggy... I know it may be hard for you to believe, but the rest of us
> are not forced to pay for sexual favors.
>
> Fell
> --
> Be Loud. Be Proud. Be Considerate!

It was more a joke about your needing to pay for pussy , but I did
actually play a female dealer from California for "favors" . I told her if
she beat me one out of 2 games. I would do the "yodelling" , and if I beat
her twice , she would give me a Lewinski . I won the first game and she
shot the eight ball in , INTENTIONALLY with her first shot in the 2nd game
!! I got the hint !!

I TOOK IT AS A GOOD SIGN , AND WE WENT TO THE CAR !!


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Date: 14 Jan 2009 19:11:17
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 14 2009 9:28 PM, FangBanger wrote:


> It was more a joke about your needing to pay for pussy , but I did
> actually play a female dealer from California for "favors" . I told her if
> she beat me one out of 2 games. I would do the "yodelling" , and if I beat
> her twice , she would give me a Lewinski . I won the first game and she
> shot the eight ball in , INTENTIONALLY with her first shot in the 2nd game
> !! I got the hint !!
>
> I TOOK IT AS A GOOD SIGN , AND WE WENT TO THE CAR !!
>
>
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
> Voltaire

lol, your best post in your rgp history, well done.

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 14:33:29
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 11:03 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > I've played Buddy Hall too, but I didn't beat him, and I'm real sure
> > you didn't either.
>
> I went out and played again this past weekend with the woman.
>
> Showing off a little (not for any particular reason we are WAY past all
> that) I hit a pretty nice shot I would like to describe for no particular
> reason other than i hope to get applauded for making it.
>
> Ok So the cue is close to the front left pocket on an 8' table. Not close
> to where I have to top the shot, but just in that area.
>
> I have 2 balls huggin the rail (insert laugh or joke here) at the opposite
> end of the table and on the opposite rail. There is no way to try and
> bank a shot my shapes are all screwed up. These are the last 2 balls I
> have left. Of course she has a cluster of balls right in my line about a
> foot or so from the cue. Pretty much right in the middle of the table.
>
> I line it up, jack my stick in the air a little and shoot to the left of
> her balls, curve around them, hit the object ball perfect which contacts
> the called ball and hugs the rail for a few inches and drops!
>
> Of course she wasn't really paying attention when I hit it and looked
> around hoping someone noticed this bomb ass shot and of course noone did.
>
> I guess that is why I am trying to showoff describing it here.
>
> lol
>
> alright Doggy time for you to say something like you were making shots
> like that before I was in diapers or you can make that shot with your eyes
> closed. etc.

NOPE ..JUST GOING TO POINT OUT THAT IT CALLED A "MASSE" SHOT !!
>
> ========================================
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> ========
> BOOM byae
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Date: 12 Jan 2009 09:19:31
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 11:03 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> I went out and played again this past weekend with the woman.
>
> Showing off a little (not for any particular reason we are WAY past all
> that) I hit a pretty nice shot I would like to describe for no particular
> reason other than i hope to get applauded for making it.
>
> Ok So the cue is close to the front left pocket on an 8' table. Not close
> to where I have to top the shot, but just in that area.
>
> I have 2 balls huggin the rail (insert laugh or joke here) at the opposite
> end of the table and on the opposite rail. There is no way to try and
> bank a shot my shapes are all screwed up. These are the last 2 balls I
> have left. Of course she has a cluster of balls right in my line about a
> foot or so from the cue. Pretty much right in the middle of the table.
>
> I line it up, jack my stick in the air a little and shoot to the left of
> her balls, curve around them, hit the object ball perfect which contacts
> the called ball and hugs the rail for a few inches and drops!
>
> Of course she wasn't really paying attention when I hit it and looked
> around hoping someone noticed this bomb ass shot and of course noone did.
>
> I guess that is why I am trying to showoff describing it here.
>
> lol
>
> alright Doggy time for you to say something like you were making shots
> like that before I was in diapers or you can make that shot with your eyes
> closed. etc.
>

A simple skill challenge.

Put 6 balls in a "C" shaped semi circle around the side pocket. Start
with a ball on one end or the other and after hand placing the cue ball
where you want to start, make all six balls, one at the time, in the side
pocket without touching a rail.

When you can do this consistently you have very good cue ball control.

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 21:41:38
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 11:19 AM, Will_gamble wrote:

> On Jan 12 2009 11:03 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:
>
> > I went out and played again this past weekend with the woman.
> >
> > Showing off a little (not for any particular reason we are WAY past all
> > that) I hit a pretty nice shot I would like to describe for no particular
> > reason other than i hope to get applauded for making it.
> >
> > Ok So the cue is close to the front left pocket on an 8' table. Not close
> > to where I have to top the shot, but just in that area.
> >
> > I have 2 balls huggin the rail (insert laugh or joke here) at the opposite
> > end of the table and on the opposite rail. There is no way to try and
> > bank a shot my shapes are all screwed up. These are the last 2 balls I
> > have left. Of course she has a cluster of balls right in my line about a
> > foot or so from the cue. Pretty much right in the middle of the table.
> >
> > I line it up, jack my stick in the air a little and shoot to the left of
> > her balls, curve around them, hit the object ball perfect which contacts
> > the called ball and hugs the rail for a few inches and drops!
> >
> > Of course she wasn't really paying attention when I hit it and looked
> > around hoping someone noticed this bomb ass shot and of course noone did.
> >
> > I guess that is why I am trying to showoff describing it here.
> >
> > lol
> >
> > alright Doggy time for you to say something like you were making shots
> > like that before I was in diapers or you can make that shot with your eyes
> > closed. etc.
> >
>
> A simple skill challenge.
>
> Put 6 balls in a "C" shaped semi circle around the side pocket. Start
> with a ball on one end or the other and after hand placing the cue ball
> where you want to start, make all six balls, one at the time, in the side
> pocket without touching a rail.
>
> When you can do this consistently you have very good cue ball control.

gOOD EXERCISE .. BUT BY NO MEANS SIMPLE !!

The first 20-30 times are a bit tougher than the next 100-200 tries .


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Date: 12 Jan 2009 09:06:28
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 11:03 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> I line it up, jack my stick in the air a little and shoot to the left of
> her balls, curve around them, hit the object ball perfect which contacts
> the called ball and hugs the rail for a few inches and drops!
>
> Of course she wasn't really paying attention when I hit it and looked
> around hoping someone noticed this bomb ass shot and of course noone did.
>
> I guess that is why I am trying to showoff describing it here.

Masse shot (with one of those funny accent thingers on the e). Standard.
lol. Real question is who left you in the position to have to make that
shot? Did she miss her last shot and leave you there, or did you fail to
plan ahead and left yourself that shot?

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 09:13:45
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
> Masse shot (with one of those funny accent thingers on the e). Standard.
> lol. Real question is who left you in the position to have to make that
> shot? Did she miss her last shot and leave you there, or did you fail to
> plan ahead and left yourself that shot?

Ahhh yes the Masse' She did one of her whack the cue ball really hard and
try to get a lucky bounce (I let her play slop) shots.

I haven't used the word masse in sooo long.

I also missed a couple straight in shots from distance, but there is
nothing to brag about on THAT.

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 09:17:04
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 11:13 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> I also missed a couple straight in shots from distance, but there is
> nothing to brag about on THAT.

One of the harder shots in pool is place the cue ball in one corner,
object ball in the middle of the table, and shoot it in the far diagonal
corner. Line it up perfectly straight. It's a great shot to set up to
watch people flounder around all over themselves.

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 09:21:02
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
> One of the harder shots in pool is place the cue ball in one corner,
> object ball in the middle of the table, and shoot it in the far diagonal
> corner. Line it up perfectly straight. It's a great shot to set up to
> watch people flounder around all over themselves.

I miss em. I was hammerin em the other day. Snap shots. The hall had 2
piece cues which surprised me. I am used to single piece sticks at pool
halls, but it has been awhile since I have frequented them regularly.

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 21:39:25
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 11:21 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > One of the harder shots in pool is place the cue ball in one corner,
> > object ball in the middle of the table, and shoot it in the far diagonal
> > corner. Line it up perfectly straight. It's a great shot to set up to
> > watch people flounder around all over themselves.
>
> I miss em. I was hammerin em the other day. Snap shots. The hall had 2
> piece cues which surprised me. I am used to single piece sticks at pool
> halls, but it has been awhile since I have frequented them regularly.

They are what is left over from the ESPN "pool boom" .. they are the ones
that they couldnt sell to morons like you and Morphy.. the prolly have
"predator " shafts !!

YOU TEED THAT BALL UP JUST WAAAAAY TOO HIGH !!
>
> ========================================
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> ========
> BOOM byae
> John


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Date: 13 Jan 2009 07:54:17
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
> They are what is left over from the ESPN "pool boom" .. they are the ones
> that they couldnt sell to morons like you and Morphy.. the prolly have
> "predator " shafts !!

I am not sure either way what shaft it was I didn't pay attention, but
they all did look fairly new. The place I went to is kind of a high class
type joint. Funny thing is it took me 6 tries before I found one that
didn't dance across the table when tested.

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Date: 14 Jan 2009 18:24:20
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 13 2009 9:54 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > They are what is left over from the ESPN "pool boom" .. they are the ones
> > that they couldnt sell to morons like you and Morphy.. the prolly have
> > "predator " shafts !!
>
> I am not sure either way what shaft it was I didn't pay attention, but
> they all did look fairly new. The place I went to is kind of a high class
> type joint. Funny thing is it took me 6 tries before I found one that
> didn't dance across the table when tested.

I was being facetious and cues can only hold up as long as they are being
handled properly . Any 1500 dollar cue will get fucked up if you treat it
poorly
>
> ========================================
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> ========
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Date: 12 Jan 2009 05:53:23
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 12:30 AM, Bill Vanek wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:24:23 -0800, "Will_gamble"
> <a1794@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> >I misspent most of my life in a pool hall, mostly using a house stick off
> >the wall. I have played with some really good players including one that
> >defeated Efren Reyes for the US 9 ball championship. I have played Buddy
> >hall also. I could play better than probably 98% of the population IMHO
> >when still playing regularly.
> >
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Pierce
> >
> >I have always been aware that the cue ball travels in a slight arc or
> >curve when struck with english, but it is not significant enough that you
> >would have to consciously allow for it.
>
> You can't be serious. You didn't allow for deflection? Did you ever
> make a shot when you used english?

The compensation for deflection is something that is done subconsciously
during every shot after say your 2nd million shots
>
> I've played Buddy Hall too, but I didn't beat him, and I'm real sure
> you didn't either.

I have played Nick Varner , Bill Stiegel, Keith mcCready (lost 3000 to him
at the RumRunner in Vegas ), Babe Cranfield , played poker with the
Janscos (who created the Johnston City Shootout )

I actually beat Bill Steigel and broke even with varner (was getting some
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Date: 12 Jan 2009 04:47:27
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 12:30 AM, Bill Vanek wrote:

> You can't be serious. You didn't allow for deflection? Did you ever
> make a shot when you used english?

I guess you lay your stick on the table to line up bank shots and then put
the chalk on the rail to aim at.

Where did you play Buddy? I played him often at the Spot club in
Shreveport La in the early 70's.

My game is 100% rote, only thinking how I am going to get out from where I
am.

I read Byrne's science of pocket billiards once to learn how to read
diamonds. A lot of good stuff in there, but rote works much better for me
as I have been playing since I was 6. My mother bought me one of those
Sears cheapo tables then and once I was old enough to go to the pool hall
I went every day it was open until I went into the service.

There was one thing in the book that I knew but had never thought much
about it. It actually helped me in some situations. It had to do with
the path the cue ball will always take after contacting the object ball.
It will always travel at a 45 degree angle from the path of the object
ball path if you impart zero english on the cue ball. It was like 'duh',
I knew that,but it is reassuring some situations when a little doubt
creeps in.

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 05:53:01
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 6:47 AM, Will_gamble wrote:

> On Jan 12 2009 12:30 AM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>
> > You can't be serious. You didn't allow for deflection? Did you ever
> > make a shot when you used english?
>
> I guess you lay your stick on the table to line up bank shots and then put
> the chalk on the rail to aim at.
>
> Where did you play Buddy? I played him often at the Spot club in
> Shreveport La in the early 70's.
>
> My game is 100% rote, only thinking how I am going to get out from where I
> am.
>
> I read Byrne's science of pocket billiards once to learn how to read
> diamonds. A lot of good stuff in there, but rote works much better for me
> as I have been playing since I was 6. My mother bought me one of those
> Sears cheapo tables then and once I was old enough to go to the pool hall
> I went every day it was open until I went into the service.
>
> There was one thing in the book that I knew but had never thought much
> about it. It actually helped me in some situations. It had to do with
> the path the cue ball will always take after contacting the object ball.
> It will always travel at a 45 degree angle from the path of the object
> ball path if you impart zero english on the cue ball. It was like 'duh',
> I knew that,but it is reassuring some situations when a little doubt
> creeps in.

Correction, 90 degrees.

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 20:05:16
From: Bill Vanek
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:53:01 -0800, "Will_gamble"
<a1794@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>On Jan 12 2009 6:47 AM, Will_gamble wrote:
>
>> On Jan 12 2009 12:30 AM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>>
>> > You can't be serious. You didn't allow for deflection? Did you ever
>> > make a shot when you used english?
>>
>> I guess you lay your stick on the table to line up bank shots and then put
>> the chalk on the rail to aim at.

I'm not sure what that means. You seemed to imply that deflection was
insignificant. To me, it doesn't matter if you adjust for deflection
subconsciously, it is not insignificant.

>> Where did you play Buddy? I played him often at the Spot club in
>> Shreveport La in the early 70's.

He was a something of a road player, and probably spent some time in
just about every major city. It's not important where I played him.
There is still at least on idiot on this group who is determined to
learn who I am, and I don't intend to help him find out.


         
Date: 15 Jan 2009 07:05:15
From: hanks
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 8:05 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:53:01 -0800, "Will_gamble"
> <a1794@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On Jan 12 2009 6:47 AM, Will_gamble wrote:
> >
> >> On Jan 12 2009 12:30 AM, Bill Vanek wrote:
> >>
> >> > You can't be serious. You didn't allow for deflection? Did you ever
> >> > make a shot when you used english?
> >>
> >> I guess you lay your stick on the table to line up bank shots and then put
> >> the chalk on the rail to aim at.
>
> I'm not sure what that means. You seemed to imply that deflection was
> insignificant. To me, it doesn't matter if you adjust for deflection
> subconsciously, it is not insignificant.
>
> >> Where did you play Buddy? I played him often at the Spot club in
> >> Shreveport La in the early 70's.
>
> He was a something of a road player, and probably spent some time in
> just about every major city. It's not important where I played him.
> There is still at least on idiot on this group who is determined to
> learn who I am, and I don't intend to help him find out.

I SERIOUSLY doubt anyon gives a shit!!!
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Date: 15 Jan 2009 18:14:47
From: Bill Vanek
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:05:15 -0800, "hanks" <hanks43@aol.com > wrote:

>On Jan 12 2009 8:05 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:53:01 -0800, "Will_gamble"
>> <a1794@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >On Jan 12 2009 6:47 AM, Will_gamble wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Jan 12 2009 12:30 AM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > You can't be serious. You didn't allow for deflection? Did you ever
>> >> > make a shot when you used english?
>> >>
>> >> I guess you lay your stick on the table to line up bank shots and then put
>> >> the chalk on the rail to aim at.
>>
>> I'm not sure what that means. You seemed to imply that deflection was
>> insignificant. To me, it doesn't matter if you adjust for deflection
>> subconsciously, it is not insignificant.
>>
>> >> Where did you play Buddy? I played him often at the Spot club in
>> >> Shreveport La in the early 70's.
>>
>> He was a something of a road player, and probably spent some time in
>> just about every major city. It's not important where I played him.
>> There is still at least on idiot on this group who is determined to
>> learn who I am, and I don't intend to help him find out.
>
>I SERIOUSLY doubt anyon gives a shit!!!

Based on what?


          
Date: 15 Jan 2009 07:44:41
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
> I SERIOUSLY doubt anyon gives a shit!!!
> hanks

You would be right on that score.

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 06:15:42
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 7:53 AM, Will_gamble wrote:

> On Jan 12 2009 6:47 AM, Will_gamble wrote:
>
> > On Jan 12 2009 12:30 AM, Bill Vanek wrote:
> >
> > > You can't be serious. You didn't allow for deflection? Did you ever
> > > make a shot when you used english?
> >
> > I guess you lay your stick on the table to line up bank shots and then put
> > the chalk on the rail to aim at.
> >
> > Where did you play Buddy? I played him often at the Spot club in
> > Shreveport La in the early 70's.
> >
> > My game is 100% rote, only thinking how I am going to get out from where I
> > am.
> >
> > I read Byrne's science of pocket billiards once to learn how to read
> > diamonds. A lot of good stuff in there, but rote works much better for me
> > as I have been playing since I was 6. My mother bought me one of those
> > Sears cheapo tables then and once I was old enough to go to the pool hall
> > I went every day it was open until I went into the service.
> >
> > There was one thing in the book that I knew but had never thought much
> > about it. It actually helped me in some situations. It had to do with
> > the path the cue ball will always take after contacting the object ball.
> > It will always travel at a 45 degree angle from the path of the object
> > ball path if you impart zero english on the cue ball. It was like 'duh',
> > I knew that,but it is reassuring some situations when a little doubt
> > creeps in.
>
> Correction, 90 degrees.

I was just getting ready to go after the 45 degree thingy !!
>
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Date: 12 Jan 2009 05:37:50
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 6:47 AM, Will_gamble wrote:

> On Jan 12 2009 12:30 AM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>
> > You can't be serious. You didn't allow for deflection? Did you ever
> > make a shot when you used english?
>
> I guess you lay your stick on the table to line up bank shots and then put
> the chalk on the rail to aim at.

mildly amusing!!
>
> Where did you play Buddy? I played him often at the Spot club in
> Shreveport La in the early 70's.

Buddy is in Tulsa..he has been playing golf with a friend of mine . He has
actually come down off his religious "high horse". Buddy mentions one of
my best friends twice in his book . Also mentions 4 or 5 people who have
been discussed on this forum ..The Buddy Hall Story..
>
> My game is 100% rote, only thinking how I am going to get out from where I
> am.

PURE BULLSHIT.. "rote' allows you to get the speed of a strange table down
?

So when you get to the table ..you are only thinking about "getting out "
(actually the proper phrase here)

NO SHIT ?? NOVEL IDEA!!
>
> I read Byrne's science of pocket billiards once to learn how to read
> diamonds. A lot of good stuff in there, but rote works much better for me
> as I have been playing since I was 6. My mother bought me one of those
> Sears cheapo tables then and once I was old enough to go to the pool hall
> I went every day it was open until I went into the service.
>
> There was one thing in the book that I knew but had never thought much
> about it. It actually helped me in some situations. It had to do with
> the path the cue ball will always take after contacting the object ball.
> It will always travel at a 45 degree angle from the path of the object
> ball path if you impart zero english on the cue ball. It was like 'duh',
> I knew that,but it is reassuring some situations when a little doubt
> creeps in.

YOU GOT THE EIGHT !!


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Date: 11 Jan 2009 23:49:48
From: RazzO
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
OMG, Bill. This is a very telling revelation. WOW!

Not very many people in Vegas can say this.


On Jan 11 2009 10:30 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:

> I've played Buddy Hall too, but I didn't beat him, and I'm real sure
> you didn't either.


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Date: 10 Jan 2009 22:28:25
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 10 2009 11:39 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 10 2009 10:50 PM, Clave wrote:
>
> > > A Predator shaft is great for up and comers since it provides a natural
> > > deflection however if you have never played with a Predator it will be
> > > like learning all over again.
> >
> > Care to go into why for a bit?
>
> I don't know if you're trolling or not, but there's a good chance hanks
> couldn't put together anything that makes sense about this, so I'll throw
> in my 2 cents.
>
> The Predator shaft reduces deflection (also known as squirt) by up to like
> 50%. Squirt is best defined as what happens to the cue ball when you put
> english on it. For example, if you put left english on a shot, the
> cueball naturally moves (deflects/squirts) to the right. In other words,
> you have to aim that much further off to compensate for the natural
> movement of the cue ball. Since the Predator shaft is built in a way
> where it lowers deflection so much, you have to basically re-learn how to
> aim if you want to play with it.

funnt to watch you morons try to act like you know something about shit
like this !!
>
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Date: 10 Jan 2009 22:25:55
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
"FangBanger" <a29bed1@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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> On Jan 10 2009 11:39 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
>> On Jan 10 2009 10:50 PM, Clave wrote:
>>
>> > > A Predator shaft is great for up and comers since it provides a
>> > > natural
>> > > deflection however if you have never played with a Predator it will
>> > > be
>> > > like learning all over again.
>> >
>> > Care to go into why for a bit?
>>
>> I don't know if you're trolling or not, but there's a good chance hanks
>> couldn't put together anything that makes sense about this, so I'll throw
>> in my 2 cents.
>>
>> The Predator shaft reduces deflection (also known as squirt) by up to
>> like
>> 50%. Squirt is best defined as what happens to the cue ball when you put
>> english on it. For example, if you put left english on a shot, the
>> cueball naturally moves (deflects/squirts) to the right. In other words,
>> you have to aim that much further off to compensate for the natural
>> movement of the cue ball. Since the Predator shaft is built in a way
>> where it lowers deflection so much, you have to basically re-learn how to
>> aim if you want to play with it.
>
> funnt to watch you morons try to act like you know something about shit
> like this !!

Beg pardon?

Jim




     
Date: 10 Jan 2009 22:30:50
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 11 2009 12:28 AM, FangBanger wrote:

> funnt to watch you morons try to act like you know something about shit
> like this !!

At least I didn't say something as moronic as "ANYTHING YOU SPEND OVER
150-200 DOLLARS IS STRICTLY FOR DECORATION".

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Date: 11 Jan 2009 10:18:09
From: hanks
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 10 2009 10:30 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 11 2009 12:28 AM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > funnt to watch you morons try to act like you know something about shit
> > like this !!
>
> At least I didn't say something as moronic as "ANYTHING YOU SPEND OVER
> 150-200 DOLLARS IS STRICTLY FOR DECORATION".
>
> ---
> Morphy
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> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> "You...are just as funny...as Popinjay is" --Will in New Haven
Some folks like decoration.
I would bet that you never spent over $100 for a pair of shoes or a
shirt!!!!

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Date: 11 Jan 2009 10:28:47
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 11 2009 12:18 PM, hanks wrote:

> Some folks like decoration.
> I would bet that you never spent over $100 for a pair of shoes or a
> shirt!!!!

How much would you like to lose on that bet?

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Date: 11 Jan 2009 11:53:47
From: hanks
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 11 2009 10:28 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 11 2009 12:18 PM, hanks wrote:
>
> > Some folks like decoration.
> > I would bet that you never spent over $100 for a pair of shoes or a
> > shirt!!!!
>
> How much would you like to lose on that bet?
>
> ---
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> "You...are just as funny...as Popinjay is" --Will in New Haven

Tell me the brand name of your ONE $100+ shirt Sarah Palin?
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 12:08:00
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 11 2009 1:53 PM, hanks wrote:

> Tell me the brand name of your ONE $100+ shirt Sarah Palin?

Ralph Laurmomisaslut

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Date: 11 Jan 2009 12:44:35
From: hanks
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 11 2009 12:08 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 11 2009 1:53 PM, hanks wrote:
>
> > Tell me the brand name of your ONE $100+ shirt Sarah Palin?
>
> Ralph Laurmomisaslut
>
> ---
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So's jomama!!!!
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 13:55:20
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Pool cues?

"hanks" <hanks43@aol.com > wrote in message
news:bbvp36xs5s.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 11 2009 10:28 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
>> On Jan 11 2009 12:18 PM, hanks wrote:
>>
>> > Some folks like decoration.
>> > I would bet that you never spent over $100 for a pair of shoes or a
>> > shirt!!!!
>>
>> How much would you like to lose on that bet?
>>
>> ---
>> Morphy
>> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
>> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>> "You...are just as funny...as Popinjay is" --Will in New Haven
>
> Tell me the brand name of your ONE $100+ shirt Sarah Palin?
> hanks



They don't have brand names.




          
Date: 11 Jan 2009 12:41:33
From: hanks
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 11 2009 11:55 AM, James L. Hankins wrote:

> "hanks" <hanks43@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:bbvp36xs5s.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Jan 11 2009 10:28 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> >
> >> On Jan 11 2009 12:18 PM, hanks wrote:
> >>
> >> > Some folks like decoration.
> >> > I would bet that you never spent over $100 for a pair of shoes or a
> >> > shirt!!!!
> >>
> >> How much would you like to lose on that bet?
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Morphy
> >> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> >> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> >> "You...are just as funny...as Popinjay is" --Will in New Haven
> >
> > Tell me the brand name of your ONE $100+ shirt Sarah Palin?
> > hanks
>
>
>
> They don't have brand names.
BINGO!!!!!

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Date: 10 Jan 2009 22:55:19
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 11 2009 12:30 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 11 2009 12:28 AM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > funnt to watch you morons try to act like you know something about shit
> > like this !!
>
> At least I didn't say something as moronic as "ANYTHING YOU SPEND OVER
> 150-200 DOLLARS IS STRICTLY FOR DECORATION".
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> "You...are just as funny...as Popinjay is" --Will in New Haven

No.. because you dont know that much . Once anyone who isnt a top level
pro spends more than 100-125 , they get no more "quality" if they spend
1200. They get more linen wrap , and better inlays , and more color , but
they get absolutely no more solid cue or better quality piece of equipment
to strike the ball.

i can find an old Palmer cue , sold for under 100 dollars and hit with
outperform any of these "window shop" 1200 dollar pieces of shit they sell
to morons like you !!


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Date: 10 Jan 2009 23:01:00
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 11 2009 12:55 AM, FangBanger wrote:

> No.. because you dont know that much . Once anyone who isnt a top level
> pro spends more than 100-125 , they get no more "quality" if they spend
> 1200. They get more linen wrap , and better inlays , and more color , but
> they get absolutely no more solid cue or better quality piece of equipment
> to strike the ball.
>
> i can find an old Palmer cue , sold for under 100 dollars and hit with
> outperform any of these "window shop" 1200 dollar pieces of shit they sell
> to morons like you !!

Well doggy my good friend, do you think that it's at all possible that
prices of pool cues have gone up just a bit from 30 years ago when you
last got out of your wheelchair and played?

You also are showing your true ignorance here. The predator shafts alone
go for over $250, and they are very popular.

That's ok, I accept your apology.

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 08:54:40
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
> Well doggy my good friend, do you think that it's at all possible that
> prices of pool cues have gone up just a bit from 300 years ago when you
> last got out of your wheelchair and played?

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Date: 11 Jan 2009 08:31:00
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 11 2009 1:01 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 11 2009 12:55 AM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > No.. because you dont know that much . Once anyone who isnt a top level
> > pro spends more than 100-125 , they get no more "quality" if they spend
> > 1200. They get more linen wrap , and better inlays , and more color , but
> > they get absolutely no more solid cue or better quality piece of equipment
> > to strike the ball.
> >
> > i can find an old Palmer cue , sold for under 100 dollars and hit with
> > outperform any of these "window shop" 1200 dollar pieces of shit they sell
> > to morons like you !!
>
> Well doggy my good friend, do you think that it's at all possible that
> prices of pool cues have gone up just a bit from 30 years ago when you
> last got out of your wheelchair and played?
>
> You also are showing your true ignorance here. The predator shafts alone
> go for over $250, and they are very popular.
>
> That's ok, I accept your apology.

yes .. they are popular among TVPM's (tv pool morons) who dont know what
they are talking about

people have been running rack for 100 years prior to the invention of the
Predator . And as far as your description of effects of a cue on the cue
ball... NO SHIT ??

I was "using" English before you could 'speak" it !!
>
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 08:58:02
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 11 2009 10:31 AM, FangBanger wrote:

> yes .. they are popular among TVPM's (tv pool morons) who dont know what
> they are talking about
>
> people have been running rack for 100 years prior to the invention of the
> Predator . And as far as your description of effects of a cue on the cue
> ball... NO SHIT ??
>
> I was "using" English before you could 'speak" it !!

So let me guess, your old fat ass still uses a wooden tennis racket? Do
you also drive a horse drawn carriage?

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Date: 10 Jan 2009 21:51:11
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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> On Jan 10 2009 10:50 PM, Clave wrote:
>
>> > A Predator shaft is great for up and comers since it provides a natural
>> > deflection however if you have never played with a Predator it will be
>> > like learning all over again.
>>
>> Care to go into why for a bit?
>
> I don't know if you're trolling or not, but there's a good chance hanks
> couldn't put together anything that makes sense about this, so I'll throw
> in my 2 cents.

Not trolling, just don't know dick about high-end cues.


> The Predator shaft reduces deflection (also known as squirt) by up to like
> 50%.

What, some kind of proprietary tip reinforcements or something? Mass
distribution perhaps? Stiffness enhancing? Whatever, it sounds like the
wood part is mostly for show.


> Squirt is best defined as what happens to the cue ball when you put
> english on it. For example, if you put left english on a shot, the
> cueball naturally moves (deflects/squirts) to the right. In other words,
> you have to aim that much further off to compensate for the natural
> movement of the cue ball. Since the Predator shaft is built in a way
> where it lowers deflection so much, you have to basically re-learn how to
> aim if you want to play with it.

Sounds like it'd be worth relearning if one had a mind to play seriously and
didn't mind being known as someone who was that serious.

I appreciate the answer, BTW. I love pool and respect the hell out of the
pros, but I never did more than make lunch/drink money at it with house
cues.

Jim





     
Date: 10 Jan 2009 22:13:57
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 10 2009 11:51 PM, Clave wrote:

> > The Predator shaft reduces deflection (also known as squirt) by up to like
> > 50%.
>
> What, some kind of proprietary tip reinforcements or something? Mass
> distribution perhaps? Stiffness enhancing? Whatever, it sounds like the
> wood part is mostly for show.

Best I can describe it is like, this, lol:

http://www.predatorcues.com/predator_cues_shafts.php

> Sounds like it'd be worth relearning if one had a mind to play seriously and
> didn't mind being known as someone who was that serious.
>
> I appreciate the answer, BTW. I love pool and respect the hell out of the
> pros, but I never did more than make lunch/drink money at it with house
> cues.

Yeah it would be worth it if you had the time to devote to relearning. A
lot of the pros play so damn much and have to keep playing to maintain
their lifestyles that they simply don't have time.

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Date: 10 Jan 2009 22:50:15
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 11 2009 12:13 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 10 2009 11:51 PM, Clave wrote:
>
> > > The Predator shaft reduces deflection (also known as squirt) by up to
like
> > > 50%.
> >
> > What, some kind of proprietary tip reinforcements or something? Mass
> > distribution perhaps? Stiffness enhancing? Whatever, it sounds like the
> > wood part is mostly for show.
>
> Best I can describe it is like, this, lol:
>
> http://www.predatorcues.com/predator_cues_shafts.php
>
> > Sounds like it'd be worth relearning if one had a mind to play seriously
and
> > didn't mind being known as someone who was that serious.
> >
> > I appreciate the answer, BTW. I love pool and respect the hell out of the
> > pros, but I never did more than make lunch/drink money at it with house
> > cues.
>
> Yeah it would be worth it if you had the time to devote to relearning. A
> lot of the pros play so damn much and have to keep playing to maintain
> their lifestyles that they simply don't have time.
>
> ---
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you would be silly enough to fall for this bullshit !!


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Date: 10 Jan 2009 22:56:09
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
"FangBanger" <a29bed1@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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> On Jan 11 2009 12:13 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
>> On Jan 10 2009 11:51 PM, Clave wrote:
>>
>> > > The Predator shaft reduces deflection (also known as squirt) by up to
>> > > like 50%.
>> >
>> > What, some kind of proprietary tip reinforcements or something? Mass
>> > distribution perhaps? Stiffness enhancing? Whatever, it sounds like
>> > the wood part is mostly for show.
>>
>> Best I can describe it is like, this, lol:
>>
>> http://www.predatorcues.com/predator_cues_shafts.php
>>
>> > Sounds like it'd be worth relearning if one had a mind to play
>> > seriously and didn't mind being known as someone who was that serious.
>> >
>> > I appreciate the answer, BTW. I love pool and respect the hell out of
>> > the pros, but I never did more than make lunch/drink money at it with
>> > house cues.
>>
>> Yeah it would be worth it if you had the time to devote to relearning. A
>> lot of the pros play so damn much and have to keep playing to maintain
>> their lifestyles that they simply don't have time.
>
> you would be silly enough to fall for this bullshit !!

Yeah, for all I know Predator could be the Bose of pool cues, and it doesn't
matter to me in the long run because I'll *never* spend money on a pool cue
or a Bose stereo (except the one that came stock w/my TL). I appreciate
Morphy's input and information just the same.

But all that aside, I'd also appreciate it if you would, rather than just
clownfart into the conversation, please give us the benefit of your
supposedly superior knowledge and actually say something.

Jim




        
Date: 11 Jan 2009 08:26:14
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 11 2009 12:56 AM, Clave wrote:

> "FangBanger" <a29bed1@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:7eho36xu4i.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Jan 11 2009 12:13 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> >
> >> On Jan 10 2009 11:51 PM, Clave wrote:
> >>
> >> > > The Predator shaft reduces deflection (also known as squirt) by up to
> >> > > like 50%.
> >> >
> >> > What, some kind of proprietary tip reinforcements or something? Mass
> >> > distribution perhaps? Stiffness enhancing? Whatever, it sounds like
> >> > the wood part is mostly for show.
> >>
> >> Best I can describe it is like, this, lol:
> >>
> >> http://www.predatorcues.com/predator_cues_shafts.php
> >>
> >> > Sounds like it'd be worth relearning if one had a mind to play
> >> > seriously and didn't mind being known as someone who was that serious.
> >> >
> >> > I appreciate the answer, BTW. I love pool and respect the hell out of
> >> > the pros, but I never did more than make lunch/drink money at it with
> >> > house cues.
> >>
> >> Yeah it would be worth it if you had the time to devote to relearning. A
> >> lot of the pros play so damn much and have to keep playing to maintain
> >> their lifestyles that they simply don't have time.
> >
> > you would be silly enough to fall for this bullshit !!
>
> Yeah, for all I know Predator could be the Bose of pool cues, and it doesn't
> matter to me in the long run because I'll *never* spend money on a pool cue
> or a Bose stereo (except the one that came stock w/my TL). I appreciate
> Morphy's input and information just the same.
>
> But all that aside, I'd also appreciate it if you would, rather than just
> clownfart into the conversation, please give us the benefit of your
> supposedly superior knowledge and actually say something.
>
> Jim

I DID .. and I gave the Op the best advice ..spend 125-200 on a good
solid cue without all the bullshit inlays and bells and whistles

I guarantee that if I were to take 500 dollars to go buy pool cues that I
could come back with 3-4 VERY SOLID cues for his in-home cue rack !!

I have seen people go off for 400-1200 dollar cues , and 15 minutes after
they use themm .. they still drive the balls right into the rails

The cue I have now .. I bought in san Antonio for 60 dollars after I made
a game with a guy . I havent had it out in 3 years . It is very solid and
I would be willing to bet that I could beat these morons in this pool
discussion

THEY LOOK GOOD .. but cant play a lick !! Kinda reminds me of the TVSM s
in poker


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Date: 10 Jan 2009 22:56:28
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 11 2009 12:50 AM, FangBanger wrote:

> you would be silly enough to fall for this bullshit !!

You know less about pool than you do about poker. I was reading rsb and
getting lessons from the world's best long before you started losing your
ass in $10 sngs online.

I take it you are making these comments because you've actually used a
predator? Right? You aren't just making shit up again like you always do?

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 10:37:27
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:56:28 -0800, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:


>You know less about pool than you do about poker. I was reading rsb and
>getting lessons from the world's best long before you started losing your
>ass in $10 sngs online.

Hmmm -- did you ever make it to an RSB gathering? If so, which ones?

-- Larry


         
Date: 12 Jan 2009 08:01:32
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 9:37 AM, pltrgyst wrote:

> Hmmm -- did you ever make it to an RSB gathering? If so, which ones?

Not unless you count two of us hanging out with the original owner of
Sharky's in Waukesha, WI around 1997. None of the gatherings were close
enough for me to justify going.

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 14:30:44
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 10:01 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 12 2009 9:37 AM, pltrgyst wrote:
>
> > Hmmm -- did you ever make it to an RSB gathering? If so, which ones?
>
> Not unless you count two of us hanging out with the original owner of
> Sharky's in Waukesha, WI around 1997. None of the gatherings were close
> enough for me to justify going.

OOOHH .. THE "ORIGINAL"IN 1997 ..NOW THATS HISTORY THERE!!
>
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Date: 12 Jan 2009 15:02:42
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 4:30 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> OOOHH .. THE "ORIGINAL"IN 1997 ..NOW THATS HISTORY THERE!!

Yeah that's when he opened it up, you moron.

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 21:35:16
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 5:02 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 12 2009 4:30 PM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > OOOHH .. THE "ORIGINAL"IN 1997 ..NOW THATS HISTORY THERE!!
>
> Yeah that's when he opened it up, you moron.

Hmm .. yep .. During the ESPN TV Pool Moron "boom" ..sound familiar

And the people around pool prior to this boom laughed at them just as the
"old guard" laughs at what is going on in poker now !!

SO YOU GET IT TWICE!!.. You are a TVSM&PM ...Priceless!!
>
> ---
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Date: 12 Jan 2009 21:37:26
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 12 2009 11:35 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> Hmm .. yep .. During the ESPN TV Pool Moron "boom" ..sound familiar
>
> And the people around pool prior to this boom laughed at them just as the
> "old guard" laughs at what is going on in poker now !!
>
> SO YOU GET IT TWICE!!.. You are a TVSM&PM ...Priceless!!

Steve was an old guard pool guy if I'd ever seen one. He passed away in
99 and they turned the place into a dance club with pool tables. I
haven't been back since.

Again, your ignorance seems to show no bounds. I started playing pool as
a kid, but played "seriously" starting in 1990, when I didn't even own a
tv.

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Date: 11 Jan 2009 08:38:08
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 11 2009 12:56 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 11 2009 12:50 AM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > you would be silly enough to fall for this bullshit !!
>
> You know less about pool than you do about poker. I was reading rsb and
> getting lessons from the world's best long before you started losing your
> ass in $10 sngs online.
>
> I take it you are making these comments because you've actually used a
> predator? Right? You aren't just making shit up again like you always do?
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> "You...are just as funny...as Popinjay is" --Will in New Haven

OH OK SO LETS SUM THIS UP.. You dont play poker in a B&M , yet you know
more about poker than I do ?

And you read some "trade " mags about pool , and you fell for that shit ,
so now you think you know more about pool than I do ?

Whats next .. golf ??.... careful !!

EVRY FUCKING SPORT OR PHYSICAL ENDEVOUR HAS "HUCKSTERS" SELLING SHIT TO
PEOPLE THEY DONT NEED AND CANT USE

TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU IT APPEARS !!

"you read rsb"... NOW THATS HILARIOUS


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Date: 10 Jan 2009 22:20:42
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:5afo36xq0i.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 10 2009 11:51 PM, Clave wrote:
>
>> > The Predator shaft reduces deflection (also known as squirt) by up to
>> > like
>> > 50%.
>>
>> What, some kind of proprietary tip reinforcements or something? Mass
>> distribution perhaps? Stiffness enhancing? Whatever, it sounds like the
>> wood part is mostly for show.
>
> Best I can describe it is like, this, lol:
>
> http://www.predatorcues.com/predator_cues_shafts.php

Heh. Sorry, I'm an engineer. That's how my mind works.

From the limited information there, looks like some combination of those and
other stuff too, prolly. The way the diagrams are drawn would imply that
mass distribution is a lot of it.

I do not think I would be using any of those cues for breaks.


>> Sounds like it'd be worth relearning if one had a mind to play seriously
>> and
>> didn't mind being known as someone who was that serious.
>>
>> I appreciate the answer, BTW. I love pool and respect the hell out of
>> the
>> pros, but I never did more than make lunch/drink money at it with house
>> cues.
>
> Yeah it would be worth it if you had the time to devote to relearning. A
> lot of the pros play so damn much and have to keep playing to maintain
> their lifestyles that they simply don't have time.

What kind of learning curve would they be looking at, do you suppose?

Jim




       
Date: 10 Jan 2009 22:57:58
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 11 2009 12:20 AM, Clave wrote:

> Heh. Sorry, I'm an engineer. That's how my mind works.
>
> From the limited information there, looks like some combination of those and
> other stuff too, prolly. The way the diagrams are drawn would imply that
> mass distribution is a lot of it.
>
> I do not think I would be using any of those cues for breaks.

Heh probably not, although who knows.

> What kind of learning curve would they be looking at, do you suppose?

Hard to say. I bet a lot of them would do like I'd do...pick it up, shoot
twice, say "this thing is fucked up" and leave it at that. lol

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Date: 10 Jan 2009 19:31:30
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
I have a really nice custom cue from the 70's and a sneaky pete. I prefer
the SP.

It really doesn't make that much difference, you can win with a broom
stick if you are good enough.

On Jan 10 2009 6:15 PM, cccroupe wrote:

> So, I have the pool table all set up and a few decent house cues, but
> I am looking to go out an spring for a decent stick. My dad (who uses
> an old Viking butt with a Predator shaft) tells me that the butt is
> mainly for style points, but the shaft is where I shouldn't skimp -
> but my dad never played professional or high-stakes pool. What say
> the pool experts on RGP in regards to what cue they like the best?
>
> Croupe


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Date: 10 Jan 2009 19:00:51
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 10 2009 6:15 PM, cccroupe wrote:

> So, I have the pool table all set up and a few decent house cues, but
> I am looking to go out an spring for a decent stick. My dad (who uses
> an old Viking butt with a Predator shaft) tells me that the butt is
> mainly for style points, but the shaft is where I shouldn't skimp -
> but my dad never played professional or high-stakes pool. What say
> the pool experts on RGP in regards to what cue they like the best?
>
> Croupe

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Date: 10 Jan 2009 20:02:33
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 10 2009 9:00 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> ANYTHING YOU SPEND OVER 150-200 DOLLARS IS STRICTLY FOR DECORATION

lol

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Date: 10 Jan 2009 17:22:23
From: StinkFist
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 10, 6:45=A0pm, "Will_gamble" <a1...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> Go to rec.sport.billiard and ask.
>
> On Jan 10 2009 6:15 PM, cccroupe wrote:
>
> > So, I have the pool table all set up and a few decent house cues, but
> > I am looking to go out an spring for a decent stick. =A0My dad (who use=
s
> > an old Viking butt with a Predator shaft) tells me that the butt is
> > mainly for style points, but the shaft is where I shouldn't skimp -
> > but my dad never played professional or high-stakes pool. =A0What say
> > the pool experts on RGP in regards to what cue they like the best?
>
> > Croupe
>
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Predator Z shaft coupled with any production butt you want...can't go
wrong.


 
Date: 10 Jan 2009 16:45:50
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
Go to rec.sport.billiard and ask.

On Jan 10 2009 6:15 PM, cccroupe wrote:

> So, I have the pool table all set up and a few decent house cues, but
> I am looking to go out an spring for a decent stick. My dad (who uses
> an old Viking butt with a Predator shaft) tells me that the butt is
> mainly for style points, but the shaft is where I shouldn't skimp -
> but my dad never played professional or high-stakes pool. What say
> the pool experts on RGP in regards to what cue they like the best?
>
> Croupe


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Date: 11 Jan 2009 12:52:57
From: Tad Perry
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
If we can't get the people talking politics to go to the political
newsgroup, how are we going to get the pool players to go to the pool
newsgroup?

tvp

"Will_gamble" <a1794@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:u2sn36x14g.ln2@recgroups.com...
> Go to rec.sport.billiard and ask.
>
> On Jan 10 2009 6:15 PM, cccroupe wrote:
>
> > So, I have the pool table all set up and a few decent house cues, but
> > I am looking to go out an spring for a decent stick. My dad (who uses
> > an old Viking butt with a Predator shaft) tells me that the butt is
> > mainly for style points, but the shaft is where I shouldn't skimp -
> > but my dad never played professional or high-stakes pool. What say
> > the pool experts on RGP in regards to what cue they like the best?
> >
> > Croupe
>
>
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 17:08:07
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Pool cues?
On Jan 11 2009 2:52 PM, Tad Perry wrote:

> If we can't get the people talking politics to go to the political
> newsgroup, how are we going to get the pool players to go to the pool
> newsgroup?
>
> tvp

trust me .. there are no pool players here!!
>
> "Will_gamble" <a1794@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:u2sn36x14g.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > Go to rec.sport.billiard and ask.
> >
> > On Jan 10 2009 6:15 PM, cccroupe wrote:
> >
> > > So, I have the pool table all set up and a few decent house cues, but
> > > I am looking to go out an spring for a decent stick. My dad (who uses
> > > an old Viking butt with a Predator shaft) tells me that the butt is
> > > mainly for style points, but the shaft is where I shouldn't skimp -
> > > but my dad never played professional or high-stakes pool. What say
> > > the pool experts on RGP in regards to what cue they like the best?
> > >
> > > Croupe
> >
> >
> > **************************************************
> >
> > On the wagon since 12/28/08
> >


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