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Date: 30 Dec 2008 07:04:15
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Poker Room Collusion and NL HoldEm
Anyone here ever play in a poker game and see collusion between two or
more players? I have seen it on a few occasions. One time there was a
brother and sister playing on the same table. Another time I saw two
guys who had just sat down and it seemed they were playing as teams.
If one guy called a preflop raise the other guy ALWAYS called to.

The two guys who teamed up did well. Eventually, I left the game.




 
Date: 31 Dec 2008 13:00:29
From: hanks
Subject: Re: Poker Room Collusion and NL HoldEm
On Dec 30 2008 7:04 AM, Senator Millionaire wrote:

> Anyone here ever play in a poker game and see collusion between two or
> more players? I have seen it on a few occasions. One time there was a
> brother and sister playing on the same table. Another time I saw two
> guys who had just sat down and it seemed they were playing as teams.
> If one guy called a preflop raise the other guy ALWAYS called to.
>
> The two guys who teamed up did well. Eventually, I left the game.

Oh goodness gracious sakes alive! I've never heard of such a thing!!!
hanks

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Date: 30 Dec 2008 10:24:09
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Poker Room Collusion and NL HoldEm
Laying 2-1? You're an idiot in poker theory, yet continue to comment.
They're such subtle moves in NLH that you don't even know them. One is
where one leads outs into the nuts (simple), another is where one is
called with nothing, (hard to get overcalled with a marginal hand). I
could write a book about what you don't know in poker collusion, but
not enough time left for a library.





On Dec 30, 7:40=EF=BF=BDam, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Dec 30 2008 9:04 AM, Senator Millionaire wrote:
>
> > Anyone here ever play in a poker game and see collusion between two or
> > more players? I have seen it on a few occasions. One time there was a
> > brother and sister playing on the same table. =EF=BF=BDAnother time I s=
aw two
> > guys who had just sat down and it seemed they were playing as teams.
> > If one guy called a preflop raise the other guy ALWAYS called to.
>
> > The two guys who teamed up did well. Eventually, I left the game.
>
> what you describe here are 2 idiots who dont know what they are doing ..
> when you have been taken .. you will have no clue that it is happening
>
> these idiots are laying 2-1 in n/l holdem ?
>
> suits me .. bring em on !!
>
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities=
.
> Voltaire
>
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Date: 30 Dec 2008 09:34:49
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Poker Room Collusion and NL HoldEm
On Dec 30, 11:30=A0am, Lute <lutelat...@msn.com > wrote:
>
> Expert colluders, if they are smart, will not be detected except over
> a long period of statistical anomalies, and who will wait around for
> that? =A0Collusion is easy to disguise. =A0And unlike another poster here
> infers, you do not have to double the bets. =A0You just have to know
> when your partner wants you to mini-raise, so that he can re-raise if
> you call the raise. =A0It's the old cross-fire trick.
>

I missed that part Lute. That's exactly what I saw but I didn't know
it was called the old cross-fire trick. Thanks.




 
Date: 30 Dec 2008 11:20:27
From: DELETETHIS
Subject: Re: Poker Room Collusion and NL HoldEm
see it all the time - most are very bad at it

Senator Millionaire wrote:
> Anyone here ever play in a poker game and see collusion between two or
> more players? I have seen it on a few occasions. One time there was a
> brother and sister playing on the same table. Another time I saw two
> guys who had just sat down and it seemed they were playing as teams.
> If one guy called a preflop raise the other guy ALWAYS called to.
>
> The two guys who teamed up did well. Eventually, I left the game.


  
Date: 30 Dec 2008 14:05:52
From: WaltWhitman
Subject: Re: Poker Room Collusion and NL HoldEm
On Dec 30 2008 9:20 AM, DELETETHIS wrote:

> see it all the time - most are very bad at it
>
> Senator Millionaire wrote:
> > Anyone here ever play in a poker game and see collusion between two or
> > more players? I have seen it on a few occasions. One time there was a
> > brother and sister playing on the same table. Another time I saw two
> > guys who had just sat down and it seemed they were playing as teams.
> > If one guy called a preflop raise the other guy ALWAYS called to.
> >
> > The two guys who teamed up did well. Eventually, I left the game.

The most Blatant Collusion I have seen. was a husband and wife texting
each other during the game!!

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Very well then I contradict myself
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I contain multitudes

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Date: 30 Dec 2008 09:15:42
From:
Subject: Re: Poker Room Collusion and NL HoldEm
On Dec 30, 10:04=A0am, Senator Millionaire <moon...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Anyone here ever play in a poker game and see collusion between two or
> more players? I have seen it on a few occasions. One time there was a
> brother and sister playing on the same table. =A0Another time I saw two
> guys who had just sat down and it seemed they were playing as teams.
> If one guy called a preflop raise the other guy ALWAYS called to.
>
> The two guys who teamed up did well. Eventually, I left the game.


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Date: 30 Dec 2008 08:49:48
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Poker Room Collusion and NL HoldEm
I have seen a brother and sister play together at the same table on
several occasions. Since it was obvious to me that they were teaming
up I didn't play on their table. They both played well and were always
winning. I would say two very good players could easily devise a
strategy to come out on top more often than not.




 
Date: 30 Dec 2008 08:30:04
From: Lute
Subject: Re: Poker Room Collusion and NL HoldEm
In Vegas a few years ago, I was at a 7-stud table when two guys sat
down adjacent to each other, and were openly showing their hole cards
to each other. My protestations to the dealer were met with scorn (by
the dealer), so I left the game.

Occasionally I see husband-wife, and in some cases, parents-offspring
groups of 3 or more, at a table, but they seem to lose, so I doubt
that they are colluding.

Collusion can be unintentional. In one of his books, Doyle allows how
he, Slim, and a third guy, used to share the same bankroll, and share
in the profits/losses. Now Doyle would never collude, but the point
is that, if you know that your profit/loss is tied to your friend's
fortunes/misfortunes, then how can that not affect the way you play?
Would you bluff him off a hand that you think he might win, thereby
driving out other players who might call and lose?

Expert colluders, if they are smart, will not be detected except over
a long period of statistical anomalies, and who will wait around for
that? Collusion is easy to disguise. And unlike another poster here
infers, you do not have to double the bets. You just have to know
when your partner wants you to mini-raise, so that he can re-raise if
you call the raise. It's the old cross-fire trick.

On Dec 30, 10:04=A0am, Senator Millionaire <moon...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Anyone here ever play in a poker game and see collusion between two or
> more players? I have seen it on a few occasions. One time there was a
> brother and sister playing on the same table. =A0Another time I saw two
> guys who had just sat down and it seemed they were playing as teams.
> If one guy called a preflop raise the other guy ALWAYS called to.
>
> The two guys who teamed up did well. Eventually, I left the game.



  
Date: 30 Dec 2008 17:23:11
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Poker Room Collusion and NL HoldEm
On Dec 30 2008 10:30 AM, Lute wrote:

> In Vegas a few years ago, I was at a 7-stud table when two guys sat
> down adjacent to each other, and were openly showing their hole cards
> to each other. My protestations to the dealer were met with scorn (by
> the dealer), so I left the game.
>
> Occasionally I see husband-wife, and in some cases, parents-offspring
> groups of 3 or more, at a table, but they seem to lose, so I doubt
> that they are colluding.
>
> Collusion can be unintentional. In one of his books, Doyle allows how
> he, Slim, and a third guy, used to share the same bankroll, and share
> in the profits/losses. Now Doyle would never collude,

OK HOLD IT !! I like you so far but wait just a minute

'DOYLE WOULD NEVER COLLUDE ??

ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND ?

Yeah and Jodie would never "hook" and Jodie's daughter would never cheat
blackjack !!

Just as a point of reference , Doyle said that the 3 of em played out of
the same bankroll. You dont suppose that while they were traveling they
never compared notes or made some "foundation " statements regarding what
they would and would not do in games ?


but the point
> is that, if you know that your profit/loss is tied to your friend's
> fortunes/misfortunes, then how can that not affect the way you play?
> Would you bluff him off a hand that you think he might win, thereby
> driving out other players who might call and lose?
>
> Expert colluders, if they are smart, will not be detected except over
> a long period of statistical anomalies, and who will wait around for
> that? Collusion is easy to disguise. And unlike another poster here
> infers, you do not have to double the bets. You just have to know
> when your partner wants you to mini-raise, so that he can re-raise if
> you call the raise. It's the old cross-fire trick.
>
> On Dec 30, 10:04 am, Senator Millionaire <moon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Anyone here ever play in a poker game and see collusion between two or
> > more players? I have seen it on a few occasions. One time there was a
> > brother and sister playing on the same table.  Another time I saw two
> > guys who had just sat down and it seemed they were playing as teams.
> > If one guy called a preflop raise the other guy ALWAYS called to.
> >
> > The two guys who teamed up did well. Eventually, I left the game.


Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Voltaire

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Date: 30 Dec 2008 08:26:19
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Poker Room Collusion and NL HoldEm
On Dec 30, 10:40=A0am, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
>
> what you describe here are 2 idiots who dont know what they are doing ..
> when you have been taken .. you will have no clue that it is happening

There may be some truth to that Fang. I suspect teaming up in NL
holdem probably occurs much more often than most think. But if you're
sharp and make the right size bets you should be able to counter their
plan.






 
Date: 30 Dec 2008 07:40:38
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Poker Room Collusion and NL HoldEm
On Dec 30 2008 9:04 AM, Senator Millionaire wrote:

> Anyone here ever play in a poker game and see collusion between two or
> more players? I have seen it on a few occasions. One time there was a
> brother and sister playing on the same table. Another time I saw two
> guys who had just sat down and it seemed they were playing as teams.
> If one guy called a preflop raise the other guy ALWAYS called to.
>
> The two guys who teamed up did well. Eventually, I left the game.

what you describe here are 2 idiots who dont know what they are doing ..
when you have been taken .. you will have no clue that it is happening

these idiots are laying 2-1 in n/l holdem ?

suits me .. bring em on !!


Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Voltaire

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