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Date: 13 Jan 2009 16:41:45
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Please give me a reason to trust Fulltiltpoker.com
i absolutely cannot think of one reason to trust the place.
Atheism is drawing dead

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Date: 14 Jan 2009 11:23:08
From: da pickle no spam
Subject: Re: Please give me a reason to trust Fulltiltpoker.com
On Jan 13, 4:41=A0pm, "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:
> i absolutely cannot think of one reason to trust the place.
> Atheism is drawing dead
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Lots of people win at FullTilt. You lose because you play like crap.
Don=92t blame the site. Learn how to play or just quit. Why whine on
rgp? Nobody gives a shit.


 
Date: 13 Jan 2009 21:10:54
From: Arlo-Payne
Subject: Re: Please give me a reason to trust Fulltiltpoker.com
On Jan 13 2009 5:41 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:

> i absolutely cannot think of one reason to trust the place.
> Atheism is drawing dead

Without true regulations controlling the conduct of any third party
handling your money there is no reason to trust them at all.
Anytime there is money involved there is someone trying to find a way to
take it. This is true in all cases.

We will however just look at online poker. They control every issue of
concern along with holding your money. They control the cards, players if
they wish. payments and withdraws, banking source. employees, software,
just as a few examples. Bottomline they can control who wins and who does
not if they choose to do so.
Also many sites are controlled by gamblers which as a group contains more
con men than the normal rate of most any other group of people.

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Date: 14 Jan 2009 19:32:20
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Please give me a reason to trust Fulltiltpoker.com
On Jan 14 2009 12:10 AM, Arlo-Payne wrote:

> On Jan 13 2009 5:41 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:
>
> > i absolutely cannot think of one reason to trust the place.
> > Atheism is drawing dead
>
> Without true regulations controlling the conduct of any third party
> handling your money there is no reason to trust them at all.
> Anytime there is money involved there is someone trying to find a way to
> take it. This is true in all cases.
>
> We will however just look at online poker. They control every issue of
> concern along with holding your money. They control the cards, players if
> they wish. payments and withdraws, banking source. employees, software,
> just as a few examples. Bottomline they can control who wins and who does
> not if they choose to do so.
> Also many sites are controlled by gamblers which as a group contains more
> con men than the normal rate of most any other group of people.
Well put. I could just be unable to sustain there for some reason that is
not involved with any wrongdoing by fulltilt. Online poker as a whole just
never seems right. I can remember all of the times i ever lost playing
live in my whole lifetime. Who knows ? Arlo a longtime friend is moving
out that way sort of. He and his wife are longtime friends and basically i
get a place to stay. They are retiring, have dough to put into real estate
and i am his help out on the east coast. This time around i get a place of
my own and basically help an old chicago/east coast guy and wife have fun
for the rest of his life. Chicago is in power now so fun times are comin.
We are pretty much family. I hope to see you when I'm there. They are
taking care of me and i take care of them. My buddy gets around well and
we do projects on his homes here. We dont rush the projects at all, its
more of just a hobby. Seeya soon

Atheism is drawing dead

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Date: 14 Jan 2009 01:16:28
From: Patti Beadles
Subject: Re: Please give me a reason to trust Fulltiltpoker.com
In article <9vov36x2bi.ln2@recgroups.com >,
La Cosa Nostradamus <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
>i absolutely cannot think of one reason to trust the place.

Me either. I stopped playing there in August 2004, mere
hours after I started, due to what I saw as an egregious
ethics violation.[1] Since then, they have spammed me,
their customer service has either lied to me or performed
their job incompetently, and they have leaked my personal
data.

Reason to trust them? I have none.

-Patti

[1] Which I am not going to rehash. A clever search of the
archvies will get the info if you want it.
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Date: 13 Jan 2009 18:29:59
From: Steam
Subject: Re: Please give me a reason to trust Fulltiltpoker.com
On Jan 13 2009 5:16 PM, Patti Beadles wrote:

> In article <9vov36x2bi.ln2@recgroups.com>,
> La Cosa Nostradamus <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> >i absolutely cannot think of one reason to trust the place.
>
> Me either. I stopped playing there in August 2004, mere
> hours after I started, due to what I saw as an egregious
> ethics violation.[1] Since then, they have spammed me,
> their customer service has either lied to me or performed
> their job incompetently, and they have leaked my personal
> data.
>
> Reason to trust them? I have none.
>
> -Patti
>

While you have no reason to trust them, you solved it by not playing
there, unlike our friend here who plays there non-stop and then whines
about it incessantly for years.

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Date: 14 Jan 2009 19:23:22
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Please give me a reason to trust Fulltiltpoker.com
On Jan 13 2009 9:29 PM, Steam wrote:

> On Jan 13 2009 5:16 PM, Patti Beadles wrote:
>
> > In article <9vov36x2bi.ln2@recgroups.com>,
> > La Cosa Nostradamus <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > >i absolutely cannot think of one reason to trust the place.
> >
> > Me either. I stopped playing there in August 2004, mere
> > hours after I started, due to what I saw as an egregious
> > ethics violation.[1] Since then, they have spammed me,
> > their customer service has either lied to me or performed
> > their job incompetently, and they have leaked my personal
> > data.
> >
> > Reason to trust them? I have none.
> >
> > -Patti
> >
>
> While you have no reason to trust them, you solved it by not playing
> there, unlike our friend here who plays there non-stop and then whines
> about it incessantly for years.
yes Steam, i love u man, honest to God i do. You made
my day and a difference in my hopes to control the volcano within me.

Atheism is drawing dead

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Date: 13 Jan 2009 17:38:47
From: Scott/sjakma
Subject: Re: Please give me a reason to trust Fulltiltpoker.com
On Jan 13 2009 8:16 PM, Patti Beadles wrote:

> In article <9vov36x2bi.ln2@recgroups.com>,
> La Cosa Nostradamus <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> >i absolutely cannot think of one reason to trust the place.
>

Out of curiousity, what was the ethics violation? I do not normally play
there except for RGP tournaments. My only reason for not playing is the
interface.

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Date: 14 Jan 2009 12:48:47
From: topset72
Subject: Re: Please give me a reason to trust Fulltiltpoker.com
On Jan 14, 1:53=A0pm, pat...@green.rahul.net (Patti Beadles) wrote:

> My problem was with people who I knew to be principals of
> the site, but who weren't identified as such. =A0It was only
> because I knew the people and knew something about the site
> that I could pick them out. =A0If I'd been J Random Cusomer,
> I would have never known that the guy sitting next to me,
> the one who kept chatting things like, "Woohoo! =A0I love this
> site!", was one of the owners.
>
> -Patti

There are many practical reasons the owners don't want to identify
themselves. On 2+2 I read a post about a guy who had just interviewed
for a big marketing position at FT. The first and last questions he
was asked were -- How would you feel about being arrested at some
point and how would you feel about having to live abroad for a few
months to avoid legal action?

topset72


    
Date: 14 Jan 2009 21:30:42
From: Patti Beadles
Subject: Re: Please give me a reason to trust Fulltiltpoker.com
In article <5c43bc37-d461-444e-9be0-5776b0196a4c@g39g2000pri.googlegroups.com >,
topset72 <topset72@gmail.com > wrote:

>There are many practical reasons the owners don't want to identify
>themselves.

Oh sure. But there are even more reasons why the guys
who own the site shouldn't be playing on it for real money.
My gripe was less that they weren't identified, and more
that they shouldn't have been doing it at all.

Stars has a really strict policy about people associated
with the site and their family members not playing for
real money. Full Tilt seems to have no such policy. I
voted with my wallet.

-Patti
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Date: 17 Jan 2009 01:26:04
From: Tad Perry
Subject: Re: Please give me a reason to trust Fulltiltpoker.com
"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net > wrote in message
news:gklli2$ee6$1@blue.rahul.net...
> In article
<5c43bc37-d461-444e-9be0-5776b0196a4c@g39g2000pri.googlegroups.com >,
> topset72 <topset72@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >There are many practical reasons the owners don't want to identify
> >themselves.
>
> Oh sure. But there are even more reasons why the guys
> who own the site shouldn't be playing on it for real money.
> My gripe was less that they weren't identified, and more
> that they shouldn't have been doing it at all.
>
> Stars has a really strict policy about people associated
> with the site and their family members not playing for
> real money. Full Tilt seems to have no such policy. I
> voted with my wallet.

My favorite FullTilt story is when someone pretending to be my friend, who
had not contacted me for years, e-mailed me that I was upsetting people at
FullTilt (who I had met personally) regarding statements I was making on
r.g.p. There was a veiled threat that I'd rather be on good terms with these
people or lose my friendships with vaunted players, but they had to search
hard just to find a person who had shook my hand. Meanwhile I stand by what
I feel and state it plainly: Online poker is completely compromised at every
level and you have a far better chance live than online. Even if you're
winning, you're just staying ahead of a burning rope. People making money
online anyway may like to just ignore it, but on top of that I've stated my
opinion many times that whatever the Attorney General says is illegal in the
US, is illegal in the US. Yes, it could be made explicitly legal, but we're
not there yet.

tvp




   
Date: 14 Jan 2009 12:38:05
From: Mark B [Diputsur]
Subject: Re: Please give me a reason to trust Fulltiltpoker.com

"Scott/sjakma" <scott@scottadams.com > wrote in message
news:7asv36x3cj.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 13 2009 8:16 PM, Patti Beadles wrote:
>
>> In article <9vov36x2bi.ln2@recgroups.com>,
>> La Cosa Nostradamus <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>> >i absolutely cannot think of one reason to trust the place.
>>
>
> Out of curiousity, what was the ethics violation? I do not normally play
> there except for RGP tournaments. My only reason for not playing is the
> interface.

She's mentioned numerous times that she doesn't approve of them
allowing part owners to play on the site... or something.

If I owned FTP, I'd sell her email address too! =)




    
Date: 14 Jan 2009 10:37:48
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Please give me a reason to trust Fulltiltpoker.com
On Jan 14 2009 11:38 AM, Mark B [Diputsur] wrote:

> She's mentioned numerous times that she doesn't approve of them
> allowing part owners to play on the site... or something.

The thing that caught me in that thread (August 22, 2004 btw) was Perry
Friedman's comment about the pros not being able to keep their tourney
winnings. That would mean that the site freerolls them into the tourneys
and any money won goes back to the site. If that's the case, I definitely
see where someone could have a major problem with that.

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Date: 14 Jan 2009 18:53:14
From: Patti Beadles
Subject: Re: Please give me a reason to trust Fulltiltpoker.com
In article <s0o146xfjq.ln2@recgroups.com >,
XaQ Morphy <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>The thing that caught me in that thread (August 22, 2004 btw) was Perry
>Friedman's comment about the pros not being able to keep their tourney
>winnings. That would mean that the site freerolls them into the tourneys
>and any money won goes back to the site. If that's the case, I definitely
>see where someone could have a major problem with that.

Actually, my problem wasn't the pros. They're identified
as such, and you can make your own decisions about playing
against them.

My problem was with people who I knew to be principals of
the site, but who weren't identified as such. It was only
because I knew the people and knew something about the site
that I could pick them out. If I'd been J Random Cusomer,
I would have never known that the guy sitting next to me,
the one who kept chatting things like, "Woohoo! I love this
site!", was one of the owners.

-Patti
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Date: 14 Jan 2009 11:30:37
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Please give me a reason to trust Fulltiltpoker.com
On Jan 14 2009 12:53 PM, Patti Beadles wrote:

> Actually, my problem wasn't the pros. They're identified
> as such, and you can make your own decisions about playing
> against them.
>
> My problem was with people who I knew to be principals of
> the site, but who weren't identified as such. It was only
> because I knew the people and knew something about the site
> that I could pick them out. If I'd been J Random Cusomer,
> I would have never known that the guy sitting next to me,
> the one who kept chatting things like, "Woohoo! I love this
> site!", was one of the owners.

Ahh yeah now I remember reading about that, but it didn't stand out to me
as much as the tourney thing did. Yeah that doesn't make sense why they
wouldn't be a "red name" pro in that case.

I doubt you ever played on gamesgrid, but the main programmer/marketing
guy or whatever he did, Red I think his handle was, he would sit all day
long playing games for money against everyone else. No one seemed at all
concerned that the guy had local server access yet was playing along with
the customers on the site. Then again I don't think the site was ever in
any danger of making any money, much less stealing any from its customers.

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Date: 14 Jan 2009 02:08:25
From: Patti Beadles
Subject: Re: Please give me a reason to trust Fulltiltpoker.com
In article <7asv36x3cj.ln2@recgroups.com >,
Scott/sjakma <scott@scottadams.com > wrote:

>Out of curiousity, what was the ethics violation?

Did you read the footnote? I don't want to rehash the issue,
but it should be easy enough to find by searching archives.
I gave you a pretty narrow date range, but "August 21, 2004"
will narrow it down more.

-Patti
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Date: 13 Jan 2009 17:07:31
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Please give me a reason to trust Fulltiltpoker.com
On Jan 13 2009 6:41 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:

> i absolutely cannot think of one reason to trust the place.

Ooh ooh here's one:

http://www.recgroups.com/a/1/1351161/

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Date: 13 Jan 2009 17:14:38
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: Please give me a reason to trust Fulltiltpoker.com
On Jan 13, 5:07=A0pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 13 2009 6:41 PM, La =A0Cosa =A0Nostradamus wrote:


RGP is drawing dead!


> > i absolutely cannot think of one reason to trust the place.
>
> Ooh ooh here's one:
>
> http://www.recgroups.com/a/1/1351161/
>
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