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Date: 20 Jan 2009 04:31:30
From: Travel A
Subject: Pennsylvania judge says: Poker is a skill game.
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Date: 20 Jan 2009 16:49:03
From: seedless
Subject: Re: Pennsylvania judge says: Poker is a skill game.
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http://www.casinocitytimes.com/news/article.cfm?ContentId=176692&issue=1-19-09&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=POKER&utm_campaign=1-19-09
Penn. judge: Poker is a skill game
19 January 2009
COLUMBIA COUNTY, Pennsylvania -— As reported by Poker News Daily: "In a
ruling handed down by Pennsylvania Judge Thomas A. James Jr. in Columbia
County on Friday, it was ruled that Texas Hold'em is a game of skill and
therefore not gambling under state law. The ruling sets an 'excellent bar'
for future poker litigation, according to Poker Players Alliance (PPA)
Executive Director John Pappas.
"The basic question, according to Judge James' ruling, is whether poker is
dominated by chance or skill. He commented 'Simply, if chance
predominates, Texas Hold'em is gambling. If skill predominates, it is not
gambling.'
"In Pennsylvania, video poker machines are not allowed because their
outcomes are primarily due to chance, not skill. In the case of Texas
Hold'em, however, Judge James explained that extensive literature exists
that describes winning strategies to play the game. He even cited Mike
Caro's 'Secrets of Winning Poker' by saying, 'the money flows from the bad
players to the strong players.'
"In his ruling, Judge James explains that the 'dominant factor test' has
traditionally applied to games of skill and cites multiple mathematical
studies that prove it, including one linking 'poker and economics.' An
included study even explained that players receive equal amounts of
premier and lackluster starting hands. However, 'Beginning poker players
rely on big hands and lucky draws. Expert poker players use their skills
to minimize their losses on their bad hands and maximize their profits on
their big hands.'
"In the end, Judge James asserts, 'It is apparent that skill predominates
over chance in Texas Hold'em poker...'"
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Date: 21 Jan 2009 11:28:09
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: Pennsylvania judge says: Poker is a skill game.
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On Jan 20 2009 7:49 PM, seedless wrote:
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http://www.casinocitytimes.com/news/article.cfm?ContentId=176692&issue=1-19-09&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=POKER&utm_campaign=1-19-09
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> Penn. judge: Poker is a skill game
> 19 January 2009
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> COLUMBIA COUNTY, Pennsylvania -— As reported by Poker News Daily: "In a
> ruling handed down by Pennsylvania Judge Thomas A. James Jr. in Columbia
> County on Friday, it was ruled that Texas Hold'em is a game of skill and
> therefore not gambling under state law. The ruling sets an 'excellent bar'
> for future poker litigation, according to Poker Players Alliance (PPA)
> Executive Director John Pappas.
>
> "The basic question, according to Judge James' ruling, is whether poker is
> dominated by chance or skill. He commented 'Simply, if chance
> predominates, Texas Hold'em is gambling. If skill predominates, it is not
> gambling.'
>
> "In Pennsylvania, video poker machines are not allowed because their
> outcomes are primarily due to chance, not skill. In the case of Texas
> Hold'em, however, Judge James explained that extensive literature exists
> that describes winning strategies to play the game. He even cited Mike
> Caro's 'Secrets of Winning Poker' by saying, 'the money flows from the bad
> players to the strong players.'
>
> "In his ruling, Judge James explains that the 'dominant factor test' has
> traditionally applied to games of skill and cites multiple mathematical
> studies that prove it, including one linking 'poker and economics.' An
> included study even explained that players receive equal amounts of
> premier and lackluster starting hands. However, 'Beginning poker players
> rely on big hands and lucky draws. Expert poker players use their skills
> to minimize their losses on their bad hands and maximize their profits on
> their big hands.'
>
> "In the end, Judge James asserts, 'It is apparent that skill predominates
> over chance in Texas Hold'em poker...'"
It sucks that he specified Texas Hold'em. What about the other poker
games like Omaha? Does that mean every flavor of poker needs its own
case?
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Date: 20 Jan 2009 16:03:56
From: Mark Stringer
Subject: Re: Pennsylvania judge says: Poker is a skill game.
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Not the way I play it it ain't. :)
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Date: 20 Jan 2009 16:45:19
From: Robert Ladd
Subject: Re: Pennsylvania judge says: Poker is a skill game.
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"Travel A" <nine510@webtv.net > wrote in message
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> http://www.casinocitytimes.com/news/article.cfm?ContentId=176692&issue=1-19-09&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=POKER&utm_campaign=1-19-09
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Any judge that cites a study that "explained that players receive equal
amounts of premier and lackluster starting hands" demonstrates that he has
no clue about randomness, nor the depth of the randomness.
Robert Ladd
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Date: 20 Jan 2009 18:13:17
From: MZB
Subject: Re: Pennsylvania judge says: Poker is a skill game.
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Nice article, good ruling.
Now we can await the world is coming to a moral end refrain
Mel
"Travel A" <nine510@webtv.net > wrote in message
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Date: 20 Jan 2009 05:30:11
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: Pennsylvania judge says: Poker is a skill game.
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On Jan 20 2009 4:31 AM, Travel A wrote:
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http://www.casinocitytimes.com/news/article.cfm?ContentId=176692&issue=1-19-09&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=POKER&utm_campaign=1-19-09
Do they differentiate between MTTs and cash games?
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