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Date: 12 Feb 2009 20:32:43
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Obama - the man.
You may have already seen this but if you haven't it's well worth the read:

"February 11, 2009
Murphy's Law, the Peter Principle and Barack Obama
By Kyle-Anne Shiver

What happens when everything that can go wrong in a person's character
formation does go wrong, and that person continues to be promoted to his
level of incompetence?

President Barack Obama happens.

I'm well into my sixth decade of life and have yet to see a more perfect
collision of Murphy's Law with the Peter Principle in a single individual.

Proper character development is the overriding aim of good parents in
raising their children. Mature parents, especially those Judeo/Christian
parents with faith, believe it sinful to raise a child without strong
self-constraint, a well-formed conscience, ingrained humility and an
ironclad respect for the rights of others. Children raised thusly become
self-supporting adults, honest in their dealings with others and prone to be
contributing members of the society at large.

The world is purely chock full of bad parents, however. Plum chock full.

Barack Obama was conceived out of wedlock to an eighteen year-old girl, who
was herself the product of non-religious, rebellious parents, intent on
unraveling the fabric of WASP America. Stanley Ann Dunham met Barack Obama
Sr., an already-married African Muslim man, in a Russian language class at
the University of Hawaii in her very first year there. According to
President Obama's memoir, his biological father married his mother about
three months into the pregnancy, even though he already had a wife and
children on his home continent. Hence, very shortly, the father abandoned
the new mother and her child to seek his own fortune and yet another
wife-to-be at Harvard.

Bigamists are not known for fidelity, are they?

The end result of this convoluted beginning of the man who would become
President was that his maternal grandparents became his primary caregivers.
With the very best of intentions, I'm sure, these white grandparents doted,
scraped and groveled to make the little abandoned child's life as
picture-perfect as it could possibly be under the awful circumstances of
parental abandonment. This is a recipe for disaster in the area of
character development.

Believing that the child, Barry, needed lots of attention and as few hard
knocks as possible, these grandparents proceeded to spoil the ever-living
daylights out of the precocious, charismatic, bi-racial child of their only
daughter. Through his grandmother's connections, Barry got a scholarship to
the elite Panahou Academy and became one of only five black children in the
posh school, where teachers, too, bent over backwards not to offend, not to
discipline. For added umph to this already-disastrous formula, Barry's
grandfather made sure the child got lots of father-figure mentoring from a
self-proclaimed pedophile and avowed communist, Frank Marshall Davis.

As a young teenager, surrounded by opportunities for drug abuse and
tomfoolery, Barry bragged that he had a deal with his doting grandparents
which entailed his being able to do whatever he wanted while they looked the
other way and pretended not to notice.

After all, they surely reasoned, this pitiful little boy had enough pain in
his life.

Paying consequences for delinquent behavior would have been entirely too
much. Too much. Oh, just too much to bear.

As President Obama's school transcripts (all of them, from start to finish!)
remain among his stack of unreleased documents, we have no way of knowing
how our current President did in school. However, we do know that he was
doing drugs, that he was not involved in any demanding athletic program and
that he was not otherwise making a big name for himself on campus. We know
also that Obama's first gig on the mainland was at Occidental College, which
is a fine school I am sure, but far from Ivy League. I'm fairly certain
that those grades at Panahou were nothing to brag about, and there is no
evidence whatsoever that there was anything else to brag about either.

At Occidental, however, young Barry Obama discovered the one gift that would
eventually make up for all other deficiencies: his oratorical talent.
Coupled with natural charisma and an Eddie-Haskell styled ability to guile,
Barry Obama had arrived.

This was the story hailed by Axelrod as bedrock, middle-class, Kansan
upbringing.

And 52% of the American electorate bought it faster than you can say
prime-Florida-swampland-with-a-view-sold-to-dumber-than-dumb-Yankees.

Barry Obama made his entrance into mainland politics by frequenting all the
Occidental socialist clubs, rallies and protests, and the first time he took
to a podium, his rhetorical talent unveiled itself. Then, it was off to
Columbia and a shadow existence, which eventually culminated in President
Barack Obama, the first African-American President and the first man to ever
assume the highest office in the land without one whit of experience other
than running for office and beguiling a public begging to be beguiled.

Along the always-sunny yellow brick road to the White House, Barry was
hailed as brilliant-beyond-brilliant, the veritable savior of his people and
in the words of his now Vice President, a "clean, articulate and bright"
black man. Nowhere, at any time during Barack Obama's near-miraculous rise
to power, did he come into contact with anyone that would have demanded a
character test.

The characters in this President's closet are too strange for fiction --
Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezko, the New Party, Billy Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn,
Louis Farrakhan, Mayor Daly, Rod Blagojevich, George Soros, assorted tax
cheats and pay-to-play schemers of every variety. When any sentient person
adds it up, he gets a man without principle, someone so enabled in his
avoidance of reality about himself that one can only call it Murphy's Law
applied to character development.

Every single thing that could go wrong has indeed gone wrong.

Enter a mainstream media so swept off its feet with tingles and its own
utter lack of religiosity -- a group purely primed for false-savior
seeking -- and what one could call the Murphy's Law of picking a President
is perfectly, positively, poignantly complete.

From Stage right and Stage left, and from below and above, we see the Peter
Principle in all its inglorious dimensions set to wreak havoc upon this
entire Country.

In only three weeks' time, this President has signaled to every terrorist on
the planet that we are a sorry, groveling, ashamed Nation ready to come to
the diplomatic confessional. He is closing Gitmo within one year, has
suspended trials there, and dismissed the charges against the U.S.S. Cole
plotter. American penance is coming and it's coming fast and feebly on its
knees.

President Obama has just put our money where his mouth is and is using $20.3
million to bring in Palestinian refugees from Gaza, the Hamas-controlled
region where folks prefer bomb-making to bread-baking. Instead of helping
Israel defeat them, this President brings them here.

As if we did not have enough home-grown terrorists.

The new politics of "hope & change" is looking like a Hollywood remake of
"Larger-than-life Dopes and Same-ole-same-ole Corruptocrats" with tax cheats
flanking the new Cabinet, an Attorney General who never saw a pardon he
didn't like or a terrorist he couldn't love, a porn-protection guru as his
Deputy, and a man without an ounce of intelligence knowledge or experience
now the wartime head of the CIA. Add to this mess a Secretary of State
whose husband owes far more than any other American alive to foreigners.
The new Secretary of Education was in charge of Chicago schools, where more
than 500 verified acts of child battering by teachers went unpunished and
teacher unions trumped student rights. This Cabinet is shaping up to be
worse than Bill Clinton's and Jimmy Carter's combined, while President Obama
throws cocktail parties with $100/pound steak.

President Obama's definition of bipartisanship: "I won."

President Obama's definition of leadership: "Nancy can handle the details."

Our new President had the gall to pronounce the so-called economic stimulus
bill absolutely free of "earmarks" and "make-do work," while spinning his
prosaic campaign rhetoric before an international audience in a prime-time
"press conference." This bill has close to a trillion-dollar price tag, but
according to the Congressional Budget Office will do worse to our overall
economy than no government action whatsoever. So, if this bill has no pork
or earmarks in it, then it is pure socialist folderol run amok before it
even gets implemented - in the face of the "worst economic crisis since the
Great Depression."

The Peter Principle has reached its pinnacle in President Barack Obama.

If one wants a hawks-eye view into the minds of Obama voters, all one need
do is read this
http://warner.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/05/sometimes-a-president-is-just-a-president/
published by the New York Times last week, detailing the fantasies, dreams
and drooling-envy delusions of his followers. Their celebrity is now their
President.

The perfect collision of Murphy's Law with the Peter Principle has arrived
to explode in our faces.

In the words of Britain's most eloquent commentator, "America, what have you
done?"


Irish Mike








 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 13:01:32
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
Mike...

From what nut rag did you dig up this load of vomit?

I could write the same article about Bush and substitute details from
his Nazi-collaborating grandfather to his repressive battle axe
mother.

What's the point?


 
Date: 13 Feb 2009 07:39:02
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
> By Kyle-Anne Shiver

http://www.kyleanneshiver.com/about/

A number of readers have asked about my unusual name. The pure Anglo
Saxon, usually male name, put together with a female Christian Saint name
seems a bit confusing, I admit.

My given name is “Kyle.” I took the name, “Anne,” when I converted to
Catholicism at age 30, now 26 years ago. Saint Anne was the mother of the
Blessed Virgin Mary.

It is written that Saint Anne and her husband, Saint Joachim waited nearly
twenty years for the birth of their only child, and that when their
blessed-among-all-women daughter was born, Saint Anne was past
child-bearing age and had given up hope. The year my husband and I
converted to Catholicism, we too had been waiting nearly ten years for the
hoped-for arrival of a second child. Perhaps I took the name of Saint
Anne, hoping that her intercessions would bring me a similar joy to hers.
And within a few years’ time, my husband and I did indeed bear a lovely
daughter to go with our ferocious son.

Even though we had yearned for many children, God gave us only two. I
tell our kids that He gave us quality, rather than the quantity we were
seeking. And it is true; they are both admirable young people.

I use both names when signing my writing to signify for my readers both
the fact that I am not male, but rather female, and that I am a Christian
above all else.

My family tree is littered with artists, writers and a few musicians, and
I spent all of my years as a full-time mom, supplementing our income with
the sale of my paintings. My mother is an artist, and I learned to paint
before I could read, so it came very naturally. Painting has been
important and somewhat fulfilling, but writing is my passion.

Fifteen years ago, I had a first novel published and really believed it
would be a success; it wasn’t. For a decade I quietly wrote fiction that
few people ever read, and piled up a nice collection of rejection slips.
I might be piling them up still, if not for events far away and out of my
control.

My life changed on September 11, 2001, our generation’s “Day of Infamy.”
I had been on the front lines of the culture war every day raising our
children, but when I saw those planes hit in NYC and DC, I was driven past
grief to know how in the world we ended up in the mess we are in now.

I spent five years book-worming my way through the Koran and many other
volumes about Mohammed and Islam. That took me into the political realm
to learn all I could about the leaders whose fateful decisions seemed to
weaken America’s defenses and empower the enemies of our civilization.

Finally, I put all else aside and devoted myself to reading and writing,
using every ounce of my energy to apply my God-given common sense and
forty years of Christian discipleship into the service of my Country
through the power of the pen. This war will take many and varied soldiers
to win; I hope to be one of them.


==========================================
You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
==============================
47.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
JBK

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Date: 13 Feb 2009 13:15:25
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
So basically she-he's a batshit 9/11 PTSD case


 
Date: 12 Feb 2009 19:25:40
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
On Feb 12 2009 5:32 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> You may have already seen this but if you haven't it's well worth the read:
>
> "February 11, 2009
> Murphy's Law, the Peter Principle and Barack Obama
> By Kyle-Anne Shiver


Read this one too:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/why-george-w-bush-reminds-me-of-abraham-lincoln/

George Bush reminds her of Abraham Lincoln!?!?!!?!?

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Date: 13 Feb 2009 12:17:14
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
On Feb 13, 11:57=A0am, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net > wrote:
> "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cebed6d0-62e1-47b5-a7e1-b8fadb584157@a12g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >> > This is such obvious McCarthyite guilt-by-association bullshit. Real=
ly
> >> > makes me sick.
>
> >> I would agree but the list keeps growing everyday.
> >That's because there is a never-ending supply of McCarthyite guilt-by-
> >association bullshit.
>
> >> At what point does smoke turn into fire?
> >At what point does adding more bullshit create a fact?
> >- Bob T.
>
> You think its bullshit - a lot of people don't.

There are a lot of people who are completely gullible when it comes to
a certain kind of bullshit. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Mike

- Bob T.


   
Date: 13 Feb 2009 14:29:47
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.

"Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote in message
news:4765482d-040a-4263-9350-b576e0bab87e@r37g2000prr.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 13, 11:57 am, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net > wrote:
> "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cebed6d0-62e1-47b5-a7e1-b8fadb584157@a12g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >> > This is such obvious McCarthyite guilt-by-association bullshit.
> >> > Really
> >> > makes me sick.
>
> >> I would agree but the list keeps growing everyday.
> >That's because there is a never-ending supply of McCarthyite guilt-by-
> >association bullshit.
>
> >> At what point does smoke turn into fire?
> >At what point does adding more bullshit create a fact?
> >- Bob T.
>
> You think its bullshit - a lot of people don't.

There are a lot of people who are completely gullible when it comes to
a certain kind of bullshit. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Mike

- Bob T.

LOL I actually clicked the link




  
Date: 13 Feb 2009 11:49:29
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
On Feb 13, 9:24=A0am, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net > wrote:
> "JerseyRudy" <a44f...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:erkg66xnfi.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 13 2009 11:23 AM, Susan wrote:
>
> >> "JerseyRudy" <a44f...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> >>news:9qhg66x30i.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> > On Feb 13 2009 10:16 AM, Susan wrote:
>
> >> >> I read both of them. =A0While obviously spun to the right, what is
> >> >> factually
> >> >> wrong in either of them?
>
> >> > The part about Obama's grandparents being "rebellious parents, inten=
t
> >> > on
> >> > unraveling the fabric of WASP America." =A0Do you have any evidence =
that
> >> > this is factually accurate. I know for a fact that Obama's grandfath=
er
> >> > fought for the US during WWII. What's the evidence to support the
> >> > "fact"
> >> > that he was intent on unraveling the fabric of WASP America?
>
> >> Don't know - I find nothing reliable for either side of that *argument=
*
>
> >> > Then there is the crap about Frank Marshall Davis, which comes from =
the
> >> > largely discredited anti-Obama book (smear job) "The Obama Nation." =
=A0I
> >> > don't see anything about Mr. Davis on the internet that would
> >> > substantiate
> >> > the charge that he was =A0a"self-proclaimed pedophile." =A0As for th=
e claim
> >> > that he was Obama's "mentor", this is total BS. Obama wrote this abo=
ut
> >> > Mr.
> >> > Davis in his autobiography: "Frank" told Obama that he and Stanley
> >> > (Obama's maternal grandfather) both had grown up only 50 miles apart=
,
> >> > near
> >> > Wichita, although they did not meet until Hawaii. He described the w=
ay
> >> > race relations were back then, including Jim Crow, and his view that
> >> > there
> >> > had been little progress since then. As Obama remembered, "It made m=
e
> >> > smile, thinking back on Frank and his old Black Power, dashiki self.=
In
> >> > some ways he was as incurable as my mother, as certain in his faith,
> >> > living in the same sixties time warp that Hawaii had created."[14]
> >> > Obama
> >> > also remembered Frank later in life when he took a job in South Chic=
ago
> >> > as
> >> > a community organizer when he took some time one day and visited the
> >> > areas
> >> > where Frank had lived and wrote in his book, "I imagined Frank in a
> >> > baggy
> >> > suit and wide lapels, standing in front of the old Regal Theatre,
> >> > waiting
> >> > to see Duke or Ella emerge from a gig." [15]
>
> >> > Obama is making fun of "Frank." =A0To say that Frank was Obama's men=
tor
> >> > is
> >> > total crap.
>
> >> > There's more, but this piece of trash is not worth any more time.
>
> >> I'm not sure what is considered proof or not. =A0This is an excerpt fr=
om an
> >> blog that quotes part of Obamas book, but I don't have it so can't ver=
ify
> >> or
> >> not.
>
> >http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/loudon-obama%E2%80...
>
> >> In his 1995 book, Dreams From My Father, Barack Obama describes a
> >> relationship he had with "Frank," when Obama lived in Hawaii, and how =
he
> >> went to "Frank" for advice about college, racial matters, and other
> >> lessons
> >> of life. So, just who is this mysterious Frank, who so deeply influenc=
ed
> >> the
> >> life of Barack Obama?
>
> > It really is not worth any more time. You specifically asked if there w=
ere
> > any factual inaccuracies in the initial hack piece that was posted, and=
I
> > gave you some. Even if we stipulate that Obama went to this man for
> > "advice" when he was growing up, that doesn't address any of the factua=
l
> > errors.
>
> Rudy - you gave me 2, and then you stipulated one of them.
>
> I never asked for YOU to take time to address my question. =A0I never ask=
ed
> for you to respond in the first place.
>
> > This is such obvious McCarthyite guilt-by-association bullshit. Really
> > makes me sick.
>
> I would agree but the list keeps growing everyday.

That's because there is a never-ending supply of McCarthyite guilt-by-
association bullshit.
>
> At what point does smoke turn into fire?

At what point does adding more bullshit create a fact?

- Bob T.
>
> - Show quoted text -



   
Date: 13 Feb 2009 13:57:35
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.

"Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote in message
news:cebed6d0-62e1-47b5-a7e1-b8fadb584157@a12g2000pro.googlegroups.com...


>
>> > This is such obvious McCarthyite guilt-by-association bullshit. Really
>> > makes me sick.
>
>> I would agree but the list keeps growing everyday.

>That's because there is a never-ending supply of McCarthyite guilt-by-
>association bullshit.
>
>> At what point does smoke turn into fire?

>At what point does adding more bullshit create a fact?

>- Bob T.

You think its bullshit - a lot of people don't.




  
Date: 13 Feb 2009 09:10:23
From:
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
On Feb 13, 10:10=A0am, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net > wrote:
> <tranger...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:905c3fbc-7232-4e24-9e73-042098222b3b@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 13, 9:52 am, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > <tranger...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:3bc8bd0d-54a3-4dc6-95f5-e814b2e86d56@u1g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> > On Feb 13, 9:16 am, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> > > I read both of them. While obviously spun to the right, what is
> > > factually
> > > wrong in either of them?
>
> > > "Porsche_Dan" <porsche....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:kq5f66xkpb.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> > > > On Feb 12 2009 5:32 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> > > >> You may have already seen this but if you haven't it's well worth =
the
> > > >> read:
>
> > > >> "February 11, 2009
> > > >> Murphy's Law, the Peter Principle and Barack Obama
> > > >> By Kyle-Anne Shiver
>
> > > > Read this one too:
>
> > > >http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/why-george-w-bush-reminds-me-of-abraham=
-...
>
> > > > George Bush reminds her of Abraham Lincoln!?!?!!?!?
>
> > > > ___________________________________________________________________=
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> > > > quoted text -
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> > > - Show quoted text -
> > >Maybe judging someone because they were born to a single mom? But if
> > >you dont find that offensive...
>
> > Didn't say I don't find that offensive. That is statistically true. My
> > daughter was a single Mom.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
> >Does her child have "poor character formation" due to having a single
> >mom?
>
> No, but that doesn't dipute the statistics.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The statistics say your gradchild probably does have poor character
formation (at least according to this article). I'm sorry.


  
Date: 13 Feb 2009 07:58:20
From:
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
On Feb 13, 9:52=A0am, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net > wrote:
> <tranger...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3bc8bd0d-54a3-4dc6-95f5-e814b2e86d56@u1g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 13, 9:16 am, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I read both of them. While obviously spun to the right, what is factual=
ly
> > wrong in either of them?
>
> > "Porsche_Dan" <porsche....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:kq5f66xkpb.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> > > On Feb 12 2009 5:32 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> > >> You may have already seen this but if you haven't it's well worth th=
e
> > >> read:
>
> > >> "February 11, 2009
> > >> Murphy's Law, the Peter Principle and Barack Obama
> > >> By Kyle-Anne Shiver
>
> > > Read this one too:
>
> > >http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/why-george-w-bush-reminds-me-of-abraham-.=
..
>
> > > George Bush reminds her of Abraham Lincoln!?!?!!?!?
>
> > > _____________________________________________________________________=
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e
> > > quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
> >Maybe judging someone because they were born to a single mom? =A0But if
> >you dont find that offensive...
>
> Didn't say I don't find that offensive. =A0That is statistically true. =
=A0My
> daughter was a single Mom.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Does her child have "poor character formation" due to having a single
mom?


   
Date: 13 Feb 2009 10:10:31
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.

<trangers16@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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On Feb 13, 9:52 am, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net > wrote:
> <tranger...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3bc8bd0d-54a3-4dc6-95f5-e814b2e86d56@u1g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 13, 9:16 am, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I read both of them. While obviously spun to the right, what is
> > factually
> > wrong in either of them?
>
> > "Porsche_Dan" <porsche....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:kq5f66xkpb.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> > > On Feb 12 2009 5:32 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> > >> You may have already seen this but if you haven't it's well worth the
> > >> read:
>
> > >> "February 11, 2009
> > >> Murphy's Law, the Peter Principle and Barack Obama
> > >> By Kyle-Anne Shiver
>
> > > Read this one too:
>
> > >http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/why-george-w-bush-reminds-me-of-abraham-...
>
> > > George Bush reminds her of Abraham Lincoln!?!?!!?!?
>
> > > ______________________________________________________________________
> > > * kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more..www.recgroups.com-Hide
> > > quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
> >Maybe judging someone because they were born to a single mom? But if
> >you dont find that offensive...
>
> Didn't say I don't find that offensive. That is statistically true. My
> daughter was a single Mom.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

>Does her child have "poor character formation" due to having a single
>mom?

No, but that doesn't dipute the statistics.




    
Date: 13 Feb 2009 11:35:18
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
On Feb 13 2009 11:10 AM, Susan wrote:

> <trangers16@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:905c3fbc-7232-4e24-9e73-042098222b3b@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 13, 9:52 am, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > <tranger...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:3bc8bd0d-54a3-4dc6-95f5-e814b2e86d56@u1g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> > On Feb 13, 9:16 am, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > I read both of them. While obviously spun to the right, what is
> > > factually
> > > wrong in either of them?
> >
> > > "Porsche_Dan" <porsche....@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > >news:kq5f66xkpb.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >
> > > > On Feb 12 2009 5:32 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >
> > > >> You may have already seen this but if you haven't it's well worth the
> > > >> read:
> >
> > > >> "February 11, 2009
> > > >> Murphy's Law, the Peter Principle and Barack Obama
> > > >> By Kyle-Anne Shiver
> >
> > > > Read this one too:
> >
> > > >http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/why-george-w-bush-reminds-me-of-abraham-...
> >
> > > > George Bush reminds her of Abraham Lincoln!?!?!!?!?
> >
> quoted text -
> >
> > > - Show quoted text -
> > >Maybe judging someone because they were born to a single mom? But if
> > >you dont find that offensive...
> >
> > Didn't say I don't find that offensive. That is statistically true. My
> > daughter was a single Mom.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> >Does her child have "poor character formation" due to having a single
> >mom?
>
> No, but that doesn't dipute the statistics.

No, statistics disputes the statistics.

knowing the distribution of character flaws among children of single moms
tells you nothing at all about character flaws in one specific (not
randomly chosen) child of a single mom. No information value at all.

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Date: 13 Feb 2009 07:37:37
From:
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
On Feb 13, 9:16=A0am, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net > wrote:
> I read both of them. =A0While obviously spun to the right, what is factua=
lly
> wrong in either of them?
>
> "Porsche_Dan" <porsche....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:kq5f66xkpb.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 12 2009 5:32 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> >> You may have already seen this but if you haven't it's well worth the
> >> read:
>
> >> "February 11, 2009
> >> Murphy's Law, the Peter Principle and Barack Obama
> >> By Kyle-Anne Shiver
>
> > Read this one too:
>
> >http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/why-george-w-bush-reminds-me-of-abraham-...
>
> > George Bush reminds her of Abraham Lincoln!?!?!!?!?
>
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> - Show quoted text -

Maybe judging someone because they were born to a single mom? But if
you dont find that offensive...


   
Date: 13 Feb 2009 09:52:12
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.

<trangers16@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:3bc8bd0d-54a3-4dc6-95f5-e814b2e86d56@u1g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 13, 9:16 am, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net > wrote:
> I read both of them. While obviously spun to the right, what is factually
> wrong in either of them?
>
> "Porsche_Dan" <porsche....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:kq5f66xkpb.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 12 2009 5:32 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> >> You may have already seen this but if you haven't it's well worth the
> >> read:
>
> >> "February 11, 2009
> >> Murphy's Law, the Peter Principle and Barack Obama
> >> By Kyle-Anne Shiver
>
> > Read this one too:
>
> >http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/why-george-w-bush-reminds-me-of-abraham-...
>
> > George Bush reminds her of Abraham Lincoln!?!?!!?!?
>
> > ______________________________________________________________________
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> > quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

>Maybe judging someone because they were born to a single mom? But if
>you dont find that offensive...

Didn't say I don't find that offensive. That is statistically true. My
daughter was a single Mom.





  
Date: 13 Feb 2009 09:16:56
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
I read both of them. While obviously spun to the right, what is factually
wrong in either of them?


"Porsche_Dan" <porsche.dan@gmail.com > wrote in message
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> On Feb 12 2009 5:32 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
>> You may have already seen this but if you haven't it's well worth the
>> read:
>>
>> "February 11, 2009
>> Murphy's Law, the Peter Principle and Barack Obama
>> By Kyle-Anne Shiver
>
>
> Read this one too:
>
> http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/why-george-w-bush-reminds-me-of-abraham-lincoln/
>
> George Bush reminds her of Abraham Lincoln!?!?!!?!?
>
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Date: 13 Feb 2009 07:56:25
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
On Feb 13 2009 10:16 AM, Susan wrote:

> I read both of them. While obviously spun to the right, what is factually
> wrong in either of them?

The part about Obama's grandparents being "rebellious parents, intent on
unraveling the fabric of WASP America." Do you have any evidence that
this is factually accurate. I know for a fact that Obama's grandfather
fought for the US during WWII. What's the evidence to support the "fact"
that he was intent on unraveling the fabric of WASP America?

Then there is the crap about Frank Marshall Davis, which comes from the
largely discredited anti-Obama book (smear job) "The Obama Nation." I
don't see anything about Mr. Davis on the internet that would substantiate
the charge that he was a"self-proclaimed pedophile." As for the claim
that he was Obama's "mentor", this is total BS. Obama wrote this about Mr.
Davis in his autobiography: "Frank" told Obama that he and Stanley
(Obama's maternal grandfather) both had grown up only 50 miles apart, near
Wichita, although they did not meet until Hawaii. He described the way
race relations were back then, including Jim Crow, and his view that there
had been little progress since then. As Obama remembered, "It made me
smile, thinking back on Frank and his old Black Power, dashiki self. In
some ways he was as incurable as my mother, as certain in his faith,
living in the same sixties time warp that Hawaii had created."[14] Obama
also remembered Frank later in life when he took a job in South Chicago as
a community organizer when he took some time one day and visited the areas
where Frank had lived and wrote in his book, "I imagined Frank in a baggy
suit and wide lapels, standing in front of the old Regal Theatre, waiting
to see Duke or Ella emerge from a gig." [15]

Obama is making fun of "Frank." To say that Frank was Obama's mentor is
total crap.

There's more, but this piece of trash is not worth any more time.

>
> "Porsche_Dan" <porsche.dan@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kq5f66xkpb.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Feb 12 2009 5:32 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >
> >> You may have already seen this but if you haven't it's well worth the
> >> read:
> >>
> >> "February 11, 2009
> >> Murphy's Law, the Peter Principle and Barack Obama
> >> By Kyle-Anne Shiver
> >
> >
> > Read this one too:
> >
> >
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/why-george-w-bush-reminds-me-of-abraham-lincoln/
> >
> > George Bush reminds her of Abraham Lincoln!?!?!!?!?
> >

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Date: 13 Feb 2009 10:23:53
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.

"JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:9qhg66x30i.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 13 2009 10:16 AM, Susan wrote:
>
>> I read both of them. While obviously spun to the right, what is
>> factually
>> wrong in either of them?
>
> The part about Obama's grandparents being "rebellious parents, intent on
> unraveling the fabric of WASP America." Do you have any evidence that
> this is factually accurate. I know for a fact that Obama's grandfather
> fought for the US during WWII. What's the evidence to support the "fact"
> that he was intent on unraveling the fabric of WASP America?

Don't know - I find nothing reliable for either side of that *argument*

> Then there is the crap about Frank Marshall Davis, which comes from the
> largely discredited anti-Obama book (smear job) "The Obama Nation." I
> don't see anything about Mr. Davis on the internet that would substantiate
> the charge that he was a"self-proclaimed pedophile." As for the claim
> that he was Obama's "mentor", this is total BS. Obama wrote this about Mr.
> Davis in his autobiography: "Frank" told Obama that he and Stanley
> (Obama's maternal grandfather) both had grown up only 50 miles apart, near
> Wichita, although they did not meet until Hawaii. He described the way
> race relations were back then, including Jim Crow, and his view that there
> had been little progress since then. As Obama remembered, "It made me
> smile, thinking back on Frank and his old Black Power, dashiki self. In
> some ways he was as incurable as my mother, as certain in his faith,
> living in the same sixties time warp that Hawaii had created."[14] Obama
> also remembered Frank later in life when he took a job in South Chicago as
> a community organizer when he took some time one day and visited the areas
> where Frank had lived and wrote in his book, "I imagined Frank in a baggy
> suit and wide lapels, standing in front of the old Regal Theatre, waiting
> to see Duke or Ella emerge from a gig." [15]
>
> Obama is making fun of "Frank." To say that Frank was Obama's mentor is
> total crap.
>
> There's more, but this piece of trash is not worth any more time.


I'm not sure what is considered proof or not. This is an excerpt from an
blog that quotes part of Obamas book, but I don't have it so can't verify or
not.

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/loudon-obama%E2%80%99s-communist-mentor-frank-marshall-davis-under-fbi-investigation-for-19-years/

In his 1995 book, Dreams From My Father, Barack Obama describes a
relationship he had with "Frank," when Obama lived in Hawaii, and how he
went to "Frank" for advice about college, racial matters, and other lessons
of life. So, just who is this mysterious Frank, who so deeply influenced the
life of Barack Obama?





     
Date: 13 Feb 2009 08:48:14
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
On Feb 13 2009 11:23 AM, Susan wrote:

> "JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:9qhg66x30i.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Feb 13 2009 10:16 AM, Susan wrote:
> >
> >> I read both of them. While obviously spun to the right, what is
> >> factually
> >> wrong in either of them?
> >
> > The part about Obama's grandparents being "rebellious parents, intent on
> > unraveling the fabric of WASP America." Do you have any evidence that
> > this is factually accurate. I know for a fact that Obama's grandfather
> > fought for the US during WWII. What's the evidence to support the "fact"
> > that he was intent on unraveling the fabric of WASP America?
>
> Don't know - I find nothing reliable for either side of that *argument*
>
> > Then there is the crap about Frank Marshall Davis, which comes from the
> > largely discredited anti-Obama book (smear job) "The Obama Nation." I
> > don't see anything about Mr. Davis on the internet that would substantiate
> > the charge that he was a"self-proclaimed pedophile." As for the claim
> > that he was Obama's "mentor", this is total BS. Obama wrote this about Mr.
> > Davis in his autobiography: "Frank" told Obama that he and Stanley
> > (Obama's maternal grandfather) both had grown up only 50 miles apart, near
> > Wichita, although they did not meet until Hawaii. He described the way
> > race relations were back then, including Jim Crow, and his view that there
> > had been little progress since then. As Obama remembered, "It made me
> > smile, thinking back on Frank and his old Black Power, dashiki self. In
> > some ways he was as incurable as my mother, as certain in his faith,
> > living in the same sixties time warp that Hawaii had created."[14] Obama
> > also remembered Frank later in life when he took a job in South Chicago as
> > a community organizer when he took some time one day and visited the areas
> > where Frank had lived and wrote in his book, "I imagined Frank in a baggy
> > suit and wide lapels, standing in front of the old Regal Theatre, waiting
> > to see Duke or Ella emerge from a gig." [15]
> >
> > Obama is making fun of "Frank." To say that Frank was Obama's mentor is
> > total crap.
> >
> > There's more, but this piece of trash is not worth any more time.
>
>
> I'm not sure what is considered proof or not. This is an excerpt from an
> blog that quotes part of Obamas book, but I don't have it so can't verify or
> not.
>
>
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/loudon-obama%E2%80%99s-communist-mentor-frank-marshall-davis-under-fbi-investigation-for-19-years/
>
> In his 1995 book, Dreams From My Father, Barack Obama describes a
> relationship he had with "Frank," when Obama lived in Hawaii, and how he
> went to "Frank" for advice about college, racial matters, and other lessons
> of life. So, just who is this mysterious Frank, who so deeply influenced the
> life of Barack Obama?

It really is not worth any more time. You specifically asked if there were
any factual inaccuracies in the initial hack piece that was posted, and I
gave you some. Even if we stipulate that Obama went to this man for
"advice" when he was growing up, that doesn't address any of the factual
errors.

Do you really think that any of us should be held responsible for the
activities of all the people we asked for advice when we were growing up?
Were we supposed to have background checks performed on all the adults we
asked for advice when we were teenagers? Are all the people I asked for
advice when I was a teenager considered my "mentors"?

This is such obvious McCarthyite guilt-by-association bullshit. Really
makes me sick.

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Date: 13 Feb 2009 20:00:49
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.

"JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:erkg66xnfi.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 13 2009 11:23 AM, Susan wrote:
>
>> "JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:9qhg66x30i.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > On Feb 13 2009 10:16 AM, Susan wrote:
>> >
>> >> I read both of them. While obviously spun to the right, what is
>> >> factually
>> >> wrong in either of them?
>> >
>> > The part about Obama's grandparents being "rebellious parents, intent
>> > on
>> > unraveling the fabric of WASP America." Do you have any evidence that
>> > this is factually accurate. I know for a fact that Obama's grandfather
>> > fought for the US during WWII. What's the evidence to support the
>> > "fact"
>> > that he was intent on unraveling the fabric of WASP America?
>>
>> Don't know - I find nothing reliable for either side of that *argument*
>>
>> > Then there is the crap about Frank Marshall Davis, which comes from the
>> > largely discredited anti-Obama book (smear job) "The Obama Nation." I
>> > don't see anything about Mr. Davis on the internet that would
>> > substantiate
>> > the charge that he was a"self-proclaimed pedophile." As for the claim
>> > that he was Obama's "mentor", this is total BS. Obama wrote this about
>> > Mr.
>> > Davis in his autobiography: "Frank" told Obama that he and Stanley
>> > (Obama's maternal grandfather) both had grown up only 50 miles apart,
>> > near
>> > Wichita, although they did not meet until Hawaii. He described the way
>> > race relations were back then, including Jim Crow, and his view that
>> > there
>> > had been little progress since then. As Obama remembered, "It made me
>> > smile, thinking back on Frank and his old Black Power, dashiki self. In
>> > some ways he was as incurable as my mother, as certain in his faith,
>> > living in the same sixties time warp that Hawaii had created."[14]
>> > Obama
>> > also remembered Frank later in life when he took a job in South Chicago
>> > as
>> > a community organizer when he took some time one day and visited the
>> > areas
>> > where Frank had lived and wrote in his book, "I imagined Frank in a
>> > baggy
>> > suit and wide lapels, standing in front of the old Regal Theatre,
>> > waiting
>> > to see Duke or Ella emerge from a gig." [15]
>> >
>> > Obama is making fun of "Frank." To say that Frank was Obama's mentor
>> > is
>> > total crap.
>> >
>> > There's more, but this piece of trash is not worth any more time.
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure what is considered proof or not. This is an excerpt from an
>> blog that quotes part of Obamas book, but I don't have it so can't verify
>> or
>> not.
>>
>>
> http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/loudon-obama%E2%80%99s-communist-mentor-frank-marshall-davis-under-fbi-investigation-for-19-years/
>>
>> In his 1995 book, Dreams From My Father, Barack Obama describes a
>> relationship he had with "Frank," when Obama lived in Hawaii, and how he
>> went to "Frank" for advice about college, racial matters, and other
>> lessons
>> of life. So, just who is this mysterious Frank, who so deeply influenced
>> the
>> life of Barack Obama?
>
> It really is not worth any more time. You specifically asked if there were
> any factual inaccuracies in the initial hack piece that was posted, and I
> gave you some. Even if we stipulate that Obama went to this man for
> "advice" when he was growing up, that doesn't address any of the factual
> errors.
>
> Do you really think that any of us should be held responsible for the
> activities of all the people we asked for advice when we were growing up?
> Were we supposed to have background checks performed on all the adults we
> asked for advice when we were teenagers? Are all the people I asked for
> advice when I was a teenager considered my "mentors"?
>
> This is such obvious McCarthyite guilt-by-association bullshit. Really
> makes me sick.

What about when you're an adult and spend twenty years listening to a
racist, anti-American, anti-Semitic hate monger like Jeremiah Wright? Call
him your mentor, have him perform your marriage ceremony, baptise your kids,
bless your house and name him to your political campaign committee. Then
lie and say you never heard any of his racist, anti-American comments when
they were selling a DVD full of them in the lobby of the church you
attended. Then when Wright repeats his racist rants on national television
for the world to see, you suddendly disown the guy. Even though you swore a
few weeks earlier that you would never disown him. What does that tell you
about the Obama's character and integrity? And please, just once, spare us
your "But Bush" bull shit and answer the question.

Irish Mike








       
Date: 14 Feb 2009 21:46:15
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
On Feb 13 2009

>
> What about when you're an adult and spend twenty years listening to a
> racist, anti-American, anti-Semitic hate monger like Jeremiah Wright? Call
> him your mentor, have him perform your marriage ceremony, baptise your kids,
> bless your house and name him to your political campaign committee. Then
> lie and say you never heard any of his racist, anti-American comments when
> they were selling a DVD full of them in the lobby of the church you
> attended.

If the DVD was full of anti-American statements then why was Sean only
able to find one?

re-playing one episode 746 times does not make it more than one episode.

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Date: 13 Feb 2009 09:43:40
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
> Do you really think that any of us should be held responsible for the
> activities of all the people we asked for advice when we were growing up?
> Were we supposed to have background checks performed on all the adults we
> asked for advice when we were teenagers? Are all the people I asked for
> advice when I was a teenager considered my "mentors"?

Maybe not 'held responsible', but it does lend to credibility does it not?
Besides teachers and my parents I cannot recall ever 'going to someone
for advice on "racial issues"' or anything else that may have molded me
into the person I am today. I grew up in an 'unbroken' home though so
this may explain it.

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Date: 13 Feb 2009 09:53:25
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
On Feb 13 2009 12:43 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > Do you really think that any of us should be held responsible for the
> > activities of all the people we asked for advice when we were growing up?
> > Were we supposed to have background checks performed on all the adults we
> > asked for advice when we were teenagers? Are all the people I asked for
> > advice when I was a teenager considered my "mentors"?
>
> Maybe not 'held responsible', but it does lend to credibility does it not?
> Besides teachers and my parents I cannot recall ever 'going to someone
> for advice on "racial issues"' or anything else that may have molded me
> into the person I am today. I grew up in an 'unbroken' home though so
> this may explain it.


I assume that you are also not bi-racial, which explains why you would be
much less likely to seek advice on racial issues.

Also, the fact that you did not seek advice on important societal issues
from anyone outside of your teachers and parents is not something that I
would be proud of. I think it is far better for any person (whether or not
they grew up in an "unbroken" home) to seek advice from as many human
beings as possible, including those who come from very different
backgrounds and have very different viewpoints. But we can agree to
disagree on that.

Also, if it turns out that one of the teachers you sought advice from as a
teenager had been a member of the communist party at one time in his or
her life, should that be in any way relevant to what type of person you
are, or how much credibility you have?

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Date: 13 Feb 2009 10:03:15
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
> I assume that you are also not bi-racial, which explains why you would be
> much less likely to seek advice on racial issues.

Depends on what you mean by 'bi-racial' I guess. Both of my parents are
white so in the conventional definition of the word I am not 'bi-racial'.
I am intrigued at Pickles continuous questioning of the term 'race' though
so I am just being difficult here. I also never sought the advice of any
REALLY important issues outside of immediate family. When i was young I
was impressionable like all kids. I would not want ANY impressionable kid
asking for advice of REALLY important matters from people that are not in
immediate family for fear of the 'true' intentions of that person are.
Now when you get older and are pretty steadfast in your beliefs and 'know
better' you can discuss these issues and mold your current view if the
argument is compelling enough.

> Also, the fact that you did not seek advice on important societal issues
> from anyone outside of your teachers and parents is not something that I
> would be proud of.

See above. I am VERY proud of the fact I received advice on 'important
societal matters' from my family. Advice and discussion are 2 VERY
different things I am sure you know this.

> I think it is far better for any person (whether or not
> they grew up in an "unbroken" home) to seek advice from as many human
> beings as possible, including those who come from very different
> backgrounds and have very different viewpoints. But we can agree to
> disagree on that.

I think we will have to unless we are defining 'advice' differently.

> Also, if it turns out that one of the teachers you sought advice from as a
> teenager had been a member of the communist party at one time in his or
> her life, should that be in any way relevant to what type of person you
> are, or how much credibility you have?

If I had communist tendencies than I would say yes. I do not so in your
example I say no.

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Date: 13 Feb 2009 11:24:35
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.

"JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:erkg66xnfi.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 13 2009 11:23 AM, Susan wrote:
>
>> "JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:9qhg66x30i.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > On Feb 13 2009 10:16 AM, Susan wrote:
>> >
>> >> I read both of them. While obviously spun to the right, what is
>> >> factually
>> >> wrong in either of them?
>> >
>> > The part about Obama's grandparents being "rebellious parents, intent
>> > on
>> > unraveling the fabric of WASP America." Do you have any evidence that
>> > this is factually accurate. I know for a fact that Obama's grandfather
>> > fought for the US during WWII. What's the evidence to support the
>> > "fact"
>> > that he was intent on unraveling the fabric of WASP America?
>>
>> Don't know - I find nothing reliable for either side of that *argument*
>>
>> > Then there is the crap about Frank Marshall Davis, which comes from the
>> > largely discredited anti-Obama book (smear job) "The Obama Nation." I
>> > don't see anything about Mr. Davis on the internet that would
>> > substantiate
>> > the charge that he was a"self-proclaimed pedophile." As for the claim
>> > that he was Obama's "mentor", this is total BS. Obama wrote this about
>> > Mr.
>> > Davis in his autobiography: "Frank" told Obama that he and Stanley
>> > (Obama's maternal grandfather) both had grown up only 50 miles apart,
>> > near
>> > Wichita, although they did not meet until Hawaii. He described the way
>> > race relations were back then, including Jim Crow, and his view that
>> > there
>> > had been little progress since then. As Obama remembered, "It made me
>> > smile, thinking back on Frank and his old Black Power, dashiki self. In
>> > some ways he was as incurable as my mother, as certain in his faith,
>> > living in the same sixties time warp that Hawaii had created."[14]
>> > Obama
>> > also remembered Frank later in life when he took a job in South Chicago
>> > as
>> > a community organizer when he took some time one day and visited the
>> > areas
>> > where Frank had lived and wrote in his book, "I imagined Frank in a
>> > baggy
>> > suit and wide lapels, standing in front of the old Regal Theatre,
>> > waiting
>> > to see Duke or Ella emerge from a gig." [15]
>> >
>> > Obama is making fun of "Frank." To say that Frank was Obama's mentor
>> > is
>> > total crap.
>> >
>> > There's more, but this piece of trash is not worth any more time.
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure what is considered proof or not. This is an excerpt from an
>> blog that quotes part of Obamas book, but I don't have it so can't verify
>> or
>> not.
>>
>>
> http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/loudon-obama%E2%80%99s-communist-mentor-frank-marshall-davis-under-fbi-investigation-for-19-years/
>>
>> In his 1995 book, Dreams From My Father, Barack Obama describes a
>> relationship he had with "Frank," when Obama lived in Hawaii, and how he
>> went to "Frank" for advice about college, racial matters, and other
>> lessons
>> of life. So, just who is this mysterious Frank, who so deeply influenced
>> the
>> life of Barack Obama?
>
> It really is not worth any more time. You specifically asked if there were
> any factual inaccuracies in the initial hack piece that was posted, and I
> gave you some. Even if we stipulate that Obama went to this man for
> "advice" when he was growing up, that doesn't address any of the factual
> errors.

Rudy - you gave me 2, and then you stipulated one of them.

I never asked for YOU to take time to address my question. I never asked
for you to respond in the first place.

> This is such obvious McCarthyite guilt-by-association bullshit. Really
> makes me sick.

I would agree but the list keeps growing everyday.

At what point does smoke turn into fire?





       
Date: 13 Feb 2009 09:46:32
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
On Feb 13 2009 12:24 PM, Susan wrote:

> "JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:erkg66xnfi.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Feb 13 2009 11:23 AM, Susan wrote:
> >
> >> "JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:9qhg66x30i.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> > On Feb 13 2009 10:16 AM, Susan wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I read both of them. While obviously spun to the right, what is
> >> >> factually
> >> >> wrong in either of them?
> >> >
> >> > The part about Obama's grandparents being "rebellious parents, intent
> >> > on
> >> > unraveling the fabric of WASP America." Do you have any evidence that
> >> > this is factually accurate. I know for a fact that Obama's grandfather
> >> > fought for the US during WWII. What's the evidence to support the
> >> > "fact"
> >> > that he was intent on unraveling the fabric of WASP America?
> >>
> >> Don't know - I find nothing reliable for either side of that *argument*
> >>
> >> > Then there is the crap about Frank Marshall Davis, which comes from the
> >> > largely discredited anti-Obama book (smear job) "The Obama Nation." I
> >> > don't see anything about Mr. Davis on the internet that would
> >> > substantiate
> >> > the charge that he was a"self-proclaimed pedophile." As for the claim
> >> > that he was Obama's "mentor", this is total BS. Obama wrote this about
> >> > Mr.
> >> > Davis in his autobiography: "Frank" told Obama that he and Stanley
> >> > (Obama's maternal grandfather) both had grown up only 50 miles apart,
> >> > near
> >> > Wichita, although they did not meet until Hawaii. He described the way
> >> > race relations were back then, including Jim Crow, and his view that
> >> > there
> >> > had been little progress since then. As Obama remembered, "It made me
> >> > smile, thinking back on Frank and his old Black Power, dashiki self. In
> >> > some ways he was as incurable as my mother, as certain in his faith,
> >> > living in the same sixties time warp that Hawaii had created."[14]
> >> > Obama
> >> > also remembered Frank later in life when he took a job in South Chicago
> >> > as
> >> > a community organizer when he took some time one day and visited the
> >> > areas
> >> > where Frank had lived and wrote in his book, "I imagined Frank in a
> >> > baggy
> >> > suit and wide lapels, standing in front of the old Regal Theatre,
> >> > waiting
> >> > to see Duke or Ella emerge from a gig." [15]
> >> >
> >> > Obama is making fun of "Frank." To say that Frank was Obama's mentor
> >> > is
> >> > total crap.
> >> >
> >> > There's more, but this piece of trash is not worth any more time.
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm not sure what is considered proof or not. This is an excerpt from an
> >> blog that quotes part of Obamas book, but I don't have it so can't verify
> >> or
> >> not.
> >>
> >>
> >
>
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/loudon-obama%E2%80%99s-communist-mentor-frank-marshall-davis-under-fbi-investigation-for-19-years/
> >>
> >> In his 1995 book, Dreams From My Father, Barack Obama describes a
> >> relationship he had with "Frank," when Obama lived in Hawaii, and how he
> >> went to "Frank" for advice about college, racial matters, and other
> >> lessons
> >> of life. So, just who is this mysterious Frank, who so deeply influenced
> >> the
> >> life of Barack Obama?
> >
> > It really is not worth any more time. You specifically asked if there were
> > any factual inaccuracies in the initial hack piece that was posted, and I
> > gave you some. Even if we stipulate that Obama went to this man for
> > "advice" when he was growing up, that doesn't address any of the factual
> > errors.
>
> Rudy - you gave me 2, and then you stipulated one of them.
>
> I never asked for YOU to take time to address my question. I never asked
> for you to respond in the first place.

Wrong again. I gave you 2: Obama's grandparents being intent on
unraveling the fabric of WASP society, and this guy Frank being a
self-proclaimed pedophile. The stipulation about this guy Frand being
someone that Obama looked to for advice when he was growing up is an
example of embellishing a fact and using it to engage in
guilt-by-association McCarthyism. IN many ways it is more deplorable than
a simple factual error, but they are two different things.

I get that you don't want me responding to your posts. If it makes you
feel better, I am not responding to you personally. I am responding to
questions that you raise in a public forum; feel free not to read my
responses if you don't like them.
>
> > This is such obvious McCarthyite guilt-by-association bullshit. Really
> > makes me sick.
>
> I would agree but the list keeps growing everyday.
>
> At what point does smoke turn into fire?

First there has to be smoke. The sleazy piece cited in this thread falls
far short. It is the same kind of crap that was rejected by the voters in
November.

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Date: 13 Feb 2009 12:00:00
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.

"JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:o8og66x03j.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 13 2009 12:24 PM, Susan wrote:
>
>> "JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:erkg66xnfi.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > On Feb 13 2009 11:23 AM, Susan wrote:
>> >
>> >> "JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> news:9qhg66x30i.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> >> > On Feb 13 2009 10:16 AM, Susan wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I read both of them. While obviously spun to the right, what is
>> >> >> factually
>> >> >> wrong in either of them?
>> >> >
>> >> > The part about Obama's grandparents being "rebellious parents,
>> >> > intent
>> >> > on
>> >> > unraveling the fabric of WASP America." Do you have any evidence
>> >> > that
>> >> > this is factually accurate. I know for a fact that Obama's
>> >> > grandfather
>> >> > fought for the US during WWII. What's the evidence to support the
>> >> > "fact"
>> >> > that he was intent on unraveling the fabric of WASP America?
>> >>
>> >> Don't know - I find nothing reliable for either side of that
>> >> *argument*
>> >>
>> >> > Then there is the crap about Frank Marshall Davis, which comes from
>> >> > the
>> >> > largely discredited anti-Obama book (smear job) "The Obama Nation."
>> >> > I
>> >> > don't see anything about Mr. Davis on the internet that would
>> >> > substantiate
>> >> > the charge that he was a"self-proclaimed pedophile." As for the
>> >> > claim
>> >> > that he was Obama's "mentor", this is total BS. Obama wrote this
>> >> > about
>> >> > Mr.
>> >> > Davis in his autobiography: "Frank" told Obama that he and Stanley
>> >> > (Obama's maternal grandfather) both had grown up only 50 miles
>> >> > apart,
>> >> > near
>> >> > Wichita, although they did not meet until Hawaii. He described the
>> >> > way
>> >> > race relations were back then, including Jim Crow, and his view that
>> >> > there
>> >> > had been little progress since then. As Obama remembered, "It made
>> >> > me
>> >> > smile, thinking back on Frank and his old Black Power, dashiki self.
>> >> > In
>> >> > some ways he was as incurable as my mother, as certain in his faith,
>> >> > living in the same sixties time warp that Hawaii had created."[14]
>> >> > Obama
>> >> > also remembered Frank later in life when he took a job in South
>> >> > Chicago
>> >> > as
>> >> > a community organizer when he took some time one day and visited the
>> >> > areas
>> >> > where Frank had lived and wrote in his book, "I imagined Frank in a
>> >> > baggy
>> >> > suit and wide lapels, standing in front of the old Regal Theatre,
>> >> > waiting
>> >> > to see Duke or Ella emerge from a gig." [15]
>> >> >
>> >> > Obama is making fun of "Frank." To say that Frank was Obama's
>> >> > mentor
>> >> > is
>> >> > total crap.
>> >> >
>> >> > There's more, but this piece of trash is not worth any more time.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I'm not sure what is considered proof or not. This is an excerpt from
>> >> an
>> >> blog that quotes part of Obamas book, but I don't have it so can't
>> >> verify
>> >> or
>> >> not.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/loudon-obama%E2%80%99s-communist-mentor-frank-marshall-davis-under-fbi-investigation-for-19-years/
>> >>
>> >> In his 1995 book, Dreams From My Father, Barack Obama describes a
>> >> relationship he had with "Frank," when Obama lived in Hawaii, and how
>> >> he
>> >> went to "Frank" for advice about college, racial matters, and other
>> >> lessons
>> >> of life. So, just who is this mysterious Frank, who so deeply
>> >> influenced
>> >> the
>> >> life of Barack Obama?
>> >
>> > It really is not worth any more time. You specifically asked if there
>> > were
>> > any factual inaccuracies in the initial hack piece that was posted, and
>> > I
>> > gave you some. Even if we stipulate that Obama went to this man for
>> > "advice" when he was growing up, that doesn't address any of the
>> > factual
>> > errors.
>>
>> Rudy - you gave me 2, and then you stipulated one of them.
>>
>> I never asked for YOU to take time to address my question. I never asked
>> for you to respond in the first place.
>
> Wrong again. I gave you 2: Obama's grandparents being intent on
> unraveling the fabric of WASP society, and this guy Frank being a
> self-proclaimed pedophile. The stipulation about this guy Frand being
> someone that Obama looked to for advice when he was growing up is an
> example of embellishing a fact and using it to engage in
> guilt-by-association McCarthyism. IN many ways it is more deplorable than
> a simple factual error, but they are two different things.
>
> I get that you don't want me responding to your posts. If it makes you
> feel better, I am not responding to you personally. I am responding to
> questions that you raise in a public forum; feel free not to read my
> responses if you don't like them.
>>
>> > This is such obvious McCarthyite guilt-by-association bullshit. Really
>> > makes me sick.
>>
>> I would agree but the list keeps growing everyday.
>>
>> At what point does smoke turn into fire?
>
> First there has to be smoke. The sleazy piece cited in this thread falls
> far short. It is the same kind of crap that was rejected by the voters in
> November.

I know it was rejected by the voters. This means that americans were so
hungry for change that they were willing to overlook a lot of things.

My favorite is I barely knew Ayers. He lived in the neighorhood. But as
soon as I got elected to the Senate I quit emailing and phoning him.

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OK he wasn't a pedophile - he just wrote about and it and based it on
personal experiences.

The Telegraph UK is reporting that Davis, a close friend of Obama's mother
and his maternal grandfather, published an autobiographical, pornographic
book, "Sex Rebel:Black," under the pseudonym "Bob Greene."

Marshall admitted to having written the book, which he said describes
factual sexual encounters that he and his wife had with minors and other
couples. "I could not then truthfully deny that this book, which came out in
1968 as a Greenleaf Classic, was mine," said Davis. The Telegraph states
that, "In the introduction to Sex Rebel, Davis explains that although he has
"changed names and identities.all incidents I have described have been taken
from actual experiences."

Marshall's book describes, in lurid detail, his sexual encounters, including
multiple group encounters with his wife and a 13 year old girl: "I'm not one
to go in for Lolitas. Usually I'd rather not bed a babe under 20. But there
are exceptions. I didn't want to disappoint the trusting child. At her
still-impressionistic age, a rejection might be traumatic, could even
cripple her sexually for life."

Davis described how the encounters with the child, who he called "Anne,"
would materialize: "Anne came up many times the next several weeks, her aunt
thinking she was in good hands. Actually she was. She obtained a course in
practical sex from experienced and considerate practitioners rather than
from ignorant insensitive neophytes..I think we did her a favour, although
the pleasure was mutual."




         
Date: 13 Feb 2009 10:29:40
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
On Feb 13 2009 1:00 PM, Susan wrote:

> "JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:o8og66x03j.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Feb 13 2009 12:24 PM, Susan wrote:
> >
> >> "JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:erkg66xnfi.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> > On Feb 13 2009 11:23 AM, Susan wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> >> >> news:9qhg66x30i.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> >> > On Feb 13 2009 10:16 AM, Susan wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I read both of them. While obviously spun to the right, what is
> >> >> >> factually
> >> >> >> wrong in either of them?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The part about Obama's grandparents being "rebellious parents,
> >> >> > intent
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > unraveling the fabric of WASP America." Do you have any evidence
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > this is factually accurate. I know for a fact that Obama's
> >> >> > grandfather
> >> >> > fought for the US during WWII. What's the evidence to support the
> >> >> > "fact"
> >> >> > that he was intent on unraveling the fabric of WASP America?
> >> >>
> >> >> Don't know - I find nothing reliable for either side of that
> >> >> *argument*
> >> >>
> >> >> > Then there is the crap about Frank Marshall Davis, which comes from
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > largely discredited anti-Obama book (smear job) "The Obama Nation."
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > don't see anything about Mr. Davis on the internet that would
> >> >> > substantiate
> >> >> > the charge that he was a"self-proclaimed pedophile." As for the
> >> >> > claim
> >> >> > that he was Obama's "mentor", this is total BS. Obama wrote this
> >> >> > about
> >> >> > Mr.
> >> >> > Davis in his autobiography: "Frank" told Obama that he and Stanley
> >> >> > (Obama's maternal grandfather) both had grown up only 50 miles
> >> >> > apart,
> >> >> > near
> >> >> > Wichita, although they did not meet until Hawaii. He described the
> >> >> > way
> >> >> > race relations were back then, including Jim Crow, and his view that
> >> >> > there
> >> >> > had been little progress since then. As Obama remembered, "It made
> >> >> > me
> >> >> > smile, thinking back on Frank and his old Black Power, dashiki self.
> >> >> > In
> >> >> > some ways he was as incurable as my mother, as certain in his faith,
> >> >> > living in the same sixties time warp that Hawaii had created."[14]
> >> >> > Obama
> >> >> > also remembered Frank later in life when he took a job in South
> >> >> > Chicago
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > a community organizer when he took some time one day and visited the
> >> >> > areas
> >> >> > where Frank had lived and wrote in his book, "I imagined Frank in a
> >> >> > baggy
> >> >> > suit and wide lapels, standing in front of the old Regal Theatre,
> >> >> > waiting
> >> >> > to see Duke or Ella emerge from a gig." [15]
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Obama is making fun of "Frank." To say that Frank was Obama's
> >> >> > mentor
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > total crap.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > There's more, but this piece of trash is not worth any more time.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm not sure what is considered proof or not. This is an excerpt from
> >> >> an
> >> >> blog that quotes part of Obamas book, but I don't have it so can't
> >> >> verify
> >> >> or
> >> >> not.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/loudon-obama%E2%80%99s-communist-mentor-frank-marshall-davis-under-fbi-investigation-for-19-years/
> >> >>
> >> >> In his 1995 book, Dreams From My Father, Barack Obama describes a
> >> >> relationship he had with "Frank," when Obama lived in Hawaii, and how
> >> >> he
> >> >> went to "Frank" for advice about college, racial matters, and other
> >> >> lessons
> >> >> of life. So, just who is this mysterious Frank, who so deeply
> >> >> influenced
> >> >> the
> >> >> life of Barack Obama?
> >> >
> >> > It really is not worth any more time. You specifically asked if there
> >> > were
> >> > any factual inaccuracies in the initial hack piece that was posted, and
> >> > I
> >> > gave you some. Even if we stipulate that Obama went to this man for
> >> > "advice" when he was growing up, that doesn't address any of the
> >> > factual
> >> > errors.
> >>
> >> Rudy - you gave me 2, and then you stipulated one of them.
> >>
> >> I never asked for YOU to take time to address my question. I never asked
> >> for you to respond in the first place.
> >
> > Wrong again. I gave you 2: Obama's grandparents being intent on
> > unraveling the fabric of WASP society, and this guy Frank being a
> > self-proclaimed pedophile. The stipulation about this guy Frand being
> > someone that Obama looked to for advice when he was growing up is an
> > example of embellishing a fact and using it to engage in
> > guilt-by-association McCarthyism. IN many ways it is more deplorable than
> > a simple factual error, but they are two different things.
> >
> > I get that you don't want me responding to your posts. If it makes you
> > feel better, I am not responding to you personally. I am responding to
> > questions that you raise in a public forum; feel free not to read my
> > responses if you don't like them.
> >>
> >> > This is such obvious McCarthyite guilt-by-association bullshit. Really
> >> > makes me sick.
> >>
> >> I would agree but the list keeps growing everyday.
> >>
> >> At what point does smoke turn into fire?
> >
> > First there has to be smoke. The sleazy piece cited in this thread falls
> > far short. It is the same kind of crap that was rejected by the voters in
> > November.
>
> I know it was rejected by the voters. This means that americans were so
> hungry for change that they were willing to overlook a lot of things.

Or maybe it means that part of the change they hunger for is to stop these
kind of McCarthyite slime attacks that prevent many of our best citizens
from having any desire to run for public office. Something else we can
agree to disagree about.
>
> My favorite is I barely knew Ayers. He lived in the neighorhood. But as
> soon as I got elected to the Senate I quit emailing and phoning him.

Yeah, shameful that they sat together (with highly respected Republicans)
on a charitable Board that provided funding to inner city schools.

Most of the voters didn't "overlook" the Obama-Ayers relationship; they
looked at it closely and came to the conclusion that, if anything, it
helped Obama; most importantly, it hurt Republicans who were pushing this
issue by making them look like desperate McCarthyites. Obviously you are
not one of these voters.
>
> OK he wasn't a pedophile - he just wrote about and it and based it on
> personal experiences.

OK great, thanks for sharing.

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Date: 13 Feb 2009 13:58:14
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.

"JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:kpqg66xghj.ln2@recgroups.com...

>> OK he wasn't a pedophile - he just wrote about and it and based it on
>> personal experiences.
>
> OK great, thanks for sharing.

cute




       
Date: 13 Feb 2009 09:44:41
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
> At what point does smoke turn into fire?

For the sake of our nation and everyone that lives in it I personally hope
never.

==========================================
You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
==============================
47.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
JBK

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Date: 12 Feb 2009 20:20:05
From: mccard
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
Mike, They ever give you any time off from this gig? Seriously, dude, take
a week, maybe two. Kick back, get a life.



  
Date: 13 Feb 2009 13:04:51
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
On Feb 12, 7:09=A0pm, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
>


> Well bucko, my team hasn't a turn at bat for eight fucking years.



I could have sworn your "team" had a death grip on every facet of the
government for most of those 8 years...

...which is how we ended up where we are today.




  
Date: 12 Feb 2009 22:09:00
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.

"mccard" <no_won@no_won.none > wrote in message
news:lN4ll.39$xK6.1@newsfe12.iad...
> Mike, They ever give you any time off from this gig? Seriously, dude,
> take a week, maybe two. Kick back, get a life.

Well bucko, my team hasn't a turn at bat for eight fucking years. Seriously
dude, we had to listen to the left wing loons attack, insult, demean, debase
and disparage president Bush every single day for eight straight years.
Really - they never missed a single day. And now these same wimpy assed
little twits have the nerve to bitch about some one refusing to drink out of
their Messiah's kool aid bucket. Pog Mo Thoin.

Irish Mike




   
Date: 12 Feb 2009 20:13:12
From: gtech1
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
Are you saying that you feel compelled to drag down Obama simply because
liberals did the same to Bush? I hope that's not what you're saying.
On Feb 12 2009 10:09 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none> wrote in message
> news:lN4ll.39$xK6.1@newsfe12.iad...
> > Mike, They ever give you any time off from this gig? Seriously, dude,
> > take a week, maybe two. Kick back, get a life.
>
> Well bucko, my team hasn't a turn at bat for eight fucking years. Seriously
> dude, we had to listen to the left wing loons attack, insult, demean, debase
> and disparage president Bush every single day for eight straight years.
> Really - they never missed a single day. And now these same wimpy assed
> little twits have the nerve to bitch about some one refusing to drink out of
> their Messiah's kool aid bucket. Pog Mo Thoin.
>
> Irish Mike

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Date: 13 Feb 2009 00:53:22
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.

"gtech1" <duanepritchett@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:oj8f66x7pc.ln2@recgroups.com...
> Are you saying that you feel compelled to drag down Obama simply because
> liberals did the same to Bush? I hope that's not what you're saying.

No, I don't feel compelled to drag down Obama or any one else. I just
refuse to stick my head in Obama's kool aid bucket and I'm fed up with the
free ride he's gotten from the liberal mainstream press. Now a lot of us
(55,000,000+ and growing) want to see some details and substance to all of
his campaign promises. So far all I've seen him do is weaken national
defense, appoint a bunch of left over Clinton hacks, crooks and tax cheats
to his administration and ear mark more American tax payer money to fund
abortion mills. And I think his partisan 600+ page, $ 900 billion spending
bill is full of pork, welfare and entitlement and pet liberal projects
designed to buy votes and grow the size of the federal government. Obama's
first couple of weeks in office have been one big disappointing cluster
fuck.

Irish Mike


> On Feb 12 2009 10:09 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
>> "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none> wrote in message
>> news:lN4ll.39$xK6.1@newsfe12.iad...
>> > Mike, They ever give you any time off from this gig? Seriously, dude,
>> > take a week, maybe two. Kick back, get a life.
>>
>> Well bucko, my team hasn't a turn at bat for eight fucking years.
>> Seriously
>> dude, we had to listen to the left wing loons attack, insult, demean,
>> debase
>> and disparage president Bush every single day for eight straight years.
>> Really - they never missed a single day. And now these same wimpy assed
>> little twits have the nerve to bitch about some one refusing to drink out
>> of
>> their Messiah's kool aid bucket. Pog Mo Thoin.
>>
>> Irish Mike
>
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>




     
Date: 13 Feb 2009 09:58:12
From: MZB
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
..........................
No, I don't feel compelled to drag down Obama or any one else.
.................

YA COULD HAVE FOOLED ME, MIKE!

Mel
"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:jQ7ll.12891$D32.322@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
> "gtech1" <duanepritchett@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:oj8f66x7pc.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> Are you saying that you feel compelled to drag down Obama simply because
>> liberals did the same to Bush? I hope that's not what you're saying.
>
> No, I don't feel compelled to drag down Obama or any one else. I just
> refuse to stick my head in Obama's kool aid bucket and I'm fed up with the
> free ride he's gotten from the liberal mainstream press. Now a lot of us
> (55,000,000+ and growing) want to see some details and substance to all of
> his campaign promises. So far all I've seen him do is weaken national
> defense, appoint a bunch of left over Clinton hacks, crooks and tax cheats
> to his administration and ear mark more American tax payer money to fund
> abortion mills. And I think his partisan 600+ page, $ 900 billion
> spending bill is full of pork, welfare and entitlement and pet liberal
> projects designed to buy votes and grow the size of the federal
> government. Obama's first couple of weeks in office have been one big
> disappointing cluster fuck.
>
> Irish Mike
>
>
>> On Feb 12 2009 10:09 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>>
>>> "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none> wrote in message
>>> news:lN4ll.39$xK6.1@newsfe12.iad...
>>> > Mike, They ever give you any time off from this gig? Seriously,
>>> > dude,
>>> > take a week, maybe two. Kick back, get a life.
>>>
>>> Well bucko, my team hasn't a turn at bat for eight fucking years.
>>> Seriously
>>> dude, we had to listen to the left wing loons attack, insult, demean,
>>> debase
>>> and disparage president Bush every single day for eight straight years.
>>> Really - they never missed a single day. And now these same wimpy assed
>>> little twits have the nerve to bitch about some one refusing to drink
>>> out of
>>> their Messiah's kool aid bucket. Pog Mo Thoin.
>>>
>>> Irish Mike
>>
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Date: 12 Feb 2009 21:56:01
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message
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<... >

> No, I don't feel compelled to drag down Obama or any one else. I just
> refuse to stick my head in Obama's kool aid bucket and I'm fed up with the
> free ride he's gotten from the liberal mainstream press...

Pretty bird.

Jim




    
Date: 12 Feb 2009 20:24:49
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.
On Feb 12 2009 8:13 PM, gtech1 wrote:

> Are you saying that you feel compelled to drag down Obama simply because
> liberals did the same to Bush? I hope that's not what you're saying.

In a nutshell, the liberal ball sack has been on Mike's chin for 8 years
and he is tired of it. So now Mike wants his ball sack on someones chin
for revenge.

Either way it is gay.


> On Feb 12 2009 10:09 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> > "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none> wrote in message
> > news:lN4ll.39$xK6.1@newsfe12.iad...
> > > Mike, They ever give you any time off from this gig? Seriously, dude,
> > > take a week, maybe two. Kick back, get a life.
> >
> > Well bucko, my team hasn't a turn at bat for eight fucking years.
Seriously
> > dude, we had to listen to the left wing loons attack, insult, demean,
debase
> > and disparage president Bush every single day for eight straight years.
> > Really - they never missed a single day. And now these same wimpy assed
> > little twits have the nerve to bitch about some one refusing to drink out
of
> > their Messiah's kool aid bucket. Pog Mo Thoin.
> >
> > Irish Mike

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Date: 12 Feb 2009 21:30:31
From: mccard
Subject: Re: Obama - the man.

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message
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>
> "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none> wrote in message
> news:lN4ll.39$xK6.1@newsfe12.iad...
>> Mike, They ever give you any time off from this gig? Seriously, dude,
>> take a week, maybe two. Kick back, get a life.
>
> Well bucko, my team hasn't a turn at bat for eight fucking years.
> Seriously dude, we had to listen to the left wing loons attack, insult,
> demean, debase and disparage president Bush every single day for eight
> straight years. Really - they never missed a single day. And now these
> same wimpy assed little twits have the nerve to bitch about some one
> refusing to drink out of their Messiah's kool aid bucket. Pog Mo Thoin.
>

Correction bucko, your team was at bat for eight miserable years an never
made so much as a single. What a bunch of buffoons.