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Date: 07 Dec 2008 12:36:35
From: - ikabopo -
Subject: More fun with A-Q...
1-3 NLHE. (Kinda plays more like 2-5, as the standard preflop raise has
been $15-$20, and most stack sizes are between $300 and $1000.)

I have AhQh in 2nd position. UTG folds. I raise to $15. 4th position
calls. 7th position calls. Button calls. SB calls. BB calls. Pot $90.

Flop Qc Jd 5c. SB and BB check. I bet $65. 4th position calls
quickly, as does button. All others fold. Pot $285.

Turn 10s. I'm first to act. I have $147 in front of me. Both other
players have me covered.

What do you do now? (Or, what do you do differently than what I have
done so far?)

-ikabopo-







 
Date: 08 Dec 2008 12:43:20
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: More fun with A-Q...
One question before I answer - based on previous play did you expect to
get a whole bunch of callers?

Regards,
Wayne


On Dec 7 2008 11:36 AM, - ikabopo - wrote:

> 1-3 NLHE. (Kinda plays more like 2-5, as the standard preflop raise has
> been $15-$20, and most stack sizes are between $300 and $1000.)
>
> I have AhQh in 2nd position. UTG folds. I raise to $15. 4th position
> calls. 7th position calls. Button calls. SB calls. BB calls. Pot $90.
>
> Flop Qc Jd 5c. SB and BB check. I bet $65. 4th position calls
> quickly, as does button. All others fold. Pot $285.
>
> Turn 10s. I'm first to act. I have $147 in front of me. Both other
> players have me covered.
>
> What do you do now? (Or, what do you do differently than what I have
> done so far?)
>
> -ikabopo-


Wayne Vinson
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 12:37:31
From: - ikabopo -
Subject: Re: More fun with A-Q...
I expected 3 callers at the absolute max, and probably 2 callers was
most likely. To have 5 callers was a big surprise.

-ikabopo-


Re: More fun with A-Q...

Group: rec.gambling.poker Date: Mon, Dec 8, 2008, 12:43pm (EST-3) From:
a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid (Wayne=A0Vinson)
One question before I answer - based on previous play did you expect to
get a whole bunch of callers?
Regards,
Wayne
On Dec 7 2008 11:36 AM, - ikabopo - wrote:
1-3 NLHE. (Kinda plays more like 2-5, as the standard preflop raise has
been $15-$20, and most stack sizes are between $300 and $1000.)
I have AhQh in 2nd position. UTG folds. I raise to $15. 4th position
calls. 7th position calls. Button calls. SB calls. BB calls. Pot $90.
Flop Qc Jd 5c. SB and BB check. I bet $65. 4th position calls quickly,
as does button. All others fold. Pot $285.
Turn 10s. I'm first to act. I have $147 in front of me. Both other
players have me covered.
What do you do now? (Or, what do you do differently than what I have
done so far?)
-ikabopo-
Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/beginner-mistakes-giving-up-won-money-for-no-good-rea=
son/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 15:06:56
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: More fun with A-Q...
But you did not expect a fold-around to the blinds?

On Dec 9 2008 11:37 AM, - ikabopo - wrote:

> I expected 3 callers at the absolute max, and probably 2 callers was
> most likely. To have 5 callers was a big surprise.
>
> -ikabopo-
>
>
> Re: More fun with A-Q...
>
> Group: rec.gambling.poker Date: Mon, Dec 8, 2008, 12:43pm (EST-3) From:
> a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid (Wayne Vinson)
> One question before I answer - based on previous play did you expect to
> get a whole bunch of callers?
> Regards,
> Wayne
> On Dec 7 2008 11:36 AM, - ikabopo - wrote:
> 1-3 NLHE. (Kinda plays more like 2-5, as the standard preflop raise has
> been $15-$20, and most stack sizes are between $300 and $1000.)
> I have AhQh in 2nd position. UTG folds. I raise to $15. 4th position
> calls. 7th position calls. Button calls. SB calls. BB calls. Pot $90.
> Flop Qc Jd 5c. SB and BB check. I bet $65. 4th position calls quickly,
> as does button. All others fold. Pot $285.
> Turn 10s. I'm first to act. I have $147 in front of me. Both other
> players have me covered.
> What do you do now? (Or, what do you do differently than what I have
> done so far?)
> -ikabopo-
> Wayne Vinson
>
http://cardsharp.org/beginner-mistakes-giving-up-won-money-for-no-good-reason/
> Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com


Wayne Vinson
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 19:35:37
From: - ikabopo -
Subject: Re: More fun with A-Q...
"But you did not expect a fold around to the blinds?"

I took more from this single sentence in your response than from your
article. I think maybe the lesson here is to dump A-Q preflop from the
first 3 positions in this kind of game, and to be cautious about playing
out of position in general, regardless of your holding. That way you
don't have to make decisions like this in big pots when first to act.

The article really had nothing to do with my aforementioned situation.
I raised with the A-Q; I didn't call an early position raise with it.
Still a good article, but I already knew the info and the knowledge in
it.

Nevertheless, I probably shouldn't raise A-Q that close to UTG in that
kind of a cash game. Dump it and wait for the next hand. Or maybe limp
and home to play a cheap pot and flop two pair or better.

By the way, I shoved, and was called by a set of 5s by the player on my
left, and also called by some nut who didn't show. River did not bail
me out.

-ikabopo-


Re: More fun with A-Q...

Group: rec.gambling.poker Date: Tue, Dec 9, 2008, 3:06pm (EST-3) From:
a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid (Wayne=A0Vinson)


But you did not expect a fold-around to the blinds?


On Dec 9 2008 11:37 AM, - ikabopo - wrote:
I expected 3 callers at the absolute max, and probably 2 callers was
most likely. To have 5 callers was a big surprise.
-ikabopo-
Re: More fun with A-Q...
Group: rec.gambling.poker Date: Mon, Dec 8, 2008, 12:43pm (EST-3) From:
a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid (Wayne=A0Vinson)
One question before I answer - based on previous play did you expect to
get a whole bunch of callers?
Regards,
Wayne
On Dec 7 2008 11:36 AM, - ikabopo - wrote: 1-3 NLHE. (Kinda plays more
like 2-5, as the standard preflop raise has been $15-$20, and most stack
sizes are between $300 and $1000.) I have AhQh in 2nd position. UTG
folds. I raise to $15. 4th position calls. 7th position calls. Button
calls. SB calls. BB calls. Pot $90. Flop Qc Jd 5c. SB and BB check. I
bet $65. 4th position calls quickly, as does button. All others fold.
Pot $285. Turn 10s. I'm first to act. I have $147 in front of me. Both
other players have me covered.
What do you do now? (Or, what do you do differently than what I have
done so far?)
-ikabopo-
Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/beginner-mistakes-giving-up-won-money-for-no-good-rea=
son/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com
Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/beginner-mistakes-giving-up-won-money-for-no-good-rea=
son/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com
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Date: 08 Dec 2008 12:26:05
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: More fun with A-Q...
> I have AhQh in 2nd position. UTG folds. I raise to $15. 4th position
> calls. 7th position calls. Button calls. SB calls. BB calls. Pot $90.

Wow! 6 in preflop for an EP raise? You must have a TAG image if they
want to take a shot at hitting the flop and stacking you knowing they can
either bully you off a big hand or flop big and stack your big hand.

> Flop Qc Jd 5c. SB and BB check. I bet $65. 4th position calls
> quickly, as does button. All others fold. Pot $285.

I do not like the 65.00 bet. I bet 100.00 or fold to a bet and possibly
come over the top of a weak raise after my check.

> Turn 10s. I'm first to act. I have $147 in front of me. Both other
> players have me covered.

oops.

> What do you do now? (Or, what do you do differently than what I have
> done so far?)
>
> -ikabopo-

lol

I dunno?

You have 80.00 in so you started the hand short stacked with about 230.00.
You said the stacks were ranging from 300.00 to 1000.00. I think I raise
more preflop and or push/check raise or check fold the flop-depending. It
is VERY draw heavy.

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nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
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Date: 08 Dec 2008 03:40:13
From: jonathan
Subject: Re: More fun with A-Q...
On Dec 7 2008 9:36 AM, - ikabopo - wrote:

> 1-3 NLHE. (Kinda plays more like 2-5, as the standard preflop raise has
> been $15-$20, and most stack sizes are between $300 and $1000.)
>
> I have AhQh in 2nd position. UTG folds. I raise to $15. 4th position
> calls. 7th position calls. Button calls. SB calls. BB calls. Pot $90.
>
> Flop Qc Jd 5c. SB and BB check. I bet $65. 4th position calls
> quickly, as does button. All others fold. Pot $285.
>
> Turn 10s. I'm first to act. I have $147 in front of me. Both other
> players have me covered.
>
> What do you do now? (Or, what do you do differently than what I have
> done so far?)
>
> -ikabopo-

Check, then probly fold. depends on a lot things though. and where is
this game lol?

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Date: 08 Dec 2008 15:48:39
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: More fun with A-Q...
On Dec 8 2008 5:40 AM, jonathan wrote:

> On Dec 7 2008 9:36 AM, - ikabopo - wrote:
>
> > 1-3 NLHE. (Kinda plays more like 2-5, as the standard preflop raise has
> > been $15-$20, and most stack sizes are between $300 and $1000.)
> >
> > I have AhQh in 2nd position. UTG folds. I raise to $15. 4th position
> > calls. 7th position calls. Button calls. SB calls. BB calls. Pot $90.
> >
> > Flop Qc Jd 5c. SB and BB check. I bet $65. 4th position calls
> > quickly, as does button. All others fold. Pot $285.
> >
> > Turn 10s. I'm first to act. I have $147 in front of me. Both other
> > players have me covered.
> >
> > What do you do now? (Or, what do you do differently than what I have
> > done so far?)
> >
> > -ikabopo-
>
> Check, then probly fold. depends on a lot things though. and where is
> this game lol?

OK .. first of all, you are disqualified from answering this question ..
You have never had 200 in a poker game in your life !!
>
> -------------------------------
> me and you... we'll never get along, i hate the way you play your hands
> and you wear your gun all wrong


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Date: 07 Dec 2008 19:03:21
From:
Subject: Re: More fun with A-Q...
On Dec 7, 6:54=A0pm, "Tad Perry" <tadpe...@comcast.net > wrote:
> "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:9c2u06x1md.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 7 2008 11:36 AM, - ikabopo - wrote:
>
> > > 1-3 NLHE. =A0(Kinda plays more like 2-5, as the standard preflop rais=
e has
> > > been $15-$20, and most stack sizes are between $300 and $1000.)
>
> > > I have AhQh in 2nd position. =A0UTG folds. =A0I raise to $15. =A04th =
position
> > > calls. =A07th position calls. Button calls. =A0SB calls. BB calls. =
=A0Pot $90.
>
> > > Flop Qc Jd 5c. =A0SB and BB check. =A0I bet $65. =A04th position call=
s
> > > quickly, as does button. =A0All others fold. =A0Pot $285.
>
> > > Turn 10s. =A0I'm first to act. =A0I have $147 in front of me. =A0Both=
other
> > > players have me covered.
>
> > > What do you do now? =A0(Or, what do you do differently than what I ha=
ve
> > > done so far?)
>
> > > -ikabopo-
>
> > if you have reason to believe that eirther of your opponents would have
> > reraised with AK , then you bet and hope not to get called or you bet a=
nd
> > hope the sucker with KQ calls you , and misses on the end
>
> Interesting. I saw it as much more of a trap situation where you could ge=
t a
> weaker hand to make a bad bet, meanwhile a bad call all-in is no worse th=
an
> a bad bet all-in. I.e., all your money goes in either way, but the chance
> you're against something you can beat has gone up.
>
> tvp- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The problem with trapping is that you may very well give two players
free draws. Can't be having that...gotta bet.


 
Date: 07 Dec 2008 15:21:13
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: More fun with A-Q...
On Dec 7 2008 11:36 AM, - ikabopo - wrote:

> 1-3 NLHE. (Kinda plays more like 2-5, as the standard preflop raise has
> been $15-$20, and most stack sizes are between $300 and $1000.)
>
> I have AhQh in 2nd position. UTG folds. I raise to $15. 4th position
> calls. 7th position calls. Button calls. SB calls. BB calls. Pot $90.
>
> Flop Qc Jd 5c. SB and BB check. I bet $65. 4th position calls
> quickly, as does button. All others fold. Pot $285.
>
> Turn 10s. I'm first to act. I have $147 in front of me. Both other
> players have me covered.
>
> What do you do now? (Or, what do you do differently than what I have
> done so far?)
>
> -ikabopo-

if you have reason to believe that eirther of your opponents would have
reraised with AK , then you bet and hope not to get called or you bet and
hope the sucker with KQ calls you , and misses on the end


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Date: 07 Dec 2008 15:54:35
From: Tad Perry
Subject: Re: More fun with A-Q...
"FangBanger" <a29bed1@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:9c2u06x1md.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 7 2008 11:36 AM, - ikabopo - wrote:
>
> > 1-3 NLHE. (Kinda plays more like 2-5, as the standard preflop raise has
> > been $15-$20, and most stack sizes are between $300 and $1000.)
> >
> > I have AhQh in 2nd position. UTG folds. I raise to $15. 4th position
> > calls. 7th position calls. Button calls. SB calls. BB calls. Pot $90.
> >
> > Flop Qc Jd 5c. SB and BB check. I bet $65. 4th position calls
> > quickly, as does button. All others fold. Pot $285.
> >
> > Turn 10s. I'm first to act. I have $147 in front of me. Both other
> > players have me covered.
> >
> > What do you do now? (Or, what do you do differently than what I have
> > done so far?)
> >
> > -ikabopo-
>
> if you have reason to believe that eirther of your opponents would have
> reraised with AK , then you bet and hope not to get called or you bet and
> hope the sucker with KQ calls you , and misses on the end

Interesting. I saw it as much more of a trap situation where you could get a
weaker hand to make a bad bet, meanwhile a bad call all-in is no worse than
a bad bet all-in. I.e., all your money goes in either way, but the chance
you're against something you can beat has gone up.

tvp




 
Date: 07 Dec 2008 12:18:50
From: Tad Perry
Subject: Re: More fun with A-Q...
"- ikabopo -" <ikabopo@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:6833-493C09A3-1120@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net...
> 1-3 NLHE. (Kinda plays more like 2-5, as the standard preflop raise has
> been $15-$20, and most stack sizes are between $300 and $1000.)
>
> I have AhQh in 2nd position. UTG folds. I raise to $15. 4th position
> calls. 7th position calls. Button calls. SB calls. BB calls. Pot $90.
>
> Flop Qc Jd 5c. SB and BB check. I bet $65. 4th position calls
> quickly, as does button. All others fold. Pot $285.
>
> Turn 10s. I'm first to act. I have $147 in front of me. Both other
> players have me covered.
>
> What do you do now? (Or, what do you do differently than what I have
> done so far?)

Check and call for most aggressive opponents. If you do, there's a chance
the opponent is bluffing and therefore a wider range of hands that you can
beat as compared to the hands that can call if you bet all in.
The exception to the rule is if a weak tight player who only bets the nuts
bets all in, you obviously have no choice but fold.

tvp




 
Date: 07 Dec 2008 10:02:46
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: More fun with A-Q...
On Dec 7 2008 11:36 AM, - ikabopo - wrote:

>
> What do you do now? (Or, what do you do differently than what I have
> done so far?)

At this point, you have to push.

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