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Date: 19 Feb 2009 12:03:31
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
The Wall Street fat cats swindled investors out of billions and walked away
free and clear. The minorities and financially irresponsible dim wits who
bought houses they couldn't afford with mortgages they were too stupid to
read are getting the Obama bail and being rewarded for their bad decisions.
The working, tax paying middle class - who rented and saved until they could
buy a house they could afford - who shopped for the best fixed rate mortgage
they could find - who pay their bills on time and live within their mean -
well big fucking surprise, they're taking it in the ass again. They will
ultimately be the ones to foot the bill - as they always are. So what the
fuck has changed? It sure as hell looks like business as usual to me.

Irish Mike






 
Date: 22 Feb 2009 01:56:52
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
Mike, you seem to like taking it upper US. You talk alot, yet do
nothing. Trust me, you F me for a dollar, I'll F you for a thousand.
We'll be even, but I'll be the better F. Stop talking so much and get
even.






On Feb 19, 9:03=EF=BF=BDam, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> The Wall Street fat cats swindled investors out of billions and walked aw=
ay
> free and clear. =EF=BF=BDThe minorities and financially irresponsible dim=
wits who
> bought houses they couldn't afford with mortgages they were too stupid to
> read are getting the Obama bail and being rewarded for their bad decision=
s.
> The working, tax paying middle class - who rented and saved until they co=
uld
> buy a house they could afford - who shopped for the best fixed rate mortg=
age
> they could find - who pay their bills on time and live within their mean =
-
> well big fucking surprise, they're taking it in the ass again. =EF=BF=BDT=
hey will
> ultimately be the ones to foot the bill - as they always are. =EF=BF=BDSo=
what the
> fuck has changed? =EF=BF=BDIt sure as hell looks like business as usual t=
o me.
>
> Irish Mike



 
Date: 20 Feb 2009 19:49:23
From: Mark B (Diputsur)
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
On Feb 19, 12:03=A0pm, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> The Wall Street fat cats

just the cats? What about the dogs?
Don't forget about Cody!!!

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Date: 20 Feb 2009 18:50:53
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
On Feb 19 2009 11:03 AM, Irish Mike wrote:

> The Wall Street fat cats swindled investors out of billions and walked away
> free and clear. The minorities and financially irresponsible dim wits who
> bought houses they couldn't afford with mortgages they were too stupid to
> read are getting the Obama bail and being rewarded for their bad decisions.
> The working, tax paying middle class - who rented and saved until they could
> buy a house they could afford - who shopped for the best fixed rate mortgage
> they could find - who pay their bills on time and live within their mean -
> well big fucking surprise, they're taking it in the ass again. They will
> ultimately be the ones to foot the bill - as they always are. So what the
> fuck has changed? It sure as hell looks like business as usual to me.
>
> Irish Mike

Should a 'righty" really start a post with that subject line considering
the gay "righty" scandals of the last few years ?


Jason,you,
sir, are much, much stupider than FangBanger.

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Date: 20 Feb 2009 03:33:05
From: Mark Stringer
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
Irish Mike wrote:

> The Wall Street fat cats swindled investors out of billions and
> walked away free and clear. The minorities and financially
> irresponsible dim wits who bought houses they couldn't afford with
> mortgages they were too stupid to read are getting the Obama bail
> and being rewarded for their bad decisions. The working, tax paying
> middle class - who rented and saved until they could buy a house
> they could afford - who shopped for the best fixed rate mortgage
> they could find - who pay their bills on time and live within their
> mean - well big fucking surprise, they're taking it in the ass
> again. They will ultimately be the ones to foot the bill - as they
> always are. So what the fuck has changed? It sure as hell looks
> like business as usual to me.

Just wait, universal health care and some other gems haven't even
got into the batter's box yet. I was listening to all the campaign
gaga, shaking my head and asking "Who the f*ck do these idiots think
is going to pay for all this sh*t?"

Yes, maybe evil big business and "rich" people will pay more but
who is really going to *pay*? The middle class, the average working
Joe, so many of which were convinced they were the ones whose lives
were going to be made better/easier. PT Barnum was right.

I guess it's easy to idealistic when you think someone else is
going to be footing the bill?

*Gomer Pyle voice* Surprise, surprise, surprise.


"Hey guys, you're gonna get f'ed!" "Woooooo! Ya! Ya!"

"Now bend over!" "Wha. . . . ?"


 
Date: 19 Feb 2009 10:26:25
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
On Feb 19 2009 12:03 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> The Wall Street fat cats swindled investors out of billions and walked away
> free and clear. The minorities and financially irresponsible dim wits who
> bought houses they couldn't afford with mortgages they were too stupid to
> read are getting the Obama bail and being rewarded for their bad decisions.
> The working, tax paying middle class - who rented and saved until they could
> buy a house they could afford - who shopped for the best fixed rate mortgage
> they could find - who pay their bills on time and live within their mean -
> well big fucking surprise, they're taking it in the ass again. They will
> ultimately be the ones to foot the bill - as they always are. So what the
> fuck has changed? It sure as hell looks like business as usual to me.
>


You used to think business as usual was a good thing. Why have you
changed?

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Date: 19 Feb 2009 17:08:53
From: phlash74
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
On Feb 19, 4:36=A0pm, "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net >
wrote:
> "phlash74" <phlas...@msn.com> wrote in message
>
> news:iit076x4t1.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Michael
> > U.S. American
>
> > "Frankly, I think this was a good post. =A0And on its merit too, not ju=
st
> > because you jammed it up Irish Mike's ass pretty good. =A0Icing on the =
cake.
> > lol"
>
> > -Paul Popinjay, 3/19/08
>
> lol =A0What's THIS? =A0How long have you had this sig line? =A0I just not=
iced it.
> That's pretty funny, if I do say so myself. =A0lol
>
> Now GET RID OF IT!!!


Just added the sig line. I think I have a right to use it, since it
was one of my posts that prompted it:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gambling.poker/msg/a6b88be075e71639?hl=
=3Den


Michael
U.S. American


-----------------
"Frankly, I think this was a good post. And on its merit too, not
just
because you jammed it up Irish Mike's ass pretty good. Icing on the
cake.
lol"


-Paul Popinjay, 3/19/08


  
Date: 19 Feb 2009 15:38:49
From: Slim1Der
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again

> You used to think business as usual was a good thing. =A0Why have you
> changed?
>
> --------=A0
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LOL! THAT'S WHAT i WAS GOING TO SAY!

Slim



  
Date: 19 Feb 2009 12:55:14
From: phlash74
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
On Feb 19 2009 10:26 AM, garycarson wrote:

> On Feb 19 2009 12:03 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> > The Wall Street fat cats swindled investors out of billions and walked
away
> > free and clear. The minorities and financially irresponsible dim wits who
> > bought houses they couldn't afford with mortgages they were too stupid to
> > read are getting the Obama bail and being rewarded for their bad
decisions.
> > The working, tax paying middle class - who rented and saved until they
could
> > buy a house they could afford - who shopped for the best fixed rate
mortgage
> > they could find - who pay their bills on time and live within their mean -
> > well big fucking surprise, they're taking it in the ass again. They will
> > ultimately be the ones to foot the bill - as they always are. So what the
> > fuck has changed? It sure as hell looks like business as usual to me.
> >
>
>
> You used to think business as usual was a good thing. Why have you
> changed?

Yeah, I thought he was pretty high up at a Fortune 500 company, or so he
said repeatedly. But he probably can't figure out why the same companies
that beat the deregulation drum are now lining up with their hands out.

Michael
U.S. American

"Frankly, I think this was a good post. And on its merit too, not just
because you jammed it up Irish Mike's ass pretty good. Icing on the cake.
lol"

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Date: 19 Feb 2009 16:36:11
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
"phlash74" <phlash74@msn.com > wrote in message
news:iit076x4t1.ln2@recgroups.com...

>
> Michael
> U.S. American
>
> "Frankly, I think this was a good post. And on its merit too, not just
> because you jammed it up Irish Mike's ass pretty good. Icing on the cake.
> lol"
>
> -Paul Popinjay, 3/19/08
>


lol What's THIS? How long have you had this sig line? I just noticed it.
That's pretty funny, if I do say so myself. lol

Now GET RID OF IT!!!




   
Date: 19 Feb 2009 18:32:23
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again

"phlash74" <phlash74@msn.com > wrote in message
news:iit076x4t1.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 19 2009 10:26 AM, garycarson wrote:
>
>> On Feb 19 2009 12:03 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>>
>> > The Wall Street fat cats swindled investors out of billions and walked
> away
>> > free and clear. The minorities and financially irresponsible dim wits
>> > who
>> > bought houses they couldn't afford with mortgages they were too stupid
>> > to
>> > read are getting the Obama bail and being rewarded for their bad
> decisions.
>> > The working, tax paying middle class - who rented and saved until they
> could
>> > buy a house they could afford - who shopped for the best fixed rate
> mortgage
>> > they could find - who pay their bills on time and live within their
>> > mean -
>> > well big fucking surprise, they're taking it in the ass again. They
>> > will
>> > ultimately be the ones to foot the bill - as they always are. So what
>> > the
>> > fuck has changed? It sure as hell looks like business as usual to me.
>> >
>>
>>
>> You used to think business as usual was a good thing. Why have you
>> changed?
>
> Yeah, I thought he was pretty high up at a Fortune 500 company, or so he
> said repeatedly. But he probably can't figure out why the same companies
> that beat the deregulation drum are now lining up with their hands out.
>
> Michael
> U.S. American

What does being "pretty high up at a Fortune 500 company" have to do with
any thing. It's a question of who will ultimately get assistance and who
will ultimately pay for the biggest stimulus-spending bill in American
history. I am one of the millions of middle class Americans who worked,
saved money, bought a house I could afford with the best fixed rate mortgage
I could find, lived within my means and pay my bills on time. Most middle
class Americans, me included, don't mind lending a helping hand when some
needs it and we know any one can fall on hard times. However, there's a big
difference between that and bailing out stupid, greedy Wall Streeters, big
labor unions and a bunch of people who used entitlement loans to over spend
and buy things they knew they couldn't afford. And ultimately it will be
the working, middle class American tax payers who will get stuck paying for
this gigantic liberal spending bill.

Irish Mike

Irish Mike




    
Date: 19 Feb 2009 16:25:21
From: phlash74
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
On Feb 19 2009 3:32 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "phlash74" <phlash74@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:iit076x4t1.ln2@recgroups.com...

> > On Feb 19 2009 10:26 AM, garycarson wrote:
> >> You used to think business as usual was a good thing. Why have you
> >> changed?
> >
> > Yeah, I thought he was pretty high up at a Fortune 500 company, or so he
> > said repeatedly. But he probably can't figure out why the same companies
> > that beat the deregulation drum are now lining up with their hands out.
> >
> > Michael
> > U.S. American
>
> What does being "pretty high up at a Fortune 500 company" have to do with
> any thing.

It has to do with being part of the problem. When times are good, large
corporations always want the government to stay out of their business, and
chant the mantra "the market will take care of itself". However, when
things go bad, those same corporations come running to Washington for a
handout. The Wall Street fat cats you denounce are in bed with the same
people running the Fortune 500 companies, which you as a self-professed
"former VP at a Fortune 500 company" should realize.


> It's a question of who will ultimately get assistance and who
> will ultimately pay for the biggest stimulus-spending bill in American
> history. I am one of the millions of middle class Americans who worked,
> saved money, bought a house I could afford with the best fixed rate mortgage
> I could find, lived within my means and pay my bills on time. Most middle
> class Americans, me included, don't mind lending a helping hand when some
> needs it and we know any one can fall on hard times. However, there's a big
> difference between that and bailing out stupid, greedy Wall Streeters, big
> labor unions and a bunch of people who used entitlement loans to over spend
> and buy things they knew they couldn't afford. And ultimately it will be
> the working, middle class American tax payers who will get stuck paying for
> this gigantic liberal spending bill.
>
> Irish Mike


I'm sure there's a lot of items in the package that are wasteful spending,
and it may not produce the desired results. Like you, I resent my tax
dollars going to people and especially organizations that pursued risky
paths and now expect Washington to clean up their mess. However, you need
to understand that the government isn't willing to just let several banks
collapse without at least trying to do something to get the economy moving
again.

Also, calling it a "liberal spending bill" is pretty disingenuous. What
did you call the TARP bill, or the rebate checks that were mailed out last
year called for by Bush?

Michael
U.S. American

-----------------
"Frankly, I think this was a good post. And on its merit too, not just
because you jammed it up Irish Mike's ass pretty good. Icing on the cake.
lol"

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Date: 19 Feb 2009 19:41:25
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again

"phlash74" <phlash74@msn.com > wrote in message
news:hs9176xc31.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 19 2009 3:32 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
>> "phlash74" <phlash74@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:iit076x4t1.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
>> > On Feb 19 2009 10:26 AM, garycarson wrote:
>> >> You used to think business as usual was a good thing. Why have you
>> >> changed?
>> >
>> > Yeah, I thought he was pretty high up at a Fortune 500 company, or so
>> > he
>> > said repeatedly. But he probably can't figure out why the same
>> > companies
>> > that beat the deregulation drum are now lining up with their hands out.
>> >
>> > Michael
>> > U.S. American
>>
>> What does being "pretty high up at a Fortune 500 company" have to do with
>> any thing.
>
> It has to do with being part of the problem. When times are good, large
> corporations always want the government to stay out of their business, and
> chant the mantra "the market will take care of itself". However, when
> things go bad, those same corporations come running to Washington for a
> handout. The Wall Street fat cats you denounce are in bed with the same
> people running the Fortune 500 companies, which you as a self-professed
> "former VP at a Fortune 500 company" should realize.

Excluding banks, financial companies and the big union auto companies,
American businesses, large and small, just want a chance to compete on a
level playing field. They'd take a reduction in the American business tax
rate, which is one of the highest in the world, over some phoney
stimulus-spending bill. The fact that you lump all Fortune 500 companies in
to one category illustrates how little you know about business in general
and corporations in particular.
>
>
>> It's a question of who will ultimately get assistance and who
>> will ultimately pay for the biggest stimulus-spending bill in American
>> history. I am one of the millions of middle class Americans who worked,
>> saved money, bought a house I could afford with the best fixed rate
>> mortgage
>> I could find, lived within my means and pay my bills on time. Most
>> middle
>> class Americans, me included, don't mind lending a helping hand when some
>> needs it and we know any one can fall on hard times. However, there's a
>> big
>> difference between that and bailing out stupid, greedy Wall Streeters,
>> big
>> labor unions and a bunch of people who used entitlement loans to over
>> spend
>> and buy things they knew they couldn't afford. And ultimately it will be
>> the working, middle class American tax payers who will get stuck paying
>> for
>> this gigantic liberal spending bill.
>>
>> Irish Mike
>
>
> I'm sure there's a lot of items in the package that are wasteful spending,
> and it may not produce the desired results. Like you, I resent my tax
> dollars going to people and especially organizations that pursued risky
> paths and now expect Washington to clean up their mess. However, you need
> to understand that the government isn't willing to just let several banks
> collapse without at least trying to do something to get the economy moving
> again.
>
> Also, calling it a "liberal spending bill" is pretty disingenuous. What
> did you call the TARP bill, or the rebate checks that were mailed out last
> year called for by Bush?
>
> Michael
> U.S. American

The Bush rebate checks didn't stimulate the economy and neither will the
Obama rebate checks.
The key to economic recovery is private sector jobs, not welfare and
entitlement handouts.

Irish Mike
>
> -----------------
> "Frankly, I think this was a good post. And on its merit too, not just
> because you jammed it up Irish Mike's ass pretty good. Icing on the cake.
> lol"
>
> -Paul Popinjay, 3/19/08
>
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Date: 19 Feb 2009 11:25:47
From: chandler
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
On Feb 19 2009 1:26 PM, garycarson wrote:

> On Feb 19 2009 12:03 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> > The Wall Street fat cats swindled investors out of billions and walked
away
> > free and clear. The minorities and financially irresponsible dim wits who
> > bought houses they couldn't afford with mortgages they were too stupid to
> > read are getting the Obama bail and being rewarded for their bad
decisions.
> > The working, tax paying middle class - who rented and saved until they
could
> > buy a house they could afford - who shopped for the best fixed rate
mortgage
> > they could find - who pay their bills on time and live within their mean -
> > well big fucking surprise, they're taking it in the ass again. They will
> > ultimately be the ones to foot the bill - as they always are. So what the
> > fuck has changed? It sure as hell looks like business as usual to me.
> >
>
>
> You used to think business as usual was a good thing. Why have you
> changed?

Well, bucko, something something something, etc.

Chandler

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Date: 19 Feb 2009 09:22:53
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
> So what the fuck has changed? It sure as hell looks like business as usual
to me.
>
> Irish Mike

It looks that way to me as well. I thought you were above middle class
though? I am definitely middle class, but I figured you to be upper class.

==========================================
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nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
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Date: 20 Feb 2009 18:52:08
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
On Feb 19 2009 11:22 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > So what the fuck has changed? It sure as hell looks like business as usual
> to me.
> >
> > Irish Mike
>
> It looks that way to me as well. I thought you were above middle class
> though? I am definitely middle class, but I figured you to be upper class.

maybe in detroit that house is "middle class" , but others would consider
it a 'doll house " at best
>
> ==========================================
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> ==============================
> 47.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
> JBK


Jason,you,
sir, are much, much stupider than FangBanger.

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Date: 19 Feb 2009 12:31:25
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
Upper middle class or lower upper class - either way I resent the fact that
I, and millions just like me, are the ones getting fucked in this deal.

Irish Mike


"John_Brian_K" <a7ecb57@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:d4h076xifp.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> So what the fuck has changed? It sure as hell looks like business as
>> usual
> to me.
>>
>> Irish Mike
>
> It looks that way to me as well. I thought you were above middle class
> though? I am definitely middle class, but I figured you to be upper
> class.
>
> ==========================================
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> ==============================
> 47.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
> JBK
>
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>
>




   
Date: 19 Feb 2009 13:30:39
From: RAZZO RUSS SUCK THE BIG ONE
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
clarification-taxpayers take it in the ass




On Feb 19 2009 12:31 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> Upper middle class or lower upper class - either way I resent the fact that
> I, and millions just like me, are the ones getting fucked in this deal.
>
> Irish Mike
>
>
> "John_Brian_K" <a7ecb57@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:d4h076xifp.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> So what the fuck has changed? It sure as hell looks like business as
> >> usual
> > to me.
> >>
> >> Irish Mike
> >
> > It looks that way to me as well. I thought you were above middle class
> > though? I am definitely middle class, but I figured you to be upper
> > class.
> >
> > ==========================================
> > You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> > nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> > ==============================
> > 47.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
> > JBK
> >


BEND OVER RAZZO RUSS

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Date: 19 Feb 2009 17:20:35
From: Robert Ladd
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again

"RAZZO RUSS SUCK THE BIG ONE" <DMK102845@BELLSOUTH.NET > wrote in message
news:vkv076x3ln.ln2@recgroups.com...
> clarification-taxpayers take it in the ass
>

Actually, anyone holding a dollar is a taxpayer. For the minute, hour, day,
week, month or year that they have a dollar in their hand, in their pocket,
wallet, checking, or savings account that dollar is taxed. That tax is
inflation and it is at work all the time. When you give a dollar to a
homeless person, it is being taxed until he spends it on food, drink, drugs
or whatever.

So the next time you give one of those offramp beggars a buck or two, be
sure to offer him a lift to the nearest 7-11, quickmart, or liquor store so
he can spend it quicker and lessen the inflation impact.

Robert Ladd




     
Date: 20 Feb 2009 18:59:57
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
On Feb 19 2009 6:20 PM, Robert Ladd wrote:

> "RAZZO RUSS SUCK THE BIG ONE" <DMK102845@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote in message
> news:vkv076x3ln.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > clarification-taxpayers take it in the ass
> >
>
> Actually, anyone holding a dollar is a taxpayer. For the minute, hour, day,
> week, month or year that they have a dollar in their hand, in their pocket,
> wallet, checking, or savings account that dollar is taxed. That tax is
> inflation and it is at work all the time. When you give a dollar to a
> homeless person, it is being taxed until he spends it on food, drink, drugs
> or whatever.
>
> So the next time you give one of those offramp beggars a buck or two, be
> sure to offer him a lift to the nearest 7-11, quickmart, or liquor store so
> he can spend it quicker and lessen the inflation impact.
>
> Robert Ladd

Kaiser wouldnt give a quarter EVER to help anyone . And he hasnt payed
any taxes in 30 years


Jason,you,
sir, are much, much stupider than FangBanger.

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Date: 19 Feb 2009 19:04:15
From: RAZZO RUSS SUCK THE BIG ONE
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
Believe me I know that inflation eats up the dollars I have sitting in a
safe deposit box. I would love to invest in the market because it will
come back or buy a couple of houses. I made my choice 40 years ago and
have to pay for it now when money can buy value,



On Feb 19 2009 7:20 PM, Robert Ladd wrote:

> "RAZZO RUSS SUCK THE BIG ONE" <DMK102845@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote in message
> news:vkv076x3ln.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > clarification-taxpayers take it in the ass
> >
>
> Actually, anyone holding a dollar is a taxpayer. For the minute, hour, day,
> week, month or year that they have a dollar in their hand, in their pocket,
> wallet, checking, or savings account that dollar is taxed. That tax is
> inflation and it is at work all the time. When you give a dollar to a
> homeless person, it is being taxed until he spends it on food, drink, drugs
> or whatever.
>
> So the next time you give one of those offramp beggars a buck or two, be
> sure to offer him a lift to the nearest 7-11, quickmart, or liquor store so
> he can spend it quicker and lessen the inflation impact.
>
> Robert Ladd


BEND OVER RAZZO RUSS

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Date: 21 Feb 2009 21:51:10
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
On Feb 19 2009 9:04 PM, RAZZO RUSS SUCK THE BIG ONE wrote:

> Believe me I know that inflation eats up the dollars I have sitting in a
> safe deposit box. I would love to invest in the market because it will
> come back or buy a couple of houses. I made my choice 40 years ago and
> have to pay for it now when money can buy value,

SO YOU HAVE BEEN BEATING POKER FOR 40 YEARS , AND YET THE BIGGEST GAME YOU
PLAY IN IS A 100 CAP N/L ?

As Hurricane Doug would say .. "you dont have a heart the size of a pea !!"
>
>
>
> On Feb 19 2009 7:20 PM, Robert Ladd wrote:
>
> > "RAZZO RUSS SUCK THE BIG ONE" <DMK102845@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote in message
> > news:vkv076x3ln.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > > clarification-taxpayers take it in the ass
> > >
> >
> > Actually, anyone holding a dollar is a taxpayer. For the minute, hour,
day,
> > week, month or year that they have a dollar in their hand, in their
pocket,
> > wallet, checking, or savings account that dollar is taxed. That tax is
> > inflation and it is at work all the time. When you give a dollar to a
> > homeless person, it is being taxed until he spends it on food, drink,
drugs
> > or whatever.
> >
> > So the next time you give one of those offramp beggars a buck or two, be
> > sure to offer him a lift to the nearest 7-11, quickmart, or liquor store
so
> > he can spend it quicker and lessen the inflation impact.
> >
> > Robert Ladd
>
>
> BEND OVER RAZZO RUSS


Jason,you,
sir, are much, much stupider than FangBanger.

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Date: 19 Feb 2009 10:03:37
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
> Upper middle class or lower upper class - either way I resent the fact that
> I, and millions just like me, are the ones getting fucked in this deal.
>
> Irish Mike

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_middle_class

===============
"The "professional class", also called the "upper middle class", consists
mostly of white collar professionals, most of whom are highly educated,
salaried professionals whose work is largely self-directed. Many have
graduate degrees, with educational attainment serving as the main
distinguishing feature of this class. Typical occupations of the
Professional Class would include University Professor, Physician, Lawyer,
Journalist, Architect, Physicist, Chemist, Engineer, Pharmacist and
Airline Pilot. Household incomes commonly exceed $100,000."
===============

I am considered 'upper middle class'?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_middle_class

===============

"Sociologists such as Dennis Gilbert, William Thompson, and Joseph Hickey
estimate the upper middle class to constitute roughly 15% of the
population. Using this figure, one may conclude that the American upper
middle class consist of professionals making more than $62,500 who
commonly reside in households with six figure incomes.[2][14][19][20] Both
of these figures are considerably above the national median of $32,000
regarding individual income and $46,000 for households. Many upper middle
class professions feature salaries above $67,348, which was the median
household income for a household with two income earners in 2003.[21][22]
For example, the median salary for economists was $72,780, meaning that
the majority of economists out earn the majority of two-income households
with their single salaries alone.[23] Overall, the median household income
of a household whose householder had a bachelor's degree or higher was
$77,179. The median household income for those with master's degree was
$81,023, while those with a doctorate or professional degree had a median
income above $100,000 annually.[2][14][24]"

===============

I am stunned to learn i am considered 'upper middle class'. Maybe this is
an all growsd up moment:

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Date: 19 Feb 2009 10:00:59
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
On Feb 19 2009 12:31 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> Upper middle class or lower upper class - either way I resent the fact that
> I, and millions just like me, are the ones getting fucked in this deal.
>
> Irish Mike
>

Surprising that you would think this way Mike. I thought you would be
concerned about the 3-4 million American homeowners on the brink of
foreclosure who are now struggling to make their monthly payments because
of the deep recession; or the 4-5 million American homeowners who have
been unable to refinance their mortgages because (due to no fault of their
own) their home values dropped, erasing much or all of their home equity.

It's totally surprising that you seem unconcerned about the fate of these
9 million Americans, and instead are focused on whether this plan to ease
the housing crisis helps you.

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Date: 20 Feb 2009 18:53:42
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
On Feb 19 2009 12:00 PM, JerseyRudy wrote:

> On Feb 19 2009 12:31 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> > Upper middle class or lower upper class - either way I resent the fact
that
> > I, and millions just like me, are the ones getting fucked in this deal.
> >
> > Irish Mike
> >
>
> Surprising that you would think this way Mike. I thought you would be
> concerned about the 3-4 million American homeowners on the brink of
> foreclosure who are now struggling to make their monthly payments because
> of the deep recession; or the 4-5 million American homeowners who have
> been unable to refinance their mortgages because (due to no fault of their
> own) their home values dropped, erasing much or all of their home equity.
>
> It's totally surprising that you seem unconcerned about the fate of these
> 9 million Americans, and instead are focused on whether this plan to ease
> the housing crisis helps you.

how republican of him !!


Jason,you,
sir, are much, much stupider than FangBanger.

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Date: 19 Feb 2009 17:53:12
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again

"JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:rbj076xisi.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 19 2009 12:31 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
>> Upper middle class or lower upper class - either way I resent the fact
>> that
>> I, and millions just like me, are the ones getting fucked in this deal.
>>
>> Irish Mike
>>
>
> Surprising that you would think this way Mike. I thought you would be
> concerned about the 3-4 million American homeowners on the brink of
> foreclosure who are now struggling to make their monthly payments because
> of the deep recession; or the 4-5 million American homeowners who have
> been unable to refinance their mortgages because (due to no fault of their
> own) their home values dropped, erasing much or all of their home equity.
>
> It's totally surprising that you seem unconcerned about the fate of these
> 9 million Americans, and instead are focused on whether this plan to ease
> the housing crisis helps you.

Well bucko, you've got Obama and the whole Democrat party focused on those
voters they can buy with their welfare and entitlement programs. Not to
mention the liberal mainstream press. I've yet to see any one who is truly
concerned about the working middle class tax payer who will ultimately end
up paying for this gigantic spending bill.

Irish Mike




    
Date: 19 Feb 2009 10:09:33
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
> Surprising that you would think this way Mike. I thought you would be
> concerned about the 3-4 million American homeowners on the brink of
> foreclosure who are now struggling to make their monthly payments because
> of the deep recession;

If I lost my job right now. If my woman lost her job right now. We could
afford our mortgage payment by getting jobs just about anywhere. You know
why? Because I didn't max out what the 'expert lenders' said I could
afford. I would have to give up the 2 cars and work out repayment on our
student loans (the other 2 biggest expenses for us right now), but I could
do it.

> or the 4-5 million American homeowners who have
> been unable to refinance their mortgages because (due to no fault of their
> own) their home values dropped, erasing much or all of their home equity.

Why would these people 'need' to refinance because their equity dipped?
Stay in the house and wait til the equity jumps again. This example makes
no sense. If the only reason you 'want' to refinance is because your
equity dropped then too fucking bad.

> It's totally surprising that you seem unconcerned about the fate of these
> 9 million Americans, and instead are focused on whether this plan to ease
> the housing crisis helps you.

What have you done for ME lately?

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Date: 20 Feb 2009 18:55:36
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
On Feb 19 2009 12:09 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > Surprising that you would think this way Mike. I thought you would be
> > concerned about the 3-4 million American homeowners on the brink of
> > foreclosure who are now struggling to make their monthly payments because
> > of the deep recession;
>
> If I lost my job right now. If my woman lost her job right now. We could
> afford our mortgage payment by getting jobs just about anywhere. You know
> why? Because I didn't max out what the 'expert lenders' said I could
> afford. I would have to give up the 2 cars and work out repayment on our
> student loans (the other 2 biggest expenses for us right now), but I could
> do it.

NOT TO WORRY .. You could always rent out the "guest house "...oh yeah ..
nevermind ..

(literally crying laughing as I type this )
>
> > or the 4-5 million American homeowners who have
> > been unable to refinance their mortgages because (due to no fault of their
> > own) their home values dropped, erasing much or all of their home equity.
>
> Why would these people 'need' to refinance because their equity dipped?
> Stay in the house and wait til the equity jumps again. This example makes
> no sense. If the only reason you 'want' to refinance is because your
> equity dropped then too fucking bad.
>
> > It's totally surprising that you seem unconcerned about the fate of these
> > 9 million Americans, and instead are focused on whether this plan to ease
> > the housing crisis helps you.
>
> What have you done for ME lately?
>
> ==========================================
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> ==============================
> 47.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
> JBK


Jason,you,
sir, are much, much stupider than FangBanger.

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Date: 21 Feb 2009 21:45:27
From: FangBanger
Subject: this one conveniently ignored
no response here .. i guess !!

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Date: 19 Feb 2009 10:22:58
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
On Feb 19 2009 1:09 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > Surprising that you would think this way Mike. I thought you would be
> > concerned about the 3-4 million American homeowners on the brink of
> > foreclosure who are now struggling to make their monthly payments because
> > of the deep recession;
>
> If I lost my job right now. If my woman lost her job right now. We could
> afford our mortgage payment by getting jobs just about anywhere. You know
> why? Because I didn't max out what the 'expert lenders' said I could
> afford. I would have to give up the 2 cars and work out repayment on our
> student loans (the other 2 biggest expenses for us right now), but I could
> do it.

Good for you. That doesn't change the fact that there are 3-4 million
American homeowners who can't do it. I'm not saying that these people
acted the same way you or I would act. But these are the number of people
in America who face imminent foreclosure if nothing is done.

This isn't about assessing blame; this is about preventing massive
foreclosures that will be catastrophic for the housing sector and thereby
substantially deepen the current economic crisis.
>
> > or the 4-5 million American homeowners who have
> > been unable to refinance their mortgages because (due to no fault of their
> > own) their home values dropped, erasing much or all of their home equity.
>
> Why would these people 'need' to refinance because their equity dipped?
> Stay in the house and wait til the equity jumps again. This example makes
> no sense. If the only reason you 'want' to refinance is because your
> equity dropped then too fucking bad.

You're misreading what I wrote, or I miswrote what I meant to write.
These people don't need to refinance because their equity dropped. They
need to refinance because that is the only way to get a more affordable
monthly mortgage payment that will allow them to stay in their homes. They
are unable to refinance because their home equity dropped.
>

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Date: 19 Feb 2009 18:02:12
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again

"JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:2lk076xnv1.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 19 2009 1:09 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
>
>> > Surprising that you would think this way Mike. I thought you would be
>> > concerned about the 3-4 million American homeowners on the brink of
>> > foreclosure who are now struggling to make their monthly payments
>> > because
>> > of the deep recession;
>>
>> If I lost my job right now. If my woman lost her job right now. We
>> could
>> afford our mortgage payment by getting jobs just about anywhere. You
>> know
>> why? Because I didn't max out what the 'expert lenders' said I could
>> afford. I would have to give up the 2 cars and work out repayment on our
>> student loans (the other 2 biggest expenses for us right now), but I
>> could
>> do it.
>
> Good for you. That doesn't change the fact that there are 3-4 million
> American homeowners who can't do it. I'm not saying that these people
> acted the same way you or I would act. But these are the number of people
> in America who face imminent foreclosure if nothing is done.
>
> This isn't about assessing blame; this is about preventing massive
> foreclosures that will be catastrophic for the housing sector and thereby
> substantially deepen the current economic crisis.
>>
>> > or the 4-5 million American homeowners who have
>> > been unable to refinance their mortgages because (due to no fault of
>> > their
>> > own) their home values dropped, erasing much or all of their home
>> > equity.
>>
>> Why would these people 'need' to refinance because their equity dipped?
>> Stay in the house and wait til the equity jumps again. This example
>> makes
>> no sense. If the only reason you 'want' to refinance is because your
>> equity dropped then too fucking bad.
>
> You're misreading what I wrote, or I miswrote what I meant to write.
> These people don't need to refinance because their equity dropped. They
> need to refinance because that is the only way to get a more affordable
> monthly mortgage payment that will allow them to stay in their homes. They
> are unable to refinance because their home equity dropped.

The key to economic recovery is job creation. If a person knows they have a
job and that they have a reasonable expectation that it is a permanent job,
they can pay their bills and will begin to spend money. That is why we
financial conservatives were so upset that Obama chose to create this
gigantic liberal Demcocrat spending spending bill instead of focusing on
things that would have an immediate impact on creating jobs in the private
sector. Only about 20% of Obama's money will even be spent in the next 18
months. The American economy will recover over time but it will have little
to do with this massive pork-filled, special interest spending bill.

Irish Mike




       
Date: 20 Feb 2009 07:27:12
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
On Feb 19 2009 6:02 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:2lk076xnv1.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Feb 19 2009 1:09 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> >
> >> > Surprising that you would think this way Mike. I thought you would be
> >> > concerned about the 3-4 million American homeowners on the brink of
> >> > foreclosure who are now struggling to make their monthly payments
> >> > because
> >> > of the deep recession;
> >>
> >> If I lost my job right now. If my woman lost her job right now. We
> >> could
> >> afford our mortgage payment by getting jobs just about anywhere. You
> >> know
> >> why? Because I didn't max out what the 'expert lenders' said I could
> >> afford. I would have to give up the 2 cars and work out repayment on our
> >> student loans (the other 2 biggest expenses for us right now), but I
> >> could
> >> do it.
> >
> > Good for you. That doesn't change the fact that there are 3-4 million
> > American homeowners who can't do it. I'm not saying that these people
> > acted the same way you or I would act. But these are the number of people
> > in America who face imminent foreclosure if nothing is done.
> >
> > This isn't about assessing blame; this is about preventing massive
> > foreclosures that will be catastrophic for the housing sector and thereby
> > substantially deepen the current economic crisis.
> >>
> >> > or the 4-5 million American homeowners who have
> >> > been unable to refinance their mortgages because (due to no fault of
> >> > their
> >> > own) their home values dropped, erasing much or all of their home
> >> > equity.
> >>
> >> Why would these people 'need' to refinance because their equity dipped?
> >> Stay in the house and wait til the equity jumps again. This example
> >> makes
> >> no sense. If the only reason you 'want' to refinance is because your
> >> equity dropped then too fucking bad.
> >
> > You're misreading what I wrote, or I miswrote what I meant to write.
> > These people don't need to refinance because their equity dropped. They
> > need to refinance because that is the only way to get a more affordable
> > monthly mortgage payment that will allow them to stay in their homes. They
> > are unable to refinance because their home equity dropped.
>
> The key to economic recovery is job creation. If a person knows they have a
> job and that they have a reasonable expectation that it is a permanent job,
> they can pay their bills and will begin to spend money.

Geez Mike, you sound like the head of the Teacher's Union talking about
the benefits of tenure!

Do you have any specific proposals on how the Government can provide
people with a "reasonable expectation that their jobs are permanent?"
Sounds more like Marxism than Conservatism.

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Date: 20 Feb 2009 13:56:07
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again

"JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:gnu276xauq.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 19 2009 6:02 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
>> "JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:2lk076xnv1.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > On Feb 19 2009 1:09 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
>> >
>> >> > Surprising that you would think this way Mike. I thought you would
>> >> > be
>> >> > concerned about the 3-4 million American homeowners on the brink of
>> >> > foreclosure who are now struggling to make their monthly payments
>> >> > because
>> >> > of the deep recession;
>> >>
>> >> If I lost my job right now. If my woman lost her job right now. We
>> >> could
>> >> afford our mortgage payment by getting jobs just about anywhere. You
>> >> know
>> >> why? Because I didn't max out what the 'expert lenders' said I could
>> >> afford. I would have to give up the 2 cars and work out repayment on
>> >> our
>> >> student loans (the other 2 biggest expenses for us right now), but I
>> >> could
>> >> do it.
>> >
>> > Good for you. That doesn't change the fact that there are 3-4 million
>> > American homeowners who can't do it. I'm not saying that these people
>> > acted the same way you or I would act. But these are the number of
>> > people
>> > in America who face imminent foreclosure if nothing is done.
>> >
>> > This isn't about assessing blame; this is about preventing massive
>> > foreclosures that will be catastrophic for the housing sector and
>> > thereby
>> > substantially deepen the current economic crisis.
>> >>
>> >> > or the 4-5 million American homeowners who have
>> >> > been unable to refinance their mortgages because (due to no fault of
>> >> > their
>> >> > own) their home values dropped, erasing much or all of their home
>> >> > equity.
>> >>
>> >> Why would these people 'need' to refinance because their equity
>> >> dipped?
>> >> Stay in the house and wait til the equity jumps again. This example
>> >> makes
>> >> no sense. If the only reason you 'want' to refinance is because your
>> >> equity dropped then too fucking bad.
>> >
>> > You're misreading what I wrote, or I miswrote what I meant to write.
>> > These people don't need to refinance because their equity dropped. They
>> > need to refinance because that is the only way to get a more affordable
>> > monthly mortgage payment that will allow them to stay in their homes.
>> > They
>> > are unable to refinance because their home equity dropped.
>>
>> The key to economic recovery is job creation. If a person knows they
>> have a
>> job and that they have a reasonable expectation that it is a permanent
>> job,
>> they can pay their bills and will begin to spend money.
>
> Geez Mike, you sound like the head of the Teacher's Union talking about
> the benefits of tenure!
>
> Do you have any specific proposals on how the Government can provide
> people with a "reasonable expectation that their jobs are permanent?"
> Sounds more like Marxism than Conservatism.

Yeah ButBushRudy, I do, but you won't like the answer. You create more
private sector jobs in an environment that encourages business investment
and growth. How do you do that? You cut pay roll taxes, corporate and
business taxes and you suspend captial gains and dividend taxes for "X"
period of time. Then you announced that there will be no tax increases of
any kind for at least "X" period of time. Then you put together a list of
things to help businesses start, grow and expand. For example, you cut
through government red tape, review some of the more insane and restrictive
government regulations, offer incentives to new start up businesses and
existing businesses that expand and that hire new employees, etc. Then you
look at every line of the goverment spending budget, just as Obama said he
would do. You eliminate every wasteful, bullshit boondoggle spending
project and re-direct that money in to government spending on infrastructure
and other projects that will have immediate (within the next twelve to
eighteen months) impact on the job market and the economy. You announce a
project to make better and more efficient use of existing entitlement,
welfare and give away programs. You announce that you are not cutting any
existing programs but you are not starting any new ones and you are going to
make better use of the money that is already being spent and this include
identifying the cheats and scammers. You create a program that rewards work
and encourages current welfare recipients to get off welfare and go get a
job. Similiarly, you offer an incentive to businesses that hire current
welfare recipients and get them off welfare. You set up a special team of
DAs and Prosecutors to identify, charge and try Wall Street con men and
swindlers and when convicted, they go to real prisons and do real prison
time. You do a clean sweep of the congressional banking and finance
committees as well as the Ways and Means committee. Not to point fingers,
but to restore public confidence you move Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and
Charlie Rangle out of those positions and replace them with financial
conservatives. You start a joint effort with banks to make more loans to
*qualified borrowers* and you relieve them of all pressure to make high risk
subprime loans to *unqualified borrowers*. Then you work with the banks to
identify those current home owners who were formerly paying their mortgages
but have now fallen on temporary hard times and you work to help keep them
in their homes. This does not mean the person who bought a no money down
house they could never have afforded in the first place.

Now these are some of the things Obama could and should have done
ButBushRudy, but the problem is that it doesn't advance the liberal
socialist Democrat agenda. It doesn't reward bad decisions and it doesn't
buy entitlement votes. But the sad fact is, Obama did not choose to do
that. He chose to follow the "liberal vision" and spend a $ trillion+ on a
massive boondoggle that grows the federal government and includes every
thing from frisbee parks to welfare hand outs to people who currently pay
zero income tax. In addition, only about 20% of the money will even hit the
economy in the next 18 months. That's one of the key reasons the stock
market has been in free fall ever since Obama announced his spending plan.
Businesses know it's not going to do jack shit to really help them, or this
economy.

Irish Mike




         
Date: 21 Feb 2009 21:48:24
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
On Feb 20 2009 12:56 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:gnu276xauq.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Feb 19 2009 6:02 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >
> >> "JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:2lk076xnv1.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> > On Feb 19 2009 1:09 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> > Surprising that you would think this way Mike. I thought you would
> >> >> > be
> >> >> > concerned about the 3-4 million American homeowners on the brink of
> >> >> > foreclosure who are now struggling to make their monthly payments
> >> >> > because
> >> >> > of the deep recession;
> >> >>
> >> >> If I lost my job right now. If my woman lost her job right now. We
> >> >> could
> >> >> afford our mortgage payment by getting jobs just about anywhere. You
> >> >> know
> >> >> why? Because I didn't max out what the 'expert lenders' said I could
> >> >> afford. I would have to give up the 2 cars and work out repayment on
> >> >> our
> >> >> student loans (the other 2 biggest expenses for us right now), but I
> >> >> could
> >> >> do it.
> >> >
> >> > Good for you. That doesn't change the fact that there are 3-4 million
> >> > American homeowners who can't do it. I'm not saying that these people
> >> > acted the same way you or I would act. But these are the number of
> >> > people
> >> > in America who face imminent foreclosure if nothing is done.
> >> >
> >> > This isn't about assessing blame; this is about preventing massive
> >> > foreclosures that will be catastrophic for the housing sector and
> >> > thereby
> >> > substantially deepen the current economic crisis.
> >> >>
> >> >> > or the 4-5 million American homeowners who have
> >> >> > been unable to refinance their mortgages because (due to no fault of
> >> >> > their
> >> >> > own) their home values dropped, erasing much or all of their home
> >> >> > equity.
> >> >>
> >> >> Why would these people 'need' to refinance because their equity
> >> >> dipped?
> >> >> Stay in the house and wait til the equity jumps again. This example
> >> >> makes
> >> >> no sense. If the only reason you 'want' to refinance is because your
> >> >> equity dropped then too fucking bad.
> >> >
> >> > You're misreading what I wrote, or I miswrote what I meant to write.
> >> > These people don't need to refinance because their equity dropped. They
> >> > need to refinance because that is the only way to get a more affordable
> >> > monthly mortgage payment that will allow them to stay in their homes.
> >> > They
> >> > are unable to refinance because their home equity dropped.
> >>
> >> The key to economic recovery is job creation. If a person knows they
> >> have a
> >> job and that they have a reasonable expectation that it is a permanent
> >> job,
> >> they can pay their bills and will begin to spend money.
> >
> > Geez Mike, you sound like the head of the Teacher's Union talking about
> > the benefits of tenure!
> >
> > Do you have any specific proposals on how the Government can provide
> > people with a "reasonable expectation that their jobs are permanent?"
> > Sounds more like Marxism than Conservatism.
>
> Yeah ButBushRudy, I do, but you won't like the answer. You create more
> private sector jobs in an environment that encourages business investment
> and growth. How do you do that? You cut pay roll taxes, corporate and
> business taxes and you suspend captial gains and dividend taxes for "X"
> period of time. Then you announced that there will be no tax increases of
> any kind for at least "X" period of time. Then you put together a list of
> things to help businesses start, grow and expand. For example, you cut
> through government red tape, review some of the more insane and restrictive
> government regulations, offer incentives to new start up businesses and
> existing businesses that expand and that hire new employees, etc. Then you
> look at every line of the goverment spending budget, just as Obama said he
> would do. You eliminate every wasteful, bullshit boondoggle spending
> project and re-direct that money in to government spending on infrastructure
> and other projects that will have immediate (within the next twelve to
> eighteen months) impact on the job market and the economy. You announce a
> project to make better and more efficient use of existing entitlement,
> welfare and give away programs. You announce that you are not cutting any
> existing programs but you are not starting any new ones and you are going to
> make better use of the money that is already being spent and this include
> identifying the cheats and scammers. You create a program that rewards work
> and encourages current welfare recipients to get off welfare and go get a
> job. Similiarly, you offer an incentive to businesses that hire current
> welfare recipients and get them off welfare. You set up a special team of
> DAs and Prosecutors to identify, charge and try Wall Street con men and
> swindlers and when convicted, they go to real prisons and do real prison
> time. You do a clean sweep of the congressional banking and finance
> committees as well as the Ways and Means committee. Not to point fingers,
> but to restore public confidence you move Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and
> Charlie Rangle out of those positions and replace them with financial
> conservatives. You start a joint effort with banks to make more loans to
> *qualified borrowers* and you relieve them of all pressure to make high risk
> subprime loans to *unqualified borrowers*. Then you work with the banks to
> identify those current home owners who were formerly paying their mortgages
> but have now fallen on temporary hard times and you work to help keep them
> in their homes. This does not mean the person who bought a no money down
> house they could never have afforded in the first place.
>
> Now these are some of the things Obama could and should have done
> ButBushRudy, but the problem is that it doesn't advance the liberal
> socialist Democrat agenda. It doesn't reward bad decisions and it doesn't
> buy entitlement votes. But the sad fact is, Obama did not choose to do
> that. He chose to follow the "liberal vision" and spend a $ trillion+ on a
> massive boondoggle that grows the federal government and includes every
> thing from frisbee parks to welfare hand outs to people who currently pay
> zero income tax. In addition, only about 20% of the money will even hit the
> economy in the next 18 months. That's one of the key reasons the stock
> market has been in free fall ever since Obama announced his spending plan.
> Businesses know it's not going to do jack shit to really help them, or this
> economy.
>
> Irish Mike

AND IF YOU DO ALL OF THE ABOVE .. WHO PAYS FOR YOUR WAR YOUR VILLAGE IDIOT
ELECTED TO MANUFACTURE ?


Jason,you,
sir, are much, much stupider than FangBanger.

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Date: 19 Feb 2009 10:38:18
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
> Good for you. That doesn't change the fact that there are 3-4 million
> American homeowners who can't do it. I'm not saying that these people
> acted the same way you or I would act. But these are the number of people
> in America who face imminent foreclosure if nothing is done.

Let me ask you this: If you are one of these people who now can not
afford your mortgage and you are 'bailed out' in some way how do you feel
about it? Are you going to expect the government to come in and help you
out everytime something happens in your life? Even if it is a nation wide
problem with a minority of population having your same issue? We are in
an economic downturn right now, but giving handouts to people who are not
responsible only perpetuates the problem, it does nothing to fix the
problem. You want to fix the problem? Fix the importing/exporting
agreements.

> This isn't about assessing blame; this is about preventing massive
> foreclosures that will be catastrophic for the housing sector and thereby
> substantially deepen the current economic crisis.

i am not in favor of giving money or 'assistance' to people who fucked up,
but I am a conservative so I guess that response makes sense.

> > > or the 4-5 million American homeowners who have
> > > been unable to refinance their mortgages because (due to no fault of
their
> > > own) their home values dropped, erasing much or all of their home equity.
> >
> > Why would these people 'need' to refinance because their equity dipped?
> > Stay in the house and wait til the equity jumps again. This example makes
> > no sense. If the only reason you 'want' to refinance is because your
> > equity dropped then too fucking bad.
>
> You're misreading what I wrote, or I miswrote what I meant to write.
> These people don't need to refinance because their equity dropped. They
> need to refinance because that is the only way to get a more affordable
> monthly mortgage payment that will allow them to stay in their homes. They
> are unable to refinance because their home equity dropped.

You miswrote what you meant. Let them refinance at the going rate as it
relates to their personal credit, but let me ask you another question.
Out of these '4-5 million people' how many own just one home? How many
make enough money that even if they refinance they will be able to afford
their mortgage at the lower rate? And finally the most important
question: How many out of these '4-5 million' are hard working Americans
who just happened to lose a job because the economy sucks? I would
venture a guess, not many.

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Date: 19 Feb 2009 10:47:58
From: Jason Pawloski
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
On Feb 19 2009 11:38 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > Good for you. That doesn't change the fact that there are 3-4 million
> > American homeowners who can't do it. I'm not saying that these people
> > acted the same way you or I would act. But these are the number of people
> > in America who face imminent foreclosure if nothing is done.
>
> Let me ask you this: If you are one of these people who now can not
> afford your mortgage and you are 'bailed out' in some way how do you feel
> about it? Are you going to expect the government to come in and help you
> out everytime something happens in your life? Even if it is a nation wide
> problem with a minority of population having your same issue? We are in
> an economic downturn right now, but giving handouts to people who are not
> responsible only perpetuates the problem, it does nothing to fix the
> problem. You want to fix the problem? Fix the importing/exporting
> agreements.
>
> > This isn't about assessing blame; this is about preventing massive
> > foreclosures that will be catastrophic for the housing sector and thereby
> > substantially deepen the current economic crisis.
>
> i am not in favor of giving money or 'assistance' to people who fucked up,
> but I am a conservative so I guess that response makes sense.
>
> > > > or the 4-5 million American homeowners who have
> > > > been unable to refinance their mortgages because (due to no fault of
> their
> > > > own) their home values dropped, erasing much or all of their home
equity.
> > >
> > > Why would these people 'need' to refinance because their equity dipped?
> > > Stay in the house and wait til the equity jumps again. This example
makes
> > > no sense. If the only reason you 'want' to refinance is because your
> > > equity dropped then too fucking bad.
> >
> > You're misreading what I wrote, or I miswrote what I meant to write.
> > These people don't need to refinance because their equity dropped. They
> > need to refinance because that is the only way to get a more affordable
> > monthly mortgage payment that will allow them to stay in their homes. They
> > are unable to refinance because their home equity dropped.
>
> You miswrote what you meant. Let them refinance at the going rate as it
> relates to their personal credit, but let me ask you another question.
> Out of these '4-5 million people' how many own just one home? How many
> make enough money that even if they refinance they will be able to afford
> their mortgage at the lower rate? And finally the most important
> question: How many out of these '4-5 million' are hard working Americans
> who just happened to lose a job because the economy sucks? I would
> venture a guess, not many.
>
> ==========================================
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> ==============================
> 47.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
> JBK

Did you see how I worked Jersey Rudy yesterday in the Sarah Palin tax
cheat thread? I worked him good. Real good. And you know how unintelligent
I am. Imagine how dumb he must be. So tone down your posts so he can
understand you. Thanks.

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Date: 20 Feb 2009 18:57:56
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
On Feb 19 2009 12:47 PM, Jason Pawloski wrote:

> On Feb 19 2009 11:38 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:
>
> > > Good for you. That doesn't change the fact that there are 3-4 million
> > > American homeowners who can't do it. I'm not saying that these people
> > > acted the same way you or I would act. But these are the number of people
> > > in America who face imminent foreclosure if nothing is done.
> >
> > Let me ask you this: If you are one of these people who now can not
> > afford your mortgage and you are 'bailed out' in some way how do you feel
> > about it? Are you going to expect the government to come in and help you
> > out everytime something happens in your life? Even if it is a nation wide
> > problem with a minority of population having your same issue? We are in
> > an economic downturn right now, but giving handouts to people who are not
> > responsible only perpetuates the problem, it does nothing to fix the
> > problem. You want to fix the problem? Fix the importing/exporting
> > agreements.
> >
> > > This isn't about assessing blame; this is about preventing massive
> > > foreclosures that will be catastrophic for the housing sector and thereby
> > > substantially deepen the current economic crisis.
> >
> > i am not in favor of giving money or 'assistance' to people who fucked up,
> > but I am a conservative so I guess that response makes sense.
> >
> > > > > or the 4-5 million American homeowners who have
> > > > > been unable to refinance their mortgages because (due to no fault of
> > their
> > > > > own) their home values dropped, erasing much or all of their home
> equity.
> > > >
> > > > Why would these people 'need' to refinance because their equity
dipped?
> > > > Stay in the house and wait til the equity jumps again. This example
> makes
> > > > no sense. If the only reason you 'want' to refinance is because your
> > > > equity dropped then too fucking bad.
> > >
> > > You're misreading what I wrote, or I miswrote what I meant to write.
> > > These people don't need to refinance because their equity dropped. They
> > > need to refinance because that is the only way to get a more affordable
> > > monthly mortgage payment that will allow them to stay in their homes.
They
> > > are unable to refinance because their home equity dropped.
> >
> > You miswrote what you meant. Let them refinance at the going rate as it
> > relates to their personal credit, but let me ask you another question.
> > Out of these '4-5 million people' how many own just one home? How many
> > make enough money that even if they refinance they will be able to afford
> > their mortgage at the lower rate? And finally the most important
> > question: How many out of these '4-5 million' are hard working Americans
> > who just happened to lose a job because the economy sucks? I would
> > venture a guess, not many.
> >
> > ==========================================
> > You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> > nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> > ==============================
> > 47.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
> > JBK
>
> Did you see how I worked Jersey Rudy yesterday in the Sarah Palin tax
> cheat thread? I worked him good. Real good. And you know how unintelligent
> I am. Imagine how dumb he must be. So tone down your posts so he can
> understand you. Thanks.

AND YOU GOT ABSOLUTELY NONE OF IT CORRECT. You dont know the first thing
about per diem , how it is payed and why it is payed .
>
> --
> "Actually, I will read Jason's posts too. He's smart also." - Paul
> Popinjay, 10/21/2007 (http://tinyurl.com/4bggyp)


Jason,you,
sir, are much, much stupider than FangBanger.

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Date: 20 Feb 2009 19:48:03
From: Jason Pawloski
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
On Feb 20 2009 7:57 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> On Feb 19 2009 12:47 PM, Jason Pawloski wrote:
>
> > On Feb 19 2009 11:38 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> >
> > > > Good for you. That doesn't change the fact that there are 3-4 million
> > > > American homeowners who can't do it. I'm not saying that these people
> > > > acted the same way you or I would act. But these are the number of
people
> > > > in America who face imminent foreclosure if nothing is done.
> > >
> > > Let me ask you this: If you are one of these people who now can not
> > > afford your mortgage and you are 'bailed out' in some way how do you feel
> > > about it? Are you going to expect the government to come in and help you
> > > out everytime something happens in your life? Even if it is a nation
wide
> > > problem with a minority of population having your same issue? We are in
> > > an economic downturn right now, but giving handouts to people who are not
> > > responsible only perpetuates the problem, it does nothing to fix the
> > > problem. You want to fix the problem? Fix the importing/exporting
> > > agreements.
> > >
> > > > This isn't about assessing blame; this is about preventing massive
> > > > foreclosures that will be catastrophic for the housing sector and
thereby
> > > > substantially deepen the current economic crisis.
> > >
> > > i am not in favor of giving money or 'assistance' to people who fucked
up,
> > > but I am a conservative so I guess that response makes sense.
> > >
> > > > > > or the 4-5 million American homeowners who have
> > > > > > been unable to refinance their mortgages because (due to no fault
of
> > > their
> > > > > > own) their home values dropped, erasing much or all of their home
> > equity.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why would these people 'need' to refinance because their equity
> dipped?
> > > > > Stay in the house and wait til the equity jumps again. This example
> > makes
> > > > > no sense. If the only reason you 'want' to refinance is because your
> > > > > equity dropped then too fucking bad.
> > > >
> > > > You're misreading what I wrote, or I miswrote what I meant to write.
> > > > These people don't need to refinance because their equity dropped. They
> > > > need to refinance because that is the only way to get a more affordable
> > > > monthly mortgage payment that will allow them to stay in their homes.
> They
> > > > are unable to refinance because their home equity dropped.
> > >
> > > You miswrote what you meant. Let them refinance at the going rate as it
> > > relates to their personal credit, but let me ask you another question.
> > > Out of these '4-5 million people' how many own just one home? How many
> > > make enough money that even if they refinance they will be able to afford
> > > their mortgage at the lower rate? And finally the most important
> > > question: How many out of these '4-5 million' are hard working Americans
> > > who just happened to lose a job because the economy sucks? I would
> > > venture a guess, not many.
> > >
> > > ==========================================
> > > You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> > > nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> > > ==============================
> > > 47.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
> > > JBK
> >
> > Did you see how I worked Jersey Rudy yesterday in the Sarah Palin tax
> > cheat thread? I worked him good. Real good. And you know how unintelligent
> > I am. Imagine how dumb he must be. So tone down your posts so he can
> > understand you. Thanks.
>
> AND YOU GOT ABSOLUTELY NONE OF IT CORRECT. You dont know the first thing
> about per diem , how it is payed and why it is payed .

Which has nothing to do with anything I posted. Another failure by the
failbag. Fucking idiot.

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Date: 19 Feb 2009 09:27:33
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
"John_Brian_K" <a7ecb57@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:d4h076xifp.ln2@recgroups.com...

>
> It looks that way to me as well. I thought you were above middle class
> though? I am definitely middle class, but I figured you to be upper
> class.
>


Peasant!!!




   
Date: 20 Feb 2009 03:57:45
From: Lab Rat
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again

"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:sEgnl.18212$c45.1848@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
> "John_Brian_K" <a7ecb57@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:d4h076xifp.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
>>
>> It looks that way to me as well. I thought you were above middle class
>> though? I am definitely middle class, but I figured you to be upper
>> class.
>>
>
>
> Peasant!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVFERVA




   
Date: 19 Feb 2009 09:42:58
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Middle class takes it in the ass - again
> Peasant!!!

o0o

Go talk to a donkey!

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