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Date: 27 Dec 2008 10:32:19
From:
Subject: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed

The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
birthday:


http://news.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/abc/world/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1&feedname=CBC-WORLD-V3&showbyline=True&date=true&newsitemid=gaza

At least 155 die as Israel launches air strikes on Gaza

The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke rose
above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed.
Israel Army Radio said at least 40 targets were hit.

Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber,
witnesses said.

The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several more
waves followed.

Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through the
streets and women frantically looked for their children.










 
Date: 04 Jan 2009 16:45:35
From: nuny@bid.nes
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Jan 3, 6:34=A0pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
> "UltimatePatriot" <UltimatePatr...@thebestcountry.org> wrote in
> messagenews:scfvl413c13ub2dct9pe6g0ji8qctvcbnq@4ax.com...

> > The
> > problems is that the world is now filled with idiots that actually thin=
k
> > Israel is in the wrong. They could not be more sadly mistaken.
>
> Israel is in fact in the wrong. Can't you see the argument for
> Israel's legitimacy for the land they have lost more than 2000 years
> ago is the "Bible". A freaking story book!

Liar. The Romans were nothing if not anal record-keepers. They
themselves _bragged_ that Hadrian removed the Jews.

(bullshit removed)

> Please read this excerpt on the founding of Israel. The Jews stole the
> land:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel
> The modern state of Israel has its roots in the Land of Israel (Eretz
> Yisrael), a concept central to Judaism since ancient times, and the
> heartland of the ancient Kingdom of Judah to which modern Jews are
> usually attributed. After World War I, the League of Nations approved
> the British Mandate of Palestine with the intent of creating a
> "national home for the Jewish people." In 1947, the United Nations
> approved the partition of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and
> one Arab. On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel declared independence
> and this was followed by a war with the surrounding Arab states, which
> refused to accept the plan. The Israelis were subsequently victorious
> in a series of wars confirming their independence and expanding the
> borders of the Jewish state beyond those in the UN Partition Plan.
> Since then, Israel has been in conflict with many of the neighboring
> Arab countries, resulting in several major wars and decades of
> violence that continue to this day. Since its foundation, Israel's
> boundaries and even the State's very right to exist have been subject
> to dispute, especially among its Arab neighbors. Israel has signed
> peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan, and efforts are being made to
> reach a permanent accord with the Palestinians.

Where's the part about how Israel "stole the land"? Where's the part
about who _started_ the "series of wars"? Where's the part about how
the Arabs insist the Jews pay them a tax to live on their own land?


Mark L. Fergerson


 
Date: 04 Jan 2009 14:19:09
From: travisgod@aol.cominyrface
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Jan 4, 2:11=A0pm, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org >
wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:41:41 -0800 (PST), "travis...@aol.cominyrface"
>
> <travis...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Black and muslim violence is all white people's fault for existing.
>
> >Trav
>
> =A0 You're about as goddamned retarded as it gets, boy.

Maybe if you think about it for long enough, you will grasp sarcasm,
son.\

In the meantime, go fuck yourself. Again.

Trav


 
Date: 04 Jan 2009 14:18:17
From: travisgod@aol.cominyrface
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Jan 4, 2:09=A0pm, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org >
wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:40:01 -0800 (PST), "travis...@aol.cominyrface"
>
> <travis...@aol.com> wrote:
> >I am sure that it is all white people's fault.
>
> >I mean, Damn the white people and their consumer electronics,
> >refrigeration, and electric power.
>
> >Everything is whitey's fault.
>
> >Trav
>
> =A0 Actually, it is more likely retarded gang boy dipshits' fault, dipshi=
t.

I'm sure it's probably your fault as you are invariably the stupidest
person in any room.

Trav


 
Date: 04 Jan 2009 14:17:44
From: travisgod@aol.cominyrface
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
> =A0travis...@aol.cominyrface =A0Obviously a retarded twit that still like=
s
> getting screwed by AOL, and thinks his email mask is humorous.

WOW...an AOL reference.

Boy, son, you are DEEP.

>
> =A0 You are a fucking retard, regardless of the nature of your 'position'=
.
>
> =A0 How's that for something in your face, fucktard?

Stop or you are going to hurt my feelings...seriously. LOL.

That's it? How's that? It was weak. Completely pathetic, actually.

Try again.

Trav


 
Date: 04 Jan 2009 10:41:41
From: travisgod@aol.cominyrface
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
> "Let's"? =A0What is your stake in it? =A0Maybe it's time for *THEM* to
> settle the issue and you to butt out? =A0Maybe it's time for Jimmie
> Carter and like clowns to admit they have always been wrong and let
> Israel defend itself, as it should have all along.

Again with this shit of having no clue what someone's position is
before coming out with the insults and Jimmy Crater comparisons.

Black and muslim violence is all white people's fault for existing.

Trav


  
Date: 04 Jan 2009 11:11:22
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:41:41 -0800 (PST), "travisgod@aol.cominyrface"
<travisgod@aol.com > wrote:

>Black and muslim violence is all white people's fault for existing.
>
>Trav

You're about as goddamned retarded as it gets, boy.


 
Date: 04 Jan 2009 10:40:01
From: travisgod@aol.cominyrface
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
> =A0 Where are all you piss and moan retards when a rocket hits Israel and
> kills someone, and then the news... =A0does not do a story, because it is
> not 'sensational' enough?

Huh? Who the fuck do you think you're taking to, shitbrain?

> =A0 Israel has suffered suicide bombers and other terrorist acts for
> decades, and idiots like you are probably too goddamned young to even
> know what is up.

You stupid fuck, you come out with your kneejerk blasting before you
have even a vague clue of someone's position on this topic.

> =A0 All the rats are going to come out of the woodwork, and we civil folk=
s
> kill rat vermin as a rule.Pretty soon, all the rats will be dead, and
> then the civil world can get on with their civil, peaceful lives, and
> fuck anyone that thinks that retaliatory action is uncivil.
> =A0Now, we have Muslim spies all over the place, and we haven't even bega=
n
> rooting them out yet. =A0We need to get moving, because all these hidden
> "would be civil" Muslims that are spewing the same mantras as the Hamas
> need to be rounded up and sent to Gaza so they can chant all they want,
> right in the heart of their stupidity.

I am sure that it is all white people's fault.

I mean, Damn the white people and their consumer electronics,
refrigeration, and electric power.

Everything is whitey's fault.

Trav


  
Date: 04 Jan 2009 11:10:35
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:40:01 -0800 (PST), "travisgod@aol.cominyrface"
<travisgod@aol.com > wrote:

>Huh? Who the fuck do you think you're taking to, shitbrain?

travisgod@aol.cominyrface Obviously a retarded twit that still likes
getting screwed by AOL, and thinks his email mask is humorous.

You are a fucking retard, regardless of the nature of your 'position'.

How's that for something in your face, fucktard?


  
Date: 04 Jan 2009 11:09:44
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:40:01 -0800 (PST), "travisgod@aol.cominyrface"
<travisgod@aol.com > wrote:

>I am sure that it is all white people's fault.
>
>I mean, Damn the white people and their consumer electronics,
>refrigeration, and electric power.
>
>Everything is whitey's fault.
>
>Trav

Actually, it is more likely retarded gang boy dipshits' fault, dipshit.


 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 18:34:55
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and

"UltimatePatriot" <UltimatePatriot@thebestcountry.org > wrote in
message news:scfvl413c13ub2dct9pe6g0ji8qctvcbnq@4ax.com...
>
>
> The
> problems is that the world is now filled with idiots that actually think
> Israel is in the wrong. They could not be more sadly mistaken.
>
>



Israel is in fact in the wrong. Can't you see the argument for
Israel's legitimacy for the land they have lost more than 2000 years
ago is the "Bible". A freaking story book!

Please realize that there will be no end to territorial conquest, and
people trying to reclaim what their ancestors have lost hundreds or
thousands of years ago. That is why The League of Nations and then The
United Nations were created. The territorial boundaries of all nations
were drawn at the founding of The United Nations in 1945 to stop wars
between countries and to provide a platform for dialog, and signed on
by the 5 Security Council member countries, namely Great Britain, the
United States of America, France, the U.S.S.R. and China, plus all the
membership countries.

Please read this excerpt on the founding of Israel. The Jews stole the
land:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel
The modern state of Israel has its roots in the Land of Israel (Eretz
Yisrael), a concept central to Judaism since ancient times, and the
heartland of the ancient Kingdom of Judah to which modern Jews are
usually attributed. After World War I, the League of Nations approved
the British Mandate of Palestine with the intent of creating a
"national home for the Jewish people." In 1947, the United Nations
approved the partition of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and
one Arab. On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel declared independence
and this was followed by a war with the surrounding Arab states, which
refused to accept the plan. The Israelis were subsequently victorious
in a series of wars confirming their independence and expanding the
borders of the Jewish state beyond those in the UN Partition Plan.
Since then, Israel has been in conflict with many of the neighboring
Arab countries, resulting in several major wars and decades of
violence that continue to this day. Since its foundation, Israel's
boundaries and even the State's very right to exist have been subject
to dispute, especially among its Arab neighbors. Israel has signed
peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan, and efforts are being made to
reach a permanent accord with the Palestinians.






 
Date: 03 Jan 2009 11:13:09
From: travisgod@aol.cominyrface
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 27 2008, 1:32=A0pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
> The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
> birthday:
>
> http://news.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/abc/world/contentposting.aspx?isfa=3D1..=
.
>
> At least 155 die as Israel launches air strikes on Gaza
>
> The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke rose
> above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
> 155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
> Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed.
> Israel Army Radio said at least 40 targets were hit.
>
> Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber,
> witnesses said.
>
> The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several more
> waves followed.
>
> Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through the
> streets and women frantically looked for their children.

Isn't it about time to settle this war?

I mean, let's get some kind of resolution to this stupid situation.

Trav


  
Date: 03 Jan 2009 13:37:51
From: krw
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:13:09 -0800 (PST), "travisgod@aol.cominyrface"
<travisgod@aol.com > wrote:

>On Dec 27 2008, 1:32 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>> The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
>> birthday:
>>
>> http://news.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/abc/world/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1...
>>
>> At least 155 die as Israel launches air strikes on Gaza
>>
>> The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke rose
>> above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
>> 155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
>> Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed.
>> Israel Army Radio said at least 40 targets were hit.
>>
>> Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber,
>> witnesses said.
>>
>> The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several more
>> waves followed.
>>
>> Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through the
>> streets and women frantically looked for their children.
>
>Isn't it about time to settle this war?

Exactly Israel's intention, apparently. About time.

>I mean, let's get some kind of resolution to this stupid situation.

"Let's"? What is your stake in it? Maybe it's time for *THEM* to
settle the issue and you to butt out? Maybe it's time for Jimmie
Carter and like clowns to admit they have always been wrong and let
Israel defend itself, as it should have all along.


  
Date: 03 Jan 2009 11:33:49
From: UltimatePatriot
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:13:09 -0800 (PST), "travisgod@aol.cominyrface"
<travisgod@aol.com > wrote:

>
>Isn't it about time to settle this war?
>
>I mean, let's get some kind of resolution to this stupid situation.
>
>Trav


Where are all you piss and moan retards when a rocket hits Israel and
kills someone, and then the news... does not do a story, because it is
not 'sensational' enough?

Israel has suffered suicide bombers and other terrorist acts for
decades, and idiots like you are probably too goddamned young to even
know what is up.

People have been yapping your sentiment for years. NOW, Israel is going
to finish it, and there is nothing the rest of the world can do. The
problems is that the world is now filled with idiots that actually think
Israel is in the wrong. They could not be more sadly mistaken.

All the rats are going to come out of the woodwork, and we civil folks
kill rat vermin as a rule.Pretty soon, all the rats will be dead, and
then the civil world can get on with their civil, peaceful lives, and
fuck anyone that thinks that retaliatory action is uncivil.

In my view, even pre-emptive threat management is needed.

There were very few Japanese spies here in 1940, and we put them all in
a holding camp through most of the war.

Now, we have Muslim spies all over the place, and we haven't even began
rooting them out yet. We need to get moving, because all these hidden
"would be civil" Muslims that are spewing the same mantras as the Hamas
need to be rounded up and sent to Gaza so they can chant all they want,
right in the heart of their stupidity.


 
Date: 02 Jan 2009 18:24:53
From: nuny@bid.nes
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Jan 2, 12:00=A0pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian <n...@example.net >
wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:37:26 -0800, alien8er wrote:
>
> > =A0 To run it into the ground (which is apparently the only way you can
> > understand anything these days) my parents' participation in my
> > circumcision was limited to NOT being consulted.
>
> > =A0 Got that?
>
> That's even worse; the hospitals mutilated you without even your parents'
> knowledge?

I have told you this THREE FUCKING TIMES and you still append a
question mark.

> You should have sued them for everything they're worth, and sent the perp=
s
> to prison.

This was in 1952. Nobody ever questioned it, it was "procedure". Do
try to pay attention.

> Sorry, but I am strictly opposed to child mutilation of any kind.

That's not the central issue in this thread. Do I have to tell you
that two more times as well?

> You have my deepest sympathy.

Sympathy is wasted. Apply your energy to something useful like not
supporting the "Palestinians".


Mark L. Fergerson


 
Date: 02 Jan 2009 16:03:38
From: Frithiof Jensen
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

<wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com > skrev i meddelelsen
news:cb935c91-a427-4681-ac62-063babf29c8e@q30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...

>
> The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke rose
> above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
> 155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.

Bunch of pussies all of the "warring" parties -
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWdresden.htm
London, Birmingham, Dresden, Hamburg, Hannover, Berlin, THAT is a proper
bombing campaign!

Pissing around with avoiding collateral damage is War for TV; nothing is
achieved and the tit-for-tat driveby shooting will go on forever.



  
Date: 02 Jan 2009 07:13:49
From: StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:03:38 +0100, "Frithiof Jensen"
<frithiof.jensen@diespammerdie.jensen.tdcadsl.dk > wrote:

>
><wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com> skrev i meddelelsen
>news:cb935c91-a427-4681-ac62-063babf29c8e@q30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
>>
>> The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke rose
>> above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
>> 155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
>
>Bunch of pussies all of the "warring" parties -
>http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWdresden.htm
>London, Birmingham, Dresden, Hamburg, Hannover, Berlin, THAT is a proper
>bombing campaign!
>
>Pissing around with avoiding collateral damage is War for TV; nothing is
>achieved and the tit-for-tat driveby shooting will go on forever.


You're just as big a retard as I always said you are.


   
Date: 03 Jan 2009 17:22:22
From: Frithiof Jensen
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

"StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt" <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org > skrev i
meddelelsen news:0obsl4hq86tfursercvj4lvatr3avkr1hl@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:03:38 +0100, "Frithiof Jensen"

>
> You're just as big a retard as I always said you are.

Nobody cares what you say - not even your dog!



    
Date: 03 Jan 2009 08:48:06
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:22:22 +0100, "Frithiof Jensen"
<frithiof.jensen@diespammerdie.jensen.tdcadsl.dk > wrote:

>
>"StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt" <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> skrev i
>meddelelsen news:0obsl4hq86tfursercvj4lvatr3avkr1hl@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:03:38 +0100, "Frithiof Jensen"
>
>>
>> You're just as big a retard as I always said you are.
>
>Nobody cares what you say - not even your dog!


Nice snip of your retardedness. Bwuahahahhaha!


 
Date: 31 Dec 2008 18:38:22
From: alien8er
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 31, 3:25=A0pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian <n...@example.net >
wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:39:33 -0800, n...@bid.nes wrote:
> > On Dec 30, 3:08=A0pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian <n...@example.net=
>
> > wrote:
> >> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:47:06 -0800, n...@bid.nes wrote:
> >> > On Dec 29, 4:46=A0pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
> >> > <n...@example.net>
>
> >> >> Do you realize that Jews and Arabs are both child-mutilators?
>
> >> > =A0 Rich, put down the bong and back away from the bad weed.
>
> >> So, you're another one who, confronted with the facts, drops into
> >> name-calling mode.
>
> > =A0 I always knew you were still a Liberal despite calling yourself a
> > Libertarian; the proof is above- you accuse me of calling you names and
> > even quote me NOT doing so, demonstrating your flat-out lie.
>
> Are you mow claiming you didn't post this?
> --------<quote>------------
> Subject: =A0 =A0 Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against =
Gaza and =A0 Killed at least 155 Palestinians
> From: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"n...@bid.nes" <Alien8...@gmail.com>
>
> =A0 Rich, put down the bong and back away from the bad weed.
> --------</quote>-------

Of course I did. Do you take that as "calling you a name"? What
name, exactly?


Mark L. Fergerson


 
Date: 31 Dec 2008 18:37:26
From: alien8er
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 31, 3:26=A0pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian <n...@example.net >
wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:39:33 -0800, n...@bid.nes wrote:
>
> > =A0 I don't have a refutation because I'm aware of the practice of
> > circumcision. In fact I am circumcised despite not being Jewish; it was
> > "just done" at the time I was born and had anyone thought to ask, my
> > mother would have said "NO" but they DIDN'T ask, they just did it.
>
> Ah, another IPM (infantile penile mutilation) victim. That explains a lot=
.
>
> Sorry for the deformity inflicted by your heartless parents.

Evidently your reading comprehension skills have deteriorated
farther than I thought; you even quote me immediately above writing:

"had anyone thought to ask, my
mother would have said "NO" but they DIDN'T ask, they just did it."

BTW my father was out of state at the time and was unavailable for
comment; his would also have been "NO!".

To run it into the ground (which is apparently the only way you can
understand anything these days) my parents' participation in my
circumcision was limited to NOT being consulted.

Got that?


Mark L. Fergerson


  
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Date: 31 Dec 2008 12:33:58
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On 27 Dec, 16:24, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> <wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2abf503e-8963-43c7-bed5-473df0e851b6@p29g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:%hv5l.
> > 9772$as4.2...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> >> Maybe the Israelis wanted to strike back at Hamas for all those rocket
> >> attacks
>
> > Hamas is the democratically elected party. And those rocket attacks
> > were retaliation by civilians for previous Israeli air strikes.
>
> If you believe that bull shit bucko, I've got some prime ocean front
> property in Kansas I'll sell you.
>
>
>
> >> before "retreat-and-surrender-Obama" becomes commander in chief.
>
> > You mean righting the wrong? The illegal Iraq invasion was proven to
> > have been started on a lie. Saddam had no ties to 9/11 and there were
> > no WMD. In fact, Saddam didn't even like OBL.
>
> Fuck Saddam and fuck his two murdering bastard sons. =EF=BF=BDThey were r=
esponsible
> for the deaths of 2,000,000 people which none of you Bush-bashing liberal=
s
> ever gave a shit about. =EF=BF=BDSaddam could have avoided the Iraq war, =
just as he
> could have avoided the Iran war and the invasion of Kuwait. =EF=BF=BDHe w=
anted a
> war, he got a war and now the miserable ass wipe is dead. =EF=BF=BDI'm ju=
st sorry he
> didn't die sooner.
>

If you believe that bull shit bucko, I've got some prime ocean front
property in Kansas I'll sell you.

Yes you are the type, but no need to prove you are lying.




 
Date: 31 Dec 2008 11:39:33
From: nuny@bid.nes
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 30, 3:08=A0pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian <n...@example.net >
wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:47:06 -0800, n...@bid.nes wrote:
> > On Dec 29, 4:46=A0pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian <n...@example.net=
>
>
> >> Do you realize that Jews and Arabs are both child-mutilators?
>
> > =A0 Rich, put down the bong and back away from the bad weed.
>
> So, you're another one who, confronted with the facts, drops into
> name-calling mode.

I always knew you were still a Liberal despite calling yourself a
Libertarian; the proof is above- you accuse me of calling you names
and even quote me NOT doing so, demonstrating your flat-out lie.

> Thanks for verifying that you have no actual refutation.

I don't have a refutation because I'm aware of the practice of
circumcision. In fact I am circumcised despite not being Jewish; it
was "just done" at the time I was born and had anyone thought to ask,
my mother would have said "NO" but they DIDN'T ask, they just did it.

To make YOUR "contribution" to the discussion the point that both
participants are "child mutilators" is just irrelevant bullshit, for
which you are becoming famous.


Mark L. Fergerson


  
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Date: 30 Dec 2008 12:29:08
From: nuny@bid.nes
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 29, 4:07=A0am, Darn Good Intelligence <waynet...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> On 29 Dec, 07:36, "n...@bid.nes" <Alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > =A0 Except
>
> > =A0 they
>
> > =A0 cannot
>
> > =A0 hence your argument is moot.
>
> Not it isn't because it's the principle that matters.

See my other post re: your "principle".

> At some point in
> the future if the Arabs or anyone else develops the capability to take
> land from Israel then those who believe that the law of the jungle
> applies would be taking a hypocritical position if they objected to it
> as they have already supported the creation of Israel through the
> application of the law of the jungle. That no-one can at present
> enforce the law of the jungle onto Israel is not relevant to the
> discussion. We are discussing the applicability of the principle to a
> hypothetical scenario which may at some point occur. We can discuss
> such scenarios even if they are not currently a reality.

Indeed? Then perhaps you'd be willing to discuss why the Arabs would
be trying to illegally dispossess the Jews from their land?

> > =A0 Why is a claim dated then more valid than any other?
>
> Because we're discussing the respective claim to the land *at the
> time* of Israel's creation.

No, you are trying to frame the discussion in those terms but I say
that it is irrelevant because that event returned the land to its
proper _legal_ owners, nullifyng any later claim on it.

> By your logic, which seems to be that
> anything goes, then there is no such thing as a valid claim as it can
> be based on anything at any point in history.

To quote you again:

"No... You are arguing with an imaginary point that you think I made
but which I did not."

> Clearly a court of law
> would look at legal ownership of the land *at the time* of the dispute

That is not at all clear. In actual courts, claims of ownership are
looked at in order of _legal_ transfer, and the "Palestinians" cannot
have any _legal_ claim to title of that land because its ownership by
the Jews was terminated by force, which you yourself define as an
"illegal" act and to be overturned at the first opportunity. Since
that has already happened, the "Palestinians" must take up the issue
of transfer of ownership of _any_ of that land with its present legal
owners, namely the State of Israel. That State has offered MORE THAN
ONCE to transfer, without any payment required, various sections of
that land but has consistently been refused.

> - and you know very well that on this basis the Palestinian Arabs had
> a much stronger claim to the land.

That basis is false; they had then and have now no claim at all.

> By your absurd logic, a legal claim to a house from someone who lived
> there 50 years ago is just as valid as the legal claim to the house by
> its occupants.

By your own logic, if the person who lived there 50 years ago had
been the legal owner and had been forcibly removed, then his claim is
not merely "as valid as" anyone else's claim, it must _supersede and
nullify_ any and all later claims by persons who, if they are
occupying his illegally dispossessed house, are "squatters".

> Your argument is based on flawed logic and ridiculous nonsense.

My argument is based on YOUR LOGIC and historical fact.

> > > > > What you are claiming would have been legitimate had the Zionists=
been
> > > > > attempting to colonize an uninhabited territory.
>
> > > > =A0 What a load of crap; there _is_ no "uninhabited territory" on t=
he
> > > > Earth with the sole exception of Antarctica and we're working on th=
at.
>
> > > Exactly. You've just proven my point. The Zionists were determined to
> > > have their own state in a land that was already inhabited by another
> > > set of people who did not share the same religion.

Their religion is irrelevant.

> > > This is the root
> > > cause of the conflict: the Zionists were intolerant of the fact that
> > > the territory that they had decided they would have for their own
> > > state was already inhabited - and implict in this huge obstacle was
> > > that the Arabs would have to be displaced from their land. Or another
> > > way of putting the root cause is that the Palestinian Arabs were
> > > intolerant of the idea of being displaced from their land. The proble=
m
> > > was not that the Palestinians *misunderstood* Zionism and its aims; t=
o
> > > the contrary, the problem was that they understood its goals *only to=
o
> > > well* and they knew what it meant for them, hence the resistance.

No. The "Palestinians" were and still are squatters.

> > =A0 Blah, blah, blah, same old rhetoric. Of course you realize that
> > "Zionist" and "Arab/Palestinian" can be interchanged in the above with
> > no loss of veracity keeping in mind that at some point in the past the
> > Jews inhabited Israel, then didn't. What do you suppose were the
> > Arabs' intentions toward them then, benevolent or sinister?
>
> But again, this isn't relevant to the discussion of Israel's creation
> 60 years ago. I asked you what the Zionists' intentions towards the
> Arabs were during the period leading up to Israel's creation 60 years
> ago. You refused to answer the question and once again have used
> obfuscation by attempting to widen the historical scope of the
> discussion in order to avoid answering said question.

If you had bothered to do any research you would know (in fact you
probably do know, but are hoping I don't or will fail to mention) that
prior to Hadrian evicting the Jews from what was then called Judea,
the land was shared peacefully by the Jews and other peoples, some of
which were Arabs. When Israel was formed, the Jews stated clearly
that they wanted to return to that arrangement but the Arabs refused.
See, when the Jews and the Arabs shared that land the Jews did not tax
the Arabs for not being Jews, but the (now predominantly Muslim) Arabs
do tax everyone who lives on their land who is not a Muslim. The Arab
Muslims insisted on taxing the Jews, who naturally refused to be taxed
to live on their own land.

> > =A0 And I repeat, it was NOT done "by the Zionists" obviously because
> > they did not have the requisite resources. It was British and American
> > Christians that did it in order to bring about their superstitions'
> > Apocalypse/

I note that you have still failed to respond to the above statement.

> > > Do you believe that Zionism's intentions towards Palestine's Arabs
> > > were benevolent or were they sinister? For my take please see the
> > > evidence I posted in response to someone else earlier........
>
> > =A0 I don't give a flying fuck what their intentions were because all
> > participants are acting like primitive embarassments to the species.
>
> You haven't been able to demonstrate anything other than an ability to
> propose arguments based on propaganda and complete nonsense.

My argument is based on YOUR LOGIC and historical fact.

> Now you
> say that you don't care what Zionism's intentions towards the Arabs
> were, although earlier you asked me what the Arabs' intentions towards
> the Jews were hundreds, possibly thousands (you don't say which), of
> years ago.

No, I don't care. All participants' intentions have gotten lost in
what looks like an inevitable spiral of conflict that will end badly
for all concerned.

> So according to you, assessing the Arabs' intentions
> towards the Jews is relevant to the debate, but assessing the
> Zionists' intentions towards the Arabs (the majority population) is
> not relevant?

To quote you again:

"No... You are arguing with an imaginary point that you think I made
but which I did not."

> You are a hypocrite

Liar. Provide a cite where I insist anyone do anything I refuse to
do.

> a propagandist

Liar. I have no dog in this fight (I am an atheist) other than
wanting all participants to not use nukes; they should keep it local.
If anyone uses a nuke it gets very dirty and very widespread very
quick.

> and a spewer of utter nonsense.

Liar. Cite me failing to make sense.

> What a joke.

Yes, your lame attempts to support your false statements is amusing.


Mark L. Fergerson


 
Date: 30 Dec 2008 11:47:06
From: nuny@bid.nes
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 29, 4:46=A0pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian <n...@example.net >
wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:32:27 -0800, alien8er wrote:
> > On Dec 29, 4:07=A0am, Darn Good Intelligence <waynet...@yahoo.com> wrot=
e:
> >> On 29 Dec, 07:36, "n...@bid.nes" <Alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > =A0 Except
> >> > =A0 they
> >> > =A0 cannot
> >> > =A0 hence your argument is moot.
>
> >> Not it isn't because it's the principle that matters.
>
> > =A0 The principle being that land forcibly taken from its legal owners
> > must be returned to them?
>
> > =A0 Then you should be pleased, since exactly that has happened; the
> > Romans, under Hadrian, forcibly took that land from the Jews, and now i=
t's
> > been returned to them by the British (who consider themselves the Roman=
s'
> > cultural heirs).
>
> The land was graciously granted to them after WWII, when the Allies
> rescued them from Hitler.

Rich, don't pretend to know anything about history, because
obviously you do not.

> And what's the first thing the ungrateful child-mutilators do? Attack
> their new neighbors. (At US taxpayers' expense!)

As I said...

> Do you realize that Jews and Arabs are both child-mutilators?

Rich, put down the bong and back away from the bad weed.


Mark L. Fergerson


  
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Date: 29 Dec 2008 18:06:17
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and

"HardySpicer" <gyansorova@gmail.com > wrote in message news:
51e54475-118a-4ec1-8bc5-0742f7d1e2f0@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 28, 10:49 am, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Note the 'bible' speaks not of anything but jews, and Israel... as the
>> 'only' land they were to be granted. The arabs were the crusaders across
>> all the lands they left out of arabia from. They were the crusaders, and
>> so delineated the world as their's. That is religious decree... unto
>> destroying others if they resist.
>>
>> [snipped]
>>
>> As for stolen lands... the jews were the only owners and so mandated for
>> 3300 yrs, with no mandate to ever own any other land except as citizens.
>>
>>
>>
>> [idiot] Mark
>
> The Bible? You are using the Bible as a History book? xcuse
> me...that's a bit like using J.K.Rowling as a History Professor!
>
>

The Bible says he is the Chosen Ones, and he killed the Son of God.




 
Date: 29 Dec 2008 11:32:27
From: alien8er
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 29, 4:07=A0am, Darn Good Intelligence <waynet...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> On 29 Dec, 07:36, "n...@bid.nes" <Alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > =A0 Except
>
> > =A0 they
>
> > =A0 cannot
>
> > =A0 hence your argument is moot.
>
> Not it isn't because it's the principle that matters.

The principle being that land forcibly taken from its legal owners
must be returned to them?

Then you should be pleased, since exactly that has happened; the
Romans, under Hadrian, forcibly took that land from the Jews, and now
it's been returned to them by the British (who consider themselves the
Romans' cultural heirs).

There, that's settled.


Mark L. Fergerson


  
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Date: 29 Dec 2008 11:29:49
From: HardySpicer
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 28, 10:49=A0am, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net > wrote:
> HardySpicer wrote:
> > a bit more complicated though isn't it? Suppose the Germans had
> > invaded England and Wales and all the English were pushed back into
> > Wales to live. I expect a good few of them would send a few rockets
> > over the border to show them that the English were not really
> > defeated. Likewise, the land the Israelis occupy is Arab land though
> > of course it was shared thousands of years ago by both. Hence many of
> > the people in Gaza had land which was stolen by the Jews. Solution -
> > pay reparations for the land the jews stole - far cheaper than F16
> > jets in the long run and the bad press.
>
> > H.
>
> No, you are incorrect. It is in fact much simpler. The 'arabs' lived in
> the lands as invaders from many different parts, and no nation, no
> national language, no nation state, no currency existed. The land was
> 'palestine' named after the jews 500 yrs before a muslim ever existed.
>
> Note the 'bible' speaks not of anything but jews, and Israel... as the
> 'only' land they were to be granted. The arabs were the crusaders across
> all the lands they left out of arabia from. They were the crusaders, and
> so delineated the world as their's. That is religious decree... unto
> destroying others if they resist.
>
> Now... as far as gaza is concerned- the jews walked away- stupily- and
> said, here's your land, leave us in peace and this year 2000 rockets
> were fired out during the 'truce'
>
> A truce in Islamic terms means to consent to a form of quiet, until they
> are strong enought to break the truce. They never stopped. In fact if
> you look around the globe, there are wars on about 25 other nations
> borders, where islam borders the 'infidels'.
>
> The fact, the simple fact is this: the muslim, Islam is incensed because
> by their decree, no non muslim can ever own any land they'ver ever trod
> upon. Now that is totalitarianism and so demonstrated by homicidism, and
> the belief that only that attains the 'highest' heavenly reward. That is
> one reason, a muslim with a straight face told me, that the phrase
> 'peace be upon him' is uttered about Mo'. He didn't get to die
> slaughtering an infidel so he was not with that highest honor. Rather
> funny if horrifying to hear the clown iterate so.
>
> As for stolen lands... the jews were the only owners and so mandated for
> =A0 3300 yrs, with no mandate to ever own any other land except as citize=
ns.
>
> The crusaders were and are the muslims, the arabs. There is not one
> democracy anywhere in the arab muslim world. Ok, wait... I stand correcte=
d,
>
> Maybe France.
>
> But other than that, it is a tyranny whereby as a famous writer noted
> last week...
>
> "Ask yourself the question that if the Kashmir problem were resolve
> tomorrow, if Israel-Palestine reached a lasting peace, do we believe
> that al-Qaeda would disband? Do we believe that Lashkar-e-Toiba and
> Jaish-e-Mohammad would put their guns down and beat them into
> plough-shears and say we would now be farmers because our job is done. I
> mean the point about is that is laughable, right? And the point about
> that is that that is not their project. Their project is power. This is
> a power grab by the most obscurantist, revanchist, old-fashioned,
> medievalist idea of modern culture that attempts to drag the world back
> into the middle ages at the point of modern weaponry ..." - Salman
> Rushdie, in "'Brutality, Incompetence And Cynical Duplicity,'" Outlook
> India, December 19
>
> And as to the poster, 'wannabesomeonewhocares', merely google his posts
> and look for not just the hard stalinist desire to destroy the west, but
> the most vicious love of adolf and the nazi's, then his how shall we
> call them... his personal preferences. To get the full picture of what
> ugly and venalality do when they marry and post.
>
> He did try to drag all these other groups in... and I'm happy to see
> some sober sensible people commenting and shoving right back up his
> mental orifice where his hatreds derive.
>
> Mark

The Bible? You are using the Bible as a History book? xcuse
me...that's a bit like using J.K.Rowling as a History Professor!

H.


 
Date: 29 Dec 2008 04:07:29
From: Darn Good Intelligence
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On 29 Dec, 07:36, "n...@bid.nes" <Alien8...@gmail.com > wrote:

> =A0 Except
>
> =A0 they
>
> =A0 cannot
>
> =A0 hence your argument is moot.

Not it isn't because it's the principle that matters. At some point in
the future if the Arabs or anyone else develops the capability to take
land from Israel then those who believe that the law of the jungle
applies would be taking a hypocritical position if they objected to it
as they have already supported the creation of Israel through the
application of the law of the jungle. That no-one can at present
enforce the law of the jungle onto Israel is not relevant to the
discussion. We are discussing the applicability of the principle to a
hypothetical scenario which may at some point occur. We can discuss
such scenarios even if they are not currently a reality.

> =A0 Why is a claim dated then more valid than any other?

Because we're discussing the respective claim to the land *at the
time* of Israel's creation. By your logic, which seems to be that
anything goes, then there is no such thing as a valid claim as it can
be based on anything at any point in history. Clearly a court of law
would look at legal ownership of the land *at the time* of the dispute
- and you know very well that on this basis the Palestinian Arabs had
a much stronger claim to the land.

By your absurd logic, a legal claim to a house from someone who lived
there 50 years ago is just as valid as the legal claim to the house by
its occupants. Your argument is based on flawed logic and ridiculous
nonsense.

>
>
> > > > What you are claiming would have been legitimate had the Zionists b=
een
> > > > attempting to colonize an uninhabited territory.
>
> > > =A0 What a load of crap; there _is_ no "uninhabited territory" on the
> > > Earth with the sole exception of Antarctica and we're working on that=
.
>
> > Exactly. You've just proven my point. The Zionists were determined to
> > have their own state in a land that was already inhabited by another
> > set of people who did not share the same religion. This is the root
> > cause of the conflict: the Zionists were intolerant of the fact that
> > the territory that they had decided they would have for their own
> > state was already inhabited - and implict in this huge obstacle was
> > that the Arabs would have to be displaced from their land. Or another
> > way of putting the root cause is that the Palestinian Arabs were
> > intolerant of the idea of being displaced from their land. The problem
> > was not that the Palestinians *misunderstood* Zionism and its aims; to
> > the contrary, the problem was that they understood its goals *only too
> > well* and they knew what it meant for them, hence the resistance.
>
> =A0 Blah, blah, blah, same old rhetoric. Of course you realize that
> "Zionist" and "Arab/Palestinian" can be interchanged in the above with
> no loss of veracity keeping in mind that at some point in the past the
> Jews inhabited Israel, then didn't. What do you suppose were the
> Arabs' intentions toward them then, benevolent or sinister?

But again, this isn't relevant to the discussion of Israel's creation
60 years ago. I asked you what the Zionists' intentions towards the
Arabs were during the period leading up to Israel's creation 60 years
ago. You refused to answer the question and once again have used
obfuscation by attempting to widen the historical scope of the
discussion in order to avoid answering said question.

> =A0 And I repeat, it was NOT done "by the Zionists" obviously because
> they did not have the requisite resources. It was British and American
> Christians that did it in order to bring about their superstitions'
> Apocalypse/
>
> > Do you believe that Zionism's intentions towards Palestine's Arabs
> > were benevolent or were they sinister? For my take please see the
> > evidence I posted in response to someone else earlier........
>
> =A0 I don't give a flying fuck what their intentions were because all
> participants are acting like primitive embarassments to the species.

You haven't been able to demonstrate anything other than an ability to
propose arguments based on propaganda and complete nonsense. Now you
say that you don't care what Zionism's intentions towards the Arabs
were, although earlier you asked me what the Arabs' intentions towards
the Jews were hundreds, possibly thousands (you don't say which), of
years ago. So according to you, assessing the Arabs' intentions
towards the Jews is relevant to the debate, but assessing the
Zionists' intentions towards the Arabs (the majority population) is
not relevant?

You are a hypocrite, a propagandist and a spewer of utter nonsense.
What a joke.



 
Date: 29 Dec 2008 11:27:15
From: PinkFloyd43
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com wrote:
> The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
> birthday:
>
>
> http://news.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/abc/world/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1&feedname=CBC-WORLD-V3&showbyline=True&date=true&newsitemid=gaza
>
> At least 155 die as Israel launches air strikes on Gaza
>
> The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke rose
> above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
> 155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
> Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed.
> Israel Army Radio said at least 40 targets were hit.
>
> Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber,
> witnesses said.
>
> The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several more
> waves followed.
>
> Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through the
> streets and women frantically looked for their children.
>
>
>
>
>
>
You forgot in the headline above - Due to missiles being launched
into their country for the past week! Go get them fuckers! You
fu$k with Israel and you pay the price!


 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 23:36:18
From: nuny@bid.nes
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 28, 5:12=A0pm, Darn Good Intelligence <waynet...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> On 28 Dec, 23:41, "n...@bid.nes" <Alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > =A0 Typical Hate-Jews bullshit; despite considerable repeated effort
> > nobody has been able to do so, have they?
>
> No and I never advocated that anyone attack Israel or take the 78% of
> Palestine that is now legally theirs. You are arguing with an
> imaginary point that you think I made but which I did not. My point
> was that Israel was founded through territorial conquest and that this
> is wrong. To those who argue the opposite, I argue that they would not
> make such an argument if another party could take territory from
> Israel in the same manner in which it was created.

Except

they

cannot

hence your argument is moot.

> > =A0 Go ahead, tell me it's because America backs them with military
> > hardware.
>
> Irrelevant.

It is exactly relevant.

> > =A0 Go ahead, tell me why the Arab states "dedicated" to pushing Israel
> > into the sea can't seem to figure out how to convert their trillions
> > in spare oil wealth into sufficient weaponry to actually do it.
>
> Ditto.

Exactly relevant. The Arabs claim to be "dedicated" to pushing
Israel into th sea yet do everything in their power not to do so; they
are prolonging the bloodshed as much as possible.

> > =A0 "Indigenous" =3D "bullshit". When did the "Palestinians'" ancestors
> > arrive? While you're chewing on that, why did they move from where
> > they were previously?
>
> And why does this matter even if true?

Because it illustrates your selectivity.

> Are you seriously trying to
> claim that Palestine was uninhabited on the even of Zionist
> colonization at the beginning of the 20th c?

To quote you:

"No... You are arguing with an imaginary point that you think I made
but which I did not."

> What matters is who
> legally owned the majority of the land in 1947 and which side were the
> majority inhabitants.

Why is a claim dated then more valid than any other?

> > > What you are claiming would have been legitimate had the Zionists bee=
n
> > > attempting to colonize an uninhabited territory.
>
> > =A0 What a load of crap; there _is_ no "uninhabited territory" on the
> > Earth with the sole exception of Antarctica and we're working on that.
>
> Exactly. You've just proven my point. The Zionists were determined to
> have their own state in a land that was already inhabited by another
> set of people who did not share the same religion. This is the root
> cause of the conflict: the Zionists were intolerant of the fact that
> the territory that they had decided they would have for their own
> state was already inhabited - and implict in this huge obstacle was
> that the Arabs would have to be displaced from their land. Or another
> way of putting the root cause is that the Palestinian Arabs were
> intolerant of the idea of being displaced from their land. The problem
> was not that the Palestinians *misunderstood* Zionism and its aims; to
> the contrary, the problem was that they understood its goals *only too
> well* and they knew what it meant for them, hence the resistance.

Blah, blah, blah, same old rhetoric. Of course you realize that
"Zionist" and "Arab/Palestinian" can be interchanged in the above with
no loss of veracity keeping in mind that at some point in the past the
Jews inhabited Israel, then didn't. What do you suppose were the
Arabs' intentions toward them then, benevolent or sinister?

And I repeat, it was NOT done "by the Zionists" obviously because
they did not have the requisite resources. It was British and American
Christians that did it in order to bring about their superstitions'
Apocalypse/

> Do you believe that Zionism's intentions towards Palestine's Arabs
> were benevolent or were they sinister? For my take please see the
> evidence I posted in response to someone else earlier........

I don't give a flying fuck what their intentions were because all
participants are acting like primitive embarassments to the species.

Just like you, who desperately wants to be an apologist for one side
which demonstrates some of the worst behaviors. Tell me, do you
support the video'ed beheading of kidnapped random Jews?


Mark L. Fergerson



  
Date: 31 Dec 2008 18:40:48
From: alien8er
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 31, 3:34=A0pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com > wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:26:37 GMT, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
>
> <n...@example.net> wrote:
> >On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:39:33 -0800, n...@bid.nes wrote:
>
> >> =A0 I don't have a refutation because I'm aware of the practice of
> >> circumcision. In fact I am circumcised despite not being Jewish; it wa=
s
> >> "just done" at the time I was born and had anyone thought to ask, my
> >> mother would have said "NO" but they DIDN'T ask, they just did it.
>
> >Ah, another IPM (infantile penile mutilation) victim. That explains a lo=
t.
>
> >Sorry for the deformity inflicted by your heartless parents.
>
> >Rich
>
> "...the deformity inflicted by <his> heartless parents" was to his
> brain stem ;-)

<unusually level tone of voice/ >

Rich's parents, or mine?


Mark L. Fergerson


   
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Date: 29 Dec 2008 02:04:17
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

"nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:72d54ee3-4d94-447a-899f-04a23903f669@35g2000pry.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 28, 5:12 pm, Darn Good Intelligence <waynet...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> >
> > make such an argument if another party could take territory from
> > Israel in the same manner in which it was created.
>
> Except
>
> they
>
> cannot
>
> hence your argument is moot.

Heh, no shit.

> they did not have the requisite resources. It was British and American
> Christians that did it in order to bring about their superstitions'
> Apocalypse/

Most would argue, and I would agree, that it was God who 'did it'. He just
used the Brit's and us to bring it about in preparation for the whoop-ass
he's fixin to put on the nonbeleiving infidels. These thing take time and he
didn't\doesn't want to tip his hand to soon. No last minute converts -
damnit.

> Just like you, who desperately wants to be an apologist for one side
> which demonstrates some of the worst behaviors. Tell me, do you
> support the video'ed beheading of kidnapped random Jews?

Of course he does. Its how he and all the Jew hating perv's like him get
their jolly's. Oh, they'll settle for gentile if that's all they can get but
whacking a Jew gets them all hot and bothered.






 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 17:52:16
From: Darn Good Intelligence
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On 29 Dec, 01:21, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
<Zarathus...@thusspoke.org > wrote:

>
> =A0Look, dipshit. =A0The "Palistinians" were signators of the UN charter,=
and
> they were at the table when the decision was made. It was then that five
> piss and moan political retards in five nations went AGAINST what was
> already agreed to, and "condemned" both the action and "Israel" itself,
> as well as all the innocent people therein.

Yet the UN partition plan was clearly inequitable towards the
Palestinians and just in practical terms it was simply absurd and
unworkable. It proposed that the Jews, who represented only 1/3 of
Palestine's population and owned less than 10% of the land, would be
awarded 56% of Palestine. This is a clear injustice. Moreover, just in
terms of the population numbers themselves, the plan was clearly
unworkable: it proposed that 400,000 Arabs live under Jewish rule in
the parts of Palestine that had been allocated to the Jews. In the
proposed Jewish state the number of Jews was proposed to be 500,000,
so the number of Jews would only have been slightly more than the
number of Arabs (55% Jews vs 45% Arabs). How would the Jewish state as
proposed in UNGA 181 be a viable "Jewish state" if there were almost
as many Arabs in the state as Jews? The Jewish majority as proposed in
UNGA 181 could not have been more slender. You may argue that the Jews
would have strengthened their majority in their state through Jewish
immigration from Europe, but even in this scenario the superior Arab
birth rate would not have given Israel an assured majority in the long-
term. And don't forget that Israel's subsequent immigration of 2
million Jews from Europe and elsewhere between 1948 to the present day
occured under conditions in which Israel held 22% more of Palestine
than had been allocated to them under UNGA 181. So, IOW, if the
partition plan had gone ahead Jewish immigration to the Jewish state
would have been more limited as there simply would not have been as
much land available for Jewish immigrants.

But going back to the moral argument, why should those 400,000 Arabs
have lived under Jewish rule as proposed under UNGA 181? How would
they have been treated under Jewish rule? They were being asked, or
more precisely, *forced* to live under Jewish rule simply by virtue of
the fact that 1/3 of Palestine's inhabitants were determined to have
their own state in Palestine at virtually any cost. And this was the
key problem: there were already too many Arabs in Palestine which
meant that the Jews couldn't have their own state in one part of
Palestine without having to take under their rule a large Arab
miniority (which neither side wanted), and they couldn't have a Jewish
majority state in all of Palestine without expelling most or all of
the Arabs, which in the end was what happened.

> =A0 The problem with you extremist bastards is that you still want to run
> around with sabers in hand hacking and whacking all that anger you
> unchecked, when the rest of the world is far more civil, and far further
> ahead than that and consider it barbaric. =A0The fact is that once the UN
> and all involved agreed to the parcel in '48, all the pissed off
> extremist dipshits in the world NOW or then cannot change the fact that
> the land is now Jewish land and that you have NO CLAIM to ANY of it.

Well it was certainly imprudent for the Palestinian Arabs to attack
the Yishuv and reject the Partition plan (despite its unworkability
and inherent unfairness) but that doesn't make the Arabs responsible
for their own expulsion during the war that ensued.



  
Date: 31 Dec 2008 12:17:57
From: nuny@bid.nes
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
On Dec 30, 2:07=A0am, GreenDistantStar <pde63...@bigpond.net.au > wrote:
> Archimedes' Lever wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
> > <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
> >>news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
> >>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
> >>> <pde63...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> >>>> Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no=
small
> >>>> part to the fact it's not
> >>>> physically addictive.
>
> >>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
> >> Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. =A0All political -- nothing=
at all
> >> to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>
> >> Jim
>
> > =A0 It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact =
that
> > the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
> > other.

I didn't quite get why this sentence is in the discussion; IME pot
is psychoactive but is not a narcotic. Note that in the cited
explanation of "psychoactive", narcotics are given as a subset. I just
think that pot is not in that subset.

> > =A0 In other words, ya dopey fuck, it can be one or the other, but it c=
an't
> > be both.
>
> It also appears you are too dense to grasp the simple concept that just b=
ecause a govt decides
> something is illegal and should thus be restricted says NOTHING about the=
consequences of its use.
>
> Psychoactive properties are absolutely relevant. Smoke a joint a day for =
20 years and for the vast
> majority, little damage will occur.

Exactly correct, again IME.

> Dry dropping a trip a day for a month or so, and let us all know how that=
works out for ya.

I tried just that in San Francisco during August of 1971
(windowpane, very clean stuff, dose about 150 micrograms). It worked
great for the first three days but the effects got steadily weaker and
so did I. By the fourth day I was ready to quit but I ran into an
herbalist who put me onto large doses of vitamins B12, C and a few
other things to add to my diet (I won't say what to prevent anyone
trying to reproduce the "experiment" as very few are mentally stable
enough to get past the second day, much less the second week) and told
me to "get out of town".

I spent most of the second and third weeks on Mount Tam (on the
north side of the Bay Bridge, not at all built up in those days)
wandering around with the furry animals, checking out the geology (I
was a rockhound even back then) and generally doing the whole Hippie
thing.

It ended on or about the 20th when I decided I wasn't accomplishing
anything other than proving I could "function" while pretty much
tripping constantly. In that case "function" mostly amounted to not
hurting myself, and managing to get some fairly simple chores done for
the group I was hanging with (although I think they got the better end
of the deal what with the added entertainment value).

Bottom line, yes, it's doable. Is it worthwhile? It was an
experience. Would I try it again? Maybe, if I learned I had something
terminal and a month to live.


Mark L. Fergerson


  
Date: 30 Dec 2008 11:09:13
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
On Dec 30, 5:07 am, GreenDistantStar <pde63...@bigpond.net.au > wrote:
> Archimedes' Lever wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
> > <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
> >>news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
> >>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
> >>> <pde63...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> >>>> Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no small
> >>>> part to the fact it's not
> >>>> physically addictive.
>
> >>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
> >> Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing at all
> >> to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>
> >> Jim
>
> > It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact that
> > the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
> > other.
>
> > In other words, ya dopey fuck, it can be one or the other, but it can't
> > be both.
>
> It also appears you are too dense to grasp the simple concept that just because a govt decides
> something is illegal and should thus be restricted says NOTHING about the consequences of its use.
>
> Psychoactive properties are absolutely relevant. Smoke a joint a day for 20 years and for the vast
> majority, little damage will occur.
>
> Dry dropping a trip a day for a month or so, and let us all know how that works out for ya.
>
Even the most enthusiastic surviving LSD enthusiasts that I know say
that it is beneficial _to have done_ acid for many people but they no
longer advocate anyone repeat the experience and certainly not often.

I'll pass.

--
Will in New Haven


  
Date: 30 Dec 2008 02:15:29
From:
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
On Dec 30, 4:58 pm, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org >
wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
>
>
>
> <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
> >"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
> >news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
> >> <pde63...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> >>>Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no small
> >>>part to the fact it's not
> >>>physically addictive.
>
> >> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
>
> >Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing at all
> >to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>
> >Jim
>
> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact that
> the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
> other.
>
> In other words, ya dopey fuck, it can be one or the other, but it can't
> be both.

Fuck! Shit!


  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 18:01:32
From: StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:52:16 -0800 (PST), Darn Good Intelligence
<waynetv50@yahoo.com > wrote:

> It proposed that the Jews, who represented only 1/3 of
>Palestine's population and owned less than 10% of the land, would be
>awarded 56% of Palestine.


You seem to forget about the tens of thousands due to influx from WWII
aftermath.

You ain't real bright.


 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 17:12:03
From: Darn Good Intelligence
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On 28 Dec, 23:41, "n...@bid.nes" <Alien8...@gmail.com > wrote:

> =A0 Typical Hate-Jews bullshit; despite considerable repeated effort
> nobody has been able to do so, have they?

No and I never advocated that anyone attack Israel or take the 78% of
Palestine that is now legally theirs. You are arguing with an
imaginary point that you think I made but which I did not. My point
was that Israel was founded through territorial conquest and that this
is wrong. To those who argue the opposite, I argue that they would not
make such an argument if another party could take territory from
Israel in the same manner in which it was created.

> =A0 Go ahead, tell me it's because America backs them with military
> hardware.

Irrelevant.

> =A0 Go ahead, tell me why the Arab states "dedicated" to pushing Israel
> into the sea can't seem to figure out how to convert their trillions
> in spare oil wealth into sufficient weaponry to actually do it.

Ditto.


> =A0 "Indigenous" =3D "bullshit". When did the "Palestinians'" ancestors
> arrive? While you're chewing on that, why did they move from where
> they were previously?

And why does this matter even if true? Are you seriously trying to
claim that Palestine was uninhabited on the even of Zionist
colonization at the beginning of the 20th c? What matters is who
legally owned the majority of the land in 1947 and which side were the
majority inhabitants. On these two questions the answers are
unnanimous and represent the Palestinian Arab foothold in Palestine.
The Jews' foothold in Palestine, OTOH, was based on the completely
arbitary Balfour declaration, British Imperialism and the desperate
lengths of land buying that was designed to loosen the Arabs' much
stronger claim to Palestine. It was only the 1948 war and the fleeing
of 700,000 Arabs - often under deliberate expulsion by the Haganah -
that enabled the Zionists to loosen completely the grip the Arabs had
on Palestine. Without this event a majority Jewish state in all of
Palestine could not have occured.

> > What you are claiming would have been legitimate had the Zionists been
> > attempting to colonize an uninhabited territory.
>
> =A0 What a load of crap; there _is_ no "uninhabited territory" on the
> Earth with the sole exception of Antarctica and we're working on that.

Exactly. You've just proven my point. The Zionists were determined to
have their own state in a land that was already inhabited by another
set of people who did not share the same religion. This is the root
cause of the conflict: the Zionists were intolerant of the fact that
the territory that they had decided they would have for their own
state was already inhabited - and implict in this huge obstacle was
that the Arabs would have to be displaced from their land. Or another
way of putting the root cause is that the Palestinian Arabs were
intolerant of the idea of being displaced from their land. The problem
was not that the Palestinians *misunderstood* Zionism and its aims; to
the contrary, the problem was that they understood its goals *only too
well* and they knew what it meant for them, hence the resistance.

Do you believe that Zionism's intentions towards Palestine's Arabs
were benevolent or were they sinister? For my take please see the
evidence I posted in response to someone else earlier........





 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 16:53:19
From: Darn Good Intelligence
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On 28 Dec, 22:33, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com > wrote:

> They are a disorganized rabble, busy fighting among themselves as much
> as fighting Israel. If they want a state, they should declare one...
> goodness knows they've had a zillion opportunities to do so.

Clearly you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about
and that's pretty terrible. How can the Palestinians "declare" their
own state if Israel is occupying large portions of the land that is
designated for that state? How are they supposed to have their own
state when Israel has carved up the W Bank for their own ends,
monopolized its water supply, demolished Palestinian homes, denied
house building permits for Arabs while issuing them freely for Jews,
restricted the movement of Palestinians within their own territory,
unlawfully killed its civillians, etc, etc? All within territory that
doesn't even belong to Israel!!! Israel wants to keep the W Bank and E
Jerusalem more than it wants to have peace with the Palestinians.

I suggest that you learn more about the conflict before you make such
absurd and baseless comments.

> Fire rockets at me and I'll do what it takes to stop you,
> "International Law" be damned.

So every unlawfull killing by Israel as reported by respected human
rights orgs was in reponse to Palestinian terrorism? You are wrong:

Media Silent On Evidence Of Israeli Targeting Of Youngsters

On the afternoon of Thursday 28 February, 2008, a group of Palestinian
boys were playing football on some open ground near their homes in the
Gaza Strip. At around 3.20pm, an Israeli aircraft fired a missile at
the boys, killing four of them instantly and seriously injuring
another three. The four dead boys were Omar Hussein Dardouna, aged 14,
Dardouna Deib Dardouna, aged 12, Mohammed Na=92im Hammouda, aged 9, and
Ali Munir Dardouna who was just 8.

Palestinian human rights fieldworkers investigated the circumstances
of this attack by Israeli forces. They concluded there was no
Palestinian resistance in the area at the time and that the boys =93must
have been clearly visible to the [Israeli] aircraft that fired the
missile.=94

http://www.ukwatch.net/article/children_in_the_crosshairs

Israeli army sniper leaves British peace activist brain-dead

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israeli-army-sniper-lea=
ves-british-peace-activist-braindead-594194.html

Palestinian doctors despair at rising toll of children shot dead by
army snipers

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/may/20/israel

PCHR Launches Investigative Report on Child Killings Perpetrated by
Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF)

The violent deaths of all these eighty children are the direct result
of IOF policy of targeting unarmed civilians in the OPT, and
especially the Gaza Strip, as a form of collective punishment against
Palestinian civilians. The report investigates the context of child
killings in the Gaza Strip, providing detailed investigations into IOF
use of disproportionate and excessive lethal force in order to
deliberately target children. The report also exposes IOF methods of
killing children, and the consistent failure of the State of Israel to
investigate IOF killings of Palestinian children in the OPT, or to
bring the perpetrators to justice.

http://www.pchrgaza.org/files/PressR/English/2008/2008/43-2008.html

Children 'bear brunt' of Mid-East conflict

The human rights organisation Amnesty International has accused both
sides in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict of targeting children.

"Children are increasingly bearing the brunt of this conflict," the
London-based organisation says in a report published on Monday.

"Both the Israeli Defence Force and Palestinian armed groups show an
utter disregard for the lives of children and other civilians," it
adds.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2288380.stm

> Israel has the power, the money, the technology, the organization, and
> the guts to defend itself.

Yes, it takes a lot of guts to kill children with snipers. It takes a
lot of guts to bomb to death civillians from the air. It takes a lot
of guts to kill innocent peace activists. It takes a lot of guts to
bulldoze Palestinian homes with blind men in wheelchairs:

Human Rights Watch report into Jenin accuses Israel of war crimesstill
inside the homes:

HRW also document incidents of reprisals against civilians. Fourteen-
year-old Muhammad Hawashin was shot twice in the face and killed on
April 3, as he walked with a group of women and children towards the
local hospital.

Wheelchair bound Kamal Zghair, 57-years-old, was shot and run over by
IDF tanks on April 10 as he wheeled himself down the road to his home,
equipped with a white flag.

Afaf Disuqi, an unarmed civilian, responded to a knock on her door on
April 5 and was killed by a bomb thrown by IDF soldiers. Eyewitnesses
reported that the soldiers were laughing as Disuqi was horribly
mutilated by the blast.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/may2002/hrwa-m10.shtml








 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 16:22:58
From: nuny@bid.nes
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 28, 3:11=A0pm, h...@nospam.com wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 14:33:03 -0800, John Larkin
>
> <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> >>Yes and Israel's unlawful killings, as reported by respected human
> >>rights groups such as Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and
> >>B'T Selem, really mark it out as being "civillized" doesn't it?
>
> >Fire rockets at me and I'll do what it takes to stop you,
> >"International Law" be damned.
>
> a few extremists fire a few rockets into Israel so then the Israelis
> murder hundreds of innocent women and children.

No, you pretend-ignorant git, not "a few extremists", the evil,
gutless cowardly "Palestinian" government AKA Hamas.=A0

Those stoopid fucking brainwashed "innocents" voted Hamas into
office and now beg them to site rocket launchers in their
neighborhoods because it gives them a chance at martyrdom when Israel
shoots back.

But that institutionalized Islamic evil must be all right with you
since you don't say anything against it.

> Sounds a lot like the Nazis in WWII.

Completely ignoring that your comparison is totally fatuous, who was
shooting at the Nazis just before they invaded Poland? NOBODY.

> >Israel has the power, the money, the technology, the organization, and
> >the guts to defend itself. The palestinians have none of the above.
> >I'm not a great fan of either party, but that's the reality.
>
> The Israelis have nothing we don't send them. =A0We give them two
> billion dollars a year and all the military technology we can send
> them thanks to the Jewish lobby in America.

So what, pretend-ignorant git, we pay Arabs _trillions_ for their
oil and they don't need no steenkin' lobby. The Arabs have nothing we
didn't eventually pay for, they buy it from anyone they damn well
please, and unlike the pittance of war materiel Congress approves for
Israel we have no control over what the Arabs buy.

And then, the incompetent fucking idiot Arabs are too STOOPID or
LAZY or maybe too CHEAP to figure out how to turn ALL THAT MONEY into
sufficient arms to actually "push Israel into the sea" as they've
repeatedly vowed to do.

> Basically we pay Israelis to murder Arabs.

Then equally we pay Arabs to murder Israelis. However, they're not
very good at it, are they?

> Could be because they own our banking system.

Now try REAL hard to think this through; which side actually _has_
the money to 'own' our banking system?


Mark L. Fergerson


 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 16:20:08
From: Darn Good Intelligence
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On 28 Dec, 20:05, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net > wrote:

> Nonsense, you say? There were no jews in judea, samaria, gaza, the
> golan, and other parts of the land. That wasn't enough. Look up the
> words calling for the annihilation of the jews by Nasser, and the many
> mullahs and imams, as always. They didn't want anyone other than a
> muslinm ever to trod any land they ever walked upon.

And what were the Zionists' intentions towards Palestine's indigenous
Arab population? Were the Zionists intentions benovelent or were they
sinister? Let's look at the evidence:

Ben-Gurion opted instead for a total evacuation of Arabs from the
proposed Jewish state. He said that he looked at the Jewish part only
as a provisional solution =93on the basis that after we build a strong
force following the establishment of the state, we will abolish the
partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of
Israel=94.

One executive member of the Jewish Agency concurred: =93...we will not
achieve this by preaching sermons on the mount, but by machine-guns
which we will need=94. Some Committee members even opposed the idea of
partition itself and argued for a single state for the Jewish people:
=93We cannot begin the Jewish state with a population of which Arabs
constitute almost half of the population=85Such a state cannot survive
even for half an hour=94.

Fearing moral backlash from world opinion against forced expulsion of
the Palestinian population, the debate considered ways of how to
contain such a possible backlash. But this did not deter one Committee
member to volunteer: =93If you ask me whether it is moral to remove
60,000 families from their place of residence=85I will say to you that
it is moral. I am ready to come and defend the moral side of it before
the Almighty and the League of Nations=94.

Ben-Gurion closed the debate: =93I support compulsory transfer. I do not
see anything immoral in it.

http://www.1948.org.uk/population-transfer-committee/

Mapai, Mapam, and the Arab problem in 1948

Here Morris examines the evolving attitudes to "the Arab problem" as
it appeared in the two dominant parties, Mapam and Mapai in 1948. Of
the minor parties only the Revisionists spoke with a clear voice. (p.
51:) On 13 May LHI declared:

A strong attack on the centres of the Arab population will
intensify the movement of refugees and all the roads in the direction
of Transjordan and the neighbouring countries will be filled with
panic-stricken masses and [this] will hamper the [enemy=B4s] military
movement, as happened during the collapse of France [in World War
II] ... A great opportunity has been given us ....The whole of this
land is ours....

[edit] (p. 53:) Mapai

Morris examines the "paper trail" on the "Arab question", and writes
that the most striking thing about Mapai is that the party - according
to the "paper trail" - hardly ever discussed it. The first to break
the silence was Golda Meir, who, after a visit to the deserted Arab
quarters of Haifa argued on 11 May that the party now had to determine
Israeli behaviour towards the Arabs that remained. Her calls for a
full-scale party debate on the issue was not heeded. Morris writes (p.
55): "It was as if a large stone had been thrown into a pool - but had
caused no ripple at all." The only full-scale Mapai party debate in
1948 took place 24 July. Some quotes from that debate:

(p.57) According to Ben-Gurion, two things had surprised him during
the war: the Arab flight and Jewish looting. "it emerged that most of
the Jews are thieves". Everyone stole and looted, including "the men
of the [Jezreel] Valley, the cream of the pioneers, the parents of the
Palmah [fighters]".

Shlomo Lavi, a veteran kibbutz movement said: "the.. transfer out of
the country in my eyes is one of the most just, moral and correct
things that can be done. I have thought this... for many years."

(p 57-58:) Avraham Katznelson endorsed the view: there is nothing
"more moral, from the viewpoint of universal human ethics, than the
emptying of the Jewish State of the Arabs and their transfer
elsewhere....This requires [the use of] force."

During that meeting Shertok stated: "It is desirable for us that the
Arabs do not return, if it is at all possible ...[This has] historical
justification.=B4 It is best for Israel and the Arab states in the long
run that Israel should not have internal problems stemming from the
existence of a large Arab minority, he implied. Shertok said, however,
that he did not think the hour was ripe for this position =B4to be
formulated outwardly [that is, publicly]=B4. (p.58)

[edit] (p. 58): Mapam

(p. 59-61): Aharon Cohen, leader of the Mapam's Arab department wrote
a memorandum called: "Our Arab Policy in the Midst of the War", 10
May. In his notes for the memorandum, penned 6 May 1948, he wrote: "a
deliberate eviction [of the Arabs] is taking place.... Others may
rejoice -I, as a socialist, am ashamed and afraid .... To win the war
and lose the peace....the state [of Israel], when it arises, will live
on its sword." In the memorandum, he wrote: "..out of certain
political goals and not only out of military necessity=B4 the Arabs were
driven out. "In practice, a ...."transfer" of the Arabs out of the
area of the Jewish state was being carried out=B4, and this would
eventually redound against the Yishuv, both militarily (by increasing
pan-Arab anger) and politically. (p.66): Cohen had charged that "it
had depended on us whether the Arabs stayed or fled... [They had fled]
and this was [the implementation of] Ben-Gurion's line in which our
comrades are [also] active""
(p.64): Ya'acov Hazan, a Kibbutz Artzi leader specifically denounced
the way the Haganah had treated the Arabs which had stayed put. In Abu
Shusha, a village near his home kibbutz, the Haganah had completely
bulldozed the village, instead of distinguishing between houses
belonging to friends and houses belonging to foes of the Yishuv. He
spoke of Haganah "killing, robbery, rape. I don't think our army
should be like any army."
(p. 65): Mapam co-leader Ya'ari, 14 June: "In truth, thousands [of
Palestinians] did flee, but not always of their own will. There were
shameful episodes......There was no necessity for all the villages to
be emptied...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_and_after%3B_Israel_and_the_Palestinians#=
Yosef_Weitz_and_the_Transfer_Committees.2C_1948-1949


  
Date: 29 Dec 2008 12:47:02
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
Darn Good Intelligence wrote:
> On 28 Dec, 20:05, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Nonsense, you say? There were no jews in judea, samaria, gaza, the
>> golan, and other parts of the land. That wasn't enough. Look up the
>> words calling for the annihilation of the jews by Nasser, and the many
>> mullahs and imams, as always. They didn't want anyone other than a
>> muslinm ever to trod any land they ever walked upon.
>
> And what were the Zionists' intentions towards Palestine's indigenous
> Arab population? Were the Zionists intentions benovelent or were they
> sinister? Let's look at the evidence:

So let's analyze what sinister or benevolent actually mean, or indicate.
The Jews, wanted their homeland, as it was their's by the oldest land
ownership document going for 3300 yrs, and for which they had no other
claims, in the world. Zion...ism is the zion of the bible of the history
of the only people who ever had a nation state there and who asked for
no other.

The arabs, claiming to be part of the Umma, the muslim spread that was
self declared to be the rightful owners of the planet, treated the rest
of the planet accordingly. They slaughtered them, or submitted them,
again and again and of course, the idea of what 'sinister' might mean,
as opposed to say, oh... Judaism's idea that it is not good to convert
others, that others can get to a firmer divinity, or heaven, phrase it
any way you want, without ever becoming jews, lends itself alone with
the 1400 yr old kindoms of Israel as without a doubt clearly the benign
version of 'ownership' and demands upon others. But the sinister one's,
the one's who demand they are owed the lands of the earth, that they go
to the highest heaven for slaughtering infidels...?

And you have the nerve to peddle who's 'sinister' and who's benevolent
by comparing those two?

My my, what a sense of humor you don't have.
Or decency.

Mark


   
Date: 29 Dec 2008 11:14:03
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:47:02 -0500, Mark Goldberg
<msgoldberg@optonline.net > wrote:

>
>So let's analyze what sinister or benevolent actually mean, or indicate.
>The Jews, wanted their homeland, as it was their's by the oldest land
>ownership document going for 3300 yrs, and for which they had no other
>claims, in the world. Zion...ism is the zion of the bible of the history
>of the only people who ever had a nation state there and who asked for
>no other.

yea, right, Jewboy. Only in your revisionist history.
>
>The arabs, claiming to be part of the Umma, the muslim spread that was
>self declared to be the rightful owners of the planet, treated the rest
>of the planet accordingly. They slaughtered them, or submitted them,
>again and again and of course, the idea of what 'sinister' might mean,
>as opposed to say, oh... Judaism's idea that it is not good to convert
>others, that others can get to a firmer divinity, or heaven, phrase it
>any way you want, without ever becoming jews, lends itself alone with
>the 1400 yr old kindoms of Israel as without a doubt clearly the benign
>version of 'ownership' and demands upon others. But the sinister one's,
>the one's who demand they are owed the lands of the earth, that they go
>to the highest heaven for slaughtering infidels...?
>
>And you have the nerve to peddle who's 'sinister' and who's benevolent
>by comparing those two?

the Jews own our Federal Reserve system, and they just totally trashed
our entire economic system purely for their own profit. The Jews
worship only one god, and that is Mammon. The Jews god is Mammon and
they will do anything to murder, destroy, corrupt, exploit anyone at
all in the world to worship their god Mammon. Judaism is evil. Plain
and simple. Your Talmud clearly condones treating Gentiles like
cattle, murdering, cheating, exploiting, anything as long as you
profit.


    
Date: 29 Dec 2008 20:25:59
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
hal@nospam.com wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:47:02 -0500, Mark Goldberg
> <msgoldberg@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> So let's analyze what sinister or benevolent actually mean, or indicate.
>> The Jews, wanted their homeland, as it was their's by the oldest land
>> ownership document going for 3300 yrs, and for which they had no other
>> claims, in the world. Zion...ism is the zion of the bible of the history
>> of the only people who ever had a nation state there and who asked for
>> no other.
>
> yea, right, Jewboy. Only in your revisionist history.
>> The arabs, claiming to be part of the Umma, the muslim spread that was
>> self declared to be the rightful owners of the planet, treated the rest
>> of the planet accordingly. They slaughtered them, or submitted them,
>> again and again and of course, the idea of what 'sinister' might mean,
>> as opposed to say, oh... Judaism's idea that it is not good to convert
>> others, that others can get to a firmer divinity, or heaven, phrase it
>> any way you want, without ever becoming jews, lends itself alone with
>> the 1400 yr old kindoms of Israel as without a doubt clearly the benign
>> version of 'ownership' and demands upon others. But the sinister one's,
>> the one's who demand they are owed the lands of the earth, that they go
>> to the highest heaven for slaughtering infidels...?
>>
>> And you have the nerve to peddle who's 'sinister' and who's benevolent
>> by comparing those two?
>
> the Jews own our Federal Reserve system, and they just totally trashed
> our entire economic system purely for their own profit. The Jews
> worship only one god, and that is Mammon. The Jews god is Mammon and
> they will do anything to murder, destroy, corrupt, exploit anyone at
> all in the world to worship their god Mammon. Judaism is evil. Plain
> and simple. Your Talmud clearly condones treating Gentiles like
> cattle, murdering, cheating, exploiting, anything as long as you
> profit.

Living on your mountain, you get to talk nuts to the squirrels.
And act bad.

You're just a goofy nutso, hatefreak. Just wrong. And when you die...
half mad, and raging, with the pus coming out of your ears.... a world
will smell a breath of fresh air, as if, someone had flushed the toilet,
and opened up some air freshner.

Idiot

Mark


    
Date: 29 Dec 2008 22:10:06
From: Jerry B. Altzman
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
on 12/29/2008 1:14 PM hal@nospam.com said the following:
> yea, right, Jewboy. Only in your revisionist history.

Girl, take a Midol(tm).

//jbaltz
--
jerry b. altzman jbaltz@altzman.com www.jbaltz.com
thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe.


    
Date: 29 Dec 2008 12:30:13
From: krw
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
In article <0i4il45p05ohvmcef01vngdfkelqup5v8s@4ax.com >,
hal@nospam.com says... >

> yea, right, Jewboy.

That's all we need to know about you.




     
Date: 29 Dec 2008 20:28:08
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
krw wrote:
> In article <0i4il45p05ohvmcef01vngdfkelqup5v8s@4ax.com>,
> hal@nospam.com says...>
>
>> yea, right, Jewboy.
>
> That's all we need to know about you.
>
>

That's him on a good day.

You ought to google up his many many many posts that are more towards
his bad days....

The ugly marxist troll with the nazi ideology. It's a hoot.

His stink carries something fierce.

Mark


      
Date: 29 Dec 2008 22:22:33
From: krw
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
In article <4959799e$0$4895$607ed4bc@cv.net >,
msgoldberg@optonline.net says...
> krw wrote:
> > In article <0i4il45p05ohvmcef01vngdfkelqup5v8s@4ax.com>,
> > hal@nospam.com says...>
> >
> >> yea, right, Jewboy.
> >
> > That's all we need to know about you.
> >
> >
>
> That's him on a good day.
>
> You ought to google up his many many many posts that are more towards
> his bad days....
>
> The ugly marxist troll with the nazi ideology. It's a hoot.
>
> His stink carries something fierce.

His sort isn't unusual on the Usenet. We have our Slowmans on SED,
too. They aren't worth too much aggravation but sometimes fun to
poke.

--
Keith


  
Date: 29 Dec 2008 08:14:42
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

> And what were the Zionists' intentions towards Palestine's indigenous
> Arab population? Were the Zionists intentions benovelent or were they
> sinister? Let's look at the evidence:
>
> Ben-Gurion opted instead for a total evacuation of Arabs from the
> proposed Jewish state. He said that he looked at the Jewish part only
> as a provisional solution “on the basis that after we build a strong
> force following the establishment of the state, we will abolish the
> partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of
> Israel”.

And when the arabs had not one jew living in their land, judea and
samaria and gaza, they did attack to 'annihilate' everyone. Nice folk.

Gee... no wonder others wondered if they might be better moving them
out. And of course, once again, back to the nascent beginning of the
US, when the magarib, the North African nations of muslims, attacked the
americans, and enslaved them and stole their goods....

telling descriptions of Islam and of Muslims by some of the most
important figures in American
history. Two of them were Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, in 1786
ambassadors (Jefferson in Paris, Adams in London) from the
newly-established American Republic still under the Articles of
Confederation (the Treaty of Paris had been signed in 1783, the
Constitution was ratified only in 1787). They had a meeting with the
representative of Tripolitania (present-day Libya) then in
the Great Britain, Sidi Haji Rahmand Adja. Like other Christian maritime
powers, the American state had suffered from the state-piracy
of Muslim corsairs. The word “piracy” implies mere seeking at random
for booty, and is inadequate to describe the formal system by
which Muslim corsairs had for centuries been making war on Christian
shipping, with the foreknowledge (indeed, often registering
in advance either the places their ships would be going, or what Infidel
shipping they intended to attack) and support of the Muslim
rulers of the North African states -- which, in turn, were ostensibly
under the control of the Ottoman rulers in Istanbul.
> Both Jefferson and Adams were learned men. Take a tour in Quincy or
at Monticello and look at their libraries, and then
imagine the reading material that sustains the current, or the last few,
American presidents. But they had no reason to know about Islam. They
were interested in the civilization of the West, to which they belonged.
Islam was merely a disturbing and violent intruder, to south and east,
of that West. The notion that someday Muslims in the Western world would
be insisting that the Western world owed so much to Islam, that the
Renaissance was practically a Muslim invention, that without Islam the
great civilization of the Western world was unthinkable, would have been
regarded by them as what it is: absurdity, from first to last, a
travesty of history.
>
> But did they know much about what prompted Muslim behavior? No. So
they asked why the Barbary states (present-day Morocco
Algerian, Tunisia, and Libya) would continually attack American and
all other Infidel shipping, seize the cargoes and the sailors,
taking both back to Islamic lands and enslaving those Christian seamen
who sometimes could be ransomed, sometimes not.
So they asked the ambassador, Mr. Adja, why the Muslims of the
Maghrib, the “Barbary pirates” as they were known in the West,
did as they did.
> ****He had no trouble answering them, as the report written by
Jefferson and Adams to the Continental Congress shows:
> “…that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was
written in their Koran, that all nations who should
not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their
right and duty to make war upon them
wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could
take as Prisoners,
and that every Musselman who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to
Paradise.”*****
------------------------

Yeah... it's a wonder why anyone might conceivably think that living
with them was an impossiblity. I mean, because the arabs and muslims
themselves dont' allow but their own dominion upon all others.


Mark


  
Date: 29 Dec 2008 07:48:39
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
Darn Good Intelligence wrote:
> On 28 Dec, 20:05, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Nonsense, you say? There were no jews in judea, samaria, gaza, the
>> golan, and other parts of the land. That wasn't enough. Look up the
>> words calling for the annihilation of the jews by Nasser, and the many
>> mullahs and imams, as always. They didn't want anyone other than a
>> muslinm ever to trod any land they ever walked upon.
>
> And what were the Zionists' intentions towards Palestine's indigenous
> Arab population? Were the Zionists intentions benovelent or were they
> sinister? Let's look at the evidence:
>
> Ben-Gurion opted instead for a total evacuation of Arabs from the
> proposed Jewish state.

And now... after all this, after they didn't transfer the populations,
and didn't but grant democratic freedoms unavailable anywhere in the
arab or muslim world granted to muslims, let alone vice versa in those
nations to 'infidels'.... what are the results???

The 'arabs' in Israel have more freedoms there than any arab nation. No
arab nation grants nor delivers any such freedoms or equality to any
infidels and destruction of infidels populations is the history, period.

And, You say.... as I pointed out, this last week, in Gaza, the 'arabs'
of Hamas, the elected rulers, voted to imposed crucifixion for the
crimes of infidels. Uh huh.

And worldwide, in all those other non muslim lands, where the muslims
are at war- where the pakistani's said they were oppressed peoples who
wer the original inhabitants of India, and the Phillipines, and
Indonesia, and other places, of the world, where they claim they are
oppressed.... it just goes back to the command for them to rule.
And that's how they act.

As if it were there's, and it is a total insult that Sharia is not
instituted for all. For all... infidels. Muslim law.

Zionist intensions?

Israel, is the only land claimed, ever.
It is the opposite of the muslim and arab ummah's claim of the 'entire
world is theirs'

Look at all the nations and all the slaughters and right to oppress and
rule over 'all others' and the actual history of this.

then bs the room and yourself about how unfair it is for Israel to might
not think living with these barbarian annihilators is such a good idea.

I have no sympathy for homicidists and those who preach the annihilation
and need for the annihilation and have acted thru out history and
demonstrated annihlation and subjugation and tyranny and who demand it
and tell the world it is their right to rule, and who object to those
who resist.

The first 'war' the Israeli's lose, they're dead. The arabs lose and cry
'oppression' and they beg for 'assistance' and then brag how they really
won. A sickness, and on so many levels.
Everyone, mugged by Islam, and by 'palestinian reality, and the 'ummah'

Sure.... big wonder why people being homicided by them, long before any
of this began, thought...'gee, maybe we can't live with them'

Mark


   
Date: 29 Dec 2008 07:04:38
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

"Mark Goldberg" <msgoldberg@optonline.net > wrote in message
news:4958c728$0$14281$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
> Sure.... big wonder why people being homicided by them, long before any
> of this began, thought...'gee, maybe we can't live with them'
>
> Mark


Sweet Jesus. Darn is from Dublin, Ireland and he blames the Brits, and by
extension the US for everything. But I never thought I'd live to see the day
when a good old paddy would take sides with muslim extremists just to spite
the Brits. And these cocksuckers wonder why we don't take the IRA
seriously - lol. Bunch of commie bastards. But I'll say one thing, over here
on RGP we have a real Irishman who goes by the handle 'Irish Mike,' and I
bet he would kick this paddies ass all the way to Mecca. Sumbitch. Now I
have to say FUCK THE IRA. Er, sorry Mike, but it's true. I wouldn't be
surprised if most IRAsswipes support the muslim filth too. This world is
truly going to hell. Fuck it.







    
Date: 29 Dec 2008 12:51:48
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
Neverchop wrote:
> "Mark Goldberg" <msgoldberg@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:4958c728$0$14281$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> Sure.... big wonder why people being homicided by them, long before any
>> of this began, thought...'gee, maybe we can't live with them'
>>
>> Mark
>
>
> Sweet Jesus. Darn is from Dublin, Ireland and he blames the Brits, and by
> extension the US for everything. But I never thought I'd live to see the day
> when a good old paddy would take sides with muslim extremists just to spite
> the Brits. And these cocksuckers wonder why we don't take the IRA
> seriously - lol. Bunch of commie bastards. But I'll say one thing, over here
> on RGP we have a real Irishman who goes by the handle 'Irish Mike,' and I
> bet he would kick this paddies ass all the way to Mecca. Sumbitch. Now I
> have to say FUCK THE IRA. Er, sorry Mike, but it's true. I wouldn't be
> surprised if most IRAsswipes support the muslim filth too. This world is
> truly going to hell. Fuck it.

I've read a bunch of very decent people with remarkably sober and
sensible patriotism and self preservation instincts and understandings
in this thread. The RMA group where I converse, has some hideous ugly
hate freak marxist, nazi lovers, really vicious jew haters and haters of
the west. They hand out and drool like slobs and cleaning up their
messes has become pretty much everybody's second hobby.

I don't what the main group here is, that is supplying all these
sensible comments about this ugly arab and muslim assaults but you guys
are frank and forthright, you don't take bullshit lightly and you don't
mince words. It's a breath of fresh air.

Mark


     
Date: 29 Dec 2008 12:00:38
From: krw
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
In article <49590eaa$0$4879$607ed4bc@cv.net >,
msgoldberg@optonline.net says... >
> Neverchop wrote:
> > "Mark Goldberg" <msgoldberg@optonline.net> wrote in message
> > news:4958c728$0$14281$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> >> Sure.... big wonder why people being homicided by them, long before any
> >> of this began, thought...'gee, maybe we can't live with them'
> >>
> >> Mark
> >
> >
> > Sweet Jesus. Darn is from Dublin, Ireland and he blames the Brits, and by
> > extension the US for everything. But I never thought I'd live to see the day
> > when a good old paddy would take sides with muslim extremists just to spite
> > the Brits. And these cocksuckers wonder why we don't take the IRA
> > seriously - lol. Bunch of commie bastards. But I'll say one thing, over here
> > on RGP we have a real Irishman who goes by the handle 'Irish Mike,' and I
> > bet he would kick this paddies ass all the way to Mecca. Sumbitch. Now I
> > have to say FUCK THE IRA. Er, sorry Mike, but it's true. I wouldn't be
> > surprised if most IRAsswipes support the muslim filth too. This world is
> > truly going to hell. Fuck it.
>
> I've read a bunch of very decent people with remarkably sober and
> sensible patriotism and self preservation instincts and understandings
> in this thread. The RMA group where I converse, has some hideous ugly
> hate freak marxist, nazi lovers, really vicious jew haters and haters of
> the west. They hand out and drool like slobs and cleaning up their
> messes has become pretty much everybody's second hobby.
>
> I don't what the main group here is, that is supplying all these
> sensible comments about this ugly arab and muslim assaults but you guys
> are frank and forthright, you don't take bullshit lightly and you don't
> mince words. It's a breath of fresh air.

Oh, we have our drooling hate-filled slobs, like Slowman, too.
They're an inescapable part of the Usenet.




      
Date: 29 Dec 2008 11:04:08
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:00:38 -0600, krw <krw@att.zzzzzzzzz > wrote:

>In article <49590eaa$0$4879$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
>msgoldberg@optonline.net says...>
>> Neverchop wrote:
>> > "Mark Goldberg" <msgoldberg@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> > news:4958c728$0$14281$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> >> Sure.... big wonder why people being homicided by them, long before any
>> >> of this began, thought...'gee, maybe we can't live with them'
>> >>
>> >> Mark
>> >
>> >
>> > Sweet Jesus. Darn is from Dublin, Ireland and he blames the Brits, and by
>> > extension the US for everything. But I never thought I'd live to see the day
>> > when a good old paddy would take sides with muslim extremists just to spite
>> > the Brits. And these cocksuckers wonder why we don't take the IRA
>> > seriously - lol. Bunch of commie bastards. But I'll say one thing, over here
>> > on RGP we have a real Irishman who goes by the handle 'Irish Mike,' and I
>> > bet he would kick this paddies ass all the way to Mecca. Sumbitch. Now I
>> > have to say FUCK THE IRA. Er, sorry Mike, but it's true. I wouldn't be
>> > surprised if most IRAsswipes support the muslim filth too. This world is
>> > truly going to hell. Fuck it.
>>
>> I've read a bunch of very decent people with remarkably sober and
>> sensible patriotism and self preservation instincts and understandings
>> in this thread. The RMA group where I converse, has some hideous ugly
>> hate freak marxist, nazi lovers, really vicious jew haters and haters of
>> the west. They hand out and drool like slobs and cleaning up their
>> messes has become pretty much everybody's second hobby.
>>
>> I don't what the main group here is, that is supplying all these
>> sensible comments about this ugly arab and muslim assaults but you guys
>> are frank and forthright, you don't take bullshit lightly and you don't
>> mince words. It's a breath of fresh air.
>
>Oh, we have our drooling hate-filled slobs, like Slowman, too.
>They're an inescapable part of the Usenet.
>

oh look Mommy, one retard just gave the other one a nice reach around!


       
Date: 29 Dec 2008 12:41:36
From: StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:04:08 -0700, hal@nospam.com wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:00:38 -0600, krw <krw@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
>>In article <49590eaa$0$4879$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
>>msgoldberg@optonline.net says...>
>>> Neverchop wrote:
>>> > "Mark Goldberg" <msgoldberg@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>> > news:4958c728$0$14281$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>> >> Sure.... big wonder why people being homicided by them, long before any
>>> >> of this began, thought...'gee, maybe we can't live with them'
>>> >>
>>> >> Mark
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sweet Jesus. Darn is from Dublin, Ireland and he blames the Brits, and by
>>> > extension the US for everything. But I never thought I'd live to see the day
>>> > when a good old paddy would take sides with muslim extremists just to spite
>>> > the Brits. And these cocksuckers wonder why we don't take the IRA
>>> > seriously - lol. Bunch of commie bastards. But I'll say one thing, over here
>>> > on RGP we have a real Irishman who goes by the handle 'Irish Mike,' and I
>>> > bet he would kick this paddies ass all the way to Mecca. Sumbitch. Now I
>>> > have to say FUCK THE IRA. Er, sorry Mike, but it's true. I wouldn't be
>>> > surprised if most IRAsswipes support the muslim filth too. This world is
>>> > truly going to hell. Fuck it.
>>>
>>> I've read a bunch of very decent people with remarkably sober and
>>> sensible patriotism and self preservation instincts and understandings
>>> in this thread. The RMA group where I converse, has some hideous ugly
>>> hate freak marxist, nazi lovers, really vicious jew haters and haters of
>>> the west. They hand out and drool like slobs and cleaning up their
>>> messes has become pretty much everybody's second hobby.
>>>
>>> I don't what the main group here is, that is supplying all these
>>> sensible comments about this ugly arab and muslim assaults but you guys
>>> are frank and forthright, you don't take bullshit lightly and you don't
>>> mince words. It's a breath of fresh air.
>>
>>Oh, we have our drooling hate-filled slobs, like Slowman, too.
>>They're an inescapable part of the Usenet.
>>
>
>oh look Mommy, one retard just gave the other one a nice reach around!


And where, with such a nice view as you appear to be telling us you
have of the two, do you think you fit into this, voyeur?

You are worse than the entire lot.

Mainly due to your stupidity level, but also the fact that you think
you are not like any one of these you claim to be making observations
about.


        
Date: 29 Dec 2008 14:20:25
From: Chas
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
"StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt" <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org > wrote
> And where, with such a nice view as you appear to be telling us you
> have of the two, do you think you fit into this, voyeur?
> You are worse than the entire lot.

You equate name-calling with muslim barbarities?
'Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will get my head cut off'?

> Mainly due to your stupidity level, but also the fact that you think
> you are not like any one of these you claim to be making observations
> about.

Geez; Mrs. Grundy-
all that over some vulgarities?
How droll.

Chas




         
Date: 29 Dec 2008 14:32:49
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:20:25 -0700, "Chas" <chasclements@comcast.net >
wrote:

>"StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt" <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote
>> And where, with such a nice view as you appear to be telling us you
>> have of the two, do you think you fit into this, voyeur?
>> You are worse than the entire lot.
>
>You equate name-calling with muslim barbarities?
>'Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will get my head cut off'?
>
>> Mainly due to your stupidity level, but also the fact that you think
>> you are not like any one of these you claim to be making observations
>> about.
>
>Geez; Mrs. Grundy-
>all that over some vulgarities?
>How droll.
>
>Chas
>
You're a goddamned idiot.


       
Date: 29 Dec 2008 12:12:32
From: krw
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
In article <l74il4d73rpn7k2tisfvbve34cunv0o1sv@4ax.com >,
hal@nospam.com says... >
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:00:38 -0600, krw <krw@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
> >In article <49590eaa$0$4879$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
> >msgoldberg@optonline.net says...>
> >> Neverchop wrote:
> >> > "Mark Goldberg" <msgoldberg@optonline.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:4958c728$0$14281$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> >> >> Sure.... big wonder why people being homicided by them, long before any
> >> >> of this began, thought...'gee, maybe we can't live with them'
> >> >>
> >> >> Mark
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sweet Jesus. Darn is from Dublin, Ireland and he blames the Brits, and by
> >> > extension the US for everything. But I never thought I'd live to see the day
> >> > when a good old paddy would take sides with muslim extremists just to spite
> >> > the Brits. And these cocksuckers wonder why we don't take the IRA
> >> > seriously - lol. Bunch of commie bastards. But I'll say one thing, over here
> >> > on RGP we have a real Irishman who goes by the handle 'Irish Mike,' and I
> >> > bet he would kick this paddies ass all the way to Mecca. Sumbitch. Now I
> >> > have to say FUCK THE IRA. Er, sorry Mike, but it's true. I wouldn't be
> >> > surprised if most IRAsswipes support the muslim filth too. This world is
> >> > truly going to hell. Fuck it.
> >>
> >> I've read a bunch of very decent people with remarkably sober and
> >> sensible patriotism and self preservation instincts and understandings
> >> in this thread. The RMA group where I converse, has some hideous ugly
> >> hate freak marxist, nazi lovers, really vicious jew haters and haters of
> >> the west. They hand out and drool like slobs and cleaning up their
> >> messes has become pretty much everybody's second hobby.
> >>
> >> I don't what the main group here is, that is supplying all these
> >> sensible comments about this ugly arab and muslim assaults but you guys
> >> are frank and forthright, you don't take bullshit lightly and you don't
> >> mince words. It's a breath of fresh air.
> >
> >Oh, we have our drooling hate-filled slobs, like Slowman, too.
> >They're an inescapable part of the Usenet.
> >
>
> oh look Mommy, one retard just gave the other one a nice reach around!

Oh, look, another Slowman clone.





        
Date: 29 Dec 2008 15:02:18
From: Michael A. Terrell
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and

krw wrote:
>
> In article <l74il4d73rpn7k2tisfvbve34cunv0o1sv@4ax.com>,
> hal@nospam.com says...>
> > On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:00:38 -0600, krw <krw@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> >
> > >In article <49590eaa$0$4879$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
> > >msgoldberg@optonline.net says...>
> > >> Neverchop wrote:
> > >> > "Mark Goldberg" <msgoldberg@optonline.net> wrote in message
> > >> > news:4958c728$0$14281$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> > >> >> Sure.... big wonder why people being homicided by them, long before any
> > >> >> of this began, thought...'gee, maybe we can't live with them'
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Mark
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Sweet Jesus. Darn is from Dublin, Ireland and he blames the Brits, and by
> > >> > extension the US for everything. But I never thought I'd live to see the day
> > >> > when a good old paddy would take sides with muslim extremists just to spite
> > >> > the Brits. And these cocksuckers wonder why we don't take the IRA
> > >> > seriously - lol. Bunch of commie bastards. But I'll say one thing, over here
> > >> > on RGP we have a real Irishman who goes by the handle 'Irish Mike,' and I
> > >> > bet he would kick this paddies ass all the way to Mecca. Sumbitch. Now I
> > >> > have to say FUCK THE IRA. Er, sorry Mike, but it's true. I wouldn't be
> > >> > surprised if most IRAsswipes support the muslim filth too. This world is
> > >> > truly going to hell. Fuck it.
> > >>
> > >> I've read a bunch of very decent people with remarkably sober and
> > >> sensible patriotism and self preservation instincts and understandings
> > >> in this thread. The RMA group where I converse, has some hideous ugly
> > >> hate freak marxist, nazi lovers, really vicious jew haters and haters of
> > >> the west. They hand out and drool like slobs and cleaning up their
> > >> messes has become pretty much everybody's second hobby.
> > >>
> > >> I don't what the main group here is, that is supplying all these
> > >> sensible comments about this ugly arab and muslim assaults but you guys
> > >> are frank and forthright, you don't take bullshit lightly and you don't
> > >> mince words. It's a breath of fresh air.
> > >
> > >Oh, we have our drooling hate-filled slobs, like Slowman, too.
> > >They're an inescapable part of the Usenet.
> > >
> >
> > oh look Mommy, one retard just gave the other one a nice reach around!
>
> Oh, look, another Slowman clone.


That is a war crime.


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Date: 28 Dec 2008 19:32:13
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

"Darn Good Intelligence" <waynetv50@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:f5ce5d9c-84fc-4c9b-8416-879b29b87927@g39g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
> And what were the Zionists' intentions towards Palestine's indigenous
> Arab population? Were the Zionists intentions benovelent or were they
> sinister? Let's look at the evidence:

Right. Evidence. Sieg Heil BITCH.




 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 16:12:39
From: Darn Good Intelligence
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On 28 Dec, 15:29, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net > wrote:

> When they had it ALL- prior to 1967, no jew could go to the western
> wall, to pray. No jews lived in any of the 80% of the lands that are
> biblical lands, judenrein. Judea and Samaria, nor the golan, nor gaza.
>
> All judenrein. So your friends attacked with the mandate to slaughter
> the jews and throw them into the sea.

What on earth are you ranting about? What is your point exactly?

> No palestinian nation, because it was a ruse to 'invent' a peoples that
> didn't exist- the palestinians were jews- arabs thought of themselves as
> arabs and part of great Syria.

This is a pretty conventional Zionist argument designed to de-
legitmise the Palestinian claim to the land. Heard it a million times
before; it's as weak as piss. In assessing the two claims to the land,
both Palestinian Arab and Jew, clearly the most important aspect is
legal ownership of the land. The Arabs owned 90% + of Palestine in
1943 (see earlier posts) and the Jews less than 10%.

Whether the Palestinians thought of themselves as a nation or not has
no relevance. Why should something as intangible as a perception of
nationhood (and what YOU claim their "perception" of nationhood to be,
which is pretty dubious anyway) carry *greater weight* when assessing
the two claims to the land than legal ownership of the disputed
territory? This is what a court of law would quite rightly look at
when assessing the two claims. And don't forget that not only did the
Palestinians own most of the land, they also represented 2/3 of its
inhabitants. The Jews were the minority in Palestine until 1948 when
700,000 Arabs were frightened/forced into fleeing their homes. This
was the causative event in the creation of the Jewish majority in
Palestine.





  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 17:21:17
From: StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:12:39 -0800 (PST), Darn Good Intelligence
<waynetv50@yahoo.com > wrote:

> This is what a court of law would quite rightly look at
>when assessing the two claims. And don't forget that not only did the
>Palestinians own most of the land, they also represented 2/3 of its
>inhabitants. The Jews were the minority in Palestine until 1948 when
>700,000 Arabs were frightened/forced into fleeing their homes. This
>was the causative event in the creation of the Jewish majority in
>Palestine.


Look, dipshit. The "Palistinians" were signators of the UN charter, and
they were at the table when the decision was made. It was then that five
piss and moan political retards in five nations went AGAINST what was
already agreed to, and "condemned" both the action and "Israel" itself,
as well as all the innocent people therein.

The problem with you extremist bastards is that you still want to run
around with sabers in hand hacking and whacking all that anger you
unchecked, when the rest of the world is far more civil, and far further
ahead than that and consider it barbaric. The fact is that once the UN
and all involved agreed to the parcel in '48, all the pissed off
extremist dipshits in the world NOW or then cannot change the fact that
the land is now Jewish land and that you have NO CLAIM to ANY of it.

AND YOU STUPID FUCKTARDS NEED TO SETTLE DOWN AND LEARN HOW TO BE CIVIL,
or you will be rode out of town on a fucking rail... AGAIN!


So, YEAH, when you stupid fucks SIGN a CEASE FIRE (look it up,idiot)...

And then FIRE MISSILES on civilians(what part of the words fire and
BANNED do you not understand?)...

You SHOULD EXPECT SEVERE retaliation.

How hard is that to understand, you fucking sub-human idiot? Goddamned
google groups retards!


   
Date: 28 Dec 2008 19:29:09
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

"StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt" <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org > wrote in message
news:hf9gl4dvq5nmn1glicpmjqap9ni48kmfpn@4ax.com...
>
> Look, dipshit. The "Palistinians" were signators of the UN charter, and
> they were at the table when the decision was made. It was then that five
> piss and moan political retards in five nations went AGAINST what was
> already agreed to, and "condemned" both the action and "Israel" itself,
> as well as all the innocent people therein.
>
> The problem with you extremist bastards is that you still want to run
> around with sabers in hand hacking and whacking all that anger you
> unchecked, when the rest of the world is far more civil, and far further
> ahead than that and consider it barbaric. The fact is that once the UN
> and all involved agreed to the parcel in '48, all the pissed off
> extremist dipshits in the world NOW or then cannot change the fact that
> the land is now Jewish land and that you have NO CLAIM to ANY of it.
>
> AND YOU STUPID FUCKTARDS NEED TO SETTLE DOWN AND LEARN HOW TO BE CIVIL,
> or you will be rode out of town on a fucking rail... AGAIN!
>
>
> So, YEAH, when you stupid fucks SIGN a CEASE FIRE (look it up,idiot)...
>
> And then FIRE MISSILES on civilians(what part of the words fire and
> BANNED do you not understand?)...
>
> You SHOULD EXPECT SEVERE retaliation.
>
> How hard is that to understand, you fucking sub-human idiot? Goddamned
> google groups retards!


Excellent points all. I'd only add that I truly hope that Homeland Security
is tracking these cocksuckers down so they can round them up before they
unleash another one of their waves of terror here in the states. If it
weren't for people like these treasonous bastards we wouldn't need the DHS
or the Patriot Act. But now I thank God for both. Keep you powder dry.







    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 17:58:58
From: StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:29:09 -0600, "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com >
wrote:

>
>"StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt" <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote in message
>news:hf9gl4dvq5nmn1glicpmjqap9ni48kmfpn@4ax.com...
>>
>> Look, dipshit. The "Palistinians" were signators of the UN charter, and
>> they were at the table when the decision was made. It was then that five
>> piss and moan political retards in five nations went AGAINST what was
>> already agreed to, and "condemned" both the action and "Israel" itself,
>> as well as all the innocent people therein.
>>
>> The problem with you extremist bastards is that you still want to run
>> around with sabers in hand hacking and whacking all that anger you
>> unchecked, when the rest of the world is far more civil, and far further
>> ahead than that and consider it barbaric. The fact is that once the UN
>> and all involved agreed to the parcel in '48, all the pissed off
>> extremist dipshits in the world NOW or then cannot change the fact that
>> the land is now Jewish land and that you have NO CLAIM to ANY of it.
>>
>> AND YOU STUPID FUCKTARDS NEED TO SETTLE DOWN AND LEARN HOW TO BE CIVIL,
>> or you will be rode out of town on a fucking rail... AGAIN!
>>
>>
>> So, YEAH, when you stupid fucks SIGN a CEASE FIRE (look it up,idiot)...
>>
>> And then FIRE MISSILES on civilians(what part of the words fire and
>> BANNED do you not understand?)...
>>
>> You SHOULD EXPECT SEVERE retaliation.
>>
>> How hard is that to understand, you fucking sub-human idiot? Goddamned
>> google groups retards!
>
>
>Excellent points all. I'd only add that I truly hope that Homeland Security
>is tracking these cocksuckers down so they can round them up before they
>unleash another one of their waves of terror here in the states. If it
>weren't for people like these treasonous bastards we wouldn't need the DHS
>or the Patriot Act. But now I thank God for both. Keep you powder dry.
>
>
>
>
Funny, that last line is exactly what I told my brother, whom I haven't
spoken to in nearly a year. I was referencing 'in house'(read in country)
'issues' however. Still, a reminder of the current mindset of some.

Put me in office. I'll start with port security, sweep over border
security, then find and fine all inside that remain, that are responsible
for the southern state region crime waves.

Not speaking to you (person I responded to), the euphemistic border
hopping 'you' is my target...

Doesn't matter if you are here being civil. If you stepped across the
border without going through the proper channels, you stepped in front of
your fellow nationals, whom are more deserving than you, so you committed
two crimes, all told.


 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 15:41:49
From: nuny@bid.nes
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 28, 3:32=A0am, Darn Good Intelligence <waynet...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> On 28 Dec, 01:22, Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Despite the fact that you are not very tactful, I tend to agree. Human
> > history _has been_ just as you say.
>
> So by this logic the law of the jungle applies: whoever is strongest
> gets to keep their territorial gains made through conquest? Wonder if
> you would still believe in this if someone could take some Israeli
> land through force? Typical Zionist horseshit: the right to take land
> by force applies to Jews but not to anyone else.

Typical Hate-Jews bullshit; despite considerable repeated effort
nobody has been able to do so, have they? Is that what has your
panties in a twist?

Go ahead, tell me it's because America backs them with military
hardware.

Go ahead, tell me why the Arab states "dedicated" to pushing Israel
into the sea can't seem to figure out how to convert their trillions
in spare oil wealth into sufficient weaponry to actually do it.

> >But to suggest that everyone
> > must stay home and that all movement of populations is illigitmate
> > does have us all back in East Africa.
>
> Yet the movement of Jews to Palestine in order to create a Jewish
> state their could not have occured without massive expense to the
> indigenous Arabs who were by 2/3 the majority in Palestine in 1947.

"Indigenous" =3D "bullshit". When did the "Palestinians'" ancestors
arrive? While you're chewing on that, why did they move from where
they were previously?

> What you are claiming would have been legitimate had the Zionists been
> attempting to colonize an uninhabited territory.

What a load of crap; there _is_ no "uninhabited territory" on the
Earth with the sole exception of Antarctica and we're working on that.

> This was not the
> case. The Jewish majority state was only achieved due to the exodus of
> 700,000 Palestinian Arabs who were frightened/forced into fleeing
> during the course of the 1947-1948 war. This wasn't a "movement of
> population" as you claim but an expulsion without which a Jewish state
> in all of Palestine could not have been formed.

Yep, and it was orchestrated by good Xtians with the expectation
that it would lead to Armageddon and the eventual establishment of
their gods' rule on Earth.

Do you suppose they're pleased with the progress so far?


Mark L. Fergerson


 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 08:57:02
From: Mike
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 27, 11:11=A0pm, GreenDistantStar <pde63...@bigpond.net.au > wrote:
> wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
> > "Jerry B. Altzman" <jba...@altzman.com> wrote in message news:foC5l.
> > 1447$Es4....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> >> on 12/27/2008 3:59 PM rigger said the following:
> >>> But Israel was stupid in ever leaving Gaza. =A0They actually thought
> >>> it would lower tensions but the pigs of Hamas didn't see it that way.
> >>> They deserve everything they get.
> >> Spending all that energy to protect 1000 Israelis against 2 million
> >> Palestinians...the math doesn't work out.
> >> Israel tried to give Gaza to Egypt in the peace accords in '77 (I
> >> believe) and Egypt *didn't want it*.
>
> >> One wonders why.
>
> > Mmmmmm......... Let me give you an analogy: What say I rob a Wal-Mart
> > store and give you their parking lot in exchange for a night with your
> > daughter?
>
> How many spaces in the parking lot?
>
> GDS
>
> "Let's roll!"- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The space is actually between his ears. Whole lot from what I hear...


 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 07:43:55
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 28, 10:32 am, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net > wrote:
> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:
> > On 28 Dec, 00:32, John Larkin
> > <jjSNIPlar...@highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>
> >> Palestine shouldn't exist.
>
> > Why? Why can't they have their own state in the W Bank and Gaza which
> > the International Court of Justice and the entire international
> > community bar Israel recognizes is land that belongs to the
> > Palestinians?
>
> Because when they had it all... there were no jews there. None. It was
> judenrein. And they then tried to kill them all with the orders to
> annihilate them.
>
> So it's all a ruse to do it and destroy them and all Israel, as clearly
> stated in the history and goals of Islamic dominion. And supported by
> the left and others who want to be the last eaten by the alligator.

Now _you_ are talking nonsense. As long as Jews showed no ambition to
have a homeland of theiir own, Muslim mainstream opinion was that they
should be treated as Dhimmis and this varied from a rather pleasant
second-class citizenship to being a very badly treated minority,
depending on where and when you were in the Muslim world.

Not that this was a good thing but it is a far cry from attempted
extermination.

--
Will in New Haven



  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 16:48:01
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
Will in New Haven wrote:

>
> Not that this was a good thing but it is a far cry from attempted
> extermination.
>

I love all this equivalency for 'extermination'. It' shard to accept
that anyone would mandate it, let alone do it, let alone actually merely
rationalize it, let alone make it theological imperative that
historically was justified as mandatory so that others, now in the west
would have to follow their moebius strips and say, 'well, it's a far cry
from....'

From what.

From this.

This is the Muslim Brotherhoods statement of 'purpose from the 1920's.

and the Islamic Republic of Iran began with the Muslim Brotherhood,
which was founded in Egypt in 1928. Its founder, Hassan Al-Banna,
declared that “it is a duty incumbent on every Muslim to struggle
towards the aim of making every people Muslim and the whole world
Islamic, so that the banner of Islam can flutter over the earth and the
call of the Muezzin can resound in all the corners of the world: God
is greatest [Allahu akbar]!”

Today, the Brotherhood is an international force. Hamas identifies
itself in its Charter as the Palestinian branch of the Muslim
Brotherhood,and al-Qaeda is another of its offshoots. Organizations
created by theMuslim Brotherhood include the Muslim Students
Association, the
Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), Islamic Society of
North America and the Muslim American Society.
The global jihad or holy war spawned by the Muslim Brotherhood
aims to eradicate or subjugate all non-Muslim peoples, and to destroy
and efface not only all non-Muslim governments, but all societies
and cultures that are not Islamic.

The Islamic jihad spans the globe, and its aim is, ultimately,
genocidal.

First target: Israel
****The founder of the Muslim Brotherhood Hassan al-Banna said:
“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate
it, just as it obliterated others before it.*”****

Since then other leaders of the Islamic jihad, including Yasir Arafat
have repeatedly affirmed their goal that the Jewish State cease to
exist, itself an act of genocide. Mahmoud Ahmedinejad has promised
that “the annihilation of the Zionist regime will come,” and has noted
that it was predicted by the Ayatollah Khomeini: “The Imam said this
regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.”
The Islamic holy war to eliminate a non-Muslim state from the
3
Arab Muslim Middle East is the cause of the Middle East conflict, not
the size of Israel, its occupation of this or that territory, or the need to
create a Palestinian state. In the words of Ahmadinejad: “The Islamic
umma (community), will not allow its historic enemy [Israel] to live
in its heartland.” Israel’s end is near: “There is no doubt that the new
wave [of attacks] in Palestine will soon wipe off this disgraceful blot
[Israel] from the face of the Islamic world.”
---------------

Well, of course he didn't mean 'exterminate... he meant 'obliterate.

Right?

Mark


  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 15:47:21
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
Will in New Haven wrote:
from a rather pleasant
> second-class citizenship to being a very badly treated minority,
> depending on where and when you were in the Muslim world.
>
> Not that this was a good thing but it is a far cry from attempted
> extermination.

Well of course. Here's some more of that 'pleasant' second class
citizenship, from today:

December 28, 2008

Malaysia: Religious department to act against any blogger who insults Islam
But that's just a religious department; it does not speak for Malaysia
in general, and certainly not the government in particular, right?
Actually, as this report indicates, "the police and the Malaysian
Communications and Multimedia Commission are still trying to trace the
blogger said to have insulted Prophet Muhammad."

"Moderate Malaysia" Alert: "Religious department to act against any
blogger who insults Islam," by Hamidah Atan for the News Straits Times,
December 28:

The Islamic Development Department (Jakim) will take stern action
against bloggers who insult Islam, including non-Muslims.
Its director-general Datuk Wan Mohamad Sheikh Abdul Aziz said the
department could act against irresponsible bloggers, regardless of their
religious background.

"Right now, the police and the Malaysian Communications and Multimedia
Commission are still trying to trace the blogger said to have insulted
Prophet Muhammad.

"We will come in once the culprit is found," he said...

And dispense Islamic law, no doubt -- death to the offender.
-----------------

Tell you what will. Go to some people of any persuasion. Say, oh, the
black persuasion, and tell them you want them to live as pleasant second
class citizens- say, their churches, can't be as tall as a mosque, that
they have to pay the jizya each year and get slapped across the mouth to
show them that they are dhimmi, or inferior, and that they must take on
a hundred other signs and actions to let them know what a nigger is, to
the muslim.

That pleasant existence you spoke about.

Mark


  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 15:29:40
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
Will in New Haven wrote:

> Now _you_ are talking nonsense. As long as Jews showed no ambition to
> have a homeland of theiir own, Muslim mainstream opinion was that they
> should be treated as Dhimmis and this varied from a rather pleasant
> second-class citizenship to being a very badly treated minority,
> depending on where and when you were in the Muslim world.
>
> Not that this was a good thing but it is a far cry from attempted
> extermination.

I think you should read any of about twenty or so very good and
authoritative texts that explain why your rationaliztion about slavery,
and dhimmitude are to be kind.... incorrect.

Try Spencers' The myth of islamic tolerance' or A Bostom's 'The Legacy
of Jihad'

But here, let's say, let's just look at the mild stuff. The rather
'pleasant stuff' that is just well... pleasant.

Here's today's news from Britain:

December 28, 2008

UK: BBC's "favorite" Muslim organization launches "witch-hunt" against
Muslims who helped expose hate literature in UK mosques
By asking all Muslims to "expose them," in order to "protect our
community" -- not Britain in general but rather the Muslim community
living in Britain, that is, the umma. This is the price Muslims who help
infidel governments must pay: will the infidel government reciprocate
now by offering them protection, or at the very least recognizing MPAC
for what it is?

"MPAC launches a witchhunt against 'Zio-Con' Muslims" by Damian Thompson
for the Telegraph, December 28:

The Muslim Public Affairs Commitee (MPACUK) is appealing to its
supporters to track down the Muslim researchers who worked with the
think tank Policy Exchange on a project to expose the sale of hate
literature in British mosques.
Under the heading "The Hunt for 8 Sufi Zio-Con Frauds", the MPAC website
claims that the researchers were members of "Sufi underground cults" who
teamed up with the Zionists to discredit Islam. And it adds:

Who are they, what are their backgrounds ... MPACUK will dig deeper and
expose every last detail of the Sufis who tried to destroy their own
community.

Sounds like MPACUK is publicly denouncing these Muslims of apostasy --
and we all know what happens to apostates in Islam.
If you know who they are - please write in and we will expose these men
and women for all the Muslim community to see. Write in now and let us
do what the incompetent idiots in the Mosque should be doing, protecting
our community.
Let us do what, precisely? I wonder if this sinister announcement of a
manhunt will persuade the BBC to stop sucking up to MPAC, whose
spokesman Ashgar Bukhari says that any Muslim killed fighting Israel
goes straight to paradise. Probably not.[...]

What we have here is a threatening post on the MPAC official website
which is apparently encouraging someone to dispense Islamic justice to
Muslim traitors. "Protecting our community", MPAC calls it. That's a
handy little euphemism, isn't it?
--------------

It's all rather pleasant.... well, maybe to you.

Mark


  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 15:05:28
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
Will in New Haven wrote:
> On Dec 28, 10:32 am, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:
>
>>> Why? Why can't they have their own state in the W Bank and Gaza which
>>> the International Court of Justice and the entire international
>>> community bar Israel recognizes is land that belongs to the
>>> Palestinians?
>> Because when they had it all... there were no jews there. None. It was
>> judenrein. And they then tried to kill them all with the orders to
>> annihilate them.
>>
>> So it's all a ruse to do it and destroy them and all Israel, as clearly
>> stated in the history and goals of Islamic dominion. And supported by
>> the left and others who want to be the last eaten by the alligator.
>
> Now _you_ are talking nonsense. As long as Jews showed no ambition to
> have a homeland of theiir own, Muslim mainstream opinion was that they
> should be treated as Dhimmis and this varied from a rather pleasant
> second-class citizenship to being a very badly treated minority,
> depending on where and when you were in the Muslim world.

Nonsense, you say? There were no jews in judea, samaria, gaza, the
golan, and other parts of the land. That wasn't enough. Look up the
words calling for the annihilation of the jews by Nasser, and the many
mullahs and imams, as always. They didn't want anyone other than a
muslinm ever to trod any land they ever walked upon.

So how is it nonsense to mention that fact? That living as niggers, as
dhimmi, should be indication that they weren't to be 'annihilated' but
only abused, tormented and abused? And that's not annihilation? Listen,
it is the basis of Islam, that non muslims are to be humiliated, to be
so tormented that they really understand that they are lesser, to be
used, and to be greatful for the privilege of being allowed to live as
dhimmi, as niggers.

Now... go read the words, throughout all these times, and not just of
the jews, the most despised, but all the dhimmi, which is everyone else.

In fact, let's go back to the words that Thomas Jefferson heard after
the first jihadist attack against america, before their was yet, an America.

... > In a recent article prompted by his reading of Joshua London’s
Victory in Tripoli, Andrew Bostom, who compiled The Legacy of Jihad,
adduces from London’s text a number of telling descriptions of Islam
and of Muslims by some of the most important figures in American
history. Two of them were Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, in 1786
ambassadors (Jefferson in Paris, Adams in London) from the
newly-established American Republic still under the Articles of
Confederation (the Treaty of Paris had been signed in 1783, the
Constitution was ratified only in 1787). They had a meeting with the
representative of Tripolitania (present-day Libya) then in
the Great Britain, Sidi Haji Rahmand Adja. Like other Christian maritime
powers, the American state had suffered from the state-piracy
of Muslim corsairs. The word “piracy” implies mere seeking at random
for booty, and is inadequate to describe the formal system by
which Muslim corsairs had for centuries been making war on Christian
shipping, with the foreknowledge (indeed, often registering
in advance either the places their ships would be going, or what Infidel
shipping they intended to attack) and support of the Muslim
rulers of the North African states -- which, in turn, were ostensibly
under the control of the Ottoman rulers in Istanbul.
> Both Jefferson and Adams were learned men. Take a tour in Quincy or at Monticello and look at their libraries, and then
imagine the reading material that sustains the current, or the last few,
American presidents. But they had no reason to know about Islam. They
were interested in the civilization of the West, to which they belonged.
Islam was merely a disturbing and violent intruder, to south and east,
of that West. The notion that someday Muslims in the Western world would
be insisting that the Western world owed so much to Islam, that the
Renaissance was practically a Muslim invention, that without Islam the
great civilization of the Western world was unthinkable, would have been
regarded by them as what it is: absurdity, from first to last, a
travesty of history.
>
> But did they know much about what prompted Muslim behavior? No. So they asked why the Barbary states (present-day Morocco
Algerian, Tunisia, and Libya) would continually attack American and
all other Infidel shipping, seize the cargoes and the sailors,
taking both back to Islamic lands and enslaving those Christian seamen
who sometimes could be ransomed, sometimes not.
So they asked the ambassador, Mr. Adja, why the Muslims of the
Maghrib, the “Barbary pirates” as they were known in the West,
did as they did.
> ****He had no trouble answering them, as the report written by Jefferson and Adams to the Continental Congress shows:
> “…that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should
not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their
right and duty to make war upon them
wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could
take as Prisoners,
and that every Musselman who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to
Paradise.”*****

What is nonsensical is the continued attempt to water down what this
means, what it has meant worldwide, again, and again, and again, and the
billion people enslaved, and the desire to to that to everyone.

To water this down, to rationalize this is more likely, utter nonsense.

Mark


 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 07:31:55
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 28, 10:20 am, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net > wrote:
> Darn Good Intelligence wrote:
> > On 28 Dec, 01:02, Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> By the way, where was all this Palestinian nationalism when the Turks
> >> were treating them like dogfood? Where was all this resistance when
> >> the Brits were treating them slightly better? There WASN'T any because
> >> there has never been a Palestinian nation. Not that there are not
> >> legitimate grievances against Israel but not in the name of the naiton
> >> that never existed.
>
> > Zionist bullshit. What matters is legal ownership of the land:
>
> Oh really? You mean when the arabs were imploring Hitler to annihilate
> all the jews in 'Palestine' ( they tried to build a concentration camp
> in 'Palestine' which was burned down ) it was a land deal?
>
> zion is jerusalem, and zionist is one who recognizes the only peoples
> who ever had ownership, capital, nation, and peoples there, and who
> claimed no other. On the other hand your victims have crusaded across
> the globe claiming ownership everywhere. Legal ownership? They claim
> onwership of the world and slaughter to claim it.

The land became Muslim land during the First Jihad. This was a largely
_military_ conquest of a large chunk of the world. It became an Arab
land as the local people became assimilated to Arab language and
culture. Even the Christians became Arabs in this way, although very
few of them are descended from Arabs. Now military conquest has become
anathema to most of the world.

We are supposed to be aghast at the Crusades for trying to _retake_ a
recently (by historical standards) Christian Middle East from the
Muslims. We are supposed to be eager to see the Jewish conquest, one
of the most recent in history, rolled back. But no one ever whispers
that the First Jihad was a monstrosity of the same type.

Committee for a Hindu Indonesia

--
Will in New Haven


 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 05:14:38
From: Darn Good Intelligence
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On 28 Dec, 12:22, "Neverchop" <neverc...@lotto.com > wrote:
> "Darn Good Intelligence" <waynet...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:79247639-3ccd-4647-be1f-b02d8422760b@35g2000pry.googlegroups.com...
>
> > land through force? Typical Zionist horseshit: the right to take land
> > by force applies to Jews but not to anyone else.
>
> Typical anti-Semitic horseshit: you do know that Hitler lost the war, right?

See my earlier posts on this subject. Zionists only believe in the
"law of the jungle" when it is Israel making the territorial gains. As
soon as you propose a scenario in which a stronger opponent takes land
from Israel, then suddenly the application of the "law of the jungle"
is suspended. The bottom line is that the "law of the jungle" is
neither legal or moral and the reason why it is illegal under
international law to acquire territory through war is precisely to
protect weaker nations from having land stolen from them by stronger
parties who can take and hold their land purely by virtue of greater
military strength.



 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 05:09:53
From: Darn Good Intelligence
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On 28 Dec, 12:16, "Neverchop" <neverc...@lotto.com > wrote:
> "Darn Good Intelligence" <waynet...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:f93d2d4b-2b37-42fc-80b6-a5b8288c2244@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Zionist bullshit. What matters is legal ownership of the land:
>
> So if China and the Saudi\UAE morons come over here and buy 90% of the land
> they get clear tittle to the constitution? Idiot.

What are you talking about? The Palestinian Arabs owned 90% of
Palestine land under the British Mandate. The Jews wanted to become
the majority population in a territory where they only owned a small
amount of the land and represented only 1/3 of its population.



  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 19:23:19
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

"Darn Good Intelligence" <waynetv50@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:dd19eff7-88bc-4742-9f8c-b5910c06bf38@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On 28 Dec, 12:16, "Neverchop" <neverc...@lotto.com> wrote:
> > "Darn Good Intelligence" <waynet...@yahoo.com> wrote in
messagenews:f93d2d4b-2b37-42fc-80b6-a5b8288c2244@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.co
m...
> >
> >
> >
> > > Zionist bullshit. What matters is legal ownership of the land:
> >
> > So if China and the Saudi\UAE morons come over here and buy 90% of the
land
> > they get clear tittle to the constitution? Idiot.
>
> What are you talking about? The Palestinian Arabs owned 90% of
> Palestine land under the British Mandate. The Jews wanted to become
> the majority population in a territory where they only owned a small
> amount of the land and represented only 1/3 of its population.
>

Look idiot. Those who live by the sword will die by the sword. Don't pretend
to act all reasonable and shit while taking the side of the criminal muslims
against the peace loving Israelis and Americans. Here in America, especially
during times of war such as now, those who adhere to our enemies are guilty
of treason and worthy only of the corruption of their blood. The only real
question is should that carry over to their children also? I've noticed the
Rosenberg's kid on TV a lot lately trying to convert the youthful idiots to
communism. If they had of took him out back when they did his parents we
wouldn't have to put up with his crap now. I say kill you all and let God
sort it out. So FUCK YOU ASSHOLE.






   
Date: 28 Dec 2008 17:29:33
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:23:19 -0600, "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com >
wrote:

>
>"Darn Good Intelligence" <waynetv50@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:dd19eff7-88bc-4742-9f8c-b5910c06bf38@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On 28 Dec, 12:16, "Neverchop" <neverc...@lotto.com> wrote:
>> > "Darn Good Intelligence" <waynet...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>messagenews:f93d2d4b-2b37-42fc-80b6-a5b8288c2244@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.co
>m...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Zionist bullshit. What matters is legal ownership of the land:
>> >
>> > So if China and the Saudi\UAE morons come over here and buy 90% of the
>land
>> > they get clear tittle to the constitution? Idiot.
>>
>> What are you talking about? The Palestinian Arabs owned 90% of
>> Palestine land under the British Mandate. The Jews wanted to become
>> the majority population in a territory where they only owned a small
>> amount of the land and represented only 1/3 of its population.
>>
>
>Look idiot. Those who live by the sword will die by the sword. Don't pretend
>to act all reasonable and shit while taking the side of the criminal muslims
>against the peace loving Israelis and Americans. Here in America, especially
>during times of war such as now, those who adhere to our enemies are guilty
>of treason and worthy only of the corruption of their blood. The only real
>question is should that carry over to their children also? I've noticed the
>Rosenberg's kid on TV a lot lately trying to convert the youthful idiots to
>communism. If they had of took him out back when they did his parents we
>wouldn't have to put up with his crap now. I say kill you all and let God
>sort it out. So FUCK YOU ASSHOLE.
>
>
>
Shouldn't your nym then be "alwayschop"? :-]

Chop, chop, old chap.


    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 22:56:53
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org > wrote in message
news:et9gl4d7j6vlvmqa8usmfthq8664p3c9vh@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:23:19 -0600, "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com>
> wrote:
> >wouldn't have to put up with his crap now. I say kill you all and let God
> >sort it out. So FUCK YOU ASSHOLE.
> >
> >
> Shouldn't your nym then be "alwayschop"? :-]
>
> Chop, chop, old chap.


Heh, chop is a poker term for either splitting a pot or the prize money at
the final table in a poker tournament. You get no choice in the first
instance but I Neverchop a final table - no matter what. I'm over here on
RGP responding to the result of some crossposting cocksucker of a neo-nazi
('s) BS. But in essence you are correct. Then again, BANG - BANG would work
too. Same difference - the cocksucking nazi dies which is about all they
ever did. Sonsofbitches.

It's funny how you never here from the cocksucking punk bitches out on the
street. They wouldn't know balls if they had a pair of their own. But up
here on the usenet these little cocksucking punk bitches are everywhere.
Well, them and what passes for today's cocksucking communist punk bitches.
You never see those little faggots out there neither. Bunch of cocksucking
pussies.









 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 05:06:33
From: Darn Good Intelligence
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On 28 Dec, 11:57, A Man Beaten by Jacks <nob...@fool.foo > wrote:

>The only thing unique about Israel's
> war of conquest is its recency. =A0

True - but what is also not unique about Israel was the immorality of
its creation.

>Regardless of its origin, it is a
> recognized sovereign nation at this point and there would be no more
> justification for dissolving it than dissolving the United States.

True - and I never argued otherwise. What I was simply pointing out is
that acquiring territory through military conquest is both illegal and
immoral. Just because it has occured throughout history is irrelevant
and does not make it kosher. My point was that if you want to argue
that territorial acquistion by Israel through war is legitimate then
you would also have to concede that acquistion of Israeli territory
through war would also be legitimate should it ever occur. IOW the
"law of the jungle applies - the acquisition and continued holding of
territory is determined by military strength and not on legal or moral
justifications. However, if the law of the jungle is applied to a
scenario where Israel has to concede land due to being militarily
weaker than an opponent, then suddenly Zionists don't believe in the
law of the jungle. It can work both ways.



 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 03:42:00
From: Darn Good Intelligence
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On 27 Dec, 21:35, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:

> Oh fuck off. =A0The Palestinians could have had their own country in the =
1990s
> if they'd wanted it. =A0When Clinton held the Camp David meetings Israel
> offered Arafat his own country. =A0

This thread is full of such nonsense I don't know where to start. What
Barak offered the Palestinians at Camp David fell well short of what
the Palestinians were legally entitled to under International Law:
Israel refused to let the Palestinians have East Jersualem as their
capital and would only give them 80% of the W Bank (rising to 90% at
some point long into the future based on conditions set by Israel) and
the Palestinian state would have been divided into 4 disconnected
fragments: three in the W Bank and the whole of Gaza, the entrance and
exits to which would have been completely controlled by Israel. Would
you have accepted these terms? Do these terms sound like a proposed
sovereign state to you?

>Arafat was afraid that if they had peace
> with Israel he would lose some of his personal power. =A0So he decided to
> start blowing up Israeli women and children instead. =A0

Yet he continued negotiating with Israel after the second Intifada in
September 2000, holding negotiations in Taba, Egypt in January 2001.


  
Date: 30 Dec 2008 11:04:42
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 29, 9:54 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
> "GreenDistantStar" <pde63...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:
>
> %cf6l.5668$cu....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>
>
>
>
> > wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> "StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt" <Zarathus...@thusspoke.org> wrote in
> >> messagenews:k7cil45visho1l6e4crv98ig43khdccth2@4ax.com...
> >>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:26:01 -0600, "Neverchop" <neverc...@lotto.com>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>> What would the world be like now had some intelligent German <sic> shot
> >>> the rebel Hitler before he ever got to power?
>
> >> Germany would now be called Israel, and the real Germans would be
> >> living inside "security walls" just like the Palestinians today.
>
> >>> What would the world be like now, had Jimi lived?
>
> >> The pothead guitar genius would be constantly living in rehab.
>
> > There are rehab clinics for pot-smokers??? Can you name a few for me?
>
> > Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no small part to the fact it's not
> > physically addictive.
>
> > One can't say the same of alcohol, witness its effects on millions world wide.
>
> Don't you think Jimi Hendrix would have explored harder drugs if he
> had lived?


I probably smoked more pot than he did and I didn't. I even quit pot
last Thursday. Maybe.

--
Will in New Haven


   
Date: 30 Dec 2008 14:07:18
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:04:42 -0800 (PST), Will in New Haven
<bill.reich@taylorandfrancis.com > wrote:

>On Dec 29, 9:54 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:

>> Don't you think Jimi Hendrix would have explored harder drugs if he
>> had lived?

>I probably smoked more pot than he did and I didn't. I even quit pot
>last Thursday. Maybe.

This is a troll, right? Harder than heroin?


    
Date: 30 Dec 2008 12:33:49
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:07:18 -0500, A Man Beaten by Jacks
<nobody@fool.foo > wrote:

>On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:04:42 -0800 (PST), Will in New Haven
><bill.reich@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 29, 9:54 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>> Don't you think Jimi Hendrix would have explored harder drugs if he
>>> had lived?
>
>>I probably smoked more pot than he did and I didn't. I even quit pot
>>last Thursday. Maybe.
>
>This is a troll, right? Harder than heroin?


Jimi was not on smack, dipshit.

Someone should smack you.


     
Date: 30 Dec 2008 15:35:37
From: Mark B [Diputsur]
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org > wrote in message
news:kc1ll49hhd0bmrpfkeijjecr7513t7g1kb@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:07:18 -0500, A Man Beaten by Jacks
> <nobody@fool.foo> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:04:42 -0800 (PST), Will in New Haven
>><bill.reich@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Dec 29, 9:54 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>> Don't you think Jimi Hendrix would have explored harder drugs if he
>>>> had lived?
>>
>>>I probably smoked more pot than he did and I didn't. I even quit pot
>>>last Thursday. Maybe.
>>
>>This is a troll, right? Harder than heroin?
>
>
> Jimi was not on smack, dipshit.
>
> Someone should smack you.

Hey asshole, dipshit is a term of endearment around these parts.




      
Date: 30 Dec 2008 16:06:27
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:35:37 -0500, "Mark B [Diputsur]"
<diputsur@gmail.com > wrote:

>
>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>news:kc1ll49hhd0bmrpfkeijjecr7513t7g1kb@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:07:18 -0500, A Man Beaten by Jacks
>> <nobody@fool.foo> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:04:42 -0800 (PST), Will in New Haven
>>><bill.reich@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Dec 29, 9:54 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Don't you think Jimi Hendrix would have explored harder drugs if he
>>>>> had lived?
>>>
>>>>I probably smoked more pot than he did and I didn't. I even quit pot
>>>>last Thursday. Maybe.
>>>
>>>This is a troll, right? Harder than heroin?
>>
>>
>> Jimi was not on smack, dipshit.
>>
>> Someone should smack you.
>
>Hey asshole, dipshit is a term of endearment around these parts.

"Then on May 3, 1969, Hendrix was arrested at Toronto's Pearson
International Airport after heroin and hashish were found in his
luggage. Hendrix argued in his trial defense that the drugs were
slipped into his bag by a fan without his knowledge, and he was
acquitted."

Suuuure they were slipped into his bag. Anyone who thinks Jimi wasn't
on smack is fucking retarded.


       
Date: 07 Jan 2009 00:55:36
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:06:27 -0500, A Man Beaten by Jacks
<nobody@fool.foo > wrote:

>On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:35:37 -0500, "Mark B [Diputsur]"
><diputsur@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>news:kc1ll49hhd0bmrpfkeijjecr7513t7g1kb@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:07:18 -0500, A Man Beaten by Jacks
>>> <nobody@fool.foo> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:04:42 -0800 (PST), Will in New Haven
>>>><bill.reich@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Dec 29, 9:54 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Don't you think Jimi Hendrix would have explored harder drugs if he
>>>>>> had lived?
>>>>
>>>>>I probably smoked more pot than he did and I didn't. I even quit pot
>>>>>last Thursday. Maybe.
>>>>
>>>>This is a troll, right? Harder than heroin?
>>>
>>>
>>> Jimi was not on smack, dipshit.
>>>
>>> Someone should smack you.
>>
>>Hey asshole, dipshit is a term of endearment around these parts.
>
>"Then on May 3, 1969, Hendrix was arrested at Toronto's Pearson
>International Airport after heroin and hashish were found in his
>luggage. Hendrix argued in his trial defense that the drugs were
>slipped into his bag by a fan without his knowledge, and he was
>acquitted."
>
>Suuuure they were slipped into his bag. Anyone who thinks Jimi wasn't
>on smack is fucking retarded.


He smoked hash. The smack was for friends.


  
Date: 29 Dec 2008 20:16:30
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and

"GreenDistantStar" <pde63539@bigpond.net.au > wrote in message news:
8cg6l.5696$cu.4284@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>
> wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com wrote:
>> "GreenDistantStar" <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:
>> %cf6l.5668$cu.858@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>
>>> wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> "StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt" <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote in
>>>> message news:k7cil45visho1l6e4crv98ig43khdccth2@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:26:01 -0600, "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What would the world be like now had some intelligent German <sic> shot
>>>>> the rebel Hitler before he ever got to power?
>>>>>
>>>> Germany would now be called Israel, and the real Germans would be
>>>> living inside "security walls" just like the Palestinians today.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What would the world be like now, had Jimi lived?
>>>> The pothead guitar genius would be constantly living in rehab.
>>> There are rehab clinics for pot-smokers??? Can you name a few for me?
>>>
>>> Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no small part to the fact it's not
>>> physically addictive.
>>>
>>> One can't say the same of alcohol, witness its effects on millions world wide.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Don't you think Jimi Hendrix would have explored harder drugs if he
>> had lived?
>
> I don't see any evidence for it. Jimi used drugs recreationally and for musical inspiration, he wasn't
> an addict and had no medical history of drug problems.
>
> He smoked some weed and dropped some acid, de rigeur for the 60s.
>
> More likely he would have mellowed out and become an elder statesman of blues and rock.
>
> BTW...how's your Bjj coming along?
>
>


I quit BJJ after 9 months. It is nice to know what they are doing. I
think I have learned enough so that I know what to do when I end up in
a situation where I need real ground fighting skills. Definitely BJJ
is king in ground fighting.

I have learned 4 years of Wing Tsun (Wing Chun). I have come to the
conclusion that my Sifu is an idiot. I have purchased all (I think)
available Wing Chun DVDs on the internet. I think that my own Sifu
doesn't understand what the hell he is doing. Many of the masters
selling the DVDs on the internet also don't know what the hell they
are doing. All off them learned the forms more or less the same, but
most of them have wrong interpretation of the movements in the forms.
However I found a couple of good ones from whom I picked up the clues
as to what the movements in the forms mean.

Now I think I have mastered the essence of Wing Chun close-quarter
hand combat. I can confidently spar with a guy and can hinder all the
arm movements of the opponent. That is the tactile skill I have
learned from doing the "Sticking Hand" drills. The key in the Wing
Chun close-quarter hand combat is to stick to the opponent's arms as
much as possible and attack him while doing that. It is easy said than
done. The other useful skill in Wing Chun is the Straight Punch, which
uses a different muscle group from the regular boxing punch. Now I can
do very powerful straight punch without moving my shoulders and torso.

I have picked up very good kicking techniques from my Muay Thai
classes. Kicking is what Muay Thai is good at. Personally I think Muay
Thai punches suck. Muay Thai more or less punch like Western Boxing.

Now that I have picked up some good stuff from BJJ and Muay Thai, I am
thinking of learning some "White Crane" in the coming year. I think
some of their fighting moves are quite elegant.

A Happy New Year to you and your Aussie folks. Happy rolling!


Wannabe
=======






  
Date: 29 Dec 2008 18:54:14
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and

"GreenDistantStar" <pde63539@bigpond.net.au > wrote in message news:
%cf6l.5668$cu.858@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>
> wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com wrote:
>> "StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt" <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote in
>> message news:k7cil45visho1l6e4crv98ig43khdccth2@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:26:01 -0600, "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> What would the world be like now had some intelligent German <sic> shot
>>> the rebel Hitler before he ever got to power?
>>>
>>
>> Germany would now be called Israel, and the real Germans would be
>> living inside "security walls" just like the Palestinians today.
>>
>>
>>> What would the world be like now, had Jimi lived?
>>
>> The pothead guitar genius would be constantly living in rehab.
>
> There are rehab clinics for pot-smokers??? Can you name a few for me?
>
> Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no small part to the fact it's not
> physically addictive.
>
> One can't say the same of alcohol, witness its effects on millions world wide.
>
>


Don't you think Jimi Hendrix would have explored harder drugs if he
had lived?




   
Date: 30 Dec 2008 03:03:32
From: GreenDistantStar
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and


wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com wrote:
> "GreenDistantStar" <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:
> %cf6l.5668$cu.858@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com wrote:
>>> "StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt" <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote in
>>> message news:k7cil45visho1l6e4crv98ig43khdccth2@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:26:01 -0600, "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What would the world be like now had some intelligent German <sic> shot
>>>> the rebel Hitler before he ever got to power?
>>>>
>>> Germany would now be called Israel, and the real Germans would be
>>> living inside "security walls" just like the Palestinians today.
>>>
>>>
>>>> What would the world be like now, had Jimi lived?
>>> The pothead guitar genius would be constantly living in rehab.
>> There are rehab clinics for pot-smokers??? Can you name a few for me?
>>
>> Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no small part to the fact it's not
>> physically addictive.
>>
>> One can't say the same of alcohol, witness its effects on millions world wide.
>>
>>
>
>
> Don't you think Jimi Hendrix would have explored harder drugs if he
> had lived?

I don't see any evidence for it. Jimi used drugs recreationally and for musical inspiration, he wasn't
an addict and had no medical history of drug problems.

He smoked some weed and dropped some acid, de rigeur for the 60s.

More likely he would have mellowed out and become an elder statesman of blues and rock.

BTW...how's your Bjj coming along?

GDS

"Let's roll!"


  
Date: 29 Dec 2008 17:49:38
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and

"StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt" <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org > wrote in
message news:k7cil45visho1l6e4crv98ig43khdccth2@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:26:01 -0600, "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> What would the world be like now had some intelligent German <sic> shot
> the rebel Hitler before he ever got to power?
>

Germany would now be called Israel, and the real Germans would be
living inside "security walls" just like the Palestinians today.


> What would the world be like now, had Jimi lived?

The pothead guitar genius would be constantly living in rehab.




   
Date: 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11
From: GreenDistantStar
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and


wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com wrote:
> "StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt" <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote in
> message news:k7cil45visho1l6e4crv98ig43khdccth2@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:26:01 -0600, "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> What would the world be like now had some intelligent German <sic> shot
>> the rebel Hitler before he ever got to power?
>>
>
> Germany would now be called Israel, and the real Germans would be
> living inside "security walls" just like the Palestinians today.
>
>
>> What would the world be like now, had Jimi lived?
>
> The pothead guitar genius would be constantly living in rehab.

There are rehab clinics for pot-smokers??? Can you name a few for me?

Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no small part to the fact it's not
physically addictive.

One can't say the same of alcohol, witness its effects on millions world wide.

GDS

"Let's roll!"


    
Date: 30 Dec 2008 16:24:44
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 30, 5:56 pm, A Man Beaten by Jacks <nob...@fool.foo > wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:24:38 -0800 (PST), Will in New Haven
>
>
>
> <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 30, 4:06 pm, A Man Beaten by Jacks <nob...@fool.foo> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:35:37 -0500, "Mark B [Diputsur]"
>
> >> <diput...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
> >> >news:kc1ll49hhd0bmrpfkeijjecr7513t7g1kb@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:07:18 -0500, A Man Beaten by Jacks
> >> >> <nob...@fool.foo> wrote:
>
> >> >>>On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:04:42 -0800 (PST), Will in New Haven
> >> >>><bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>>>On Dec 29, 9:54 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> >>>>> Don't you think Jimi Hendrix would have explored harder drugs if he
> >> >>>>> had lived?
>
> >> >>>>I probably smoked more pot than he did and I didn't. I even quit pot
> >> >>>>last Thursday. Maybe.
>
> >> >>>This is a troll, right? Harder than heroin?
>
> >> >> Jimi was not on smack, dipshit.
>
> >> >> Someone should smack you.
>
> >> >Hey asshole, dipshit is a term of endearment around these parts.
>
> >> "Then on May 3, 1969, Hendrix was arrested at Toronto's Pearson
> >> International Airport after heroin and hashish were found in his
> >> luggage. Hendrix argued in his trial defense that the drugs were
> >> slipped into his bag by a fan without his knowledge, and he was
> >> acquitted."
>
> >> Suuuure they were slipped into his bag. Anyone who thinks Jimi wasn't
> >> on smack is fucking retarded.
> >He wasn't "on smack," although he almost certainly used it on
> >occasion. Lots of people have skin-popped or snorted and never gotten
>
> I suppose it depends on what you mean by "on smack." It's pretty much
> a certainty he did heroin in some way, shape, or form, and frankly, I
> don't think many people without some kind of habit attempt to ship
> heroin across international lines.
>
> >addicted. I have seen plenty of addicts and I watched Jimmy on stage.
> >He wasn't a junkie. However, I don't believe the "fans stuck it in my
> >luggage" story either.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "junkie." He didn't appear to have died
> of it, or in any case, he didn't have track marks on his arms. That
> doesn't rule out heroin addiction, though, and it's pretty clear he
> was on some pretty heavy combination of drugs at the time he died,
> even if what he choked to death on was basically red wine.
>
> >The "strong" model of addiction doesn't fit marijuana. Oddly enough,
> >it doesn't fit heroin all that well either. Barbituates will kill you
> >if you try to kick. Heroin will basically give you the equivalent of a
> >bad cold.
>
> Marijuana is barely described accurately as "addictive" at all,
> although it's certainly habit-forming.
>
> And while heroin withdrawal could be described physically as little
> worse than a bad flu, anyone who has actually gone through it knows
> there's a psychological component to it which is brutal.

Junkies _routinely_ exaggerate how bad it is for them. It may well be
as bad as people think for a small minority of them but it isn't that
bad for lots of them. Lying to "the man," including psychologists and
other authority figures, is part of the culture.

Nobody would
> do life-destroying things to end the misery of a mere cold. However,
> many people, to escape the misery of heroin withdrawal, go right back
> onto a drug they know is killing them.

They don't go back because the withdrawl is so bad. Many of them go
back looong after having shed all the symptoms of withdrawl. They go
back because it is what they do.

> I've seen people go through heroin withdrawal. While "bad cold" might
> capture the pure physicality of it, there's a lot more to it than
> that. It is a true mindfuck and perhaps the worst there is in the
> drug world.

Reds, barbituates, kill you when you kick. There is no way to call
heroin withdrawl worse.

--
Will in New Haven


    
Date: 30 Dec 2008 01:37:49
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
<pde63539@bigpond.net.au > wrote:

>
>Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no small part to the fact it's not
>physically addictive.


Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?


     
Date: 30 Dec 2008 10:02:34
From: GreenDistantStar
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and


Archimedes' Lever wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no small part to the fact it's not
>> physically addictive.
>
>
> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?

It might well be where you are, it certainly isn't most everywhere else.

But let's not get deflected...where are the hospitals world-wide full of marijuana addicts?

There aren't any.

By ANY measure, weed is less harmful that alcohol and tobacco.

I'm concerned with consequences, not political fiat.

GDS

"Let's roll!"


      
Date: 30 Dec 2008 04:17:28
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:02:34 GMT, GreenDistantStar
<pde63539@bigpond.net.au > wrote:

>
>
>Archimedes' Lever wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
>> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no small part to the fact it's not
>>> physically addictive.
>>
>>
>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
>
>It might well be where you are, it certainly isn't most everywhere else.
>
>But let's not get deflected...where are the hospitals world-wide full of marijuana addicts?
>
>There aren't any.
>
>By ANY measure, weed is less harmful that alcohol and tobacco.

Cannabis is the most benign human inebriant that ever existed.
>
>I'm concerned with consequences, not political fiat.

It grows two feet per month. Pine grow two feet per year.

Math says that hemp makes batter construction media, as well as being
an oxygen replenisher, and the seeds are second only to Soy in protein
content.

Political fiat? Hell, the reason it is still illegal is because the
bastards won't admit that they have been wrong all this time.


     
Date: 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27
From: Clave
Subject: Talking about dope now, boys...
"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org > wrote in message
news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>>
>>Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no small
>>part to the fact it's not
>>physically addictive.
>
>
> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?

Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing at all
to do with its actual psychoactive properties.

Jim




      
Date: 30 Dec 2008 01:58:30
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote:

>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
>> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no small
>>>part to the fact it's not
>>>physically addictive.
>>
>>
>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
>
>Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing at all
>to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>
>Jim
>
It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact that
the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
other.

In other words, ya dopey fuck, it can be one or the other, but it can't
be both.


       
Date: 30 Dec 2008 04:34:47
From:
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:58:30 -0800, Archimedes' Lever
<OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org > wrote:

>On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
><ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>

> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact that
>the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
>other.
>
> In other words, ya dopey fuck, it can be one or the other, but it can't
>be both.

that's because Cannabis is not a narcotic, plain and simple.


        
Date: 30 Dec 2008 20:07:24
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
<hal@nospam.com > wrote in message
news:kp1kl413mdhgnja39lg43gdr2uiojsvj7b@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:58:30 -0800, Archimedes' Lever
> <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
>><ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>
>
>> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact that
>>the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
>>other.
>>
>> In other words, ya dopey fuck, it can be one or the other, but it can't
>>be both.
>
> that's because Cannabis is not a narcotic, plain and simple.

Not only that, AL doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

Jim




         
Date: 31 Dec 2008 22:37:18
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:07:24 -0800, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote:

><hal@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:kp1kl413mdhgnja39lg43gdr2uiojsvj7b@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:58:30 -0800, Archimedes' Lever
>> <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
>>><ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact that
>>>the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
>>>other.
>>>
>>> In other words, ya dopey fuck, it can be one or the other, but it can't
>>>be both.
>>
>> that's because Cannabis is not a narcotic, plain and simple.
>
>Not only that, AL doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
>
>Jim
>

You're an idiot, Jimmy.


          
Date: 31 Dec 2008 22:43:11
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org > wrote in message
news:p3pol4l6n1u0b9noegscdo43m8f5r479bj@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:07:24 -0800, "Clave"
> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
>><hal@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>news:kp1kl413mdhgnja39lg43gdr2uiojsvj7b@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:58:30 -0800, Archimedes' Lever
>>> <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
>>>><ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact
>>>> that
>>>>the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
>>>>other.
>>>>
>>>> In other words, ya dopey fuck, it can be one or the other, but it
>>>> can't
>>>>be both.
>>>
>>> that's because Cannabis is not a narcotic, plain and simple.
>>
>>Not only that, AL doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>
> You're an idiot, Jimmy.

Coming from you, that's not the insult you think it is.

As I already said, I wasn't talking about cannabis, I was talking about
your silly blanket assertion that "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are
mutually exclusive, which of course they aren't.

You were just plain wrong, for fuck's sake. Man up, admit it and get on
with your life.

Jim




           
Date: 31 Dec 2008 23:49:35
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:43:11 -0800, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote:

>You were just plain wrong, for fuck's sake. Man up, admit it and get on
>with your life.
>
>Jim
>
You're an idiot. Grow up, for Christ's sake, and stop thinking you are
cool simply because you can argue that a narcotic 'feels good', allowing
for the psychoactive moniker.

To me 'psychoactive' means mood altering. a conscious thing. Not some
lame chemical interaction that allows one to describe a drug that has a
depressive effect as a 'psychoactive drug'.

In other words, ya dope... if you are not conscious after taking it
due to a narcosis, you cannot possibly be having a psychoactive 'event'.


            
Date: 31 Dec 2008 23:52:42
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org > wrote in message
news:l4tol4ls2iu4ffqdjp0k0hc7pa6grfipcc@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:43:11 -0800, "Clave"
> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
>>You were just plain wrong, for fuck's sake. Man up, admit it and get on
>>with your life.
>>
>>Jim
>>
> You're an idiot. Grow up, for Christ's sake, and stop thinking you are
> cool simply because you can argue that a narcotic 'feels good', allowing
> for the psychoactive moniker.
>
> To me 'psychoactive' means mood altering...

Right.

Fuck the definition everyone else lives with.

Jim




             
Date: 01 Jan 2009 08:27:37
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:52:42 -0800, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote:

>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>news:l4tol4ls2iu4ffqdjp0k0hc7pa6grfipcc@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:43:11 -0800, "Clave"
>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>
>>>You were just plain wrong, for fuck's sake. Man up, admit it and get on
>>>with your life.
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>> You're an idiot. Grow up, for Christ's sake, and stop thinking you are
>> cool simply because you can argue that a narcotic 'feels good', allowing
>> for the psychoactive moniker.
>>
>> To me 'psychoactive' means mood altering...
>
>Right.
>
>Fuck the definition everyone else lives with.
>
>Jim
>
Said the retard that actually thinks the FDA positioning of cannabis as
a narcotic is based on anything in the real world.

We also used to call Columbus a hero explorer. We now teach our
children the truth.


              
Date: 01 Jan 2009 20:14:58
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...

"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org > wrote in message
news:qkrpl4h1uaqdum6rudpeagr337pouatn7t@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:52:42 -0800, "Clave"
> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>news:l4tol4ls2iu4ffqdjp0k0hc7pa6grfipcc@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:43:11 -0800, "Clave"
>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>You were just plain wrong, for fuck's sake. Man up, admit it and get on
>>>>with your life.
>>>>
>>>>Jim
>>>>
>>> You're an idiot. Grow up, for Christ's sake, and stop thinking you are
>>> cool simply because you can argue that a narcotic 'feels good', allowing
>>> for the psychoactive moniker.
>>>
>>> To me 'psychoactive' means mood altering...
>>
>>Right.
>>
>>Fuck the definition everyone else lives with.
>>
>>Jim
>>
> Said the retard that actually thinks the FDA positioning of cannabis as
> a narcotic is based on anything in the real world.

Oh, so now you're reduced to lying about what I've said.

Concession accepted.

Jim




       
Date: 30 Dec 2008 10:07:28
From: GreenDistantStar
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...


Archimedes' Lever wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
>> "Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>> news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
>>> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no small
>>>> part to the fact it's not
>>>> physically addictive.
>>>
>>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
>> Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing at all
>> to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>>
>> Jim
>>
> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact that
> the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
> other.
>
> In other words, ya dopey fuck, it can be one or the other, but it can't
> be both.

It also appears you are too dense to grasp the simple concept that just because a govt decides
something is illegal and should thus be restricted says NOTHING about the consequences of its use.

Psychoactive properties are absolutely relevant. Smoke a joint a day for 20 years and for the vast
majority, little damage will occur.

Dry dropping a trip a day for a month or so, and let us all know how that works out for ya.

GDS

"Let's roll!"


        
Date: 30 Dec 2008 20:46:46
From: Coffee's For Closers
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
In article <Apm6l.5791$cu.2138@news-server.bigpond.net.au >,
pde63539@bigpond.net.au says...


> Psychoactive properties are absolutely relevant.
> Smoke a joint a day for 20 years and for the vast
> majority, little damage will occur.


The long-term pot-head just doesn't NOTICE the damage, and
doesn't take responsibility for it. They also don't comprehend
the negative impact that their usage has on their interactions
with other people.

It's called, "denial."

I think that drugs should be legalised, and designated as a
health problem. But I still don't want to have any ongoing
interpersonal or business contact with frequent users.


--
Want Privacy?
http://www.MinistryOfPrivacy.com/


         
Date: 31 Dec 2008 06:29:32
From: GreenDistantStar
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...


Coffee's For Closers wrote:
> In article <Apm6l.5791$cu.2138@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> pde63539@bigpond.net.au says...
>
>
>> Psychoactive properties are absolutely relevant.
>> Smoke a joint a day for 20 years and for the vast
>> majority, little damage will occur.
>
>
> The long-term pot-head just doesn't NOTICE the damage,

Nor does the medical profession.

> and
> doesn't take responsibility for it.

There's scant evidence if any of long-term damage, and given the thousands of years cannabis has been
used, if there were gross damage, we'd have noticed it by now. Nothing to take responsibility for. Of
course you will get the odd dingbat that overdoes it, but you get that with every substance.

> They also don't comprehend
> the negative impact that their usage has on their interactions
> with other people.

I know people who've been casually smoking weed for decades, and they have wonderful families, hold
responsible jobs etc. The biggest danger with cannabis is getting busted,

> It's called, "denial."

It's called "you don't understand".

> I think that drugs should be legalised, and designated as a
> health problem.

Agreed, and if no issues exist, nothing to worry about.

> But I still don't want to have any ongoing
> interpersonal or business contact with frequent users.

You probably already do and simply don't know it.

I take it you have the same issues with those who drink alcohol and smoke tobacco?

GDS

"Let's roll!"


          
Date: 31 Dec 2008 22:35:52
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:29:32 GMT, GreenDistantStar
<pde63539@bigpond.net.au > wrote:

>
>I know people who've been casually smoking weed for decades, and they have wonderful families, hold
>responsible jobs etc. The biggest danger with cannabis is getting busted,


I make the world a safer place to be in at the job I have. I have been
a productive member of society for the last 35 years.

I am also quite adamant about the inebriant of choice I have decided
on.

The 'denial' idiot has issues with thinking he is better than someone
else. He doesn't even come close.


          
Date: 31 Dec 2008 22:32:34
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:29:32 GMT, GreenDistantStar
<pde63539@bigpond.net.au > wrote:

> Of
>course you will get the odd dingbat that overdoes it, but you get that with every substance.


If it take 2.5 Lbs of it to kill a rat, I'd say the weed didn't kill
the rat. The eating of it did.

The fact is that there is no LD-50 number for it.

My Guinnea Pig had the same problem back in the seventies when My
grandfather fed him a 1 Lb bowl of rabbit pellets. He ate till he choked
on it.


        
Date: 30 Dec 2008 04:23:53
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:07:28 GMT, GreenDistantStar
<pde63539@bigpond.net.au > wrote:

>Dry dropping a trip a day for a month or so, and let us all know how that works out for ya.
>
>GDS


Since a tolerance would be built up after the first day, all subsequent
days dosages would be of zero effect, both from the 'user's' perspective,
as well as whatever 'damage' you seem to think is taking place.


        
Date: 30 Dec 2008 04:35:59
From:
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:07:28 GMT, GreenDistantStar
<pde63539@bigpond.net.au > wrote:


>
>Psychoactive properties are absolutely relevant. Smoke a joint a day for 20 years and for the vast
>majority, little damage will occur.

uh, uhhhhhhhh, ummmmm, that's very true, I think. What were we
talking about?



         
Date: 31 Dec 2008 02:57:00
From: GreenDistantStar
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...


hal@nospam.com wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:07:28 GMT, GreenDistantStar
> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>
>> Psychoactive properties are absolutely relevant. Smoke a joint a day for 20 years and for the vast
>> majority, little damage will occur.
>
> uh, uhhhhhhhh, ummmmm, that's very true, I think. What were we
> talking about?


I dunno ; >)

GDS

"Let's roll!"


          
Date: 31 Dec 2008 03:56:19
From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
GreenDistantStar wrote:
>
>
> hal@nospam.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:07:28 GMT, GreenDistantStar
>> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Psychoactive properties are absolutely relevant. Smoke a joint a day
>>> for 20 years and for the vast majority, little damage will occur.
>>
>> uh, uhhhhhhhh, ummmmm, that's very true, I think. What were we
>> talking about?
>
>
> I dunno ;>)
>
> GDS
>
> "Let's roll!"

Anyone done a serious drugs thread here?

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff


         
Date: 30 Dec 2008 04:32:04
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 04:35:59 -0700, hal@nospam.com wrote:

>On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:07:28 GMT, GreenDistantStar
><pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Psychoactive properties are absolutely relevant. Smoke a joint a day for 20 years and for the vast
>>majority, little damage will occur.
>
>uh, uhhhhhhhh, ummmmm, that's very true, I think. What were we
>talking about?


Bwuahahahahahah!!.... cough... cough.... hahahahahha!!!!!


I think it had something to do with volatization temperatures...

How much heat in the middle east does it take to melt a 'Magic Negro'
before he even gets into office?... Wait... what were we talking
about?


        
Date: 30 Dec 2008 02:13:01
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
"GreenDistantStar" <pde63539@bigpond.net.au > wrote in message
news:Apm6l.5791$cu.2138@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>
> Archimedes' Lever wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>> news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
>>>> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no
>>>>> small part to the fact it's not
>>>>> physically addictive.
>>>>
>>>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
>>> Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing at
>>> all to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact that
>> the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
>> other.
>>
>> In other words, ya dopey fuck, it can be one or the other, but it can't
>> be both.
>
> It also appears you are too dense to grasp the simple concept that just
> because a govt decides something is illegal and should thus be restricted
> says NOTHING about the consequences of its use.
>
> Psychoactive properties are absolutely relevant. Smoke a joint a day for
> 20 years and for the vast majority, little damage will occur.
>
> Dry dropping a trip a day for a month or so, and let us all know how that
> works out for ya.

Seriously, I think he's stoned to the gills right now.

Jim




       
Date: 30 Dec 2008 02:06:34
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org > wrote in message
news:92sjl4dan6dtnfovbhtue8rljkpi56sljl@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
>>> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no
>>>>small
>>>>part to the fact it's not
>>>>physically addictive.
>>>
>>>
>>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
>>
>>Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing at
>>all
>>to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>>
>>Jim
>>
> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact that
> the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
> other.

Heh.

Where'd you get that idea, Peanut?

Jim




        
Date: 30 Dec 2008 04:21:56
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:06:34 -0800, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote:

>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>news:92sjl4dan6dtnfovbhtue8rljkpi56sljl@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
>>>> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no
>>>>>small
>>>>>part to the fact it's not
>>>>>physically addictive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
>>>
>>>Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing at
>>>all
>>>to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact that
>> the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
>> other.
>
>Heh.
>
>Where'd you get that idea, Peanut?
>
>Jim
>
That you are too stupid, or that the two are exclusive of each other?

Narcotic == narcosis

psychoactive == ACTIVE BRAIN

Pretty much opposites.


         
Date: 30 Dec 2008 20:05:43
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org > wrote in message
news:cg4kl4da9uhu9rkdbd9u6730g8vksh2d6o@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:06:34 -0800, "Clave"
> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>news:92sjl4dan6dtnfovbhtue8rljkpi56sljl@4ax.com...

<... >

>>> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact that
>>> the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
>>> other.
>>
>>Heh.
>>
>>Where'd you get that idea, Peanut?
>>
> That you are too stupid, or that the two are exclusive of each other?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoactive

Psychoactive drugs are often prescribed to manage pain. As the
subjective experience of pain is regulated by endorphins,
neurochemicals that are endogenous opioids, pain can be managed
using psychoactives that operate on this neurotransmitter system.
This class of drugs includes narcotics, like morphine and
codeine,[10] and also NSAIDs (which don't affect endorphins)
such as aspirin and ibuprofen.

HTH,
Jim




          
Date: 31 Dec 2008 05:43:37
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote

>>>> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact
>>>> that
>>>> the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
>>>> other.
>>>
>>>Heh.
>>>
>>>Where'd you get that idea, Peanut?
>>>
>> That you are too stupid, or that the two are exclusive of each other?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoactive
>
> Psychoactive drugs are often prescribed to manage pain. As the
> subjective experience of pain is regulated by endorphins,
> neurochemicals that are endogenous opioids, pain can be managed
> using psychoactives that operate on this neurotransmitter system.
> This class of drugs includes narcotics, like morphine and
> codeine,[10] and also NSAIDs (which don't affect endorphins)
> such as aspirin and ibuprofen.
>
> HTH,
> Jim

While you are "spot on" Jim, I don't think that the general public knew
that.

When classifying FDA drugs, most "Psychoactive" drugs are things are not
Schedule 2 narcotics (Opioids). Many of what the general public consider
psychoactive are things like Risperdal, Seroquel, Halcyon, Haldol, Lithium,
Thorazine, Clozapine.

The Schedule 2 drugs that I personally take are both considered
"psychoactive" but are used for pain management, they are Oxycontin and
Morphine. I also take Gabapentin (Neurontin) which is for my diabetic
neuropathy and general nerve pain, although not a Schedule 2 opioid, it has
many of the same effects and side effects.

Anti-anxiety drugs such as Alprazolam (xanax), Diazepam, Valium are also
"psychoactive" as they are often used with the above mentioned to control
schizoprenia and like disorders.

Other people when you say "psychoactive" think of things like SSRI's like
Zoloft, Celexa, Effexor, and those types which are generally, but not
exclusively used for clinical depression.

I'm TOO famililar (unfortunately) with some of the classifications of
pharma-drugs due to the sheer number of them that I take. Any drug that
blocks receptors in the brain to seratonin or endorphins or releases
seratonin or endorphins can be classified as "Pschoactive".


--
Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles




        
Date: 30 Dec 2008 10:47:21
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
news:sYGdnR4YX6Q2b8TUnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
> "Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
> news:92sjl4dan6dtnfovbhtue8rljkpi56sljl@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
>>>> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no
>>>>>small
>>>>>part to the fact it's not
>>>>>physically addictive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
>>>
>>>Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing at
>>>all
>>>to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact that
>> the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
>> other.
>
> Heh.
>
> Where'd you get that idea, Peanut?
>

Looks like he used what the words mean, shithead.

The term narcotic (??????????) is believed to have been coined by the Greek
physician Galen to refer to agents that benumb or deaden, causing loss of
feeling or paralysis. It is based on the Greek word ???????? (narcosis), the
term used by Hippocrates for the process of benumbing or the benumbed state.
Galen listed mandrake root, altercus (eclata)[1] seeds, and poppy juice
(opium) as the chief examples.[2][3]

In U.S. legal context, narcotic refers to opium, opium derivatives, and
their semi-synthetic or fully synthetic substitutes "as well as cocaine and
coca leaves," which although classified as "narcotics" in the U.S.
Controlled Substances Act (CSA), are chemically not narcotics. Contrary to
popular belief, marijuana is not a narcotic, nor are LSD and other
psychedelic drugs. Specifically, steroids are not narcotics.[4]

Cannabis, also known as marijuana[1] or marihuana,[2] or ganja (from
Hindi/Sanskrit: ????? ganja, hemp),[3] is a psychoactive drug extracted from
the plant Cannabis sativa, or more often, Cannabis sativa subsp. indica. The
herbal form of the drug consists of dried mature flowers and subtending
leaves of pistillate (female) plants. The resinous form, known as
hashish,[4] consists primarily of glandular trichomes collected from the
same plant material. The major biologically active chemical compound in
cannabis is ?9-tetrahydrocannabinol (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol), commonly
referred to as THC.


You EVER consider having a clue what the fuck you're talking about before
posting, Jimbo?




         
Date: 30 Dec 2008 19:52:14
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:Z_m6l.1933$BC4.1717@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:sYGdnR4YX6Q2b8TUnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>> "Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>> news:92sjl4dan6dtnfovbhtue8rljkpi56sljl@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>>news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
>>>>> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no
>>>>>>small
>>>>>>part to the fact it's not
>>>>>>physically addictive.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
>>>>
>>>>Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing at
>>>>all
>>>>to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>>>>
>>>>Jim
>>>>
>>> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact that
>>> the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
>>> other.
>>
>> Heh.
>>
>> Where'd you get that idea, Peanut?
>>
>
> Looks like he used what the words mean, shithead.

Psychoactives are a superset that include narcotics, dumbass.

Jim




          
Date: 31 Dec 2008 22:26:29
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:52:14 -0800, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote:

>"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:Z_m6l.1933$BC4.1717@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>
>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>> news:sYGdnR4YX6Q2b8TUnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>> "Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>> news:92sjl4dan6dtnfovbhtue8rljkpi56sljl@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>>>news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
>>>>>> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no
>>>>>>>small
>>>>>>>part to the fact it's not
>>>>>>>physically addictive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
>>>>>
>>>>>Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing at
>>>>>all
>>>>>to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim
>>>>>
>>>> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact that
>>>> the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
>>>> other.
>>>
>>> Heh.
>>>
>>> Where'd you get that idea, Peanut?
>>>
>>
>> Looks like he used what the words mean, shithead.
>
>Psychoactives are a superset that include narcotics, dumbass.
>
>Jim
>
'Narcotic' infers that it will induce a 'narcosis' on the person under
its influence.

Cannabis has no such quality.

'psychoactive' usually refers to the CONSCIOUS segment of a person's
experience with an inebriant, so including the family of narcotics under
'psychoactives' as a sub member of a class is a misnomer, at best.

Narcotics can have psychoactive elements in their 'action' on the user,
but most true narcotics have a depressive final action.

Depressant and Psychoactive are NOT in the same class.


           
Date: 31 Dec 2008 22:36:43
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org > wrote in message
news:28ool457p2u0no5hf55vhqc2vs99a5grd1@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:52:14 -0800, "Clave"
> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
>>"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>news:Z_m6l.1933$BC4.1717@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>>
>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>> news:sYGdnR4YX6Q2b8TUnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>>> "Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>> news:92sjl4dan6dtnfovbhtue8rljkpi56sljl@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
>>>>>>> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no
>>>>>>>>small
>>>>>>>>part to the fact it's not
>>>>>>>>physically addictive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing
>>>>>>at
>>>>>>all
>>>>>>to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact
>>>>> that
>>>>> the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
>>>>> other.
>>>>
>>>> Heh.
>>>>
>>>> Where'd you get that idea, Peanut?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Looks like he used what the words mean, shithead.
>>
>>Psychoactives are a superset that include narcotics, dumbass.
>>
>>Jim
>>
> 'Narcotic' infers that it will induce a 'narcosis' on the person under
> its influence.
>
> Cannabis has no such quality.

I wasn't talking about cannabis, I was talking about your silly blanket
assertion that "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive, which
of course they aren't.

Jim




            
Date: 31 Dec 2008 23:45:00
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:36:43 -0800, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote:

>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>news:28ool457p2u0no5hf55vhqc2vs99a5grd1@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:52:14 -0800, "Clave"
>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>news:Z_m6l.1933$BC4.1717@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:sYGdnR4YX6Q2b8TUnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>>>> "Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>>> news:92sjl4dan6dtnfovbhtue8rljkpi56sljl@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
>>>>>>>> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no
>>>>>>>>>small
>>>>>>>>>part to the fact it's not
>>>>>>>>>physically addictive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing
>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>all
>>>>>>>to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
>>>>>> other.
>>>>>
>>>>> Heh.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where'd you get that idea, Peanut?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Looks like he used what the words mean, shithead.
>>>
>>>Psychoactives are a superset that include narcotics, dumbass.
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>> 'Narcotic' infers that it will induce a 'narcosis' on the person under
>> its influence.
>>
>> Cannabis has no such quality.
>
>I wasn't talking about cannabis, I was talking about your silly blanket
>assertion that "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive, which
>of course they aren't.
>
>Jim
>

Sure they are.


             
Date: 31 Dec 2008 23:59:42
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org > wrote in message
news:d3tol4tfgjg87glodpvdqmb3vh7k5nterl@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:36:43 -0800, "Clave"
> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>news:28ool457p2u0no5hf55vhqc2vs99a5grd1@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:52:14 -0800, "Clave"
>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:Z_m6l.1933$BC4.1717@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:sYGdnR4YX6Q2b8TUnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>>>>> "Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:92sjl4dan6dtnfovbhtue8rljkpi56sljl@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in
>>>>>>>>message
>>>>>>>>news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
>>>>>>>>> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in
>>>>>>>>>>no
>>>>>>>>>>small
>>>>>>>>>>part to the fact it's not
>>>>>>>>>>physically addictive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing
>>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>all
>>>>>>>>to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of
>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>> other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Heh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where'd you get that idea, Peanut?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like he used what the words mean, shithead.
>>>>
>>>>Psychoactives are a superset that include narcotics, dumbass.
>>>>
>>>>Jim
>>>>
>>> 'Narcotic' infers that it will induce a 'narcosis' on the person under
>>> its influence.
>>>
>>> Cannabis has no such quality.
>>
>>I wasn't talking about cannabis, I was talking about your silly blanket
>>assertion that "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive, which
>>of course they aren't.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>
> Sure they are.

Wow.

Most people who have their noses rubbed in their mistakes like that either
admit it and move on, or run away as if it never happened.

Not you.

Not you, you fucking moron.

Some kind soul please alert me if this pothead burnout ever posts something
intelligent.

PLONK




              
Date: 01 Jan 2009 12:32:33
From: Corbomite Carrie
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:59:42 -0800, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote:

>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>news:d3tol4tfgjg87glodpvdqmb3vh7k5nterl@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:36:43 -0800, "Clave"
>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>news:28ool457p2u0no5hf55vhqc2vs99a5grd1@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:52:14 -0800, "Clave"
>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:Z_m6l.1933$BC4.1717@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:sYGdnR4YX6Q2b8TUnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>>>>>> "Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:92sjl4dan6dtnfovbhtue8rljkpi56sljl@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>message
>>>>>>>>>news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
>>>>>>>>>> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in
>>>>>>>>>>>no
>>>>>>>>>>>small
>>>>>>>>>>>part to the fact it's not
>>>>>>>>>>>physically addictive.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing
>>>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>>all
>>>>>>>>>to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Jim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of
>>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>>> other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Heh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where'd you get that idea, Peanut?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like he used what the words mean, shithead.
>>>>>
>>>>>Psychoactives are a superset that include narcotics, dumbass.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim
>>>>>
>>>> 'Narcotic' infers that it will induce a 'narcosis' on the person under
>>>> its influence.
>>>>
>>>> Cannabis has no such quality.
>>>
>>>I wasn't talking about cannabis, I was talking about your silly blanket
>>>assertion that "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive, which
>>>of course they aren't.
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>
>> Sure they are.
>
>Wow.
>
>Most people who have their noses rubbed in their mistakes like that either
>admit it and move on, or run away as if it never happened.

You're an idiot.
>
>Not you.

You're a goddamned idiot.

>Not you, you fucking moron.

You're a goddamned total retard.

>Some kind soul please alert me if this pothead burnout ever posts something
>intelligent.


Wait a minute... wait for it... You're a fucked in the head, holier
than thou retarded little piece of shit who's mother should be in prison
for not flushing the piece of shit that you are, the moment she shat you
from the ass of the piece of shit that she is.

>
>PLONK
>
Goddamned retards that make filter file edit announcements are the most
retarded dumbfucks in all of Usenet. You are one such retard.


               
Date: 02 Jan 2009 09:19:08
From: Pomegranate Bastard
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 12:32:33 -0800, Corbomite Carrie
<Corbomite@maneuver.org > wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:59:42 -0800, "Clave"
><ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>news:d3tol4tfgjg87glodpvdqmb3vh7k5nterl@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:36:43 -0800, "Clave"
>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>>news:28ool457p2u0no5hf55vhqc2vs99a5grd1@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:52:14 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:Z_m6l.1933$BC4.1717@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:sYGdnR4YX6Q2b8TUnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>>>>>>> "Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:92sjl4dan6dtnfovbhtue8rljkpi56sljl@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>message
>>>>>>>>>>news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
>>>>>>>>>>> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in
>>>>>>>>>>>>no
>>>>>>>>>>>>small
>>>>>>>>>>>>part to the fact it's not
>>>>>>>>>>>>physically addictive.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing
>>>>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>>>all
>>>>>>>>>>to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Jim
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of
>>>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>>>> other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Heh.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where'd you get that idea, Peanut?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks like he used what the words mean, shithead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Psychoactives are a superset that include narcotics, dumbass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>> 'Narcotic' infers that it will induce a 'narcosis' on the person under
>>>>> its influence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cannabis has no such quality.
>>>>
>>>>I wasn't talking about cannabis, I was talking about your silly blanket
>>>>assertion that "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive, which
>>>>of course they aren't.
>>>>
>>>>Jim
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sure they are.
>>
>>Wow.
>>
>>Most people who have their noses rubbed in their mistakes like that either
>>admit it and move on, or run away as if it never happened.
>
> You're an idiot.
>>
>>Not you.
>
> You're a goddamned idiot.
>
>>Not you, you fucking moron.
>
> You're a goddamned total retard.
>
>>Some kind soul please alert me if this pothead burnout ever posts something
>>intelligent.
>
>
> Wait a minute... wait for it... You're a fucked in the head, holier
>than thou retarded little piece of shit who's mother should be in prison
>for not flushing the piece of shit that you are, the moment she shat you
>from the ass of the piece of shit that she is.
>
>>
>>PLONK
>>
> Goddamned retards that make filter file edit announcements are the most
>retarded dumbfucks in all of Usenet. You are one such retard.

It's apparent that there's an abnormally high number of occurrences of
the word "shit" in many of your posts.

Can it be inferred that coprophilia should be added to the long list
of your wierd hangups?

Pommy B


                
Date: 02 Jan 2009 06:47:26
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 09:19:08 +0000, Pomegranate Bastard
<pommy.bastard@aol.com > wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 12:32:33 -0800, Corbomite Carrie
><Corbomite@maneuver.org> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:59:42 -0800, "Clave"
>><ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>news:d3tol4tfgjg87glodpvdqmb3vh7k5nterl@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:36:43 -0800, "Clave"
>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>>>news:28ool457p2u0no5hf55vhqc2vs99a5grd1@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:52:14 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:Z_m6l.1933$BC4.1717@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:sYGdnR4YX6Q2b8TUnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>>>>>>>> "Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:92sjl4dan6dtnfovbhtue8rljkpi56sljl@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>>>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>message
>>>>>>>>>>>news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
>>>>>>>>>>>> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>small
>>>>>>>>>>>>>part to the fact it's not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>physically addictive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>>>>all
>>>>>>>>>>>to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Jim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of
>>>>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>>>>> other.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Heh.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where'd you get that idea, Peanut?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looks like he used what the words mean, shithead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Psychoactives are a superset that include narcotics, dumbass.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Narcotic' infers that it will induce a 'narcosis' on the person under
>>>>>> its influence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cannabis has no such quality.
>>>>>
>>>>>I wasn't talking about cannabis, I was talking about your silly blanket
>>>>>assertion that "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive, which
>>>>>of course they aren't.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sure they are.
>>>
>>>Wow.
>>>
>>>Most people who have their noses rubbed in their mistakes like that either
>>>admit it and move on, or run away as if it never happened.
>>
>> You're an idiot.
>>>
>>>Not you.
>>
>> You're a goddamned idiot.
>>
>>>Not you, you fucking moron.
>>
>> You're a goddamned total retard.
>>
>>>Some kind soul please alert me if this pothead burnout ever posts something
>>>intelligent.
>>
>>
>> Wait a minute... wait for it... You're a fucked in the head, holier
>>than thou retarded little piece of shit who's mother should be in prison
>>for not flushing the piece of shit that you are, the moment she shat you
>>from the ass of the piece of shit that she is.
>>
>>>
>>>PLONK
>>>
>> Goddamned retards that make filter file edit announcements are the most
>>retarded dumbfucks in all of Usenet. You are one such retard.
>
>It's apparent that there's an abnormally high number of occurrences of
>the word "shit" in many of your posts.
>
>Can it be inferred that coprophilia should be added to the long list
>of your wierd hangups?
>
>Pommy B

You obviously have no clue what corBomite is, you retarded fuck.

Maybe you should start by learning how to read.

Maybe you should learn to use google properly.

Maybe you should stop stalking the posts of people you have issues
with.

Maybe you should find a tall bridge and jump off of it. Want some
help?


           
Date: 01 Jan 2009 06:33:45
From: BRUCE
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
ALL DRUGS ARE BAD

"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org > wrote in message
news:28ool457p2u0no5hf55vhqc2vs99a5grd1@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:52:14 -0800, "Clave"
> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
>>"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>news:Z_m6l.1933$BC4.1717@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>>
>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>> news:sYGdnR4YX6Q2b8TUnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>>> "Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>> news:92sjl4dan6dtnfovbhtue8rljkpi56sljl@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
>>>>>>> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no
>>>>>>>>small
>>>>>>>>part to the fact it's not
>>>>>>>>physically addictive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing
>>>>>>at
>>>>>>all
>>>>>>to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact
>>>>> that
>>>>> the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
>>>>> other.
>>>>
>>>> Heh.
>>>>
>>>> Where'd you get that idea, Peanut?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Looks like he used what the words mean, shithead.
>>
>>Psychoactives are a superset that include narcotics, dumbass.
>>
>>Jim
>>
> 'Narcotic' infers that it will induce a 'narcosis' on the person under
> its influence.
>
> Cannabis has no such quality.
>
> 'psychoactive' usually refers to the CONSCIOUS segment of a person's
> experience with an inebriant, so including the family of narcotics under
> 'psychoactives' as a sub member of a class is a misnomer, at best.
>
> Narcotics can have psychoactive elements in their 'action' on the user,
> but most true narcotics have a depressive final action.
>
> Depressant and Psychoactive are NOT in the same class.




            
Date: 31 Dec 2008 23:44:22
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 06:33:45 GMT, "BRUCE" <BRUCE@notreplyhere.com > wrote:

>ALL DRUGS ARE BAD


All top posters are total Usenet retards.

Humans self inebriate. They have for thousands of years. They will
for thousands of years to come.

Dopes like you are a bigger hindrance and danger to civil society than
those that self inebriate.


            
Date: 01 Jan 2009 01:01:57
From: Stanley Moore
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...

"BRUCE" <BRUCE@notreplyhere.com > wrote in message
news:495c63c8@news.comindico.com.au...
> ALL DRUGS ARE BAD
>

Not all.... I am being kept healthy and alive by
Crestor
Actos
Ziac
Aspirin
Januvia
and Metformin

My Mother's last days were eased by morphine and similar medications.

Take care
--
Stanley L. Moore
"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad




          
Date: 31 Dec 2008 14:07:46
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
news:t56dnScV4KLzccfUnZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Z_m6l.1933$BC4.1717@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>
>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>> news:sYGdnR4YX6Q2b8TUnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>> "Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>> news:92sjl4dan6dtnfovbhtue8rljkpi56sljl@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>>>news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
>>>>>> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no
>>>>>>>small
>>>>>>>part to the fact it's not
>>>>>>>physically addictive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
>>>>>
>>>>>Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing at
>>>>>all
>>>>>to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim
>>>>>
>>>> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact
>>>> that
>>>> the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
>>>> other.
>>>
>>> Heh.
>>>
>>> Where'd you get that idea, Peanut?
>>>
>>
>> Looks like he used what the words mean, shithead.
>
> Psychoactives are a superset that include narcotics, dumbass.
Not, shithead, according to the definitions cited previously.

WHY, shit for brains, do you constantly snip all the evidence that shows
you're a shithead without even token attempts at refutation?





           
Date: 31 Dec 2008 16:46:43
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...

"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:S0L6l.2241$Es4.2148@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:t56dnScV4KLzccfUnZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:Z_m6l.1933$BC4.1717@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>>
>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>> news:sYGdnR4YX6Q2b8TUnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>>> "Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>> news:92sjl4dan6dtnfovbhtue8rljkpi56sljl@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
>>>>>>> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in no
>>>>>>>>small
>>>>>>>>part to the fact it's not
>>>>>>>>physically addictive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing
>>>>>>at all
>>>>>>to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact
>>>>> that
>>>>> the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of each
>>>>> other.
>>>>
>>>> Heh.
>>>>
>>>> Where'd you get that idea, Peanut?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Looks like he used what the words mean, shithead.
>>
>> Psychoactives are a superset that include narcotics, dumbass.
>
> Not, shithead, according to the incomplete or incorrect definitions cited
> previously.

FYP.

HTH,
Jim






            
Date: 01 Jan 2009 03:37:31
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: Talking about dope now, boys...

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
news:eomdnaTAM7juj8HUnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>
> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:S0L6l.2241$Es4.2148@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>>
>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>> news:t56dnScV4KLzccfUnZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Z_m6l.1933$BC4.1717@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:sYGdnR4YX6Q2b8TUnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>>>> "Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>>> news:92sjl4dan6dtnfovbhtue8rljkpi56sljl@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:47:27 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:cuqjl4h2l1uvdrsmufnk8c6as3j5tucflv@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:56:11 GMT, GreenDistantStar
>>>>>>>> <pde63539@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hospitals certainly aren't full of recovering pot addicts, due in
>>>>>>>>>no small
>>>>>>>>>part to the fact it's not
>>>>>>>>>physically addictive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why then is it on schedule 1 as a narcotic?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Various pulp and textile concerns, mostly. All political -- nothing
>>>>>>>at all
>>>>>>>to do with its actual psychoactive properties.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It appears that you too are too fucking stupid to discern the fact
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the terms "narcotic" and "psychoactive" are mutually exclusive of
>>>>>> each
>>>>>> other.
>>>>>
>>>>> Heh.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where'd you get that idea, Peanut?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Looks like he used what the words mean, shithead.
>>>
>>> Psychoactives are a superset that include narcotics, dumbass.
>>
>> Not, shithead, according to the accurate definitions from Wikipedia, the
>> same source you're claiming, except you're too stupid to see that>
>
>
>




  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 10:29:48
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
Darn Good Intelligence wrote:
> On 27 Dec, 21:35, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>> Oh fuck off. The Palestinians could have had their own country in the 1990s
>> if they'd wanted it. When Clinton held the Camp David meetings Israel
>> offered Arafat his own country.
>
> This thread is full of such nonsense I don't know where to start.

When they had it ALL- prior to 1967, no jew could go to the western
wall, to pray. No jews lived in any of the 80% of the lands that are
biblical lands, judenrein. Judea and Samaria, nor the golan, nor gaza.

All judenrein. So your friends attacked with the mandate to slaughter
the jews and throw them into the sea.

No palestinian nation, because it was a ruse to 'invent' a peoples that
didn't exist- the palestinians were jews- arabs thought of themselves as
arabs and part of great Syria.

And they lost. And they wanted annihilation. They they laid out the plan
to take back as much as they could to make a weakened Israel so they
could destroy the rest. Ho hum. They arabs such sweet thinkers and of
course muslims worldwide have shown just how homicidal the ideations
are, in thirty other nations on their 'borders'. They claim India this
week. India. Or didn't you read any of the attacks worldwide by muslims
upon infidels.

Mark


 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 03:32:18
From: Darn Good Intelligence
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On 28 Dec, 01:22, Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com >
wrote:

> Despite the fact that you are not very tactful, I tend to agree. Human
> history _has been_ just as you say.

So by this logic the law of the jungle applies: whoever is strongest
gets to keep their territorial gains made through conquest? Wonder if
you would still believe in this if someone could take some Israeli
land through force? Typical Zionist horseshit: the right to take land
by force applies to Jews but not to anyone else.


>But to suggest that everyone
> must stay home and that all movement of populations is illigitmate
> does have us all back in East Africa.

Yet the movement of Jews to Palestine in order to create a Jewish
state their could not have occured without massive expense to the
indigenous Arabs who were by 2/3 the majority in Palestine in 1947.
What you are claiming would have been legitimate had the Zionists been
attempting to colonize an uninhabited territory. This was not the
case. The Jewish majority state was only achieved due to the exodus of
700,000 Palestinian Arabs who were frightened/forced into fleeing
during the course of the 1947-1948 war. This wasn't a "movement of
population" as you claim but an expulsion without which a Jewish state
in all of Palestine could not have been formed.




  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 06:22:41
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

"Darn Good Intelligence" <waynetv50@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:79247639-3ccd-4647-be1f-b02d8422760b@35g2000pry.googlegroups.com...

> land through force? Typical Zionist horseshit: the right to take land
> by force applies to Jews but not to anyone else.
>

Typical anti-Semitic horseshit: you do know that Hitler lost the war, right?




  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 06:57:29
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 03:32:18 -0800 (PST), Darn Good Intelligence
<waynetv50@yahoo.com > wrote:

>On 28 Dec, 01:22, Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com>
>wrote:

>> Despite the fact that you are not very tactful, I tend to agree. Human
>> history _has been_ just as you say.

>So by this logic the law of the jungle applies: whoever is strongest
>gets to keep their territorial gains made through conquest? Wonder if
>you would still believe in this if someone could take some Israeli
>land through force? Typical Zionist horseshit: the right to take land
>by force applies to Jews but not to anyone else.

I trust you'll be going to Texas soon to protest its annexation and
demand that it be given back to the Mexicans, and for that matter, the
rest of the country be given back to the Indians. Perhaps you can go
to Scandinavia and demand that chunks of Norway, Finland, Sweden, and
Russia be given back to the Samis. And Australia to be given back to
the aborigines. Etc. etc. etc. The only thing unique about Israel's
war of conquest is its recency. Regardless of its origin, it is a
recognized sovereign nation at this point and there would be no more
justification for dissolving it than dissolving the United States.


 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 03:24:34
From: Darn Good Intelligence
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On 28 Dec, 01:02, Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com >
wrote:

> By the way, where was all this Palestinian nationalism when the Turks
> were treating them like dogfood? Where was all this resistance when
> the Brits were treating them slightly better? There WASN'T any because
> there has never been a Palestinian nation. Not that there are not
> legitimate grievances against Israel but not in the name of the naiton
> that never existed.

Zionist bullshit. What matters is legal ownership of the land:

By 1943 the Jews owned only 1,514,247 dunums of the total 26,184,702
dunums of Palestine land. Arab and non-Jewish ownership of Palestine
land was 24,670,455 dunums.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine




  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 10:20:05
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
Darn Good Intelligence wrote:
> On 28 Dec, 01:02, Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com>
> wrote:
>
>> By the way, where was all this Palestinian nationalism when the Turks
>> were treating them like dogfood? Where was all this resistance when
>> the Brits were treating them slightly better? There WASN'T any because
>> there has never been a Palestinian nation. Not that there are not
>> legitimate grievances against Israel but not in the name of the naiton
>> that never existed.
>
> Zionist bullshit. What matters is legal ownership of the land:
>

Oh really? You mean when the arabs were imploring Hitler to annihilate
all the jews in 'Palestine' ( they tried to build a concentration camp
in 'Palestine' which was burned down ) it was a land deal?

zion is jerusalem, and zionist is one who recognizes the only peoples
who ever had ownership, capital, nation, and peoples there, and who
claimed no other. On the other hand your victims have crusaded across
the globe claiming ownership everywhere. Legal ownership? They claim
onwership of the world and slaughter to claim it.

Mark


  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 06:16:52
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

"Darn Good Intelligence" <waynetv50@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:f93d2d4b-2b37-42fc-80b6-a5b8288c2244@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
> Zionist bullshit. What matters is legal ownership of the land:
>

So if China and the Saudi\UAE morons come over here and buy 90% of the land
they get clear tittle to the constitution? Idiot.




 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 03:22:44
From: Darn Good Intelligence
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On 28 Dec, 00:46, Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com >
wrote:

> Hamas was elected while running on the policy of war with Israel. The
> rocket attacks are part of that war and the Israeli attacks are part
> of that war. In other words, the voters got what they wanted. Now they
> don't like it.

And Israel doesn't unlawfully kill Palestinian civillians?

Israel: Impunity for unlawful killings of demonstrators by police

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/MDE15/005/2008/en

Amnesty slams Israel's 'unlawful acts'

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1148287847064&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

'Unlawful killing' of Gaza Briton

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4896800.stm

UNLAWFUL KILLINGS DURING OPERATION "GRAPES OF WRATH"

http://www.islamawareness.net/Persecution/Israel/a_intern.html

Amnesty: Threefold increase in killings of Palestinians by IDF in 2006

http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3403555,00.html

Amnesty slams Israel 'war crimes'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4580139.stm



 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 03:21:32
From: Darn Good Intelligence
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On 28 Dec, 00:32, John Larkin
<jjSNIPlar...@highTHISlandtechnology.com > wrote:

> Palestine shouldn't exist.

Why? Why can't they have their own state in the W Bank and Gaza which
the International Court of Justice and the entire international
community bar Israel recognizes is land that belongs to the
Palestinians? In its 2004 advisory report on the conflict, the ICJ
repeatedly refers to the W Bank and Gaza as OPT - Occupied Palestinian
Territory. That land legally and morally belongs to Palestinians and
they have a right to self-determination and statehood on that land.

> Personally, I always side with civilization.

Yes and Israel's unlawful killings, as reported by respected human
rights groups such as Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and
B'T Selem, really mark it out as being "civillized" doesn't it?

Israel: Impunity for unlawful killings of demonstrators by police

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/MDE15/005/2008/en

Amnesty slams Israel's 'unlawful acts'

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1148287847064&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

'Unlawful killing' of Gaza Briton

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4896800.stm

UNLAWFUL KILLINGS DURING OPERATION "GRAPES OF WRATH"

http://www.islamawareness.net/Persecution/Israel/a_intern.html

Amnesty: Threefold increase in killings of Palestinians by IDF in 2006

http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3403555,00.html

Amnesty slams Israel 'war crimes'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4580139.stm



  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 14:33:03
From: John Larkin
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 03:21:32 -0800 (PST), Darn Good Intelligence
<waynetv50@yahoo.com > wrote:

>On 28 Dec, 00:32, John Larkin
><jjSNIPlar...@highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>
>> Palestine shouldn't exist.
>
>Why? Why can't they have their own state in the W Bank and Gaza which
>the International Court of Justice and the entire international
>community bar Israel recognizes is land that belongs to the
>Palestinians? In its 2004 advisory report on the conflict, the ICJ
>repeatedly refers to the W Bank and Gaza as OPT - Occupied Palestinian
>Territory. That land legally and morally belongs to Palestinians and
>they have a right to self-determination and statehood on that land.

They are a disorganized rabble, busy fighting among themselves as much
as fighting Israel. If they want a state, they should declare one...
goodness knows they've had a zillion opportunities to do so.


>
>> Personally, I always side with civilization.
>
>Yes and Israel's unlawful killings, as reported by respected human
>rights groups such as Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and
>B'T Selem, really mark it out as being "civillized" doesn't it?

Fire rockets at me and I'll do what it takes to stop you,
"International Law" be damned.

Israel has the power, the money, the technology, the organization, and
the guts to defend itself. The palestinians have none of the above.
I'm not a great fan of either party, but that's the reality.

John




   
Date: 28 Dec 2008 16:11:56
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 14:33:03 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com > wrote:


>>Yes and Israel's unlawful killings, as reported by respected human
>>rights groups such as Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and
>>B'T Selem, really mark it out as being "civillized" doesn't it?
>
>Fire rockets at me and I'll do what it takes to stop you,
>"International Law" be damned.

a few extremists fire a few rockets into Israel so then the Israelis
murder hundreds of innocent women and children. Sounds a lot like the
Nazis in WWII.

>
>Israel has the power, the money, the technology, the organization, and
>the guts to defend itself. The palestinians have none of the above.
>I'm not a great fan of either party, but that's the reality.

The Israelis have nothing we don't send them. We give them two
billion dollars a year and all the military technology we can send
them thanks to the Jewish lobby in America. Basically we pay Israelis
to murder Arabs. Could be because they own our banking system.

>
>John
>


    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 17:08:35
From: StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:11:56 -0700, hal@nospam.com wrote:

>
>The Israelis have nothing we don't send them. We give them two
>billion dollars a year and all the military technology we can send
>them thanks to the Jewish lobby in America.


Wrong. We deign things, and they design things, as do ALL of our other
ALLIES. Maybe one day, you can become smart enough to be able to look
that word up, and perhaps even grasp its meaning.

As for the $2B, ANY and ALL monies the USA gives to a foreign ally
nation MUST BE SPENT HERE ON US MADE PRODUCTS. That is why they have OUR
technology, you stupid twit, and it boosts OUR economy.

Ally nations assist each other because that is what allies do, dipshit.

Your brain has nothing some lame twit propagandized news source hasn't
contorted into it. Someone could give you billions of dollars and you
still couldn't buy away the stupid that you are.

It has not a goddamned thing to do with ANY lobby, you stupid little
bastard.


     
Date: 28 Dec 2008 19:12:50
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:08:35 -0800, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
<Zarathustra@thusspoke.org > wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:11:56 -0700, hal@nospam.com wrote:
>
>>
>>The Israelis have nothing we don't send them. We give them two
>>billion dollars a year and all the military technology we can send
>>them thanks to the Jewish lobby in America.
>
>
> Wrong. We deign things, and they design things, as do ALL of our other
>ALLIES. Maybe one day, you can become smart enough to be able to look
>that word up, and perhaps even grasp its meaning.
>
> As for the $2B, ANY and ALL monies the USA gives to a foreign ally
>nation MUST BE SPENT HERE ON US MADE PRODUCTS. That is why they have OUR
>technology, you stupid twit, and it boosts OUR economy.
>
> Ally nations assist each other because that is what allies do, dipshit.
>
> Your brain has nothing some lame twit propagandized news source hasn't
>contorted into it. Someone could give you billions of dollars and you
>still couldn't buy away the stupid that you are.
>
> It has not a goddamned thing to do with ANY lobby, you stupid little
>bastard.

you're dumb as a post, assfuck.

http://www.rense.com/general27/jlobby.htm


    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 17:01:11
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:11:56 -0700, hal@nospam.com wrote:

> Sounds a lot like the
>Nazis in WWII.


You're a goddamned retard.


    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 17:00:39
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:11:56 -0700, hal@nospam.com wrote:

>
>a few extremists fire a few rockets into Israel so then the Israelis
>murder hundreds of innocent women and children.

You're full of shit.


    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 15:37:14
From: John Larkin
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:11:56 -0700, hal@nospam.com wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 14:33:03 -0800, John Larkin
><jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>Yes and Israel's unlawful killings, as reported by respected human
>>>rights groups such as Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and
>>>B'T Selem, really mark it out as being "civillized" doesn't it?
>>
>>Fire rockets at me and I'll do what it takes to stop you,
>>"International Law" be damned.
>
>a few extremists fire a few rockets into Israel so then the Israelis
>murder hundreds of innocent women and children. Sounds a lot like the
>Nazis in WWII.

Hamas deliberately puts missile launchers and other assets in civilian
neighborhoods. They are into martyrdom, especially somebody else's.

I think polygamy is the origin of the whole martyrdom thing. Old farts
have an interest in making young men horny and eventually dead. Simple
biology.

John




  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 10:32:17
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
Darn Good Intelligence wrote:
> On 28 Dec, 00:32, John Larkin
> <jjSNIPlar...@highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>
>> Palestine shouldn't exist.
>
> Why? Why can't they have their own state in the W Bank and Gaza which
> the International Court of Justice and the entire international
> community bar Israel recognizes is land that belongs to the
> Palestinians?
Because when they had it all... there were no jews there. None. It was
judenrein. And they then tried to kill them all with the orders to
annihilate them.

So it's all a ruse to do it and destroy them and all Israel, as clearly
stated in the history and goals of Islamic dominion. And supported by
the left and others who want to be the last eaten by the alligator.

Mark


 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 03:11:55
From: Darn Good Intelligence
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On 27 Dec, 21:49, Mark Goldberg <msgoldb...@optonline.net > wrote:

> No, you are incorrect. It is in fact much simpler. The 'arabs' lived in
> the lands as invaders from many different parts, and no nation, no
> national language, no nation state, no currency existed. The land was
> 'palestine' named after the jews 500 yrs before a muslim ever existed.

Horseshit and irrelevant anyway. What matters is legal ownership of
the land and the Palestinian Arabs were by far the majority owners
under the British Mandate for Palestine. By 1943 the Jews owned only
1,514,247 dunums of the total 26,184,702 dunums of Palestine land.
Arab and non-Jewish ownership of Palestine land was 24,670,455 dunums.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine

What matters is legal ownership of the land not your bullshit Zionist
propaganda about "Palestine never existed".

> Note the 'bible' speaks not of anything but jews, and Israel... as the
> 'only' land they were to be granted. The arabs were the crusaders across
> all the lands they left out of arabia from. They were the crusaders, and
> so delineated the world as their's. That is religious decree... unto
> destroying others if they resist.

Why is this nonsense more important than who legally owned the land
and were the majority inhabitants?

> Now... as far as gaza is concerned- the jews walked away- stupily- and
> said, here's your land, leave us in peace and this year 2000 rockets
> were fired out during the 'truce'

Yeah the rocket attacks that have killed 15 people in 9 years? Israel
kills 15 Palestinians in 5 minutes.

> A truce in Islamic terms means to consent to a form of quiet, until they
> are strong enought to break the truce. They never stopped. In fact if
> you look around the globe, there are wars on about 25 other nations
> borders, where islam borders the 'infidels'.
>
> The fact, the simple fact is this: the muslim, Islam is incensed because
> by their decree, no non muslim can ever own any land they'ver ever trod
> upon. Now that is totalitarianism and so demonstrated by homicidism, and
> the belief that only that attains the 'highest' heavenly reward. That is
> one reason, a muslim with a straight face told me, that the phrase
> 'peace be upon him' is uttered about Mo'. He didn't get to die
> slaughtering an infidel so he was not with that highest honor. Rather
> funny if horrifying to hear the clown iterate so.
>
> As for stolen lands... the jews were the only owners

Horseshit see earlier comments.





 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 23:20:50
From: alien8er
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 27, 5:22=A0pm, Will in New Haven
<bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com > wrote:
> On Dec 27, 8:12 pm, alien8er <Alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 27, 4:52 pm, Will in New Haven
>
> > <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
> > > On Dec 27, 4:19 pm, HardySpicer <gyansor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Dec 28, 10:13 am, John Larkin
>
> > > > <jjSNIPlar...@highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:32:19 -0800 (PST),
>
> > > > > wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > >The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ'=
s
> > > > > >birthday:
>
> > > > > >http://news.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/abc/world/contentposting.aspx?i=
sfa=3D1...
>
> > > > > >At least 155 die as Israel launches air strikes on Gaza
>
> > > > > >The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke=
rose
> > > > > >above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at l=
east
> > > > > >155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
> > > > > >Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destr=
oyed.
> > > > > >Israel Army Radio said at least 40 targets were hit.
>
> > > > > >Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber=
,
> > > > > >witnesses said.
>
> > > > > >The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several=
more
> > > > > >waves followed.
>
> > > > > >Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through=
the
> > > > > >streets and women frantically looked for their children.
>
> > > > > The equation is simple: don't fire rockets into our cities, and w=
e
> > > > > won't bomb yours.
>
> > > > > John
>
> > > > a bit more complicated though isn't it? Suppose the Germans had
> > > > invaded England and Wales and all the English were pushed back into
> > > > Wales to live. I expect a good few of them would send a few rockets
> > > > over the border to show them that the English were not really
> > > > defeated. Likewise, the land the Israelis occupy is Arab land thoug=
h
> > > > of course it was shared thousands of years ago by both. Hence many =
of
> > > > the people in Gaza had land which was stolen by the Jews. Solution =
-
> > > > pay reparations for the land the jews stole - far cheaper than F16
> > > > jets in the long run and the bad press.
>
> > > Reparations for individual land ownership are not an unreasonable
> > > thought. That would be especially true if the Arab countries would
> > > make restitution for all the property they stole when they expelled
> > > their Jewish populations. Not that they all expelled all their Jews
> > > but Iraq, for one, expelled huge numbers, most of whom were not
> > > Zionists. And these people, by and large, were allowed to take their
> > > clothing and that was about it. Sort of the way some Palestinians wer=
e
> > > treated.
>
> > > The idea that this was "Arab land" is debatable. There were people
> > > there before the Arabs boiled out of the penninsula during the first
> > > Jihad. Palestinians are not, by and large, descended from the Arabs
> > > but from the people, mostly Christian, who were already there. So it
> > > was "Muslim land" and the inhabitants spoke Arabic but they were more
> > > closely related to the Jews than to Arabs.
>
> > > But whatever their ethnicity, there are people with legitimate claims
> > > to property within Isreal.
>
> > =A0 That last bit is a load of Liberal crap- you are assuming some sort
> > of local equivalent to a Government-operated land office which has the
> > authority to write and enforce land deeds, but there is no such thing
> > that operates across national borders, mainly because most of the
> > nations involved do not recognize the legitimacy of at least one of
> > the other participants. The last attempt at that was when Britain drew
> > lines on a map after WWII, and look how well that turned out.
>
> > =A0 All of which is really beside the basic, brutal truth; land belongs
> > to them that can hold it, period. It should be obvious to even the
> > stupidest Muslim that even if they manage to "push Israel into the
> > sea", they'll gain nothing but glazed, radioactive sand for their
> > trouble.
>
> > =A0 If you'd rather talk about "Homelands", that's equal crap. All six-
> > plus billion of us would have to crowd into Olduvai Gorge.
>
> Despite the fact that you are not very tactful, I tend to agree. Human
> history _has been_ just as you say. Today, it is possible that we can
> do better and stop the cycle of conquest. But to suggest that everyone
> must stay home and that all movement of populations is illigitmate
> does have us all back in East Africa.

I prefer to cut past the crap; tact tends to extend the misery IME.

The cycle of conquest will not end as long as people keep saying
things like "there are people with legitimate claims to property
within Israel" with a straight face.

And no, movement of populations is entirely legitimate. Fatuous
bullshit about "ancestral homelands' just sets my teeth on edge
because nobody who uses the phrase ever mentions a timeframe, which is
exactly relevant to what you write:

> Even Native Americans, who have some very good cases against my
> country, have to admit that they weren't staying home and leaving each
> other alone before the Europeans got here. No Lakota saw the Black
> Hills before the Eighteenth Century and the Commanche conquered the
> south plains after getting horses and leaving the Rocky Mountains.

But we're not supposed to talk about that. Nor are we supposed to
mention that they're no more or less "Native" to this continent than I
am; I was born here too, and their ancestors didn't come from here any
more than mine did; they can go a little farther back is the only
difference.

> But everyone wants to go back to whatever situation works best for
> them. It's only natural.

And that, exactly, is the problem; what one group calls "best" is
not the same for another.


Mark L. Fergerson


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 20:02:39
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and

"Jerry B. Altzman" <jbaltz@altzman.com > wrote in message news:foC5l.
1447$Es4.251@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> on 12/27/2008 3:59 PM rigger said the following:
>> But Israel was stupid in ever leaving Gaza. They actually thought
>> it would lower tensions but the pigs of Hamas didn't see it that way.
>> They deserve everything they get.
>
> Spending all that energy to protect 1000 Israelis against 2 million
> Palestinians...the math doesn't work out.
> Israel tried to give Gaza to Egypt in the peace accords in '77 (I
> believe) and Egypt *didn't want it*.
>
> One wonders why.
>


Mmmmmm......... Let me give you an analogy: What say I rob a Wal-Mart
store and give you their parking lot in exchange for a night with your
daughter?





  
Date: 29 Dec 2008 02:36:04
From: Jerry B. Altzman
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
on 12/27/2008 11:02 PM wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com said the following:
> Mmmmmm......... Let me give you an analogy: What say I rob a Wal-Mart
> store and give you their parking lot in exchange for a night with your
> daughter?

Dude, share the stuff you've been smoking. It must be pretty good;
you're totally incoherent.

Besides: I have no interest in your daughter; I've heard she's had more
rubbers in her than a city bus on a rainy day.

//jbaltz
--
jerry b. altzman jbaltz@altzman.com www.jbaltz.com
thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe.


  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 11:21:51
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:02:39 -0800 (PST),
wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com wrote:

>
>"Jerry B. Altzman" <jbaltz@altzman.com> wrote in message news:foC5l.
>1447$Es4.251@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>> on 12/27/2008 3:59 PM rigger said the following:
>>> But Israel was stupid in ever leaving Gaza. They actually thought
>>> it would lower tensions but the pigs of Hamas didn't see it that way.
>>> They deserve everything they get.
>>
>> Spending all that energy to protect 1000 Israelis against 2 million
>> Palestinians...the math doesn't work out.
>> Israel tried to give Gaza to Egypt in the peace accords in '77 (I
>> believe) and Egypt *didn't want it*.
>>
>> One wonders why.
>>
>
>
>Mmmmmm......... Let me give you an analogy: What say I rob a Wal-Mart
>store and give you their parking lot in exchange for a night with your
>daughter?
>

So what's the going price in the underground economy for a stolen
Walmart parking lot?

Maybe a smart operator could make a whole lot of money selling it back
to Walmart.

If it's only worth a night with someone's skanky daughter, forget
about it.


  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 04:11:26
From: GreenDistantStar
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and


wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com wrote:
> "Jerry B. Altzman" <jbaltz@altzman.com> wrote in message news:foC5l.
> 1447$Es4.251@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>> on 12/27/2008 3:59 PM rigger said the following:
>>> But Israel was stupid in ever leaving Gaza. They actually thought
>>> it would lower tensions but the pigs of Hamas didn't see it that way.
>>> They deserve everything they get.
>> Spending all that energy to protect 1000 Israelis against 2 million
>> Palestinians...the math doesn't work out.
>> Israel tried to give Gaza to Egypt in the peace accords in '77 (I
>> believe) and Egypt *didn't want it*.
>>
>> One wonders why.
>>
>
>
> Mmmmmm......... Let me give you an analogy: What say I rob a Wal-Mart
> store and give you their parking lot in exchange for a night with your
> daughter?

How many spaces in the parking lot?

GDS

"Let's roll!"


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 19:34:13
From: djinn
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 28, 8:54=A0am, Will in New Haven
<bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com > wrote:
> On Dec 27, 5:10 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Mark Goldberg" <msgoldb...@optonline.net> wrote in message news:
>
> > 4956a3c9$0$4877$607ed...@cv.net...
>
> > > n...@bid.nes wrote:
> > >> On Dec 27, 10:32 am, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>> The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
> > >>> birthday:
>
> > >> =A0 Um, let's see... Jews, Xtian holiday...
>
> > >> =A0 Yep, you're an idiot.
>
> > >> =A0 Mark L. Fergerson
> > > You guys from the other newsgroups that 'wannabe' the RMA nazi and
> > > marxist drooler, dragged you into his thread, definitely have sharp
> > > analytical skills. You got right to the idiot part without hesitation=
.
>
> > > You guys are a breathe of fresh air :^)
>
> > > Mark
>
> > You guys might not know that Mark Goldberg is a MOSSAD sleeper in New
> > Jersey. However, he has a love-hate relations with the Palestinians
> > because his gay lovers are Hamas and PLO members.
>
> > Mark Goldberg was allegedly seen siiting in a park across the river
> > with a silly grin on his face before the first plane hit the Tower.
>
> Your mother was allegedly a female human being.
>
> But I have my doubts.
>
Funny, even in crossposted groups people start nailing Wannabe's
mom....



 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 17:22:26
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 27, 8:12 pm, alien8er <Alien8...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Dec 27, 4:52 pm, Will in New Haven
>
>
>
> <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 27, 4:19 pm, HardySpicer <gyansor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 28, 10:13 am, John Larkin
>
> > > <jjSNIPlar...@highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:32:19 -0800 (PST),
>
> > > > wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > >The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
> > > > >birthday:
>
> > > > >http://news.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/abc/world/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1...
>
> > > > >At least 155 die as Israel launches air strikes on Gaza
>
> > > > >The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke rose
> > > > >above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
> > > > >155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
> > > > >Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed.
> > > > >Israel Army Radio said at least 40 targets were hit.
>
> > > > >Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber,
> > > > >witnesses said.
>
> > > > >The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several more
> > > > >waves followed.
>
> > > > >Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through the
> > > > >streets and women frantically looked for their children.
>
> > > > The equation is simple: don't fire rockets into our cities, and we
> > > > won't bomb yours.
>
> > > > John
>
> > > a bit more complicated though isn't it? Suppose the Germans had
> > > invaded England and Wales and all the English were pushed back into
> > > Wales to live. I expect a good few of them would send a few rockets
> > > over the border to show them that the English were not really
> > > defeated. Likewise, the land the Israelis occupy is Arab land though
> > > of course it was shared thousands of years ago by both. Hence many of
> > > the people in Gaza had land which was stolen by the Jews. Solution -
> > > pay reparations for the land the jews stole - far cheaper than F16
> > > jets in the long run and the bad press.
>
> > Reparations for individual land ownership are not an unreasonable
> > thought. That would be especially true if the Arab countries would
> > make restitution for all the property they stole when they expelled
> > their Jewish populations. Not that they all expelled all their Jews
> > but Iraq, for one, expelled huge numbers, most of whom were not
> > Zionists. And these people, by and large, were allowed to take their
> > clothing and that was about it. Sort of the way some Palestinians were
> > treated.
>
> > The idea that this was "Arab land" is debatable. There were people
> > there before the Arabs boiled out of the penninsula during the first
> > Jihad. Palestinians are not, by and large, descended from the Arabs
> > but from the people, mostly Christian, who were already there. So it
> > was "Muslim land" and the inhabitants spoke Arabic but they were more
> > closely related to the Jews than to Arabs.
>
> > But whatever their ethnicity, there are people with legitimate claims
> > to property within Isreal.
>
> That last bit is a load of Liberal crap- you are assuming some sort
> of local equivalent to a Government-operated land office which has the
> authority to write and enforce land deeds, but there is no such thing
> that operates across national borders, mainly because most of the
> nations involved do not recognize the legitimacy of at least one of
> the other participants. The last attempt at that was when Britain drew
> lines on a map after WWII, and look how well that turned out.
>
> All of which is really beside the basic, brutal truth; land belongs
> to them that can hold it, period. It should be obvious to even the
> stupidest Muslim that even if they manage to "push Israel into the
> sea", they'll gain nothing but glazed, radioactive sand for their
> trouble.
>
> If you'd rather talk about "Homelands", that's equal crap. All six-
> plus billion of us would have to crowd into Olduvai Gorge.

Despite the fact that you are not very tactful, I tend to agree. Human
history _has been_ just as you say. Today, it is possible that we can
do better and stop the cycle of conquest. But to suggest that everyone
must stay home and that all movement of populations is illigitmate
does have us all back in East Africa.

Even Native Americans, who have some very good cases against my
country, have to admit that they weren't staying home and leaving each
other alone before the Europeans got here. No Lakota saw the Black
Hills before the Eighteenth Century and the Commanche conquered the
south plains after getting horses and leaving the Rocky Mountains.

But everyone wants to go back to whatever situation works best for
them. It's only natural.

--
Will in New Haven


  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 11:28:07
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:22:26 -0800 (PST), Will in New Haven
<bill.reich@taylorandfrancis.com > wrote:

>On Dec 27, 8:12 pm, alien8er <Alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 27, 4:52 pm, Will in New Haven
>>
-----------------------------------------------------------
>But everyone wants to go back to whatever situation works best for
>them. It's only natural.

True.

Someone needs to clue the people ruling Gaza that lobbing rockets into
Israel doesn't work out very well.



 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 17:16:02
From: alien8er
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 27, 2:20=A0pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
> "n...@bid.nes" <Alien8...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:
>
> 6b0d68e5-8ac0-4d4e-b59d-cbd9121b1...@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 27, 12:12 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:

> >> The Israelis should at least respect the fact that the Son of God was
> >> born as a Jew. It was His birthday, for crying out loud.
>
> > =A0 Why should they? It doesn't apply to their worldview _or_ to that o=
f
> > the "Palestinians". It's the habit of imposing one's superstitions on
> > others that causes much of the trouble in this world. Why don't you
> > stop?
>
> What? =A0You want me to risk eternal damnation and burn in fiery hell?

See, that's exactly what I was talking about. You Xtians, the
Zionist Jews, and the "evangelical" Muslims are all the same;
constantly focused on your superstitions and constantly assuming
everyone else is too, or ought to be. Well, I'm not, I'm focused on
having a life that doesn't involve focusing on imposing pain and
suffering on some hate target. For all I care all of you can carry
your fight straight to your dearly beloved place of eternal damnation*
right now and leave the rest of us the FUCK alone.

* You must love it because you all talk about it constantly.


Mark L. Fergerson


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 17:12:15
From: alien8er
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 27, 4:52=A0pm, Will in New Haven
<bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com > wrote:
> On Dec 27, 4:19 pm, HardySpicer <gyansor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 28, 10:13 am, John Larkin
>
> > <jjSNIPlar...@highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote:
> > > On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:32:19 -0800 (PST),
>
> > > wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > >The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
> > > >birthday:
>
> > > >http://news.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/abc/world/contentposting.aspx?isfa=
=3D1...
>
> > > >At least 155 die as Israel launches air strikes on Gaza
>
> > > >The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke ros=
e
> > > >above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
> > > >155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
> > > >Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed=
.
> > > >Israel Army Radio said at least 40 targets were hit.
>
> > > >Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber,
> > > >witnesses said.
>
> > > >The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several mor=
e
> > > >waves followed.
>
> > > >Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through the
> > > >streets and women frantically looked for their children.
>
> > > The equation is simple: don't fire rockets into our cities, and we
> > > won't bomb yours.
>
> > > John
>
> > a bit more complicated though isn't it? Suppose the Germans had
> > invaded England and Wales and all the English were pushed back into
> > Wales to live. I expect a good few of them would send a few rockets
> > over the border to show them that the English were not really
> > defeated. Likewise, the land the Israelis occupy is Arab land though
> > of course it was shared thousands of years ago by both. Hence many of
> > the people in Gaza had land which was stolen by the Jews. Solution -
> > pay reparations for the land the jews stole - far cheaper than F16
> > jets in the long run and the bad press.
>
> Reparations for individual land ownership are not an unreasonable
> thought. That would be especially true if the Arab countries would
> make restitution for all the property they stole when they expelled
> their Jewish populations. Not that they all expelled all their Jews
> but Iraq, for one, expelled huge numbers, most of whom were not
> Zionists. And these people, by and large, were allowed to take their
> clothing and that was about it. Sort of the way some Palestinians were
> treated.
>
> The idea that this was "Arab land" is debatable. There were people
> there before the Arabs boiled out of the penninsula during the first
> Jihad. Palestinians are not, by and large, descended from the Arabs
> but from the people, mostly Christian, who were already there. So it
> was "Muslim land" and the inhabitants spoke Arabic but they were more
> closely related to the Jews than to Arabs.
>
> But whatever their ethnicity, there are people with legitimate claims
> to property within Isreal.

That last bit is a load of Liberal crap- you are assuming some sort
of local equivalent to a Government-operated land office which has the
authority to write and enforce land deeds, but there is no such thing
that operates across national borders, mainly because most of the
nations involved do not recognize the legitimacy of at least one of
the other participants. The last attempt at that was when Britain drew
lines on a map after WWII, and look how well that turned out.

All of which is really beside the basic, brutal truth; land belongs
to them that can hold it, period. It should be obvious to even the
stupidest Muslim that even if they manage to "push Israel into the
sea", they'll gain nothing but glazed, radioactive sand for their
trouble.

If you'd rather talk about "Homelands", that's equal crap. All six-
plus billion of us would have to crowd into Olduvai Gorge.


Mark L. Fergerson


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 17:02:16
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 27, 6:04 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
> "Mark Goldberg" <msgoldb...@optonline.net> wrote in message news:
>
> 4956ac44$0$20284$607ed...@cv.net...
>
>
>
> > They allowed for crucifixion of infidels.....
>
> What's wrong with that? Crucifixion has been the law of the land since
> the Roman days.

It has never been Sharia or Jewish law. I am shocked that Hamas even
_mentioned_ it. The fucking TURKS didn't crucify people, although they
could be pretty harsh.

By the way, where was all this Palestinian nationalism when the Turks
were treating them like dogfood? Where was all this resistance when
the Brits were treating them slightly better? There WASN'T any because
there has never been a Palestinian nation. Not that there are not
legitimate grievances against Israel but not in the name of the naiton
that never existed.

Islamicists are prone to treating local Christians pretty much the way
they please. Despite the fact that the Koran makes it _seem_ unlikely
that they would mistreat peaceful Christians (or Jews) in their midst,
they have often been able to get a tame cleric to issue a decree that
they could do what they wanted. For instance, the Muslim Brotherhood
got a decree that they could rob Coptic Christians in Egypt during the
Fifties when they needed the funds.

The Palestinian resistance to Isreal used to have quite a few secular
and Christian leaders. Hamas and its ilk have gotten rid of them one
way or another.

--
Will in New Haven
>
> You might crucify you next time you rendezvous with your Palestinian
> gay lover when you visit Israel. They don't like gay Jews that much.



 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 16:54:10
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 27, 5:10 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
> "Mark Goldberg" <msgoldb...@optonline.net> wrote in message news:
>
> 4956a3c9$0$4877$607ed...@cv.net...
>
>
>
> > n...@bid.nes wrote:
> >> On Dec 27, 10:32 am, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
> >>> birthday:
>
> >> Um, let's see... Jews, Xtian holiday...
>
> >> Yep, you're an idiot.
>
> >> Mark L. Fergerson
> > You guys from the other newsgroups that 'wannabe' the RMA nazi and
> > marxist drooler, dragged you into his thread, definitely have sharp
> > analytical skills. You got right to the idiot part without hesitation.
>
> > You guys are a breathe of fresh air :^)
>
> > Mark
>
> You guys might not know that Mark Goldberg is a MOSSAD sleeper in New
> Jersey. However, he has a love-hate relations with the Palestinians
> because his gay lovers are Hamas and PLO members.
>
> Mark Goldberg was allegedly seen siiting in a park across the river
> with a silly grin on his face before the first plane hit the Tower.


Your mother was allegedly a female human being.

But I have my doubts.

--
Will in New Haven


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 16:52:00
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 27, 4:19 pm, HardySpicer <gyansor...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Dec 28, 10:13 am, John Larkin
>
>
>
> <jjSNIPlar...@highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:32:19 -0800 (PST),
>
> > wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > >The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
> > >birthday:
>
> > >http://news.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/abc/world/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1...
>
> > >At least 155 die as Israel launches air strikes on Gaza
>
> > >The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke rose
> > >above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
> > >155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
> > >Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed.
> > >Israel Army Radio said at least 40 targets were hit.
>
> > >Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber,
> > >witnesses said.
>
> > >The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several more
> > >waves followed.
>
> > >Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through the
> > >streets and women frantically looked for their children.
>
> > The equation is simple: don't fire rockets into our cities, and we
> > won't bomb yours.
>
> > John
>
> a bit more complicated though isn't it? Suppose the Germans had
> invaded England and Wales and all the English were pushed back into
> Wales to live. I expect a good few of them would send a few rockets
> over the border to show them that the English were not really
> defeated. Likewise, the land the Israelis occupy is Arab land though
> of course it was shared thousands of years ago by both. Hence many of
> the people in Gaza had land which was stolen by the Jews. Solution -
> pay reparations for the land the jews stole - far cheaper than F16
> jets in the long run and the bad press.
>
Reparations for individual land ownership are not an unreasonable
thought. That would be especially true if the Arab countries would
make restitution for all the property they stole when they expelled
their Jewish populations. Not that they all expelled all their Jews
but Iraq, for one, expelled huge numbers, most of whom were not
Zionists. And these people, by and large, were allowed to take their
clothing and that was about it. Sort of the way some Palestinians were
treated.

The idea that this was "Arab land" is debatable. There were people
there before the Arabs boiled out of the penninsula during the first
Jihad. Palestinians are not, by and large, descended from the Arabs
but from the people, mostly Christian, who were already there. So it
was "Muslim land" and the inhabitants spoke Arabic but they were more
closely related to the Jews than to Arabs.

But whatever their ethnicity, there are people with legitimate claims
to property within Isreal.

--
Will in New Haven


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 16:46:02
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 27, 3:11 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
> "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:%hv5l.
>
> 9772$as4.2...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
>
>
> > Maybe the Israelis wanted to strike back at Hamas for all those rocket
> > attacks
>
> Hamas is the democratically elected party. And those rocket attacks
> were retaliation by civilians for previous Israeli air strikes.

Hamas was elected while running on the policy of war with Israel. The
rocket attacks are part of that war and the Israeli attacks are part
of that war. In other words, the voters got what they wanted. Now they
don't like it. Well, I wouldn't like it either. But that's what they
voted for. A party that ran on the policy of "We can hit Isreal but
they can't hit back" would have been promising what they could not
deliver. This would not be a new thing for politicians.

--
Will in New Haven


>
> > before "retreat-and-surrender-Obama" becomes commander in chief.
>
> You mean righting the wrong? The illegal Iraq invasion was proven to
> have been started on a lie. Saddam had no ties to 9/11 and there were
> no WMD. In fact, Saddam didn't even like OBL.



  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 16:11:02
From: Gernot Hassenpflug
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
Will in New Haven <bill.reich@taylorandfrancis.com > writes:

> On Dec 27, 3:11 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>> "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:%hv5l.
>>
>> 9772$as4.2...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Maybe the Israelis wanted to strike back at Hamas for all those rocket
>> > attacks
>>
>> Hamas is the democratically elected party. And those rocket attacks
>> were retaliation by civilians for previous Israeli air strikes.
>
> Hamas was elected while running on the policy of war with Israel. The
> rocket attacks are part of that war and the Israeli attacks are part
> of that war. In other words, the voters got what they wanted. Now they
> don't like it. Well, I wouldn't like it either. But that's what they
> voted for. A party that ran on the policy of "We can hit Isreal but
> they can't hit back" would have been promising what they could not
> deliver. This would not be a new thing for politicians.

I gotta say, for RMA this is a new one: poster with skills :-)

--
BOFH excuse #314:

You need to upgrade your VESA local bus to a MasterCard local bus.


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 16:06:45
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and

> Give me you address and I can Google up satellite images of you home
> too. Does that mean you are engaging in illegal activities just
> because I can show satellite images of your home?
>
> You are so STOOoooOOPID =A0!!!!- Hide quoted text -

Soo sorry I over-estimated your ability to read!!!




 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 18:01:51
From: bub
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:32:19 -0800 (PST),
wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com wrote:

>The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
>birthday:

jewish people celebrating jesus christ's birthday?

you can't make this shit up.


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 15:51:30
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 27, 6:08=A0pm, joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Dec 27, 3:11=A0pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:%hv5l.
>
> > 9772$as4.2...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> > > Maybe the Israelis wanted to strike back at Hamas for all those rocke=
t
> > > attacks
>
> > Hamas is the democratically elected party. And those rocket attacks
> > were retaliation by civilians for previous Israeli air strikes.
>
> > > before "retreat-and-surrender-Obama" becomes commander in chief.
>
> > You mean righting the wrong? The illegal Iraq invasion was proven to
> > have been started on a lie. Saddam had no ties to 9/11 and there were
> > no WMD. In fact, Saddam didn't even like OBL.
>
> Who was it proven by??
> =A0Read this real slow and observe the links. There was satellite images
> way back then!! =A0 =A0http://www.isis-online.org/publications/iraq/tuwai=
tha.html- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Soo sorry I over-estimated your ability to read!!


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 15:38:02
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and

"joeturn" <joeturn2000@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:855658da-
cf76-4113-899b-04b814256518@e18g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 27, 3:11 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
> "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:%hv5l.
>
> 9772$as4.2...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
>
>
> > Maybe the Israelis wanted to strike back at Hamas for all those rocket
> > attacks
>
> Hamas is the democratically elected party. And those rocket attacks
> were retaliation by civilians for previous Israeli air strikes.
>
> > before "retreat-and-surrender-Obama" becomes commander in chief.
>
> You mean righting the wrong? The illegal Iraq invasion was proven to
> have been started on a lie. Saddam had no ties to 9/11 and there were
> no WMD. In fact, Saddam didn't even like OBL.

Who was it proven by??
Read this real slow and observe the links. There was satellite images
way back then!! http://www.isis-online.org/publications/iraq/tuwaitha.html


You are an idiot. All the link showing is satellite images of
building. There is no proof of the story about those building.

Give me you address and I can Google up satellite images of you home
too. Does that mean you are engaging in illegal activities just
because I can show satellite images of your home?

You are so STOOoooOOPID !!!!





 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 15:08:00
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 27, 3:11=A0pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
> "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:%hv5l.
>
> 9772$as4.2...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
>
>
> > Maybe the Israelis wanted to strike back at Hamas for all those rocket
> > attacks
>
> Hamas is the democratically elected party. And those rocket attacks
> were retaliation by civilians for previous Israeli air strikes.
>
> > before "retreat-and-surrender-Obama" becomes commander in chief.
>
> You mean righting the wrong? The illegal Iraq invasion was proven to
> have been started on a lie. Saddam had no ties to 9/11 and there were
> no WMD. In fact, Saddam didn't even like OBL.

Who was it proven by??
Read this real slow and observe the links. There was satellite images
way back then!! http://www.isis-online.org/publications/iraq/tuwaitha.ht=
ml


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 15:04:08
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and

"Mark Goldberg" <msgoldberg@optonline.net > wrote in message news:
4956ac44$0$20284$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
>
> They allowed for crucifixion of infidels.....


What's wrong with that? Crucifixion has been the law of the land since
the Roman days.

You might crucify you next time you rendezvous with your Palestinian
gay lover when you visit Israel. They don't like gay Jews that much.





  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 18:44:37
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com wrote:
> "Mark Goldberg" <msgoldberg@optonline.net> wrote in message news:
> 4956ac44$0$20284$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>
>> They allowed for crucifixion of infidels.....
>
>
> What's wrong with that? Crucifixion has been the law of the land since
> the Roman days.
>
> You might crucify you next time you rendezvous with your Palestinian
> gay lover when you visit Israel. They don't like gay Jews that much.

Others will note your gutter crawling expressions of your homosexual
affections. I'll like the professionals assess that one.

The fact that you can't even feel for others who are put under the evil
dominion of tyrannical muslims who enact laws of crucifiction for
infidel 'crimes' shows the depth of your own gutless addiction to
dictatorial slaughter of 'infidels.

I'll let others in this thread explain what a sicko marxist looney loser
you are.

And as for 'what's wrong with that' about 'crucifiction'?.... well
creepy hoo asshole licker that you are, you eat brown so you might have
problems getting your head out of others rears, let alone your own....

Just reading you makes people feel the need for a hot shower to scrub
the filth off them... what a pus bag you are.

Let other's render their opinions. You sick gutless nobody.

Mark


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 14:58:17
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 27, 2:24=A0pm, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> <wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cb935c91-a427-4681-ac62-063babf29c8e@q30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
> > birthday:
>
> >http://news.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/abc/world/contentposting.aspx?isfa=3D1.=
..
>
> > At least 155 die as Israel launches air strikes on Gaza
>
> > The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke rose
> > above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
> > 155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
> > Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed.
> > Israel Army Radio said at least 40 targets were hit.
>
> > Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber,
> > witnesses said.
>
> > The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several more
> > waves followed.
>
> > Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through the
> > streets and women frantically looked for their children.
>
> Maybe the Israelis wanted to strike back at Hamas for all those rocket
> attacks before "retreat-and-surrender-Obama" becomes commander in chief.
>
> Irish Mike- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I thought they were going to impeach him at his inaugural ball???


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 14:45:15
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message news:9Lx5l.
11857$be.8518@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
>
>
> My philosophy is clear and applies equally to all races, religions and
> nationalities. If you are America's enemy, and you are killing Americans, I
> want you dead and the sooner you get that way the better I like it.
>
>


You should kill yourself. Your stupidity is America's enemy.




  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 00:18:09
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

<wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:914ee044-3061-4d1d-8c0f-cafca99f5176@r2g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>
> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:9Lx5l.
> 11857$be.8518@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> My philosophy is clear and applies equally to all races, religions and
>> nationalities. If you are America's enemy, and you are killing
>> Americans, I
>> want you dead and the sooner you get that way the better I like it.
>>
>>
>
>
> You should kill yourself. Your stupidity is America's enemy.

No bucko, I'll leave the suicide to and your nut case muslim buddies. But,
in the standard islamic tradition, be sure to look for some women, children
and unarmed civilians to take with you. The world knows you don't have the
balls for a stand up fight with the Israelis.

Irish Mike




   
Date: 28 Dec 2008 11:13:07
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 00:18:09 -0500, "Irish Mike"
<mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote:

>
><wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:914ee044-3061-4d1d-8c0f-cafca99f5176@r2g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:9Lx5l.
>> 11857$be.8518@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My philosophy is clear and applies equally to all races, religions and
>>> nationalities. If you are America's enemy, and you are killing
>>> Americans, I
>>> want you dead and the sooner you get that way the better I like it.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> You should kill yourself. Your stupidity is America's enemy.
>
>No bucko, I'll leave the suicide to and your nut case muslim buddies. But,
>in the standard islamic tradition, be sure to look for some women, children
>and unarmed civilians to take with you. The world knows you don't have the
>balls for a stand up fight with the Israelis.

the best thing that could happen to this world is someone turns Israel
into a glass parking lot

>
>Irish Mike
>


    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 15:15:06
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
hal@nospam.com wrote:

>
> the best thing that could happen to this world is someone turns Israel
> into a glass parking lot

And to those reading this marxist guy, also with an affection for nazi
goals and ideology, welcome to hal, and his next holocaust

Mark


  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 17:58:38
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com wrote:
> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:9Lx5l.
> 11857$be.8518@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>>
>> My philosophy is clear and applies equally to all races, religions and
>> nationalities. If you are America's enemy, and you are killing Americans, I
>> want you dead and the sooner you get that way the better I like it.
>>
>>
>
>
> You should kill yourself. Your stupidity is America's enemy.
>
>
No ...Dirtbag nazi and marxist sociopath of RMA.
You should indeed be the one to put yourself in one of those ovens you
coveted, for others.

Others should google his posts to see if I'm being harsh here... this is
one sick ugly puppy

Mark


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 14:20:32
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and

"nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com > wrote in message news:
6b0d68e5-8ac0-4d4e-b59d-cbd9121b1f09@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 27, 12:12 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> The Israelis should at least respect the fact that the Son of God was
>> born as a Jew. It was His birthday, for crying out loud.
>
> Why should they? It doesn't apply to their worldview _or_ to that of
> the "Palestinians". It's the habit of imposing one's superstitions on
> others that causes much of the trouble in this world. Why don't you
> stop?


What? You want me to risk eternal damnation and burn in fiery hell?




 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 14:10:58
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and

"Mark Goldberg" <msgoldberg@optonline.net > wrote in message news:
4956a3c9$0$4877$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> nuny@bid.nes wrote:
>> On Dec 27, 10:32 am, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
>>> birthday:
>>
>> Um, let's see... Jews, Xtian holiday...
>>
>> Yep, you're an idiot.
>>
>>
>> Mark L. Fergerson
> You guys from the other newsgroups that 'wannabe' the RMA nazi and
> marxist drooler, dragged you into his thread, definitely have sharp
> analytical skills. You got right to the idiot part without hesitation.
>
> You guys are a breathe of fresh air :^)
>
> Mark


You guys might not know that Mark Goldberg is a MOSSAD sleeper in New
Jersey. However, he has a love-hate relations with the Palestinians
because his gay lovers are Hamas and PLO members.

Mark Goldberg was allegedly seen siiting in a park across the river
with a silly grin on his face before the first plane hit the Tower.




  
Date: 29 Dec 2008 07:17:30
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 28, 11:56 pm, "Neverchop" <neverc...@lotto.com > wrote:
> "Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>
> news:et9gl4d7j6vlvmqa8usmfthq8664p3c9vh@4ax.com...
>
> > On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:23:19 -0600, "Neverchop" <neverc...@lotto.com>
> > wrote:
> > >wouldn't have to put up with his crap now. I say kill you all and let God
> > >sort it out. So FUCK YOU ASSHOLE.
>
> > Shouldn't your nym then be "alwayschop"? :-]
>
> > Chop, chop, old chap.
>
> Heh, chop is a poker term for either splitting a pot or the prize money at
> the final table in a poker tournament. You get no choice in the first
> instance but I Neverchop a final table - no matter what

I get SICK of players whining for a chop but sometimes the blinds and
antes reach a point where there are no more poker decisions to be
made. You wouldn't chop in such a case?

--
Will in New Haven


. I'm over here on
> RGP responding to the result of some crossposting cocksucker of a neo-nazi
> ('s) BS. But in essence you are correct. Then again, BANG - BANG would work
> too. Same difference - the cocksucking nazi dies which is about all they
> ever did. Sonsofbitches.
>
> It's funny how you never here from the cocksucking punk bitches out on the
> street. They wouldn't know balls if they had a pair of their own. But up
> here on the usenet these little cocksucking punk bitches are everywhere.
> Well, them and what passes for today's cocksucking communist punk bitches.
> You never see those little faggots out there neither. Bunch of cocksucking
> pussies.



  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 17:29:24
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com wrote:

>
> You guys might not know that Mark Goldberg is a MOSSAD sleeper in New
> Jersey. However, he has a love-hate relations with the Palestinians
> because his gay lovers are Hamas and PLO members.
>
> Mark Goldberg was allegedly seen siiting in a park across the river
> with a silly grin on his face before the first plane hit the Tower.
>
>
You're a sociopath who crawls around RMA with your marxist, and Nazi
glorifications, your jew hatred, your reveling in your homosexual
droolings and desires, and the love of destruction of the west.

They picked up on you right out of the gate.

And by the way-the muslim assault upon christians in their lands in
Iraq, Iran, Philipines, Indonesia, Nigeria, Kenya, Israel, the so-called
PLO, Gaza is horrendous of course, right now.

In fact, the Hamas, for whom you wailed because they just got punched
back in the nose just passed a law. Well, a series of Sharia laws just
this week. Do you know what they passed.

They allowed for crucifixion of infidels..... do you get that you slimy
gutless bastard hate freak?

No... but the otherydo. The others almost entirely seem to have picked
up on the rat that is You.

You are one slimy deranged hatefreak.

Mark


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 14:08:19
From: nuny@bid.nes
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 27, 12:12=A0pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
> "n...@bid.nes" <Alien8...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1c1faea3-
>
> e737-4ba8-849b-

> > =A0Um, let's see... Jews, Xtian holiday...
>
> > =A0Yep, you're an idiot.
>
> The Israelis should at least respect the fact that the Son of God was
> born as a Jew. It was His birthday, for crying out loud.

Why should they? It doesn't apply to their worldview _or_ to that of
the "Palestinians". It's the habit of imposing one's superstitions on
others that causes much of the trouble in this world. Why don't you
stop?


Mark L. Fergerson


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 13:51:10
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and

"number6" <snumber6@aol.com > wrote in message news:a690e083-785d-492f-
aa0f-6c91165c584d@e25g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 27, 3:11 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Hamas is the democratically elected party. And those rocket attacks
>> were retaliation by civilians for previous Israeli air strikes.
>
> OH Bullfucking shit ... The local 7-11 sells them ??? Your propaganda
> has no validity whatsoever ... none ... Lying sacks of murderous
> bastards ... you understand that ... All are lying sacks of murderous
> bastards ... full of hate bias and venom ... and you are their
> advocate ... congratualtions ... enjoy their bombings of innocents ...
> enjoy their terrorism ... back their cause and put on a vest
> yourself ... Allah wants that ... and I do too ...

Oh, please! You are foaming at the corners of your mouth. Get help.
Rabies can kill you.



>>
>> You mean righting the wrong? The illegal Iraq invasion was proven to
>> have been started on a lie. Saddam had no ties to 9/11 and there were
>> no WMD. In fact, Saddam didn't even like OBL.

> Saddam was in constant violation of the cease fire from the first Gulf
> War ... nothing else was needed ... There indeed were WMD ... ask the
> Kurds ... ask the Shiites in Basra ... ask chemical Ali ... oh he's
> executed so you can't ... The fact that his WMD program was in
> disarray - and kept secretly so enemies would still fear him wasn't
> good enough to keep us from kicking his ass out of power and letting
> the Iraqis execute the despicable son of a bitch ...


You have been living under a rock:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/
CIA=92s final report: No WMD found in Iraq


> Take your hatred of Jews to your local brown shirt rally ... bigoted
> bastard ...


So they invented this word :anti-Semitic", so that anyone who speak up
against Israel's wrong doing is a Jew-hater?










  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 17:12:24
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

<wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:65a74a31-c5ab-45a8-8c12-81d8b0fec89f@q36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...

"number6" <snumber6@aol.com > wrote in message news:a690e083-785d-492f-
aa0f-6c91165c584d@e25g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 27, 3:11 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Hamas is the democratically elected party. And those rocket attacks
>> were retaliation by civilians for previous Israeli air strikes.
>
> OH Bullfucking shit ... The local 7-11 sells them ??? Your propaganda
> has no validity whatsoever ... none ... Lying sacks of murderous
> bastards ... you understand that ... All are lying sacks of murderous
> bastards ... full of hate bias and venom ... and you are their
> advocate ... congratualtions ... enjoy their bombings of innocents ...
> enjoy their terrorism ... back their cause and put on a vest
> yourself ... Allah wants that ... and I do too ...

Oh, please! You are foaming at the corners of your mouth. Get help.
Rabies can kill you.

My philosophy is clear and applies equally to all races, religions and
nationalities. If you are America's enemy, and you are killing Americans, I
want you dead and the sooner you get that way the better I like it.

Irish Mike




 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 13:43:37
From: Benj
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 27, 4:13 pm, John Larkin
<jjSNIPlar...@highTHISlandtechnology.com > wrote:

> The equation is simple: don't fire rockets into our cities, and we
> won't bomb yours.

Well shit. Now there's a formula that isn't going to work... at least
in the Middle East.





  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 21:08:08
From: John Larkin
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:43:37 -0800 (PST), Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net >
wrote:

>On Dec 27, 4:13 pm, John Larkin
><jjSNIPlar...@highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>
>> The equation is simple: don't fire rockets into our cities, and we
>> won't bomb yours.
>
>Well shit. Now there's a formula that isn't going to work... at least
>in the Middle East.
>
>

http://www.science.co.il/electronics-companies.asp


John



 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 13:26:43
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message news:R9w5l.
9776$as4.3626@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> <wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2abf503e-8963-43c7-bed5-473df0e851b6@p29g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>> Hamas is the democratically elected party. And those rocket attacks
>> were retaliation by civilians for previous Israeli air strikes.
>
> If you believe that bull shit bucko, I've got some prime ocean front
> property in Kansas I'll sell you.
>>
>>

You might have been living under a rock:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/26/AR2006012600372.html
Hamas Sweeps Palestinian Elections


>>
>>
>> You mean righting the wrong? The illegal Iraq invasion was proven to
>> have been started on a lie. Saddam had no ties to 9/11 and there were
>> no WMD. In fact, Saddam didn't even like OBL.
>
> Fuck Saddam and fuck his two murdering bastard sons. They were responsible
> for the deaths of 2,000,000 people which none of you Bush-bashing liberals
> ever gave a shit about. Saddam could have avoided the Iraq war, just as he
> could have avoided the Iran war and the invasion of Kuwait. He wanted a
> war, he got a war and now the miserable ass wipe is dead. I'm just sorry he
> didn't die sooner.
>
>

Your country installed Saddam. You are responsible for all the shit
you have described.
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html
Regime Change: How the CIA put Saddam's Party in Power

http://www.representativepress.org/CIASaddam.html
The Devil in the Details: The CIA and Saddam Hussein








 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 13:19:20
From: HardySpicer
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 28, 10:13=A0am, John Larkin
<jjSNIPlar...@highTHISlandtechnology.com > wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:32:19 -0800 (PST),
>
>
>
> wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
> >birthday:
>
> >http://news.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/abc/world/contentposting.aspx?isfa=3D1.=
..
>
> >At least 155 die as Israel launches air strikes on Gaza
>
> >The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke rose
> >above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
> >155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
> >Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed.
> >Israel Army Radio said at least 40 targets were hit.
>
> >Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber,
> >witnesses said.
>
> >The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several more
> >waves followed.
>
> >Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through the
> >streets and women frantically looked for their children.
>
> The equation is simple: don't fire rockets into our cities, and we
> won't bomb yours.
>
> John

a bit more complicated though isn't it? Suppose the Germans had
invaded England and Wales and all the English were pushed back into
Wales to live. I expect a good few of them would send a few rockets
over the border to show them that the English were not really
defeated. Likewise, the land the Israelis occupy is Arab land though
of course it was shared thousands of years ago by both. Hence many of
the people in Gaza had land which was stolen by the Jews. Solution -
pay reparations for the land the jews stole - far cheaper than F16
jets in the long run and the bad press.

H.


  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 18:09:36
From: Darn Good Intelligence
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On 29 Dec, 02:01, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
<Zarathus...@thusspoke.org > wrote:

> =A0You seem to forget about the tens of thousands due to influx from WWII
> aftermath.

True, but you are again referring to land that was unlikely to be
legally owned by Jews. Remember: the UN Partition plan was essentially
handing out large amounts of Arab-owned land to Jews. 56% of Palestine
was awarded to Jews yet they legally owned no more than approx 10% of
the land.


   
Date: 30 Dec 2008 11:36:21
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and

"A Man Beaten by Jacks" <nobody@fool.foo > wrote in message
news:laskl4dl56k7k4dh51oeso1cd0pqda6jf4@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:04:42 -0800 (PST), Will in New Haven
> <bill.reich@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 29, 9:54 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>> Don't you think Jimi Hendrix would have explored harder drugs if he
>>> had lived?
>
>>I probably smoked more pot than he did and I didn't. I even quit pot
>>last Thursday. Maybe.
>
> This is a troll, right? Harder than heroin?


Here is an article on Jimi Hendrix's alleged drug use. Like every rock
star in that era, besides marijuana, LSD, amphetamine, alcohol and
heroine were cited:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimi_Hendrix#Drug_use
Hendrix is widely known for and associated with the use of
hallucinogenic drugs, most notably LSD, as were many other famous
musicians and celebrities of that time. He supposedly had never taken
hallucinogens until the night he met Linda Keith, but smoked marijuana
and drank alcohol previously. Amphetamines are also recorded as being
used by Hendrix during tours.





   
Date: 30 Dec 2008 11:12:33
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 30, 2:07 pm, A Man Beaten by Jacks <nob...@fool.foo > wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:04:42 -0800 (PST), Will in New Haven
>
> <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 29, 9:54 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Don't you think Jimi Hendrix would have explored harder drugs if he
> >> had lived?
> >I probably smoked more pot than he did and I didn't. I even quit pot
> >last Thursday. Maybe.
>
> This is a troll, right? Harder than heroin?


The guy who asked was going on the assumption that using pot leads to
using harder drugs. He was ignoring Jimi Hendrix' actual usage. So I
did too.

--
Will in New Haven


   
Date: 29 Dec 2008 12:18:03
From: StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:09:36 -0800 (PST), Darn Good Intelligence
<waynetv50@yahoo.com > wrote:

>On 29 Dec, 02:01, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
><Zarathus...@thusspoke.org> wrote:
>
>>  You seem to forget about the tens of thousands due to influx from WWII
>> aftermath.
>
>True, but you are again referring to land that was unlikely to be
>legally owned by Jews. Remember: the UN Partition plan was essentially
>handing out large amounts of Arab-owned land to Jews. 56% of Palestine
>was awarded to Jews yet they legally owned no more than approx 10% of
>the land.


And you seem to always conveniently forget that that WAS what was agreed
upon, and that was the aftermath of the war, and idiots like you need to
learn how to accept things as they are. The peace makers have no problem
with this. Only retarded twits that think they have some valid claim to
something that was never theirs to begin with do, idiot.


   
Date: 28 Dec 2008 21:26:01
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

"Darn Good Intelligence" <waynetv50@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:bb171484-59f8-4cb1-9c54-bb17659b28c7@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com...
>
> True, but you are again referring to land that was unlikely to be
> legally owned by Jews.

The problem with cocksucking racist neo-nazi filth such as yourself is that
you're unable to differentiate between 'Jews', which is to say individuals
of the Hebrew race and the lawful government of the eternal state of Israel.

> Remember: the UN Partition plan was essentially
> handing out large amounts of Arab-owned land to Jews.

I'll wager that not a single hector was transferred into individual hands.
Much less into any 'Jews' hands. It was all returned to the eternal state of
Israel.

> 56% of Palestine
> was awarded to Jews yet they legally owned no more than approx 10% of
> the land.

The legally unowned land was awarded (i.e. - returned,) to the eternal state
of Israel.
You might want to get use to it. The muslims cannot and will not defeat the
eternal state of Israel. Hopefully however, many will die trying and soon
thereafter be cast into the eternal lake of hell fire - for eternity. You
know, with muhammad and the rest of those guys. Forever.






    
Date: 29 Dec 2008 12:24:08
From: StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:26:01 -0600, "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com >
wrote:

> Hopefully however, many will die trying and soon
>thereafter be cast into the eternal lake of hell fire - for eternity. You
>know, with muhammad and the rest of those guys. Forever.


If only the other fucking saber wielding tribe had won that day, and
there was no retarded twit named Muhammed (or whatever the fuck the saber
wielding dipshit's name is)for retarded saber wielding twits to revere as
a god figure.

What would the world be like now if this saber wielding dumbfuck had
gotten a saber shoved up his ass?

What would the world be like now had some intelligent German <sic > shot
the rebel Hitler before he ever got to power?

What would the world be like now, had Jimi lived?


     
Date: 30 Dec 2008 14:24:38
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 30, 4:06 pm, A Man Beaten by Jacks <nob...@fool.foo > wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:35:37 -0500, "Mark B [Diputsur]"
>
>
>
> <diput...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
> >news:kc1ll49hhd0bmrpfkeijjecr7513t7g1kb@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:07:18 -0500, A Man Beaten by Jacks
> >> <nob...@fool.foo> wrote:
>
> >>>On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:04:42 -0800 (PST), Will in New Haven
> >>><bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>On Dec 29, 9:54 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>>>> Don't you think Jimi Hendrix would have explored harder drugs if he
> >>>>> had lived?
>
> >>>>I probably smoked more pot than he did and I didn't. I even quit pot
> >>>>last Thursday. Maybe.
>
> >>>This is a troll, right? Harder than heroin?
>
> >> Jimi was not on smack, dipshit.
>
> >> Someone should smack you.
>
> >Hey asshole, dipshit is a term of endearment around these parts.
>
> "Then on May 3, 1969, Hendrix was arrested at Toronto's Pearson
> International Airport after heroin and hashish were found in his
> luggage. Hendrix argued in his trial defense that the drugs were
> slipped into his bag by a fan without his knowledge, and he was
> acquitted."
>
> Suuuure they were slipped into his bag. Anyone who thinks Jimi wasn't
> on smack is fucking retarded.


He wasn't "on smack," although he almost certainly used it on
occasion. Lots of people have skin-popped or snorted and never gotten
addicted. I have seen plenty of addicts and I watched Jimmy on stage.
He wasn't a junkie. However, I don't believe the "fans stuck it in my
luggage" story either.

The "strong" model of addiction doesn't fit marijuana. Oddly enough,
it doesn't fit heroin all that well either. Barbituates will kill you
if you try to kick. Heroin will basically give you the equivalent of a
bad cold.

--
Will in New Haven


      
Date: 30 Dec 2008 17:56:59
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:24:38 -0800 (PST), Will in New Haven
<bill.reich@taylorandfrancis.com > wrote:

>On Dec 30, 4:06 pm, A Man Beaten by Jacks <nob...@fool.foo> wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:35:37 -0500, "Mark B [Diputsur]"
>>
>>
>>
>> <diput...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message
>> >news:kc1ll49hhd0bmrpfkeijjecr7513t7g1kb@4ax.com...
>> >> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:07:18 -0500, A Man Beaten by Jacks
>> >> <nob...@fool.foo> wrote:
>>
>> >>>On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:04:42 -0800 (PST), Will in New Haven
>> >>><bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>On Dec 29, 9:54 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> Don't you think Jimi Hendrix would have explored harder drugs if he
>> >>>>> had lived?
>>
>> >>>>I probably smoked more pot than he did and I didn't. I even quit pot
>> >>>>last Thursday. Maybe.
>>
>> >>>This is a troll, right? Harder than heroin?
>>
>> >> Jimi was not on smack, dipshit.
>>
>> >> Someone should smack you.
>>
>> >Hey asshole, dipshit is a term of endearment around these parts.
>>
>> "Then on May 3, 1969, Hendrix was arrested at Toronto's Pearson
>> International Airport after heroin and hashish were found in his
>> luggage. Hendrix argued in his trial defense that the drugs were
>> slipped into his bag by a fan without his knowledge, and he was
>> acquitted."
>>
>> Suuuure they were slipped into his bag. Anyone who thinks Jimi wasn't
>> on smack is fucking retarded.

>He wasn't "on smack," although he almost certainly used it on
>occasion. Lots of people have skin-popped or snorted and never gotten

I suppose it depends on what you mean by "on smack." It's pretty much
a certainty he did heroin in some way, shape, or form, and frankly, I
don't think many people without some kind of habit attempt to ship
heroin across international lines.

>addicted. I have seen plenty of addicts and I watched Jimmy on stage.
>He wasn't a junkie. However, I don't believe the "fans stuck it in my
>luggage" story either.

I'm not sure what you mean by "junkie." He didn't appear to have died
of it, or in any case, he didn't have track marks on his arms. That
doesn't rule out heroin addiction, though, and it's pretty clear he
was on some pretty heavy combination of drugs at the time he died,
even if what he choked to death on was basically red wine.

>The "strong" model of addiction doesn't fit marijuana. Oddly enough,
>it doesn't fit heroin all that well either. Barbituates will kill you
>if you try to kick. Heroin will basically give you the equivalent of a
>bad cold.

Marijuana is barely described accurately as "addictive" at all,
although it's certainly habit-forming.

And while heroin withdrawal could be described physically as little
worse than a bad flu, anyone who has actually gone through it knows
there's a psychological component to it which is brutal. Nobody would
do life-destroying things to end the misery of a mere cold. However,
many people, to escape the misery of heroin withdrawal, go right back
onto a drug they know is killing them.

I've seen people go through heroin withdrawal. While "bad cold" might
capture the pure physicality of it, there's a lot more to it than
that. It is a true mindfuck and perhaps the worst there is in the
drug world.


       
Date: 30 Dec 2008 22:12:27
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

"A Man Beaten by Jacks" <nobody@fool.foo > wrote in message
news:ng9ll4psfiu8muf1km7jv34ltlkqcdbkam@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:24:38 -0800 (PST), Will in New Haven
> <bill.reich@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>
> >The "strong" model of addiction doesn't fit marijuana. Oddly enough,
> >it doesn't fit heroin all that well either. Barbituates will kill you
>
> there's a psychological component to it which is brutal. Nobody would
> do life-destroying things


Back when heroin was legally sold OTC people use to take what would be a
huge daily habits worth today and live a relatively normal working life
where they would die of old age in their 70's. The difference was is that it
was cheap, clean albeit not 'pure' and well dosed. With today's laws its
horrifically expensive, filthy and you can never tell how much your taking
on a day to day basis. All heroin OD's are a result of taking to pure a hit
or just to large a dose for a beginner.


> many people, to escape the misery of heroin withdrawal, go right back
> onto a drug they know is killing them.


Not the drug, the dose, the unsanitary nature of the product and the filthy
nature of administration - i.e. dirty needles. All of which give rise to all
that stuff that's "killing them."




     
Date: 29 Dec 2008 22:13:46
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

"StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt" <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org > wrote in message
news:k7cil45visho1l6e4crv98ig43khdccth2@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:26:01 -0600, "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hopefully however, many will die trying and soon
> >thereafter be cast into the eternal lake of hell fire - for eternity. You
> >know, with muhammad and the rest of those guys. Forever.
>
>
> If only the other fucking saber wielding tribe had won that day, and
> there was no retarded twit named Muhammed (or whatever the fuck the saber
> wielding dipshit's name is)for retarded saber wielding twits to revere as
> a god figure.
>
> What would the world be like now if this saber wielding dumbfuck had
> gotten a saber shoved up his ass?
>
> What would the world be like now had some intelligent German <sic> shot
> the rebel Hitler before he ever got to power?
>
> What would the world be like now, had Jimi lived?

Hey Joe, I just shot muhammad down?







      
Date: 30 Dec 2008 01:44:53
From: StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:13:46 -0600, "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com >
wrote:

>
>"StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt" <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote in message
>news:k7cil45visho1l6e4crv98ig43khdccth2@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:26:01 -0600, "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hopefully however, many will die trying and soon
>> >thereafter be cast into the eternal lake of hell fire - for eternity. You
>> >know, with muhammad and the rest of those guys. Forever.
>>
>>
>> If only the other fucking saber wielding tribe had won that day, and
>> there was no retarded twit named Muhammed (or whatever the fuck the saber
>> wielding dipshit's name is)for retarded saber wielding twits to revere as
>> a god figure.
>>
>> What would the world be like now if this saber wielding dumbfuck had
>> gotten a saber shoved up his ass?
>>
>> What would the world be like now had some intelligent German <sic> shot
>> the rebel Hitler before he ever got to power?
>>
>> What would the world be like now, had Jimi lived?
>
>Hey Joe, I just shot muhammad down?
>
>
>
>
If only it were that easy.


    
Date: 29 Dec 2008 12:19:29
From: StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:26:01 -0600, "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com >
wrote:

>hector


hectare


     
Date: 29 Dec 2008 22:11:01
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

"StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt" <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org > wrote in message
news:46cil41smaqiar78h50as631ghktudhatb@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:26:01 -0600, "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com>
> wrote:
>
> >hector
>
>
> hectare

lol - hey, it's not my field.




      
Date: 30 Dec 2008 01:42:58
From: StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:11:01 -0600, "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com >
wrote:

>
>"StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt" <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote in message
>news:46cil41smaqiar78h50as631ghktudhatb@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:26:01 -0600, "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >hector
>>
>>
>> hectare
>
>lol - hey, it's not my field.
>


If your name was Chester, they'd have called you a molester in school.

That's what kids do.. (the name calling part not the molesting)... Oh
wait... they do that nowadays!


  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 16:32:26
From: John Larkin
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:19:20 -0800 (PST), HardySpicer
<gyansorova@gmail.com > wrote:

>On Dec 28, 10:13 am, John Larkin
><jjSNIPlar...@highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:32:19 -0800 (PST),
>>
>>
>>
>> wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
>> >birthday:
>>
>> >http://news.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/abc/world/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1...
>>
>> >At least 155 die as Israel launches air strikes on Gaza
>>
>> >The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke rose
>> >above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
>> >155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
>> >Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed.
>> >Israel Army Radio said at least 40 targets were hit.
>>
>> >Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber,
>> >witnesses said.
>>
>> >The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several more
>> >waves followed.
>>
>> >Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through the
>> >streets and women frantically looked for their children.
>>
>> The equation is simple: don't fire rockets into our cities, and we
>> won't bomb yours.
>>
>> John
>
>a bit more complicated though isn't it? Suppose the Germans had
>invaded England and Wales and all the English were pushed back into
>Wales to live. I expect a good few of them would send a few rockets
>over the border to show them that the English were not really
>defeated. Likewise, the land the Israelis occupy is Arab land though
>of course it was shared thousands of years ago by both. Hence many of
>the people in Gaza had land which was stolen by the Jews. Solution -
>pay reparations for the land the jews stole - far cheaper than F16
>jets in the long run and the bad press.
>
>H.

Bad analogy.

The palestinians wouldn't accept reparations, because they won't admit
that Israel has a right to exist. And if anyone did pay reparations,
it should be the Germans.

Palestine shouldn't exist. There should be Israel, Egypt, and Jordan.
And everyone would get along fine.

Personally, I always side with civilization.


John





  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 16:49:00
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
HardySpicer wrote:

> a bit more complicated though isn't it? Suppose the Germans had
> invaded England and Wales and all the English were pushed back into
> Wales to live. I expect a good few of them would send a few rockets
> over the border to show them that the English were not really
> defeated. Likewise, the land the Israelis occupy is Arab land though
> of course it was shared thousands of years ago by both. Hence many of
> the people in Gaza had land which was stolen by the Jews. Solution -
> pay reparations for the land the jews stole - far cheaper than F16
> jets in the long run and the bad press.
>
> H.

No, you are incorrect. It is in fact much simpler. The 'arabs' lived in
the lands as invaders from many different parts, and no nation, no
national language, no nation state, no currency existed. The land was
'palestine' named after the jews 500 yrs before a muslim ever existed.

Note the 'bible' speaks not of anything but jews, and Israel... as the
'only' land they were to be granted. The arabs were the crusaders across
all the lands they left out of arabia from. They were the crusaders, and
so delineated the world as their's. That is religious decree... unto
destroying others if they resist.

Now... as far as gaza is concerned- the jews walked away- stupily- and
said, here's your land, leave us in peace and this year 2000 rockets
were fired out during the 'truce'

A truce in Islamic terms means to consent to a form of quiet, until they
are strong enought to break the truce. They never stopped. In fact if
you look around the globe, there are wars on about 25 other nations
borders, where islam borders the 'infidels'.

The fact, the simple fact is this: the muslim, Islam is incensed because
by their decree, no non muslim can ever own any land they'ver ever trod
upon. Now that is totalitarianism and so demonstrated by homicidism, and
the belief that only that attains the 'highest' heavenly reward. That is
one reason, a muslim with a straight face told me, that the phrase
'peace be upon him' is uttered about Mo'. He didn't get to die
slaughtering an infidel so he was not with that highest honor. Rather
funny if horrifying to hear the clown iterate so.

As for stolen lands... the jews were the only owners and so mandated for
3300 yrs, with no mandate to ever own any other land except as citizens.

The crusaders were and are the muslims, the arabs. There is not one
democracy anywhere in the arab muslim world. Ok, wait... I stand corrected,

Maybe France.

But other than that, it is a tyranny whereby as a famous writer noted
last week...

"Ask yourself the question that if the Kashmir problem were resolve
tomorrow, if Israel-Palestine reached a lasting peace, do we believe
that al-Qaeda would disband? Do we believe that Lashkar-e-Toiba and
Jaish-e-Mohammad would put their guns down and beat them into
plough-shears and say we would now be farmers because our job is done. I
mean the point about is that is laughable, right? And the point about
that is that that is not their project. Their project is power. This is
a power grab by the most obscurantist, revanchist, old-fashioned,
medievalist idea of modern culture that attempts to drag the world back
into the middle ages at the point of modern weaponry ..." - Salman
Rushdie, in "'Brutality, Incompetence And Cynical Duplicity,'" Outlook
India, December 19

And as to the poster, 'wannabesomeonewhocares', merely google his posts
and look for not just the hard stalinist desire to destroy the west, but
the most vicious love of adolf and the nazi's, then his how shall we
call them... his personal preferences. To get the full picture of what
ugly and venalality do when they marry and post.

He did try to drag all these other groups in... and I'm happy to see
some sober sensible people commenting and shoving right back up his
mental orifice where his hatreds derive.

Mark


  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 16:35:58
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

"HardySpicer" <gyansorova@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:bb284b1f-0e38-428f-9d16-e1cb8acf78db@r36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 28, 10:13 am, John Larkin
<jjSNIPlar...@highTHISlandtechnology.com > wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:32:19 -0800 (PST),
>
>
>
> wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
> >birthday:
>
> >http://news.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/abc/world/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1...
>
> >At least 155 die as Israel launches air strikes on Gaza
>
> >The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke rose
> >above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
> >155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
> >Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed.
> >Israel Army Radio said at least 40 targets were hit.
>
> >Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber,
> >witnesses said.
>
> >The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several more
> >waves followed.
>
> >Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through the
> >streets and women frantically looked for their children.
>
> The equation is simple: don't fire rockets into our cities, and we
> won't bomb yours.
>
> John

a bit more complicated though isn't it? Suppose the Germans had
invaded England and Wales and all the English were pushed back into
Wales to live. I expect a good few of them would send a few rockets
over the border to show them that the English were not really
defeated. Likewise, the land the Israelis occupy is Arab land though
of course it was shared thousands of years ago by both. Hence many of
the people in Gaza had land which was stolen by the Jews. Solution -
pay reparations for the land the jews stole - far cheaper than F16
jets in the long run and the bad press.

H.

Oh fuck off. The Palestinians could have had their own country in the 1990s
if they'd wanted it. When Clinton held the Camp David meetings Israel
offered Arafat his own country. Arafat was afraid that if they had peace
with Israel he would lose some of his personal power. So he decided to
start blowing up Israeli women and children instead. There will be peace
when Palestinian parents start loving their children more than they hate the
Israelis.

Irish Mike




 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 13:13:40
From: John Larkin
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:32:19 -0800 (PST),
wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com wrote:

>
>The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
>birthday:
>
>
>http://news.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/abc/world/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1&feedname=CBC-WORLD-V3&showbyline=True&date=true&newsitemid=gaza
>
>At least 155 die as Israel launches air strikes on Gaza
>
>The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke rose
>above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
>155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
>Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed.
>Israel Army Radio said at least 40 targets were hit.
>
>Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber,
>witnesses said.
>
>The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several more
>waves followed.
>
>Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through the
>streets and women frantically looked for their children.
>
>
>
>
>

The equation is simple: don't fire rockets into our cities, and we
won't bomb yours.

John



  
Date: 29 Dec 2008 14:33:22
From: warm'n'flat
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:13:40 -0800, John Larkin
<jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandtechnology.com > wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:32:19 -0800 (PST),
>wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
>>birthday:
>>
>>
>>http://news.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/abc/world/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1&feedname=CBC-WORLD-V3&showbyline=True&date=true&newsitemid=gaza
>>
>>At least 155 die as Israel launches air strikes on Gaza
>>
>>The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke rose
>>above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
>>155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
>>Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed.
>>Israel Army Radio said at least 40 targets were hit.
>>
>>Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber,
>>witnesses said.
>>
>>The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several more
>>waves followed.
>>
>>Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through the
>>streets and women frantically looked for their children.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>The equation is simple: don't fire rockets into our cities, and we
>won't bomb yours.
>
>John

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?


   
Date: 29 Dec 2008 12:35:25
From: StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:33:22 +0000, warm'n'flat
<warm'n'flat@rabbit.com.au > wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:13:40 -0800, John Larkin
><jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:32:19 -0800 (PST),
>>wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
>>>birthday:
>>>
>>>
>>>http://news.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/abc/world/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1&feedname=CBC-WORLD-V3&showbyline=True&date=true&newsitemid=gaza
>>>
>>>At least 155 die as Israel launches air strikes on Gaza
>>>
>>>The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke rose
>>>above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
>>>155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
>>>Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed.
>>>Israel Army Radio said at least 40 targets were hit.
>>>
>>>Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber,
>>>witnesses said.
>>>
>>>The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several more
>>>waves followed.
>>>
>>>Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through the
>>>streets and women frantically looked for their children.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>The equation is simple: don't fire rockets into our cities, and we
>>won't bomb yours.
>>
>>John
>
>Which came first, the chicken or the egg?


Here... read this VERY SLOWLY, asshole:

TRUCE.

BROKEN TRUCE via ROCKETS FIRED BY HAMMAS.

ISRAELI RETALIATION.


I see nothing wrong with the above chain of events EXCEPT the initial
ERROR made by Hammas to fire rockets into Israel, ending the efforts
toward peace that was being negotiated for the entire region.

If you are having problems which action begat which action, you need to
have your head examined, you retarded fuck!


    
Date: 29 Dec 2008 20:11:06
From: John Larkin
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:35:25 -0800, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
<Zarathustra@thusspoke.org > wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:33:22 +0000, warm'n'flat
><warm'n'flat@rabbit.com.au> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:13:40 -0800, John Larkin
>><jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:32:19 -0800 (PST),
>>>wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
>>>>birthday:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://news.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/abc/world/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1&feedname=CBC-WORLD-V3&showbyline=True&date=true&newsitemid=gaza
>>>>
>>>>At least 155 die as Israel launches air strikes on Gaza
>>>>
>>>>The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke rose
>>>>above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
>>>>155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
>>>>Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed.
>>>>Israel Army Radio said at least 40 targets were hit.
>>>>
>>>>Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber,
>>>>witnesses said.
>>>>
>>>>The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several more
>>>>waves followed.
>>>>
>>>>Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through the
>>>>streets and women frantically looked for their children.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>The equation is simple: don't fire rockets into our cities, and we
>>>won't bomb yours.
>>>
>>>John
>>
>>Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
>
>
> Here... read this VERY SLOWLY, asshole:
>
> TRUCE.
>
> BROKEN TRUCE via ROCKETS FIRED BY HAMMAS.
>
> ISRAELI RETALIATION.
>
>
> I see nothing wrong with the above chain of events EXCEPT the initial
>ERROR made by Hammas to fire rockets into Israel, ending the efforts
>toward peace that was being negotiated for the entire region.
>
> If you are having problems which action begat which action, you need to
>have your head examined, you retarded fuck!


I just heard an interview with a Hamas official, on NPR. He claims
that all the rockets are being fired into Israel by Israeli
collaborators.

John



     
Date: 29 Dec 2008 23:04:11
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com > wrote in message
news:3n7jl410ttjsa826vpq4s4j3f45jrpanf7@4ax.com...
>
>
> I just heard an interview with a Hamas official, on NPR. He claims
> that all the rockets are being fired into Israel by Israeli
> collaborators.
>

Sounds like they're starting to shit their pants. I guess its to be expected
now that they see that the IDF isn't going to pull any punches this time.
Hamas will soon cease to exist. Then Hezbollah. Then IRAN. Heh, a trifecta.
About freakin time.





      
Date: 30 Dec 2008 01:48:01
From: Archimedes' Lever
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:04:11 -0600, "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com >
wrote:

>
>"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
>news:3n7jl410ttjsa826vpq4s4j3f45jrpanf7@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>> I just heard an interview with a Hamas official, on NPR. He claims
>> that all the rockets are being fired into Israel by Israeli
>> collaborators.
>>
>
>Sounds like they're starting to shit their pants. I guess its to be expected
>now that they see that the IDF isn't going to pull any punches this time.
>Hamas will soon cease to exist. Then Hezbollah. Then IRAN. Heh, a trifecta.
>About freakin time.
>
>
If only it were that simple.

Hey! Maybe a huge asteroid will hit the planet and fuck all of us so
we don't even have to worry about it! :-]

Hail 12 / 21 / 2012!


   
Date: 29 Dec 2008 07:30:31
From: John Larkin
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:33:22 +0000, warm'n'flat
<warm'n'flat@rabbit.com.au > wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:13:40 -0800, John Larkin
><jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:32:19 -0800 (PST),
>>wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
>>>birthday:
>>>
>>>
>>>http://news.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/abc/world/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1&feedname=CBC-WORLD-V3&showbyline=True&date=true&newsitemid=gaza
>>>
>>>At least 155 die as Israel launches air strikes on Gaza
>>>
>>>The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke rose
>>>above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
>>>155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
>>>Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed.
>>>Israel Army Radio said at least 40 targets were hit.
>>>
>>>Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber,
>>>witnesses said.
>>>
>>>The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several more
>>>waves followed.
>>>
>>>Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through the
>>>streets and women frantically looked for their children.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>The equation is simple: don't fire rockets into our cities, and we
>>won't bomb yours.
>>
>>John
>
>Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

The rockets, obviously.

John



    
Date: 29 Dec 2008 10:42:23
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:30:31 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com > wrote:

>>Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

>The rockets, obviously.

"He hit me back first Mommy!"


     
Date: 29 Dec 2008 13:18:30
From: John Larkin
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:42:23 -0500, A Man Beaten by Jacks
<nobody@fool.foo > wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:30:31 -0800, John Larkin
><jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
>>>Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
>
>>The rockets, obviously.
>
>"He hit me back first Mommy!"

There was a 6-months cease-fire. At the end, Hamas launched rockets.

Morons. Or martyrs. Amounts to the same thing.

John



     
Date: 29 Dec 2008 12:36:59
From: StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:42:23 -0500, A Man Beaten by Jacks
<nobody@fool.foo > wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:30:31 -0800, John Larkin
><jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
>>>Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
>
>>The rockets, obviously.
>
>"He hit me back first Mommy!"


If that is what was being done, the area would be flattened completely.

End of scuffle.


     
Date: 29 Dec 2008 11:53:53
From: krw
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
In article <furhl4t966ot0hkh04173t1i4p481rkofd@4ax.com >,
nobody@fool.foo says... >
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:30:31 -0800, John Larkin
> <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
> >>Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
>
> >The rockets, obviously.
>
> "He hit me back first Mommy!"

Such is war. Grow up.




      
Date: 29 Dec 2008 15:03:42
From: Michael A. Terrell
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed

krw wrote:
>
> In article <furhl4t966ot0hkh04173t1i4p481rkofd@4ax.com>,
> nobody@fool.foo says...>
> > On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:30:31 -0800, John Larkin
> > <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
> >
> > >The rockets, obviously.
> >
> > "He hit me back first Mommy!"
>
> Such is war. Grow up.


If it hasn't happened by now, it never will.


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The crazy, and the insane.
The first sign of insanity is denying that you're crazy.


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 12:59:35
From: rigger
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 27, 12:41=A0pm, number6 <snumb...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Dec 27, 3:11=A0pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:%hv5l.
>
> > 9772$as4.2...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> > > Maybe the Israelis wanted to strike back at Hamas for all those rocke=
t
> > > attacks
> > Hamas is the democratically elected party. And those rocket attacks
> > were retaliation by civilians for previous Israeli air strikes.
>
> OH Bullfucking shit ... The local 7-11 sells them ??? Your propaganda
> has no validity whatsoever ... none ... Lying sacks of murderous
> bastards ... you understand that ... All are lying sacks of murderous
> bastards ... full of hate bias and venom ... and you are their
> advocate ... congratualtions ... enjoy their bombings of innocents ...
> enjoy their terrorism ... back their cause and put on a vest
> yourself ... Allah wants that ... and I do too ...
>
> > > before "retreat-and-surrender-Obama" becomes commander in chief.
>
> > You mean righting the wrong? The illegal Iraq invasion was proven to
> > have been started on a lie. Saddam had no ties to 9/11 and there were
> > no WMD. In fact, Saddam didn't even like OBL.
>
> Saddam was in constant violation of the cease fire from the first Gulf
> War ... nothing else was needed ... There indeed were WMD ... ask the
> Kurds ... ask the Shiites in Basra ... ask chemical Ali ... oh he's
> executed so you can't ... The fact that his WMD program was in
> disarray - and kept secretly so enemies would still fear him wasn't
> good enough to keep us from kicking his ass out of power and letting
> the Iraqis execute the despicable son of a bitch ...
>
> Take your hatred of Jews to your local brown shirt rally ... bigoted
> bastard ...

But Israel was stupid in ever leaving Gaza. They actually thought
it would lower tensions but the pigs of Hamas didn't see it that way.
They deserve everything they get.

dennis
in nca


  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 03:29:15
From: Jerry B. Altzman
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
on 12/27/2008 3:59 PM rigger said the following:
> But Israel was stupid in ever leaving Gaza. They actually thought
> it would lower tensions but the pigs of Hamas didn't see it that way.
> They deserve everything they get.

Spending all that energy to protect 1000 Israelis against 2 million
Palestinians...the math doesn't work out.
Israel tried to give Gaza to Egypt in the peace accords in '77 (I
believe) and Egypt *didn't want it*.

One wonders why.

> dennis

//jbaltz
--
jerry b. altzman jbaltz@altzman.com www.jbaltz.com
thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe.


  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 21:12:26
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

"rigger" <dgrup@aol.com > wrote in message
news:2f66f93a-fb8e-4707-82e7-82f4163f10ad@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> But Israel was stupid in ever leaving Gaza. They actually thought
> it would lower tensions but the pigs of Hamas didn't see it that way.
> They deserve everything they get.


And what they get is $10.mil US for every bomb Israel drops on their sorry
ass. Compliments of the Saudi government. They probably earned half a
billion today. Not counting the $75.k the Iranians pay directly to each
family for every family member killed. It's kinda like the lotto. Literarily
a cottage industry. I'm sure they'll consider ending it about the same time
hell freezes over. Sometimes I wonder how many muslim souls it will take to
lower the temperature in hell by 1 degree.




 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 12:42:33
From: number6
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 27, 3:17=A0pm, FL Turbo <noem...@notime.com > wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:32:19 -0800 (PST),
>
>
>
>
>
> wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
> >birthday:
>
> >http://news.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/abc/world/contentposting.aspx?isfa=3D1.=
..
>
> >At least 155 die as Israel launches air strikes on Gaza
>
> >The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke rose
> >above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
> >155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
> >Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed.
> >Israel Army Radio said at least 40 targets were hit.
>
> >Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber,
> >witnesses said.
>
> >The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several more
> >waves followed.
>
> >Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through the
> >streets and women frantically looked for their children.
>
> Maybe someone in Gaza might wonder if launching all those rocket
> attacks across the border into Israel was such a great idea?
>
> Naah.
>
> Some people never learn.

Do you know why Gaza was not returned to Egypt when the rest of the
Sinai was ?? Egypt was glad to wash their hands of those there ...


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 12:41:01
From: number6
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 27, 3:11=A0pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
> "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:%hv5l.
>
> 9772$as4.2...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
>
>
> > Maybe the Israelis wanted to strike back at Hamas for all those rocket
> > attacks
> Hamas is the democratically elected party. And those rocket attacks
> were retaliation by civilians for previous Israeli air strikes.

OH Bullfucking shit ... The local 7-11 sells them ??? Your propaganda
has no validity whatsoever ... none ... Lying sacks of murderous
bastards ... you understand that ... All are lying sacks of murderous
bastards ... full of hate bias and venom ... and you are their
advocate ... congratualtions ... enjoy their bombings of innocents ...
enjoy their terrorism ... back their cause and put on a vest
yourself ... Allah wants that ... and I do too ...

> > before "retreat-and-surrender-Obama" becomes commander in chief.
>
> You mean righting the wrong? The illegal Iraq invasion was proven to
> have been started on a lie. Saddam had no ties to 9/11 and there were
> no WMD. In fact, Saddam didn't even like OBL.

Saddam was in constant violation of the cease fire from the first Gulf
War ... nothing else was needed ... There indeed were WMD ... ask the
Kurds ... ask the Shiites in Basra ... ask chemical Ali ... oh he's
executed so you can't ... The fact that his WMD program was in
disarray - and kept secretly so enemies would still fear him wasn't
good enough to keep us from kicking his ass out of power and letting
the Iraqis execute the despicable son of a bitch ...

Take your hatred of Jews to your local brown shirt rally ... bigoted
bastard ...



  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 11:10:19
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:41:01 -0800 (PST), number6 <snumber6@aol.com >
wrote:

>On Dec 27, 3:11 pm, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>> "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:%hv5l.
>>
>> 9772$as4.2...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Maybe the Israelis wanted to strike back at Hamas for all those rocket
>> > attacks
>> Hamas is the democratically elected party. And those rocket attacks
>> were retaliation by civilians for previous Israeli air strikes.
>
>OH Bullfucking shit ... The local 7-11 sells them ??? Your propaganda
>has no validity whatsoever ... none ... Lying sacks of murderous
>bastards ... you understand that ... All are lying sacks of murderous
>bastards ... full of hate bias and venom ... and you are their
>advocate ... congratualtions ... enjoy their bombings of innocents ...
>enjoy their terrorism ... back their cause and put on a vest
>yourself ... Allah wants that ... and I do too ...
>

you got your finger stuck on the .... key, moron?

>> > before "retreat-and-surrender-Obama" becomes commander in chief.
>>
>> You mean righting the wrong? The illegal Iraq invasion was proven to
>> have been started on a lie. Saddam had no ties to 9/11 and there were
>> no WMD. In fact, Saddam didn't even like OBL.
>
>Saddam was in constant violation of the cease fire from the first Gulf
>War ... nothing else was needed ... There indeed were WMD ... ask the
>Kurds ... ask the Shiites in Basra ... ask chemical Ali ... oh he's
>executed so you can't ... The fact that his WMD program was in
>disarray - and kept secretly so enemies would still fear him wasn't
>good enough to keep us from kicking his ass out of power and letting
>the Iraqis execute the despicable son of a bitch ...
>
>Take your hatred of Jews to your local brown shirt rally ... bigoted
>bastard ...


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 14:17:36
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:32:19 -0800 (PST),
wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com wrote:

>
>The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
>birthday:
>
>
>http://news.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/abc/world/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1&feedname=CBC-WORLD-V3&showbyline=True&date=true&newsitemid=gaza
>
>At least 155 die as Israel launches air strikes on Gaza
>
>The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke rose
>above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
>155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
>Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed.
>Israel Army Radio said at least 40 targets were hit.
>
>Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber,
>witnesses said.
>
>The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several more
>waves followed.
>
>Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through the
>streets and women frantically looked for their children.
>

Maybe someone in Gaza might wonder if launching all those rocket
attacks across the border into Israel was such a great idea?

Naah.

Some people never learn.


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 12:12:14
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and

"nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com > wrote in message news:1c1faea3-
e737-4ba8-849b-
>
>
> Um, let's see... Jews, Xtian holiday...
>
> Yep, you're an idiot.
>
>

The Israelis should at least respect the fact that the Son of God was
born as a Jew. It was His birthday, for crying out loud.




 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 12:11:33
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message news:%hv5l.
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>
>
> Maybe the Israelis wanted to strike back at Hamas for all those rocket
> attacks

Hamas is the democratically elected party. And those rocket attacks
were retaliation by civilians for previous Israeli air strikes.



> before "retreat-and-surrender-Obama" becomes commander in chief.
>


You mean righting the wrong? The illegal Iraq invasion was proven to
have been started on a lie. Saddam had no ties to 9/11 and there were
no WMD. In fact, Saddam didn't even like OBL.




  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 15:24:20
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

<wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com > wrote in message
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>
> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:%hv5l.
> 9772$as4.2021@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>>
>> Maybe the Israelis wanted to strike back at Hamas for all those rocket
>> attacks
>
> Hamas is the democratically elected party. And those rocket attacks
> were retaliation by civilians for previous Israeli air strikes.

If you believe that bull shit bucko, I've got some prime ocean front
property in Kansas I'll sell you.
>
>
>
>> before "retreat-and-surrender-Obama" becomes commander in chief.
>>
>
>
> You mean righting the wrong? The illegal Iraq invasion was proven to
> have been started on a lie. Saddam had no ties to 9/11 and there were
> no WMD. In fact, Saddam didn't even like OBL.

Fuck Saddam and fuck his two murdering bastard sons. They were responsible
for the deaths of 2,000,000 people which none of you Bush-bashing liberals
ever gave a shit about. Saddam could have avoided the Iraq war, just as he
could have avoided the Iran war and the invasion of Kuwait. He wanted a
war, he got a war and now the miserable ass wipe is dead. I'm just sorry he
didn't die sooner.

Irish Mike




   
Date: 28 Dec 2008 11:09:12
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:24:20 -0500, "Irish Mike"
<mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote:
OBL.
>
>Fuck Saddam and fuck his two murdering bastard sons. They were responsible
>for the deaths of 2,000,000 people

cite?

Bush murderd a million. How's that any better?

>which none of you Bush-bashing liberals
>ever gave a shit about. Saddam could have avoided the Iraq war, just as he
>could have avoided the Iran war and the invasion of Kuwait. He wanted a
>war, he got a war and now the miserable ass wipe is dead. I'm just sorry he
>didn't die sooner.
>
>Irish Mike
>


    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 13:34:30
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

<hal@nospam.com > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:24:20 -0500, "Irish Mike"
> <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote:
> OBL.
>>
>>Fuck Saddam and fuck his two murdering bastard sons. They were
>>responsible
>>for the deaths of 2,000,000 people
>
> cite?

Been there, done that bucko. You can start by looking up Saddam death toll
on the net. President Bush didn't murder any one - except in the minds of
the lunatic liberal left.

Irish Mike





     
Date: 28 Dec 2008 11:40:06
From:
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 13:34:30 -0500, "Irish Mike"
<mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote:

>
><hal@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:m4gfl4t3mkhunt6bva80v8tlovth1qt9jf@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:24:20 -0500, "Irish Mike"
>> <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote:
>> OBL.
>>>
>>>Fuck Saddam and fuck his two murdering bastard sons. They were
>>>responsible
>>>for the deaths of 2,000,000 people
>>
>> cite?
>
>Been there, done that bucko. You can start by looking up Saddam death toll
>on the net. President Bush didn't murder any one - except in the minds of
>the lunatic liberal left.

a million Iraqis died in the US invasion of Iraq, moron. An invasion
based on intentional lies. There were no ties whatsoever between Iraq
and 9/11. Iraq had no WMDs that we didn't give to them. Get it
assfuck?

>
>Irish Mike
>
>


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 11:29:52
From: nuny@bid.nes
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
On Dec 27, 10:32=A0am, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
> The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
> birthday:

Um, let's see... Jews, Xtian holiday...

Yep, you're an idiot.


Mark L. Fergerson


  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 16:51:17
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
nuny@bid.nes wrote:
> On Dec 27, 10:32 am, wannabesomeoneca...@gmail.com wrote:
>> The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
>> birthday:
>
> Um, let's see... Jews, Xtian holiday...
>
> Yep, you're an idiot.
>
>
> Mark L. Fergerson
You guys from the other newsgroups that 'wannabe' the RMA nazi and
marxist drooler, dragged you into his thread, definitely have sharp
analytical skills. You got right to the idiot part without hesitation.

You guys are a breathe of fresh air :^)

Mark


   
Date: 28 Dec 2008 03:36:08
From: suds macheath
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and

> You guys are a breathe of fresh air :^)
>
> Mark

---Believe it or not, this guy claims to be a doctor. He'll provide you
many hours of fun deciphering his tortured scrawlings...
Don't forget to breathe....<chuckle >



    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 10:23:55
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
suds macheath wrote:
>
>> You guys are a breathe of fresh air :^)
>>
>> Mark
>
> ---Believe it or not, this guy claims to be a doctor. He'll provide you
> many hours of fun deciphering his tortured scrawlings...
> Don't forget to breathe....<chuckle>
>

It's aways nice that the leftist of RMA introduce themselves properly to
new folks.

You have just intimated what makes you tick.

Mark


     
Date: 29 Dec 2008 10:56:44
From: suds macheath
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
Mark Goldberg wrote:
> suds macheath wrote:
>>
>>> You guys are a breathe of fresh air :^)
>>>
>>> Mark
>>
>> ---Believe it or not, this guy claims to be a doctor. He'll provide
>> you many hours of fun deciphering his tortured scrawlings...
>> Don't forget to breathe....<chuckle>
>>
>
> It's aways nice that the leftist of RMA introduce themselves properly to
> new folks.
>
> You have just intimated what makes you tick.
>
> Mark

---Don't forget to breathe, Goldie....congrats on figuring out the
difference between "your" and "you're" after all these years.....


      
Date: 30 Dec 2008 06:33:29
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
suds macheath wrote:
> Mark Goldberg wrote:

>>
>> You have just intimated what makes you tick.
>>
>> Mark
>
> ---Don't forget to breathe, Goldie....congrats on figuring out the
> difference between "your" and "you're" after all these years.....

Like I said.
It's wonderful that you introduce yourself for what you are, what you
believe, and what makes you tick. Yes...

Mark


 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 14:24:46
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and Killed at least 155 Palestinians

<wannabesomeonecares@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:cb935c91-a427-4681-ac62-063babf29c8e@q30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
> The "Chosen People" has a devious way to celebrate Jesus Christ's
> birthday:
>
>
> http://news.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/abc/world/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1&feedname=CBC-WORLD-V3&showbyline=True&date=true&newsitemid=gaza
>
> At least 155 die as Israel launches air strikes on Gaza
>
> The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion as black smoke rose
> above Gaza. Health Ministry official Moawiya Hassanain said at least
> 155 people were killed and more than 300 were wounded.
> Hamas officials said all of Gaza's security compounds were destroyed.
> Israel Army Radio said at least 40 targets were hit.
>
> Among the dead was the Gaza police chief, Maj. Gen. Tawfiq Jaber,
> witnesses said.
>
> The first round of air strikes came just before noon and several more
> waves followed.
>
> Plumes of black smoke rose over Gaza City, sirens wailed through the
> streets and women frantically looked for their children.

Maybe the Israelis wanted to strike back at Hamas for all those rocket
attacks before "retreat-and-surrender-Obama" becomes commander in chief.

Irish Mike





  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 17:19:58
From: Mark Goldberg
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Israel Launches Air Strike Against Gaza and
Irish Mike wrote:

> Maybe the Israelis wanted to strike back at Hamas for all those rocket
> attacks before "retreat-and-surrender-Obama" becomes commander in chief.
>
> Irish Mike

There have been some 10,000 kassam rocket attacks if I remember the
count. There have been 2000 this year, during the 'truce'. That is the
muslim strategy and Hamas's words four days ago were this:

Hamas mocks Israel's nonresponse to Kassams
Dec. 25, 2008
Khaled Abu Toameh , THE JERUSALEM POST

Hamas on Wednesday remained as defiant as ever and said it would
continue to fire rockets at Israel as an act of "self-defense."

Hamas also mocked what it described as the "state of confusion" in
Israel over how to react to the latest spree of rocket and mortar attacks.

The movement also claimed that the Egyptians had given Israel a "green
light" to launch a limited military operation in the Gaza Strip to
overthrow the Hamas government.

Hamas was killing christians, destroying all other 'infidels' freedoms
in gaza, and attacking the Israeli's. Laughing at their 'peace' gestures
as they themselves boasted and brayed.

You see, it's like this as someone else noted:

Of course the Arab Muslims will protest.

In fact, they will froth, screech and gibber in rage: because the Jews
of Israel are no longer behaving like dhimmis, unresponsively cowering
beneath the threats and blows of the arrogant swaggering snarling Muslim
supremacists, but are...oh, shock! horrors! - HITTING BACK AND DEFENDING
THEMSELVES, as do free human beings.

Dhimmis were not allowed to defend themselves. Dhimmis weren't even
supposed to cry out or complain, to anybody, no matter what a Muslim
chose to do to them. They weren't allowed to ask for help from outside.
Dhimmis knew that if they suffered Muslim violence - up to and including
rape and murder - they would have NO recourse whatever in a Muslim
court...because the word of a Muslim always trumped that of a dhimmi.
Dhimmis were supposed to be as passive as the tied-up-and-gagged victim
of a serial torturer-killer. Indeed, Muslims expected that dhimmis would
flatter and smile and stroke their (the Muslims') swollen egos, even
while they (the Muslims) committed upon them the grossest of injuries.

See Bat Yeor's 'The Dhimmi' and various essays in Spencer's 'The Myth of
Islamic Tolerance' to see plenty of historic descriptions of the Rules
for Dhimmis.

And as we observe the Muslim response to the Israelis' long-delayed,
carefully targeted and fully-justified assault on jihad fortress Gaza,
whose brainwashed inhabitants are as full of murderous judenhass as was
Hitler's Berlin, let us remember G K Chesterton's definition of the true
barbarian: he laughs when he hurts you, but HOWLS when *you* hurt *him*.

Oh... and just for laughs, go take a look at what the muslims and arabs
are doing this holy season to christians throughout all of Islamic lands.

Take a look, see, count the bodies and see who the supremacists are and
what they do and what they say. Now... this last month.

Caroline Glick had a nice article discussing the gift to the Christians
this holiday season from Hamas and Iran:


Iran and Hamas do Christmas

By Caroline B. Glick


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