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Date: 28 Jan 2009 15:45:31
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Live hand situation
This is not a hand of mine, but it did really happen as was relayed to me
by a friend.

Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in MP
with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?

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Date: 30 Jan 2009 16:10:43
From: eldo77
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 28 2009 6:45 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> This is not a hand of mine, but it did really happen as was relayed to me
> by a friend.
>
> Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in MP
> with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
> have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?
>

Shove all-in and buy more chips when he draws out.

eldo77

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Date: 29 Jan 2009 08:49:00
From: phlash74
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 28, 3:45=A0pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> This is not a hand of mine, but it did really happen as was relayed to me
> by a friend.
>
> Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. =A0Folds to typical TVSM in=
MP
> with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. =A0It folds to you in the BB, yo=
u
> have a $300 stack and look down at KK. =A0What do you do?
>
> ---
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>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" =A0--igotskillz
>
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> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
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I'd push. I don't see any way a "typical TVSM" bets 50xBB with AA, so
I like my chances here. I expect to get called by AJo and lose when
the board comes K93TQ.

Michael
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Date: 29 Jan 2009 08:41:33
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
> This is not a hand of mine, but it did really happen as was relayed to me
> by a friend.
>
> Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in MP
> with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
> have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?

Sounds like my home game, so I push. Folding KK pre in my home game is
grossly unprofitable, even though you sometimes run into AA. Against a
typical TVSM this is an easy push. I'm ahead 75% of the time as i'm up
against AA, QQ, JJ or TT here.

I folded QQ once pre in my home game to the re-reraise from the original
raiser. In my home game I needed a read in order to make this fold as it
is not automatic with our lineup.

Dean

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Date: 29 Jan 2009 06:59:59
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
> Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in MP
> with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
> have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?

Actually I gave it a little more thought and I would:

Stare right at him and ASK him if he has AA. If he doesn't say anything I
keep looking at him until some asshole calls the clock on me. Then I turn
my head slowly to look at THAT asshole and tell him to fuck off. I then
turn my head back slowly towards Mr AA and flip him off. I wait to see if
there is any action and if he still does not move I move to plan B. I
jump up on the table, pull my pants down, whip out my dick and tell him to
tell ME WTF he has. If he STILL doesn't say anything then I say MY balls
are bigger than YOURS and I go all in. After I zip up and sit back down
that is.

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Date: 29 Jan 2009 11:03:53
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 29 2009 8:59 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in MP
> > with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
> > have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?
>
> Actually I gave it a little more thought and I would:
>
> Stare right at him and ASK him if he has AA. If he doesn't say anything I
> keep looking at him until some asshole calls the clock on me. Then I turn
> my head slowly to look at THAT asshole and tell him to fuck off. I then
> turn my head back slowly towards Mr AA and flip him off. I wait to see if
> there is any action and if he still does not move I move to plan B. I
> jump up on the table, pull my pants down, whip out my dick and tell him to
> tell ME WTF he has. If he STILL doesn't say anything then I say MY balls
> are bigger than YOURS and I go all in. After I zip up and sit back down
> that is.

And when the laughing , over the size of your penis subsides , he reraises
you and shows you just enough of his penis to prove to you that he not
only has a bigger hand , but he also has you in "club" department .
>
> ========================================
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> ========
> BOOM byae
> John


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Date: 29 Jan 2009 11:11:22
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
> And when the crying , over the size of your penis subsides , he reraises
> you

FYP

and FWIW he cant fucking raise ME I went ALL IN!

Boooooong iiiiiinG!

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Date: 29 Jan 2009 07:26:12
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 29 2009 9:59 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in MP
> > with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
> > have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?
>
> Actually I gave it a little more thought and I would:
>
> Stare right at him and ASK him if he has AA. If he doesn't say anything I
> keep looking at him until some asshole calls the clock on me. Then I turn
> my head slowly to look at THAT asshole and tell him to fuck off. I then
> turn my head back slowly towards Mr AA and flip him off. I wait to see if
> there is any action and if he still does not move I move to plan B. I
> jump up on the table, pull my pants down, whip out my dick and tell him to
> tell ME WTF he has. If he STILL doesn't say anything then I say MY balls
> are bigger than YOURS and I go all in. After I zip up and sit back down
> that is.
>
> ========================================
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> ========
> BOOM byae
> John

Facetious it is!

Fell
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Date: 29 Jan 2009 07:10:25
From: charrison100
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 29 2009 9:59 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in MP
> > with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
> > have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?
>
> Actually I gave it a little more thought and I would:
>
> Stare right at him and ASK him if he has AA. If he doesn't say anything I
> keep looking at him until some asshole calls the clock on me. Then I turn
> my head slowly to look at THAT asshole and tell him to fuck off. I then
> turn my head back slowly towards Mr AA and flip him off. I wait to see if
> there is any action and if he still does not move I move to plan B. I
> jump up on the table, pull my pants down, whip out my dick and tell him to
> tell ME WTF he has. If he STILL doesn't say anything then I say MY balls
> are bigger than YOURS and I go all in. After I zip up and sit back down
> that is.
>
> ========================================
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> ========
> BOOM byae
> John

You forgot the step of turning your hand face up to get a reaction. Then
pushing all your chips in and he folds his TT face up calling you an idiot
for showing your hand.

Chris

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anymore." - Paul
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Date: 29 Jan 2009 06:53:40
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
> Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in MP
> with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
> have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?

You fold he has AA. Come on!

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Date: 29 Jan 2009 07:25:32
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 29 2009 9:53 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in MP
> > with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
> > have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?
>
> You fold he has AA. Come on!
>
> ========================================
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> ========
> BOOM byae
> John

Are you being serious or facetious?

Fell
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Date: 29 Jan 2009 08:10:01
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
> John
>
> Are you being serious or facetious?

Are you being optimistic or grave?

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Date: 29 Jan 2009 08:13:11
From: charrison100
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 29 2009 11:10 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > John
> >
> > Are you being serious or facetious?
>
> Are you being optimistic or grave?
>
> ========================================
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> ========
> BOOM byae
> John

Very optomistic if he thinks you're serious.

Chris

"NO! I want this shit to STOP! Right NOW! Nobody takes me serious
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Date: 29 Jan 2009 06:36:02
From: charrison100
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 28 2009 6:45 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> This is not a hand of mine, but it did really happen as was relayed to me
> by a friend.
>
> Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in MP
> with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
> have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra

Push, knowing he'll call with anything and since you said he is a TVSM I
know he'll call with anything and the chances of him having AA or low.

Chris

"NO! I want this shit to STOP! Right NOW! Nobody takes me serious
anymore." - Paul
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Date: 28 Jan 2009 21:01:02
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 28 2009 5:45 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> This is not a hand of mine, but it did really happen as was relayed to me
> by a friend.
>
> Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in MP
> with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
> have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?

RAISE HIS LAME ASS .. they never have better than 88 here.. fuckin NEVER
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra


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Date: 29 Jan 2009 06:16:44
From: GrouchySmurf1002
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 29 2009 12:01 AM, FangBanger wrote:

> On Jan 28 2009 5:45 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
> > This is not a hand of mine, but it did really happen as was relayed to me
> > by a friend.
> >
> > Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in MP
> > with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
> > have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?
>
> RAISE HIS LAME ASS .. they never have better than 88 here.. fuckin NEVER

I would expect to see JJ and TT here alot actually. Doesn't change the
action though.

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Date: 29 Jan 2009 03:48:54
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 29 2009 12:01 AM, FangBanger wrote:

> On Jan 28 2009 5:45 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
> > This is not a hand of mine, but it did really happen as was relayed to me
> > by a friend.
> >
> > Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in MP
> > with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
> > have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?
>
> RAISE HIS LAME ASS .. they never have better than 88 here.. fuckin NEVER
> >
> > ---
> > Morphy
> > xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> > http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> >
> > "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
> >
> > "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> > obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
>
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
> Voltaire

lol you moron. I pretty much guarantee they'll have better than 88 here
every single time.

Fell
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Date: 29 Jan 2009 10:59:03
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 29 2009 5:48 AM, FellKnight wrote:

> On Jan 29 2009 12:01 AM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > On Jan 28 2009 5:45 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> >
> > > This is not a hand of mine, but it did really happen as was relayed to me
> > > by a friend.
> > >
> > > Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in
MP
> > > with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
> > > have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?
> >
> > RAISE HIS LAME ASS .. they never have better than 88 here.. fuckin NEVER
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Morphy
> > > xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> > > http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> > >
> > > "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
> > >
> > > "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> > > obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
> >
> >
> > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
> > Voltaire
>
> lol you moron. I pretty much guarantee they'll have better than 88 here
> every single time.

au contraire my little TVSM .. 30 here means a bigger pair (say JJ-QQ)
40 here might be KK ..but when they are lame enough to make this play it
is always a "small pair " and they want ZERO action

You are simply exhibiting how little B&M poker you play
>
> Fell
> --
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Date: 29 Jan 2009 11:01:41
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 29 2009 12:59 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> au contraire my little TVSM .. 30 here means a bigger pair (say JJ-QQ)
> 40 here might be KK ..but when they are lame enough to make this play it
> is always a "small pair " and they want ZERO action
>
> You are simply exhibiting how little B&M poker you play

Except for this particular hand, which Fell did play and in which his
opponent had JJ.

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Date: 29 Jan 2009 13:15:26
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 29 2009 1:01 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 29 2009 12:59 PM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > au contraire my little TVSM .. 30 here means a bigger pair (say JJ-QQ)
> > 40 here might be KK ..but when they are lame enough to make this play it
> > is always a "small pair " and they want ZERO action
> >
> > You are simply exhibiting how little B&M poker you play
>
> Except for this particular hand, which Fell did play and in which his
> opponent had JJ.
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra

WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN AND SEE KK .. JJ IS A "SMALL PAIR ". The only question
here that is even comprehensible is "Does he have ACES?" .. After that
everything is a moot point


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Date: 29 Jan 2009 13:20:38
From: GrouchySmurf1002
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 29 2009 4:15 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> bigger pair (say JJ-QQ)

> WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN AND SEE KK .. JJ IS A "SMALL PAIR ".

Awesome.

Next you're going to say that when you have KK, JJ is worse than 88.

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Date: 29 Jan 2009 16:31:07
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 29 2009 3:20 PM, GrouchySmurf1002 wrote:

> On Jan 29 2009 4:15 PM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > bigger pair (say JJ-QQ)
>
> > WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN AND SEE KK .. JJ IS A "SMALL PAIR ".
>
> Awesome.
>
> Next you're going to say that when you have KK, JJ is worse than 88.

Axctually , as a snap response 88 might be better against kk than JJ ..
easier to make a straight around an eight than it would be to make a
straight around a J.

I hope i dont have to explain this to you !!


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Date: 29 Jan 2009 16:38:51
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 29 2009 6:31 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> On Jan 29 2009 3:20 PM, GrouchySmurf1002 wrote:
>
> > On Jan 29 2009 4:15 PM, FangBanger wrote:
> >
> > > bigger pair (say JJ-QQ)
> >
> > > WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN AND SEE KK .. JJ IS A "SMALL PAIR ".
> >
> > Awesome.
> >
> > Next you're going to say that when you have KK, JJ is worse than 88.
>
> Axctually , as a snap response 88 might be better against kk than JJ ..
> easier to make a straight around an eight than it would be to make a
> straight around a J.
>
> I hope i dont have to explain this to you !!

i just checked and I was right . If your opponent has KK , you are better
off with 88 than JJ

kk/jj 80.74/18.90 kk/88 79.97/ 19.70
>
>
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
> Voltaire


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Date: 28 Jan 2009 18:58:57
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 28 2009 3:45 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> This is not a hand of mine, but it did really happen as was relayed to me
> by a friend.
>
> Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in MP
> with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
> have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?

Push

>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra


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Date: 28 Jan 2009 18:04:10
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
XaQ Morphy wrote:
> This is not a hand of mine, but it did really happen as was relayed to me
> by a friend.
>
> Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in MP
> with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
> have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?

Re-raise him all-in. The only hand that beats you at this point is AA.
If he has that, will calling save you -- let you fold postflop? What
are you going to do if you call and no King flops, bet out? So if you
check and he bets, now what? If he has AA you're still toast, and if he
flopped a set or two pair you're toast. If he flopped air he'll get
away without paying you off. Make HIM make the decision to commit his
whole stack without seeing the flop.


--
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Date: 28 Jan 2009 16:08:58
From: gtech1
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
Raise, call, or fold.

Fold - not worth talking about
Call - why? Out of position, what do you do if the flop is A42?
Raise - easy. Push it every time. No reason at all to think he has AA.

My last trip to Las Vegas, there was this crazy bald guy from Brooklyn
that made plays like this constantly in a 1/2 $200 buy-in game. One hand
it folded to him in the cutoff and he pushed his whole stack, something
like $175. I instacalled him in the BB with ATd. You have to adjust your
game against guys like this.

On Jan 28 2009 6:45 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> This is not a hand of mine, but it did really happen as was relayed to me
> by a friend.
>
> Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in MP
> with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
> have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra

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Date: 28 Jan 2009 16:08:47
From: Mike Franklin
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 28, 3:45=A0pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> This is not a hand of mine, but it did really happen as was relayed to me
> by a friend.
>
> Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. =A0Folds to typical TVSM in=
MP
> with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. =A0It folds to you in the BB, yo=
u
> have a $300 stack and look down at KK. =A0What do you do?

There's a guy in my home game sng that plays AA about this way, often
shoving pre-flop regardless of the blinds. He hates losing chips with
AA, and they're practically impossible to fold post flop in this game,
(people play TPTK like the immortal nuts), so he just shoves. Any
chips he loses are lost to bad luck, not bad play. And yes, he knows
this is an unprofitable way to play AA, but he doesn't care.

If your TVSM has been raising like this often, then it's not likely to
be aces, and I call. If this is the first time in a long while, then
I put him on aces and fold. If he's just sat down, I still fold,
mostly because I'm a bit of a chicken-shit at cash games, but I figure
I'll have a pretty good shot at his chips if he keeps playing this
way. Maybe he'll tilt the table and I can take advantage of that,
too.

Mike




  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 10:56:36
From:
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 29, 10:21=A0am, "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 29 2009 6:48 AM, johnnycoconutsftp wrote:
>
> > On Jan 28, 7:08=A0pm, Mike Franklin <mkfrn...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > > (people play TPTK like the immortal nuts),
>
> > Holy crap. Someone who used the phrase correctly instead of saying the
> > "mortal nuts". =A0Very nice.
>
> > BTW, "mortal nuts" has to rank on the idiocy meter right up there with
> > "flat call" (as opposed to some other kind of call???) and VVP's "Bob
> > looks down at a wired pair of sixes pre-flop" (as opposed to some
> > other kind of pair pre-flop???) and, my personal non-poker favorite,
> > "I could care less".
>
> "I could care less" is not incorrect. =A0"I couldn't care less" means tha=
t
> you care not at all, and your level of caring could not be reduced. =A0"I
> could care less" is much more snide, and means you care very very little,
> and could care tiny bit less, but not much ("well, I could care less, but
> if I did I wouldn't care at all").
>
> Irregardless...
>
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You may be right, but I couldn't care less irregardless.

;)

"Misunderestimated" is also a favorite after, I think, 43 said it. As
is people saying "historic" when they mean "historical" or vice
versa. And we won't (shan't) re-hash the whole which/that, your/
you're, it's/its ridiculousness again. Nor the random apostrophe's
that people like to adorn any word's that have an s' at the end,
irregardless' of whether you're [sic] trying to make it possess'ive or
not.

Off to my grammar police meeting now. I think their going to make me
they're president today.





  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 06:48:06
From:
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 28, 7:08=A0pm, Mike Franklin <mkfrn...@msn.com > wrote:

> (people play TPTK like the immortal nuts),


Holy crap. Someone who used the phrase correctly instead of saying the
"mortal nuts". Very nice.

BTW, "mortal nuts" has to rank on the idiocy meter right up there with
"flat call" (as opposed to some other kind of call???) and VVP's "Bob
looks down at a wired pair of sixes pre-flop" (as opposed to some
other kind of pair pre-flop???) and, my personal non-poker favorite,
"I could care less".



   
Date: 29 Jan 2009 07:24:48
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 29 2009 9:48 AM, johnnycoconutsftp wrote:

> On Jan 28, 7:08 pm, Mike Franklin <mkfrn...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > (people play TPTK like the immortal nuts),
>
>
> Holy crap. Someone who used the phrase correctly instead of saying the
> "mortal nuts". Very nice.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say mortal nuts. It's always
immortal nuts.

> BTW, "mortal nuts" has to rank on the idiocy meter right up there with
> "flat call" (as opposed to some other kind of call???) and VVP's "Bob
> looks down at a wired pair of sixes pre-flop" (as opposed to some
> other kind of pair pre-flop???) and, my personal non-poker favorite,
> "I could care less".

Or as Morphy would say of VVP:

"He got a wired pocket pair of matching 9s in the hole Mike!"

Fell
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Date: 29 Jan 2009 15:03:04
From: Mark B [Diputsur]
Subject: Re: Live hand situation

"FellKnight" <jordandevenport@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:0bu856xfjo.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 29 2009 9:48 AM, johnnycoconutsftp wrote:
>
>> On Jan 28, 7:08 pm, Mike Franklin <mkfrn...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> > (people play TPTK like the immortal nuts),
>>
>>
>> Holy crap. Someone who used the phrase correctly instead of saying the
>> "mortal nuts". Very nice.
>
> I don't think I've ever heard anyone say mortal nuts. It's always
> immortal nuts.
>
>> BTW, "mortal nuts" has to rank on the idiocy meter right up there with


Yous all is ideyots!

Mortal nuts: when you flop (or turn) the current nut hand,
but cards may come which weaken your holding... you're
not unbeatable.

Immortal nuts: should be obvious. Doesn't matter if there
are cards to come, you can't be beat! (think top side of
a straight flush, or quad aces - or any nut hand on the river)




   
Date: 29 Jan 2009 07:21:24
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 29 2009 6:48 AM, johnnycoconutsftp wrote:

> On Jan 28, 7:08 pm, Mike Franklin <mkfrn...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > (people play TPTK like the immortal nuts),
>
>
> Holy crap. Someone who used the phrase correctly instead of saying the
> "mortal nuts". Very nice.
>
> BTW, "mortal nuts" has to rank on the idiocy meter right up there with
> "flat call" (as opposed to some other kind of call???) and VVP's "Bob
> looks down at a wired pair of sixes pre-flop" (as opposed to some
> other kind of pair pre-flop???) and, my personal non-poker favorite,
> "I could care less".

"I could care less" is not incorrect. "I couldn't care less" means that
you care not at all, and your level of caring could not be reduced. "I
could care less" is much more snide, and means you care very very little,
and could care tiny bit less, but not much ("well, I could care less, but
if I did I wouldn't care at all").

Irregardless...



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Date: 28 Jan 2009 16:04:46
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 28 2009 5:45 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> This is not a hand of mine, but it did really happen as was relayed to me
> by a friend.
>
> Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in MP
> with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
> have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?
>

$100 to capture $3?

Well, you gotta ask yourself is this someone with AA that is trying to
represent a TVSM with a middle pair or a TVSM with a middle pair. Well,
do you feel lucky punk?

Muck. If he truly is a moron, I'll get his money anyway.

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Date: 28 Jan 2009 19:16:59
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:04:46 -0800, "Will_gamble"
<a1794@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>On Jan 28 2009 5:45 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

>> This is not a hand of mine, but it did really happen as was relayed to me
>> by a friend.

>> Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in MP
>> with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
>> have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?

>$100 to capture $3?

>Well, you gotta ask yourself is this someone with AA that is trying to
>represent a TVSM with a middle pair or a TVSM with a middle pair. Well,
>do you feel lucky punk?

>Muck. If he truly is a moron, I'll get his money anyway.

Not if someone else does first.


   
Date: 28 Jan 2009 17:00:42
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
> Not if someone else does first.

There will always be another moron to take his place at $1/2. No hurry.

If it's someone I would never fold kings to preflop in a more standard 3rd
raise situation, I would move in here. If it's someone against whom I
would potentially fold kings to their 3rd raise, I would fold here.

You didn't provide enough information to tell me which he is, but it's
usually not that hard to guess which is the correct course of action for a
given opponent based on previous action. My bias would be towards moving
in. At $10/20 my bias would be towards folding.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

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Date: 28 Jan 2009 16:37:03
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 28 2009 6:16 PM, A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:04:46 -0800, "Will_gamble"
> <a1794@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On Jan 28 2009 5:45 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
> >> This is not a hand of mine, but it did really happen as was relayed to me
> >> by a friend.
>
> >> Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in MP
> >> with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
> >> have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?
>
> >$100 to capture $3?
>
> >Well, you gotta ask yourself is this someone with AA that is trying to
> >represent a TVSM with a middle pair or a TVSM with a middle pair. Well,
> >do you feel lucky punk?
>
> >Muck. If he truly is a moron, I'll get his money anyway.
>
> Not if someone else does first.

good point and that was something I never considered when deciding what to
do.

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Date: 28 Jan 2009 15:58:41
From: GrouchySmurf1002
Subject: Re: Live hand situation
On Jan 28 2009 6:45 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> This is not a hand of mine, but it did really happen as was relayed to me
> by a friend.
>
> Ok situation is $1/$2 NLHE at a casino in AC. Folds to typical TVSM in MP
> with about $300 who makes it $100 to go. It folds to you in the BB, you
> have a $300 stack and look down at KK. What do you do?

In AC? Shove all day long.

And that's being sure that since you posted it, he either folded or
should've folded against AA.

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