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Date: 14 Jan 2009 08:54:43
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Israel vs. Iran - just a matter of time
It's not a question of "if" Israel and Iran will get in a shooting war.
It's a question of "when".
Israel is completely surrounded and out numbered 500 to 1 by muslims who
have sworn to destroy it and slaughter all the Jews. Muslims who constantly
call for their followers to murder Israeli men, women and children by any
means possible, including suicide bombing. And they tell these followers
that if they die murdering Jews they will go to heaven and have 72 virgins.
The muslims worked with Hitler
in WWII to murder Jews. The muslims launched the "six day war" against
Israel in the 1960s.
They've sent hundreds of terrorists and suicide bombers to murder Israeli
women and
children. They attacked and murdered Israeli athletes at the Olympics.
Israel offered them their own country at the Camp David meetings in the
1990s. They rejected the offer and chose to send in more
terrorists and suicide bombers. Hezbollah crossed the border from Lebanon
in to Israel and
attacked, killed and kidnapped Israeli citizens. The Israelis
pulled their people out of Gaza and gave it to the Palestinians to promote
peace. Hamas rejected peace and used Gaza as a base to fire thousands of
rockets in to Israeli cities and towns. Both Hamas and Hezbollah have
repeatedly vowed to destroy Israel and murder all the Jews. Iran is
developing nuclear weapons and their leader has
repeatedly said there can never be peace with Israel. He has repeatedly and
publicly vowed to destroy Israel and drive all of the Jews in to the sea.
America just elected an ultra liberal, retreat-and-surrender commander in
chief who spent 20 years attending a church that preached anti-Semitic
ideology. Then lied about it.

So put yourself in Israel's shoes for a minute. If you were surrounded and
greatly out numbered by an enemy who says there can never be peace between
you. Who has repeatedly vowed to destroy your country and slaughter every
man, woman and child. Who has attacked your citizens repeatedly on your own
soil with suicide bombers. Who has launched a war of invasion against you.
And has fired thousands of rockets in to your towns and cities. And now
this enemy is on the verge of developing a nuclear weapon. And your main
ally just elected a weak, inexperienced leader who says he's going to cut
and run out of the area as soon as he can. What would you do?

Irish Mike






 
Date: 14 Jan 2009 23:52:06
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Israel vs. Iran - just a matter of time
Today, i spoke with a guy who said Obama was more experienced than Bush
was at the beginning of his presidency because as a Senator he saw more of
the global issues and knew more than a governor would. I tried to explain
that Bush's dad was president but that didn't make a difference.
On Jan 14 2009 8:54 AM, Irish Mike wrote:

> It's not a question of "if" Israel and Iran will get in a shooting war.
> It's a question of "when".
> Israel is completely surrounded and out numbered 500 to 1 by muslims who
> have sworn to destroy it and slaughter all the Jews. Muslims who constantly
> call for their followers to murder Israeli men, women and children by any
> means possible, including suicide bombing. And they tell these followers
> that if they die murdering Jews they will go to heaven and have 72 virgins.
> The muslims worked with Hitler
> in WWII to murder Jews. The muslims launched the "six day war" against
> Israel in the 1960s.
> They've sent hundreds of terrorists and suicide bombers to murder Israeli
> women and
> children. They attacked and murdered Israeli athletes at the Olympics.
> Israel offered them their own country at the Camp David meetings in the
> 1990s. They rejected the offer and chose to send in more
> terrorists and suicide bombers. Hezbollah crossed the border from Lebanon
> in to Israel and
> attacked, killed and kidnapped Israeli citizens. The Israelis
> pulled their people out of Gaza and gave it to the Palestinians to promote
> peace. Hamas rejected peace and used Gaza as a base to fire thousands of
> rockets in to Israeli cities and towns. Both Hamas and Hezbollah have
> repeatedly vowed to destroy Israel and murder all the Jews. Iran is
> developing nuclear weapons and their leader has
> repeatedly said there can never be peace with Israel. He has repeatedly and
> publicly vowed to destroy Israel and drive all of the Jews in to the sea.
> America just elected an ultra liberal, retreat-and-surrender commander in
> chief who spent 20 years attending a church that preached anti-Semitic
> ideology. Then lied about it.
>
> So put yourself in Israel's shoes for a minute. If you were surrounded and
> greatly out numbered by an enemy who says there can never be peace between
> you. Who has repeatedly vowed to destroy your country and slaughter every
> man, woman and child. Who has attacked your citizens repeatedly on your own
> soil with suicide bombers. Who has launched a war of invasion against you.
> And has fired thousands of rockets in to your towns and cities. And now
> this enemy is on the verge of developing a nuclear weapon. And your main
> ally just elected a weak, inexperienced leader who says he's going to cut
> and run out of the area as soon as he can. What would you do?
>
> Irish Mike


Atheism is drawing dead

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Date: 14 Jan 2009 18:51:30
From:
Subject: Re: Israel vs. Iran - just a matter of time
On Jan 14, 8:54=A0am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> It's not a question of "if" Israel and Iran will get in a shooting war.
> It's a question of "when".

When did Israel become part of the United States of America? Israel
has a problem, do they? Let them deal with it.

I am sick of America putting itself in daily jeapordy so some pissant
country can hold onto a piece of crappy land. Clearly, the cost/
benefit ratio of our relationship with Israel sucks. Our support of
Israel is the worst foreign policy decision in the history of this
country.

Can I ask you something? Why do you give a flying crap about Israel?
Do you think it's worth the security of this country? Is it worth
thousands of American lives? Because that's what happening.

What does Israel give us? An ally in the Middle East? And why do we
need an ally in the Middle East? Because our support of Israel!!!!!!
Do you see the problem here?

Dump Israel, and the security of our country improves immediately.
Hell, even Osama Bin Laden says he'll call off the jihad if we changed
our foreign policy with respect to Israel. Dump Israel, and Arab
countries - the key to all that oil - will be our buddies.

So, Irish Mike, are you an American? Do you love this country? If so,
WHY IN THE HELL do you support our foreign policy on Israel? Would you
die for Israel, Mike? Would you die so that some foreign citizen can
build a shack in the desert? That's what the purpose of the U.S. is?
To support Israel at all possible costs, even if it causes enormous
reprocussions?

Can I ask, Irish Mike, why do you like Israel so much? Because you're
a good Republican, and that's the way you are supposed to think? Do
you ever think a little deeper about this issue?

Lastly, my comments have nothing to do with liking Israel or not. This
is simply a cost/benefit analysis. And anyone with half a brain can
see the cost far outweighs the benefit.

JG


  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 23:04:49
From: dsm1
Subject: Re: Israel vs. Iran - just a matter of time

> Why do you give a flying crap about Israel?

--"Americans have a strong preference for free societies over
tyrannies and understand that the real underdog in the Middle East is
the tiny state of Israel struggling to survive in a sea of medieval
hate."

We share values with Israel that we don't share with arab nations:
women's rights, gay rights (Israel that has annual gay pride days),
"Israel has an independent and highly liberal judiciary", "Israel has
a leftist press", "Israel has been governed more by leftist, even
socialist, parties than by rightist ones."

--"Israel has missiles capable of reaching as far as the former Soviet
Union, it possesses a nuclear arsenal of hundreds of weapons, and it
has cooperated with the U.S. military-industrial complex with research
and development for new jet fighters and anti-missile defense
systems.
Plus, Israel's intelligence service has assisted the U.S. in
intelligence gathering and covert operations."






 
Date: 14 Jan 2009 14:57:58
From: Schmedley
Subject: Re: Israel vs. Iran - just a matter of time

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:D8mbl.1963$%54.878@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...

> The muslims launched the "six day war" against
>Israel in the 1960s.

OK to nit pick?

Nasser kicked out the UN border force in the Sinai and mobilized, then
Israel preempted (June 1967).

Sadat attacked Israel in the Yom Kipper War in 1973. Despite losing a
tactical decision, the attack gave Sadat enough credibility to enage in
bilateral peace talks later that decade.

Neither Sadat or Nasser would fit under any definition of a modern Islamist.
More like Pan-Arab socialists. Sadat was killed in 1980 by nascent
Islamists.



  
Date: 14 Jan 2009 15:28:19
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Israel vs. Iran - just a matter of time

"Schmedley" <schmegegel@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:-eWdnentY4ec2fPUnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@ptd.net...
> .
> More like Pan-Arab socialists. Sadat was killed in 1980 by nascent
> Islamists.
>

Even more nitpickery -

The 'muslim brotherhood', which is regarded as the founders of modern day
islamo-fascism began in Egypt back in the 1920's. So it can hardly be
described as "nascent" in 1980. Nor could their lunatic principles be
correctly described as such as early as, hummm, I'm going with like 870 AD?





 
Date: 14 Jan 2009 06:07:37
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Israel vs. Iran - just a matter of time
On Jan 14 2009 7:54 AM, Irish Mike wrote:

> What would you do?
>
> Irish Mike

As Sam Kinison said about starving Ethiopians... "Go where the food is,
it's a desert"

Pack up and move to Montana.

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Date: 14 Jan 2009 07:42:21
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: Israel vs. Iran - just a matter of time
On Jan 14, 6:07=A0am, "Will_gamble" <a1...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 14 2009 7:54 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> > What would you do?
>
> > Irish Mike
>
> As Sam Kinison said about starving Ethiopians... =A0"Go where the food is=
,
> it's a desert"
>
> Pack up and move to Montana.
>
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Sam was great, but it was more like "THEY LIVE IN A FUCKING
DESERT!!!!!!!!!!!! DON'T SEND THEM FOOD, SEND THEM A FUCKING U-HAUL TO
GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE!
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!"





   
Date: 14 Jan 2009 09:00:24
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Israel vs. Iran - just a matter of time
On Jan 14 2009 9:42 AM, Porsche_Dan wrote:

> On Jan 14, 6:07 am, "Will_gamble" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > On Jan 14 2009 7:54 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >
> > > What would you do?
> >
> > > Irish Mike
> >
> > As Sam Kinison said about starving Ethiopians...  "Go where the food is,
> > it's a desert"
> >
> > Pack up and move to Montana.
> >
> Sam was great, but it was more like "THEY LIVE IN A FUCKING
> DESERT!!!!!!!!!!!! DON'T SEND THEM FOOD, SEND THEM A FUCKING U-HAUL TO
> GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE!
> AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!"

The good die young.

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Date: 14 Jan 2009 18:19:19
From: bub
Subject: Re: Israel vs. Iran - just a matter of time
"we got deserts in the united states, we just don't live in
them,assholes"

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:00:24 -0800, "Will_gamble"
<a1794@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>On Jan 14 2009 9:42 AM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
>> On Jan 14, 6:07 am, "Will_gamble" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>> > On Jan 14 2009 7:54 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
>> >
>> > > What would you do?
>> >
>> > > Irish Mike
>> >
>> > As Sam Kinison said about starving Ethiopians...  "Go where the food is,
>> > it's a desert"
>> >
>> > Pack up and move to Montana.
>> >
>> Sam was great, but it was more like "THEY LIVE IN A FUCKING
>> DESERT!!!!!!!!!!!! DON'T SEND THEM FOOD, SEND THEM A FUCKING U-HAUL TO
>> GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE!
>> AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!"
>
>The good die young.
>
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