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Date: 06 Jan 2009 13:13:04
From: Wayne
Subject: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701

Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
again. Clearly the most moral army in history.




 
Date: 13 Jan 2009 10:40:09
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
Halliburtin was on the brink of filing bankruptsy and had to get a new
contract!
War is a mega money game, getting from one place to the next requires
squashing ants
and they blame it on religion!!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


 
Date: 07 Jan 2009 19:05:38
From: RAZZO RUSS SUCK THE BIG ONE
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
no the most moral army was hitler's 7 million jews. put down the guns and
live in peace. we all saw the brutality of arabs in irak(beheadings) so
what do you think will happen if they lose.


On Jan 6 2009 4:13 PM, Wayne wrote:

> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
>
> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.


BEND OVER RAZZO RUSS

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Date: 07 Jan 2009 13:31:27
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 7, 4:02=A0pm, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com > wrote:
> <cccro...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > > How do you think Iran is getting the munitions in?
>
> > > I'm at a loss to explain it myself.
>
> > It might have something to do with the Mediterranean Sea.
>
> Or the fact that Israeli middle-men have no problem with this profit
> opportunity.
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> You know very little about folks in Israel.

But he knows an immense amount about the Protocols of the Elders of
Zion, I am sure.

--
Will in New Haven


 
Date: 07 Jan 2009 10:03:54
From:
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 7, 6:03=A0am, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com > wrote:
> "Clave"
>
> >> Because Gaza is fenced in. Blockaded. Surrounded by barbed wire and
> >> machine-gun wielding IDF soldiers, Israeli warships patrolling Gaza's
> >> shores. There's no place for them to go. Effectively, an occupation.
>
> > How do you think Iran is getting the munitions in?
>
> > I'm at a loss to explain it myself.
>
> It might have something to do with the Mediterranean Sea.

Or the fact that Israeli middle-men have no problem with this profit
opportunity.

Croupe


  
Date: 07 Jan 2009 14:26:23
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
<cccroupe@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:191c13d7-7c43-4974-b27e-dd12dc0adb62@n10g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 7, 6:03 am, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com > wrote:
> "Clave"
>
> >> Because Gaza is fenced in. Blockaded. Surrounded by barbed wire and
> >> machine-gun wielding IDF soldiers, Israeli warships patrolling Gaza's
> >> shores. There's no place for them to go. Effectively, an occupation.
>
> > How do you think Iran is getting the munitions in?
>
> > I'm at a loss to explain it myself.
>
> It might have something to do with the Mediterranean Sea.

Or the fact that Israeli middle-men have no problem with this profit
opportunity.
======================================================================

That sounds more like it.

Jim




  
Date: 07 Jan 2009 15:02:38
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
<cccroupe@gmail.com > wrote

> > How do you think Iran is getting the munitions in?
>
> > I'm at a loss to explain it myself.
>
> It might have something to do with the Mediterranean Sea.

Or the fact that Israeli middle-men have no problem with this profit
opportunity.
========================

You know very little about folks in Israel.




   
Date: 07 Jan 2009 17:09:16
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 7 2009 4:02 PM, da pickle wrote:

> <cccroupe@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > > How do you think Iran is getting the munitions in?
> >
> > > I'm at a loss to explain it myself.
> >
> > It might have something to do with the Mediterranean Sea.
>
> Or the fact that Israeli middle-men have no problem with this profit
> opportunity.
> ========================
>
> You know very little about folks in Israel.

Jeez, generalize much?

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Date: 08 Jan 2009 14:03:35
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
"ChrisRobin"

>> Or the fact that Israeli middle-men have no problem with this profit
>> opportunity.
>> ========================
>>
>> You know very little about folks in Israel.
>
> Jeez, generalize much?

Let's see ... you must be referring to:

"Or the fact that Israeli middle-men have no problem with this profit
opportunity."

I agree.




 
Date: 07 Jan 2009 04:29:23
From: cappeca
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
> "BillB" <bogus@shaw1.ca> wrote in message
> news:BE%8l.68954$lX6.58600@newsfe06.iad...
> >
> > "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:rs_8l.3715$BC4.419@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
> >
> >> Hint : Isreal is on the side of RIGHT here.
> >
> > lol...life must be so easy being such a simpleton.
> You're about the only one who'd know.
>
> I realize you're canadian, so you don't understand fighting for a cause, of
> course.

Yeah, religious fanatics and terrorists understand it best. But I
realize you're american, so you're pretty much an idiot, of course.


  
Date: 12 Jan 2009 14:53:00
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza

"cappeca" <cappeca@godisdead.com > wrote in message
news:97cd8442-211e-4d34-ba62-5b42214836d6@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
>> "BillB" <bogus@shaw1.ca> wrote in message
>> news:BE%8l.68954$lX6.58600@newsfe06.iad...
>> >
>> > "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> > news:rs_8l.3715$BC4.419@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>> >
>> >> Hint : Isreal is on the side of RIGHT here.
>> >
>> > lol...life must be so easy being such a simpleton.
>> You're about the only one who'd know.
>>
>> I realize you're canadian, so you don't understand fighting for a cause,
>> of
>> course.
>
> Yeah, religious fanatics and terrorists understand it best.
No, they understand it worst.
People who wish to be free of them understand it best.

But I
> realize you're american, so you're pretty much smarter than I ever will be

FYP




 
Date: 07 Jan 2009 02:53:00
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6, 10:15=A0pm, Calimero <calimero...@gmx.de > wrote:
> On Jan 6, 10:13=A0pm, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=3D80881=A7ionid=3D351021701
>
> LOL!
> Iran!!!!
>
> > Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> > again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
>
> Despair and die, Nazi scum ...

How is zionazi scum better than nazi scum?


 
Date: 07 Jan 2009 02:51:42
From: Fan
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6, 10:13=A0pm, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=3D80881=A7ionid=3D351021701
>
> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.

But they are the victims...


  
Date: 07 Jan 2009 19:31:40
From: RAZZO RUSS SUCK THE BIG ONE
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
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don't forget these victums



Chronology of suicide bombings against Israel

Here is a list of the 70 Palestinian suicide bombing attacks targeting
Israelis since violence erupted in September 2000:

2000

• Oct. 26: Israeli outpost in Gaza; no Israelis killed.

• Dec. 22: Restaurant in Jordan River Valley; no Israelis killed.

2001

• Jan. 1: Netanya; no Israelis killed, 60 injured.

• March 1: One killed in taxi near Mei Ami.

• March 4: Three killed in Netanya.

• March 27: Jerusalem's French Hill neighborhood; no Israelis killed.

• March 28: Gas station near Sdeh Hemed; two killed.

• April 22: Kfar Saba; one killed.

• April 29: Car near Israeli bus outside Nablus; no Israelis killed.

• May 18: Netanya shopping mall; five killed.

• May 25: Truck at Carni Junction in Gaza Strip; no Israelis killed.

• June 1: Dolphinarium nightclub in Tel Aviv; 21 killed.

• June 22: Jeep at Dugit in Gaza Strip; two killed.

• July 9: Car near Kissufim Junction; no Israelis killed.

• July 16: Binyamina train station; two killed.

• Aug. 8: Military checkpoint in Jordan Valley; no Israelis killed.

• Aug. 9: Sbarro pizzeria in Jerusalem; 15 killed.

• Aug. 12: Kiryat Motzkin; no Israelis killed, 21 injured.

• Sept. 4: Haneviim Street in Jerusalem; no Israelis killed.

• Sept. 9: Nahariya train station; three killed.

• Sept. 9: Car at Beit Lid Junction; no Israelis killed.

• Oct. 7: Near Kibbutz Shluhot; one killed.

• Oct. 17: Nahal Oz; no Israelis killed.

• Nov. 8: Baka al-Sharkiyeh, West Bank; no Israelis killed.

• Nov. 26: Erez crossing, Gaza Strip; no Israelis killed.

• Nov. 29: Gan Shmuel bus; three killed.

• Dec. 1: Double suicide bombing on Ben Yehuda pedestrian mall in
Jerusalem; 11 killed.

• Dec. 2: Bus in Haifa; 15 killed.

• Dec. 5: King David Street in Jerusalem; no Israelis killed.

• Dec. 9: Haifa; no Israelis killed.

• Dec. 12: Gaza Strip; no Israelis killed.

2002

• Jan. 25: Tel Aviv; no Israelis killed.

• Jan. 27: Female bomber in Jaffa Street in Jerusalem; one killed.

• Jan. 30: Taibe; no Israelis killed.

• Feb. 8: Mei Ami; no Israelis killed.

• Feb. 16: Karnei Shomron, West Bank; two killed.

• Feb. 18: Maale Adumim; one killed.

• Feb. 19: Mehola; no Israelis killed.

• Feb. 22: Efrat supermarket in West Bank; no Israelis killed.

• Feb. 27: Female bomber near Maccabim checkpoint; no Israelis killed.

• March 2: Mea Shearim, Jerusalem; 10 killed.

• March 5: Bus in Afula; one killed.

• March 7: Ariel; no Israelis killed.

• March 8: Beit Hanina; no Israelis killed.

• March 9: Moment Cafe in Jerusalem; 11 killed.

• March 14: Car on a road east of Jerusalem; no Israelis killed.

• March 17: Bus in French Hill in Jerusalem; no Israelis killed.

• March 20: Bus in Kfar Musmus; seven killed.

• March 21: King George Street in Jerusalem; three killed.

• March 22: Roadblock near Jenin; no Israelis killed.

• March 26: Near Malha Mall in Jerusalem; no Israelis killed.

• March 27: Hotel in Netanya; 29 killed.

• March 29: Kiryat Yovel supermarket in Jerusalem; two killed.

• March 30: Coffee shop in Tel Aviv; one woman killed.

• March 31: Restaurant in Haifa; 15 killed.

• March 31: Ambulance station in Efrat, West Bank; no Israelis killed.

• April 1: Car in Jerusalem; one killed.

• April 10: Bus in Haifa; eight killed.

• April 12: Female bomber at the market in Jerusalem; six killed.

• April 19: Kissufim in Gaza Strip; no Israelis killed.

• April 20: Checkpoint near Qalqiliya in West Bank; no Israelis killed.

• May 7: Pool hall in Rishon Letzion; 15 killed.

• May 19: Market in Netanya; three killed.

• May 20: Taanakhim Junction; no Israelis killed.

• May 22: Park in Rishon Letzion; two killed.

• May 27: Ice-cream parlor in Petach Tikvah; two killed.

• June 5: Bus near Megiddo Junction; 17 killed.

• June 11: Restaurant in Herzliya; one killed.

• June 17: Marja; no Israelis killed.

• June 18: Patt Junction in Jerusalem; 19 killed.

• June 19: Jerusalem; seven killed.




On Jan 7 2009 5:51 AM, Fan wrote:

>
> But they are the victims...

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Date: 06 Jan 2009 20:42:31
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6 2009 2:13 PM, Wayne wrote:

> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
>
> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.

It looks like almost all of the respondees would have been supporters of
Hitler if they had been around in the 1930's. Excepting, of course, the
ones who are Jewish.

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Date: 06 Jan 2009 23:51:56
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6 2009 11:42 PM, risky biz wrote:

> On Jan 6 2009 2:13 PM, Wayne wrote:
>
> > http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> >
> > Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> > again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
>
> It looks like almost all of the respondees would have been supporters of
> Hitler if they had been around in the 1930's. Excepting, of course, the
> ones who are Jewish.

I'm literally beside myself at the savagery of some of these assholes.
Apparently Israel pulled out just far enough the ring Gaza with barbed
wire, machine guns, and warships... but I guess it's not PC to mention
this.

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Date: 07 Jan 2009 08:25:49
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 7 2009 2:51 AM, ChrisRobin wrote:

> On Jan 6 2009 11:42 PM, risky biz wrote:
>
> > On Jan 6 2009 2:13 PM, Wayne wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> > >
> > > Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> > > again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
> >
> > It looks like almost all of the respondees would have been supporters of
> > Hitler if they had been around in the 1930's. Excepting, of course, the
> > ones who are Jewish.
>
> I'm literally beside myself at the savagery of some of these assholes.
> Apparently Israel pulled out just far enough the ring Gaza with barbed
> wire, machine guns, and warships... but I guess it's not PC to mention
> this.

Hamas launches rockets which specifically target innocent Israel
civilians, and they launch them from SCHOOLS and HOSPITALS and MOSQUES,
while advocating the total destruction of Israel...and you choose to be
"beside yourself" about the savagery of the side fighting Hamas, because
they have launched a military response seeking to put an end to the
launching of these rockets...well done!!!

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Date: 07 Jan 2009 05:28:12
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza

"ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:sh3e36x2t4.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 6 2009 11:42 PM, risky biz wrote:
>
>> On Jan 6 2009 2:13 PM, Wayne wrote:
>>
>> > http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
>> >
>> > Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
>> > again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
>>
>> It looks like almost all of the respondees would have been supporters of
>> Hitler if they had been around in the 1930's. Excepting, of course, the
>> ones who are Jewish.
>
> I'm literally beside myself at the savagery of some of these assholes.
> Apparently Israel pulled out just far enough the ring Gaza with barbed
> wire, machine guns, and warships... but I guess it's not PC to mention
> this.

"I'm literally beside myself at the savagery of some of these assholes."

Well bucko, before your little liberal brain explodes, you might want to
find out how Israel came to occupy Gaza in the first place. You can start
with "the six day war", which the muslims initiated. In addition, Hamas
doesn't have much trouble getting terrorists, weapons, ammunition and
explosives in to Gaza from Egypt. Maybe you could ask them to pick up some
bread and milk for the kids on their next trip. When Israel pulled out of
Gaza and gave it to the Palesteineans, Hamas could have become committed to
peace and to building up their land and improving life for their citizens.
Instead, Hamas remained committed to war, blood, vengence, terrorism and
their vow to destroy Israel and slaughter all the Jews. Hamas wanted this
war to justify their political existence. That's why they fired thousands
of rockets in to Israel, while hiding behind women and children. The only
thing that surprises me is how long it took Israel to finally retaliate.

Irish Mike




   
Date: 07 Jan 2009 09:19:19
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza

"ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:sh3e36x2t4.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 6 2009 11:42 PM, risky biz wrote:
>
>> On Jan 6 2009 2:13 PM, Wayne wrote:
>>
>> > http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
>> >
>> > Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
>> > again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
>>
>> It looks like almost all of the respondees would have been supporters of
>> Hitler if they had been around in the 1930's. Excepting, of course, the
>> ones who are Jewish.
>
> I'm literally beside myself at the savagery of some of these assholes.
> Apparently Israel pulled out just far enough the ring Gaza with barbed
> wire, machine guns, and warships... but I guess it's not PC to mention
> this.
>
Robin, you fucking nutbag.
Who shot first, and for how long?

Hint : Isreal is on the side of RIGHT here.






    
Date: 07 Jan 2009 17:34:22
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 7 2009 4:19 AM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:

> "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:sh3e36x2t4.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Jan 6 2009 11:42 PM, risky biz wrote:
> >
> >> On Jan 6 2009 2:13 PM, Wayne wrote:
> >>
> >> > http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> >> >
> >> > Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> >> > again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
> >>
> >> It looks like almost all of the respondees would have been supporters of
> >> Hitler if they had been around in the 1930's. Excepting, of course, the
> >> ones who are Jewish.
> >
> > I'm literally beside myself at the savagery of some of these assholes.
> > Apparently Israel pulled out just far enough the ring Gaza with barbed
> > wire, machine guns, and warships... but I guess it's not PC to mention
> > this.
> >
> Robin, you fucking nutbag.
> Who shot first, and for how long?
>
> Hint : Isreal is on the side of RIGHT here.

Thanks for that well reasoned explanation, lol.

Next time I'm kidnapped and stuffed into someone's trunk, I'll remember
not to punch back.

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Date: 07 Jan 2009 02:40:33
From: BillB
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza

"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:rs_8l.3715$BC4.419@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...

> Hint : Isreal is on the side of RIGHT here.

lol...life must be so easy being such a simpleton.




     
Date: 08 Jan 2009 16:52:19
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
BillB wrote:
> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:rs_8l.3715$BC4.419@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>
>> Hint : Isreal is on the side of RIGHT here.
>
> lol...life must be so easy being such a simpleton.

Sometimes, as in this case, simple answers are right.

Israel has every right to exist, and to defend itself from attack.
Israel is not prolonging the struggle, they would love to be at peace
with all of their neighbors. It is the Palestinians who have the power
to end the cycle of violence whenever they are prepared to do so.


--
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Somewhere on the Range


     
Date: 07 Jan 2009 10:59:10
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza

"BillB" <bogus@shaw1.ca > wrote in message
news:BE%8l.68954$lX6.58600@newsfe06.iad...
>
> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:rs_8l.3715$BC4.419@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>
>> Hint : Isreal is on the side of RIGHT here.
>
> lol...life must be so easy being such a simpleton.
You're about the only one who'd know.

I realize you're canadian, so you don't understand fighting for a cause, of
course.

>




 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 18:52:38
From: Bill Vanek
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
Well, as they say, it's a start.


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 19:41:23
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
Wayne wrote:
> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
>
> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.

Yeah, war is hell, isn't it? All the nice folks in Gaza did was shoot
some little ol' rockets into Israel, and ... and ... Israel fought
back!!! <sputter! outrage!!! >

I guess in WWII we should have had only a "proportionate" response to
Pearl Harbor. How depraved that we actually carried the war to the
country that attacked us, and killed civilians!!!


--
Joe Long aka ChipRider
Somewhere on the Range


  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 20:39:25
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6 2009 7:41 PM, Joe Long wrote:

> Wayne wrote:
> > http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> >
> > Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> > again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
>
> Yeah, war is hell, isn't it? All the nice folks in Gaza did was shoot
> some little ol' rockets into Israel, and ... and ... Israel fought
> back!!! <sputter! outrage!!!>
>
> I guess in WWII we should have had only a "proportionate" response to
> Pearl Harbor. How depraved that we actually carried the war to the
> country that attacked us, and killed civilians!!!

Let's see- the Palestinians attacked the Jews in Europe and America in
1936 and the Jews retaliated by invading Palestine- right? Is that the
analogy you're trying to make?

By the way- congratulations on Sarah Palin being elected Vice-President of
the United States.

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Date: 08 Jan 2009 16:39:23
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
risky biz wrote:
> On Jan 6 2009 7:41 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>
>> Wayne wrote:
>>> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
>>>
>>> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
>>> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.

>> Yeah, war is hell, isn't it? All the nice folks in Gaza did was shoot
>> some little ol' rockets into Israel, and ... and ... Israel fought
>> back!!! <sputter! outrage!!!>
>>
>> I guess in WWII we should have had only a "proportionate" response to
>> Pearl Harbor. How depraved that we actually carried the war to the
>> country that attacked us, and killed civilians!!!
>
> Let's see- the Palestinians attacked the Jews in Europe and America in
> 1936 and the Jews retaliated by invading Palestine- right? Is that the
> analogy you're trying to make?

Of course not. Israel was created by the U.N. and then successfully
defended itself from attack by its neighbors. It is a fully legitimate
state, as legitimate as the U.S. itself.

The point was that a "proportionate response" would be one doomed to
failure and continued attacks. Israel MUST use overwhelming force to
defeat such a fanatical enemy. And they well know that final victory
over that fanaticism will take a long time (it's been 60 years and could
be another 100). But they have no other alternative, except suicide.


--
Joe Long aka ChipRider
Somewhere on the Range


    
Date: 08 Jan 2009 19:31:04
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 8 2009 4:39 PM, Joe Long wrote:

> risky biz wrote:
> > On Jan 6 2009 7:41 PM, Joe Long wrote:
> >
> >> Wayne wrote:
> >>> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> >>>
> >>> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> >>> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
>
> >> Yeah, war is hell, isn't it? All the nice folks in Gaza did was shoot
> >> some little ol' rockets into Israel, and ... and ... Israel fought
> >> back!!! <sputter! outrage!!!>
> >>
> >> I guess in WWII we should have had only a "proportionate" response to
> >> Pearl Harbor. How depraved that we actually carried the war to the
> >> country that attacked us, and killed civilians!!!
> >
> > Let's see- the Palestinians attacked the Jews in Europe and America in
> > 1936 and the Jews retaliated by invading Palestine- right? Is that the
> > analogy you're trying to make?
>
> Of course not. Israel was created by the U.N. and then successfully
> defended itself from attack by its neighbors. It is a fully legitimate
> state, as legitimate as the U.S. itself.
>
> The point was that a "proportionate response" would be one doomed to
> failure and continued attacks. Israel MUST use overwhelming force to
> defeat such a fanatical enemy. And they well know that final victory
> over that fanaticism will take a long time (it's been 60 years and could
> be another 100). But they have no other alternative, except suicide.

Thanks for the extra helping of Israeli nazi propaganda but you're quite
obviously admitting that your analogy is completely false, among the
numerous other falsehoods.

It's good to have some scapegoats to murder, isn't it? You and the others
don't really give a shit about Jews.

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Date: 08 Jan 2009 23:37:50
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
risky biz wrote:
> On Jan 8 2009 4:39 PM, Joe Long wrote:

>> Of course not. Israel was created by the U.N. and then successfully
>> defended itself from attack by its neighbors. It is a fully legitimate
>> state, as legitimate as the U.S. itself.
>>
>> The point was that a "proportionate response" would be one doomed to
>> failure and continued attacks. Israel MUST use overwhelming force to
>> defeat such a fanatical enemy. And they well know that final victory
>> over that fanaticism will take a long time (it's been 60 years and could
>> be another 100). But they have no other alternative, except suicide.
>
> Thanks for the extra helping of Israeli nazi propaganda but you're quite
> obviously admitting that your analogy is completely false, among the
> numerous other falsehoods.

Only in your mind. Interesting phrase you used there, "Israeli nazi
propaganda." It helps to show what far-fetched nonsense some people
will believe.

> It's good to have some scapegoats to murder, isn't it? You and the others
> don't really give a shit about Jews.

I care about the Jews, the Palestinians, and ourselves. It will be a
wonderful thing for all of us if a genuine, lasting peace comes to the
Middle East. That will never happen as long as such people as Hamas and
Hezbollah remain dedicated to the destruction of Israel and killing of
its citizens. As I've pointed out before, the power to have a peaceful
solution lies in the hands of the Palestinians, as it has for many years
now. Arafat could have had it, but chose continuing violence instead --
and got a Nobel Peace Prize for it.

Neither side is "all good" or "all bad," but overall it's not even
close. The Israelis, and their beleaguered democratic country, are the
good guys and they deserver our support.


--
Joe Long aka ChipRider
Somewhere on the Range


      
Date: 08 Jan 2009 23:33:02
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 8 2009 11:37 PM, Joe Long wrote:

> risky biz wrote:
> > On Jan 8 2009 4:39 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>
> >> Of course not. Israel was created by the U.N. and then successfully
> >> defended itself from attack by its neighbors. It is a fully legitimate
> >> state, as legitimate as the U.S. itself.
> >>
> >> The point was that a "proportionate response" would be one doomed to
> >> failure and continued attacks. Israel MUST use overwhelming force to
> >> defeat such a fanatical enemy. And they well know that final victory
> >> over that fanaticism will take a long time (it's been 60 years and could
> >> be another 100). But they have no other alternative, except suicide.
> >
> > Thanks for the extra helping of Israeli nazi propaganda but you're quite
> > obviously admitting that your analogy is completely false, among the
> > numerous other falsehoods.
>
> Only in your mind. Interesting phrase you used there, "Israeli nazi
> propaganda." It helps to show what far-fetched nonsense some people
> will believe.
>
> > It's good to have some scapegoats to murder, isn't it? You and the others
> > don't really give a shit about Jews.
>
> I care about the Jews, the Palestinians, and ourselves. It will be a
> wonderful thing for all of us if a genuine, lasting peace comes to the
> Middle East. That will never happen as long as such people as Hamas and
> Hezbollah remain dedicated to the destruction of Israel and killing of
> its citizens. As I've pointed out before, the power to have a peaceful
> solution lies in the hands of the Palestinians, as it has for many years
> now. Arafat could have had it, but chose continuing violence instead --
> and got a Nobel Peace Prize for it.
>
> Neither side is "all good" or "all bad," but overall it's not even
> close. The Israelis, and their beleaguered democratic country, are the
> good guys and they deserver our support.

Well, why don't you go over there and help them out. Maybe they'll let you
stomp to death some starving Palestinian infants crawling out from under
the rubble. But you have to be really, really good friends with the
Israelis to get a privilege like that.

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Date: 06 Jan 2009 18:20:01
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6, 8:49 pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 6 2009 6:45 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
>
>
> > "TT" <g...@Olympics.org> wrote in message
> >news:pHQ8l.115135$_03.114382@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> > > Wayne wrote:
> > >>http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
>
> > >> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> > >> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
>
> > > That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the chosen
> > > people.
>
> > More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim terrorists
> > set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian neighborhoods. It's
> > always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal left. They
> > have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as human
> > shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of rockets in to
> > Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas human
> > shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly outraged and
> > blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the Palestineans
> > and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide bombers in to
> > Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. But Hamas
> > doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify their
> > fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to Israeli
> > neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.
>
> I repeat: What part of the word "occupation" do you not understand?

The problem with your argument is that you _pretend_ to base it on the
current situation. However, it is based on the old argument that
Israel simply should not exist. While this is an argument that may
have some merit, you follow through by arguing basically that Israel
should acquiesce to their own non-existance. So it isn't that the
Isrealis fight force with force that you object to, it is the
existance of Israel itself.

Well, you lost that argument, right or wrong. Just as the Celts lost
to the Saxons and the Arikara lost the Black Hills to the Lakota and
the Lakota then lost them to the U.S. Just as the mostly Christian
people of the Middle East lost out to the First Jihad. And none of
those fights were fair. People DON'T stay home and mind their own
business.

Hamas ran on a platform of war with Israel. This is what war with
Israel is like.

--
Will in New Haven



  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 23:40:31
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6 2009 9:20 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:

> On Jan 6, 8:49 pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > On Jan 6 2009 6:45 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > "TT" <g...@Olympics.org> wrote in message
> > >news:pHQ8l.115135$_03.114382@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> > > > Wayne wrote:
> > > >>http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> >
> > > >> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> > > >> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
> >
> > > > That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the
chosen
> > > > people.
> >
> > > More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim
terrorists
> > > set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian neighborhoods.
It's
> > > always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal left.
They
> > > have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as human
> > > shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of rockets in
to
> > > Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas human
> > > shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly outraged and
> > > blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the
Palestineans
> > > and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide bombers
in to
> > > Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. But Hamas
> > > doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify their
> > > fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to Israeli
> > > neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.
> >
> > I repeat: What part of the word "occupation" do you not understand?
>
> The problem with your argument is that you _pretend_ to base it on the
> current situation. However, it is based on the old argument that
> Israel simply should not exist. While this is an argument that may
> have some merit, you follow through by arguing basically that Israel
> should acquiesce to their own non-existance. So it isn't that the
> Isrealis fight force with force that you object to, it is the
> existance of Israel itself.

You couldn't possibly be more wrong. My argument is that Israel still has
Gaza fenced in, cut off from the rest of world, subservient to the whims
of the Israeli military. Such an act is the equivalent of a declaration of
war, and the Palestinians are well within their rights to fight back.
That's it, none of this nonsense about the existence of Israel. Obviously,
Israel exists.

> Well, you lost that argument, right or wrong. Just as the Celts lost
> to the Saxons and the Arikara lost the Black Hills to the Lakota and
> the Lakota then lost them to the U.S. Just as the mostly Christian
> people of the Middle East lost out to the First Jihad. And none of
> those fights were fair. People DON'T stay home and mind their own
> business.

Might makes right, eh? I'd argue with the obvious barbarism of this line
of thinking, but since you're arguing a strawman, there's really no point.

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Date: 07 Jan 2009 07:48:39
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 7 2009 2:40 AM, ChrisRobin wrote:

> On Jan 6 2009 9:20 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
> > On Jan 6, 8:49 pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > > On Jan 6 2009 6:45 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > "TT" <g...@Olympics.org> wrote in message
> > > >news:pHQ8l.115135$_03.114382@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> > > > > Wayne wrote:
> > > > >>http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> > >
> > > > >> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display
yet
> > > > >> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
> > >
> > > > > That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the
> chosen
> > > > > people.
> > >
> > > > More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim
> terrorists
> > > > set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian neighborhoods.
> It's
> > > > always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal left.
> They
> > > > have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as human
> > > > shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of rockets
in
> to
> > > > Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas human
> > > > shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly outraged
and
> > > > blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the
> Palestineans
> > > > and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide bombers
> in to
> > > > Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. But Hamas
> > > > doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify their
> > > > fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to Israeli
> > > > neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.
> > >
> > > I repeat: What part of the word "occupation" do you not understand?
> >
> > The problem with your argument is that you _pretend_ to base it on the
> > current situation. However, it is based on the old argument that
> > Israel simply should not exist. While this is an argument that may
> > have some merit, you follow through by arguing basically that Israel
> > should acquiesce to their own non-existance. So it isn't that the
> > Isrealis fight force with force that you object to, it is the
> > existance of Israel itself.
>
> You couldn't possibly be more wrong. My argument is that Israel still has
> Gaza fenced in, cut off from the rest of world, subservient to the whims
> of the Israeli military. Such an act is the equivalent of a declaration of
> war, and the Palestinians are well within their rights to fight back.
> That's it, none of this nonsense about the existence of Israel. Obviously,
> Israel exists.

You totally ignore the key fact in this whole mess: Gaza is governed by a
group of people who refuse to recognize the existence of Israel and who
openly advocate the total destruction of Israel. Everything else flows
from the minor detail that you conveniently forget.

You make it seem as if Hamas would stop attacking Israel if the
"occupation" ended. The agenda of Hamas makes it clear that this would not
be the case. When Israel pulled out of Gaza, Hamas did not stop firing
their rockets, and they did not change their long-term goals. Until these
changes take place, the Palestinians who desire peace with Israel will
continue to be held hostage by their own extremist leaders.
>

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Date: 07 Jan 2009 17:27:12
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 7 2009 10:48 AM, JerseyRudy wrote:

> On Jan 7 2009 2:40 AM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > On Jan 6 2009 9:20 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 6, 8:49 pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > > > On Jan 6 2009 6:45 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > "TT" <g...@Olympics.org> wrote in message
> > > > >news:pHQ8l.115135$_03.114382@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> > > > > > Wayne wrote:
> > > > > >>http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> > > >
> > > > > >> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display
> yet
> > > > > >> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
> > > >
> > > > > > That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the
> > chosen
> > > > > > people.
> > > >
> > > > > More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim
> > terrorists
> > > > > set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian
neighborhoods.
> > It's
> > > > > always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal left.
> > They
> > > > > have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as human
> > > > > shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of rockets
> in
> > to
> > > > > Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas
human
> > > > > shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly outraged
> and
> > > > > blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the
> > Palestineans
> > > > > and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide
bombers
> > in to
> > > > > Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. But
Hamas
> > > > > doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify
their
> > > > > fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to Israeli
> > > > > neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.
> > > >
> > > > I repeat: What part of the word "occupation" do you not understand?
> > >
> > > The problem with your argument is that you _pretend_ to base it on the
> > > current situation. However, it is based on the old argument that
> > > Israel simply should not exist. While this is an argument that may
> > > have some merit, you follow through by arguing basically that Israel
> > > should acquiesce to their own non-existance. So it isn't that the
> > > Isrealis fight force with force that you object to, it is the
> > > existance of Israel itself.
> >
> > You couldn't possibly be more wrong. My argument is that Israel still has
> > Gaza fenced in, cut off from the rest of world, subservient to the whims
> > of the Israeli military. Such an act is the equivalent of a declaration of
> > war, and the Palestinians are well within their rights to fight back.
> > That's it, none of this nonsense about the existence of Israel. Obviously,
> > Israel exists.
>
> You totally ignore the key fact in this whole mess: Gaza is governed by a
> group of people who refuse to recognize the existence of Israel and who
> openly advocate the total destruction of Israel. Everything else flows
> from the minor detail that you conveniently forget.

Nothing "flows" from that "detail." It's an effect, not a cause. These
radicals came into power BECAUSE Israel's cordoning off of Gaza has made
life so miserable for its inhabitants. It's the root of the every ill that
plague Gazans – unemployment, poverty, disease, and crumbling
infrastructure.

I don't know why I bother with you, honestly. You seem to think the
Palestinians should just shrug off the fact that they are prisoners in
their own homes, as if an existence with little food or clean drinking
water or functional infrastructure is just a minor inconvenience. And
frankly, it's pretty sickening.

> You make it seem as if Hamas would stop attacking Israel if the
> "occupation" ended. The agenda of Hamas makes it clear that this would not
> be the case. When Israel pulled out of Gaza, Hamas did not stop firing
> their rockets, and they did not change their long-term goals. Until these
> changes take place, the Palestinians who desire peace with Israel will
> continue to be held hostage by their own extremist leaders.

That's because the "withdrawal" was nothing of the sort. Israel still
enforced a "buffer zone" around the border, controlling the flow of goods
into Gaza, forbidding exports, and decimating what little decent
agricultural lands the Palestinians had left. They still had a military
and economic choke hold on Gaza, regardless of whatever tripe about
"withdrawal" you seem to have swallowed.

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Date: 07 Jan 2009 20:21:53
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:27:12 -0800, "ChrisRobin"
<a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>On Jan 7 2009 10:48 AM, JerseyRudy wrote:
>
>> On Jan 7 2009 2:40 AM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>>
>> > On Jan 6 2009 9:20 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Jan 6, 8:49 pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>> > > > On Jan 6 2009 6:45 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > "TT" <g...@Olympics.org> wrote in message
>> > > > >news:pHQ8l.115135$_03.114382@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>> > > > > > Wayne wrote:
>> > > > > >>http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
>> > > >
>> > > > > >> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display
>> yet
>> > > > > >> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
>> > > >
>> > > > > > That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the
>> > chosen
>> > > > > > people.
>> > > >
>> > > > > More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim
>> > terrorists
>> > > > > set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian
>neighborhoods.
>> > It's
>> > > > > always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal left.
>> > They
>> > > > > have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as human
>> > > > > shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of rockets
>> in
>> > to
>> > > > > Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas
>human
>> > > > > shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly outraged
>> and
>> > > > > blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the
>> > Palestineans
>> > > > > and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide
>bombers
>> > in to
>> > > > > Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. But
>Hamas
>> > > > > doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify
>their
>> > > > > fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to Israeli
>> > > > > neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.
>> > > >
>> > > > I repeat: What part of the word "occupation" do you not understand?
>> > >
>> > > The problem with your argument is that you _pretend_ to base it on the
>> > > current situation. However, it is based on the old argument that
>> > > Israel simply should not exist. While this is an argument that may
>> > > have some merit, you follow through by arguing basically that Israel
>> > > should acquiesce to their own non-existance. So it isn't that the
>> > > Isrealis fight force with force that you object to, it is the
>> > > existance of Israel itself.
>> >
>> > You couldn't possibly be more wrong. My argument is that Israel still has
>> > Gaza fenced in, cut off from the rest of world, subservient to the whims
>> > of the Israeli military. Such an act is the equivalent of a declaration of
>> > war, and the Palestinians are well within their rights to fight back.
>> > That's it, none of this nonsense about the existence of Israel. Obviously,
>> > Israel exists.
>>
>> You totally ignore the key fact in this whole mess: Gaza is governed by a
>> group of people who refuse to recognize the existence of Israel and who
>> openly advocate the total destruction of Israel. Everything else flows
>> from the minor detail that you conveniently forget.
>
>Nothing "flows" from that "detail." It's an effect, not a cause. These
>radicals came into power BECAUSE Israel's cordoning off of Gaza has made
>life so miserable for its inhabitants. It's the root of the every ill that
>plague Gazans – unemployment, poverty, disease, and crumbling
>infrastructure.
>

It's a classic puzzle.

Cause or effect?
Effect or cause?

The chicken or the egg?

Does Poverty cause Crime?
Does Crime cause Poverty?

Does Poverty cause Terrorism?
Does Terrorism cause Poverty?


I know you are convinced you have the answer.
You know I am convinced I have the answer.

We both know there is a problem.

At least we got that goin' for us, eh?





     
Date: 07 Jan 2009 18:08:55
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 7 2009 8:27 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:

> On Jan 7 2009 10:48 AM, JerseyRudy wrote:
>
> > On Jan 7 2009 2:40 AM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 6 2009 9:20 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Jan 6, 8:49 pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > On Jan 6 2009 6:45 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > "TT" <g...@Olympics.org> wrote in message
> > > > > >news:pHQ8l.115135$_03.114382@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> > > > > > > Wayne wrote:
> > > > > > >>http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> > > > >
> > > > > > >> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full
display
> > yet
> > > > > > >> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the
> > > chosen
> > > > > > > people.
> > > > >
> > > > > > More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim
> > > terrorists
> > > > > > set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian
> neighborhoods.
> > > It's
> > > > > > always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal
left.
> > > They
> > > > > > have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as
human
> > > > > > shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of
rockets
> > in
> > > to
> > > > > > Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas
> human
> > > > > > shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly
outraged
> > and
> > > > > > blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the
> > > Palestineans
> > > > > > and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide
> bombers
> > > in to
> > > > > > Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. But
> Hamas
> > > > > > doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify
> their
> > > > > > fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to
Israeli
> > > > > > neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.
> > > > >
> > > > > I repeat: What part of the word "occupation" do you not understand?
> > > >
> > > > The problem with your argument is that you _pretend_ to base it on the
> > > > current situation. However, it is based on the old argument that
> > > > Israel simply should not exist. While this is an argument that may
> > > > have some merit, you follow through by arguing basically that Israel
> > > > should acquiesce to their own non-existance. So it isn't that the
> > > > Isrealis fight force with force that you object to, it is the
> > > > existance of Israel itself.
> > >
> > > You couldn't possibly be more wrong. My argument is that Israel still has
> > > Gaza fenced in, cut off from the rest of world, subservient to the whims
> > > of the Israeli military. Such an act is the equivalent of a declaration
of
> > > war, and the Palestinians are well within their rights to fight back.
> > > That's it, none of this nonsense about the existence of Israel.
Obviously,
> > > Israel exists.
> >
> > You totally ignore the key fact in this whole mess: Gaza is governed by a
> > group of people who refuse to recognize the existence of Israel and who
> > openly advocate the total destruction of Israel. Everything else flows
> > from the minor detail that you conveniently forget.
>
> Nothing "flows" from that "detail." It's an effect, not a cause. These
> radicals came into power BECAUSE Israel's cordoning off of Gaza has made
> life so miserable for its inhabitants. It's the root of the every ill that
> plague Gazans – unemployment, poverty, disease, and crumbling
> infrastructure.
>
> I don't know why I bother with you, honestly. You seem to think the
> Palestinians should just shrug off the fact that they are prisoners in
> their own homes, as if an existence with little food or clean drinking
> water or functional infrastructure is just a minor inconvenience. And
> frankly, it's pretty sickening.
>
> > You make it seem as if Hamas would stop attacking Israel if the
> > "occupation" ended. The agenda of Hamas makes it clear that this would not
> > be the case. When Israel pulled out of Gaza, Hamas did not stop firing
> > their rockets, and they did not change their long-term goals. Until these
> > changes take place, the Palestinians who desire peace with Israel will
> > continue to be held hostage by their own extremist leaders.
>
> That's because the "withdrawal" was nothing of the sort. Israel still
> enforced a "buffer zone" around the border, controlling the flow of goods
> into Gaza, forbidding exports, and decimating what little decent
> agricultural lands the Palestinians had left. They still had a military
> and economic choke hold on Gaza, regardless of whatever tripe about
> "withdrawal" you seem to have swallowed.

You never once address the fact that Gaza is governed by a group that
advocates the total destruction of Israel, refuses to recocgnize the
existence of Israel, seeks to impose a fundamentalist Islamic state
similar to Al Qaeda, and receives funding and military assistance from
Iran. It is as if these things are totally without importance in your
analysis of the situation.

You seem to think that the situation would be solved if Israel just
allowed the poor people of Gaza to live their lives as they see fit. You
ignore that Egypt has treated Gaza in the same manner as Israel since
Hamas took over....Egypt understands the threat posed by Hamas, but you
seem to think that is all Israel's fault.

Even if Israel could snap their fingers and magically bring unlimited
wealth and riches to the people of Gaza, they would still be governed by a
group whose goal is to destroy Israel and impose a rigid Islamic
state...only when the people of Gaza realize that their problem is Hamas
will things change for them.

This is what Thomas Friedman (who knows as much about the Middle East as
anyone alive) wrote in today's New York Times:

"Hamas rejects any recognition of Israel. By contrast, the Fatah-led
Palestinian Authority, which controls the West Bank, has recognized Israel
— and vice versa. If you believe, as I do, that the only stable solution
is a two-state one, with the Palestinians getting all of the West Bank,
Gaza and Arab sectors of East Jerusalem, then you have to hope for the
weakening of Hamas.

Why? Because nothing has damaged Palestinians more than the Hamas
death-cult strategy of turning Palestinian youths into suicide bombers.
Because nothing would set back a peace deal more than if Hamas’s call to
replace Israel with an Islamic state became the Palestinian negotiating
position. And because Hamas’s attacks on towns in southern Israel is
destroying a two-state solution, even more than Israel’s disastrous and
reckless West Bank settlements.

Israel has proved that it can and will uproot settlements, as it did in
Gaza. Hamas’s rocket attacks pose an irreversible threat. They say to
Israel: “From Gaza, we can hit southern Israel. If we get the West Bank,
we can rocket, and thereby close, Israel’s international airport —
anytime, any day, from now to eternity.” How many Israelis will risk
relinquishing the West Bank, given this new threat?"

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Date: 08 Jan 2009 11:49:47
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 7 2009 9:08 PM, JerseyRudy wrote:

> On Jan 7 2009 8:27 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > On Jan 7 2009 10:48 AM, JerseyRudy wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 7 2009 2:40 AM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Jan 6 2009 9:20 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Jan 6, 8:49 pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > > On Jan 6 2009 6:45 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "TT" <g...@Olympics.org> wrote in message
> > > > > > >news:pHQ8l.115135$_03.114382@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> > > > > > > > Wayne wrote:
> > > > > > > >>http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full
> display
> > > yet
> > > > > > > >> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves
the
> > > > chosen
> > > > > > > > people.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim
> > > > terrorists
> > > > > > > set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian
> > neighborhoods.
> > > > It's
> > > > > > > always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal
> left.
> > > > They
> > > > > > > have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as
> human
> > > > > > > shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of
> rockets
> > > in
> > > > to
> > > > > > > Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas
> > human
> > > > > > > shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly
> outraged
> > > and
> > > > > > > blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the
> > > > Palestineans
> > > > > > > and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide
> > bombers
> > > > in to
> > > > > > > Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. But
> > Hamas
> > > > > > > doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify
> > their
> > > > > > > fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to
> Israeli
> > > > > > > neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I repeat: What part of the word "occupation" do you not understand?
> > > > >
> > > > > The problem with your argument is that you _pretend_ to base it on
the
> > > > > current situation. However, it is based on the old argument that
> > > > > Israel simply should not exist. While this is an argument that may
> > > > > have some merit, you follow through by arguing basically that Israel
> > > > > should acquiesce to their own non-existance. So it isn't that the
> > > > > Isrealis fight force with force that you object to, it is the
> > > > > existance of Israel itself.
> > > >
> > > > You couldn't possibly be more wrong. My argument is that Israel still
has
> > > > Gaza fenced in, cut off from the rest of world, subservient to the
whims
> > > > of the Israeli military. Such an act is the equivalent of a declaration
> of
> > > > war, and the Palestinians are well within their rights to fight back.
> > > > That's it, none of this nonsense about the existence of Israel.
> Obviously,
> > > > Israel exists.
> > >
> > > You totally ignore the key fact in this whole mess: Gaza is governed by a
> > > group of people who refuse to recognize the existence of Israel and who
> > > openly advocate the total destruction of Israel. Everything else flows
> > > from the minor detail that you conveniently forget.
> >
> > Nothing "flows" from that "detail." It's an effect, not a cause. These
> > radicals came into power BECAUSE Israel's cordoning off of Gaza has made
> > life so miserable for its inhabitants. It's the root of the every ill that
> > plague Gazans – unemployment, poverty, disease, and crumbling
> > infrastructure.
> >
> > I don't know why I bother with you, honestly. You seem to think the
> > Palestinians should just shrug off the fact that they are prisoners in
> > their own homes, as if an existence with little food or clean drinking
> > water or functional infrastructure is just a minor inconvenience. And
> > frankly, it's pretty sickening.
> >
> > > You make it seem as if Hamas would stop attacking Israel if the
> > > "occupation" ended. The agenda of Hamas makes it clear that this would
not
> > > be the case. When Israel pulled out of Gaza, Hamas did not stop firing
> > > their rockets, and they did not change their long-term goals. Until these
> > > changes take place, the Palestinians who desire peace with Israel will
> > > continue to be held hostage by their own extremist leaders.
> >
> > That's because the "withdrawal" was nothing of the sort. Israel still
> > enforced a "buffer zone" around the border, controlling the flow of goods
> > into Gaza, forbidding exports, and decimating what little decent
> > agricultural lands the Palestinians had left. They still had a military
> > and economic choke hold on Gaza, regardless of whatever tripe about
> > "withdrawal" you seem to have swallowed.
>
> You never once address the fact that Gaza is governed by a group that
> advocates the total destruction of Israel, refuses to recocgnize the
> existence of Israel, seeks to impose a fundamentalist Islamic state
> similar to Al Qaeda, and receives funding and military assistance from
> Iran. It is as if these things are totally without importance in your
> analysis of the situation.

A governance that was deemed palatable by Gazans BECAUSE they're been, in
effect "occupied," for 50 years. Do you think these political events
happen in a vacuum? Christ, man. You're a broken record. The political
reality will not change until the situation on the ground does.

> You seem to think that the situation would be solved if Israel just
> allowed the poor people of Gaza to live their lives as they see fit. You
> ignore that Egypt has treated Gaza in the same manner as Israel since
> Hamas took over....Egypt understands the threat posed by Hamas, but you
> seem to think that is all Israel's fault.

The same manner? Egypt has sent ground troops into Gaza? I bet that's news
to the Egyptians!

> Even if Israel could snap their fingers and magically bring unlimited
> wealth and riches to the people of Gaza, they would still be governed by a
> group whose goal is to destroy Israel and impose a rigid Islamic
> state...only when the people of Gaza realize that their problem is Hamas
> will things change for them.

That's the magic of democracy. Anyone voted in can also be voted out. It's
only speculation, but I'd reckon that Palestinians would find a group as
radical as Hamas unnecessary if they were able to reconstruct their lives
without the constant threat of Israeli oppression. Will you at least
concede this common sense point?

> This is what Thomas Friedman (who knows as much about the Middle East as
> anyone alive) wrote in today's New York Times:

Oh. My. God. You really are friggin clueless. Friedman? ROTFLMAO!

> "Hamas rejects any recognition of Israel. By contrast, the Fatah-led
> Palestinian Authority, which controls the West Bank, has recognized Israel
> — and vice versa. If you believe, as I do, that the only stable solution
> is a two-state one, with the Palestinians getting all of the West Bank,
> Gaza and Arab sectors of East Jerusalem, then you have to hope for the
> weakening of Hamas.
>
> Why? Because nothing has damaged Palestinians more than the Hamas
> death-cult strategy of turning Palestinian youths into suicide bombers.
> Because nothing would set back a peace deal more than if Hamas’s call to
> replace Israel with an Islamic state became the Palestinian negotiating
> position. And because Hamas’s attacks on towns in southern Israel is
> destroying a two-state solution, even more than Israel’s disastrous and
> reckless West Bank settlements.

There were Palestianian suicide bombers long before Hamas took power. It's
amazing, in your mind it's as if history doesn't extend past 2006. You're
ignoring 50 years of history.

> Israel has proved that it can and will uproot settlements, as it did in
> Gaza. Hamas’s rocket attacks pose an irreversible threat. They say to
> Israel: “From Gaza, we can hit southern Israel. If we get the West Bank,
> we can rocket, and thereby close, Israel’s international airport —
> anytime, any day, from now to eternity.” How many Israelis will risk
> relinquishing the West Bank, given this new threat?"

Sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy – by radicalizing the Palestinian
populace, Israel has provided itself with the "justification" for its
apartheid policies, ad infinitum. It's a pity your first-level thinking
doesn't account for this possibility, that the Israeli state's policies
are intentionally ENCOURAGING Palestinian rocket attacks, so they can
respond with military force.

It's remarkable: 50 years of of violent oppression, and yet you (and
Friedman) are fixated on these impotent rocket attacks. But, to be fair,
your arguments can't possibly have any merit without ignoring history, so
I guess it makes sense why you persist in these delusions.

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Date: 09 Jan 2009 07:46:07
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 8 2009 2:49 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:

> On Jan 7 2009 9:08 PM, JerseyRudy wrote:
>
> > On Jan 7 2009 8:27 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 7 2009 10:48 AM, JerseyRudy wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Jan 7 2009 2:40 AM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Jan 6 2009 9:20 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Jan 6, 8:49 pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Jan 6 2009 6:45 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "TT" <g...@Olympics.org> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >news:pHQ8l.115135$_03.114382@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> > > > > > > > > Wayne wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full
> > display
> > > > yet
> > > > > > > > >> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves
> the
> > > > > chosen
> > > > > > > > > people.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of
muslim
> > > > > terrorists
> > > > > > > > set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian
> > > neighborhoods.
> > > > > It's
> > > > > > > > always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal
> > left.
> > > > > They
> > > > > > > > have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as
> > human
> > > > > > > > shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of
> > rockets
> > > > in
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the
Hamas
> > > human
> > > > > > > > shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly
> > outraged
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the
> > > > > Palestineans
> > > > > > > > and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide
> > > bombers
> > > > > in to
> > > > > > > > Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza.
But
> > > Hamas
> > > > > > > > doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to
justify
> > > their
> > > > > > > > fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to
> > Israeli
> > > > > > > > neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I repeat: What part of the word "occupation" do you not
understand?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The problem with your argument is that you _pretend_ to base it on
> the
> > > > > > current situation. However, it is based on the old argument that
> > > > > > Israel simply should not exist. While this is an argument that may
> > > > > > have some merit, you follow through by arguing basically that
Israel
> > > > > > should acquiesce to their own non-existance. So it isn't that the
> > > > > > Isrealis fight force with force that you object to, it is the
> > > > > > existance of Israel itself.
> > > > >
> > > > > You couldn't possibly be more wrong. My argument is that Israel still
> has
> > > > > Gaza fenced in, cut off from the rest of world, subservient to the
> whims
> > > > > of the Israeli military. Such an act is the equivalent of a
declaration
> > of
> > > > > war, and the Palestinians are well within their rights to fight back.
> > > > > That's it, none of this nonsense about the existence of Israel.
> > Obviously,
> > > > > Israel exists.
> > > >
> > > > You totally ignore the key fact in this whole mess: Gaza is governed
by a
> > > > group of people who refuse to recognize the existence of Israel and who
> > > > openly advocate the total destruction of Israel. Everything else flows
> > > > from the minor detail that you conveniently forget.
> > >
> > > Nothing "flows" from that "detail." It's an effect, not a cause. These
> > > radicals came into power BECAUSE Israel's cordoning off of Gaza has made
> > > life so miserable for its inhabitants. It's the root of the every ill
that
> > > plague Gazans – unemployment, poverty, disease, and crumbling
> > > infrastructure.
> > >
> > > I don't know why I bother with you, honestly. You seem to think the
> > > Palestinians should just shrug off the fact that they are prisoners in
> > > their own homes, as if an existence with little food or clean drinking
> > > water or functional infrastructure is just a minor inconvenience. And
> > > frankly, it's pretty sickening.
> > >
> > > > You make it seem as if Hamas would stop attacking Israel if the
> > > > "occupation" ended. The agenda of Hamas makes it clear that this would
> not
> > > > be the case. When Israel pulled out of Gaza, Hamas did not stop firing
> > > > their rockets, and they did not change their long-term goals. Until
these
> > > > changes take place, the Palestinians who desire peace with Israel will
> > > > continue to be held hostage by their own extremist leaders.
> > >
> > > That's because the "withdrawal" was nothing of the sort. Israel still
> > > enforced a "buffer zone" around the border, controlling the flow of goods
> > > into Gaza, forbidding exports, and decimating what little decent
> > > agricultural lands the Palestinians had left. They still had a military
> > > and economic choke hold on Gaza, regardless of whatever tripe about
> > > "withdrawal" you seem to have swallowed.
> >
> > You never once address the fact that Gaza is governed by a group that
> > advocates the total destruction of Israel, refuses to recocgnize the
> > existence of Israel, seeks to impose a fundamentalist Islamic state
> > similar to Al Qaeda, and receives funding and military assistance from
> > Iran. It is as if these things are totally without importance in your
> > analysis of the situation.
>
> A governance that was deemed palatable by Gazans BECAUSE they're been, in
> effect "occupied," for 50 years. Do you think these political events
> happen in a vacuum? Christ, man. You're a broken record. The political
> reality will not change until the situation on the ground does.
>
> > You seem to think that the situation would be solved if Israel just
> > allowed the poor people of Gaza to live their lives as they see fit. You
> > ignore that Egypt has treated Gaza in the same manner as Israel since
> > Hamas took over....Egypt understands the threat posed by Hamas, but you
> > seem to think that is all Israel's fault.
>
> The same manner? Egypt has sent ground troops into Gaza? I bet that's news
> to the Egyptians!

I'm not sure if you are truly this dense or are choosing to be this dense
because it is your method for avoiding the issues, but either way it is
pathetic.

How do you think Egypt would react if Hamas started shooting rockets into
Egypt, killing Egyptian civilians?

My answer is that Egypt would not only react with ground troops, but that
such an operation would make the current Israeli operation seem like one
big party to the people of Gaza. What's your answer? How do you think
Egypt would react to rockets being fired at their civilians?

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Date: 08 Jan 2009 14:09:23
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
"ChrisRobin"

> these impotent rocket attacks

If the rocket attacks are impotent, why would Hamas continue with them ...
if you are correct that Israel needs these attacks as an excuse to continue
their bad policies?

Hamas stops the rocket attacks. Israel has no reason to continue to strike.
Political pressure would increase on Israel a thousand fold to negotiate a
lasting peace. Even the most ardent supporter of Israel would demand
concessions from Israel. Even the citizens of Israel would demand it.

This is not rocket science.




        
Date: 09 Jan 2009 07:50:46
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 8 2009 3:09 PM, da pickle wrote:

> "ChrisRobin"
>
> > these impotent rocket attacks
>
> If the rocket attacks are impotent, why would Hamas continue with them ...
> if you are correct that Israel needs these attacks as an excuse to continue
> their bad policies?
>
> Hamas stops the rocket attacks. Israel has no reason to continue to strike.
> Political pressure would increase on Israel a thousand fold to negotiate a
> lasting peace. Even the most ardent supporter of Israel would demand
> concessions from Israel. Even the citizens of Israel would demand it.
>
> This is not rocket science.

If he lived in Sderot or Ashkelon I am certain he would not think that the
rocket attacks were "impotent." If anyone of the people in this article
were his friends or familiy I doubt he would still think that the rocket
attacks were "impotent:"

"An Israeli-Arab labourer was killed and 10 other people were wounded
yesterday morning when a Katyusha rocket struck a building site in
Ashkelon, 10 miles from Gaza. It was the first death in the southern
seaside town, whose residents have grown increasingly anxious since
rockets began exploding around it two years ago.

"You can hear them whistling, you don't know where it's coming from and
where it's going, or where it's going to land," said the head of
Asheklon's community services, David Wolfson.

Fifteen rockets have exploded in the centre of the city since Saturday and
scores more have landed on the city's outer limits.

Shai Biton, 15, whose family moved from Sderot to Ashkelon two years ago
to escape the daily attacks, said: "I never know when a rocket is going to
land."

While some residents have fled, most have remained, though few stray out
of doors.

Last night one person was killed and another seriously wounded in the
Nahal Oz kibbutz near the Gaza border.

Soon afterwards, a woman was killed and two others injured when another
rocket struck a bus stop in the port city of Ashdod, north of Ashkelon. An
Israeli soldier was killed in a mortar attack, the first to be killed in
the latest round of violence. The bigger, Grad-style Katyushas are said to
have a range of up to 50 miles, which means they fly much further than the
Qassams that typically bombard towns closer to Gaza, such as Sderot."

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Date: 08 Jan 2009 19:18:46
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:09:23 -0600, "da pickle"
<jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com > wrote:

>"ChrisRobin"
>
>> these impotent rocket attacks
>
>If the rocket attacks are impotent, why would Hamas continue with them ...
>if you are correct that Israel needs these attacks as an excuse to continue
>their bad policies?
>
>Hamas stops the rocket attacks. Israel has no reason to continue to strike.
>Political pressure would increase on Israel a thousand fold to negotiate a
>lasting peace. Even the most ardent supporter of Israel would demand
>concessions from Israel. Even the citizens of Israel would demand it.
>
>This is not rocket science.
>

The True Believers in Conspiracy Kookdom make it a point to always
reject the simplest, most direct explanations for any event.

It always has to involve some "somebody" and their cabal that caused
it to happen.

The Kennedy assassination couldn't possibly have been carried out by a
lone gunman that got off a few lucky shots.
It had to have involved thousands of conspirators.

The 911 attacks couldn't possibly have been carried out by AQ, using
19 Terrorists hijacking airplanes.
It had to have involved thousands of conspirators in Government
positions.

My SWAG is that it provides the Conspiracy Theorists a boost to their
egos to think that they, and they alone know The Truth.

It is sort of a mirror image to Religionists who believe that they,
and they alone know The Truth.

My last personal encounter with a Conspiracy Theorist was with a young
lad who was convinced that the moon landing was a hoax.

After a whole series of my reasons were rejected, I tried one last
time.

I pointed out that the Houston launch center was filled with a whole
room full of real, live, certifiable rocket scientists.
How could all those people have been fooled?

Heh
No problem there.

"They were all in on it."

I knew, right then and there, that I was totally defeated.

--
"Holy fuck city, Turbo, you really ARE the biggest moron on this whole
entire newsgroup. I will pray for you." - Paul Popinjay, 11/7/2008


  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 21:09:57
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:20:01 -0800 (PST), Will in New Haven
<bill.reich@taylorandfrancis.com > wrote:

>On Jan 6, 8:49 pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>> On Jan 6 2009 6:45 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > "TT" <g...@Olympics.org> wrote in message
>> >news:pHQ8l.115135$_03.114382@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>> > > Wayne wrote:
>> > >>http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
>>
>> > >> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
>> > >> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
>>
>> > > That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the chosen
>> > > people.
>>
>> > More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim terrorists
>> > set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian neighborhoods. It's
>> > always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal left. They
>> > have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as human
>> > shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of rockets in to
>> > Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas human
>> > shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly outraged and
>> > blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the Palestineans
>> > and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide bombers in to
>> > Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. But Hamas
>> > doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify their
>> > fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to Israeli
>> > neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.
>>
>> I repeat: What part of the word "occupation" do you not understand?
>
>The problem with your argument is that you _pretend_ to base it on the
>current situation. However, it is based on the old argument that
>Israel simply should not exist. While this is an argument that may
>have some merit, you follow through by arguing basically that Israel
>should acquiesce to their own non-existance. So it isn't that the
>Isrealis fight force with force that you object to, it is the
>existance of Israel itself.
>
>Well, you lost that argument, right or wrong. Just as the Celts lost
>to the Saxons and the Arikara lost the Black Hills to the Lakota and
>the Lakota then lost them to the U.S. Just as the mostly Christian
>people of the Middle East lost out to the First Jihad. And none of
>those fights were fair. People DON'T stay home and mind their own
>business.
>
>Hamas ran on a platform of war with Israel. This is what war with
>Israel is like.


Taunt the bull, and act surprised when you get the horns up your ass?


   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 19:41:04
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6 2009 10:09 PM, FL Turbo wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:20:01 -0800 (PST), Will in New Haven
> <bill.reich@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>
> >On Jan 6, 8:49 pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Jan 6 2009 6:45 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > "TT" <g...@Olympics.org> wrote in message
> >> >news:pHQ8l.115135$_03.114382@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> >> > > Wayne wrote:
> >> > >>http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> >>
> >> > >> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> >> > >> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
> >>
> >> > > That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the
chosen
> >> > > people.
> >>
> >> > More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim
terrorists
> >> > set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian neighborhoods.
It's
> >> > always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal left.
They
> >> > have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as human
> >> > shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of rockets
in to
> >> > Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas human
> >> > shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly outraged and
> >> > blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the
Palestineans
> >> > and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide bombers
in to
> >> > Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. But Hamas
> >> > doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify their
> >> > fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to Israeli
> >> > neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.
> >>
> >> I repeat: What part of the word "occupation" do you not understand?
> >
> >The problem with your argument is that you _pretend_ to base it on the
> >current situation. However, it is based on the old argument that
> >Israel simply should not exist. While this is an argument that may
> >have some merit, you follow through by arguing basically that Israel
> >should acquiesce to their own non-existance. So it isn't that the
> >Isrealis fight force with force that you object to, it is the
> >existance of Israel itself.
> >
> >Well, you lost that argument, right or wrong. Just as the Celts lost
> >to the Saxons and the Arikara lost the Black Hills to the Lakota and
> >the Lakota then lost them to the U.S. Just as the mostly Christian
> >people of the Middle East lost out to the First Jihad. And none of
> >those fights were fair. People DON'T stay home and mind their own
> >business.
> >
> >Hamas ran on a platform of war with Israel. This is what war with
> >Israel is like.
>
>
> Taunt the bull, and act surprised when you get the horns up your ass?
Israel does very little to discourage future attacks.

Atheism is drawing dead

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Date: 07 Jan 2009 12:25:48
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza

"La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:grkd36x043.ln2@recgroups.com...

> Israel does very little to discourage future attacks.

Its true - they continue to breath their God given air so naturally the
demonically possessed muslims are going to attack them.


> Atheism is drawing dead
>

So is going against Israel. Why do you hate Jesus?





 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 19:33:28
From: bub
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:13:04 -0800 (PST), Wayne <waynetv50@yahoo.com >
wrote:

>http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
>
>Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
>again. Clearly the most moral army in history.

all this shows is hamas flunked "shooting missiles 101" and can't hit
a target ,cuz if they did i'm sure the deathtoll on the israel side
would be abit higher.


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 17:04:39
From: thunderbolt.bob@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6, 6:45=A0pm, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "TT" <g...@Olympics.org> wrote in message
>
> news:pHQ8l.115135$_03.114382@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>
> > Wayne wrote:
> >>http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=3D80881=A7ionid=3D351021701
>
> >> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> >> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
>
> > That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the chose=
n
> > people.
>
> More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim terrori=
sts
> set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian neighborhoods. =
=A0It's
> always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal left. =A0T=
hey
> have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as human
> shields. =A0They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of rockets i=
n to
> Israel. =A0But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas human
> shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly outraged and
> blame the Israelis. =A0Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the Palestin=
eans
> and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide bombers in=
to
> Israel. =A0The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. =A0But Ham=
as
> doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify their
> fanatic existence. =A0So they fired thousands of rockets in to Israeli
> neighborhoods. =A0Hamas wanted this war.
>
> Irish Mike

Well said there guy.


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 17:04:03
From: Martin D
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women

313? Seems a little low. But don't worry, as soon as The Lancet gets
in there they'll be sure to 'Up' that count 1000 fold.


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 16:37:32
From: number6
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6, 4:13=A0pm, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=3D80881=A7ionid=3D351021701
>
> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.

Good ... Those females will reproduce new terrorists ... and those
kids are already brain dead and indoctrinated into jihad ...


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 16:14:48
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
I'm a democrat and not a Jew, far from it. But, if Palestinians didn't
want to be attacked, they shouldn't have sent the their rockets over
to Israel. Now they want a cease fire? WHY? To do it again? It's like
the Muslim world. They don't denounce their terrorists, so they
deserve what they get. If they didn't expect this, they're all crazy.
If they're not terrorists, stop those who are. If someone was bombing
you you everyday, what would you do? It's obvoius the Arabs will get
more simpathy, since they have far larger numbers.



On Jan 6, 1:13=EF=BF=BDpm, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=3D80881=EF=BF=BDionid=3D351021701
>
> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.



  
Date: 07 Jan 2009 09:57:57
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
This is exactly my point of view, it's common sense to me, which the Hamas
idiots don't seem to have any of. Saying that I don't think Israel will be
able to continue bombing like they are for much longer though, the
political/media pressure will be too much.

<RussGeorgiev@aol.com > wrote in message
news:a3dc3a66-648a-4163-98ce-72e771b1d1f6@r36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
I'm a democrat and not a Jew, far from it. But, if Palestinians didn't
want to be attacked, they shouldn't have sent the their rockets over
to Israel. Now they want a cease fire? WHY? To do it again? It's like
the Muslim world. They don't denounce their terrorists, so they
deserve what they get. If they didn't expect this, they're all crazy.
If they're not terrorists, stop those who are. If someone was bombing
you you everyday, what would you do? It's obvoius the Arabs will get
more simpathy, since they have far larger numbers.



On Jan 6, 1:13?pm, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881?ionid=351021701
>
> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.




 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 15:56:59
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
How could this be did Casey Anthony get out again??


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 16:55:29
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza

"Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:f1d0ebfc-8c38-43ad-ba11-a7ff1ed36eb8@v31g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
>
> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.


So you're saying that it's wrong to slaughter both your current day enemies,
your future enemies and their baby factories? Hell, I haven't had this much
fun since we fire bombed Dresden. Wait, remind me, which came first -
firebombing Dresden or nuking Japan? Either way - its really got to suck to
be an enemy of the USA or its allies. This is truly a wonderful country.
Unless you a nazi punk or a muslim terrorist. Then its bad. Really , really
bad. BOO.






 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 14:22:51
From: andrew.reys@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6, 2:12 pm, TT <g...@Olympics.org > wrote:
> Wayne wrote:
> >http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
>
> > Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> > again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
>
> That's what you get from religious folks

More accurate this way. ;-)


 
Date: 07 Jan 2009 00:12:38
From: TT
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
Wayne wrote:
> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
>
> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.

That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the chosen
people.

--
"Now I have so many dreams to chase - the French Open, an Olympic
singles gold medal in London in 2012, the Davis Cup for Switzerland"


  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 18:45:41
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza

"TT" <gold@Olympics.org > wrote in message
news:pHQ8l.115135$_03.114382@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> Wayne wrote:
>> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
>>
>> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
>> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
>
> That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the chosen
> people.

More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim terrorists
set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian neighborhoods. It's
always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal left. They
have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as human
shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of rockets in to
Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas human
shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly outraged and
blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the Palestineans
and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide bombers in to
Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. But Hamas
doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify their
fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to Israeli
neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.

Irish Mike




   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 19:47:26
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
Irish Mike wrote:

> More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim terrorists
> set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian neighborhoods. It's
> always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal left. They
> have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as human
> shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of rockets in to
> Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas human
> shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly outraged and
> blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the Palestineans
> and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide bombers in to
> Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. But Hamas
> doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify their
> fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to Israeli
> neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.

Mike, I find a lot of your posts to be over the top, but this one sums
it up very well.

It's such a shame. Gaza is desparately poor, yet they have this nice
strip of beachfront on the Mediterranean. If they just stopped
attacking and provoking Israel, they could attract investors to build a
tourist infrastructure that could dramatically raise their standard of
living. Instead they perpetuate the cycle of hate, revenge, killing,
and war.

And then when war comes much of the knee-jerk Left blames Israel, right
on cue.


--
Joe Long aka ChipRider
Somewhere on the Range


    
Date: 07 Jan 2009 09:55:08
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
"Joe Long" <nospam@spam.com > wrote in message
news:qdudnU7y6vFdivnUnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@giganews.com...
> Irish Mike wrote:
>
>> More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim
>> terrorists
>> set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian neighborhoods.
>> It's
>> always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal left.
>> They
>> have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as human
>> shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of rockets in
>> to
>> Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas human
>> shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly outraged and
>> blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the
>> Palestineans
>> and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide bombers in
>> to
>> Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. But Hamas
>> doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify their
>> fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to Israeli
>> neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.
>
> Mike, I find a lot of your posts to be over the top, but this one sums
> it up very well.
>
> It's such a shame. Gaza is desparately poor, yet they have this nice
> strip of beachfront on the Mediterranean. If they just stopped
> attacking and provoking Israel, they could attract investors to build a
> tourist infrastructure that could dramatically raise their standard of
> living. Instead they perpetuate the cycle of hate, revenge, killing,
> and war.
>
> And then when war comes much of the knee-jerk Left blames Israel, right
> on cue.

I keep hearing how desperately poor they are yet they can afford an endless
suppply of rockets.




     
Date: 07 Jan 2009 06:05:54
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
"Iceberg"

> I keep hearing how desperately poor they are yet they can afford an
> endless suppply of rockets.

They get those for free. They have coupons.




   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 17:49:02
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6 2009 6:45 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "TT" <gold@Olympics.org> wrote in message
> news:pHQ8l.115135$_03.114382@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> > Wayne wrote:
> >> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> >>
> >> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> >> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
> >
> > That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the chosen
> > people.
>
> More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim terrorists
> set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian neighborhoods. It's
> always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal left. They
> have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as human
> shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of rockets in to
> Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas human
> shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly outraged and
> blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the Palestineans
> and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide bombers in to
> Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. But Hamas
> doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify their
> fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to Israeli
> neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.

I repeat: What part of the word "occupation" do you not understand?

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Date: 06 Jan 2009 19:53:21
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
ChrisRobin wrote:
> On Jan 6 2009 6:45 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
>> "TT" <gold@Olympics.org> wrote in message
>> news:pHQ8l.115135$_03.114382@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>>> Wayne wrote:
>>>> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
>>>>
>>>> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
>>>> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
>>> That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the chosen
>>> people.
>> More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim terrorists
>> set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian neighborhoods. It's
>> always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal left. They
>> have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as human
>> shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of rockets in to
>> Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas human
>> shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly outraged and
>> blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the Palestineans
>> and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide bombers in to
>> Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. But Hamas
>> doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify their
>> fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to Israeli
>> neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.
>
> I repeat: What part of the word "occupation" do you not understand?

What part of "Israel pulled out of Gaza" don't you understand?

Some people predicted that ending the occupation of Gaza would fail,
that Israel would someday have to go back in. It seems that they were
right.


--
Joe Long aka ChipRider
Somewhere on the Range


     
Date: 06 Jan 2009 23:43:33
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6 2009 9:53 PM, Joe Long wrote:

> ChrisRobin wrote:
> > On Jan 6 2009 6:45 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >
> >> "TT" <gold@Olympics.org> wrote in message
> >> news:pHQ8l.115135$_03.114382@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> >>> Wayne wrote:
> >>>> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> >>>>
> >>>> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> >>>> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
> >>> That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the chosen
> >>> people.
> >> More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim
terrorists
> >> set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian neighborhoods.
It's
> >> always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal left.
They
> >> have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as human
> >> shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of rockets in
to
> >> Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas human
> >> shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly outraged and
> >> blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the
Palestineans
> >> and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide bombers in
to
> >> Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. But Hamas
> >> doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify their
> >> fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to Israeli
> >> neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.
> >
> > I repeat: What part of the word "occupation" do you not understand?
>
> What part of "Israel pulled out of Gaza" don't you understand?
>
> Some people predicted that ending the occupation of Gaza would fail,
> that Israel would someday have to go back in. It seems that they were
> right.

Would you prefer the word "blockade," a virtual stranglehold on the flow
of all supplies and people in and out of Gaza? Does that offend your
delicate sensibilities a little less?

Regardless, the result is the same.

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Date: 06 Jan 2009 17:07:11
From: Phillip_Stankiwiecz II
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6 2009 6:45 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "TT" <gold@Olympics.org> wrote in message
> news:pHQ8l.115135$_03.114382@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> > Wayne wrote:
> >> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> >>
> >> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> >> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
> >
> > That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the chosen
> > people.
>
> More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim terrorists
> set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian neighborhoods. It's
> always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal left. They
> have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as human
> shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of rockets in to
> Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas human
> shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly outraged and
> blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the Palestineans
> and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide bombers in to
> Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. But Hamas
> doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify their
> fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to Israeli
> neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.
>
> Irish Mike


Whew...off the meds again Mike crazy obv

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Date: 06 Jan 2009 19:55:04
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza

"Phillip_Stankiwiecz II" <aca2700@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:vqbd36xv4l.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 6 2009 6:45 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> > Irish Mike
>
>
> Whew...off the meds again Mike crazy obv
>

Its more likely that the muslim scum who claims to believe that God would
choose a goat raping pedophile to carry his message of salvation to the
masses are off their meds. Unless their god is really satan. Then it all
makes sense. Well, except for the part where they blow themselves up in
order to make it to hell that much faster. Demonic possession can be funny
at times. So is jealousy. I mean knowingly worshiping satan and calling him
god is one thing but if these lazy fucks would just get a job then they
could grow into a modern group of nations and learn a little self-respect.
Nah, fagetaboutit - its easier for them to just go BOOM.









    
Date: 06 Jan 2009 20:48:08
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza

"Phillip_Stankiwiecz II" <aca2700@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:vqbd36xv4l.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 6 2009 6:45 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
>> "TT" <gold@Olympics.org> wrote in message
>> news:pHQ8l.115135$_03.114382@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>> > Wayne wrote:
>> >> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
>> >>
>> >> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
>> >> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
>> >
>> > That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the
>> > chosen
>> > people.
>>
>> More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim
>> terrorists
>> set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian neighborhoods.
>> It's
>> always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal left.
>> They
>> have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as human
>> shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of rockets in
>> to
>> Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas human
>> shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly outraged and
>> blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the
>> Palestineans
>> and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide bombers in
>> to
>> Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. But Hamas
>> doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify their
>> fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to Israeli
>> neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.
>>
>> Irish Mike
>
>
> Whew...off the meds again Mike crazy obv

OK bucko, stop tying sophmoric one liners and tell me where I'm wrong.

Irish Mike




     
Date: 06 Jan 2009 20:02:43
From: Phillip_Stankiwiecz II
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6 2009 8:48 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "Phillip_Stankiwiecz II" <aca2700@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:vqbd36xv4l.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Jan 6 2009 6:45 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >
> >> "TT" <gold@Olympics.org> wrote in message
> >> news:pHQ8l.115135$_03.114382@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> >> > Wayne wrote:
> >> >> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> >> >>
> >> >> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> >> >> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
> >> >
> >> > That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the
> >> > chosen
> >> > people.
> >>
> >> More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim
> >> terrorists
> >> set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian neighborhoods.
> >> It's
> >> always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal left.
> >> They
> >> have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as human
> >> shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of rockets in
> >> to
> >> Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas human
> >> shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly outraged and
> >> blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the
> >> Palestineans
> >> and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide bombers in
> >> to
> >> Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. But Hamas
> >> doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify their
> >> fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to Israeli
> >> neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.
> >>
> >> Irish Mike
> >
> >
> > Whew...off the meds again Mike crazy obv
>
> OK bucko, stop tying sophmoric one liners and tell me where I'm wrong.
>
> Irish Mike


Well bucko, Israel is in violation of United Nations resolution 242 which
calls for Israel to remove its troops from the occupied territories of
Gaza, West Bank and East Jerusalem. Since 1967 they have failed to do so.
Virtually every other (US withstanding maybe Kazhistan as well) nation has
urged Israel to comply with UN resolution. The Palestinians are willing to
die for the land that is rightfully theirs while the Jews try to set up
communities in their land. Israel should just back off

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Date: 07 Jan 2009 07:42:41
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6 2009 11:02 PM, Phillip_Stankiwiecz II wrote:

> On Jan 6 2009 8:48 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> > "Phillip_Stankiwiecz II" <aca2700@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:vqbd36xv4l.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > > On Jan 6 2009 6:45 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> > >
> > >> "TT" <gold@Olympics.org> wrote in message
> > >> news:pHQ8l.115135$_03.114382@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> > >> > Wayne wrote:
> > >> >> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> > >> >> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
> > >> >
> > >> > That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the
> > >> > chosen
> > >> > people.
> > >>
> > >> More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim
> > >> terrorists
> > >> set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian neighborhoods.
> > >> It's
> > >> always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal left.
> > >> They
> > >> have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as human
> > >> shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of rockets
in
> > >> to
> > >> Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas human
> > >> shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly outraged and
> > >> blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the
> > >> Palestineans
> > >> and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide bombers
in
> > >> to
> > >> Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. But Hamas
> > >> doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify their
> > >> fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to Israeli
> > >> neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.
> > >>
> > >> Irish Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > Whew...off the meds again Mike crazy obv
> >
> > OK bucko, stop tying sophmoric one liners and tell me where I'm wrong.
> >
> > Irish Mike
>
>
> Well bucko, Israel is in violation of United Nations resolution 242 which
> calls for Israel to remove its troops from the occupied territories of
> Gaza, West Bank and East Jerusalem. Since 1967 they have failed to do so.
> Virtually every other (US withstanding maybe Kazhistan as well) nation has
> urged Israel to comply with UN resolution. The Palestinians are willing to
> die for the land that is rightfully theirs while the Jews try to set up
> communities in their land. Israel should just back off

Only problem with that argument is that Hamas (and their sponsor Iran)
advocate the destruction of the entire state of Israel. They would not be
content with just Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Just as the
Arab world was not content with this in 1948 and 1967...they went to war
with Israel because they were not satisfied with Gaza, the West Bank and
the entire city of Jerusalem (not merely East Jerusalem).

The resolution passed by the UN General Assembly (not the Security
Council) was a nice attempt to establish a framework that could be the
basis for negotiations, but it ignores the reality of the
situation...which is that Gaza is "governed" by a orgamization that
advocates the destruction of Israel.

If Hamas would recognize Israel's right to exist, renounce terrorism, and
agree to negotiate a two-state solution with Israel, then Israel would be
happy to negotiate and would be even happier to allow the people of Gaza
to live normal lives.

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Date: 07 Jan 2009 17:12:02
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 7 2009 10:42 AM, JerseyRudy wrote:

> On Jan 6 2009 11:02 PM, Phillip_Stankiwiecz II wrote:
>
> > On Jan 6 2009 8:48 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >
> > > "Phillip_Stankiwiecz II" <aca2700@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> > > news:vqbd36xv4l.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > > > On Jan 6 2009 6:45 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> "TT" <gold@Olympics.org> wrote in message
> > > >> news:pHQ8l.115135$_03.114382@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
> > > >> > Wayne wrote:
> > > >> >> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display
yet
> > > >> >> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the
> > > >> > chosen
> > > >> > people.
> > > >>
> > > >> More accurately bucko, that's what you get when a bunch of muslim
> > > >> terrorists
> > > >> set up their rocket launchers in the middle of civilian
neighborhoods.
> > > >> It's
> > > >> always amusing to listen to the "logic" of the lunatic liberal left.
> > > >> They
> > > >> have no problem with Hamas using Palestinian women and kids as human
> > > >> shields. They have no problem with Hamas firing thousands of rockets
> in
> > > >> to
> > > >> Israel. But when Israel finally retaliates and some of the Hamas
human
> > > >> shields get killed as collateral damage, they are suddendly outraged
and
> > > >> blame the Israelis. Israel pulled out of Gaza, gave it to the
> > > >> Palestineans
> > > >> and built a wall to keep the Palestineans from sending suicide bombers
> in
> > > >> to
> > > >> Israel. The Palestineans could have lived in peace in Gaza. But
Hamas
> > > >> doesn't want peace because they need a war with Israel to justify
their
> > > >> fanatic existence. So they fired thousands of rockets in to Israeli
> > > >> neighborhoods. Hamas wanted this war.
> > > >>
> > > >> Irish Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Whew...off the meds again Mike crazy obv
> > >
> > > OK bucko, stop tying sophmoric one liners and tell me where I'm wrong.
> > >
> > > Irish Mike
> >
> >
> > Well bucko, Israel is in violation of United Nations resolution 242 which
> > calls for Israel to remove its troops from the occupied territories of
> > Gaza, West Bank and East Jerusalem. Since 1967 they have failed to do so.
> > Virtually every other (US withstanding maybe Kazhistan as well) nation has
> > urged Israel to comply with UN resolution. The Palestinians are willing to
> > die for the land that is rightfully theirs while the Jews try to set up
> > communities in their land. Israel should just back off
>
> Only problem with that argument is that Hamas (and their sponsor Iran)
> advocate the destruction of the entire state of Israel. They would not be
> content with just Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Just as the
> Arab world was not content with this in 1948 and 1967...they went to war
> with Israel because they were not satisfied with Gaza, the West Bank and
> the entire city of Jerusalem (not merely East Jerusalem).
>
> The resolution passed by the UN General Assembly (not the Security
> Council) was a nice attempt to establish a framework that could be the
> basis for negotiations, but it ignores the reality of the
> situation...which is that Gaza is "governed" by a orgamization that
> advocates the destruction of Israel.
>
> If Hamas would recognize Israel's right to exist, renounce terrorism, and
> agree to negotiate a two-state solution with Israel, then Israel would be
> happy to negotiate and would be even happier to allow the people of Gaza
> to live normal lives.

Yeah, and once again rainbows and unicorns would return to the land of the
chosen people. Good grief man.

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Date: 09 Jan 2009 00:15:14
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:12:02 -0800, "ChrisRobin"
<a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>> If Hamas would recognize Israel's right to exist, renounce terrorism, and
>> agree to negotiate a two-state solution with Israel, then Israel would be
>> happy to negotiate and would be even happier to allow the people of Gaza
>> to live normal lives.
>
>Yeah, and once again rainbows and unicorns would return to the land of the
>chosen people. Good grief man.

I know what you mean. It's really far-fetched to imagine Hamas ever
agreeing to such a thing.


         
Date: 09 Jan 2009 00:24:45
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid > wrote in message
news:br1em45r6krpgtc3v3ouvvmjmvnk3hlp8v@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:12:02 -0800, "ChrisRobin"
> <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> If Hamas would recognize Israel's right to exist, renounce terrorism,
>>> and
>>> agree to negotiate a two-state solution with Israel, then Israel would
>>> be
>>> happy to negotiate and would be even happier to allow the people of Gaza
>>> to live normal lives.
>>
>>Yeah, and once again rainbows and unicorns would return to the land of the
>>chosen people. Good grief man.
>
> I know what you mean. It's really far-fetched to imagine Hamas ever
> agreeing to such a thing.

IIRC, Hamas is on the record against unicorns.

Jim




          
Date: 09 Jan 2009 02:22:13
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:24:45 -0800, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote:

>"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
>news:br1em45r6krpgtc3v3ouvvmjmvnk3hlp8v@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:12:02 -0800, "ChrisRobin"
>> <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> If Hamas would recognize Israel's right to exist, renounce terrorism,
>>>> and
>>>> agree to negotiate a two-state solution with Israel, then Israel would
>>>> be
>>>> happy to negotiate and would be even happier to allow the people of Gaza
>>>> to live normal lives.
>>>
>>>Yeah, and once again rainbows and unicorns would return to the land of the
>>>chosen people. Good grief man.
>>
>> I know what you mean. It's really far-fetched to imagine Hamas ever
>> agreeing to such a thing.
>
>IIRC, Hamas is on the record against unicorns.
>
>Jim
>

Rumor has it that they're pro-rainbow.


  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 14:36:15
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6 2009 5:12 PM, TT wrote:

> Wayne wrote:
> > http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> >
> > Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> > again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
>
> That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the chosen
> people.
>
>

That's what you get from any people when you fire rockets at them
indiscriminately, whether they are "chosen" or not.

If some group in Northern Mexico were firing rockets into Texas in
retaliation for the Mexican-American War, would you blame the United
States for responding against them with military force? How would you
expect the people in Texas who have family members killed by these rockets
to react?

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Date: 06 Jan 2009 17:45:45
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6 2009 5:36 PM, JerseyRudy wrote:

> On Jan 6 2009 5:12 PM, TT wrote:
>
> > Wayne wrote:
> > > http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> > >
> > > Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> > > again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
> >
> > That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the chosen
> > people.
> >
> >
>
> That's what you get from any people when you fire rockets at them
> indiscriminately, whether they are "chosen" or not.
>
> If some group in Northern Mexico were firing rockets into Texas in
> retaliation for the Mexican-American War, would you blame the United
> States for responding against them with military force? How would you
> expect the people in Texas who have family members killed by these rockets
> to react?

I'm just curious, Rudy. What part of the word "occupation" do you not
understand?

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Date: 06 Jan 2009 19:51:24
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
ChrisRobin wrote:
> On Jan 6 2009 5:36 PM, JerseyRudy wrote:

>> If some group in Northern Mexico were firing rockets into Texas in
>> retaliation for the Mexican-American War, would you blame the United
>> States for responding against them with military force? How would you
>> expect the people in Texas who have family members killed by these rockets
>> to react?
>
> I'm just curious, Rudy. What part of the word "occupation" do you not
> understand?

We don't occupy Mexico, and Israel doesn't occupy Gaza. Please keep up
with the news, it was widely reported when they pulled out several years
ago.

The analogy is close to perfect, seeing how Texas used to be part of
Mexico just as Israel used to be part of Palestine -- but things change
in the world. Some people accept it, others go to their graves (often
prematurely) refusing to accept reality.


--
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Somewhere on the Range


     
Date: 06 Jan 2009 23:28:18
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6 2009 9:51 PM, Joe Long wrote:

> ChrisRobin wrote:
> > On Jan 6 2009 5:36 PM, JerseyRudy wrote:
>
> >> If some group in Northern Mexico were firing rockets into Texas in
> >> retaliation for the Mexican-American War, would you blame the United
> >> States for responding against them with military force? How would you
> >> expect the people in Texas who have family members killed by these rockets
> >> to react?
> >
> > I'm just curious, Rudy. What part of the word "occupation" do you not
> > understand?
>
> We don't occupy Mexico, and Israel doesn't occupy Gaza. Please keep up
> with the news, it was widely reported when they pulled out several years
> ago.

Then how is it that Israel managed to cut off supplies to Gaza when they
see fit? How is it that they prevent food and medicine from reaching Gaza,
and prevent Palestinian civilians from leaving Gaza?

Because Gaza is fenced in. Blockaded. Surrounded by barbed wire and
machine-gun wielding IDF soldiers, Israeli warships patrolling Gaza's
shores. There's no place for them to go. Effectively, an occupation.

> The analogy is close to perfect, seeing how Texas used to be part of
> Mexico just as Israel used to be part of Palestine -- but things change
> in the world. Some people accept it, others go to their graves (often
> prematurely) refusing to accept reality.

Your grasp on reality is tenuous at best.

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Date: 08 Jan 2009 16:43:57
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
ChrisRobin wrote:
> On Jan 6 2009 9:51 PM, Joe Long wrote:

>> We don't occupy Mexico, and Israel doesn't occupy Gaza. Please keep up
>> with the news, it was widely reported when they pulled out several years
>> ago.
>
> Then how is it that Israel managed to cut off supplies to Gaza when they
> see fit? How is it that they prevent food and medicine from reaching Gaza,
> and prevent Palestinian civilians from leaving Gaza?
>
> Because Gaza is fenced in. Blockaded. Surrounded by barbed wire and
> machine-gun wielding IDF soldiers, Israeli warships patrolling Gaza's
> shores. There's no place for them to go. Effectively, an occupation.
>
>> The analogy is close to perfect, seeing how Texas used to be part of
>> Mexico just as Israel used to be part of Palestine -- but things change
>> in the world. Some people accept it, others go to their graves (often
>> prematurely) refusing to accept reality.
>
> Your grasp on reality is tenuous at best.

Check your grasp of geography. Gaza has a common border with Egypt, an
Arab state. The last I heard there were no IDF forces inside Egypt.

The purpose of Israel blockading what they can is to prevent the
shipment of weapons into Gaza that are used to attack Israel. If Gaza
made peace with Israel there would be no blockade at all.


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Date: 06 Jan 2009 23:30:34
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
"ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:i52e36xeq4.ln2@recgroups.com...

<... >

> Because Gaza is fenced in. Blockaded. Surrounded by barbed wire and
> machine-gun wielding IDF soldiers, Israeli warships patrolling Gaza's
> shores. There's no place for them to go. Effectively, an occupation.

How do you think Iran is getting the munitions in?

I'm at a loss to explain it myself.

Jim




       
Date: 07 Jan 2009 17:07:26
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 7 2009 2:30 AM, Clave wrote:

> "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:i52e36xeq4.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> <...>
>
> > Because Gaza is fenced in. Blockaded. Surrounded by barbed wire and
> > machine-gun wielding IDF soldiers, Israeli warships patrolling Gaza's
> > shores. There's no place for them to go. Effectively, an occupation.
>
> How do you think Iran is getting the munitions in?
>
> I'm at a loss to explain it myself.

That's an awfully good question. Assuming the munitions are actually
Iranian, of course.

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Date: 07 Jan 2009 20:28:00
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:07:26 -0800, "ChrisRobin"
<a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>On Jan 7 2009 2:30 AM, Clave wrote:
>
>> "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:i52e36xeq4.ln2@recgroups.com...
>>
>> <...>
>>
>> > Because Gaza is fenced in. Blockaded. Surrounded by barbed wire and
>> > machine-gun wielding IDF soldiers, Israeli warships patrolling Gaza's
>> > shores. There's no place for them to go. Effectively, an occupation.
>>
>> How do you think Iran is getting the munitions in?
>>
>> I'm at a loss to explain it myself.
>
>That's an awfully good question. Assuming the munitions are actually
>Iranian, of course.
>

Some are built in shops in Gaza.
Some are built in Iran.
Some are built in China.



        
Date: 07 Jan 2009 17:45:46
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
"ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:e70g36x42d.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 7 2009 2:30 AM, Clave wrote:
>
>> "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:i52e36xeq4.ln2@recgroups.com...
>>
>> <...>
>>
>> > Because Gaza is fenced in. Blockaded. Surrounded by barbed wire and
>> > machine-gun wielding IDF soldiers, Israeli warships patrolling Gaza's
>> > shores. There's no place for them to go. Effectively, an occupation.
>>
>> How do you think Iran is getting the munitions in?
>>
>> I'm at a loss to explain it myself.
>
> That's an awfully good question. Assuming the munitions are actually
> Iranian, of course.

Israel sure seems to think so. That's all I'm going on.

Jim




         
Date: 08 Jan 2009 10:31:03
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 7 2009 8:45 PM, Clave wrote:

> "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:e70g36x42d.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Jan 7 2009 2:30 AM, Clave wrote:
> >
> >> "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:i52e36xeq4.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >>
> >> <...>
> >>
> >> > Because Gaza is fenced in. Blockaded. Surrounded by barbed wire and
> >> > machine-gun wielding IDF soldiers, Israeli warships patrolling Gaza's
> >> > shores. There's no place for them to go. Effectively, an occupation.
> >>
> >> How do you think Iran is getting the munitions in?
> >>
> >> I'm at a loss to explain it myself.
> >
> > That's an awfully good question. Assuming the munitions are actually
> > Iranian, of course.
>
> Israel sure seems to think so. That's all I'm going on.

Well, our own military told us that Iran was supplying Iraqi insurgents
with IEDs... I'd certainly take any similar Israeli assertions with a
grain of salt.

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Date: 08 Jan 2009 19:40:10
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:31:03 -0800, "ChrisRobin"
<a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>On Jan 7 2009 8:45 PM, Clave wrote:
>
>> "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:e70g36x42d.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > On Jan 7 2009 2:30 AM, Clave wrote:
>> >
>> >> "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> news:i52e36xeq4.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> >>
>> >> <...>
>> >>
>> >> > Because Gaza is fenced in. Blockaded. Surrounded by barbed wire and
>> >> > machine-gun wielding IDF soldiers, Israeli warships patrolling Gaza's
>> >> > shores. There's no place for them to go. Effectively, an occupation.
>> >>
>> >> How do you think Iran is getting the munitions in?
>> >>
>> >> I'm at a loss to explain it myself.
>> >
>> > That's an awfully good question. Assuming the munitions are actually
>> > Iranian, of course.
>>
>> Israel sure seems to think so. That's all I'm going on.
>
>Well, our own military told us that Iran was supplying Iraqi insurgents
>with IEDs... I'd certainly take any similar Israeli assertions with a
>grain of salt.
>

IED simply means "Improvised explosive device."
Palestinians have been making improvised explosive devices for quite a
while now.

I seriously doubt that they would need to import IEDs from anywhere.

If you want to talk about longer range rocket now, that's a whole
different topic.


       
Date: 07 Jan 2009 06:03:38
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
"Clave"

>> Because Gaza is fenced in. Blockaded. Surrounded by barbed wire and
>> machine-gun wielding IDF soldiers, Israeli warships patrolling Gaza's
>> shores. There's no place for them to go. Effectively, an occupation.
>
> How do you think Iran is getting the munitions in?
>
> I'm at a loss to explain it myself.

It might have something to do with the Mediterranean Sea.




        
Date: 07 Jan 2009 14:25:58
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
"da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:jqGdnV5ertq_B_nU4p2dnAA@giganews.com...
> "Clave"
>
>>> Because Gaza is fenced in. Blockaded. Surrounded by barbed wire and
>>> machine-gun wielding IDF soldiers, Israeli warships patrolling Gaza's
>>> shores. There's no place for them to go. Effectively, an occupation.
>>
>> How do you think Iran is getting the munitions in?
>>
>> I'm at a loss to explain it myself.
>
> It might have something to do with the Mediterranean Sea.

What about the "warships patrolling Gaza's shore" thing?

Jim




    
Date: 06 Jan 2009 20:43:08
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:45:45 -0800, "ChrisRobin"
<a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>On Jan 6 2009 5:36 PM, JerseyRudy wrote:
>
>> On Jan 6 2009 5:12 PM, TT wrote:
>>
>> > Wayne wrote:
>> > > http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
>> > >
>> > > Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
>> > > again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
>> >
>> > That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the chosen
>> > people.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> That's what you get from any people when you fire rockets at them
>> indiscriminately, whether they are "chosen" or not.
>>
>> If some group in Northern Mexico were firing rockets into Texas in
>> retaliation for the Mexican-American War, would you blame the United
>> States for responding against them with military force? How would you
>> expect the people in Texas who have family members killed by these rockets
>> to react?
>
>I'm just curious, Rudy. What part of the word "occupation" do you not
>understand?
>

Did you not understand that the Israelis pulled out of Gaza, lock
stock and barrel, in 2005?
They pulled every single Jewish settlement out of Gaza.

I do believe that I have already told you this once before.

So where do you get this "occupation" crap to excuse the rockets being
fired into Israeli territory all these years?


     
Date: 06 Jan 2009 23:32:49
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6 2009 9:43 PM, FL Turbo wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:45:45 -0800, "ChrisRobin"
> <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On Jan 6 2009 5:36 PM, JerseyRudy wrote:
> >
> >> On Jan 6 2009 5:12 PM, TT wrote:
> >>
> >> > Wayne wrote:
> >> > > http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
> >> > >
> >> > > Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> >> > > again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
> >> >
> >> > That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the
chosen
> >> > people.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> That's what you get from any people when you fire rockets at them
> >> indiscriminately, whether they are "chosen" or not.
> >>
> >> If some group in Northern Mexico were firing rockets into Texas in
> >> retaliation for the Mexican-American War, would you blame the United
> >> States for responding against them with military force? How would you
> >> expect the people in Texas who have family members killed by these rockets
> >> to react?
> >
> >I'm just curious, Rudy. What part of the word "occupation" do you not
> >understand?
> >
>
> Did you not understand that the Israelis pulled out of Gaza, lock
> stock and barrel, in 2005?
> They pulled every single Jewish settlement out of Gaza.

And yet still, magically, Israel manages to control the flow of everything
– including Palestinian citizens – in and out of Gaza.

> I do believe that I have already told you this once before.
>
> So where do you get this "occupation" crap to excuse the rockets being
> fired into Israeli territory all these years?

Do you prefer the word "blockade"? Whatever spin of language you prefer,
Gaza is blockaded — generally recognized by sovereign powers as an act of
war. Quibbling over language doesn't change the basic facts on the ground.

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Date: 08 Jan 2009 16:47:52
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
ChrisRobin wrote:
> On Jan 6 2009 9:43 PM, FL Turbo wrote:

>> So where do you get this "occupation" crap to excuse the rockets being
>> fired into Israeli territory all these years?
>
> Do you prefer the word "blockade"? Whatever spin of language you prefer,
> Gaza is blockaded — generally recognized by sovereign powers as an act of
> war. Quibbling over language doesn't change the basic facts on the ground.

Firing rockets at another country is also generally recognized by
sovereign powers as an act of war -- one which justifies a blockade.
But Israel cannot blockade Gaza by itself -- Gaza has a common border
with Egypt, an Arab nation.

BTW, I think one possible step Israel could take would be to establish
and occupy a five-mile "safety zone" along the Gaza-Egypt border (inside
Gaza, of course), so they could more effectively restrict the flow of
rockets and other weapons into Gaza. A zone they could turn back over
to Gaza once a real peace treaty was in effect.


--
Joe Long aka ChipRider
Somewhere on the Range


   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 18:34:04
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza

"JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:vv2d36xknj.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 6 2009 5:12 PM, TT wrote:
>
>> Wayne wrote:
>> > http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
>> >
>> > Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
>> > again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
>>
>> That's what you get from religious folks who claim themselves the chosen
>> people.
>>
>>
>
> That's what you get from any people when you fire rockets at them
> indiscriminately, whether they are "chosen" or not.
>
> If some group in Northern Mexico were firing rockets into Texas in
> retaliation for the Mexican-American War, would you blame the United
> States for responding against them with military force? How would you
> expect the people in Texas who have family members killed by these rockets
> to react?

Careful Jersey, talk like that will get your membership card in the lunatic
liberal left revoked.

Irish Mike




 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 13:15:14
From: Calimero
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6, 10:13=A0pm, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=3D80881§ionid=3D351021701

LOL!
Iran!!!!

> Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> again. Clearly the most moral army in history.


Despair and die, Nazi scum ...

Max



  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 16:26:48
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Israel kills 215 kids, 98 women in Gaza
On Jan 6 2009 4:15 PM, Calimero wrote:

> On Jan 6, 10:13 pm, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80881§ionid=351021701
>
> LOL!
> Iran!!!!
>
> > Nice one Israel. The old Zionist "purity of arms" in full display yet
> > again. Clearly the most moral army in history.
>
>
> Despair and die, Nazi scum ...
>
> Max
You don't help your cause at all. Maybe if you didn't accuse people that
disagree with Israel nazis, less Jews would be persecuted. Please stop
defending the Jews, that way they have a chance.

Atheism is drawing dead

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