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Date: 10 Jan 2009 08:57:31
From: risky biz
Subject: Israel is Jewish nazism
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"Israeli troops supported by tanks took Zeitoun quickly and at dawn on
Sunday they went house to house detaining men of fighting age and
corralling the remaining people, mostly women and children, in a few large
houses.
Up to 110 members of the extended Samouni clan were put into one building
without water, heating or food.
At dawn on Monday it was shelled repeatedly by Israeli forces. Survivors
described seeing bodies with brains oozing out.
Surviving members of the Samouni family described how the Israeli soldiers
went from house to house detaining younger men and then crowding a large
number, mostly women and children, into a single building.
Meysa Samouni, 19, said up to 110 members of the Samouni family were
forced inside without running water or food.
She said: "When the missile stuck, I lay down with my daughter under me.
Everything filled up with smoke and dust, and I heard screams and crying."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/4209242/Israeli-strike-on-civilian-house-may-be-war-crime-says-UN-gaza.html
January 10, 2009
Israel Rejected Hamas Cease-Fire Offer in December
by Gareth Porter
http://www.antiwar.com/porter/?articleid=14031
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 16:21:19
From: MZB
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Just in case nobody was aware of your true colors.
I never heard you complain about the years of unprovoked rocket attacks by
Hamas and their ilk.
No tears for those civilians, right?
Let's put it this way: if Hamas stopped with the rockets, there would be no
war. If Israel stopped fighting now, the rockets would continue.
Mel
"risky biz" <risky-biz@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
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> "Israeli troops supported by tanks took Zeitoun quickly and at dawn on
> Sunday they went house to house detaining men of fighting age and
> corralling the remaining people, mostly women and children, in a few large
> houses.
>
> Up to 110 members of the extended Samouni clan were put into one building
> without water, heating or food.
>
> At dawn on Monday it was shelled repeatedly by Israeli forces. Survivors
> described seeing bodies with brains oozing out.
>
> Surviving members of the Samouni family described how the Israeli soldiers
> went from house to house detaining younger men and then crowding a large
> number, mostly women and children, into a single building.
>
> Meysa Samouni, 19, said up to 110 members of the Samouni family were
> forced inside without running water or food.
>
> She said: "When the missile stuck, I lay down with my daughter under me.
> Everything filled up with smoke and dust, and I heard screams and crying."
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/4209242/Israeli-strike-on-civilian-house-may-be-war-crime-says-UN-gaza.html
>
>
> January 10, 2009
> Israel Rejected Hamas Cease-Fire Offer in December
> by Gareth Porter
> http://www.antiwar.com/porter/?articleid=14031
>
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 20:04:52
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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On Jan 11 2009 4:21 PM, MZB wrote:
> Just in case nobody was aware of your true colors.
>
> I never heard you complain about the years of unprovoked rocket attacks by
> Hamas and their ilk.
>
> No tears for those civilians, right?
>
> Let's put it this way: if Hamas stopped with the rockets, there would be no
> war. If Israel stopped fighting now, the rockets would continue.
Unprovoked? Are you fucking kidding, Mel? Israel has held Gaza hostage for
50 years. There's half a century worth of provocation there.
You people are truly unbelievable. Somewhere, Orwell is rolling over in
his grave.
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 23:18:40
From: risky biz
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On Jan 11 2009 9:04 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> On Jan 11 2009 4:21 PM, MZB wrote:
>
> > Just in case nobody was aware of your true colors.
> >
> > I never heard you complain about the years of unprovoked rocket attacks by
> > Hamas and their ilk.
> >
> > No tears for those civilians, right?
> >
> > Let's put it this way: if Hamas stopped with the rockets, there would be
no
> > war. If Israel stopped fighting now, the rockets would continue.
>
> Unprovoked? Are you fucking kidding, Mel? Israel has held Gaza hostage for
> 50 years. There's half a century worth of provocation there.
>
> You people are truly unbelievable. Somewhere, Orwell is rolling over in
> his grave.
In Mel's case it's called "American liberalism". In Joe Long's case it's
called American ethical idiocy. In pokertoker/neverchop's case it's called
the reason flypaper was invented.
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 18:57:49
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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On Jan 11 2009 2:21 PM, MZB wrote:
> Just in case nobody was aware of your true colors.
>
> I never heard you complain about the years of unprovoked rocket attacks by
> Hamas and their ilk.
>
> No tears for those civilians, right?
>
> Let's put it this way: if Hamas stopped with the rockets, there would be no
> war.
Hamas stopped the rockets for six months and what they got from Israel was
a blockage of 85% of the commerce in and out of Gaza. If someone did that
to America I would consider it an act of war. If someone did that to
America would you consider it an act of war or would you not consider it
an act of war? If you didn't consider it an act of war what would you
consider it? Please answer that question, Mel.
> If Israel stopped fighting now, the rockets would continue.
>
> Mel
>
>
> "risky biz" <risky-biz@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:rk0n36xd8c.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > "Israeli troops supported by tanks took Zeitoun quickly and at dawn on
> > Sunday they went house to house detaining men of fighting age and
> > corralling the remaining people, mostly women and children, in a few large
> > houses.
> >
> > Up to 110 members of the extended Samouni clan were put into one building
> > without water, heating or food.
> >
> > At dawn on Monday it was shelled repeatedly by Israeli forces. Survivors
> > described seeing bodies with brains oozing out.
> >
> > Surviving members of the Samouni family described how the Israeli soldiers
> > went from house to house detaining younger men and then crowding a large
> > number, mostly women and children, into a single building.
> >
> > Meysa Samouni, 19, said up to 110 members of the Samouni family were
> > forced inside without running water or food.
> >
> > She said: "When the missile stuck, I lay down with my daughter under me.
> > Everything filled up with smoke and dust, and I heard screams and crying."
> >
>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/4209242/Israeli-strike-on-civilian-house-may-be-war-crime-says-UN-gaza.html
> >
> >
> > January 10, 2009
> > Israel Rejected Hamas Cease-Fire Offer in December
> > by Gareth Porter
> > http://www.antiwar.com/porter/?articleid=14031
> >
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Date: 12 Jan 2009 00:27:53
From: MZB
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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I repeat:
You seem to have no concern for the rockets being fired, killing Israeli
civilians.
I guess Israel should just keep taking it and not respond.
BTW, what about those suicide bombers? Are you pro-suicide bombers too??
There is no justification for any of the above.
And this type of mentality represents our "friends"? Hmmm...do you really
think ANY of the Arab countries, when push comes to shove, would be our
friends. Remember, we are the Great Satan.
Israel is the best friend we got. I haven't seen any Israeli suicide
bombers. Israel did not perpetrate 9/11.
Mel
"risky biz" <risky-biz@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:d6oq36x16v.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 11 2009 2:21 PM, MZB wrote:
>
>> Just in case nobody was aware of your true colors.
>>
>> I never heard you complain about the years of unprovoked rocket attacks
>> by
>> Hamas and their ilk.
>>
>> No tears for those civilians, right?
>>
>> Let's put it this way: if Hamas stopped with the rockets, there would be
>> no
>> war.
>
> Hamas stopped the rockets for six months and what they got from Israel was
> a blockage of 85% of the commerce in and out of Gaza. If someone did that
> to America I would consider it an act of war. If someone did that to
> America would you consider it an act of war or would you not consider it
> an act of war? If you didn't consider it an act of war what would you
> consider it? Please answer that question, Mel.
>
>
>> If Israel stopped fighting now, the rockets would continue.
>>
>> Mel
>>
>>
>> "risky biz" <risky-biz@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:rk0n36xd8c.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > "Israeli troops supported by tanks took Zeitoun quickly and at dawn on
>> > Sunday they went house to house detaining men of fighting age and
>> > corralling the remaining people, mostly women and children, in a few
>> > large
>> > houses.
>> >
>> > Up to 110 members of the extended Samouni clan were put into one
>> > building
>> > without water, heating or food.
>> >
>> > At dawn on Monday it was shelled repeatedly by Israeli forces.
>> > Survivors
>> > described seeing bodies with brains oozing out.
>> >
>> > Surviving members of the Samouni family described how the Israeli
>> > soldiers
>> > went from house to house detaining younger men and then crowding a
>> > large
>> > number, mostly women and children, into a single building.
>> >
>> > Meysa Samouni, 19, said up to 110 members of the Samouni family were
>> > forced inside without running water or food.
>> >
>> > She said: "When the missile stuck, I lay down with my daughter under
>> > me.
>> > Everything filled up with smoke and dust, and I heard screams and
>> > crying."
>> >
>>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/4209242/Israeli-strike-on-civilian-house-may-be-war-crime-says-UN-gaza.html
>> >
>> >
>> > January 10, 2009
>> > Israel Rejected Hamas Cease-Fire Offer in December
>> > by Gareth Porter
>> > http://www.antiwar.com/porter/?articleid=14031
>> >
>
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 23:15:05
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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On Jan 11 2009 10:27 PM, MZB wrote:
> I repeat:
>
> You seem to have no concern for the rockets being fired, killing Israeli
> civilians.
> I guess Israel should just keep taking it and not respond.
>
> BTW, what about those suicide bombers? Are you pro-suicide bombers too??
>
> There is no justification for any of the above.
>
> And this type of mentality represents our "friends"? Hmmm...do you really
> think ANY of the Arab countries, when push comes to shove, would be our
> friends. Remember, we are the Great Satan.
>
> Israel is the best friend we got. I haven't seen any Israeli suicide
> bombers. Israel did not perpetrate 9/11.
>
> Mel
Yeah, all they did was maybe monitor it closely (
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=2506 ) and jump up and down for
joy when it happened:
The White Van
Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?
Copyright © 2004 ABC News Internet Ventures
June 21
— Millions saw the horrific images of the World Trade Center attacks, and
those who saw them won't forget them. But a New Jersey homemaker saw
something that morning that prompted an investigation into five young
Israelis and their possible connection to Israeli intelligence.
Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a view of the World
Trade Center from her New Jersey apartment building. She remembers a
neighbor calling her shortly after the first plane hit the towers. She
grabbed her binoculars and watched the destruction unfolding in lower
Manhattan. But as she watched the disaster, something else caught her eye.
Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in
the parking lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a
movie," Maria said.
The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade
Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the
expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know … They
didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.
She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate
number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on
the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.
The plate number was traced to a van owned by a company called Urban
Moving. Around 4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was spotted on a service road
off Route 3, near New Jersey's Giants Stadium. A police officer pulled the
van over, finding five men, between 22 and 27 years old, in the vehicle.
The men were taken out of the van at gunpoint and handcuffed by police.
The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion
about the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his
sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was found
in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when
the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens.
‘We Are Not Your Problem’
According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers
they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident"
— referring to the World Trade Center attack. The driver of the van, Sivan
Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem.
Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem." The
other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner
and Omer Marmari.
When the men were transferred to jail, the case was transferred out of the
FBI's Criminal Division, and into the bureau's Foreign Counterintelligence
Section, which is responsible for espionage cases, ABCNEWS has learned.
One reason for the shift, sources told ABCNEWS, was that the FBI believed
Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence
operation.
After the five men were arrested, the FBI got a warrant and searched Urban
Moving's Weehawken, N.J., offices.
The FBI searched Urban Moving's offices for several hours, removing boxes
of documents and a dozen computer hard drives. The FBI also questioned
Urban Moving's owner. His attorney insists that his client answered all
of the FBI's questions. But when FBI agents tried to interview him again a
few days later, he was gone.
Three months later 20-20's cameras photographed the inside of Urban
Moving, and it looked as if the business had been shut down in a big
hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones were still connected;
and the property of dozens of clients remained in the warehouse.
The owner had also cleared out of his New Jersey home, put it up for sale
and returned with his family to Israel.
‘A Scary Situation’
Steven Gordon, the attorney for the five Israeli detainees, acknowledged
that his clients' actions on Sept. 11 would easily have aroused
suspicions. "You got a group of guys that are taking pictures, on top of
a roof, of the World Trade Center. They're speaking in a foreign language.
They got two passports on 'em. One's got a wad of cash on him, and they
got box cutters. Now that's a scary situation."
But Gordon insisted that his clients were just five young men who had come
to America for a vacation, ended up working for a moving company, and were
taking pictures of the event.
The five Israelis were held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in
Brooklyn, ostensibly for overstaying their tourist visas and working in
the United States illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an immigration
judge ordered them to be deported. But sources told ABCNEWS that FBI and
CIA officials in Washington put a hold on the case.
The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of them
were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days, and some of them were
given as many as seven lie-detector tests.
Plenty of Speculation
Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and
what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a
respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that
two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.
Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with
the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities'
interest in the case was heightened when some of the men's names were
found in a search of a national intelligence database.
Israeli Intelligence Connection?
According to Cannistraro, many people in the U.S. intelligence community
believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli
intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation as to whether Urban
Moving had been "set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an
intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly
in the New Jersey-New York area."
Under this scenario, the alleged spying operation was not aimed against
the United States, but at penetrating or monitoring radical fund-raising
and support networks in Muslim communities like Paterson, N.J., which was
one of the places where several of the hijackers lived in the months prior
to Sept. 11.
For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be
difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test
for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his
lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he
had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.
Sources say the Israelis were targeting these fund-raising networks
because they were thought to be channeling money to Hamas and Islamic
Jihad, groups that are responsible for most of the suicide bombings in
Israel. "[The] Israeli government has been very concerned about the
activity of radical Islamic groups in the United States that could be a
support apparatus to Hamas and Islamic Jihad," Cannistraro said.
The men denied that they had been working for Israeli intelligence out of
the New Jersey moving company, and Ram Horvitz, their Israeli attorney,
dismissed the allegations as "stupid and ridiculous."
Mark Regev, the spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, goes even
further, asserting the issue was never even discussed with U.S. officials.
"These five men were not involved in any intelligence operation in the
United States, and the American intelligence authorities have never raised
this issue with us," Regev said. "The story is simply false."
No ‘Pre-Knowledge’
Despite the denials, sources tell ABCNEWS there is still debate within the
FBI over whether or not the young men were spies. Many U.S. government
officials still believe that some of them were on a mission for Israeli
intelligence. But the FBI told ABCNEWS, "To date, this investigation has
not identified anybody who in this country had pre-knowledge of the events
of 9/11."
Sources also said that even if the men were spies, there is no evidence to
conclude they had advance knowledge of the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11.
The investigation, at the end of the day, after all the polygraphs, all of
the field work, all the cross-checking, the intelligence work, concluded
that they probably did not have advance knowledge of 9/11," Cannistraro
noted.
As to what they were doing on the van, they say they read about the attack
on the Internet, couldn't see it from their offices and went to the
parking lot for a better view. But no one has been able to find a good
explanation for why they may have been smiling with the towers of the
World Trade Center burning in the background. Both the lawyers for the
young men and the Israeli Embassy chalk it up to immature conduct.
According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked
out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail,
put on a plane, and deported back home.
While the former detainees refused to answer ABCNEWS' questions about
their detention and what they were doing on Sept. 11, several of the
detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show
after their return home.
Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the
morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a
country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the
event."
ABCNEWS' Chris Isham, John Miller, Glenn Silber and Chris Vlasto
contributed to this report.
Copyright © 2004 ABC News Internet Ventures.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 16:55:35
From: Joe Long
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MZB wrote:
> Just in case nobody was aware of your true colors.
>
> I never heard you complain about the years of unprovoked rocket attacks by
> Hamas and their ilk.
>
> No tears for those civilians, right?
>
> Let's put it this way: if Hamas stopped with the rockets, there would be no
> war. If Israel stopped fighting now, the rockets would continue.
Risky and other Hamas apologists simply ignore the basic asymmetry of
the conflict. Hamas and Hezbollah are dedicated to the destruction of
Israel and driving the Jews into the sea. Israel is not dedicated to
the destruction of the Palestinians or driving the Muslims into the sea,
they are quite willing to accept a neighboring Palestinian State that is
willing to live in peace with Israel.
This means that Hamas, Hezbollah and Fatah can stop the violence any
time they want, by negotiating a real peace treaty with Israel, and get
about improving the life of the Palestinian people. The blockades of
Gaza would end, occupation of Palestinian land would end, and the cycle
of violence and death would end. Both Israel and Palestine would prosper.
Israel cannot stop the violence by any means short of surrender and
accepting genocide of its citizens. Well, except for killing all the
Palestinians and I doubt Risky and his friends would like that solution.
When ideologues like Risky call Israel "nazi" it just shows how far out
of touch with reality they are.
--
Joe Long aka ChipRider
Somewhere on the Range
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 20:02:08
From: ChrisRobin
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On Jan 11 2009 6:55 PM, Joe Long wrote:
> MZB wrote:
> > Just in case nobody was aware of your true colors.
> >
> > I never heard you complain about the years of unprovoked rocket attacks by
> > Hamas and their ilk.
> >
> > No tears for those civilians, right?
> >
> > Let's put it this way: if Hamas stopped with the rockets, there would be
no
> > war. If Israel stopped fighting now, the rockets would continue.
>
> Risky and other Hamas apologists simply ignore the basic asymmetry of
> the conflict. Hamas and Hezbollah are dedicated to the destruction of
> Israel and driving the Jews into the sea. Israel is not dedicated to
> the destruction of the Palestinians or driving the Muslims into the sea,
> they are quite willing to accept a neighboring Palestinian State that is
> willing to live in peace with Israel.
Asymmetry? Ohmyfucking god, Joe. You have to be truly off your rocker to
use that term. What about the asymmetry of a nuclear-armed nation state,
with a full and robust air force and heavy ground forces (tanks, mortars,
etc.) waging war on a civilian population armed only with homemade rockets
and small arms? Is that enough "asymmetry" for you?
I think you need to show your work when you blindly conclude that Israel
is "not dedicated to the destruction of Palestinians," and that they're
eager for a peaceful settlement. I see no evidence of this claim, likely
because it's a figment of your imagination. The IDF is slaughtering
civilians by the hundreds, in their own homes. Seems to be the very
definition of "destruction of the Palestinians" to me — certainly a more
concrete example than vague threats by Hamas and largely ineffectual
rocket attacks.
> This means that Hamas, Hezbollah and Fatah can stop the violence any
> time they want, by negotiating a real peace treaty with Israel, and get
> about improving the life of the Palestinian people. The blockades of
> Gaza would end, occupation of Palestinian land would end, and the cycle
> of violence and death would end. Both Israel and Palestine would prosper.
You are making a GIGANTIC logical leap by assuming that Israel wants
peace, and that any capitulation by Hamas would bring about a betterment
of the Palestinians' situation. Truly, staggeringly, mind-bogglingly
gigantic. But I guess these are the kind of logical leaps you need to
support a nation engaged in a 5 decade war crime, yes?
> Israel cannot stop the violence by any means short of surrender and
> accepting genocide of its citizens. Well, except for killing all the
> Palestinians and I doubt Risky and his friends would like that solution.
Please explain how exactly the Palestinians are going to manage an Israeli
"genocide" with their homemade rockets and small arms. You know, their
enormous asymmetric military disadvantage. This is simply laughable.
> When ideologues like Risky call Israel "nazi" it just shows how far out
> of touch with reality they are.
Out of touch with reality? Why don't you lecture us about asymmetry, and
about how the Israeli regime is comprised of peace-loving hippies again,
Joe. LMAO!
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 22:21:59
From: Joe Long
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ChrisRobin wrote:
> On Jan 11 2009 6:55 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>> Risky and other Hamas apologists simply ignore the basic asymmetry of
>> the conflict. Hamas and Hezbollah are dedicated to the destruction of
>> Israel and driving the Jews into the sea. Israel is not dedicated to
>> the destruction of the Palestinians or driving the Muslims into the sea,
>> they are quite willing to accept a neighboring Palestinian State that is
>> willing to live in peace with Israel.
>
> Asymmetry? Ohmyfucking god, Joe. You have to be truly off your rocker to
> use that term. What about the asymmetry of a nuclear-armed nation state,
> with a full and robust air force and heavy ground forces (tanks, mortars,
> etc.) waging war on a civilian population armed only with homemade rockets
> and small arms? Is that enough "asymmetry" for you?
I've acknowledged the asymmetry of the military action. It is a very
good thing that Israel has that asymmetrical military strength, or
they'd be all dead. I've pointed out in other posts why the asymmetry
of the current military operation is necessary.
> I think you need to show your work when you blindly conclude that Israel
> is "not dedicated to the destruction of Palestinians," and that they're
> eager for a peaceful settlement. I see no evidence of this claim, likely
> because it's a figment of your imagination. The IDF is slaughtering
> civilians by the hundreds, in their own homes. Seems to be the very
> definition of "destruction of the Palestinians" to me — certainly a more
> concrete example than vague threats by Hamas and largely ineffectual
> rocket attacks.
The clear facts are that Israel has been trying to minimize civilian
casualties, even warning residents before striking. Hamas has been
deliberately targeting civilians.
>> This means that Hamas, Hezbollah and Fatah can stop the violence any
>> time they want, by negotiating a real peace treaty with Israel, and get
>> about improving the life of the Palestinian people. The blockades of
>> Gaza would end, occupation of Palestinian land would end, and the cycle
>> of violence and death would end. Both Israel and Palestine would prosper.
>
> You are making a GIGANTIC logical leap by assuming that Israel wants
> peace, and that any capitulation by Hamas would bring about a betterment
> of the Palestinians' situation. Truly, staggeringly, mind-bogglingly
> gigantic. But I guess these are the kind of logical leaps you need to
> support a nation engaged in a 5 decade war crime, yes?
I've been following this situation since the late 1950s. It has long
been abundantly clear that Israel would love to have a genuine peace
with the Palestinians, but they're not going to sacrifice their security
on empty rhetoric.
The five decades of war crimes applies mainly to Fatah, Hamas and Hezbollah.
>> Israel cannot stop the violence by any means short of surrender and
>> accepting genocide of its citizens. Well, except for killing all the
>> Palestinians and I doubt Risky and his friends would like that solution.
>
> Please explain how exactly the Palestinians are going to manage an Israeli
> "genocide" with their homemade rockets and small arms. You know, their
> enormous asymmetric military disadvantage. This is simply laughable.
That's part of what is so tragic, as well as farcical. As you say,
Hamas can only accomplish its genocide if Israel commits suicide, which
is not going to happen. All that Hamas and Hezbollah can actually
accomplish is to make life unpleasant for most Israelis while killing
and maiming a few -- and by continuing to do so they make life miserable
for the Palestinians and continue the senseless cycles of violence.
>> When ideologues like Risky call Israel "nazi" it just shows how far out
>> of touch with reality they are.
>
> Out of touch with reality? Why don't you lecture us about asymmetry, and
> about how the Israeli regime is comprised of peace-loving hippies again,
> Joe. LMAO!
Laugh away. But if you ever open your mind about this, the truth shall
set you free.
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 22:56:30
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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On Jan 11 2009 10:21 PM, Joe Long wrote:
> ChrisRobin wrote:
> > On Jan 11 2009 6:55 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>
> >> Risky and other Hamas apologists simply ignore the basic asymmetry of
> >> the conflict. Hamas and Hezbollah are dedicated to the destruction of
> >> Israel and driving the Jews into the sea. Israel is not dedicated to
> >> the destruction of the Palestinians or driving the Muslims into the sea,
> >> they are quite willing to accept a neighboring Palestinian State that is
> >> willing to live in peace with Israel.
> >
> > Asymmetry? Ohmyfucking god, Joe. You have to be truly off your rocker to
> > use that term. What about the asymmetry of a nuclear-armed nation state,
> > with a full and robust air force and heavy ground forces (tanks, mortars,
> > etc.) waging war on a civilian population armed only with homemade rockets
> > and small arms? Is that enough "asymmetry" for you?
>
> I've acknowledged the asymmetry of the military action. It is a very
> good thing that Israel has that asymmetrical military strength, or
> they'd be all dead. I've pointed out in other posts why the asymmetry
> of the current military operation is necessary.
>
> > I think you need to show your work when you blindly conclude that Israel
> > is "not dedicated to the destruction of Palestinians," and that they're
> > eager for a peaceful settlement. I see no evidence of this claim, likely
> > because it's a figment of your imagination. The IDF is slaughtering
> > civilians by the hundreds, in their own homes. Seems to be the very
> > definition of "destruction of the Palestinians" to me — certainly a more
> > concrete example than vague threats by Hamas and largely ineffectual
> > rocket attacks.
>
> The clear facts are that Israel has been trying to minimize civilian
> casualties, even warning residents before striking. Hamas has been
> deliberately targeting civilians.
>
> >> This means that Hamas, Hezbollah and Fatah can stop the violence any
> >> time they want, by negotiating a real peace treaty with Israel, and get
> >> about improving the life of the Palestinian people. The blockades of
> >> Gaza would end, occupation of Palestinian land would end, and the cycle
> >> of violence and death would end. Both Israel and Palestine would prosper.
> >
> > You are making a GIGANTIC logical leap by assuming that Israel wants
> > peace, and that any capitulation by Hamas would bring about a betterment
> > of the Palestinians' situation. Truly, staggeringly, mind-bogglingly
> > gigantic. But I guess these are the kind of logical leaps you need to
> > support a nation engaged in a 5 decade war crime, yes?
>
> I've been following this situation since the late 1950s. It has long
> been abundantly clear that Israel would love to have a genuine peace
> with the Palestinians, but they're not going to sacrifice their security
> on empty rhetoric.
>
> The five decades of war crimes applies mainly to Fatah, Hamas and Hezbollah.
>
> >> Israel cannot stop the violence by any means short of surrender and
> >> accepting genocide of its citizens. Well, except for killing all the
> >> Palestinians and I doubt Risky and his friends would like that solution.
> >
> > Please explain how exactly the Palestinians are going to manage an Israeli
> > "genocide" with their homemade rockets and small arms. You know, their
> > enormous asymmetric military disadvantage. This is simply laughable.
>
> That's part of what is so tragic, as well as farcical. As you say,
> Hamas can only accomplish its genocide if Israel commits suicide, which
> is not going to happen. All that Hamas and Hezbollah can actually
> accomplish is to make life unpleasant for most Israelis while killing
> and maiming a few -- and by continuing to do so they make life miserable
> for the Palestinians and continue the senseless cycles of violence.
>
> >> When ideologues like Risky call Israel "nazi" it just shows how far out
> >> of touch with reality they are.
> >
> > Out of touch with reality? Why don't you lecture us about asymmetry, and
> > about how the Israeli regime is comprised of peace-loving hippies again,
> > Joe. LMAO!
>
> Laugh away. But if you ever open your mind about this, the truth shall
> set you free.
Both your mind and any ethics you ever had obviously flew the coop a long
time ago. Every rationalization of Israeli atrocities and degeneracy that
you present could also be offered for nazi Germany and be no less depraved.
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 23:56:09
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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"Joe Long" <nospam@spam.com > wrote in message
news:5cmdnSw3QNDlTvfUnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> ChrisRobin wrote:
> >
> > Asymmetry? Ohmyfucking god, Joe. You have to be truly off your rocker to
>
> Laugh away. But if you ever open your mind about this, the truth shall
> set you free.
>
Yeah, right, set him free. Until he's asked to take an MMPI. Then that
freedom shit will come screeching to a halt for little chrissy. That boy is
not only certifiable - he has a patent on clinical psychosis. If he was ever
examined he would never be released. There are no psych drugs that can
counter that kind of insanity. Chris is truly one in a million. Popinjay
likes to play with him but he's just joking. Chris is the real deal. He
honestly and sincerely believes the government did 9-11. The boy is
absolutely 24K gold plated loony toons. And in his mind only he is right.
EVERYBODY ELSE IS WRONG - lol... The one true sign of a lunatic.
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 19:17:16
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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On Jan 11 2009 4:55 PM, Joe Long wrote:
> MZB wrote:
> > Just in case nobody was aware of your true colors.
> >
> > I never heard you complain about the years of unprovoked rocket attacks by
> > Hamas and their ilk.
> >
> > No tears for those civilians, right?
> >
> > Let's put it this way: if Hamas stopped with the rockets, there would be
no
> > war. If Israel stopped fighting now, the rockets would continue.
>
> Risky and other Hamas apologists simply ignore the basic asymmetry of
> the conflict. Hamas and Hezbollah are dedicated to the destruction of
> Israel and driving the Jews into the sea. Israel is not dedicated to
> the destruction of the Palestinians or driving the Muslims into the sea,
Israel drove the Palestinians into the sea sixty years ago at Jaffa and
the entire existence of Israel has been dedicated to the task to
destroying the Palestinians because if they don't exist anymore then the
homes and land has no claimants other than the Jewish settlers from Europe
and America who seized them from the Palestinians by means of violence.
> they are quite willing to accept a neighboring Palestinian State that is
> willing to live in peace with Israel.
Like the one on the West Bank which has never gotten anything significant
in return other than more and more Jewish settlers and a wall that cut off
their best land and water resources? The one where 85% of the water is
allocated to the 1% of Jewish settlers while the other 15% goes to the
Palestinians who make up 99% of the population?
You and Israel are so full of shit it's pathetic. You're willing to sell
America down the river ethically and economically because you love having
a scapegoat in the world.
> This means that Hamas, Hezbollah and Fatah can stop the violence any
> time they want, by negotiating a real peace treaty with Israel, and get
> about improving the life of the Palestinian people. The blockades of
> Gaza would end,
As pointed out above, Hamas observed a ceasfire for six months and the
blockade continually got worse. This is a well documented fact, anyone who
has read a newspaper the last six months knows it, and you are full of
shit.
> occupation of Palestinian land would end, and the cycle
> of violence and death would end. Both Israel and Palestine would prosper.
>
> Israel cannot stop the violence by any means short of surrender and
> accepting genocide of its citizens. Well, except for killing all the
> Palestinians and I doubt Risky and his friends would like that solution.
>
> When ideologues like Risky call Israel "nazi" it just shows how far out
> of touch with reality they are.
Why are you and the other lovers of Israeli nazism having hemmorhoids over
what I'm saying, then? Just let everyone ignore someone who is so
obviously out of touch with reality. It's only the truth that hurts.
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 22:09:40
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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risky biz wrote:
> On Jan 11 2009 4:55 PM, Joe Long wrote:
> Israel drove the Palestinians into the sea sixty years ago at Jaffa and
> the entire existence of Israel has been dedicated to the task to
> destroying the Palestinians because if they don't exist anymore then the
> homes and land has no claimants other than the Jewish settlers from Europe
> and America who seized them from the Palestinians by means of violence.
Bullshit.
>> they are quite willing to accept a neighboring Palestinian State that is
>> willing to live in peace with Israel.
>
> Like the one on the West Bank which has never gotten anything significant
> in return other than more and more Jewish settlers and a wall that cut off
> their best land and water resources? The one where 85% of the water is
> allocated to the 1% of Jewish settlers while the other 15% goes to the
> Palestinians who make up 99% of the population?
More bullshit.
> You and Israel are so full of shit it's pathetic. You're willing to sell
> America down the river ethically and economically because you love having
> a scapegoat in the world.
>
>
>> This means that Hamas, Hezbollah and Fatah can stop the violence any
>> time they want, by negotiating a real peace treaty with Israel, and get
>> about improving the life of the Palestinian people. The blockades of
>> Gaza would end,
>
> As pointed out above, Hamas observed a ceasfire for six months and the
> blockade continually got worse. This is a well documented fact, anyone who
> has read a newspaper the last six months knows it, and you are full of
> shit.
Bullshit piled higher and deeper.
>> occupation of Palestinian land would end, and the cycle
>> of violence and death would end. Both Israel and Palestine would prosper.
>>
>> Israel cannot stop the violence by any means short of surrender and
>> accepting genocide of its citizens. Well, except for killing all the
>> Palestinians and I doubt Risky and his friends would like that solution.
>>
>> When ideologues like Risky call Israel "nazi" it just shows how far out
>> of touch with reality they are.
>
> Why are you and the other lovers of Israeli nazism having hemmorhoids over
> what I'm saying, then? Just let everyone ignore someone who is so
> obviously out of touch with reality. It's only the truth that hurts.
I don't think your delusions do any harm, you're pretty insignificant.
Those same delusions in the minds of some other people can do harm, but
I can't do anything about that. I don't respond to these diatribes
expecting to enlighten you, or change any country's policy. I only do
it for my own amusement.
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 22:49:33
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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On Jan 11 2009 10:09 PM, Joe Long wrote:
> risky biz wrote:
> > On Jan 11 2009 4:55 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>
> > Israel drove the Palestinians into the sea sixty years ago at Jaffa and
> > the entire existence of Israel has been dedicated to the task to
> > destroying the Palestinians because if they don't exist anymore then the
> > homes and land has no claimants other than the Jewish settlers from Europe
> > and America who seized them from the Palestinians by means of violence.
>
> Bullshit.
>
> >> they are quite willing to accept a neighboring Palestinian State that is
> >> willing to live in peace with Israel.
> >
> > Like the one on the West Bank which has never gotten anything significant
> > in return other than more and more Jewish settlers and a wall that cut off
> > their best land and water resources? The one where 85% of the water is
> > allocated to the 1% of Jewish settlers while the other 15% goes to the
> > Palestinians who make up 99% of the population?
>
> More bullshit.
>
> > You and Israel are so full of shit it's pathetic. You're willing to sell
> > America down the river ethically and economically because you love having
> > a scapegoat in the world.
> >
> >
> >> This means that Hamas, Hezbollah and Fatah can stop the violence any
> >> time they want, by negotiating a real peace treaty with Israel, and get
> >> about improving the life of the Palestinian people. The blockades of
> >> Gaza would end,
> >
> > As pointed out above, Hamas observed a ceasfire for six months and the
> > blockade continually got worse. This is a well documented fact, anyone who
> > has read a newspaper the last six months knows it, and you are full of
> > shit.
>
> Bullshit piled higher and deeper.
>
> >> occupation of Palestinian land would end, and the cycle
> >> of violence and death would end. Both Israel and Palestine would prosper.
> >>
> >> Israel cannot stop the violence by any means short of surrender and
> >> accepting genocide of its citizens. Well, except for killing all the
> >> Palestinians and I doubt Risky and his friends would like that solution.
> >>
> >> When ideologues like Risky call Israel "nazi" it just shows how far out
> >> of touch with reality they are.
> >
> > Why are you and the other lovers of Israeli nazism having hemmorhoids over
> > what I'm saying, then? Just let everyone ignore someone who is so
> > obviously out of touch with reality. It's only the truth that hurts.
>
> I don't think your delusions do any harm, you're pretty insignificant.
> Those same delusions in the minds of some other people can do harm, but
> I can't do anything about that. I don't respond to these diatribes
> expecting to enlighten you, or change any country's policy. I only do
> it for my own amusement.
No shit? I've never seen you work so hard.
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Date: 12 Jan 2009 09:55:45
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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risky biz wrote:
> On Jan 11 2009 10:09 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>> I don't think your delusions do any harm, you're pretty insignificant.
>> Those same delusions in the minds of some other people can do harm, but
>> I can't do anything about that. I don't respond to these diatribes
>> expecting to enlighten you, or change any country's policy. I only do
>> it for my own amusement.
>
> No shit? I've never seen you work so hard.
What makes you think responding to your tripe is hard? Is typing hard
for you?
However, there were competing pro-Hamas and pro-Israel demonstrations in
Denver on Sunday. Had I known about them, I would have gone and joined
the pro-Israel one. Not that it would make any real difference, but I
would have felt good about it (like when I marched in the
legalize-marijauna parade) and anything that brings good karma is nice
to do.
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Date: 12 Jan 2009 19:28:10
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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On Jan 12 2009 9:55 AM, Joe Long wrote:
> risky biz wrote:
> > On Jan 11 2009 10:09 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>
> >> I don't think your delusions do any harm, you're pretty insignificant.
> >> Those same delusions in the minds of some other people can do harm, but
> >> I can't do anything about that. I don't respond to these diatribes
> >> expecting to enlighten you, or change any country's policy. I only do
> >> it for my own amusement.
> >
> > No shit? I've never seen you work so hard.
>
> What makes you think responding to your tripe is hard? Is typing hard
> for you?
>
> However, there were competing pro-Hamas and pro-Israel demonstrations in
> Denver on Sunday. Had I known about them, I would have gone and joined
> the pro-Israel one. Not that it would make any real difference, but I
> would have felt good about it (like when I marched in the
> legalize-marijauna parade) and anything that brings good karma is nice
> to do.
Maybe you didn't get the memo, Joe- this thread has been terminated. You
never had anything real to offer so everyone lost interest.
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Date: 12 Jan 2009 23:03:58
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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risky biz wrote:
> On Jan 12 2009 9:55 AM, Joe Long wrote:
>
>> risky biz wrote:
>>> On Jan 11 2009 10:09 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>>>> I don't think your delusions do any harm, you're pretty insignificant.
>>>> Those same delusions in the minds of some other people can do harm, but
>>>> I can't do anything about that. I don't respond to these diatribes
>>>> expecting to enlighten you, or change any country's policy. I only do
>>>> it for my own amusement.
>>> No shit? I've never seen you work so hard.
>> What makes you think responding to your tripe is hard? Is typing hard
>> for you?
>>
>> However, there were competing pro-Hamas and pro-Israel demonstrations in
>> Denver on Sunday. Had I known about them, I would have gone and joined
>> the pro-Israel one. Not that it would make any real difference, but I
>> would have felt good about it (like when I marched in the
>> legalize-marijauna parade) and anything that brings good karma is nice
>> to do.
>
> Maybe you didn't get the memo, Joe- this thread has been terminated. You
> never had anything real to offer so everyone lost interest.
Then why are you still responding to me?
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Date: 13 Jan 2009 00:37:27
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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On Jan 12 2009 11:03 PM, Joe Long wrote:
> risky biz wrote:
> > On Jan 12 2009 9:55 AM, Joe Long wrote:
> >
> >> risky biz wrote:
> >>> On Jan 11 2009 10:09 PM, Joe Long wrote:
> >>>> I don't think your delusions do any harm, you're pretty insignificant.
> >>>> Those same delusions in the minds of some other people can do harm, but
> >>>> I can't do anything about that. I don't respond to these diatribes
> >>>> expecting to enlighten you, or change any country's policy. I only do
> >>>> it for my own amusement.
> >>> No shit? I've never seen you work so hard.
> >> What makes you think responding to your tripe is hard? Is typing hard
> >> for you?
> >>
> >> However, there were competing pro-Hamas and pro-Israel demonstrations in
> >> Denver on Sunday. Had I known about them, I would have gone and joined
> >> the pro-Israel one. Not that it would make any real difference, but I
> >> would have felt good about it (like when I marched in the
> >> legalize-marijauna parade) and anything that brings good karma is nice
> >> to do.
> >
> > Maybe you didn't get the memo, Joe- this thread has been terminated. You
> > never had anything real to offer so everyone lost interest.
>
> Then why are you still responding to me?
You don't really want to encourage the few remaining to consider that.
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Date: 13 Jan 2009 18:10:28
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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risky biz wrote:
> On Jan 12 2009 11:03 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>
>> risky biz wrote:
>>> On Jan 12 2009 9:55 AM, Joe Long wrote:
>>>
>>>> risky biz wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 11 2009 10:09 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>>>>>> I don't think your delusions do any harm, you're pretty insignificant.
>>>>>> Those same delusions in the minds of some other people can do harm, but
>>>>>> I can't do anything about that. I don't respond to these diatribes
>>>>>> expecting to enlighten you, or change any country's policy. I only do
>>>>>> it for my own amusement.
>>>>> No shit? I've never seen you work so hard.
>>>> What makes you think responding to your tripe is hard? Is typing hard
>>>> for you?
>>>>
>>>> However, there were competing pro-Hamas and pro-Israel demonstrations in
>>>> Denver on Sunday. Had I known about them, I would have gone and joined
>>>> the pro-Israel one. Not that it would make any real difference, but I
>>>> would have felt good about it (like when I marched in the
>>>> legalize-marijauna parade) and anything that brings good karma is nice
>>>> to do.
>>> Maybe you didn't get the memo, Joe- this thread has been terminated. You
>>> never had anything real to offer so everyone lost interest.
>> Then why are you still responding to me?
> You don't really want to encourage the few remaining to consider that.
I asked you, specifically.
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Date: 13 Jan 2009 18:54:59
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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On Jan 13 2009 6:10 PM, Joe Long wrote:
> risky biz wrote:
> > On Jan 12 2009 11:03 PM, Joe Long wrote:
> >
> >> risky biz wrote:
> >>> Maybe you didn't get the memo, Joe- this thread has been terminated. You
> >>> never had anything real to offer so everyone lost interest.
>
> >> Then why are you still responding to me?
>
> > You don't really want to encourage the few remaining to consider that.
>
> I asked you, specifically.
It should be obvious that I'm not responding to you any longer, I'm just
telling it's pretty f'd up to keep posting in a thread where you lost your
argument, such as it was, a long time ago and which no one else is reading
anymore. Think of it as a public service announcement for the last person
to get the message.
Anyway, I'll leave you alone now so you can "win".
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Date: 14 Jan 2009 10:50:02
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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risky biz wrote:
> On Jan 13 2009 6:10 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>
>> risky biz wrote:
>>> On Jan 12 2009 11:03 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>>>
>>>> risky biz wrote:
>>>>> Maybe you didn't get the memo, Joe- this thread has been terminated. You
>>>>> never had anything real to offer so everyone lost interest.
>>>> Then why are you still responding to me?
>>> You don't really want to encourage the few remaining to consider that.
>> I asked you, specifically.
> It should be obvious that I'm not responding to you any longer, I'm just
> telling it's pretty f'd up to keep posting in a thread where you lost your
> argument, such as it was, a long time ago and which no one else is reading
> anymore. Think of it as a public service announcement for the last person
> to get the message.
I'll let you in on what I just told Beldin: if you really win an
argument, you don't need to declare yourself the winner. Your facts and
logic are enough. Those who declare victory are usually insecure
losers, or losers with an overinflated ego -- but either way, losers.
> Anyway, I'll leave you alone now so you can "win".
"Winning" against you is no challenge, hence meaningless. But I'll
leave it up to readers to decide for themselves who was posting truth,
and who was parroting propaganda.
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Date: 14 Jan 2009 19:41:21
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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On Jan 14 2009 10:50 AM, Joe Long wrote:
> risky biz wrote:
> > On Jan 13 2009 6:10 PM, Joe Long wrote:
> >
> >> risky biz wrote:
> >>> On Jan 12 2009 11:03 PM, Joe Long wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> risky biz wrote:
> >>>>> Maybe you didn't get the memo, Joe- this thread has been terminated.
You
> >>>>> never had anything real to offer so everyone lost interest.
>
> >>>> Then why are you still responding to me?
>
> >>> You don't really want to encourage the few remaining to consider that.
>
> >> I asked you, specifically.
>
> > It should be obvious that I'm not responding to you any longer, I'm just
> > telling it's pretty f'd up to keep posting in a thread where you lost your
> > argument, such as it was, a long time ago and which no one else is reading
> > anymore. Think of it as a public service announcement for the last person
> > to get the message.
>
> I'll let you in on what I just told Beldin: if you really win an
> argument, you don't need to declare yourself the winner. Your facts and
> logic are enough. Those who declare victory are usually insecure
> losers, or losers with an overinflated ego -- but either way, losers.
Wow, this is weird but it sounds like you're declaring victory.
>
> > Anyway, I'll leave you alone now so you can "win".
>
> "Winning" against you is no challenge, hence meaningless. But I'll
> leave it up to readers to decide for themselves who was posting truth,
> and who was parroting propaganda.
Oh, yeah, that concept is really worrisome, but I think you still don't
get it- no one's reading this thread anymore. Please stop posting new
missives designed to assuage your bruised ego or I'll have to ask
ramashiva to just remove the thread. Jesus Christ- you're like a fungus.
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Date: 14 Jan 2009 20:43:58
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:41:21 -0800, "risky biz"
<risky-biz@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
>On Jan 14 2009 10:50 AM, Joe Long wrote:
>
>> risky biz wrote:
>> > On Jan 13 2009 6:10 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>> >
>> >> risky biz wrote:
>> >>> On Jan 12 2009 11:03 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> risky biz wrote:
>> >>>>> Maybe you didn't get the memo, Joe- this thread has been terminated.
>You
>> >>>>> never had anything real to offer so everyone lost interest.
>>
>> >>>> Then why are you still responding to me?
>>
>> >>> You don't really want to encourage the few remaining to consider that.
>>
>> >> I asked you, specifically.
>>
>> > It should be obvious that I'm not responding to you any longer, I'm just
>> > telling it's pretty f'd up to keep posting in a thread where you lost your
>> > argument, such as it was, a long time ago and which no one else is reading
>> > anymore. Think of it as a public service announcement for the last person
>> > to get the message.
>>
>> I'll let you in on what I just told Beldin: if you really win an
>> argument, you don't need to declare yourself the winner. Your facts and
>> logic are enough. Those who declare victory are usually insecure
>> losers, or losers with an overinflated ego -- but either way, losers.
>
>Wow, this is weird but it sounds like you're declaring victory.
Not any weirder than all the other things you imagine.
>>
>> > Anyway, I'll leave you alone now so you can "win".
>>
>> "Winning" against you is no challenge, hence meaningless. But I'll
>> leave it up to readers to decide for themselves who was posting truth,
>> and who was parroting propaganda.
>
>Oh, yeah, that concept is really worrisome, but I think you still don't
>get it- no one's reading this thread anymore.
No one except for those who are.
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Date: 15 Jan 2009 20:43:28
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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Pepe Papon wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:41:21 -0800, "risky biz"
>> Oh, yeah, that concept is really worrisome, but I think you still don't
>> get it- no one's reading this thread anymore.
>
> No one except for those who are.
I thought about replying to him again, just to see how long he'd keep it
up, but I'll let him go now.
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Date: 15 Jan 2009 23:30:47
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:43:28 -0700, Joe Long <nospam@spam.com > wrote:
>Pepe Papon wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:41:21 -0800, "risky biz"
>
>>> Oh, yeah, that concept is really worrisome, but I think you still don't
>>> get it- no one's reading this thread anymore.
>>
>> No one except for those who are.
>
>I thought about replying to him again, just to see how long he'd keep it
>up, but I'll let him go now.
Does that mean you're not reading the thread anymore? Good, because
neither am I. I stopped yesterday.
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Date: 18 Jan 2009 17:36:22
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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Pepe Papon wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:43:28 -0700, Joe Long <nospam@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> Pepe Papon wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:41:21 -0800, "risky biz"
>>>> Oh, yeah, that concept is really worrisome, but I think you still don't
>>>> get it- no one's reading this thread anymore.
>>> No one except for those who are.
>> I thought about replying to him again, just to see how long he'd keep it
>> up, but I'll let him go now.
>
> Does that mean you're not reading the thread anymore? Good, because
> neither am I. I stopped yesterday.
I stopped reading it last week. This is my 'bot replying.
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Date: 18 Jan 2009 17:05:38
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:36:22 -0700, Joe Long <nospam@spam.com > wrote:
>Pepe Papon wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:43:28 -0700, Joe Long <nospam@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Pepe Papon wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:41:21 -0800, "risky biz"
>>>>> Oh, yeah, that concept is really worrisome, but I think you still don't
>>>>> get it- no one's reading this thread anymore.
>
>>>> No one except for those who are.
>
>>> I thought about replying to him again, just to see how long he'd keep it
>>> up, but I'll let him go now.
>>
>> Does that mean you're not reading the thread anymore? Good, because
>> neither am I. I stopped yesterday.
>
>I stopped reading it last week. This is my 'bot replying.
Me and my bot stopped replying back in 1998.
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Date: 16 Jan 2009 00:02:32
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid > wrote in message
news:6sd0n4pmpof5s75vfaqe979q10jnhvdgkr@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:43:28 -0700, Joe Long <nospam@spam.com> wrote:
>
>>Pepe Papon wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:41:21 -0800, "risky biz"
>>
>>>> Oh, yeah, that concept is really worrisome, but I think you still don't
>>>> get it- no one's reading this thread anymore.
>>>
>>> No one except for those who are.
>>
>>I thought about replying to him again, just to see how long he'd keep it
>>up, but I'll let him go now.
>
> Does that mean you're not reading the thread anymore? Good, because
> neither am I. I stopped yesterday.
I wasn't reading it in the first place.
Jim
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Date: 13 Jan 2009 21:30:01
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:54:59 -0800, "risky biz"
<risky-biz@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
>On Jan 13 2009 6:10 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>
>> risky biz wrote:
>> > On Jan 12 2009 11:03 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>> >
>> >> risky biz wrote:
>> >>> Maybe you didn't get the memo, Joe- this thread has been terminated. You
>> >>> never had anything real to offer so everyone lost interest.
>>
>> >> Then why are you still responding to me?
>>
>> > You don't really want to encourage the few remaining to consider that.
>>
>> I asked you, specifically.
>
>It should be obvious that I'm not responding to you any longer, I'm just
>telling it's pretty f'd up to keep posting in a thread where you lost your
>argument, such as it was, a long time ago and which no one else is reading
>anymore. Think of it as a public service announcement for the last person
>to get the message.
>
>Anyway, I'll leave you alone now so you can "win".
>
That is quite magnanimous of you, risky.
I'm sure that Joe is quite relieved that he won't have to endure your
sharp wit any longer.
<snicker >
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Date: 13 Jan 2009 23:51:29
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:30:01 -0600, FL Turbo <noemail@notime.com >
wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:54:59 -0800, "risky biz"
><risky-biz@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 13 2009 6:10 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>>
>>> risky biz wrote:
>>> > On Jan 12 2009 11:03 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> risky biz wrote:
>>> >>> Maybe you didn't get the memo, Joe- this thread has been terminated. You
>>> >>> never had anything real to offer so everyone lost interest.
>>>
>>> >> Then why are you still responding to me?
>>>
>>> > You don't really want to encourage the few remaining to consider that.
>>>
>>> I asked you, specifically.
>>
>>It should be obvious that I'm not responding to you any longer, I'm just
>>telling it's pretty f'd up to keep posting in a thread where you lost your
>>argument, such as it was, a long time ago and which no one else is reading
>>anymore. Think of it as a public service announcement for the last person
>>to get the message.
>>
>>Anyway, I'll leave you alone now so you can "win".
>>
>
>That is quite magnanimous of you, risky.
>I'm sure that Joe is quite relieved that he won't have to endure your
>sharp wit any longer.
>
><snicker>
Hey, wait - you're not reading this thread. You can't respond!
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Date: 14 Jan 2009 10:51:18
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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Pepe Papon wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:30:01 -0600, FL Turbo <noemail@notime.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:54:59 -0800, "risky biz"
>> <risky-biz@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Maybe you didn't get the memo, Joe- this thread has been terminated. You
>>>>>>> never had anything real to offer so everyone lost interest.
>>>>>> Then why are you still responding to me?
>>>>> You don't really want to encourage the few remaining to consider that.
>>>> I asked you, specifically.
>>> It should be obvious that I'm not responding to you any longer, I'm just
>>> telling it's pretty f'd up to keep posting in a thread where you lost your
>>> argument, such as it was, a long time ago and which no one else is reading
>>> anymore. Think of it as a public service announcement for the last person
>>> to get the message.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'll leave you alone now so you can "win".
>>>
>> That is quite magnanimous of you, risky.
>> I'm sure that Joe is quite relieved that he won't have to endure your
>> sharp wit any longer.
>>
>> <snicker>
>
> Hey, wait - you're not reading this thread. You can't respond!
All right, you guys -- stop reading this abandoned thread!!!
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Somewhere on the Range
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 23:45:35
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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"Joe Long" <nospam@spam.com > wrote in message
news:Yoadna_7K4oJTffUnZ2dnUVZ_g0AAAAA@giganews.com...
> risky biz wrote:
>
> I don't think your delusions do any harm, you're pretty insignificant.
For a skinhead riskybitch is truly pathetic but it's not his fault because
he was raised that way. As a child he can only remember sitting on his
fathers lap while being regaled with stories of his grandfathers youth there
in Alabama. All the pretty pictures of burning crosses and men on horseback,
their white sheets blowing in the wind as they dragged some poor negro
through the field toward the hanging tree. The stories always ended with
proper 'sieg heil's' in the direction of the nazi flag that always hung
there in the living room. He would always end by expressing his regret that
they were never able to catch a Jew. Then risky would always promise to get
one for him someday - if only in his fervent mind.
> Those same delusions in the minds of some other people can do harm, but
The ones that have balls?
> I can't do anything about that. I don't respond to these diatribes
> expecting to enlighten you, or change any country's policy. I only do
> it for my own amusement.
ditto...
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 22:51:56
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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On Jan 11 2009 10:45 PM, Neverchop wrote:
> "Joe Long" <nospam@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:Yoadna_7K4oJTffUnZ2dnUVZ_g0AAAAA@giganews.com...
> > risky biz wrote:
> >
> > I don't think your delusions do any harm, you're pretty insignificant.
>
> For a skinhead riskybitch is truly pathetic but it's not his fault because
> he was raised that way. As a child he can only remember sitting on his
> fathers lap while being regaled with stories of his grandfathers youth there
> in Alabama. All the pretty pictures of burning crosses and men on horseback,
> their white sheets blowing in the wind as they dragged some poor negro
> through the field toward the hanging tree. The stories always ended with
> proper 'sieg heil's' in the direction of the nazi flag that always hung
> there in the living room. He would always end by expressing his regret that
> they were never able to catch a Jew. Then risky would always promise to get
> one for him someday - if only in his fervent mind.
>
>
> > Those same delusions in the minds of some other people can do harm, but
>
> The ones that have balls?
>
> > I can't do anything about that. I don't respond to these diatribes
> > expecting to enlighten you, or change any country's policy. I only do
> > it for my own amusement.
>
> ditto...
pokertoker/neverchop/Congressman Larry Craig wannabe- speaking for the
blowflies of the world.
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 19:17:45
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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"Joe Long" <nospam@spam.com > wrote in message
news:N-mdnfi1te9lG_fUnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@giganews.com...
> MZB wrote:
> > Just in case nobody was aware of your true colors.
> >
> > I never heard you complain about the years of unprovoked rocket attacks
by
> > Hamas and their ilk.
> >
> > No tears for those civilians, right?
> >
> > Let's put it this way: if Hamas stopped with the rockets, there would be
no
> > war. If Israel stopped fighting now, the rockets would continue.
>
> Risky and other Hamas apologists simply ignore the basic asymmetry of
> the conflict. Hamas and Hezbollah are dedicated to the destruction of
> Israel and driving the Jews into the sea. Israel is not dedicated to
> the destruction of the Palestinians or driving the Muslims into the sea,
> they are quite willing to accept a neighboring Palestinian State that is
> willing to live in peace with Israel.
>
> This means that Hamas, Hezbollah and Fatah can stop the violence any
> time they want, by negotiating a real peace treaty with Israel, and get
> about improving the life of the Palestinian people. The blockades of
> Gaza would end, occupation of Palestinian land would end, and the cycle
> of violence and death would end. Both Israel and Palestine would prosper.
>
> Israel cannot stop the violence by any means short of surrender and
> accepting genocide of its citizens. Well, except for killing all the
> Palestinians and I doubt Risky and his friends would like that solution.
>
> When ideologues like Risky call Israel "nazi" it just shows how far out
> of touch with reality they are.
Whether or not biz is an ideologue, you certainly seem to be.
Where is your acknowledgment that the whole of Israel was stolen from the
rightful owners, the Palestinians?
Under color of British arms.
Despite British promise in WW I that the Palestinians would get their own
state, free of Turkish (and British) rule?
If the Russians (or Cubans,lol) had captured Florida in the 50s you'd still
be howling to kill them all.
>
> --
> Joe Long aka ChipRider
> Somewhere on the Range
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 22:04:09
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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eleaticus wrote:
> "Joe Long" <nospam@spam.com> wrote in message
>> When ideologues like Risky call Israel "nazi" it just shows how far out
>> of touch with reality they are.
> Whether or not biz is an ideologue, you certainly seem to be.
> Where is your acknowledgment that the whole of Israel was stolen from the
> rightful owners, the Palestinians?
As the U.S. and Canada were stolen from the American Indians? As the
U.S. Southwest was stolen from Mexico by force of arms? As the area you
call Palestine was stolen from the Turks by force of arms?
> Under color of British arms.
And the United Nations. The area was partitioned, something that has
happened many times the world over. The British and the French took the
land from the Turks, then carved it up into various countries. There
was no "Palestinian State" prior to this.
> Despite British promise in WW I that the Palestinians would get their own
> state, free of Turkish (and British) rule?
The Palestinians can have their own state any time they are willing to
accept that Israel is legitimate as well. Neither the Turks nor the
British have ruled that area since 1948. You can argue that the
Israelis' claim in 1948 was not as strong as the Palestinians' claim,
and that's probably true. But that was 60 years ago. Israel today
legally and properly belongs to the Israelis.
> If the Russians (or Cubans,lol) had captured Florida in the 50s you'd still
> be howling to kill them all.
Possibly. There are Russians today who claim that the sale of Alaska is
invalid and want it back. There are people all over the globe who want
something back. But you don't see Mexico lobbing rockets into
California, or Russia lobbing rockets into Alaska.
The lives of the Palestinians will improve (and the violence will only
end) when they accept the reality instead of pursuing a hopeless dream
of driving the Jews into the sea.
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 11:16:58
From:
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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On 10 Jan, 12:57, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> "Israeli troops supported by tanks took Zeitoun quickly and at dawn on
> Sunday they went house to house detaining men of fighting age and
> corralling the remaining people, mostly women and children, in a few larg=
e
> houses.
>
> Up to 110 members of the extended Samouni clan were put into one building
> without water, heating or food.
>
> At dawn on Monday it was shelled repeatedly by Israeli forces. Survivors
> described seeing bodies with brains oozing out.
>
> Surviving members of the Samouni family described how the Israeli soldier=
s
> went from house to house detaining younger men and then crowding a large
> number, mostly women and children, into a single building.
>
> Meysa Samouni, 19, said up to 110 members of the Samouni family were
> forced inside without running water or food.
>
> She said: "When the missile stuck, I lay down with my daughter under me.
> Everything filled up with smoke and dust, and I heard screams and crying.=
"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/4209242/I...
>
> January 10, 2009 =EF=BF=BD
> Israel Rejected Hamas Cease-Fire Offer in December
> by Gareth Porterhttp://www.antiwar.com/porter/?articleid=3D14031
>
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Other officers said they found the death toll published by Hamas
grossly exaggerated, pointing out that a week ago only three IDF
soldiers were killed when a tank fired two rounds - which have a much
larger impact than mortar rounds - into a building which was occupied
by 50 IDF soldiers.
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 14:03:38
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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<buffalomacle@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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On 10 Jan, 12:57, "cocksuckingbitchrisky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net >
wrote: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
If true wouldn't they be forcing the civilians into gas chambers and then
burning their bodies in ovens? These Jews make pitiful nazi's. Either that
or you are just a punk bitch looking to get your ass kicked. You're in
Henderson right? And you play a lot of 2\4 LHE? Ya got a match bitch?
> Other officers said they found the death toll published by Hamas
> grossly exaggerated, pointing out that a week ago only three IDF
Not to mention the fact that they force their own civilians into homes that
they have rigged with explosives and the set it off murdering everyone
inside. Old men, women and children. Then they bring CNN over and scream
about how the Jews just bombed a house full of civilians. CNN then does its
duty and reports the tragedy to the foaming mouth neo-nazi's like riskyjizz.
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Date: 12 Jan 2009 12:38:18
From: Eddie Correct
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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> Then they bring CNN over and scream
> about how the Jews just bombed a house full of civilians. CNN then does
> its
> duty and reports the tragedy to the foaming mouth neo-nazi's like
> riskyjizz.
Apostrophe's and they're use's.
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Date: 11 Jan 2009 18:51:32
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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On Jan 11 2009 1:03 PM, Neverchop wrote:
> <buffalomacle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:27beb83a-1640-40e1-a80b-23f504ca4523@40g2000prx.googlegroups.com...
> On 10 Jan, 12:57, "cocksuckingbitchrisky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
>
>
> If true wouldn't they be forcing the civilians into gas chambers and then
> burning their bodies in ovens? These Jews make pitiful nazi's. Either that
> or you are just a punk bitch looking to get your ass kicked. You're in
> Henderson right? And you play a lot of 24 LHE? Ya got a match bitch?
>
>
> > Other officers said they found the death toll published by Hamas
> > grossly exaggerated, pointing out that a week ago only three IDF
>
>
> Not to mention the fact that they force their own civilians into homes that
> they have rigged with explosives and the set it off murdering everyone
> inside. Old men, women and children. Then they bring CNN over and scream
> about how the Jews just bombed a house full of civilians. CNN then does its
> duty and reports the tragedy to the foaming mouth neo-nazi's like riskyjizz.
Eat shit and die, anti-American slut.
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Date: 10 Jan 2009 23:02:53
From: eleaticus
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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It is certainly the result of British 'naziism'.
The Balfoour Declaration could have only one purpose (beyond contemptuous
betrayal of the WW I promises to the palestinians): a place to dump your
unwanted jews.
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Date: 10 Jan 2009 11:49:15
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Israel is Jewish nazism
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On Jan 10 2009 11:57 AM, risky biz wrote:
> "Israeli troops supported by tanks took Zeitoun quickly and at dawn on
> Sunday they went house to house detaining men of fighting age and
> corralling the remaining people, mostly women and children, in a few large
> houses.
>
> Up to 110 members of the extended Samouni clan were put into one building
> without water, heating or food.
>
> At dawn on Monday it was shelled repeatedly by Israeli forces. Survivors
> described seeing bodies with brains oozing out.
>
> Surviving members of the Samouni family described how the Israeli soldiers
> went from house to house detaining younger men and then crowding a large
> number, mostly women and children, into a single building.
>
> Meysa Samouni, 19, said up to 110 members of the Samouni family were
> forced inside without running water or food.
>
> She said: "When the missile stuck, I lay down with my daughter under me.
> Everything filled up with smoke and dust, and I heard screams and crying."
>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/4209242/Israeli-strike-on-civilian-house-may-be-war-crime-says-UN-gaza.html
Didn't you get the memo, risky? It's all the Palestinians' fault.
Apparently they're supposed to submit to their 50-year occupation with a
little more gratitude.
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