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Date: 29 Jan 2009 09:00:17
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Is There More Government Corruption Than Ever?
I'm trying to gauge whether or not there is actually more, less, or
about the same amount of government corruption. What does everyone
think about it? I would say there is DEFINITIELY more government
corruption today than ever. The $11 Trillion National Debt along with
the State debt is really all the evidence that I need. Works for me
anyway.
What do you guys think?




 
Date: 30 Jan 2009 08:44:23
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Is There More Government Corruption Than Ever?
On Jan 30, 8:44=A0am, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com > wrote:
>
> People seem to think that if "the government" takes over the health care
> industry ... it will then become more efficient and effective. =A0There i=
s not
> one historical reference to any service that has been taken over by the
> government that is more effective and more efficient than it was before.

The Democrats play the health care game to get votes.

> You specifically mention "the Pentagon" ... as if that was a government
> agency. =A0I know what you mean and I know what Rumsfeld meant too ... th=
e
> "national defense establishment" is a gigantic cess pool of inefficient
> wasted money, but most people feel that only the "government" can be in
> charge of the national defense.

Congress is in charge of the funding and obviously they are not being
fiscally responsible. In fact, the Congress doesn't seem to have a
problem with sending almost $400 billion a year to Japan, China, and
others for the interest on the National Debt. The same could be said
for those at the DoD who are requesting the funding. Rumsfeld shed
light on the problem and issued his concerns. Has anything changed?
Will anything change under Obama? It's not likely.



 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 16:14:34
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Is There More Government Corruption Than Ever?
On Jan 29, 3:49=A0pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 29 2009 2:51 PM, Senator Millionaire wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 1:28=A0pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > Did you know that one day before 9/11, Donald Rumsfeld gave a speech =
in
> > > which he admitted $2.3 TRILLION had gone missing from the Pentagon? P=
oof!
> > > Just gone. True story.
>
> > Yeah.. I was aware of that and thanks for bringing it up. I also just
> > found and read Rumsfelds speech. Here's an excerpt:
>
> > The technology revolution has transformed organizations across the
> > private sector, but not ours, not fully, not yet. We are, as they say,
> > tangled in our anchor chain. Our financial systems are decades old.
> > According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in
> > transactions.
>
> >http://www.defenselink.mil/speeches/speech.aspx?speechid=3D430
>
> > Just because the DoD can't track all of that money doesn't necessarily
> > mean it was stolen. With a budget that size it must be difficult to
> > keep track of everything. Many corporations often have to restate
> > their earnings. I haven't researched it yet. Did they ever find where
> > the $2.3 Trillion went?
>
> Nope.
>
> That's an awful lot of money to "misplace"...

You're right. There's a lot of information on YouTube about the $2.3
trillion that was misplaced. It won't be long before we see more
videos on the bail outs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D_rRqeJcuK-A&feature=3Drelated

Rumsfeld seemed pretty sincere in trying to fix those accounting
problems. Obviously, 9-11 changed all that.


 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 11:51:56
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Is There More Government Corruption Than Ever?
On Jan 29, 1:28=A0pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
>
> Did you know that one day before 9/11, Donald Rumsfeld gave a speech in
> which he admitted $2.3 TRILLION had gone missing from the Pentagon? Poof!
> Just gone. True story.

Yeah.. I was aware of that and thanks for bringing it up. I also just
found and read Rumsfelds speech. Here's an excerpt:

The technology revolution has transformed organizations across the
private sector, but not ours, not fully, not yet. We are, as they say,
tangled in our anchor chain. Our financial systems are decades old.
According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in
transactions.

http://www.defenselink.mil/speeches/speech.aspx?speechid=3D430

Just because the DoD can't track all of that money doesn't necessarily
mean it was stolen. With a budget that size it must be difficult to
keep track of everything. Many corporations often have to restate
their earnings. I haven't researched it yet. Did they ever find where
the $2.3 Trillion went?








  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 12:49:43
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Is There More Government Corruption Than Ever?
On Jan 29 2009 2:51 PM, Senator Millionaire wrote:

> On Jan 29, 1:28 pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > Did you know that one day before 9/11, Donald Rumsfeld gave a speech in
> > which he admitted $2.3 TRILLION had gone missing from the Pentagon? Poof!
> > Just gone. True story.
>
> Yeah.. I was aware of that and thanks for bringing it up. I also just
> found and read Rumsfelds speech. Here's an excerpt:
>
> The technology revolution has transformed organizations across the
> private sector, but not ours, not fully, not yet. We are, as they say,
> tangled in our anchor chain. Our financial systems are decades old.
> According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in
> transactions.
>
> http://www.defenselink.mil/speeches/speech.aspx?speechid=430
>
> Just because the DoD can't track all of that money doesn't necessarily
> mean it was stolen. With a budget that size it must be difficult to
> keep track of everything. Many corporations often have to restate
> their earnings. I haven't researched it yet. Did they ever find where
> the $2.3 Trillion went?

Nope.

That's an awful lot of money to "misplace"...

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Date: 29 Jan 2009 10:28:20
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Is There More Government Corruption Than Ever?
On Jan 29 2009 12:00 PM, Senator Millionaire wrote:

> I'm trying to gauge whether or not there is actually more, less, or
> about the same amount of government corruption. What does everyone
> think about it? I would say there is DEFINITIELY more government
> corruption today than ever. The $11 Trillion National Debt along with
> the State debt is really all the evidence that I need. Works for me
> anyway.
> What do you guys think?

Yes. Privatization has made this kind of corruption rampant, as
politically connected government employees hand out no-bid contracts to
their buddies and political allies. Unfortunately we live in a corporate
nanny state, and it's getting worse every year.

Did you know that one day before 9/11, Donald Rumsfeld gave a speech in
which he admitted $2.3 TRILLION had gone missing from the Pentagon? Poof!
Just gone. True story.

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Date: 29 Jan 2009 15:46:11
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Is There More Government Corruption Than Ever?
"ChrisRobin"

> Yes. Privatization has made this kind of corruption rampant, as
> politically connected government employees hand out no-bid contracts to
> their buddies and political allies. Unfortunately we live in a corporate
> nanny state, and it's getting worse every year.

Yeah, if the government had all the money, they would not ever lose track of
any of it.

> Did you know that one day before 9/11, Donald Rumsfeld gave a speech in
> which he admitted $2.3 TRILLION had gone missing from the Pentagon? Poof!
> Just gone. True story.

Oops, sorry. Damned if you do ... damned if you don't.




   
Date: 29 Jan 2009 14:56:13
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Is There More Government Corruption Than Ever?
On Jan 29 2009 4:46 PM, da pickle wrote:

> "ChrisRobin"
>
> > Yes. Privatization has made this kind of corruption rampant, as
> > politically connected government employees hand out no-bid contracts to
> > their buddies and political allies. Unfortunately we live in a corporate
> > nanny state, and it's getting worse every year.
>
> Yeah, if the government had all the money, they would not ever lose track of
> any of it.
>
> > Did you know that one day before 9/11, Donald Rumsfeld gave a speech in
> > which he admitted $2.3 TRILLION had gone missing from the Pentagon? Poof!
> > Just gone. True story.
>
> Oops, sorry. Damned if you do ... damned if you don't.

As usual, I have absolutely no idea what kind of point you're trying to
make here.

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Date: 30 Jan 2009 07:44:57
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Is There More Government Corruption Than Ever?
"ChrisRobin"

>> > Yes. Privatization has made this kind of corruption rampant, as
>> > politically connected government employees hand out no-bid contracts to
>> > their buddies and political allies. Unfortunately we live in a
>> > corporate
>> > nanny state, and it's getting worse every year.
>>
>> Yeah, if the government had all the money, they would not ever lose track
>> of
>> any of it.
>>
>> > Did you know that one day before 9/11, Donald Rumsfeld gave a speech in
>> > which he admitted $2.3 TRILLION had gone missing from the Pentagon?
>> > Poof!
>> > Just gone. True story.
>>
>> Oops, sorry. Damned if you do ... damned if you don't.
>
> As usual, I have absolutely no idea what kind of point you're trying to
> make here.

It seems, and maybe you can correct me if I am misunderstanding, that you
think "privatization" means that the government does NOT hire civil service
workers to do some job ... think "running a bank" ... or "driving a truck"
in a foreign country ... but rather, the government decides that private
companies might be more efficient and effective than "government workers"
doing the job. You seem to think that if this half-step of getting the
government "out" of complete control of some "service" (this service is now
"privatized") means that the government "managers" will just sole source the
"service" to their friends and it is just another bucket of fat.

Is that what you mean when you say "Privatization has made this kind of
corruption rampant ... ?"

I am making the comment that the "government" is ALWAYS inefficient, corrupt
and ineffective. There is no competition. There is no pressure to be
efficient or effective. There is ONLY political influence, deals, and
pressure. BUT, there are some things that just MUST be done by a monopoly
with power ... that is the government ... a monopoly with power.

People seem to think that if "the government" takes over the health care
industry ... it will then become more efficient and effective. There is not
one historical reference to any service that has been taken over by the
government that is more effective and more efficient than it was before.

You specifically mention "the Pentagon" ... as if that was a government
agency. I know what you mean and I know what Rumsfeld meant too ... the
"national defense establishment" is a gigantic cess pool of inefficient
wasted money, but most people feel that only the "government" can be in
charge of the national defense.

If you think that some other method of providing for the national defense
could be found rather than having the federal government in charge, I would
like to hear it. I do not know of any way to get rid of that service and
still keep the country safe and free.

I may just misunderstand your views ... perhaps, you just believe there
should be no government at all. Perhaps, you believe we should all become
anarchists. Just not have any government at all ... one for one and one for
one.

Perhaps, you need to explain why you think it is surprising that someone in
government admitted that government accounting is a disaster.





 
Date: 29 Jan 2009 13:02:09
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Is There More Government Corruption Than Ever?

"Senator Millionaire" <moone99@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:2067a276-fde7-45c7-b8e2-0be6f53d38e5@v42g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
> I'm trying to gauge whether or not there is actually more, less, or
> about the same amount of government corruption. What does everyone
> think about it? I would say there is DEFINITIELY more government
> corruption today than ever. The $11 Trillion National Debt along with
> the State debt is really all the evidence that I need. Works for me
> anyway.
> What do you guys think?

I think the massive spending bill just passed by The Messiah and left wing
Democrats has more fat than Oprah's ass.

Irish Mike




  
Date: 29 Jan 2009 10:26:07
From: Jason Pawloski
Subject: Re: Is There More Government Corruption Than Ever?
On Jan 29 2009 11:02 AM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "Senator Millionaire" <moone99@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2067a276-fde7-45c7-b8e2-0be6f53d38e5@v42g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
> > I'm trying to gauge whether or not there is actually more, less, or
> > about the same amount of government corruption. What does everyone
> > think about it? I would say there is DEFINITIELY more government
> > corruption today than ever. The $11 Trillion National Debt along with
> > the State debt is really all the evidence that I need. Works for me
> > anyway.
> > What do you guys think?
>
> I think the massive spending bill just passed by The Messiah and left wing
> Democrats has more fat than Oprah's ass.
>
> Irish Mike

That's a tough one Mike. The amount of fat in Oprah's ass and the amount
of fat in the bill are both so large that it's difficult to do a simple
comparison. It's like, which number is larger, 2^50 or 50^10*? Who cares,
both numbers are huge.

* Actually by looking at it that's a pretty easy one.

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