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Date: 03 Feb 2009 09:48:18
From: MMelia
Subject: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPSC15Yx6Q4Prc5MIqs27QdfjEYg

Anyone paying attention to this? This is bad news for everyone - on all
sides.

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Date: 03 Feb 2009 19:01:31
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 3 2009 10:48 AM, MMelia wrote:

>
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPSC15Yx6Q4Prc5MIqs27QdfjEYg
>
> Anyone paying attention to this? This is bad news for everyone - on all
> sides.

WTF? I thought they were an existential threat to the "civilized West"
because they were living in the dark ages. Now they're an existential
threat to the "civilized West" because they're too technologically
sophisticated? Someone needs to rework their propaganda. Come in, Tel Aviv
. . over.

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 14:32:54
From: smoothcortex
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made

Giving them 21st Century weapons is like handing a loaded gun to a
5-year old.

.........and George W had his thumb over the red button for
eight years ??


   
Date: 05 Feb 2009 21:45:57
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:32:54 -0800 (PST), smoothcortex
<drsebesfi@huntsave.com.au > wrote:

>
>Giving them 21st Century weapons is like handing a loaded gun to a
>5-year old.
>
>.........and George W had his thumb over the red button for
>eight years ??

And he never pushed it, did he?

Case closed.


  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 21:01:17
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:01:31 -0800, "risky biz"
<risky-biz@sbcglobal.net > wrote:

>On Feb 3 2009 10:48 AM, MMelia wrote:
>
>>
>http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPSC15Yx6Q4Prc5MIqs27QdfjEYg
>>
>> Anyone paying attention to this? This is bad news for everyone - on all
>> sides.
>
>WTF? I thought they were an existential threat to the "civilized West"
>because they were living in the dark ages. Now they're an existential
>threat to the "civilized West" because they're too technologically
>sophisticated? Someone needs to rework their propaganda. Come in, Tel Aviv
> . . over.
>

The Mullahs in Iran are still mentally in the 7th Century.

Giving them 21st Century weapons is like handing a loaded gun to a
5-year old.


  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 19:57:29
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made
risky biz wrote:

> WTF? I thought they were an existential threat to the "civilized West"
> because they were living in the dark ages. Now they're an existential
> threat to the "civilized West" because they're too technologically
> sophisticated? Someone needs to rework their propaganda. Come in, Tel Aviv
> . . over.

You don't believe it's possible for a country to be culturally backward
and technologically advanced?


--
Joe Long aka ChipRider
Somewhere on the Range


   
Date: 04 Feb 2009 21:44:32
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-madetechnology.
On Feb 4 2009 7:57 PM, Joe Long wrote:

> risky biz wrote:
>
> > WTF? I thought they were an existential threat to the "civilized West"
> > because they were living in the dark ages. Now they're an existential
> > threat to the "civilized West" because they're too technologically
> > sophisticated? Someone needs to rework their propaganda. Come in, Tel Aviv
> > . . over.
>
> You don't believe it's possible for a country to be culturally backward
> and technologically advanced?

American evidence to the contrary?

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 01:10:00
From: MZB
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
Gotta love it. Queue Risky and Chris to defend the Arabs again.

Israel needs to level them!

Mel
"risky biz" <risky-biz@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:b1dn56xr9t.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 3 2009 10:48 AM, MMelia wrote:
>
>>
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPSC15Yx6Q4Prc5MIqs27QdfjEYg
>>
>> Anyone paying attention to this? This is bad news for everyone - on all
>> sides.
>
> WTF? I thought they were an existential threat to the "civilized West"
> because they were living in the dark ages. Now they're an existential
> threat to the "civilized West" because they're too technologically
> sophisticated? Someone needs to rework their propaganda. Come in, Tel Aviv
> . . over.
>
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Date: 04 Feb 2009 09:58:16
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 4 2009 1:10 AM, MZB wrote:

> Gotta love it. Queue Risky and Chris to defend the Arabs again.
>
> Israel needs to level them!

Simple solutions for simple minds.

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 00:03:55
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 3 2009 11:10 PM, MZB wrote:

> Gotta love it. Queue Risky and Chris to defend the Arabs again.
>
> Israel needs to level them!
>
> Mel

There you go. "American liberalism". Also known as modern era nazism. The
peaceloving ones.

Look at the Republican and Democratic parties and you'll see a complete
explanation of the potential for an eventual relative collapse of the
American nation. They're cancer.

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 07:03:01
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 4 2009 3:03 AM, risky biz wrote:

> On Feb 3 2009 11:10 PM, MZB wrote:
>
> > Gotta love it. Queue Risky and Chris to defend the Arabs again.
> >
> > Israel needs to level them!
> >
> > Mel
>
> There you go. "American liberalism". Also known as modern era nazism. The
> peaceloving ones.
>
> Look at the Republican and Democratic parties and you'll see a complete
> explanation of the potential for an eventual relative collapse of the
> American nation. They're cancer.

I would love to give a lengthy reply to your posts but unfortunately I can
not read "Moron", only English.

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 21:42:59
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 4 2009 8:03 AM, MMelia wrote:

> On Feb 4 2009 3:03 AM, risky biz wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3 2009 11:10 PM, MZB wrote:
> >
> > > Gotta love it. Queue Risky and Chris to defend the Arabs again.
> > >
> > > Israel needs to level them!
> > >
> > > Mel
> >
> > There you go. "American liberalism". Also known as modern era nazism. The
> > peaceloving ones.
> >
> > Look at the Republican and Democratic parties and you'll see a complete
> > explanation of the potential for an eventual relative collapse of the
> > American nation. They're cancer.
>
> I would love to give a lengthy reply to your posts but unfortunately I can
> not read "Moron", only English.

That's pretty witty. It proves you have a higher IQ than a petunia.

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 03:19:36
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 5 2009 12:42 AM, risky biz wrote:

> On Feb 4 2009 8:03 AM, MMelia wrote:
>
> > On Feb 4 2009 3:03 AM, risky biz wrote:
> >
> > > On Feb 3 2009 11:10 PM, MZB wrote:
> > >
> > > > Gotta love it. Queue Risky and Chris to defend the Arabs again.
> > > >
> > > > Israel needs to level them!
> > > >
> > > > Mel
> > >
> > > There you go. "American liberalism". Also known as modern era nazism. The
> > > peaceloving ones.
> > >
> > > Look at the Republican and Democratic parties and you'll see a complete
> > > explanation of the potential for an eventual relative collapse of the
> > > American nation. They're cancer.
> >
> > I would love to give a lengthy reply to your posts but unfortunately I can
> > not read "Moron", only English.
>
> That's pretty witty. It proves you have a higher IQ than a petunia.

Yeah, only by like a point or two.

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 09:57:35
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 4 2009 10:03 AM, MMelia wrote:

> On Feb 4 2009 3:03 AM, risky biz wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3 2009 11:10 PM, MZB wrote:
> >
> > > Gotta love it. Queue Risky and Chris to defend the Arabs again.
> > >
> > > Israel needs to level them!
> > >
> > > Mel
> >
> > There you go. "American liberalism". Also known as modern era nazism. The
> > peaceloving ones.
> >
> > Look at the Republican and Democratic parties and you'll see a complete
> > explanation of the potential for an eventual relative collapse of the
> > American nation. They're cancer.
>
> I would love to give a lengthy reply to your posts but unfortunately I can
> not read "Moron", only English.

Nice rebuttal.

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Date: 03 Feb 2009 14:28:59
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 3 2009 12:48 PM, MMelia wrote:

>
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPSC15Yx6Q4Prc5MIqs27QdfjEYg
>
> Anyone paying attention to this? This is bad news for everyone - on all
sides.

Why? Is Iran going to launch their invisible nukes at us? Quick, somebody
call Donald Rumsfeld!

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Date: 10 Feb 2009 07:08:55
From: funky cold medina
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made
On Feb 4, 3:27=A0pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Feb 4 2009 1:20 PM, JerseyRudy wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 4 2009 12:54 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 3 2009 11:07 PM, MMelia wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 3 2009 6:52 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 3 2009 6:25 PM, MMelia wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Feb 3 2009 5:28 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Feb 3 2009 12:48 PM, MMelia wrote:
>
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPSC15Yx6Q4Prc5MIq...
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > > > Anyone paying attention to this? =A0This is bad news for ev=
eryone -
> > on
> > > > all
> > > > > > > sides.
>
> > > > > > > Why? Is Iran going to launch their invisible nukes at us? Qui=
ck,
> > > somebody
> > > > > > > call Donald Rumsfeld!
>
> > > > > > Look at the world view of Iran and Nukes and now add a ballisti=
c
> > > > > > capability to it. =A0Do you really think they are going to need=
to fire
> > > > > > anything at all before this escalates into a conflict? =A0Irish=
Mike
> > seems
> > > > > > to understand the implications of the situation at least. =A0Th=
ough I
> > don't
> > > > > > agree with his views of Obama... or Bush. =A0
>
> > > > > If it escalates into conflict it'll be because our leaders are a =
bunch
> of
> > > > > hypocrites who are looking to pick a fight. Iran doesn't have the
> > capacity
> > > > > to make weapons grade uranium. What are they going to arm their
> missiles
> > > > > with, falafel?
>
> > > > > > I know you really didn't want a response and are just looking f=
or
> > > > > > something or someone to rant at... so here ya go. =A0-enjoy
>
> > > > > Actually, I merely pointed out that your premise is stupid. Iran'=
s no
> > > > > bigger danger today than they were yesterday. No rant necessary.
>
> > > > They have the centrifuges, they have the material. =A0It would take=
them 1
> > > > year to produce enough. =A0They now have a rocket that is easily co=
nverted
> > > > to a ballistic missile - and you contend they are no bigger of a th=
reat.
> > > > Something is stupid here alright.
>
> > > You obviously do not understand how difficult it is to produce weapon=
s
> > > grade uranium. And your "one year" claim is utter bullshit.
>
> > > > Prior to the satellite launch their technology for missiles could n=
ot
> > > > reach very far. =A0With this new technology they are moving from a =
theater
> > > > threat to a global one. =A0Yes, they don't have a bomb yet. =A0Do y=
ou suggest
> > > > the world waits until they do?
>
> > > I suggest that we deal with reality, not fantasy. Iran is years away =
from
> > > possessing a nuclear arsenal, and even if they were able to obtain a =
nuke
> > > or 10, who cares? All a few nukes do is ensure that they aren't a vic=
tim
> > > of a pre-emptive strike from the U.S. or Israel. Seems to me that's a
> > > pretty sensible step to take when you're being threatened by two coun=
tries
> > > that have proven they have no qualms about invading and occupying a
> > > country on false pretenses.
>
> > So if Iran posessed 10 nuclear weapons, you would view it as an
> > encouraging development for world stability? Your view would be that th=
is
> > would serve to eliminate the Israeli threat to Iran, and allow Iran to
> > live in peace?
>
> I do not view nuclear proliferation as "encouraging" in any sense, but
> from Iran's perspective, it's obvious that acquiring nukes is a perfectly
> sane and logical step to protect themselves from U.S./Israeli aggression.
> Geopolitically, nukes are defensive weapons; they're used entirely for th=
e
> purpose of deterrence. Surely you realize Iran isn't stupid enough to use
> them on us, or on Israel, in a first-strike attack.
>
> > I am certain that the Ayatollah in Iran would have a big smile if he kn=
ew
> > that people like you existed in America.
>
> This isn't about ideology. It's about critical thinking and common sense,
> both of which seem to have abandoned you.
>
> BTW, you sound more and more like Irish Mike every day.


Chris, the flaw here is the assumption of sane and logical.

Who would've believed hundreds of men volunteering to be suicide
bombers to take out civilians for the glory of Allah.

Who would've believed women, who in theory have a genetic imperative
to nurture life, volunteering themselves to be suicide bombers -- > and
then executing.

Sane and logical have nothing to do with it.


  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 20:00:37
From: bo dark
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made
On Feb 3, 5:52 pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Feb 3 2009 6:25 PM, MMelia wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3 2009 5:28 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 3 2009 12:48 PM, MMelia wrote:
>
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPSC15Yx6Q4Prc5MIq...
>
>
>
> > > > Anyone paying attention to this? This is bad news for everyone - on all
> > > sides.
>
> > > Why? Is Iran going to launch their invisible nukes at us? Quick, somebody
> > > call Donald Rumsfeld!
>
> > Look at the world view of Iran and Nukes and now add a ballistic
> > capability to it. Do you really think they are going to need to fire
> > anything at all before this escalates into a conflict? Irish Mike seems
> > to understand the implications of the situation at least. Though I don't
> > agree with his views of Obama... or Bush.
>
> If it escalates into conflict it'll be because our leaders are a bunch of
> hypocrites who are looking to pick a fight. Iran doesn't have the capacity
> to make weapons grade uranium. What are they going to arm their missiles
> with, falafel?
>
> > I know you really didn't want a response and are just looking for
> > something or someone to rant at... so here ya go. -enjoy
>
> Actually, I merely pointed out that your premise is stupid. Iran's no
> bigger danger today than they were yesterday. No rant necessary.
>
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they make stuff though,i never knew they had an auto industry.the
satellite tech is probably russian.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Iran



  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 15:25:03
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 3 2009 5:28 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:

> On Feb 3 2009 12:48 PM, MMelia wrote:
>
> >
>
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPSC15Yx6Q4Prc5MIqs27QdfjEYg
> >
> > Anyone paying attention to this? This is bad news for everyone - on all
> sides.
>
> Why? Is Iran going to launch their invisible nukes at us? Quick, somebody
> call Donald Rumsfeld!

Look at the world view of Iran and Nukes and now add a ballistic
capability to it. Do you really think they are going to need to fire
anything at all before this escalates into a conflict? Irish Mike seems
to understand the implications of the situation at least. Though I don't
agree with his views of Obama... or Bush.

I know you really didn't want a response and are just looking for
something or someone to rant at... so here ya go. -enjoy

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Date: 03 Feb 2009 15:52:01
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 3 2009 6:25 PM, MMelia wrote:

> On Feb 3 2009 5:28 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3 2009 12:48 PM, MMelia wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPSC15Yx6Q4Prc5MIqs27QdfjEYg
> > >
> > > Anyone paying attention to this? This is bad news for everyone - on all
> > sides.
> >
> > Why? Is Iran going to launch their invisible nukes at us? Quick, somebody
> > call Donald Rumsfeld!
>
> Look at the world view of Iran and Nukes and now add a ballistic
> capability to it. Do you really think they are going to need to fire
> anything at all before this escalates into a conflict? Irish Mike seems
> to understand the implications of the situation at least. Though I don't
> agree with his views of Obama... or Bush.

If it escalates into conflict it'll be because our leaders are a bunch of
hypocrites who are looking to pick a fight. Iran doesn't have the capacity
to make weapons grade uranium. What are they going to arm their missiles
with, falafel?

> I know you really didn't want a response and are just looking for
> something or someone to rant at... so here ya go. -enjoy

Actually, I merely pointed out that your premise is stupid. Iran's no
bigger danger today than they were yesterday. No rant necessary.

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Date: 03 Feb 2009 20:07:08
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 3 2009 6:52 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:

> On Feb 3 2009 6:25 PM, MMelia wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3 2009 5:28 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> >
> > > On Feb 3 2009 12:48 PM, MMelia wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPSC15Yx6Q4Prc5MIqs27QdfjEYg
> > > >
> > > > Anyone paying attention to this? This is bad news for everyone - on
all
> > > sides.
> > >
> > > Why? Is Iran going to launch their invisible nukes at us? Quick, somebody
> > > call Donald Rumsfeld!
> >
> > Look at the world view of Iran and Nukes and now add a ballistic
> > capability to it. Do you really think they are going to need to fire
> > anything at all before this escalates into a conflict? Irish Mike seems
> > to understand the implications of the situation at least. Though I don't
> > agree with his views of Obama... or Bush.
>
> If it escalates into conflict it'll be because our leaders are a bunch of
> hypocrites who are looking to pick a fight. Iran doesn't have the capacity
> to make weapons grade uranium. What are they going to arm their missiles
> with, falafel?
>
> > I know you really didn't want a response and are just looking for
> > something or someone to rant at... so here ya go. -enjoy
>
> Actually, I merely pointed out that your premise is stupid. Iran's no
> bigger danger today than they were yesterday. No rant necessary.

They have the centrifuges, they have the material. It would take them 1
year to produce enough. They now have a rocket that is easily converted
to a ballistic missile - and you contend they are no bigger of a threat.
Something is stupid here alright.

Prior to the satellite launch their technology for missiles could not
reach very far. With this new technology they are moving from a theater
threat to a global one. Yes, they don't have a bomb yet. Do you suggest
the world waits until they do?

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 00:06:41
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.

"MMelia" <a4f63df@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:csgn56xjhu.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 3 2009 6:52 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
>> On Feb 3 2009 6:25 PM, MMelia wrote:
>>
>> > On Feb 3 2009 5:28 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Feb 3 2009 12:48 PM, MMelia wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPSC15Yx6Q4Prc5MIqs27QdfjEYg
>> > > >
>> > > > Anyone paying attention to this? This is bad news for everyone -
>> > > > on
> all
>> > > sides.
>> > >
>> > > Why? Is Iran going to launch their invisible nukes at us? Quick,
>> > > somebody
>> > > call Donald Rumsfeld!
>> >
>> > Look at the world view of Iran and Nukes and now add a ballistic
>> > capability to it. Do you really think they are going to need to fire
>> > anything at all before this escalates into a conflict? Irish Mike
>> > seems
>> > to understand the implications of the situation at least. Though I
>> > don't
>> > agree with his views of Obama... or Bush.
>>
>> If it escalates into conflict it'll be because our leaders are a bunch of
>> hypocrites who are looking to pick a fight. Iran doesn't have the
>> capacity
>> to make weapons grade uranium. What are they going to arm their missiles
>> with, falafel?
>>
>> > I know you really didn't want a response and are just looking for
>> > something or someone to rant at... so here ya go. -enjoy
>>
>> Actually, I merely pointed out that your premise is stupid. Iran's no
>> bigger danger today than they were yesterday. No rant necessary.
>
> They have the centrifuges, they have the material. It would take them 1
> year to produce enough. They now have a rocket that is easily converted
> to a ballistic missile - and you contend they are no bigger of a threat.
> Something is stupid here alright.

Yes, and even more so if you look at it from Israel's perspective.
>
> Prior to the satellite launch their technology for missiles could not
> reach very far. With this new technology they are moving from a theater
> threat to a global one. Yes, they don't have a bomb yet. Do you suggest
> the world waits until they do?

Iran has aleady built enough conventional warhead missles to destroy every
city in Israel. They are currently working to develop a nuclear bomb and
the leader of Iran has publicly, and repeatedly, vowed to wipe Israel off
the map, I doubt the Israelis plan to wait for him to make good on his
promise.

Irish Mike




     
Date: 04 Feb 2009 09:54:29
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 3 2009 11:07 PM, MMelia wrote:

> On Feb 3 2009 6:52 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3 2009 6:25 PM, MMelia wrote:
> >
> > > On Feb 3 2009 5:28 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Feb 3 2009 12:48 PM, MMelia wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPSC15Yx6Q4Prc5MIqs27QdfjEYg
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone paying attention to this? This is bad news for everyone - on
> all
> > > > sides.
> > > >
> > > > Why? Is Iran going to launch their invisible nukes at us? Quick,
somebody
> > > > call Donald Rumsfeld!
> > >
> > > Look at the world view of Iran and Nukes and now add a ballistic
> > > capability to it. Do you really think they are going to need to fire
> > > anything at all before this escalates into a conflict? Irish Mike seems
> > > to understand the implications of the situation at least. Though I don't
> > > agree with his views of Obama... or Bush.
> >
> > If it escalates into conflict it'll be because our leaders are a bunch of
> > hypocrites who are looking to pick a fight. Iran doesn't have the capacity
> > to make weapons grade uranium. What are they going to arm their missiles
> > with, falafel?
> >
> > > I know you really didn't want a response and are just looking for
> > > something or someone to rant at... so here ya go. -enjoy
> >
> > Actually, I merely pointed out that your premise is stupid. Iran's no
> > bigger danger today than they were yesterday. No rant necessary.
>
> They have the centrifuges, they have the material. It would take them 1
> year to produce enough. They now have a rocket that is easily converted
> to a ballistic missile - and you contend they are no bigger of a threat.
> Something is stupid here alright.

You obviously do not understand how difficult it is to produce weapons
grade uranium. And your "one year" claim is utter bullshit.

> Prior to the satellite launch their technology for missiles could not
> reach very far. With this new technology they are moving from a theater
> threat to a global one. Yes, they don't have a bomb yet. Do you suggest
> the world waits until they do?

I suggest that we deal with reality, not fantasy. Iran is years away from
possessing a nuclear arsenal, and even if they were able to obtain a nuke
or 10, who cares? All a few nukes do is ensure that they aren't a victim
of a pre-emptive strike from the U.S. or Israel. Seems to me that's a
pretty sensible step to take when you're being threatened by two countries
that have proven they have no qualms about invading and occupying a
country on false pretenses.

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 13:32:08
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 4 2009 12:54 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:

> On Feb 3 2009 11:07 PM, MMelia wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3 2009 6:52 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> >
> > > On Feb 3 2009 6:25 PM, MMelia wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Feb 3 2009 5:28 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Feb 3 2009 12:48 PM, MMelia wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPSC15Yx6Q4Prc5MIqs27QdfjEYg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone paying attention to this? This is bad news for everyone -
on
> > all
> > > > > sides.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why? Is Iran going to launch their invisible nukes at us? Quick,
> somebody
> > > > > call Donald Rumsfeld!
> > > >
> > > > Look at the world view of Iran and Nukes and now add a ballistic
> > > > capability to it. Do you really think they are going to need to fire
> > > > anything at all before this escalates into a conflict? Irish Mike
seems
> > > > to understand the implications of the situation at least. Though I
don't
> > > > agree with his views of Obama... or Bush.
> > >
> > > If it escalates into conflict it'll be because our leaders are a bunch of
> > > hypocrites who are looking to pick a fight. Iran doesn't have the
capacity
> > > to make weapons grade uranium. What are they going to arm their missiles
> > > with, falafel?
> > >
> > > > I know you really didn't want a response and are just looking for
> > > > something or someone to rant at... so here ya go. -enjoy
> > >
> > > Actually, I merely pointed out that your premise is stupid. Iran's no
> > > bigger danger today than they were yesterday. No rant necessary.
> >
> > They have the centrifuges, they have the material. It would take them 1
> > year to produce enough. They now have a rocket that is easily converted
> > to a ballistic missile - and you contend they are no bigger of a threat.
> > Something is stupid here alright.
>
> You obviously do not understand how difficult it is to produce weapons
> grade uranium. And your "one year" claim is utter bullshit.
>

Every time you say something like this you are displaying to the world how
little you know.



> > Prior to the satellite launch their technology for missiles could not
> > reach very far. With this new technology they are moving from a theater
> > threat to a global one. Yes, they don't have a bomb yet. Do you suggest
> > the world waits until they do?
>
> I suggest that we deal with reality, not fantasy. Iran is years away from
> possessing a nuclear arsenal, and even if they were able to obtain a nuke
> or 10, who cares? All a few nukes do is ensure that they aren't a victim
> of a pre-emptive strike from the U.S. or Israel. Seems to me that's a
> pretty sensible step to take when you're being threatened by two countries
> that have proven they have no qualms about invading and occupying a
> country on false pretenses.

Wow. I have nothing else to say... just.... Wow.

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 16:05:33
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 4 2009 4:32 PM, MMelia wrote:

> On Feb 4 2009 12:54 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3 2009 11:07 PM, MMelia wrote:
> >
> > > On Feb 3 2009 6:52 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Feb 3 2009 6:25 PM, MMelia wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Feb 3 2009 5:28 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Feb 3 2009 12:48 PM, MMelia wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPSC15Yx6Q4Prc5MIqs27QdfjEYg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyone paying attention to this? This is bad news for everyone -
> on
> > > all
> > > > > > sides.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why? Is Iran going to launch their invisible nukes at us? Quick,
> > somebody
> > > > > > call Donald Rumsfeld!
> > > > >
> > > > > Look at the world view of Iran and Nukes and now add a ballistic
> > > > > capability to it. Do you really think they are going to need to fire
> > > > > anything at all before this escalates into a conflict? Irish Mike
> seems
> > > > > to understand the implications of the situation at least. Though I
> don't
> > > > > agree with his views of Obama... or Bush.
> > > >
> > > > If it escalates into conflict it'll be because our leaders are a bunch
of
> > > > hypocrites who are looking to pick a fight. Iran doesn't have the
> capacity
> > > > to make weapons grade uranium. What are they going to arm their
missiles
> > > > with, falafel?
> > > >
> > > > > I know you really didn't want a response and are just looking for
> > > > > something or someone to rant at... so here ya go. -enjoy
> > > >
> > > > Actually, I merely pointed out that your premise is stupid. Iran's no
> > > > bigger danger today than they were yesterday. No rant necessary.
> > >
> > > They have the centrifuges, they have the material. It would take them 1
> > > year to produce enough. They now have a rocket that is easily converted
> > > to a ballistic missile - and you contend they are no bigger of a threat.
> > > Something is stupid here alright.
> >
> > You obviously do not understand how difficult it is to produce weapons
> > grade uranium. And your "one year" claim is utter bullshit.
> >
>
> Every time you say something like this you are displaying to the world how
> little you know.

Then by all means, explain to the class how reactor-grade fuel can be
turned into weapons-grade material so easily, and so quickly.

> > > Prior to the satellite launch their technology for missiles could not
> > > reach very far. With this new technology they are moving from a theater
> > > threat to a global one. Yes, they don't have a bomb yet. Do you suggest
> > > the world waits until they do?
> >
> > I suggest that we deal with reality, not fantasy. Iran is years away from
> > possessing a nuclear arsenal, and even if they were able to obtain a nuke
> > or 10, who cares? All a few nukes do is ensure that they aren't a victim
> > of a pre-emptive strike from the U.S. or Israel. Seems to me that's a
> > pretty sensible step to take when you're being threatened by two countries
> > that have proven they have no qualms about invading and occupying a
> > country on false pretenses.
>
> Wow. I have nothing else to say... just.... Wow.

Well, that's certainly long overdue.

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 13:43:08
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
> Wow. I have nothing else to say... just.... Wow.

This is another reason why he is Gray and he is actually defending my
woman's fellow countryman and women and I still think he is nuts.

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 16:13:44
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 4 2009 4:43 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > Wow. I have nothing else to say... just.... Wow.
>
> This is another reason why he is Gray and he is actually defending my
> woman's fellow countryman and women and I still think he is nuts.

John, even if they had nukes (they don't), the chances of Iran launching a
nuclear attack on the U.S. or Israel is zero. Zilch. That's the whole
philosophy behind nuclear proliferation have weapons so powerful that
any threat against you COULD be met with the absolute annihilation of your
adversary. It's a nuclear stalemate.

For the record I do not support nuclear proliferation of any kind, all
I've pointed out is that from an Iranian standpoint, their pursuit of
nukes is absolutely sane and rational, and that even if they do obtain
them, it will not necessarily change the fundamental balance of power in
the region, except to make Iran off limits for an attack by Israeli/U.S.
forces. There's nothing at all crazy about this analysis.

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 19:59:44
From: Nico
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:54:29 -0800, in rec.gambling.poker "ChrisRobin"
<a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>I suggest that we deal with reality, not fantasy. Iran is years away from
>possessing a nuclear arsenal, and even if they were able to obtain a nuke
>or 10, who cares? All a few nukes do is ensure that they aren't a victim
>of a pre-emptive strike from the U.S. or Israel. Seems to me that's a
>pretty sensible step to take when you're being threatened by two countries
>that have proven they have no qualms about invading and occupying a
>country on false pretenses.

The USA _is_ the only country ever to use nuclear weapons in a war to
kill innocent civilians (twice). Do not worry about Iran having
rockets in space, worry about the USA having those.

Nico

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 11:36:21
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 4 2009 1:59 PM, Nico wrote:

> On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:54:29 -0800, in rec.gambling.poker "ChrisRobin"
> <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> >I suggest that we deal with reality, not fantasy. Iran is years away from
> >possessing a nuclear arsenal, and even if they were able to obtain a nuke
> >or 10, who cares? All a few nukes do is ensure that they aren't a victim
> >of a pre-emptive strike from the U.S. or Israel. Seems to me that's a
> >pretty sensible step to take when you're being threatened by two countries
> >that have proven they have no qualms about invading and occupying a
> >country on false pretenses.
>
> The USA _is_ the only country ever to use nuclear weapons in a war to
> kill innocent civilians (twice). Do not worry about Iran having
> rockets in space, worry about the USA having those.
>
> Nico
>
> --
> Disclaimer: the above is the author's personal opinion and is not
> the opinion or policy of his employer or of the little green men
> that have been following him all day.

I like your disclaimer Nico. As for your opinion that we should worry
about the USA having nuclear weapons and not worrry about Iran getting
them, I think those little green men following you are the least of your
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Date: 04 Feb 2009 10:20:40
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 4 2009 12:54 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:

> On Feb 3 2009 11:07 PM, MMelia wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3 2009 6:52 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> >
> > > On Feb 3 2009 6:25 PM, MMelia wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Feb 3 2009 5:28 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Feb 3 2009 12:48 PM, MMelia wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPSC15Yx6Q4Prc5MIqs27QdfjEYg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone paying attention to this? This is bad news for everyone -
on
> > all
> > > > > sides.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why? Is Iran going to launch their invisible nukes at us? Quick,
> somebody
> > > > > call Donald Rumsfeld!
> > > >
> > > > Look at the world view of Iran and Nukes and now add a ballistic
> > > > capability to it. Do you really think they are going to need to fire
> > > > anything at all before this escalates into a conflict? Irish Mike
seems
> > > > to understand the implications of the situation at least. Though I
don't
> > > > agree with his views of Obama... or Bush.
> > >
> > > If it escalates into conflict it'll be because our leaders are a bunch of
> > > hypocrites who are looking to pick a fight. Iran doesn't have the
capacity
> > > to make weapons grade uranium. What are they going to arm their missiles
> > > with, falafel?
> > >
> > > > I know you really didn't want a response and are just looking for
> > > > something or someone to rant at... so here ya go. -enjoy
> > >
> > > Actually, I merely pointed out that your premise is stupid. Iran's no
> > > bigger danger today than they were yesterday. No rant necessary.
> >
> > They have the centrifuges, they have the material. It would take them 1
> > year to produce enough. They now have a rocket that is easily converted
> > to a ballistic missile - and you contend they are no bigger of a threat.
> > Something is stupid here alright.
>
> You obviously do not understand how difficult it is to produce weapons
> grade uranium. And your "one year" claim is utter bullshit.
>
> > Prior to the satellite launch their technology for missiles could not
> > reach very far. With this new technology they are moving from a theater
> > threat to a global one. Yes, they don't have a bomb yet. Do you suggest
> > the world waits until they do?
>
> I suggest that we deal with reality, not fantasy. Iran is years away from
> possessing a nuclear arsenal, and even if they were able to obtain a nuke
> or 10, who cares? All a few nukes do is ensure that they aren't a victim
> of a pre-emptive strike from the U.S. or Israel. Seems to me that's a
> pretty sensible step to take when you're being threatened by two countries
> that have proven they have no qualms about invading and occupying a
> country on false pretenses.

So if Iran posessed 10 nuclear weapons, you would view it as an
encouraging development for world stability? Your view would be that this
would serve to eliminate the Israeli threat to Iran, and allow Iran to
live in peace?

I am certain that the Ayatollah in Iran would have a big smile if he knew
that people like you existed in America.

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 21:39:43
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 4 2009 11:20 AM, JerseyRudy wrote:

> So if Iran posessed 10 nuclear weapons, you would view it as an
> encouraging development for world stability? Your view would be that this
> would serve to eliminate the Israeli threat to Iran, and allow Iran to
> live in peace?
>
> I am certain that the Ayatollah in Iran would have a big smile if he knew
> that people like you existed in America.

The reality is that if there is anyone who would want to see an Iran with
nuclear weapons they would most appreciate someone else who would never
question Israel's extensive arsenal of nuclear weapons. That most
appreciated person would be you.

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Date: 06 Feb 2009 04:27:35
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made
risky biz wrote:

> The reality is that if there is anyone who would want to see an Iran with
> nuclear weapons they would most appreciate someone else who would never
> question Israel's extensive arsenal of nuclear weapons. That most
> appreciated person would be you.

Israel needs nuclear weapons for its survival (a principle threat being
from Iran). No one is threatening Iran's survival.


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Date: 06 Feb 2009 08:26:01
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-madetechnology.
On Feb 6 2009 4:27 AM, Joe Long wrote:

> risky biz wrote:
>
> > The reality is that if there is anyone who would want to see an Iran with
> > nuclear weapons they would most appreciate someone else who would never
> > question Israel's extensive arsenal of nuclear weapons. That most
> > appreciated person would be you.
>
> Israel needs nuclear weapons for its survival (a principle threat being
> from Iran). No one is threatening Iran's survival.

No one is threatening Iran's survival? Seriously, Joe Long- what planet
are you living on?

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Date: 06 Feb 2009 18:24:49
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-madetechnology.
risky biz wrote:
> On Feb 6 2009 4:27 AM, Joe Long wrote:
>
>> risky biz wrote:
>>
>>> The reality is that if there is anyone who would want to see an Iran with
>>> nuclear weapons they would most appreciate someone else who would never
>>> question Israel's extensive arsenal of nuclear weapons. That most
>>> appreciated person would be you.
>> Israel needs nuclear weapons for its survival (a principle threat being
>> from Iran). No one is threatening Iran's survival.
>
> No one is threatening Iran's survival? Seriously, Joe Long- what planet
> are you living on?

Would you care to name any country or organization that is threatening
to destroy Iran and drive the Iranians into the sea?


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Date: 06 Feb 2009 18:52:04
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-madetechnology.
On Feb 6 2009 6:24 PM, Joe Long wrote:

> risky biz wrote:
> > On Feb 6 2009 4:27 AM, Joe Long wrote:
> >
> >> risky biz wrote:
> >>
> >>> The reality is that if there is anyone who would want to see an Iran with
> >>> nuclear weapons they would most appreciate someone else who would never
> >>> question Israel's extensive arsenal of nuclear weapons. That most
> >>> appreciated person would be you.
> >> Israel needs nuclear weapons for its survival (a principle threat being
> >> from Iran). No one is threatening Iran's survival.
> >
> > No one is threatening Iran's survival? Seriously, Joe Long- what planet
> > are you living on?
>
> Would you care to name any country or organization that is threatening
> to destroy Iran and drive the Iranians into the sea?

I'll tell you what, Mr. well-informed genius, first, why don't you name a
country or organization that is threatening to destroy Israel and drive
Israelis into the sea? Once you have done that I will show you photographs
of Israelis driving Arabs into the sea. You will find that it was Israelis
who invented the concept and employed it and which they then pretended was
threatened by the Arabs.

"On 11 October 1961 Israeli Prime Minister David Ben Gurion declared in
the Israeli Knesset:

'The Arabs' exit from Palestine...began immediately after the UN
resolution, from the areas earmarked for the Jewish state. And we have
explicit documents testifying that they left Palestine following
instructions by the Arab leaders, with the Mufti at their head, under the
assumption that the invasion of the Arab armies at the expiration of the
Mandate will destroy the Jewish state and push all the Jews into the sea,
dead or alive'.

Thus, Mr Ben Gurion is asserting that it is his perception that 1) there
were directions from the neighboring Arab states and the Mufti in
Jerusalem for the indigenous Arabs of Palestine to evacuate their homes
and lands on the promise that the Arab armies would destroy the nascent
Jewish state, and, further, 2) that those armies intended to "push all the
Jews into the sea, dead or alive". The phrase "push all the Jews into the
sea, dead or alive" has acquired a life of its own as it is invoked by
Zionist supporters on a daily basis in order to justify the aggressive
policies of Israel as well as its recalcitrance in continuing the
occupation of the Palestinians of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem.

It is a highly emotive phrase invoking images of the Holocaust, though
adapted to a Mediterranean setting.

Mr Ben Gurion gives no attribution for this phrase, nor does he claim that
it is a quote from an Arab source. It is expressed here as if it is his
personal surmise as to the Arab army's intentions.

The phrase has been variously attributed by Zionist supporters to Yasser
Arafat, Gamel Abdul Nasser, or any other of Israel's enemies, but none
whom I have challenged, including U S Congressman Henry Waxman who made
the claim in a letter to me, attributing the phrase to Nasser, have been
able to provide any documentation of support for their claim. This 1961
speech certainly predates Arafat's 1968 ascension to the head of the PLO.
The phrase is very much entrenched in the thinking of Israel supporters
and is taken as a factual basis for an Arab intent of Genocide and of
their own potential for peril.

The speech by Mr. Ben Gurion appears to be the origin of the phrase. A
search of the speeches of Gamel Abdul Nasser fails to reveal it, nor does
it reveal any other than a pragmatics approach to his dealing with Israel.
This phrase is sufficiently dramatic and threatening so that if it was in
fact uttered by a significant Arab leader, it would be prominent and
easily found in any competent historical treatment, which it is not. The
phrase, thus, has a Jewish origin and not an Arab origin. Mr Ben Gurion is
the originator of the phrase, in all likelihood."
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Date: 07 Feb 2009 02:42:28
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-madetechnology.
risky biz wrote:
> On Feb 6 2009 6:24 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>
>> risky biz wrote:
>>> On Feb 6 2009 4:27 AM, Joe Long wrote:
>>>
>>>> risky biz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The reality is that if there is anyone who would want to see an Iran with
>>>>> nuclear weapons they would most appreciate someone else who would never
>>>>> question Israel's extensive arsenal of nuclear weapons. That most
>>>>> appreciated person would be you.
>>>> Israel needs nuclear weapons for its survival (a principle threat being
>>>> from Iran). No one is threatening Iran's survival.
>>> No one is threatening Iran's survival? Seriously, Joe Long- what planet
>>> are you living on?
>> Would you care to name any country or organization that is threatening
>> to destroy Iran and drive the Iranians into the sea?
>
> I'll tell you what, Mr. well-informed genius, first, why don't you name a
> country or organization that is threatening to destroy Israel and drive
> Israelis into the sea?

Iran. Hamas. Hezbollah. For starters.

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Date: 07 Feb 2009 06:32:24
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-madetechnology.
On Feb 7 2009 2:42 AM, Joe Long wrote:

> risky biz wrote:
> > On Feb 6 2009 6:24 PM, Joe Long wrote:
> >
> >> risky biz wrote:
> >>> On Feb 6 2009 4:27 AM, Joe Long wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> risky biz wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The reality is that if there is anyone who would want to see an Iran
with
> >>>>> nuclear weapons they would most appreciate someone else who would never
> >>>>> question Israel's extensive arsenal of nuclear weapons. That most
> >>>>> appreciated person would be you.
> >>>> Israel needs nuclear weapons for its survival (a principle threat being
> >>>> from Iran). No one is threatening Iran's survival.
> >>> No one is threatening Iran's survival? Seriously, Joe Long- what planet
> >>> are you living on?
> >> Would you care to name any country or organization that is threatening
> >> to destroy Iran and drive the Iranians into the sea?
> >
> > I'll tell you what, Mr. well-informed genius, first, why don't you name a
> > country or organization that is threatening to destroy Israel and drive
> > Israelis into the sea?
>
> Iran. Hamas. Hezbollah. For starters.

It's easy to name names isn't it? Show me where they said what you claim
they said.

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Date: 09 Feb 2009 09:47:38
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-madetechnology.
On Feb 7 2009 9:32 AM, risky biz wrote:

> On Feb 7 2009 2:42 AM, Joe Long wrote:
>
> > risky biz wrote:
> > > On Feb 6 2009 6:24 PM, Joe Long wrote:
> > >
> > >> risky biz wrote:
> > >>> On Feb 6 2009 4:27 AM, Joe Long wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> risky biz wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> The reality is that if there is anyone who would want to see an Iran
> with
> > >>>>> nuclear weapons they would most appreciate someone else who would
never
> > >>>>> question Israel's extensive arsenal of nuclear weapons. That most
> > >>>>> appreciated person would be you.
> > >>>> Israel needs nuclear weapons for its survival (a principle threat
being
> > >>>> from Iran). No one is threatening Iran's survival.
> > >>> No one is threatening Iran's survival? Seriously, Joe Long- what planet
> > >>> are you living on?
> > >> Would you care to name any country or organization that is threatening
> > >> to destroy Iran and drive the Iranians into the sea?
> > >
> > > I'll tell you what, Mr. well-informed genius, first, why don't you name a
> > > country or organization that is threatening to destroy Israel and drive
> > > Israelis into the sea?
> >
> > Iran. Hamas. Hezbollah. For starters.
>
> It's easy to name names isn't it? Show me where they said what you claim
> they said.

You are really engaging in a debate about the intentions of Iran, Hamas
and Hezbollah towards Israel? Since it is clear to most of the world that
Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah do not want Israel to exist (the support being
the refusal of all three of them to recognize the existence of Israel) can
you explain to us what you think their intentions towards Israel are?

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Date: 09 Feb 2009 13:56:53
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-madetechnology.

"JerseyRudy" <a44f915@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:qq6666x7r1.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 7 2009 9:32 AM, risky biz wrote:
>
>> On Feb 7 2009 2:42 AM, Joe Long wrote:
>>
>> > risky biz wrote:
>> > > On Feb 6 2009 6:24 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> risky biz wrote:
>> > >>> On Feb 6 2009 4:27 AM, Joe Long wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> risky biz wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> The reality is that if there is anyone who would want to see an
>> > >>>>> Iran
>> with
>> > >>>>> nuclear weapons they would most appreciate someone else who would
> never
>> > >>>>> question Israel's extensive arsenal of nuclear weapons. That most
>> > >>>>> appreciated person would be you.
>> > >>>> Israel needs nuclear weapons for its survival (a principle threat
> being
>> > >>>> from Iran). No one is threatening Iran's survival.
>> > >>> No one is threatening Iran's survival? Seriously, Joe Long- what
>> > >>> planet
>> > >>> are you living on?
>> > >> Would you care to name any country or organization that is
>> > >> threatening
>> > >> to destroy Iran and drive the Iranians into the sea?
>> > >
>> > > I'll tell you what, Mr. well-informed genius, first, why don't you
>> > > name a
>> > > country or organization that is threatening to destroy Israel and
>> > > drive
>> > > Israelis into the sea?
>> >
>> > Iran. Hamas. Hezbollah. For starters.
>>
>> It's easy to name names isn't it? Show me where they said what you claim
>> they said.
>
> You are really engaging in a debate about the intentions of Iran, Hamas
> and Hezbollah towards Israel? Since it is clear to most of the world that
> Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah do not want Israel to exist (the support being
> the refusal of all three of them to recognize the existence of Israel) can
> you explain to us what you think their intentions towards Israel are?

Do you mean before, or after, they slaughter every Jewish man, woman and
child?

Irish Mike




          
Date: 06 Feb 2009 09:53:31
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-madetechnology.
On Feb 6 2009 11:26 AM, risky biz wrote:

> On Feb 6 2009 4:27 AM, Joe Long wrote:
>
> > risky biz wrote:
> >
> > > The reality is that if there is anyone who would want to see an Iran with
> > > nuclear weapons they would most appreciate someone else who would never
> > > question Israel's extensive arsenal of nuclear weapons. That most
> > > appreciated person would be you.
> >
> > Israel needs nuclear weapons for its survival (a principle threat being
> > from Iran). No one is threatening Iran's survival.
>
> No one is threatening Iran's survival? Seriously, Joe Long- what planet
> are you living on?

Do you know of statements made by the US or Israel (or anyone else) in
which they threaten to wipe Iran off the map? Because those are the
statements made by the President of Iran about Israel.

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Date: 06 Feb 2009 18:42:15
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-madetechnology.
On Feb 6 2009 10:53 AM, JerseyRudy wrote:

> On Feb 6 2009 11:26 AM, risky biz wrote:
>
> > On Feb 6 2009 4:27 AM, Joe Long wrote:
> >
> > > risky biz wrote:
> > >
> > > > The reality is that if there is anyone who would want to see an Iran
with
> > > > nuclear weapons they would most appreciate someone else who would never
> > > > question Israel's extensive arsenal of nuclear weapons. That most
> > > > appreciated person would be you.
> > >
> > > Israel needs nuclear weapons for its survival (a principle threat being
> > > from Iran). No one is threatening Iran's survival.
> >
> > No one is threatening Iran's survival? Seriously, Joe Long- what planet
> > are you living on?
>
> Do you know of statements made by the US or Israel (or anyone else) in
> which they threaten to wipe Iran off the map? Because those are the
> statements made by the President of Iran about Israel.

The statement made by Ahmadinejad was, "The zionist regime should be
erased from the page of history." Where in that statement do you see the
word "Israel" or the word "map"?

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Date: 06 Feb 2009 16:37:41
From: Nico
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:27:35 -0700, in rec.gambling.poker Joe Long
<nospam@spam.com > wrote:

>> The reality is that if there is anyone who would want to see an Iran with
>> nuclear weapons they would most appreciate someone else who would never
>> question Israel's extensive arsenal of nuclear weapons. That most
>> appreciated person would be you.
>
>Israel needs nuclear weapons for its survival (a principle threat being
>from Iran). No one is threatening Iran's survival.

And why does the USA have nuclear weapons?
Does Canada need more space?

Nico

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Date: 06 Feb 2009 18:26:44
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made
Nico wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:27:35 -0700, in rec.gambling.poker Joe Long
> <nospam@spam.com> wrote:

>> Israel needs nuclear weapons for its survival (a principle threat being
>>from Iran). No one is threatening Iran's survival.

> And why does the USA have nuclear weapons?
> Does Canada need more space?

There was this thingy called the Soviet Union. Their leader once
famously predicted that they would bury us. It was in all the papers.


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Date: 06 Feb 2009 18:39:28
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-madetechnology.
On Feb 6 2009 6:26 PM, Joe Long wrote:

> Nico wrote:
> > On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:27:35 -0700, in rec.gambling.poker Joe Long
> > <nospam@spam.com> wrote:
>
> >> Israel needs nuclear weapons for its survival (a principle threat being
> >>from Iran). No one is threatening Iran's survival.
>
> > And why does the USA have nuclear weapons?
> > Does Canada need more space?
>
> There was this thingy called the Soviet Union. Their leader once
> famously predicted that they would bury us. It was in all the papers.

Hey, brainstorm, can you figure out what "was" means?

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 08:08:38
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
"risky biz"

> The reality is that if there is anyone who would want to see an Iran with
> nuclear weapons they would most appreciate someone else who would never
> question Israel's extensive arsenal of nuclear weapons. That most
> appreciated person would be you.

I am trying to understand your point here.

Do you think that Israel would pose a greater military threat to Iran if
Iran did NOT have nuclear weapons ambitions?

Do you think that Iran poses a lesser military threat to Israel if it
obtains nuclear weapons?




         
Date: 05 Feb 2009 07:48:39
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 5 2009 7:08 AM, da pickle wrote:

> "risky biz"
>
> > The reality is that if there is anyone who would want to see an Iran with
> > nuclear weapons they would most appreciate someone else who would never
> > question Israel's extensive arsenal of nuclear weapons. That most
> > appreciated person would be you.
>
> I am trying to understand your point here.
>
> Do you think that Israel would pose a greater military threat to Iran if
> Iran did NOT have nuclear weapons ambitions?
>
> Do you think that Iran poses a lesser military threat to Israel if it
> obtains nuclear weapons?

I'll answer those questions, pickles, if anyone else here admits that they
don't understand what I wrote.

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Date: 05 Feb 2009 21:49:44
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:48:39 -0800, "risky biz"
<risky-biz@sbcglobal.net > wrote:

>On Feb 5 2009 7:08 AM, da pickle wrote:
>
>> "risky biz"
>>
>> > The reality is that if there is anyone who would want to see an Iran with
>> > nuclear weapons they would most appreciate someone else who would never
>> > question Israel's extensive arsenal of nuclear weapons. That most
>> > appreciated person would be you.
>>
>> I am trying to understand your point here.
>>
>> Do you think that Israel would pose a greater military threat to Iran if
>> Iran did NOT have nuclear weapons ambitions?
>>
>> Do you think that Iran poses a lesser military threat to Israel if it
>> obtains nuclear weapons?
>
>I'll answer those questions, pickles, if anyone else here admits that they
>don't understand what I wrote.
>

You wrote:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > The reality is that if there is anyone who would want to see an Iran with
> > nuclear weapons they would most appreciate someone else who would never
> > question Israel's extensive arsenal of nuclear weapons. That most
> > appreciated person would be you.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Could you please translate that from your native Klingon language,
into plain American English?

TIA


           
Date: 06 Feb 2009 08:03:22
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
"FL Turbo"

>>> Do you think that Israel would pose a greater military threat to Iran if
>>> Iran did NOT have nuclear weapons ambitions?
>>>
>>> Do you think that Iran poses a lesser military threat to Israel if it
>>> obtains nuclear weapons?
>>
>>I'll answer those questions, pickles, if anyone else here admits that they
>>don't understand what I wrote.
>>
>
> You wrote:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > The reality is that if there is anyone who would want to see an Iran
>> > with
>> > nuclear weapons they would most appreciate someone else who would never
>> > question Israel's extensive arsenal of nuclear weapons. That most
>> > appreciated person would be you.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Could you please translate that from your native Klingon language,
> into plain American English?

I don't know if you qualify as "anyone" to risky, Turbo. We'll see if he
answers your question and whether he answers my questions. I kept them
really simple.




          
Date: 05 Feb 2009 11:55:15
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
"risky biz"

> I'll answer those questions, pickles, if anyone else here admits that they
> don't understand what I wrote.

OK, I'll ask them to explain it to me.




           
Date: 05 Feb 2009 19:35:02
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 5 2009 10:55 AM, da pickle wrote:

> "risky biz"
>
> > I'll answer those questions, pickles, if anyone else here admits that they
> > don't understand what I wrote.
>
> OK, I'll ask them to explain it to me.

Don't hold your breath.

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 15:27:36
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 4 2009 1:20 PM, JerseyRudy wrote:

> On Feb 4 2009 12:54 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3 2009 11:07 PM, MMelia wrote:
> >
> > > On Feb 3 2009 6:52 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Feb 3 2009 6:25 PM, MMelia wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Feb 3 2009 5:28 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Feb 3 2009 12:48 PM, MMelia wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPSC15Yx6Q4Prc5MIqs27QdfjEYg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyone paying attention to this? This is bad news for everyone -
> on
> > > all
> > > > > > sides.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why? Is Iran going to launch their invisible nukes at us? Quick,
> > somebody
> > > > > > call Donald Rumsfeld!
> > > > >
> > > > > Look at the world view of Iran and Nukes and now add a ballistic
> > > > > capability to it. Do you really think they are going to need to fire
> > > > > anything at all before this escalates into a conflict? Irish Mike
> seems
> > > > > to understand the implications of the situation at least. Though I
> don't
> > > > > agree with his views of Obama... or Bush.
> > > >
> > > > If it escalates into conflict it'll be because our leaders are a bunch
of
> > > > hypocrites who are looking to pick a fight. Iran doesn't have the
> capacity
> > > > to make weapons grade uranium. What are they going to arm their
missiles
> > > > with, falafel?
> > > >
> > > > > I know you really didn't want a response and are just looking for
> > > > > something or someone to rant at... so here ya go. -enjoy
> > > >
> > > > Actually, I merely pointed out that your premise is stupid. Iran's no
> > > > bigger danger today than they were yesterday. No rant necessary.
> > >
> > > They have the centrifuges, they have the material. It would take them 1
> > > year to produce enough. They now have a rocket that is easily converted
> > > to a ballistic missile - and you contend they are no bigger of a threat.
> > > Something is stupid here alright.
> >
> > You obviously do not understand how difficult it is to produce weapons
> > grade uranium. And your "one year" claim is utter bullshit.
> >
> > > Prior to the satellite launch their technology for missiles could not
> > > reach very far. With this new technology they are moving from a theater
> > > threat to a global one. Yes, they don't have a bomb yet. Do you suggest
> > > the world waits until they do?
> >
> > I suggest that we deal with reality, not fantasy. Iran is years away from
> > possessing a nuclear arsenal, and even if they were able to obtain a nuke
> > or 10, who cares? All a few nukes do is ensure that they aren't a victim
> > of a pre-emptive strike from the U.S. or Israel. Seems to me that's a
> > pretty sensible step to take when you're being threatened by two countries
> > that have proven they have no qualms about invading and occupying a
> > country on false pretenses.
>
> So if Iran posessed 10 nuclear weapons, you would view it as an
> encouraging development for world stability? Your view would be that this
> would serve to eliminate the Israeli threat to Iran, and allow Iran to
> live in peace?

I do not view nuclear proliferation as "encouraging" in any sense, but
from Iran's perspective, it's obvious that acquiring nukes is a perfectly
sane and logical step to protect themselves from U.S./Israeli aggression.
Geopolitically, nukes are defensive weapons; they're used entirely for the
purpose of deterrence. Surely you realize Iran isn't stupid enough to use
them on us, or on Israel, in a first-strike attack.

> I am certain that the Ayatollah in Iran would have a big smile if he knew
> that people like you existed in America.

This isn't about ideology. It's about critical thinking and common sense,
both of which seem to have abandoned you.

BTW, you sound more and more like Irish Mike every day.

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Date: 04 Feb 2009 18:18:55
From: bub
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:27:36 -0800, "ChrisRobin"
<a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>Surely you realize Iran isn't stupid enough to use
>them on us, or on Israel, in a first-strike attack.

surely you realize that they can get them and then hand them out to
whomever they want. israel gets attacked and iran denies everything.



>BTW, you sound more and more like Irish Mike every day.
btw, you still sound stupid as always.


       
Date: 04 Feb 2009 18:43:46
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
"JerseyRudy"

> So if Iran posessed 10 nuclear weapons, you would view it as an
> encouraging development for world stability? Your view would be that this
> would serve to eliminate the Israeli threat to Iran, and allow Iran to
> live in peace?
>
> I am certain that the Ayatollah in Iran would have a big smile if he knew
> that people like you existed in America.

I do not want to miss this opportunity to agree with you, Rudy.




       
Date: 04 Feb 2009 20:02:40
From: Nico
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:20:40 -0800, in rec.gambling.poker "JerseyRudy"
<a44f915@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>So if Iran posessed 10 nuclear weapons, you would view it as an
>encouraging development for world stability? Your view would be that this
>would serve to eliminate the Israeli threat to Iran, and allow Iran to
>live in peace?

America and the Soviet Union have used the same arguments for their
nuclear arsenal. Why is it suddenly wrong now?

Nico

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Date: 03 Feb 2009 23:59:51
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 3 2009 9:07 PM, MMelia wrote:

> On Feb 3 2009 6:52 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3 2009 6:25 PM, MMelia wrote:
> >
> > > On Feb 3 2009 5:28 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Feb 3 2009 12:48 PM, MMelia wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPSC15Yx6Q4Prc5MIqs27QdfjEYg
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone paying attention to this? This is bad news for everyone - on
> all
> > > > sides.
> > > >
> > > > Why? Is Iran going to launch their invisible nukes at us? Quick,
somebody
> > > > call Donald Rumsfeld!
> > >
> > > Look at the world view of Iran and Nukes and now add a ballistic
> > > capability to it. Do you really think they are going to need to fire
> > > anything at all before this escalates into a conflict? Irish Mike seems
> > > to understand the implications of the situation at least. Though I don't
> > > agree with his views of Obama... or Bush.
> >
> > If it escalates into conflict it'll be because our leaders are a bunch of
> > hypocrites who are looking to pick a fight. Iran doesn't have the capacity
> > to make weapons grade uranium. What are they going to arm their missiles
> > with, falafel?
> >
> > > I know you really didn't want a response and are just looking for
> > > something or someone to rant at... so here ya go. -enjoy
> >
> > Actually, I merely pointed out that your premise is stupid. Iran's no
> > bigger danger today than they were yesterday. No rant necessary.
>
> They have the centrifuges, they have the material. It would take them 1
> year to produce enough. They now have a rocket that is easily converted
> to a ballistic missile - and you contend they are no bigger of a threat.
> Something is stupid here alright.

Yeah, you're right. It's stupid to equip one of their neighbors with 200
or more nuclear warheads, wonder why in the world they might want a
deterrent capability, and get hysterical about the possibility that they
might, maybe, be able to produce one.


> Prior to the satellite launch their technology for missiles could not
> reach very far. With this new technology they are moving from a theater
> threat to a global one. Yes, they don't have a bomb yet. Do you suggest
> the world waits until they do?

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Date: 03 Feb 2009 14:07:16
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.

"MMelia" <a4f63df@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:2kcm56x7em.ln2@recgroups.com...
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPSC15Yx6Q4Prc5MIqs27QdfjEYg
>
> Anyone paying attention to this? This is bad news for everyone - on all
> sides.

Perfect timing. Obama guts America's defenses and Iran puts a satellite in
space. I think al queada should hire Obama as their minister of
propaganda - he's doing a wonderful job for them. Well bucko, The Messiah &
The Keystone Kops may not have noticedthis but you can bet Israel did.

Irish Mike




  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 20:00:18
From: funky cold medina
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made
On Feb 4, 6:56=A0pm, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "funky cold medina" <kellywon...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:54b0a8e4=
-f82d-47bb-bb37-157398fa41be@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 3, 11:22 am, "MrBookworm" <a825...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > Perfect timing. Obama guts America's defenses and Iran puts a satelli=
te
> > > in
> > > space. I think al queada should hire Obama as their minister of
>
> > How in the fuck did Obama gut our defenses in 2 weeks on the job? Do yo=
u
> > even believe your own bullshit?
>
> > Dean
>
> According to the Gospel of Irish Mike - Barack Obama is personally
> responsible for: Cancer, Poverty, Mike's recent personal problems with
> ED, the break-up of Sonny and Cher, the proliferation of uppity
> negroes, internet porn, the cancellation of the TJ Hooker series, and
> of course the coming apocalypse.
>
> Just FYI.
>
> Sorry bucko, by you liberals have been pinning those raps on President Bu=
sh
> for the last eight years.
> BTW, you forgot to mention that you also blamed Bush for global warming,
> Katrina and the Brad and Jennifer divorce.
>
> Irish Mike

btw - Kidding aside, I agree with you (not about Obama gutting the
military). I don't think some of these guys appreciate the deep
seated hatred towards the West that is intertwined with the extreme
elements of the fundamentalist belief system that has evolved in
Iran ... and is absolute truth to many of the people who now hold the
strings of power. It's not like Poland getting nuclear weapons.

We're talking about an element who believes it is their destiny to
overcome the West and run roughshod over the infidels. Calling us the
'Great Satan' wasn't just fun, games, and rhetoric.


   
Date: 04 Feb 2009 23:54:49
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.

"funky cold medina" <kellywong74@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:97cfdb89-cd42-46f8-905a-3686349ab66b@a12g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 4, 6:56 pm, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "funky cold medina" <kellywon...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> messagenews:54b0a8e4-f82d-47bb-bb37-157398fa41be@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 3, 11:22 am, "MrBookworm" <a825...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > Perfect timing. Obama guts America's defenses and Iran puts a
> > > satellite
> > > in
> > > space. I think al queada should hire Obama as their minister of
>
> > How in the fuck did Obama gut our defenses in 2 weeks on the job? Do you
> > even believe your own bullshit?
>
> > Dean
>
> According to the Gospel of Irish Mike - Barack Obama is personally
> responsible for: Cancer, Poverty, Mike's recent personal problems with
> ED, the break-up of Sonny and Cher, the proliferation of uppity
> negroes, internet porn, the cancellation of the TJ Hooker series, and
> of course the coming apocalypse.
>
> Just FYI.
>
> Sorry bucko, by you liberals have been pinning those raps on President
> Bush
> for the last eight years.
> BTW, you forgot to mention that you also blamed Bush for global warming,
> Katrina and the Brad and Jennifer divorce.
>
> Irish Mike

btw - Kidding aside, I agree with you (not about Obama gutting the
military). I don't think some of these guys appreciate the deep
seated hatred towards the West that is intertwined with the extreme
elements of the fundamentalist belief system that has evolved in
Iran ... and is absolute truth to many of the people who now hold the
strings of power. It's not like Poland getting nuclear weapons.

We're talking about an element who believes it is their destiny to
overcome the West and run roughshod over the infidels. Calling us the
'Great Satan' wasn't just fun, games, and rhetoric.

The fundamental problem is that liberals in general and Obama in particular
have no true understanding of the danger posed by radical islam. They look
at the terrorist attacks and bombings in England, Spain, France, Russia,
Kenya, India, Philippines, Israel, America, etc. as isolated attacks. They
have never understood that all of these islamic attacks are part of a larger
picture. That all of the various groups of radical islam have the same
ultimate objective, which is the destruction of America and the forced
acceptance of islam as the dominant world religion.
They naively believe Israel is the source of conflict when, in reality, if
Israel disappeared tomorrow, it would not appease or deter radical islamic
terrorists in the slightest. Their ultimate objective is, and always will
be, a world ruled by fundamentalist islamic law.

Irish Mike




    
Date: 05 Feb 2009 08:01:15
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
"Irish Mike"

> The fundamental problem is that liberals in general and Obama in
> particular have no true understanding of the danger posed by radical
> islam. They look at the terrorist attacks and bombings in England, Spain,
> France, Russia, Kenya, India, Philippines, Israel, America, etc. as
> isolated attacks. They have never understood that all of these islamic
> attacks are part of a larger picture. That all of the various groups of
> radical islam have the same ultimate objective, which is the destruction
> of America and the forced acceptance of islam as the dominant world
> religion.
> They naively believe Israel is the source of conflict when, in reality, if
> Israel disappeared tomorrow, it would not appease or deter radical islamic
> terrorists in the slightest. Their ultimate objective is, and always will
> be, a world ruled by fundamentalist islamic law.

Mike, I actually believe that neither you nor I have a "true understanding
of the danger posed by radical islam."

I do believe that some liberals (in general) believe they have a true
understanding of the danger posed by radical islam, but they are in error.

I also believe that while Obama may or may not believe that HE has a true
understanding of the danger posed by radical islam, I also believe Obama
believes he can assemble a group that DOES have a true understanding of the
danger posed by radical islam and he believes he can learn "the answer" to
resolving the danger posed by radical islam. (Or at least the best method
of confronting that danger.) (Or at least a better method than has been
tried in the past.)

I enjoyed this piece by James Taranto a few days ago ... you might enjoy it
too.

It is in the WSJ and requires a subscription, I think.

By JAMES TARANTO
Does President Bush's departure from the White House mark the end of the
"war on terror"? Britain's foreign secretary hopes so. Voice of America
reports that he "is calling for democracies to rethink their strategy
against extremists, saying the notion of the 'war on terror' is misleading
and mistaken":

--------------------------------------------------------
David Miliband said in the Indian city of Mumbai Thursday that the U.S.-led
"war on terror" was an attempt to build solidarity by portraying a fight
against a single shared enemy.

But, he said, the forces of violent extremism are diverse. Miliband said
that by grouping various terrorist organizations together and drawing battle
lines as a simple struggle between good and evil, extremists are aided in
their effort to unify groups with little in common.
---------------------------------------------------------




Barack Obama is sure to hear more such calls once he becomes president, and
he seems more likely, at least, to give them a respectful hearing than
President Bush has--although in 2007, when candidate John Edwards repudiated
the war on terror as a mere "slogan," Obama pointedly did not follow suit.
The new president seems to understand that it is a war, and that denying
that it is will not dissuade the enemy from waging war on us.

But there is a serious conceptual problem with the idea of the "war on
terror" (or, more precisely, on terrorism--the tactic rather than the
emotion): It utterly fails to identify the enemy. We pondered the conundrum
in our Weekend Interview with Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders:

------------------------------------------------------
Since 9/11, American political leaders have struggled with the question of
how to describe the ideology of the enemy without making enemies of the
world's billion or so Muslims. The various terms they have tried--"Islamic
extremism," "Islamism," "Islamofascism"--have fallen short of both clarity
and melioration.
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Wilders's answer is that there is no distinction, no such thing as moderate
Islam: "I see Islam more as an ideology than as a religion." But whatever
its theological merits, this view is empirically false. There are strains of
Islam that are ideologically moderate, and the vast majority of Muslims are
far more moderate in their behavior than the terrorists of al Qaeda, Hamas,
Hezbollah and other such movements.

So, how does one describe these movements? "Terrorist," as we have noted, is
too imprecise, a reference to tactics, not ideology. What we need is a term
that acknowledges that they are Islamic movements without implying anything
invidious about Muslims who do not belong to such movements.

The answer: Islamic supremacy. The analogous term, white supremacy, is in no
way offensive to whites, Indeed, condemnations of white supremacy generally
succeed at shaming whites into shunning groups like the Ku Klux Klan, just
as the West hopes to shame Muslims into shunning Islamic supremacist groups.

We would define Islamic supremacy as follows: a doctrine that seeks to
subjugate or exterminate non-Muslims, or convert them to Islam by force.
This is slightly different from white supremacy, in that there is no such
thing as a racial conversion--but we think the analogy is close enough to be
useful.

One might argue that supremacy is inherent in Islam, inasmuch as it claims
to be the one true religion and (unlike some other faiths, such as Judaism)
seeks converts. But the same is true of Christianity, which has largely made
peace with secular modernity and religious pluralism. Reconciling Islam with
religious pluralism is a task for Muslims. Combating Islamic supremacist
movements is one for non-Muslims and nonsupremacist Muslims alike.




  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 17:34:47
From: funky cold medina
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made
On Feb 3, 11:22=A0am, "MrBookworm" <a825...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> > Perfect timing. =A0Obama guts America's defenses and Iran puts a satell=
ite in
> > space. =A0I think al queada should hire Obama as their minister of
>
> How in the fuck did Obama gut our defenses in 2 weeks on the job? Do you
> even believe your own bullshit?
>
> Dean


According to the Gospel of Irish Mike - Barack Obama is personally
responsible for: Cancer, Poverty, Mike's recent personal problems with
ED, the break-up of Sonny and Cher, the proliferation of uppity
negroes, internet porn, the cancellation of the TJ Hooker series, and
of course the coming apocalypse.

Just FYI.


   
Date: 04 Feb 2009 21:56:25
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.

"funky cold medina" <kellywong74@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:54b0a8e4-f82d-47bb-bb37-157398fa41be@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 3, 11:22 am, "MrBookworm" <a825...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> > Perfect timing. Obama guts America's defenses and Iran puts a satellite
> > in
> > space. I think al queada should hire Obama as their minister of
>
> How in the fuck did Obama gut our defenses in 2 weeks on the job? Do you
> even believe your own bullshit?
>
> Dean


According to the Gospel of Irish Mike - Barack Obama is personally
responsible for: Cancer, Poverty, Mike's recent personal problems with
ED, the break-up of Sonny and Cher, the proliferation of uppity
negroes, internet porn, the cancellation of the TJ Hooker series, and
of course the coming apocalypse.

Just FYI.

Sorry bucko, by you liberals have been pinning those raps on President Bush
for the last eight years.
BTW, you forgot to mention that you also blamed Bush for global warming,
Katrina and the Brad and Jennifer divorce.

Irish Mike




  
Date: 04 Feb 2009 09:03:19
From: thepixelfreak
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On 2009-02-03 11:07:16 -0800, "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > said:

> Perfect timing. Obama guts America's defenses and Iran puts a satellite in
> space.

please o'Irish one, explain just what has Obama done to 'gut' US defenses?
--

thepixelfreak



  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 14:56:07
From: Martin D
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made

> =A0 =A0Watching republicans implode is fun.
>
> =A0 =A0Vic

Not half as fun as Mike posting a sentence or two
and watching all the Libs around here go ape shit.


  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 12:32:17
From: Vic Vaselino
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 3 2009 2:07 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> Perfect timing. Obama guts America's defenses and Iran puts a satellite in
> space. I think al queada should hire Obama as their minister of
> propaganda - he's doing a wonderful job for them. Well bucko, The Messiah &
> The Keystone Kops may not have noticedthis but you can bet Israel did.
>
> Irish Mike


Watching republicans implode is fun.

Vic

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Date: 03 Feb 2009 12:48:11
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 3 2009 3:32 PM, Vic Vaselino wrote:

> On Feb 3 2009 2:07 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >
> > Perfect timing. Obama guts America's defenses and Iran puts a satellite
in
> > space. I think al queada should hire Obama as their minister of
> > propaganda - he's doing a wonderful job for them. Well bucko, The Messiah
&
> > The Keystone Kops may not have noticedthis but you can bet Israel did.
> >
> > Irish Mike
>
>
> Watching republicans implode is fun.
>
> Vic

Minor correction, but they already imploded. What we are witnessing now is
the after-effects, with people like Rush Limbaugh and Irish Mike leading
the way.

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Date: 03 Feb 2009 12:28:41
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made
On Feb 3, 11:07=A0am, "Irish Reich" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:


> Perfect timing. =A0Obama guts America's defenses and Iran puts a satellit=
e in
> space.


Yeah...no way Iran launches that rocket if "War Hero" is president.



  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 11:25:27
From: JerseyRudy
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
On Feb 3 2009 2:07 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "MMelia" <a4f63df@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:2kcm56x7em.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPSC15Yx6Q4Prc5MIqs27QdfjEYg
> >
> > Anyone paying attention to this? This is bad news for everyone - on all
> > sides.
>
> Perfect timing. Obama guts America's defenses and Iran puts a satellite in
> space. I think al queada should hire Obama as their minister of
> propaganda - he's doing a wonderful job for them. Well bucko, The Messiah &
> The Keystone Kops may not have noticedthis but you can bet Israel did.
>
> Irish Mike


Let's spend a minute thinking about the logic of Mike:

It is Obama's fault for Iran putting this satellite into space two weeks
into his administration, because he has somehow "gutted America's
defenses." Yet the 9/11 attacks were not Bush's fault even though they
occurred 8 months into his administration because they were a consequence
of the failures of the prior administration.

Now that's the kind of logical thinking that can only be a product of the
Republican Party! Long live the GOP!

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Date: 03 Feb 2009 11:22:50
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: Iran launches its first satellite into space using home-made technology.
> Perfect timing. Obama guts America's defenses and Iran puts a satellite in
> space. I think al queada should hire Obama as their minister of

How in the fuck did Obama gut our defenses in 2 weeks on the job? Do you
even believe your own bullshit?

Dean

"When you respond to me, you are responding to a troll." - Paul Popinjay
1/16/2009

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