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Date: 07 Jan 2009 20:10:14
From: Arlo-Payne
Subject: If Obama screws with Social Security
If Obama trys to screw with reducing SS entitlements he will soon have a
huge voting block turn against him. The one thing that could kill the
dems control of the goverment is any reduction of SS at this present time.
One can not even begin to consider cutting back ss entitlements when Wall
Street was given billions and others are promised trillions.

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Date: 08 Jan 2009 03:23:45
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security
On Jan 7 2009 9:10 PM, Arlo-Payne wrote:

> If Obama trys to screw with reducing SS entitlements he will soon have a
> huge voting block turn against him. The one thing that could kill the
> dems control of the goverment is any reduction of SS at this present time.
> One can not even begin to consider cutting back ss entitlements when Wall
> Street was given billions and others are promised trillions.

This is peanuts compared to the new press scam heading out the door. You
should concentrate on seeking out the truth. And on telling everyone how
smart you are and that you didn't really die.

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Date: 07 Jan 2009 20:05:35
From: Clave
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security
"Arlo-Payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:6uag36xt9e.ln2@recgroups.com...
> If Obama trys to screw with reducing SS entitlements he will soon have a
> huge voting block turn against him. The one thing that could kill the
> dems control of the goverment is any reduction of SS at this present time.
> One can not even begin to consider cutting back ss entitlements when Wall
> Street was given billions and others are promised trillions.

What makes you think he's going to?

Jim




  
Date: 08 Jan 2009 09:58:04
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security
On Jan 8, 9:40=A0am, "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> "BillB" <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:3al9l.130805$sC4.106222@newsfe04.iad...
>
>
>
> > And you [Clave] wonder why you were runner-up in the RGP creep contest?
>
> What's with this "runner up" shit?

IGotAFeelingIKnowWhoTheWinnerIz

- Bob T.


  
Date: 07 Jan 2009 22:18:47
From: DELETETHIS
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security
he said so today

Clave wrote:
> "Arlo-Payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6uag36xt9e.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> If Obama trys to screw with reducing SS entitlements he will soon have a
>> huge voting block turn against him. The one thing that could kill the
>> dems control of the goverment is any reduction of SS at this present time.
>> One can not even begin to consider cutting back ss entitlements when Wall
>> Street was given billions and others are promised trillions.
>
> What makes you think he's going to?
>
> Jim
>
>


   
Date: 07 Jan 2009 20:19:43
From: Clave
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security
"DELETETHIS" <"minus200(DELETETHIS)"@bellsouth.net > wrote in message
news:95f9l.1054$aO6.666@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> he said so today

Missed that. Got a cite?

Jim



> Clave wrote:
>> "Arlo-Payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:6uag36xt9e.ln2@recgroups.com...
>>> If Obama trys to screw with reducing SS entitlements he will soon have a
>>> huge voting block turn against him. The one thing that could kill the
>>> dems control of the goverment is any reduction of SS at this present
>>> time.
>>> One can not even begin to consider cutting back ss entitlements when
>>> Wall
>>> Street was given billions and others are promised trillions.
>>
>> What makes you think he's going to?
>>
>> Jim
>>



    
Date: 07 Jan 2009 20:43:08
From: BillB
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
news:4umdnW-XLqJD4_jUnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...

> Missed that. Got a cite?

http://news.google.com




     
Date: 07 Jan 2009 20:56:37
From: Clave
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security
"BillB" <bogus@shaw1.ca > wrote in message
news:wvf9l.66986$em5.57986@newsfe22.iad...
>
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:4umdnW-XLqJD4_jUnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>
>> Missed that. Got a cite?
>
> http://news.google.com

Do you think that's clever? If you don't have one, just say so.

Jim




      
Date: 07 Jan 2009 21:05:26
From: BillB
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
news:3MadnaBrWpwYGvjUnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...

>> http://news.google.com
>
> Do you think that's clever? If you don't have one, just say so.

Do you need me to type "obama social security" in the search box for you
too??
I can tolerate creepy, but not lazy!





       
Date: 07 Jan 2009 21:10:57
From: Clave
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security
"BillB" <bogus@shaw1.ca > wrote in message
news:rQf9l.66989$em5.7664@newsfe22.iad...
>
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:3MadnaBrWpwYGvjUnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>
>>> http://news.google.com
>>
>> Do you think that's clever? If you don't have one, just say so.
>
> Do you need me to type "obama social security" in the search box for you
> too??
> I can tolerate creepy, but not lazy!

So why, then, are you being so lazy?

Either he said what y'all are claiming he said (which would be a lot easier
for you to find than me, since you supposedly know exactly what he said), or
you're trying to hide the fact that he didn't.

Just for future reference, it's a HUGE red flag when a wingnut claims a
Democrat has said something and is then unwilling to provide a link to a
credible source.

It usually turns out that it's something they heard some fat junkie radio
host or blustering Fox Noise bobblehead say that has no basis in fact.

Jim




        
Date: 07 Jan 2009 21:19:38
From: BillB
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
news:eu-dncx66sh8F_jUnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...

> Either he said what y'all are claiming he said (which would be a lot
> easier for you to find than me, since you supposedly know exactly what he
> said), or you're trying to hide the fact that he didn't.

I didn't claim anything. I gave you a link to a zillion news stories on the
topic. And DELETETHIS or Arlo are "wingnuts". Don't be a creep.




         
Date: 07 Jan 2009 21:28:40
From: Clave
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security
"BillB" <bogus@shaw1.ca > wrote in message
news:L1g9l.66993$em5.28021@newsfe22.iad...
>
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:eu-dncx66sh8F_jUnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>
>> Either he said what y'all are claiming he said (which would be a lot
>> easier for you to find than me, since you supposedly know exactly what he
>> said), or you're trying to hide the fact that he didn't.
>
> I didn't claim anything. I gave you a link to a zillion news stories on
> the topic. And DELETETHIS or Arlo are "wingnuts". Don't be a creep.

Nothing creepy about me not wanting drill into everything he's said about SS
trying to find a quote of him saying something I don't even know he's really
said.

Someone who cares should sit you down and explain a few things about
logic -- like "proving a negative" and "burden of proof", because you
really, really suck at this right now.

Jim




          
Date: 08 Jan 2009 02:20:38
From: bub
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:28:40 -0800, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote:
.
>
>Nothing creepy about me not wanting drill into everything he's said about SS
>trying to find a quote of him saying something I don't even know he's really
>said.
>
>Someone who cares should sit you down and explain a few things about
>logic -- like "proving a negative" and "burden of proof", because you
>really, really suck at this right now.
>
>Jim
>
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090107/D95IJHTO0.html

Obama taps spending watchdog, eyes Social Security




Jan 7, 6:17 PM (ET)

By JENNIFER LOVEN

WASHINGTON (AP) - Pointing with concern to "red ink as far as the eye
can see," President-elect Barack Obama pledged Wednesday to tackle
out-of-control Social Security and Medicare spending and named a
special watchdog to clamp down on other federal programs - even as he
campaigned anew to spend the largest pile of taxpayer money in history
to revive the sinking economy



           
Date: 08 Jan 2009 01:00:49
From: Clave
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security
"bub" <bub@plotuss.com > wrote in message
news:vndbm4dmpdca7htmu9b8nc4k0hf30hmk39@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:28:40 -0800, "Clave"
> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
> .
>>
>>Nothing creepy about me not wanting drill into everything he's said about
>>SS
>>trying to find a quote of him saying something I don't even know he's
>>really
>>said.
>>
>>Someone who cares should sit you down and explain a few things about
>>logic -- like "proving a negative" and "burden of proof", because you
>>really, really suck at this right now.
>>
>>Jim
>>
> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090107/D95IJHTO0.html
>
> Obama taps spending watchdog, eyes Social Security

Why thank you.

Arlo, DELETETHIS, Bill, would that have been so fucking hard for you
god-damned bozos?

Anyway, I see the article is quite long on partial quotes and inference, and
quite short on the kind of policy statements the OP was worried about.

For all anyone knows now, he may be planning the sanity checks we've all
been expecting for some time -- removing the income cap (likely, IMO), and
raising the full retirement age (inevitable, IMO).

I see no mention of reducing payments, which is pretty much as I expected.

Jim




            
Date: 08 Jan 2009 03:09:50
From: BillB
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
news:BMidnYPqUsVRXfjUnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...

> Arlo, DELETETHIS, Bill, would that have been so fucking hard for you
> god-damned bozos?

Would it have been so fucking hard for you to type "obama social security"
into the google news search box as I suggested? No, of course not, but you
had your heart set on being a whiny bitch. Had you taken my advice, here's
what you would have come up with:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=obama+social+security&btnG=Search+News

And you wonder why you were runner-up in the RGP creep contest?




             
Date: 08 Jan 2009 09:40:03
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security
"BillB" <bogus@shaw1.ca > wrote in message
news:3al9l.130805$sC4.106222@newsfe04.iad...
>

>
> And you [Clave] wonder why you were runner-up in the RGP creep contest?


What's with this "runner up" shit?




          
Date: 07 Jan 2009 21:34:48
From: BillB
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
news:UvudnTPhu7eVEvjUnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...

> Someone who cares should sit you down and explain a few things about
> logic -- like "proving a negative" and "burden of proof", because you
> really, really suck at this right now.

How fucking stupid are you? Obama was talking about social security today.
If you want to know exactly what he said, type it into google news and read
*one* of the zillions of articles on the topic. Why do you need someone to
"provide a link" to a current event that is all over the news? Are you
retarded?




           
Date: 07 Jan 2009 21:53:18
From: Clave
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security
"BillB" <bogus@shaw1.ca > wrote in message
news:Zfg9l.66996$em5.55709@newsfe22.iad...
>
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:UvudnTPhu7eVEvjUnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>
>> Someone who cares should sit you down and explain a few things about
>> logic -- like "proving a negative" and "burden of proof", because you
>> really, really suck at this right now.
>
> How fucking stupid are you? Obama was talking about social security today.

What is your fucking problem? I want to know exactly what he said that set
Arlo and DELETETHIS off in the first place. I'm not keen to just go
spelunking and guess, they don't seem too interested in telling me, and
you're certainly no fucking help.

So far there's no reason to believe that he ever really said anything like
what was claimed.

Jim




            
Date: 07 Jan 2009 21:58:02
From: BillB
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
news:3eWdncSY3uJTCfjUnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...

> What is your fucking problem? I want to know exactly what he said that
> set Arlo and DELETETHIS off in the first place. I'm not keen to just go
> spelunking and guess, they don't seem too interested in telling me, and
> you're certainly no fucking help.
>
> So far there's no reason to believe that he ever really said anything like
> what was claimed.

I'll take that as a yes.




             
Date: 07 Jan 2009 22:42:53
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security
"BillB" <bogus@shaw1.ca > wrote in message
news:LBg9l.66997$em5.12283@newsfe22.iad...
>
>
> I'll take that as a yes.


Bill, I hope you're enjoying your time spent with Clave. Ain't he special?!
lol





              
Date: 07 Jan 2009 23:16:46
From: BillB
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security

"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:Wfh9l.13184$YU2.4854@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com...

> Bill, I hope you're enjoying your time spent with Clave. Ain't he
> special?! lol

He's creeping me out!




               
Date: 07 Jan 2009 23:21:44
From: Clave
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security
"BillB" <bogus@shaw1.ca > wrote in message
news:zLh9l.66998$em5.61212@newsfe22.iad...
>
> "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:Wfh9l.13184$YU2.4854@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
>> Bill, I hope you're enjoying your time spent with Clave. Ain't he
>> special?! lol
>
> He's creeping me out!

BOO!




              
Date: 07 Jan 2009 23:02:22
From: Clave
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:Wfh9l.13184$YU2.4854@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com...
> "BillB" <bogus@shaw1.ca> wrote in message
> news:LBg9l.66997$em5.12283@newsfe22.iad...
>>
>>
>> I'll take that as a yes.
>
>
> Bill, I hope you're enjoying your time spent with Clave...

Prolly is...it doesn't seem to take much to amuse him tonight...

Jim




             
Date: 07 Jan 2009 22:09:48
From: Clave
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security
"BillB" <bogus@shaw1.ca > wrote in message
news:LBg9l.66997$em5.12283@newsfe22.iad...
>
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:3eWdncSY3uJTCfjUnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>
>> What is your fucking problem? I want to know exactly what he said that
>> set Arlo and DELETETHIS off in the first place. I'm not keen to just go
>> spelunking and guess, they don't seem too interested in telling me, and
>> you're certainly no fucking help.
>>
>> So far there's no reason to believe that he ever really said anything
>> like what was claimed.
>
> I'll take that as a yes.

Yes to what?

Yes, that I dare to have the unmitigated *gall* to politely ask someone why
they think what they think? (On Usenet of all places...such barbarism...)

Yes, that no one seems interested (or more likely able) to tell me?

Yes, that there's been no reason presented to believe that Obama's said what
is being alleged?

You can take that as yes to all of them.

Jim




         
Date: 07 Jan 2009 21:27:34
From: BillB
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security

"BillB" <bogus@shaw1.ca > wrote in message
news:L1g9l.66993$em5.28021@newsfe22.iad...

>And DELETETHIS and Arlo are *not* "wingnuts".




          
Date: 07 Jan 2009 21:33:18
From: Clave
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security
"BillB" <bogus@shaw1.ca > wrote in message
news:b9g9l.66995$em5.55100@newsfe22.iad...
>
> "BillB" <bogus@shaw1.ca> wrote in message
> news:L1g9l.66993$em5.28021@newsfe22.iad...
>
>>And DELETETHIS and Arlo are *not* "wingnuts".

I don't fucking care. As long as what they're claiming is unsourced,
there's no reason to believe it.

Jim




           
Date: 08 Jan 2009 08:54:17
From: Kyle T. Jones
Subject: Re: If Obama screws with Social Security
Clave, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh, 1/7/2009 11:33 PM
or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on Usenet:
> "BillB" <bogus@shaw1.ca> wrote in message
> news:b9g9l.66995$em5.55100@newsfe22.iad...
>> "BillB" <bogus@shaw1.ca> wrote in message
>> news:L1g9l.66993$em5.28021@newsfe22.iad...
>>
>>> And DELETETHIS and Arlo are *not* "wingnuts".
>
> I don't fucking care. As long as what they're claiming is unsourced,
> there's no reason to believe it.
>
> Jim
>
>

Cripes, dewd, you've got the five-year-old act down COLD!

Cheers.