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Date: 10 Dec 2008 12:37:23
From: Lute
Subject: How much do PRO poker players toke?
How much do PRO poker players toke?

I know that some months ago, we beat to death the topic of dealer
tips. Simply put, players tip what (if any) they wish, and aside from
hard feelings and cold stares, there is no penalty for not toking (and
presumably no material reward for doing so).

But never having (knowingly) seen a professional poker player in a
cash game, I am just wondering. Since these guys are playing poker
for a living, every tip they give reduces their table stake, and this
in turn could work against their profits.

Example, I bought in for $50, lost down to about $40, then won a pot,
bringing me to $80, tipped $4 (I'm down to $76 now), and then went all
in the next hand, winning that pot heads up.

I got $76 from my one caller (plus blinds and folded bets), but I
could have gotten $80 from him. So my $4 tip turned into an $8
reduction in my stack.

Do pro players think along these lines? I'm sure that for them, the
$8 translates into $800 or more, hardly chump change even for a fat
bankroll.

Do they tip dealers from their wallet, or from their stack? More to
the point, since tips are an avoidable expense, why would they tip at
all (except maybe as an exceptional dealer leaves the table)?

For my part, I tip waitresses from my wallet, not my stack. I tip
dealers directly from a won pot. But then I'm a hobbyist, not a pro.




 
Date: 14 Dec 2008 00:43:43
From: ramashiva
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?
On Dec 11, 12:32=A0pm, Lute <lutelat...@msn.com > wrote:
> On Dec 11, 5:18=A0am, Maverick <bretr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What kinda donkey are you to toke $4?
>
> This was a one-time thing, with special circumstances.
> I do tip regularly, but not small pots, and rarely more than $1,
> sometimes 2 for a monster pot.
>
> >=A0Do you really think you have
> > that type of edge over your opponents? =A0
>
> Yes, I do :)
>
> > I don't care who you are,
>
> Then be that way. =A0So then I don't care who you are either.

You should. Maverick is the ultimate RGP legend. He is my true hero
and role model. My ultimate ambition in life is to be his
grasshopper.


William Coleman (ramashiva)


 
Date: 13 Dec 2008 22:48:34
From: Maverick
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?
On Dec 11, 8:45=EF=BF=BDam, "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net >
wrote:
> It's so nice to have you home at RGP for the holidays! =EF=BF=BDWhat kind=
a Christmas
> presents did you bring us?
>
> -Paul Popinjay

Hey, I only stopped by to take a piss. RGP is like a porta potty. I
get to come here and pee on all the RGPers floating around the blue
water. I'd give everyone a christmas present, but it won't be ready
until an hour or so after I get up in the morning.


 
Date: 11 Dec 2008 12:32:55
From: Lute
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?
On Dec 11, 5:18=A0am, Maverick <bretr...@gmail.com > wrote:

> What kinda donkey are you to toke $4?

This was a one-time thing, with special circumstances.
I do tip regularly, but not small pots, and rarely more than $1,
sometimes 2 for a monster pot.

>=A0Do you really think you have
> that type of edge over your opponents? =A0

Yes, I do :)

> I don't care who you are,

Then be that way. So then I don't care who you are either. How do
you like them nuts? Yeah, I thought so. :)

> there's no way you'll beat a game long term when you toke $4 on an $80
> win every time.

Hmmm. Wise words. Thank you :) LOL (at myself).




 
Date: 11 Dec 2008 02:18:25
From: Maverick
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?
On Dec 10, 12:37=EF=BF=BDpm, Lute <lutelat...@msn.com > wrote:
> How much do PRO poker players toke?

True pros tip nothing. They know there is no 401K, no pension, and no
empathy for a busted pro, so any real pro protects any edge they
have. There's one guy at Bellagio who has played daily since it's
opening and he's never toked a single dollar.

> I know that some months ago, we beat to death the topic of dealer
> tips. =EF=BF=BDSimply put, players tip what (if any) they wish, and aside=
from
> hard feelings and cold stares, there is no penalty for not toking (and
> presumably no material reward for doing so).

Oh you stiff a dealer a few times and you'll get more than a stare.
I've been dealt out, dealt around, cards thrown at me by the dealer,
name called, had a dealer threaten to kill a jackpot, had a dealer try
to outright cheat me by making the wrong decision to the point even my
opponenent and the rest of the table had to object. And, these aren't
just a few dealers...I haven't met a dealer yet that won't fall off
the wagon and throw a tizzy if they are getting stiffed by the table.
No dealer is immune.

> But never having (knowingly) seen a professional poker player in a
> cash game, I am just wondering. =EF=BF=BDSince these guys are playing pok=
er
> for a living, every tip they give reduces their table stake, and this
> in turn could work against their profits.

You have probably never seen a professional poker player. Anyone who
is truly gifted enough to beat the game is also gifted enough to make
a living in the real world and also intelligent enough to realize it's
easier and much less risk having a job.

>
> Example, I bought in for $50, lost down to about $40, then won a pot,
> bringing me to $80, tipped $4 (I'm down to $76 now), and then went all
> in the next hand, winning that pot heads up.

What kinda donkey are you to toke $4? Do you really think you have
that type of edge over your opponents? I don't care who you are,
there's no way you'll beat a game long term when you toke $4 on an $80
win every time.

> Do they tip dealers from their wallet, or from their stack? =EF=BF=BD

I give them tokes of inspirational value...such as "get an education
and a real job so when you call yourself a professional, you aren't
just bullshitting yourself."

More to
> the point, since tips are an avoidable expense, why would they tip at
> all (except maybe as an exceptional dealer leaves the table)?

In some very small rooms, the entire table will gang up on you if you
don't toke.

> For my part, I tip waitresses from my wallet, not my stack. =EF=BF=BD

A real pro brings his own drinks not only avoiding the toke, but also
avoiding the eyedrops or whatever other additives might find their way
in...which is a safe precaution for those subject to random drug tests
at their job .


  
Date: 11 Dec 2008 08:45:55
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?
"Maverick" <bretroth@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:d7156770-6757-4c83-a054-

> A real pro brings his own drinks not only avoiding the toke, but also
> avoiding the eyedrops or whatever other additives might find their way
> in...which is a safe precaution for those subject to random drug tests
> at their job .


Holy shit, Maverick, where've you been? RGP ain't the same without you.
I've missed you. I'm sure Razzo has missed you. And I'm also sure Patti
Beattles has missed you. We've ALL missed you!

It's so nice to have you home at RGP for the holidays! What kinda Christmas
presents did you bring us?

-Paul Popinjay





 
Date: 10 Dec 2008 22:49:58
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?
Go to the RGP archives and type in Tipping GCA and you'll see
numerous posts I've made on this subject. Meanwhile, here's a post
about pro's tipping.



A great number of professional poker players tip very little (in
comparision to others), or nothing at all. All one needs to do is the
math to understand why.

These players are in action 40-50 hours a week on the norm, many of
these hours in short handed games. Pro's are agressive players and in
short-handed games they will usually average at least 10 winning
hands
an hour, if not more.


These players are the nucleus for the games, the ones who start the
games and keep them going, allowing the dealers to earn. Both need to
co-exist and earn their money off those who play recreational poker.


Doing the math you'll understand if a professional at even $40-$80
levels were to tip every hand, they would be tipping about $80-$100 a
day, just to the dealers. Figure they play 250 days plus every year
and you'll see the amount of the tips add up to about 20K-25K a year,
if not more.


Add in the rake or the time they pay and you'll realize the nut to be
competitive is quite large from the beginning.


How many of you would be willing to 'tip' this money if it was saved
for one year and then dispersed? A player who earns about 50K a year
playing will realize he's better off with this extra 20-25K than
tipping it away.


Many higher stakes players get rolls of 50 cent pieces and tip with
them, while many others wait until the session is over and then tip a
couple or few dollars.


This is the way it is with the vast majority of professional cash
game
players. Go ahead and argue if you like, but I would really like
seeing how many of you would tip the 20K-25K or more if you had to do
it all at once? This is what the reality of tipping really is. The
pros keep the games going and both the dealers and the pros must rely
on the 'producers' to make a living.


Russ Georgiev


www.pokermafia.com












On Dec 10, 12:37=EF=BF=BDpm, Lute <lutelat...@msn.com > wrote:
> How much do PRO poker players toke?
>
> I know that some months ago, we beat to death the topic of dealer
> tips. =EF=BF=BDSimply put, players tip what (if any) they wish, and aside=
from
> hard feelings and cold stares, there is no penalty for not toking (and
> presumably no material reward for doing so).
>
> But never having (knowingly) seen a professional poker player in a
> cash game, I am just wondering. =EF=BF=BDSince these guys are playing pok=
er
> for a living, every tip they give reduces their table stake, and this
> in turn could work against their profits.
>
> Example, I bought in for $50, lost down to about $40, then won a pot,
> bringing me to $80, tipped $4 (I'm down to $76 now), and then went all
> in the next hand, winning that pot heads up.
>
> I got $76 from my one caller (plus blinds and folded bets), but I
> could have gotten $80 from him. =EF=BF=BDSo my $4 tip turned into an $8
> reduction in my stack.
>
> Do pro players think along these lines? =EF=BF=BDI'm sure that for them, =
the
> $8 translates into $800 or more, hardly chump change even for a fat
> bankroll.
>
> Do they tip dealers from their wallet, or from their stack? =EF=BF=BDMore=
to
> the point, since tips are an avoidable expense, why would they tip at
> all (except maybe as an exceptional dealer leaves the table)?
>
> For my part, I tip waitresses from my wallet, not my stack. =EF=BF=BDI ti=
p
> dealers directly from a won pot. =EF=BF=BDBut then I'm a hobbyist, not a =
pro.



 
Date: 10 Dec 2008 20:56:08
From: RAZZO RUSS SUCK THE BIG ONE
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?
ONE DOLLAR IF IT'S NOT LESS THAN FIVE PERCENT OF THE PROFIT. OTHERWISE NADA




On Dec 10 2008 3:37 PM, Lute wrote:

> How much do PRO poker players toke?
>
> I know that some months ago, we beat to death the topic of dealer
> tips. Simply put, players tip what (if any) they wish, and aside from
> hard feelings and cold stares, there is no penalty for not toking (and
> presumably no material reward for doing so).
>
> But never having (knowingly) seen a professional poker player in a
> cash game, I am just wondering. Since these guys are playing poker
> for a living, every tip they give reduces their table stake, and this
> in turn could work against their profits.
>
> Example, I bought in for $50, lost down to about $40, then won a pot,
> bringing me to $80, tipped $4 (I'm down to $76 now), and then went all
> in the next hand, winning that pot heads up.
>
> I got $76 from my one caller (plus blinds and folded bets), but I
> could have gotten $80 from him. So my $4 tip turned into an $8
> reduction in my stack.
>
> Do pro players think along these lines? I'm sure that for them, the
> $8 translates into $800 or more, hardly chump change even for a fat
> bankroll.
>
> Do they tip dealers from their wallet, or from their stack? More to
> the point, since tips are an avoidable expense, why would they tip at
> all (except maybe as an exceptional dealer leaves the table)?
>
> For my part, I tip waitresses from my wallet, not my stack. I tip
> dealers directly from a won pot. But then I'm a hobbyist, not a pro.


BEND OVER RAZZO RUSS

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Date: 11 Dec 2008 00:16:31
From: Mark Rafn
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?
In article <6e21d515-7167-4026-8e91-a98f5c286ba7@t39g2000prh.googlegroups.com >,
Lute <lutelatner@msn.com > wrote:
>How much do PRO poker players toke?

This varies widely. There are lots of different kinds of pro players.
There's nothing magic about labelling yourself "pro" - it's the same game for
everybody.

>tips. Simply put, players tip what (if any) they wish, and aside from
>hard feelings and cold stares, there is no penalty for not toking (and
>presumably no material reward for doing so).

True for pros as well, of course.

>Since these guys are playing poker for a living, every tip they give reduces
>their table stake, and this in turn could work against their profits.

True for non-pros as well, of course.

>Do pro players think along these lines? I'm sure that for them, the
>$8 translates into $800 or more, hardly chump change even for a fat
>bankroll.

Nobody, pros or not, tips $400 for a pot. That $8 translates into $8 for the
pro, but he's generally in a much bigger game, and $8 out of $5000 is just
less important than $8 out of $100.

>Do they tip dealers from their wallet, or from their stack?

Stack, almost always. But you can add to your stack anytime, and many pros
(and amateurs) do so when they're shorter than their comfort level.

>More to the point, since tips are an avoidable expense, why would they tip
>at all (except maybe as an exceptional dealer leaves the table)?

To keep the game friendly, and to stay on good terms with the dealers, staff,
and other players. The same as non-pros.

Some pros have an added reason, which is that they make money from their fame,
and it's harder to get TV and book gigs if you're seen as a jerk. Not
impossible, of course...

>For my part, I tip waitresses from my wallet, not my stack. I tip
>dealers directly from a won pot. But then I'm a hobbyist, not a pro.

I tip everyone from my stack, but I don't generally play short-stacked so it
doesn't matter. If I have enough chips for the game, a tip doesn't change
that. If a tip makes any material difference to my stack, it's time to add on
anyway.
--
Mark Rafn dagon@dagon.net <http://www.dagon.net/ >


 
Date: 10 Dec 2008 15:31:57
From: phlash74
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?
On Dec 10, 12:37=A0pm, Lute <lutelat...@msn.com > wrote:
> How much do PRO poker players toke?
>
> I know that some months ago, we beat to death the topic of dealer
> tips. =A0Simply put, players tip what (if any) they wish, and aside from
> hard feelings and cold stares, there is no penalty for not toking (and
> presumably no material reward for doing so).
>
> But never having (knowingly) seen a professional poker player in a
> cash game, I am just wondering. =A0Since these guys are playing poker
> for a living, every tip they give reduces their table stake, and this
> in turn could work against their profits.
>
> Example, I bought in for $50, lost down to about $40, then won a pot,
> bringing me to $80, tipped $4 (I'm down to $76 now), and then went all
> in the next hand, winning that pot heads up.
>
> I got $76 from my one caller (plus blinds and folded bets), but I
> could have gotten $80 from him. =A0So my $4 tip turned into an $8
> reduction in my stack.
>
> Do pro players think along these lines? =A0I'm sure that for them, the
> $8 translates into $800 or more, hardly chump change even for a fat
> bankroll.
>
> Do they tip dealers from their wallet, or from their stack? =A0More to
> the point, since tips are an avoidable expense, why would they tip at
> all (except maybe as an exceptional dealer leaves the table)?
>
> For my part, I tip waitresses from my wallet, not my stack. =A0I tip
> dealers directly from a won pot. =A0But then I'm a hobbyist, not a pro.


In another thread awhile back, someone asked what the red chips on HSP
were for, since they were never put into a pot. Turned out they were
$5 chips that the players were using to tip the waitresses. I would
imagine something similar might be done with $1 chips in a game that
doesn't use them (i.e. $10/$20 and up limit, or $5/$10 and up NL),
where it would be understood that the dollar chips weren't in play.
It'd be difficult for a pro to make a living at smaller stakes, so
this probably wouldn't be an issue for them the way it affected you in
your story. BTW - $4 tip? Are you nuts? $1 MAX in any pot at those
stakes.

Michael


 
Date: 10 Dec 2008 14:44:44
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?
On Dec 10 2008 2:37 PM, Lute wrote:

>
> Example, I bought in for $50, lost down to about $40, then won a pot,
> bringing me to $80, tipped $4 (I'm down to $76 now

That $4 tip was insane. Just tip $1.

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 13:32:47
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?
> For my part, I tip waitresses from my wallet, not my stack. I tip
> dealers directly from a won pot. But then I'm a hobbyist, not a pro.

From what i understand they do not tip any more or less than what a
typical player will tip. A buck or 2 a hand which in terms of their roll
is nothing they are losing sleep over.

I play LHE so it is not as directly conflicting for me. An extra buck or
2 is not going to mean the difference between making more or less in the
next few hands.

i also understand that sometimes everyone that is at a high limit table
will tip the dealers for the whole table at the end of each dealers shift.

I have no personal knowledge of that, but I have heard that discussed
before.

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nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
========
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 14:45:23
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?
"John_Brian_K" <a7ecb57@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:v4p516x088.ln2@recgroups.com...

>
> From what i understand they do not tip any more or less than what a
> typical player will tip. A buck or 2 a hand which in terms of their roll
> is nothing they are losing sleep over.
>
> I play LHE so it is not as directly conflicting for me. An extra buck or
> 2 is not going to mean the difference between making more or less in the
> next few hands.
>


Clueless, fucking, idiot.




   
Date: 10 Dec 2008 18:14:39
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?
> Clueless, fucking, idiot.

o0o

And you expect me to take you seriously?

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 22:34:12
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?
"John_Brian_K" <a7ecb57@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:fl9616x4qa.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> Clueless, fucking, idiot.
>
> o0o
>
> And you expect me to take you seriously?
>


Yes, I do. Seriously.





     
Date: 10 Dec 2008 22:48:25
From: Clave
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:Tv20l.9659$yr3.5423@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
> "John_Brian_K" <a7ecb57@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:fl9616x4qa.ln2@recgroups.com...
>>> Clueless, fucking, idiot.
>>
>> o0o
>>
>> And you expect me to take you seriously?
>>
>
>
> Yes, I do. Seriously.

JBK, WTF did you expect him to say?

Jim




   
Date: 10 Dec 2008 16:53:50
From: Howard Beale
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?
On Dec 10 2008 3:45 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:

> "John_Brian_K" <a7ecb57@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:v4p516x088.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> >
> > From what i understand they do not tip any more or less than what a
> > typical player will tip. A buck or 2 a hand which in terms of their roll
> > is nothing they are losing sleep over.
> >
> > I play LHE so it is not as directly conflicting for me. An extra buck or
> > 2 is not going to mean the difference between making more or less in the
> > next few hands.
> >
>
>
> Clueless, fucking, idiot.


Oh, c'mon PP, be nice!

The answer, JBK, is 'as little as possible'. Those tips add up to big
money for a mid-stakes player. Consider: If you tip only $1/hand and you
average a modest 3 hands/hr and play a full-time 2,000 hrs/yr that's
$6,000. But sometimes it's more than $1. Win a humongous pot and it can
go to $5 for the 'pro' and I've seen $20 from the recs. Then there's the
floor and the wait staff. I don't want to even think about what I tip but
I know it's north of $10,000/yr and if I could get away w/o tipping I
would but I can't. Everybody I tip deserves the money. And one of the
biggest mistakes I've ever made is making friends w/ many of the dealers.

BTW: Almost all of the dealers appreciate my $1 tip but some feel
'entitled' to more if the pots' big. I never let it bother me if the
dealer makes a face but sometimes I'll talk to him/her later and explain
that it's people like me who keep the games, and therefor their job, going
so that (s)he can make a living in the first place.


Howard Beale

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Date: 11 Dec 2008 20:19:39
From: Andyfothershops
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?

"Howard Beale" <a1695@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:ut4616xb5a.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 10 2008 3:45 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
>
>> "John_Brian_K" <a7ecb57@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:v4p516x088.ln2@recgroups.com...
>>
>> >
>> > From what i understand they do not tip any more or less than what a
>> > typical player will tip. A buck or 2 a hand which in terms of their
>> > roll
>> > is nothing they are losing sleep over.
>> >
>> > I play LHE so it is not as directly conflicting for me. An extra buck
>> > or
>> > 2 is not going to mean the difference between making more or less in
>> > the
>> > next few hands.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Clueless, fucking, idiot.
>
>
> Oh, c'mon PP, be nice!
>
> The answer, JBK, is 'as little as possible'. Those tips add up to big
> money for a mid-stakes player. Consider: If you tip only $1/hand and you
> average a modest 3 hands/hr and play a full-time 2,000 hrs/yr that's
> $6,000. But sometimes it's more than $1. Win a humongous pot and it can
> go to $5 for the 'pro' and I've seen $20 from the recs. Then there's the
> floor and the wait staff. I don't want to even think about what I tip but
> I know it's north of $10,000/yr and if I could get away w/o tipping I
> would but I can't. Everybody I tip deserves the money. And one of the
> biggest mistakes I've ever made is making friends w/ many of the dealers.
>
> BTW: Almost all of the dealers appreciate my $1 tip but some feel
> 'entitled' to more if the pots' big. I never let it bother me if the
> dealer makes a face but sometimes I'll talk to him/her later and explain
> that it's people like me who keep the games, and therefor their job, going
> so that (s)he can make a living in the first place.
>
>
> Howard Beale
>
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>
>


What's all tis tipping business?

A




     
Date: 11 Dec 2008 12:39:46
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?
On Dec 11 2008 3:19 PM, Andyfothershops wrote:

> "Howard Beale" <a1695@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ut4616xb5a.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Dec 10 2008 3:45 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
> >
> >> "John_Brian_K" <a7ecb57@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:v4p516x088.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >>
> >> >
> >> > From what i understand they do not tip any more or less than what a
> >> > typical player will tip. A buck or 2 a hand which in terms of their
> >> > roll
> >> > is nothing they are losing sleep over.
> >> >
> >> > I play LHE so it is not as directly conflicting for me. An extra buck
> >> > or
> >> > 2 is not going to mean the difference between making more or less in
> >> > the
> >> > next few hands.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Clueless, fucking, idiot.
> >
> >
> > Oh, c'mon PP, be nice!
> >
> > The answer, JBK, is 'as little as possible'. Those tips add up to big
> > money for a mid-stakes player. Consider: If you tip only $1/hand and you
> > average a modest 3 hands/hr and play a full-time 2,000 hrs/yr that's
> > $6,000. But sometimes it's more than $1. Win a humongous pot and it can
> > go to $5 for the 'pro' and I've seen $20 from the recs. Then there's the
> > floor and the wait staff. I don't want to even think about what I tip but
> > I know it's north of $10,000/yr and if I could get away w/o tipping I
> > would but I can't. Everybody I tip deserves the money. And one of the
> > biggest mistakes I've ever made is making friends w/ many of the dealers.
> >
> > BTW: Almost all of the dealers appreciate my $1 tip but some feel
> > 'entitled' to more if the pots' big. I never let it bother me if the
> > dealer makes a face but sometimes I'll talk to him/her later and explain
> > that it's people like me who keep the games, and therefor their job, going
> > so that (s)he can make a living in the first place.
> >
> >
> > Howard Beale
> >
> What's all tis tipping business?
Its what we do instead of paying 3 pounds for rake
>
> A

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 19:06:32
From: Susan
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?

"Howard Beale" <a1695@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:ut4616xb5a.ln2@recgroups.com...

> BTW: Almost all of the dealers appreciate my $1 tip but some feel
> 'entitled' to more if the pots' big. I never let it bother me if the
> dealer makes a face but sometimes I'll talk to him/her later and explain
> that it's people like me who keep the games, and therefor their job, going
> so that (s)he can make a living in the first place.

Any dealer who ever made a face at me for a tip he didn't consider big
enough would never get another tip from me.




     
Date: 11 Dec 2008 04:49:19
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?
On Dec 10 2008 8:06 PM, Susan wrote:

> "Howard Beale" <a1695@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ut4616xb5a.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> > BTW: Almost all of the dealers appreciate my $1 tip but some feel
> > 'entitled' to more if the pots' big. I never let it bother me if the
> > dealer makes a face but sometimes I'll talk to him/her later and explain
> > that it's people like me who keep the games, and therefor their job, going
> > so that (s)he can make a living in the first place.
>
> Any dealer who ever made a face at me for a tip he didn't consider big
> enough would never get another tip from me.

somehow i think that by the time you got done with that dealer, nobody
would be tipping him ever again

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 17:31:08
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?

"Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net > wrote in message
news:qIZ%k.9544$vI1.1354@newsfe03.iad...
>

>
> Any dealer who ever made a face at me for a tip he didn't consider big
> enough would never get another tip from me.


That's for sure. But it really is necessary to toke and get along with the
dealers and people working there if you are a regular player. If you're a
"stiff", it will come back to haunt you, eventually.




     
Date: 10 Dec 2008 17:28:43
From: Howard Beale
Subject: Re: How much do PRO poker players toke?
On Dec 10 2008 6:06 PM, Susan wrote:

> "Howard Beale" <a1695@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ut4616xb5a.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> > BTW: Almost all of the dealers appreciate my $1 tip but some feel
> > 'entitled' to more if the pots' big. I never let it bother me if the
> > dealer makes a face but sometimes I'll talk to him/her later and explain
> > that it's people like me who keep the games, and therefor their job, going
> > so that (s)he can make a living in the first place.
>
> Any dealer who ever made a face at me for a tip he didn't consider big
> enough would never get another tip from me.

Meh, I'm very easy going. It's human nature. Some think, some don't.
Some feel this, some feel that. Plus I can't hold a grudge.

Btw: You should see what goes on at Gila River's 8-16! The action is
crazy and the people tip so much it's ludicrous. So one time I toss out
my $1 and the dealer leaves it sitting there. I reached out to take it
back and she insta-grabbed it and gave me a look. Her I didn't tip
anymore, lol, but I hardly ever go there anyway.


HB

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