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Date: 01 Jan 2009 11:31:40
From: Irish Mike
Subject: How many online tables to play
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I've heard about "famed online players" who play 40 S&Gs or 20 cash games at
once. I don't know how a person does that with any level of analysis or
insight. I've got a large monitor, new computer and the highest speed DSL
line AT&T offers and the most cash game tables I can play at one time, with
any level of skill, is four. Although I much prefer playing one or two.
And, I only play limit cash games which is easier because all the bets and
raises are in fixed amounts. I'd imagine it's much harder in NL cash games
where you need to "size" your bets. When I play three or four games at
once, I usually end up losing at one table which pretty much negates my
winnings at another table. So what ever I do manage to win, usually comes
from just one table.
I also think that, for some, the number of tables you play at once has
become a macho or ego thing. For example, I play in live cash games with a
guy who is definitely an action player. I've always considered him a fish
and have won a fair amount of money from him over the last couple of years
in live $10/$20 to $20/$40 cash games. Well he is always talking about
how he plays six $15/$30 online games at once. I told him I don't know how
any one can do that and really think about their play. I mean in live games
this guy seems barely able to manage one hand well.
In any case, I've decided that from now on, I'm going to stick to playing
one or two tables and leave the multi-tabling to "famed online players".
I'd be interested in hearing other's experience and success playing
multi-tables.
Irish Mike
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Date: 01 Jan 2009 19:39:04
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: How many online tables to play
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Irish Mike wrote:
> I'd be interested in hearing other's experience and success playing
> multi-tables.
>
> Irish Mike
>
>
I play 2 cash games at a time if I'm also working through a backlog of
e-mail, reading news, or surfing the web. I'm usually watching TV at
the same time. When I run out of things that require screen space or
critical reading, I go to 4.
Playing 4 at once there are three possible outcomes: winning on all
tables, losing on all tables, or mixed. Losing on all tables is
exceedingly rare - but when it happens it can hurt. In the other two
cases, multi-tabling is a big win.
Tournaments are strictly for channeling FPP into actual cash. I like
satellite events that take FPP and offer multiple seats to the real
event. Unregister from those to get T$. Then, the "double-or-nothing
(TURBO!)" events can turn the T$ into (more!) $$. Both of these types
of tournament can easily be 4-tabled (probably more, but 4 is enough for
me). For the same time commitment, I can play at lower stakes, against
worse players, and smooth out the results so I'm never far from my EV (I
"cash" in 2/3 to 3/4 of these tournaments, often only needing to
actually PLAY 3-4 hands per event. In cash games, I play *many* more
hands, and I sometimes get into a crunch where I don't have enough time
to think about *every* hand - but in these two particular types of
tournament it's not really necessary to think.
The bottom line for me is that multi-tabling decreases my variance and
does not decrease my EV (I have numbers to support this).
Playing live, I play at *much* higher stakes (still relatively small)
and there is so much more to pay attention to. It's possible that if I
played online for the same stakes that I play for live I might feel
uncomfortable 4-tabling. I don't think I'm likely to actually try that
experiment, but when I feel the urge to *stretch* a bit above the level
my bankroll can support (I maintain completely different bankrolls
online and live), I'm likely to cut back to 1 (maybe 2) tables at the
higher limit.
--
Kenneth Sloan KennethRSloan@gmail.com
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/
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Date: 01 Jan 2009 23:09:48
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: How many online tables to play
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Now why would you make an intelligent post that Irish Mike can't
comprehend? Mike still uses fingers to count to 10.
On Jan 1, 5:39=EF=BF=BDpm, Kenneth Sloan <KennethRSl...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Irish Mike wrote:
> > I'd be interested in hearing other's experience and success playing
> > multi-tables.
>
> > Irish Mike
>
> I play 2 cash games at a time if I'm also working through a backlog of
> e-mail, reading news, or surfing the web. =EF=BF=BDI'm usually watching T=
V at
> the same time. =EF=BF=BDWhen I run out of things that require screen spac=
e or
> critical reading, I go to 4.
>
> Playing 4 at once there are three possible outcomes: winning on all
> tables, losing on all tables, or mixed. =EF=BF=BDLosing on all tables is
> exceedingly rare - but when it happens it can hurt. =EF=BF=BDIn the other=
two
> cases, multi-tabling is a big win.
>
> Tournaments are strictly for channeling FPP into actual cash. =EF=BF=BDI =
like
> satellite events that take FPP and offer multiple seats to the real
> event. =EF=BF=BDUnregister from those to get T$. =EF=BF=BDThen, the "doub=
le-or-nothing
> (TURBO!)" events can turn the T$ into (more!) $$. =EF=BF=BDBoth of these =
types
> of tournament can easily be 4-tabled (probably more, but 4 is enough for
> me). =EF=BF=BDFor the same time commitment, I can play at lower stakes, a=
gainst
> worse players, and smooth out the results so I'm never far from my EV (I
> "cash" in 2/3 to 3/4 of these tournaments, often only needing to
> actually PLAY 3-4 hands per event. =EF=BF=BDIn cash games, I play *many* =
more
> hands, and I sometimes get into a crunch where I don't have enough time
> to think about *every* hand - but in these two particular types of
> tournament it's not really necessary to think.
>
> The bottom line for me is that multi-tabling decreases my variance and
> does not decrease my EV (I have numbers to support this).
>
> Playing live, I play at *much* higher stakes (still relatively small)
> and there is so much more to pay attention to. =EF=BF=BDIt's possible tha=
t if I
> played online for the same stakes that I play for live I might feel
> uncomfortable 4-tabling. =EF=BF=BDI don't think I'm likely to actually tr=
y that
> experiment, but when I feel the urge to *stretch* a bit above the level
> =EF=BF=BD my bankroll can support (I maintain completely different bankro=
lls
> online and live), I'm likely to cut back to 1 (maybe 2) tables at the
> higher limit.
>
> --
> Kenneth Sloan =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD=
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=
=BF=BD KennethRSl...@gmail.com
> Computer and Information Sciences =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD=
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD +1-205-932-2213
> University of Alabama at Birmingham =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=
=BD =EF=BF=BD FAX +1-205-934-5473
> Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=
=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDhttp://KennethRSloan.com/
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Date: 01 Jan 2009 22:09:39
From: Patti Beadles
Subject: Re: How many online tables to play
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I play four SNGs with relative ease. I know that I give up
some equity if I get very short-handed in all four at once,
but it's still a better hourly rate than playing fewer of
them.
I've done this for years.
-Patti
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Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA
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Date: 01 Jan 2009 12:07:36
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: How many online tables to play
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The game is money Irish Moron. Some of us have complicated computer
chips, unlike yours. Rakeback is gigantic in this process. Play small,
play certain hands and rakeback will make ALL your money.
On Jan 1, 8:31=EF=BF=BDam, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> I've heard about "famed online players" who play 40 S&Gs or 20 cash games=
at
> once. =EF=BF=BDI don't know how a person does that with any level of anal=
ysis or
> insight. =EF=BF=BDI've got a large monitor, new computer and the highest =
speed DSL
> line AT&T offers and the most cash game tables I can play at one time, wi=
th
> any level of skill, is four. =EF=BF=BDAlthough I much prefer playing one =
or two.
> And, I only play limit cash games which is easier because all the bets an=
d
> raises are in fixed amounts. =EF=BF=BDI'd imagine it's much harder in NL =
cash games
> where you need to "size" your bets. =EF=BF=BDWhen I play three or four ga=
mes at
> once, I usually end up losing at one table which pretty much negates my
> winnings at another table. =EF=BF=BDSo what ever I do manage to win, usua=
lly comes
> from just one table.
>
> I also think that, for some, the number of tables you play at once has
> become a macho or ego thing. =EF=BF=BDFor example, I play in live cash ga=
mes with a
> guy who is definitely an action player. =EF=BF=BDI've always considered h=
im a fish
> and have won a fair amount of money from him over the last couple of year=
s
> in live $10/$20 to =EF=BF=BD$20/$40 cash games. =EF=BF=BD Well he is alwa=
ys talking about
> how he plays six $15/$30 online games at once. =EF=BF=BDI told him I don'=
t know how
> any one can do that and really think about their play. =EF=BF=BDI mean in=
live games
> this guy seems barely able to manage one hand well.
>
> In any case, I've decided that from now on, I'm going to stick to playing
> one or two tables and leave the multi-tabling to "famed online players".
> I'd be interested in hearing other's experience and success playing
> multi-tables.
>
> Irish Mike
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Date: 01 Jan 2009 09:55:36
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: How many online tables to play
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On Jan 1 2009 10:31 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
I used to play 3 cash games (omaha8 PL), and always had a 30 dollar 3
table going . I would position the games in a square pattern and down size
the table to fit the screen . You can position the windows so that you can
always see your cards if you have them , if you cant downsize enough
Once in a while I would get myself in a spot where I would register in
something and it would pop up quickly and I would be in 5 games at once .
That was too much for me .
I have been messing around with FTP satellites and the other day I got in
5 of em at once and made it down to HU in 2 of em at once , as well as 3
handed in the other .
I blew the chip lead in all 3 and finished 2nd in all of em .
I agree that any more than 4 is a stretch
Do they still have DSL?
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Date: 01 Jan 2009 08:48:33
From: BillB
Subject: Re: How many online tables to play
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"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:Nd67l.4160$jZ1.2579@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com...
> I've heard about "famed online players" who play 40 S&Gs or 20 cash games
> at once. I don't know how a person does that with any level of analysis
> or insight. I've got a large monitor, new computer and the highest speed
> DSL line AT&T offers and the most cash game tables I can play at one time,
> with any level of skill, is four. Although I much prefer playing one or
> two. And, I only play limit cash games which is easier because all the
> bets and raises are in fixed amounts. I'd imagine it's much harder in NL
> cash games where you need to "size" your bets. When I play three or four
> games at once, I usually end up losing at one table which pretty much
> negates my winnings at another table. So what ever I do manage to win,
> usually comes from just one table.
>
> I also think that, for some, the number of tables you play at once has
> become a macho or ego thing. For example, I play in live cash games with
> a guy who is definitely an action player. I've always considered him a
> fish and have won a fair amount of money from him over the last couple of
> years in live $10/$20 to $20/$40 cash games. Well he is always talking
> about how he plays six $15/$30 online games at once. I told him I don't
> know how any one can do that and really think about their play. I mean in
> live games this guy seems barely able to manage one hand well.
>
> In any case, I've decided that from now on, I'm going to stick to playing
> one or two tables and leave the multi-tabling to "famed online players".
> I'd be interested in hearing other's experience and success playing
> multi-tables.
>
> Irish Mike
Depends what you play and how high you play I guess. I play 6 tables with
intermittent web surfing and RGP posting with no problems at all (like right
now). Honestly, two would put me to sleep. Playing 3 tables instead of 2
increases your hand count 50%. If you are a winning player, which I know you
are, I can't see how playing 1 more table is going to degrade your game
enough that you don't end up with more net profit in the end when you play
50% more hands. I'd try three if I were you. Each table you add beyond that
has diminishing returns percentage-wise, but you can make almost
$500-$1000/mo in fpps playing 6 tables, which is significant if you play low
stakes like me.
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Date: 01 Jan 2009 09:36:43
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: How many online tables to play
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The last time I played multiple cash games online at Stars I flopped
three sets in less than an hour. I lost all three hands to higher sets
and never played cash games again.
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